/twg/ - Total War General

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>>167369223
I'm going to post it in a reply to keep it out of the OP because some people skim right over it, but Total Warhammer is $12 for the next 29 days, if you've been waiting for a big sale to buy it.

https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly

REMEMBER, NO FUCKING BOII IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

Niggers

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My enemies are many, my equals are none

In the shade of living trees they said Athel Loren could never be conquered

In the land of vampires and necromancers, they said Sylvania could never be humbled

In the realm of chaos and snow, they said Norsca could never be tamed

Now they say nothing, they fear me, like a force of nature, a dealer in thunder and death

I say, I am Franz! I am Prince and Emperor!

>>167369626
t.White man

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so this is the power of the shogun... military ruler of all japan....

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Xth for feet.

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*tips sallet*

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Rejoice! For a Knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

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> tfw you bought the game and Beastie Boys on sale through GMG before they even release
> still get the Chaos Warriors for free even though they're shit
> pre-order the Wood Elves and lords packs so I get a discount on those even though they're worth their asking prices
> good consumerism (read: good goyism) has contributed to CA being allowed to add more content into the other two major installments
> get all of this by sparing a few Arby's lunches
Absolutely sublime.

>Wood Elves don't have black eyeballs
>Wood Elves don't have pale skin
>Wood Elves don't have Irish accents

Unforgivable.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

Rank the total war titles in order.

Attila
Shogun 2
Warhammer
Rome 1
Med 2
Napoon
Rome 2
Empire

>>167371665
>no shogun 1 and medieval 1

>>167369385
>REMEMBER, NO FUCKING BOII IN THIS FUCKING THREAD.

This.

I WANT TO FIGHT SOME GERMANS YOU GALLIC FUCKS. STOP KILLING THEM OFF.

>>167371665
I only play warhams, nerd

Why are the buildings in Charlemagne so fucked

>>167371768
They dont hold up so they are both last :)

>>167371812
If you want to fight Germans, just play Attila.

just started a greenskin campaign, brand new to this game
I accidentally razed Iron Rock instead of occupying it as requested by a mission, what do?

>>167371936
I do that. It's just more fun to play as rome in rome 2 I guess.

>>167371665
Attila
Shogun 2
M2TW
RTW
R2TW
Napoleon
Empire

>>167371970
Colonize it with a smaller army. It wall take half the "men" of each unit in your army. Don't use your big army because you need to show strenght. AI is more likely to declare war on you if your one big army is full of really wounded units in the early game.

>>167370580
>Yari samurai
Why does the AI love them so much? They're trash.

Tilea DLC when?
Estalia DLC when?
Kislev DLC when?
Border Princes DLC when?
Araby DLC when?
Fimir DLC when?
Half-Orc DLC when?
Gnome DLC when?

>>167372560
None of those things have an army book, and what the fuck are half-orc or gnomes in Warhammer.

>>167372808
>doesn't know first edition lore

Embarrassing.

>>167372882
Half orcs are not a thing.

>>167372882
That was when Warhammer was awful. And horribly cheesy.

>>167372882
1st edition is basically dungeons and dragons, the setting is not really the same.

>>167372997
Use Google before you post.

>>167373221
>doesn't want Pygmy DLC

>>167373393
I dont even think they have models.

>>167373712
Google harder. They did.

>>167373782
prove it

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>>167373858
Apologize.

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>>167373525

>>167374084
No.

Glad that shit was retconned looks like crap :)

>>167374341
>you will never see them charge into battle in glorious HD ultra graphics mode

>>167374487
You'll grow out of it.

>>167374341
>Dindu Tribesmen
>Dindu

Oh my god.

>its an "ikko ikki blob up and survive until realm divide so your conquest of japan is slowed down while you try to purge their peasant cults from the land" campaign

>>167369223
>no (TRUE) (ROMAN) (BREAD) in the (embed)s
Disappointed in you anon.

>>167375353
No, it's an you're Otomo chilling on your island while building up the armies when the Date from the other end of the world come out of the fog of war, declare war and drop an army 3 turns of movement behind you.

>>167375984
It's a your military ally declares war on you and moves into your territory the moment you move out of your province episode.

Seriously fuck shogun 2 ai they go out their way to fuck you, thankfully the ai hate is so bad at combat that you can literally just stand in a line and kill each unit 1 by 1 with archers.

since there is no torrent for total war warhammer is it worth to buy the game plus all dlcs?

>>167376325
Do you like total war and warhammer?

If so buy the game, if not do not buy the game.

Its up there as one of the best total war titles, combat is best it's been but campaign map is not as good as Attila or shogun.

>>167376325
its currently 12 dollars, see first post under op

I bought 2 copies as gifts last week for 50 each goddamit

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AMBER SPEAR
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>>167376471
I like the total war series but I find it kind of hard, maybe because I didn't try hard. About warhammer, a friend told me a bit of the story and I find it pretty cool.

>>167376571
ebin

>>167377332
all the shits going to be in your campaign anyway anon regardless if you buy it or not, you just can't ' use' the dlc shit unless you get it.

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>attacking a castle manned by gold accuracy bow monks

wew lad

>>167377332
>R$

what country is this ?

>>167378718
Think it is the Brazilian Real symbol.

>>167378718
South Africa I'd guess.

>>167378718
R$ is the Brazilian real.

>>167375156
>not seeing the blatant shoop
Son, you need glasses.

post goblins

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>>167378592
> taking a fortress with my musket and bomb and mangonel-based army just as their main army arrives from across their territory

WE IZ _____ _____ ______!

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Literally the only good thing about the Chaos campaign is getting to play as Kholek. Everything else is easily the worst out of all the factions. If they're not going to fix it, they should have just stuck to their idea of making them unplayable.

>>167377332
No need to get all the DLC, just get what's interesting for you, everything you don't buy will be on the campaign anyways.

>>167380191
TOMBKANGZ AND SHEIT

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>>167380023

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>>167380192

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added more spook to the map

can you stack the woodelf movement range temples from their major settlements?

>>167380671
>git gud
>at the easiest campaign in the game

??

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well this dlc is odd

>>167381073
That isn't VampCounts.

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What do now?

>>167381514
secure the isles

Daily reminder that the yellow trees are completely useless and should never be invested in at the beginning
>Magic tree>red tree>blue tree>yellow tree

>>167381514
Conquer your neighbours and form the Kingdom of England. Then to war with charlie.

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>secures the sword of a goddess at a young age after his first battle
>leads his men personally in battle, inspiring them to great feats
>exemplary honor
>is so successful in his campaigns that the shogun himself sets all of japan against him, despite the shimazu and ikko ikki being larger clans
>continues to btfo his enemies despite the realm divide
>together with his brother and heir, sweeps across japan in a whirlwind campaign, crushing all those who stand before him
>kills the old shogun in battle, becomes the new shogun
>brings the entirety of japan under his rule

What a beast

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If our daimyo is to become shogun, military ruler of all Yamato

Hey

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>>167380023

>>167383254
>nippon never

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>"isolationist" treefuckers are a greater threat to the world than chaos incarnate

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>still no good mod that changes the Empire units not to be so faggoty

>>167369223
>>167369385
is TW:Warhammer worth $12 though?

>>167384254
There's already a no floppy hat mod, though.

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>>167384452
yes

Why are Giants so retarded?

>>167384873
Generations of sodomisation by ogres does that to you.

>>167384873
They used to be a high society but the ogres fucked them up and scattered them to the winds. With so few of them left, they descended to inbreeding and became retarded after generations.

Are there any good mods for attila for the vanilla campaign? Just need something to do while waiting for AE.

Already tried radious. It was too easy.

>>167385290
there's europa perdita

>>167384724
it seems like everyone hates the way DLC is being handled though
and with mixed reviews on steam, it's all very disconcerting

>>167385542
the dlc plan is like every total war since empire/napoopan(so jewey as fuck ofc) all dlc shit even if you don't buy it will be in your grand campaign, so only buy what you want to use.

the only mandatory really is blood and gore.

I'd honestly say the steam reviews are from salty faggots, best total war, even if like every game it takes 6 steps forward in a few areas, and 5 back in others.

>>167385542
Most of the mixed reviews come from chaos, something that's considered pretty fucking important for a warhammer game, being preorder content
Its all jewish as fuck but most of it at least feels pretty worthwhile. They're still pumping out the occasional free DLC and Bretonnia's getting a free release soon so that can help you out if you're not willing to pay any more

>>167385350
How is it? Do I need to pair it with FotE?

>>167385996
>How is it?

I have no idea, honestly. I'm doing a campaign with it right now, but I they don't even have a proper changelog so I can't tell the differences with factions I haven't played.

>Do I need to pair it with FotE?
I am, but I'm pretty sure it causes garrison fuckery. EP doesn't change the units at all, I believe.

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>>167385996
I play it with EP and FoTE, because they're now built to be played together since EP's last patch. They work pretty seamlessly together, basically DEI lite for Attila.
The only thing I'd recommend is that you get the English names patch for them both, because theres only so much latin names I can take before things start to meld together.

>>167385815
>>167385914
thanks for your thoughts kind anons. this would be the first total war game for me and i was really only considering it because it is based off of warhammer.

>>167386305
IMPERIVM ROMANVM PARS OCCIDENTIS

Does anyone have a Grombrindal code I can have?

>>167386551
Grombrindal is free now anon :)

>>167386315
>fags like this now comprise the total war fanbase

fuck off to /tg/ please

>>167386747
waaah the man on the internet doesn't spin as much memes as I do waaaaaaaa.

>>167386747
Kill yourself

>>167386747
fuck off cunt

>>167386747
no u.

>>167386747
You are one of the many reasons the Total War series is dying
Fuck off
>>167386315
>https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly
Make sure you get a good deal on TW:W friend, you gotta save that dosh for the DLC

Should I get the last roman?

>>167386813
>>167386816
>>167386975
>>167387235
>>167387628
>167387628

> all these fantasy fags

fuck off

>>167387927
no, you fuck off

>>167387628
i guess i should have said i was considering it because it was based off of warhammer and it is very cheap with the monthly bundle, but thank you anyway

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I tried to vassalize EVERYTHING in my Shogun2 campaign.

*takes seat of Shogun*

EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE!

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>>167387927
>Fantasy fags
Im a history major and have almost 1300 hours in TW:R2 with DEI purely because it scratches my autistic Roman itch.
This doesnt mean I shit on people new to the series nor badmouth a game purely for its setting

>>167387927
Kill yourself

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How come the spears units in TW Warhams have such fucking short spears?

I need those juicy 12 foot tall spears in my battles.

>>167388448
Them's pikes, not spears.

>>167388554

well, where are the pikes my dude?

does Warhammer fantasy not have them, lol?

>>167388448
>doesn't know the difference between pikes and spears

typical fantasyfag

>>167388597
Estalia uses them... too bad they might not have Southern Realms DLC. I could dig it.

But yeah, a certain Total Warhams modder makes pikemen amongst other units... but, we're aware of who he is. So, you can have pikemen, but you can also have Plate Armor Norscan Bowmen for the Wood Elves roster.

>>167384254

What's wrong with them?

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>>167388905
Stupid-looking hats.

>>167389025
You are scum

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>>167389025

Last warning bud

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>>167389025

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Historyfags requested,

1. Is there any point in history (non-modern) that Japan, China, and Korea fought and contested each other at the same time? What time period, if so?

2. Would you dig a Total War: Asia centered around these 3 countries?

>>167389329
the imjin war

japan under toyotomi hideyoshi invaded korea, and was defeated by them and ming troops

there's a S2 mod for it, if you care

>>167389329
yes.
Gooks got btfo by the nips and then the chinks won.
No,

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Redpill me on Karl Franz lads.

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>>167389329
Because Japan is made relevant in your question, the Imjin War comes to mind where Toyotomi Hideyoshi tried invading Korea and making an empire shooting out from Japan. It went pretty poorly because the Koreans were pretty neato at naval combat and China finally got their shit together.

Japan aside, The "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" comes to mind, but that would be hard to depict considering the written accounts are more poetry than fact.

Aside from that, there were several warring states periods within China, so many that China has a proverb about it called "The Mandate of Heaven."

I would kinda dig it, but there would be simply more than just those 3. There'd be ALOT of nomadic tribes to the North to contend with, Jurchens, Xiongnu, Mongols. Then, of course smaller states in Indonesia, Indochina, and the Indian dynasties or kingdoms.

>>167389645
He's gonna make the Empire great again.

Why is everyone so butthurt about Radious Units? Everything looks like something that could exist in the setting, and nothing is lorebreaking besides Brettonia, Wood Elves and the Dwarf Berserkers (who aren't slayers). While I disagree with having every faction viable for any role, lorewise it seems better than "Zombie Scytheman of Nagash", "Abhorash, leader of Sylvania", "Chaos Wood Elfs", and "High Elves Conversion".

>>167389329

Shogun 2

So... latest news on Ancient Empires? Is it still slated for NEVER EVER? I've pretty much given up on it.

>>167390612
March, according to the dev that posts here

I wouldn't bet on it though

>>167390612
it'll be finished,right after Star Citizen

>>167390106
I've got no strong feelings on his units, but his campaign changes are god awful.

>>167390683
Funny how it's always just a month or two around the corner, isn't it?

>play ikko ikki
>everyone declares war on me and I get crushed
well

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tfw dealing with six star agent spam in late game FotS and losing half of my family in a single turn

>>167391497
senpai that's your fault for not powerleveling your agents from turn 1

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>>167391571
I have two six star ninjas and three five star foreign veterans but it's simply not enough when the ai spams them all day long. On top of that I went republic so no Ishin Shishi.
In one turn Obama jumped me with three six star ninjas and four six star Ishin Shishis. I lost my Daimyo and heir, both of whom had about +40% against assassination from their skills and retainers as well as two other generals.

>>167391817
You're truly in hell then, say goodbye to generals and agents forever and just make an economy that can drown the islands in line infantry doomstacks.

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>you will never live here

comfy as fuck

>>167392052
Nice art.

>>167391991
I've just abandoned the campaign. I already had ludicrous economy and the game was dragging on as each province I took required defeating three levy stacks and two regular ones.
This was the last fuck you that broke the camel's back.

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we postin art now?
starting a WRE campaign with FotE/EP

Just bought the game guys. I heard that the DLCs are a must, what is the best one? I won't buy all of them buy maybe one or two

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>>167392305
God damn the sorting everything out in the first turn is such a hassle

>>167392774
Talking about warhammer tho

>>167392774
IMO Grave and the Grim is one of the better DLCs since some of its features are a bit more ubiquitous. I'm mostly speaking about Regiments of Renown.

>>167392774
Blood for the blood god
All of the dlc content(except campaigns) is in the game for you to play agaisn't btw,just not use

>>167392774
King and the Warlord is the only good DLC pack released so far.

When you're playing a 3v3 multiplayer map and the asshats send every general at yours and wipe you out. I love getting focused.

I NEED HIGH ELVES
I NEED THEM NOW

>>167388780
Aren't pikemen in Cataph's Southern Realms mod?

>>167393713
They are, but they kinda look like big-ass halberds.

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NORSE

WAR

CLERICS

HOLY

FUCKJHKNGIN

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Rise and shine,it's town defense time

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i miss the intern screaming about battle results

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>>167393402
common little graphical hiccup.

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I am finding this just a tad intuitive, the camera controls really piss me off.
Anyway trying to recreate "The Pillars of Grungi" any tips for a retard?

>>167395520
*unintuitive

>>167395351
I miss a lot of things
What mod is this

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>>167395632
FotE

>>167395520
Thankfully, they said on the announcement stream that they are streamlining the camera controls to function just like they do in the game.

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>>167393458
Same

Fag elves means I can kill them with edgy elves

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why is warhammer so half-assed? Since its a fantasy game it had a potential for some crazy shit, like battle maps that significantly affect how you fight on them, or different regions of the map having different conditions, but it has none of that

it doesn't even have seasons, or night battles, the latter could be used to further differentiate the races, the humans and dwarves would use lanterns and shit, while the VC wouldn't care about it being dark at all, they are fucking skellies, they could have had weird landscapes in Norsca to show the chaos corruption, but instead all they have is an ugly as fuck red filter, Athel Loren could have had maps with crazy ass random aggro trees, but WELVES literally just have 1 (ONE) settlement defense map. In fact lets talk about settlement defense, they had a chance to make this something unique and they went for field battles for small settlements, and one wall for large settlements

Warhammer is not a bad game, I've played it for 200 hours before I got bored of it, but I can't help but notice all the missed potential, when even historic titles have more variety in maps than fantasy, you know something is amiss

>>167396951

This makes me wonder if they will do anything unique with Ulthuan when it eventually gets released.

Will they have the Griffon Gates dotted around Ulthuan to make choke points for the DE/other invading force to get through?

Will the obelisks dotted around the island need to be protected otherwise daemons will invade if they are broken?

I really hope they improve on what they've done so far and keep adding new elements, because the game sorely needs new interesting mechanics outside of "Underway" and "WAAAGH" stack bullshit to keep factions interesting.

So I've basically consolidated the empire but my public order is out of fucking control. How the fuck do I manage this shit. Rebellions every turn. Is there a way to actually defeat chaos?

>>167397845
build temples

>>167397845
Taverns are your friend

The assembly kit only works for Windows 10, right?

>>167397845

Use Empire Captains

>>167392774
King and the Warlord is hands down the best so far.

Grave and the Grim is next but doesn't do as much and only really applies if you really want to play Empire/Vamps

Blood for the blood god while still a shitty tactic on CA's part, does change the feeling of the game in what I think is a important way. BUT that does depend on how much you'd be bothered by seeing guys getting smacked by a giant or cannon ball and not getting cut ni half.

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>>167396951
>why is warhammer so half-assed?
Because it takes a colossal amount of effort/dosh to do QUALITY but even if you do it, it won't increase sales much. Total Warhammer is already selling as crazy.

>>167396398
but anon edgy elves *are* fag elves

>>167398810
This is why TTRPGs >>> Video Games

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>>167398897
All elves are fags, this is implied

edgy elves is to differentiate the ones that are less faggy

>>167395351
>tfw the days will never be ours again

>>167396951
I think a lot of it is because it's not their IP so they're unsure how to roll with it. Plus I don't think they knew how well it would do, I mean especially after the backlash from Rome II and with the 'eh' sales of Attila. Feels like they wanted to play it safe just in case this was a flop. I'm just hoping that with the money Warhammer has made they're going to put back in a lot of those features you mentioned. If they can bring the map types and overall features/gameplay up to Attila's level then I'd be super happy with Warhammer.

And yeah the whole thing with the maps feels weird? Like look at what the community has created so far and all CA can do is hilly fields with the same tools? I'd really love to find out why that is.

>>167398810
>Because it takes a colossal amount of effort/dosh to do QUALITY but even if you do it, it won't increase sales much

Fucking Sega

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>>167399363
I'd love some Chaos-touched lands with crazy effects
>inverts stats
>cavalry moves like glaciers, infantry gotta go fast
>health swaps
>timey-wimey bullshit where you/they get units from a different timeframe so your veterans either get sent in as green recruits or your levy spears turn into max XP, blinged out elite troops from the future.

>>167399315
pretty sure edge elves are the least less faggy ones, if fagness is a problem for you

>>167399594
>The
>The
>The>The
>The
>The>The>The
>The>The>The>The>The>The>The>The
I don't like it

>start up empire campaign
>see enemy army with free pistol korps
>delete game
yeah nah can't be bothered dealing with this shit

>>167399594
this is the kinda thing I was talking about when I said missed potential, now I don't know much about warhammer, but say DoW2 handled chaos corruption in a much more interesting way, where it was pretty much a choice whether you allow some corruption in exchange for cool gear and campaign effects or go full pure

what if the traits like the "likes chaos" one actually did something interesting? they would all generate chaos corruption, but also get bonuses depending on what chaos god the character gravitates to, so if its Khorne than the character gets a lot to melee damage and attack, Tzeencth gives something like higher miscast but also higher spell damage etc

chaos corruption should have been something more than just a red tint and public order malus

>>167399363
>all CA can do is hilly fields with the same tools? I'd really love to find out why that is.

Chatting with the guy who did a mousillon themed map as a river crossing earlier after trying it out.
I think they may have skimped on the AI, and all the simple maps allow to enable this beyond-usually gimped AI.

>>167400592
That would make sense, the AI can't have issues if there's nothing there to screw with it.

Honestly it's a shame and I hope they'll push past it, I'd rather have interesting maps the AI can bug out on than 50 different flat plains.

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Am I the only one here who unironically enjoys the fuck out of Rome 2?

I at least use the DEI mod which makes it much more tolerable and encourage you all to try it with this mod especially now especially that the newer version improved upon a lot of the broken shit.

I have such a fucking boner for antiquity. i got 1300 hours into R2 as rome and carthage alone and still enjoy the fuck out of it

personally the warhammer shit seems more underwhelming to me than shogun 2 was but thats because i'm not a fucking subhuman weeb

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3rd time these stupid cunts have come in with a similar army to this and its gonna be the 3rd time i make a spearman carpet and the 3rd time they won't make peace. I'm gonna fucking exterminate them after this turn

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>>167400935

im probably a piece of shit anyways thojough because i honestly think overhand phalanxes should have been included in the game

it bothers the shit out of me that they didnt include such a simple series of animation to make the game more authentic

fuck man i just wanna listen to history podcasts and audiobooks about the ancient world and NOT HAVE MY IMMERSION RUINED BECAUSE THEY HOLD THEIR SPEARS ENTIRELY WRONG FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuu

>>167400487
Honestly stuff like this would be spot on. Chaos corruption tends to start more as a mental thing that letter develops into a physical one as you fall deeper and deeper into the well.

So yeah I'd love to see something like if that trait popped up over time/triggers it can get more dedicated into a path. so one the one had you're getting absurd buffs that only seem to get better and better at the cost of spreading some Chaos corruption. Until next thing you know you're general has gone off either with the army or done something like spawn a stack of chaos spawn.

Overall I'd love to see them play with the themes more. Having all Gobblin/spider armies coming out of forests, having hoards of chaos beasts coming down for the wastes, having chaos cultist rebellions that use mixed chaos roster and local roster units, rouge necromancers using low tier zombie shit stacks, Ghoul kings leading armies of Ghouls.

Like there is a ton they can do especially if they're tied into random events

>>167400935
>no horrendous LoD1

what sorcery is this?

>>167400935
>but thats because i'm not a fucking subhuman weeb
>Warhammer
>weeb
What

>>167401363

Just look at his second post. Clearly an autistic retard.

>>167396951
Its a barebones game

Why do I love Skarsnik so much?

>>167401548

Because your a fagt

>>167400935
Rome is the best setting for sure.
But the game is too slow and spaghetti lines come close to ruining the game for me.

Shogun 2 and Attila are both vastly superior historical titles. Warhammer is decent as well.

>>167396951
You can speculate as much as you want but there's no real indication of what kind of resources CA had going into the game. Or, how much it would cost to put all the random stuff in that people come up with.

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>>167399325
>tfw rome will never be amazed at such a victory

>>167392778
fuck i wish i was part of a warband, roaming the countryside for silver and sharing some great banter by the hearth

>>167401835

>tfw the day will never be ooooooouuuurrrrrs

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>tfw to smart to not get stuck between pikes

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>rtw
>everyone is dressed in bright and glorious clothing/armour
>rtw2
>everyone is dressed in shitty brown clothing

>>167402398
Pikemen are broken as shit in defense, there's basically nothing you can do when they're sitting on a chokepoint backed up by archers

>>167402398
>not putting your pikes behind regular infantry

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>>167380023
Needs more agents

>>167402483
as long as you simply walk into them instead of charging most heavy melee units will actually fuck pikemen up, its just that the AI is too dumb and always gives a charge order

>>167402624
Yeah but if you walk to them you're liable to get fucked up by the arrows and the triple pike attack
Pikemen have armor piercing damage on par with axemen.

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These gits have never once gone peacefully, I'm kinda surprised to be honest.

>>167402571

G O N N A S T A B
O O A A
N N T T
N N S S
A A A A
S S N N
T T N N
A A O O
B A T S A N N O G

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>>167402989
>B A T S A N N O G

What did he mean by this?

>>167402675
well yeah archers are a problem, but in most cases big shield units should be able to reach and fuck up pikes, even some mid tier units like protectores domestici will beat the shit out of most pike units

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Did anyone solve the mystery of the poison that the slavic units use? Was it alcohol?

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>>167369861

Would be better if it ended with:
>I say, I am Karl Franz! I am emperor!
desu

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why does one unit always manage to slip away

Not a native to this thread. Just dropping buy to ask if Rome 2 is any decent these days.

I heard it had a bungled launch, and I'd rather buy it instead of Attila if I can because I'm really a diehard classiboo. Sorry if this is asked all the time.

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>>167403378
It's ok. Get it on sale.

>>167403378

It's much better now but the faction variety is kind of shit and the barbarians are really fucking shit.

>>167403378
Yeah,especially with mods
Attila is better and there's an antiquity overhaul mod coming in a few months.
Get em on sale or pirate them

>>167403268
>King Desiderius, I'm HRE
>uh, you don't get to brink dukes
>they are not my dukes

>if I take Ravenna will you die?
>it would be extremely painful
>you're a big kingdom
>for you

reminder that Bane posting is acceptable in /twg/ because CA has referenced it in Attila

>>167403234
No way man, if that's the case then their archers would just squat and drink that shit while dancing around COME SIT SHARE MY FIRE

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>>167403487
reminder that animeposting is acceptable in /twg because CA has referenced it in Attila

Are there any mods for warhammer that make it so the AI has realistic recruitment of veteran units? I'm sick of running into vampire doomstacks of fully vetted units out of fucking nowhere.

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>>167403858
Reminder that no matter what references CA puts in, we're never getting back speeches. Not even in Total Warhammer which is an untapped ocean of potential.

>>167403909

>Wanting the game to be even easier

>>167403909
thats just vlads bs ability

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>>167403858
sure man,we're all bros for life here

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>>167403942
I just wanna have fun desu.

>>167403940
Man, there's been some real cheesy speeches in older games.
Also, speeches are still present in Attila, just not as separate cutscenes, you generals start theirs as soon as you finish deployment.

And there's speeches in Wamhams, in quest battles. There should def be more though.

Is it ever worth taking carn wraiths over greatsword grave guard?

redpill me on the high elves /twg/

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There are so many things that Attila just failed to implement
Integrity makes no sense
Hunnic spawning is the worst kind of artificial difficulty
Killing enemy faction leaders has no real effect
>tributary states
costs of religious building for the Roman empires
Barbaric uselessness against Huns on a open field battle
And many moreee

>>167404971
Both climate and politics could be done better to be honest. Politics is only something you have to deal with at the start really.

>Research Boar Breeding as Wurrzag
>It doesn't fucking apply to Savage Orcs

Could this faction be any worse when half the tech tree probably doesn't even work with Savage Orcs?

>>167405075
What are some of the problems you have encountered? I never seemed to have a problem. Are we talking about the family tree made out of bastard children?

>>167404971
>Barbaric uselessness against Huns on a open field battle
Huns are the kingpin faction in Attila, what did you expect? It's like Romans in Rome and Rome 2.

>>167405225
The problems is that it's not really that fun. You basically only have to deal with it at the start and then it's not really engaging. It could have been done better. It shouldn't take away time you could use on battles if it doesn't offer fun.

I don't think it's a huge problem though. Lets just say I prefer Shogun 2 family tree over that one.

>>167404971
>tributary states

Don't get me started on this fucking dumb garbage.

>be <faction fighting sassanids>
>sassanids down to 1 town in a -53 fertility region
>has 4 20 unit armies around it
>all mercenary onagers
>each cost 1k gpt
>how the fuck does it fund that?
>oh yeah, from the countless tributary states it failed/fails to protect who for some reason are too stupid to realize they aren't getting protected and are paying for fucking nothing

I fucking hate fighting the sassaniggers.

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>>167405416
Oh trust me anon, it's not the tributary states that make this so ridiculous. It's basic income. A faction with nothing but 2 poor settlements can still maintain picture related.

>>167405491
It's more because the AI has no concept of paying for upkeep

>>167405491
Those rebel states gets more help than other factions.

>>167405491
western roman seperatists have a hidden factionwide -50% to land unit income iirc

http://www.honga.net/totalwar/attila/faction.php?l=en&v=attila&f=att_fact_separatist_western_roman&i=

>>167404971
>Barbaric uselessness against Huns on a open field battle
shitter detected, most barbars rape huns in an open field

>>167403234
You wish.
Slavs were untermensch since they squatted out of the ocean.

They immersed arrowheads in shit

>>167404971
>Integrity makes no sense
it doesn't work well in the game, but it constantly going down does make sense historically, the ERE had noted that the barbars were extremely impatient, and that if you sufficiently delayed the battle with them through maneuvering and small skirmishers they were very likely to just pack up and leave, standing armies weren't really a thing for most factions in Attila
>Hunnic spawning is the worst kind of artificial difficulty
eh, its how mongols are handled in these kind of games
>Killing enemy faction leaders has no real effect
in which tw game is this any different, in fact its a bit more impactful in Attila than in earlier titles, because of the trait system, I have killed kings of my tributaries in the past for having traits like rebellious
>costs of religious building for the Roman empires
its not just the Roman empires, all christian churches have gold upkeep for all factions, in late game its actually an advantage
>Barbaric uselessness against Huns on a open field battle
get good, the only ones that can struggle against huns are vikangz, all other barbars have far better units than huns and can wipe the floor with them

>just finished fots/vanilla shogun 2 campaigns
>before that had finished sfo wh campaigns
>before that had done some dei campaigns
>before that finished some divine triumph attila campaigns

wat do now lads? by this point I'd figured that Brettonia would be out

>>167406245
play some other game, like mountain blade or ck2

I honestly hope the rest of you die if it means more news

>>167406245
Just play some AE
as soon as it's released haha
which is actually never ever haha

>>167406187
>in which tw game is this any different
Rome

>>167404608
If you somehow don't have anything else that causes terror, yeah.

So, is it possible to finish any TW game on its hardest difficulty using only autoresolve?

>>167406425
yes. sometimes its easier than fighting manual.
Works in Attila, Warham and Rome 2. Not in med 2 and earlier games.
No idea in Empire, Napoopan or Shogun 2

>>167405949
Anon a good player can rape most any faction using almost any other faction, that's not really an argument

>>167406425
Yeah you can abuse the fuck out of autoresolve.
In some fringe cases it might be easier than manual.

>>167406346
Good point to
>>167406187
If you kill the faction leader and his successor in rapid speed the faction gets destroyed. Happened to the HRE in my campaign once.

>>167406539
nah, barbar units are just straight up better, noble germanic cavalry will beat any hun cavalry, super long range archers will fuck up devil archers, then your cav rear charges the hun infantry and the day is yours

>>167406615
I mean anon you could argue the same for even vikings
axemen / raiders are really fucking fun to use

>>167406245
Time to play the Marathas in ETW

>>167406567
>If you kill the faction leader and his successor in rapid speed the faction gets destroyed.
oh yeah, forgot about that

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Ah shit, this can't be good.

>>167406567
>If you kill the faction leader and his successor in rapid speed the faction gets destroyed
To be fair, I think they removed that because of how powerful agents have been since Shogun 2. Also, the AI had a tendency to put 3 or 4 generals in one army, and that has only been 'fixed' because of the army system in Rome 2 onward.

>>167406847
All as it should be.

So are Woodelfs another one of these faction that produce a bunch of trade goods but aren't allowed to trade with anybody except for the other Elfs who inevitably end up being confederated?

>>167406685
>implying I own or plan on owning ETW

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>>167407427

>>167407281
both elfs and argwylon have council positions that allow trade with non-welf factions

With the humble bundle offer they actually BTFO any other historic title aren't they?

>>167407460
can't blame him for that. Not a lot of people do

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>>167407701
It's such a good game though. Criminally underrated here.

>>167407774
>underrated

How? Its a buggy mess

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>>167407774
???

>>167407885
There's huge scope, three land theatres and all the trade routes. Naval combat, I enjoy the mix of gunpowder and melee a lot. Can still trade regions and technology. Agent spam isn't debilitating.
And it's pretty much fixed now. I ran through a couple of campaigns last year without any noticeable bugs.

Everyone just complains about France and Spain being 1 region (which is really dumb) and bugs that appear to have been fixed.

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>Speak your speech, so that I may go to the baths and wash away today's stench.

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thinking of getting Warhammer in that bundle lads

talk me out of it

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Back to Axe school with you

Downloading Warhammer now, apparently the AI forced march/city sacking is still annoying as shit to deal with? Hated it in Attila.
Do you guys use any mods to change it?

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>>167408767

I use this

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=719772633&searchtext=Forced+march

>>167408554
Do it faggot. The game even without dlc is far worth more than 12 bucks.

>>167374341
That paint copypaste "dindu" completely destroys the humor imo.

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I love to ruin

>>167408846
Thanks.

So which should I buy: Chaos, Wood elves of Beatmen?

>>167409272
Beatmen

>>167408554

>talk me out of it

Why?

It's good

>>167409272

Wood Elves

>>167409272
In my opinion
Beastmemes > Wool Elks > Anarchics

>>167409272
Wood Elves > Chaos > Beastmen

But go for whichever faction looks best for you
>Wood Elves: Traditional treehugger elves + treemen
>Beastmen: Gorilla warfare angry goatmen + minotaurs
>Chaos Warriors: edgy 90's ironclad vikings + some monsters

Wood Elves and Beastmen have their price doubled because of some horrid, bundled minicampaigns

>>167409272
Beastmen have the most fun campaign but the worst roster.
Welves have an okay roster and an okay campaign.
Chaos have an okay roster and a bad campaign.

>>167409483
>>167409417
>>167409385
>>167409310
thanks, I think I'll go with the Beat the Meat Men, still is there a site to see in detail every unit's model for the new factions? Can't find anything good for the elves

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So it seems CA updated their free DLC graphic. Pic related,

That free DLC won't last till first expansion considering we know its been delayed longer for the extra faction to be made(from 3 to 4) so I suspect we may get a couple minor paid DLC's to tide us over.

>>167409483

>Chaos > Beastmen

u fukken wot

Chaos has a pretty fun roster but their campaign is just absolutely miserable.

>>167409905
Pretty sure that 'update' is like a month old.

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>>167410027
Nope. Pic related is from the last update to that timeline.
They changed the numbers,images and "unlocked" the WD image. Its funny how much its changed with additions and extensions to the schedule that weren't planned but done anyway due to the success of the game and it's DLC's.

Bretonnia tease next week with release on 24th February.

>General on anything other than horseback

Shiggydiggy

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>>167409905

>>167410168
Oh yeah? And what if I dismount him?
#btfo

>>167409956
They are half the cost, they offer more for the price imo

I may biased because I reached a new level of boredom from the minicampaign

>>167409804
don't think there's any place with ingame pics of the units, your best bet may be youtube gameplays

>>167410143
Could've sworn there was one inbetween with only shortbrindal unchecked.

>>167410372
Yeah the minicampaign and the cost increase it justifies is straight up criminal.

Beastmen's campaign tools in general are pretty cool though. Aggressive ambush and stealth camp are great fun. And you can actually use multiple armies together.

Warriors of Chaos is 50-100 turns of monotonous boring growth up north where you have to work around CA's poor implantation of Norscan interaction. And while the nearby stack penalty forces your elite armies to fight multiple stacks by themselves, which is cool. It makes the early game even more bothersome.

>>167409804
Visual model or unit details?
Because the Steam Store pages for each DLC describes the entire roster.

Don't know if it's been tacked on to the Beastmen DLC page, but they were updated to include a squishy but somewhat decent flying flanking unit, and an actually good lord.

who is this faction in attila

http://www.honga.net/totalwar/attila/faction.php?l=en&v=attila&f=att_fact_soissons&i=

>>167409905

>26 more maps

Thank fuck

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literally perfect and correct

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>>167400592
>>167400793

hey that was me anon, to put it in depth you manually mark ai interest points 'defensive hill', then put the approximate directional facing, or circle/line you want them to form across to take advantage of this terrain.


My problem is even with forced manipulation to the extent of tweaking the ai preferred 'deployment line' the ai still clump up between the majority of one crossing, with a minimal/suppport force on one other.

Thinking on this, this is the exact same thing that happens with siege ai, even with multiple armies.. the ai clumps with a paltry show of force on every gate but 1. so clearly the ai is still rather stripped.

>>167410962
It's possible they are the Soissons, but don't quote me on that

They are one of those factions that emerge from rebellions on roman territory

>>167411074
haven't seen a shitty v pic like that in years
and wish I never had again

>>167411074
What the fuck is good about the Vampire fucking campaign? You sit there waiting for your attrition bullshit to spread, your units are mostly dogshit and annoying to use and your faction leader is a literal twg meme.

>>167411105

I gathered that, but I've never seen them. It's in France and all I've ever had the choice of liberating in France are Gual and Septimania.

>>167410690
Visual model. They are hard as fuck to find

If you do a co-op campaign in warhammer do both members need to have the DLC for it to be usable in game, or just the host?

I want to do Chaos and Beastmen but my friend does not have any DLC.

>>167411195
your friend won't be able to play beasties or chaos if he doesn't own the DLC regardless. doesn't work like paradox DLC multiplayer.

>>167411074
Trash taste.

>>167411195
for him to use the dlc, both players anon

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>>167411159

>He doesn't like Vampire Counts

Ayyyy

>>167411269
>>167411285
He has Chaos because pre-order, i forgot it was even DLC.

Can i be Beastmen since i own all the DLC, and he be Chaos.

>>167411385
yes, he can be any race he owns, I'd advise you to start morghur as he's closest to the wastes

>>167411469
Ok thanks, thats great.

>>167408554
cpy might come out with crack?
they wont for a long time too much dlc n shit

>>167408554
I've already talked 4 people into it today

I just subscribed to Radious for Wamhams to have a look at the units. This is seriously what people go crazy for? They were all either boring, OP or massively lore breaking.

>>167410143
still wondering who the fuck the old friend gonna be

>>167412190
SIGMAR

>>167412190

nippon wirr be introduced with the regendary rord "miritary reader of arr nippon"

>siege battles dont leave battle markers in warhammer

Oh cool, it's not like 99% of the fights aren't against turtling AI. CA is a joke, TW sucks.

>>167412190
krell

>>167412180
Really?
Keep up updated with more news.

>>167409804


Shame, beastmen is the worst out of those DLC's.

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>>167409905
>31 new maps
>no mention of adding them to the grand campaign

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>>167411189

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