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Freed Inventory Edition

KH 2.8 Release date Jan 24 2017
KINGDOM HEARTS HD 1.5 + 2.5 REMIX PS4 March 28 2017

KINGDOM HEARTS Unchained χ available on Android, Google play, and IOS

2.8 Trailers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKAR0uRZZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu63R9ml_Es

(KHUX guides) The reason you're here:
http://pastebin.com/jQVKegVw

Kh1.5, Re:Chain,358/2 Days Tips:
http://pastebin.com/tep0iyS4

Union, JP and NA Medal, Material Spreadsheets:http://pastebin.com/h0iYnMJt

Kingdom Hearts 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKo4BgDnlfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW1jcguknXA

Other News
http://www.khinsider.com/news/Expanded-Dengeki-Interview-with-Tetsuya-Nomura-on-KINGDOM-HEARTS-2-8-7963
http://www.khinsider.com/news/View-Colour-Boards-for-the-Cancelled-Kingdom-Hearts-TV-Show-7976
https://twitter.com/kh_ux_na/status/815769588302487552

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first for already peaked in coli
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>Enjoying DDD
>Get to TWTNW
>Without second chance
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2nd for funko
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>>167305017
i hate this
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>>167305017
fukno
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>>167304939
Really? I'm only in Prankster's Paradise/Monstro and I have it.
>167305017
Buying Donald to add to my collection but that's it. Pete looks fully terrible.
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first for no jewels
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>>167304939
That's fine. You just gotta enjoy anal sex.
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I'm new to DDD and im going to be a complete faggot and ask stupid questions.

So just to be clear I only benifit from my nintendogs ability tree when they're in my party, right?
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>>167305017
I want this company to burn
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>>167305536
Status Abilities are tied to Spirits. When you unlock Support or Spirits Abilities, they're yours permanently.

So things like HP Boost and Attack Haste will change based on who's in your party, but not things like Combo Plus or Second Chance.
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>>167305017
not even if they made a sora funko
why the fuck didn't they?
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>>167305881
If you want the main characters, you better buy these ones to show Funko you want more, goy!
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This ones really weird when you look closely
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>>167305665
You mean I don't get to keep these things permanently after I buy the node on its board? The hell am I doing all this for then?
>>167305881
I've heard that it's because SE won't let them do all their donutsteels. Probably so they can make their own figures in the future and not be undercut by 11 dollar pieces of shit.
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>>167306120
huh.
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>>167306287
>The hell am I doing all this for then?
It's to incentivize collecting Spirits for different abilities and switching your party up to better handle different situations.

Pro-tip: you're gonna want Slow Block for the end of the game
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>>167306287
I'd fucking kill to have an actual quality scale. Like, just imagine the pic in the OP made into a 1/8 scale; I'd pay whatever jew price they'd ask for
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Oh the Julius fight.
How I loathed thee until I learned that you stock your entire command deck with Curagas and Balloon spells.
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>>167306379
That's fucking stupid. It shouldn't be this difficult to get points for abilities let alone getting the items to make the little dudes if you don't get to keep them in the long run. Angry/10 what a terrible system when this was supposed to improve on BBS.
What the hell should I be focusing on if I already have second chance then?
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Why did they change Riku's Way to Dawn Keychain?

Here is the old version
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very unkh related but im having a giggle here 'night4real this time i swear
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>>167307086
and heres the one from 2.8

its got the KH Logo swirls on the heart now
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>>167306885
Once More, Leaf Bracer
Anything else is just a bonus, really. EXP Walk is handy

Status Abilities aren't really necessary, and most of them are blocking status conditions.
It's supposed to be a strategic element. Since Spirits kind of suck as actual combatants, it's better to choose them based on what they can do for Sora or Riku.
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>>167306682
Balloon and Mine are so broken
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>>167307238
I've got leaf bracer. Nothing I can currently make can give me once more or EXP Walk as far as I know. I'm trying to get the stuff for a KO Kabuto to get this link block thing he can give but getting the items has been a bust so far. It's really a pain to make these guys and that's sad.
>>167307426
Yes. Balloonra doesn't seem as busted since they kind of spread out but maybe baloonga will be whenever I get someone to give me that.
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>>167307557
All 3 balloon spells are OP.
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>>167307170
Good eye. Guess they just wanted it to stand out more.
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Are there any /khg/ parties in the JP version of Ux or do I have join a random party and be made fun of in moon?
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>>167308129
You could always learn moon
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>>167306287
>I've heard that it's because SE won't let them do all their donutsteels. Probably so they can make their own figures in the future and not be undercut by 11 dollar pieces of shit.
This is stupid. Can't Disney force them to screw off and do whatever with their Donutsteels CONSIDERING DISNEY LEGALLY OWN THEM?!!
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>>167307107
2B?
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>Also, players who manage to unlock the Special Attack Bonus on Illustrated Sora B before Feb. 20, 2017 12:00 a.m. (PT) / 8:00 (UTC) will receive the super powerful KH CoM Sora & Riku Medal with 3 of its Special Attack dots already filled in!
wew lad
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WHAT THE FUCK
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>>167309547
Was that a thing in JP too?
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>>167308731
>implying anyone plays Kingdom Hearts for anything but the donutsteels
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>>167309763
nice slightly stronger 5 gauge meowjesty
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>>167306287
>so they can make their own figures in the future and not be undercut by 11 dollar pieces of shit.
fair enough, funko is awful
but i'm still not buying a $120 doll with a derp face
it'd be nice to one day own square merch though
>tfw you can get a highly detailed super mario figma for $20 at barnes and noble
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>>167307170
probably just wanted to tie the light/dark thing in. before it was just emblem heartless, now it's embless heartless mixed with that thing sora calls light
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>>167309902
Yes, but it was a pair deal with Guilting Riku Illust. B
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>>167309547
>valentine's deal shipping sora with riku this hard
sena confirmed to be run by a 13 year old tumblrette
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>blue copter fleet is level 300 in daily jew quest
ok
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>>167309763
LIGHT!
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>>167310839
If only they'd fucking give us a guaranteed three dots on the medal. I bet they think they're doing us some kind of favor for the CoM medals to have a slim chance of having dots.
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>>167310919
i never got the "girls like gay couples" fetish
is it like they're cucking themselves with someone more feminine the same way a guy would cuck himself with someone more masculine?
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>>167311072
it's the same as when guys like watching two women make out
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>>167311072
Girls are insane. Plus they usually just think it's cute more than something sexual for them. Basically the opposite of a guy imagining two lesbians who then invite him to join in.
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>if a medal is used as evolution material, skills and guilt do not carry over
that makes sense
but does that also mean the same is true for skills/guilt on the base medal?
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Riku-Ansem is the best fight in KH1
Marluxia 1 is the best fight in CoM
Armored Xemnas 2 is the best fight in KH2
Final Xion is the best fight in Days
who gives a fuck about re:coded
Lingering Will vs Terranort is the best fight in BBS
Young Xehanort is the best fight in DDD

come at me bros
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>>167311072
maybe they self-insert into sora
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>>167311143
>4 holes
>1 dick
MFF threesomes don't make much sense either
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>>167309763
Jeez. And I thought pulling two of them in two separate pulls was bad.
>none of them say new
Well, I hope you can guilt two of them.
>>167309929
I play it for the Disney.
>>167310067
Yeah, if SE would put out quality stuff instead of overpriced garbage I'd be willing to pick up some. They need to drop the prices for their fucking plushies too.
>50 units of American legal tender for one plush member of the Bravely Default cast
>there's 4 of them
>D's journal is a tiny blank notebook
>20 dollars
>no other merch exists
I'm still angry.
>>167311059
>I bet they think they're doing us some kind of favor
Nah man. They know retards are gonna pull enough times to get 7 of them instead of enough times to get two, so they're never going to guarantee premiums with dots. Same reason we'll never get brooms.
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>>167311316
but why, when i can just insert my "self" into them?
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>>167311309
>who gives a fuck about re:coded

List invalidated.
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>>167311072
They do it because they see it as less "competition" from other girls. Like one of those boys from One Direction got a one night stand knocked up and they went absolutely BATSHIT. They still deny that the baby is real and maintain that he's in a secret gay relationship with his former bandmate.

Now another member of the band, who they say is in a relationship with another member in the band, got his girlfriend who's 10+ years his senior pregnant, and they went to DEFCON 1. It's baffling.
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Meowjesty or SRM?
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>>167311328
>not liking choice
You've also got a mouth and hands, use them.
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So I have the 3 and 2 dot Meow Wows. It need to be level 100 before I mix them with the DDD Sora and DDD Riku right? Do the Sora and Riku need it be leveled as well or can they stay level 1?
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>>167311309
>who gives a fuck about re:coded
t. Never played the game
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>>167312895
Meowjesty does a bit more damage, and you can usually wipe out trash with AoE before needing to resort to a single enemy attack anyway so you don't really need to worry about Meowjesty's random targeting outside of very rare situations. It's good if you combine it with both on bosses or raid bosses though, those two pretty much managed to get me a two turn on the Darkside.
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>>167312997
No, they're just evolve fuel
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I have a 25% guilt Meow Wow from that event a few months ago.
If I evolve him, will the SRM be guilted? If so, will it reroll the guilt 40-100 or what?
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>>167313343
It won't reroll, you'll just have a 25 guilt SRM
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>>167313382
That's interesting. A 25% tier 3.
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>>167313382
so the guilt and skills carrier over?
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>all those Mickeys and ducks and fairies to get this for my first reroll
Just fuck my shit up.
>>167313159
Why not two meowjesty?
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>>167313647
Not everyone bothered grinding two out, I know I sure didn't. If you have two then more power to you, but if you don't then it's a very viable and helpful medal all the same.
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>need Sora or Riku to reroll guilt
>get nothing but Meow Wows
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>>167313735
I can understand not doing so for most event medals but if people looked at what is basically a single target 8.5x medal and said "Nah I'm okay with one of these" when that event happened then they're crazy. Or had access to alternatives at the time due to whaling but even so that's a silly thing to pass up on.
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>>167313841
I didn't grind more than one max Meowjesty. I didn't have room on my blade for more than one.
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>>167313841
In my case it was being satisfied with just one, not wanting to bother with grinding another one then getting it to 100%, and I think I didn't have any 5* red fairies or Mickeys at the time. I just can't stand some of the grind for the evo materials that just wastes way so quickly so if I can minimize that I do.
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>>167313569
Yes, I did that and it was at 25%
then I rerolled using a 2 dots meowow and got 96%
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>>167314079
wait does the reroll percentage improves if you feed dotted medals?
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>>167314168
No. Nigga just had good luck.
Kek graced him.
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>>167313912
the point isn't needing one per blade, the point is having meowjestys with dif skills, my main two are an ab2lux+ and an ab3 meowjesty, which are really all that's necessary.
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>>167314302
Why the hell would I want multiple meowjestys just to waste skills on them.
I just put ab3max on him and let him go ham.
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>>167314215
oh ok cool

Good to know this 62% I'm staring at wasn't preventable.
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Is it sad the arguably most innocent XIII member was brutally murdered and is never going to return?

All the guy wanted was his heart back.
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>>167314769
>never going to return?
>yfw he's a nort now
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>>167314842
Not gonna happen, he's too weak and probably what Xemnas(?) had on mind when he dismissed the original organization group as too weak or treacherous.

That and Luxord but that guy has no fans.
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>>167314842
if any of the nort's are the MoM it's him
the way he can jump from "oh man, i told them they sent the wrong guy for the job!" to "silence, traitor" in 0 seconds flat seems like how the MoM would act
this is some "drunken fist" rusing im not gonna fall for
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>>167314960
>That and Luxord but that guy has no fans.
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>>167315009
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>>167314960
>but that guy has no fans

fuckin excuse me
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How long is this Asian skin sale going on?
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>>167315407
As long as we can keep catching and skinning them.
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>>167314079
wait
all you need to reroll meow and pals is a 6* meowwow?
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>>167314486
skills are recyclable shitlord.
Also name one readily available power candidate that's better suited for ab3/ab2lux+.
you can't
this is why you don't rank well in lux rankings
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Man I would pay so much fucking money if KH3 had a bossfight with a Nort Luxord in Castle Oblivion while Sora is looking for Ventus.

It's another gimmick boss battle but instead of being shit like Luxord's KH2 boss fight was, the whole thing is designed to be a callback to CoM/Re:CoM mechanics.

And considering Luxord is the card guy in a castle where everything runs on cards, he absolutely will fuck you up until you git gud.
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>>167315794
>this is why you don't rank well in lux rankings

No. The reason I don't rank well in weekly rank is because I don't care
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can you farm higher * medals on the advanced choice?
or does it not matter where you farm from?
cuz farming would go faster if i could 1 hit all these enemies without using a special
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>>167315918
figured
tfw 1bil+ total lux
guess my autism wins me another round on khg
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>>167315791
No, I used a Sora and a Riku too obviously
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>>167316386
Well I'm also bear. Its easy to half ass it and get in top 500 when there's good prizes.
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>>167316440
damnit
this is even more tedious than i thought it'd be
would have farmed ducks like crazy if i know it'd be like this
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Why are these drops ALWAYS FUCKING MEOW WOW.
I'm having to do 5 runs of Legendary just to get 1 riku.
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>>167317458
I wish I had your luck, I've got lots of Soras and Rikus lying around, but no Meow Wows
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Is Goofy's wife dead in KH canon
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>>167317857
Has Goofy's wife ever been shown in any Disney material ever?
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>>167317857
>>167317924
Copypasta from wikipedia's page about Goofy:

>Goofy's (unnamed) wife has appeared—but always with her face unseen—in 1950s-produced cartoon shorts depicting the character as a "family man". Goofy's wife dies later on and Goofy states to his son Max in "Goof Troop," "She's up there with the stars" so his modern day appearances portray Goofy as a widower. While raising his son, Max Goof, Goofy's family life contrasts with other major Disney characters such as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, who are always shown only as uncles rather than parental figures.
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>>167318719
>mickey mouse
>donald duck
>goofy goof
Woah
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If push came to shove and Maleficent annoyed Hades enough, could he easily kill her?

The guy just does what he wants and she doesn't threaten or demand him into her service.

Weird
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>still nothing but unwanted meows dropping when farming for 2 hours straight
this is a fun game
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You know I'm not sure if Luxu is more kind or dickish for not participating in the war.

Sure the Master said he should just watch with the eye, but Luxu knows he'll survive anyway so he could have fought it he wanted to.
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>>167320782
Keyword is "Survive". Still can probably get disfigured or something since his only role is to train a successor and take care of the box, both of which can still be done with a missing eye or limb.
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I was watching the end of Chi and I realized.

Chirithy knows of the bangle and says its purpose is to purify Sin.

However who told him that? It was NChirithy who gave the bangle and he says it's for evil.
It doesn't seem like the Master told either of them since they both speak in hypothetical of his will.
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>>167320990
The Foretellers knew about the bangles as well, Chirithy probably learned about it from them.

But it does seem as though the bangles were initially distributed by a third party.
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>>167320990
Hell watching it again I wonder if PLAYER isn't more special that we first assumed.

Consider this our NChirithy has manged to get so much darkness from us that it has Final Form but we haven't turned into a black monster yet.
Are we to assume that there are countless other NChirithy just as powerful lying around with us not noticing?
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>people complaining about farming these 3D medals
>when they first came out, 3* was the max

now I await my dog shit roll
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>>167310947
Gotta earn that single mirror.
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>>167320990
I'm thinking it was the Master who told them what the bangles were supposedly for, but because he's a tricky bastard neither can say for sure which is the real truth
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>>167311254
The new medal retains whatever the base medal has. If you place some Chips on a 5* then evolve it, the 6* will retain those Chips. The same idea is happening here, but you can think of SR&MW as a pseudo-7*.
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>>167321125
Considering by the end we was tough enough to fight off Four Foretellers, Player really must've been pretty special, though in the end they were too out of the loop to really have an effect on anything, well besides unwittingly shitting darkness on everyone via their NChirithy who was born from disgusting amounts of whaling
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>No way to farm 6*, even as a rare drop
This event is 100% more tedious than it needs to be. I'm not even gonna use this shit, I just want the Nova.
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>>167322309
>Considering by the end we was tough enough to fight off Four Foretellers
Eh, I wouldn't say tough enough. Just driven enough. Because during that fight Player got his ass whooped multiple times, but kept getting back up to the point where the Foretellers were just like 'fuck it'. Except in Ira's case due to Aced's hard on for him.
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So do you think Kairi will continue to wear her white panties with the red bow, or do you think she'll wear a new pair for KH3?
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Do you guys buy gems ever? If not, how do you grind for them after you beat all the story missions?
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>>167323316
Do you mean jewels? If so, you can't grind for them. You get them via daily login, daily jewel quest, story missions and sometimes events.

Gems are for upgrading keyblades past +25. These are sometimes in jewel avatar boards, and HSC/Weekly rewards.
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>>167322883
Maybe the bow will change, but white is a must.
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>>167323421
>Do you mean jewels?
That's what I meant. My bad.
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>>167323470
Maybe a blue bow this time around as homage to Namine.
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>>167322883
>red bow

Hah, never new about that. I always thought the panties talk was just about the light blue shading they gave the underskirt of her model.
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>>167322883
wew lad
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>>167324387
What?
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>>167324470
That's some camera angle skills you got there.
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Is is weird I find KH Kairi a literal semen demon, but KH2 Kairi just mildly attractive and kinda dull?
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>>167324657
Nah that's pretty normal.
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>>167324657
It's the smirk.
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>>167324657
>old kairi
>15
>old
This bothers me more than it should.
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>>167324657
there's an actual term for this, "nostalgic pedophilia"
you don't actually think KH Kairi is attractive, you just jerked off to her a lot when you were a kid
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>>167324657

it's perfectly normal pedophilia
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>>167325739
>there's an actual term for this, "nostalgic pedophilia"
I have the strangest feeling that you're making that up
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>>167325739
>>167325789
>14
>pedo
Americans everyone.
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>>167325739
not that guy, but i think it's just regular pedo crap for me

it's the teasing and the smirks that do it for me i think, her smirks are god tier. there's less of that between these two after they grew up a bit
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>>167324714
>It's the smirk.
Plus her small bossy attitude.
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>>167325945
i mean compare and contrast

she was so cheeky. also she was actually dressed more provocatively, i think
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>>167326198
unf
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>>167326198
>also she was actually dressed more provocatively, i think
Nah, her outfit was perfectly fine for the tropical climate of Destiny Islands. I imagine it's hot there most of the time.
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>>167326351
So why the fuck was Sora wearing a onesie?
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>>167326795
Sora a dumb.
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>>167326684
I love you.
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>>167326684
Just give back my old memories.
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You think we may get certain worlds just for Keyblade transformations? IE

Robin Hood: Bow and arrow
Atlantis: One of those flying stone fish
Treasure Planet: Solar Surfer
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>>167329145
if hopping back into tronland doesn't give sora a flying light cycle as his keyblade rider i'm going to be disappointed
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Personally, I think the only one she really loves is Sora. Roxas seems more like a friend.

For example, watch the scene in KHII when she and Roxas fuse into Sora's and Kairi's bodies.

https://youtu.be/y9oKVamr_uc

If you played CoM, you would realize that she's talking to Sora when she says "See? We meet again. Like we promised."

Then Roxas walks out. She seems somewhat disappointed that Roxas assumed she was talking to him. Though that could just be me reading into it too much, but at the same time is it possible to read too much into a series like KH?

Although I believe she was somewhat talking to both of them, in that moment she seemed to be talking more to Sora.

By the way, I'm a SoKai fan, but you'd have to be blind or retarded to not see that Namine is in love with Sora.

CoM is basically based on her self insert fanfiction where she erases the real heroine with herself. And although Namine was forced to do it initially, it isn't as if she didn't want to experience how it feels to have some brave hero journey through worlds trying to save her.

She did want to be in Kairi's place. She wanted to have the childhood friends turned romance puppy love that Sora and Kairi have, and she will never be able to experience that in an authentic way. If it wasn't her desire to become Sora's new Kairi she would have nothing to apologize for and she wouldn't have felt as guilty as she did. She also wouldn't have seemed so depressed when Sora finally remembers Kairi. That's how I see it anyway.
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>>167329145
>Treasure Planet: Solar Surfer
Please
I need this
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>>167329363

Too bad Tron is now a no-no seeing all the movies have been covered as well as Tron's VA saying he's done with the franchise. And we'll probably never see Tron ever again in a KH game seeing 3 has been apparently canned.

We'll be getting Thrash-It Tommy as the new "digital" world with hopefully a candy car transformation if the hammer isn't from the world.
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>>167329497
>we'll never see based tron again
Feels bad man. However a Crush-It Chris world would be pretty good.
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>>167329447
Forgot to upload the picture.
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>>167329447
>>167329575
Her feelings are most likely just a bi-product of Kairi's feelings for Sora.

Either way, nowadays she can just kick back, relax and masturbate inside Kairi when the two of them are doing it.
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>>167329447
>>167329575
Prio to Day introducing Xion the prevailing theory was that Roxas and Namine had a romance during the time skip, however factoring in what we know of Days Namine really does seem more into Sora than Roxas. Who knows how much of this could be whatever lingering emotions are left in Xion's wake.
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>>167329447
>If you played CoM, you would realize that she's talking to Sora when she says "See? We meet again. Like we promised."
>Then Roxas walks out. She seems somewhat disappointed that Roxas assumed she was talking to him. Though that could just be me reading into it too much, but at the same time is it possible to read too much into a series like KH?
Nigger she and Roxas were having their own separe conversations. She was talking to Sora and He was talking to Xion.
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>>167330624
They're basically a means to an end for one another is what you're saying?
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>>167330624
>He was talking to Xion.
But Xion isn't a part of Kairi.
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>>167330710
Xion personifies Sora's memories of Kairi. After the mentors were restored, she "died". Being inside Sora would keep him close to Xion in that sense.
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>>167330698
No, they were just not talking to each other.

>>167330710
Xion is Kairi as Sora remembers her. In a way he was talking to Xion.
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>>167330976
*memories were restored
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>>167330976
>tfw you realize xion is a walking wet dream
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>>167331007
>not talking to each other
They clearly were. Unless you mean symbolically or something.
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>>167330976
>>167331007
He wouldn't need to walk out of Sora to talk to Xion, she's in the same position he is. Inside Sora.
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Would you a 9 inch aqua?
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>>167331154
Yeah something like that.
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>>167322883
g-string
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>>167331374
It was for our sakes man. But yeah I could argue that Roxas only stops existing after that point, but Xion had vanished much earlier.
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>>167331484
Delete this
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>>167331402
No.

>>167331484
I wish, but they're not. Just regular frilly panties with a red bow.
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>Deals more damage the bigger your party
What kinda bullshit is this
>>167308842
Some female knight that helps you become the Lord of Hollows i forget her name
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>>167331465
Well that's depressing.
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>>167331402
If Alter made one, then absolutely.
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>>167331636
>Some female knight that helps you become the Lord of Hollows i forget her name
Anri of Astora
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>>167331639
Don't worry, they all stop existing after that conversation.
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What do you think Kairi's hair will look like in III?

I want it to either stay long or cut to a shoulder length bob. Going back to the tomboy haircut would be overkill in my opinion.
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>>167326198
>dressed more provocatively
NO
kh2 kairi has latex unzipped ever so slightly at the cleavage and the crotch
that's usually my preference too, so why don't i want to jerk off to kh2 kairi?
maybe she just acts too dull and innocent when she grew up
or maybe i fell for short hair and a choker
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>>167331796
Twintails
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>>167331796
Ponytail ;^)
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>>167331402
I'll never understand SE's obsession with PlayArts, they're pretty much bottom of the barrel as far as articulate figures go and they cost twice as much as they should
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>>167331796
Dont we already have concept art though? She's using a hood if I remember correctly.
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>>167331841
>Twintails
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>>167331937
Yeah but it doesn't reveal what her hair looks like aside from her bangs. But no jrpg character doesn't have bangs.
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>>167331757
Namine comes back on roleplay night whenever Kairi busts out the white dress and blonde wig
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>>167332029
I'd rather she go back to kh hair then to be honest.
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>>167332031
But Kairi is always wearing a white dress. She just zips up a pink one over it.
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>>167331757
The ending cutscene suggests otherwise. At least in my interpretation, it's not so much that they don't exist when they combine with their original selves. They just relinquish their ability to live their own lives.
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>>167332126
Deep
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>>167332218
DDD reports say they stop existing.
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>>167332094
What if she has short hair but a small section of long hair in a low ponytail in the back?
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>>167332407
>KH reports say Ansem did darkness experiments on the heart
>KHII reports say nobody's don't have hearts
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>>167333229
What if she was bald?
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Why do western/american female fans hate Kairi so much? I know they're fujoshi and she's in the way blahblah, but this doesn't stop them from liking females in other series with way less significance or personality than Kairi. It's such a weird contrast scrolling through twitter compared to these threads. If I only used twitter to gauge how western fans felt I would think everyone hated her.
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>>167333582
And both are still true.
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>>167333774
because she's not a strong independent black woman who don't need no man
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>>167333229
That looks horrible in my mind. Any pictures?
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>>167333774
>they're fujoshi
There you have it. They don't need anything else.
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>>167333875
Namine is much more passive, easily manipulated, and traditionally feminine than Kairi but they still like her more than Kairi. Kairi had less scenes than her, but in the scenes where she's active she shows bravery, strong will, and has a sense of humor. Yet the hate persists.
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>>167333609
>What's going on with Kairi, your Majesty!? Has her heart been taken by darkness!?

>No, Sora. She has cancer.
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>>167333774
This thread has a strange concentration of het shippers who are into Sora with Kairi and/or Blonde Kairi, so she's liked instead of being seen as a threat
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>>167334016
I guess where I'm confused is that these same fujoshi say things like "I'd rather see Sora with Aqua/Namine/Xion than Kairi". It's like they just get off on the idea of usurping Kairi's place in Sora's heart, doesn't matter who he's with as long as it isn't Kairi.
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>>167334293
It's just to offput you and destroy your argument. They don't really want that. Also they know these girls don't have a chance so it's harmless to say shit like that.
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>>167334293
It's a different mindset that entails an almost self-insert mentality. Kairi is "the girl", and even if Sora and Riku were to become a thing, she would probably be right in the middle of that sandwich. Jealousy at that drives an irrational dislike of Kairi's character, while other female protagonists with just as much (and in some cases, identical) characterization become seen as lesser threats, in which case they are fine.

It's a dumb logic, for sure.
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>>167334293
Because unlike Kairi 2/3 of those girls actually have personalities and are likeable
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>>167334785
s-shut up! Kairi is more than an undead damsel in KH1!
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>>167334785
Leave Kairi alone, she's a minx
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>>167334785
Kairi is sarcastic, fun, optimistic, stubborn, willing to fight to protect Sora even though she has no combat training (YET!!!), and she valued Sora even when her memories of him were erased. She clung to his memory as hard as she could manage. What is there not to like about her?
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i guess it doesn't matter how high the guilt is before you make the meow and pals
since you want to roll again to go beyond the previous 25% max guilt
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>>167335072
she's a soulless ginger
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>>167334902
Kairi is pure and sheltered just like every other human in kingdom hearts.
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>Kairi teases Riku
>he goes spaghetti
>procedes to tease him even more
Cute.
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>>167335123
To be honest with you, a huge motivation for my love for her is her fire engine red hair. Bright red hair on anime and video game girls just does something to me. If Namine and Xion also had bright red hair like her I wouldn't be able to pick.
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>>167335072
That she's just a bundle of stereotypes literally there to just make Riku and Sora seem less gay
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>>167335104
is this a correct assumption?
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>>167335351
Spaghetti Riku is best Riku
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>>167335507
I think you're the one stereotyping.
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sora is kairi only
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>>167335687
Tell that to Aqua!
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>>167335745
negro no

don't go down that fanfiction hole
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>>167335687
Everyone knows this. Their romance also has a lot of subtle build-up in every game so far. I'm not sure how ship ears are even a thing in kingdom hearts, but English speaking fans always find a way.

>>167335809
Pretty sure they were joking.
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>>167335971
*ship wars

Guess my phone hates war.
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>>167335809
>>167335971
Kairi is old and busted. Aqua is Nomura's new hotness.
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>>167335572
He is.
>I'm dark and brooding
>a girl teases him
>instantly breaks down
It's great.
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She's almost old enough to be his mom.

which is super hot
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>>167336286
Nigger they'll be almost the same age in body in KH3.
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>>167336164
Aqua has nothing to do with Kairi's place in Sora's heart. I couldn't care less about your waifu being popular. I just want Kairi and Sora to be happy together.

Besides I think it's awesome that a female character is the most popular character in the franchise after having to tolerate the Riku and Axel fangirls for so many years.
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>>167336508
>Nomura: I'll channel all my frustation from being sacked from FFXV into KH3
>thinking that'll be any sort of hapiness in kh3
Sora's darkness is coming out to play anon.
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>>167336753
>thinking this affects Sora and Kairi having a happily ever after when it's all over
Why am I humoring this?
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To reroll a Sora & Riku & Meow Wow, do you need another one or just a 6* version of one of the components?
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>>167336962
You never know. Sora's story is far from over.
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>>167337192
you need another S&R&C
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>>167337661
Alright, thanks.
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>"Xehanort fucker over three dear friends"
>Mickey never talked to Terra
Huh?
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Why argue over soriku or sokai when we can just force all of them together in an awkward threesome? SoRiKai 4EVARR!! XD
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>>167337854
Eraqus?
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>>167337972
I think in the context he was refering to the three Terra, Aqua and Ventus.
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>KH's Tinker Bell
Sweet Mother of Jesus
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>>167338462
Nothing beats the original 2D tbf
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>when you walk slow with aqua the framerate suddenly goes up to 60fps on the regular ps4

also, do any of you have the picture of aqua staring at herself in the mirror.
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>>167339057
Nah man that lower body surely got an upgrade in kh. The girl is like 75% ass and legs.
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>>167339403
Tink has always been super hot.
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Aqua has long, beautiful legs.
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>>167339472
I can't post pictures. If you would be so kind as to make a comparison.
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>>167339691
OG Tink
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>>167331402
Yea, but she needs polish.
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>>167314842

more than likely just a regular person now. if he was weak he wouldn't even have a nobody.
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>>167339661
I want to sniff and lick the leather shorts she's been wearing and fighting in for ten years.
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>>167340331
They most likely aren't leather but I otherwise agree. I want her to offer them.
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>>167339914
KH Tink is bigger, I'm sure.
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>>167339914
There was a scene where she gets stuck in a drawer and tries to escape through the keyhole but her ass was too fat and she got stuck. Lots of gratuitous camera angles during this.

Later in that scene Peter spanks her while holding her by her wings (I think) so her fairy dust will fall.
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What's nice about kh threads is that you can talk about any Disney movie you want and it'll still be on topic.
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>>167340851
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>>167341163
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>A KH character will never bond with Gaston and get a keyblade morph that looks like a gun with antlers and an egg at the end of the keychain
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>>167341163
>>167341456
>this is a kid's movie
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>>167341858
Animators are all perverts anon. Back then movie creators could get away with more because people weren't crying about male gaze.
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>>167342038
not him but the animators of BBS did a good job with Aqua's hip swinging walk.
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>>167342038
>we live in a world men can't even look where they want without women whining about it
Where did it everything go so wrong?
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>>167341619
>not a keyblade morph that's just looks like Gaston's chin

Step it the fuck up, anon.
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>>167343065
>we live in a world where STRAIGHT men can't even look where they want without women whining about it
ftfy
>>167343396
fair enough, would have more damage
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>>167324657
Everything about KH1 Kairi just screamed semen demon.

>Short red hair
>Choker
>Smug face
>Crop top
>Visible bellybutton
>Curvier legs
>Exposed heels
>Clearly depicted as a love interest and center piece of the plot rather than an afterthought
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>>167343618
You just describes a fat chick with dyed hair working at Hot Topic. Get your diagusting tastes out of here.

Catholic schoolgirl Kairi is clearly the correct path.
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>>167343861
>Catholic schoolgirl Kairi is clearly the correct path.
My nigga
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>>167343861
All Kairis are good for me.

I just hope someday we'll get to see milf Kairi.
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>>167343861
Fat chicks look horrible regardless of what they wear.

Aside from that, that "hot topic" look was the craze during the early-2000's and KH1 Kairi reflected that era.
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>>167344119
Sora did too in a way.
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How would you react if Sora's and Kairi's children were blond fraternal twins named Roxas and Namine?
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>>167344583
Would look on with extreme disgust, but not disappointment. Nothing can disappoint me in this series anymore.
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>>167344756
What has disappointed you about the franchise? I'm curious now.
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>>167344583
And a 2nd girl with black hair and name her Xion, but Sora can't remember where the name is from.
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>symphonies are canon now

REEEE NOMURA MAKE IT STOP
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>>167345114
The numerous retcons for one? The red-herrings for two?
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>>167345114
Not that anon, but if you don't have a 10 page .docx listing all the problems with the series, then you haven't been playing the fames.

Top, center, bolded, and size 72 on mine: NO ON HAS WRESTED CREATIVE CONTROL OF THE SERIES FROM NOMURA'S HACKJOB ZIPPER FINGERS
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>>167345280
Nigger, dream eaters are the norm now.
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>10 each of Sora and Meow Wow
>0 Riku
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Why isn't there a Gullwings medal yet?
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how the fuck could terra lose to aqua?
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>>167346771
Water is super effective against Ground.
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>>167346771
STR vs MAG
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>>167346712
You reminded me that Yuffie in the KH universe was originally going to be Rikku and that fact still makes me sad to this day.
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oh boy oh boy my third reroll was 65% now i get to farm legendary 15 more times until i get another riku drop oh boy
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>>167346771
He was... distracted.
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>"You can get X if you unlock the guilt of this medal that you can only get from EMC"

Didn't they only require pulling the medal when it started.
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Chances of BBSFMHD1.5+2.5 having an adjustment to enemy reactions? It's not a big deal to me but I wonder if they would actually do it.
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>>167347541
Yeah it started with the Wayfinders
>Pull Illustrated Terra, Aqua or Ventus and get a TAV Medal
i think it ended there as well
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>>167316507
i get into top 100 every time sensachio
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>>167316507
>>167350327
>in 600s on Vulpeus
>am a sub 200 shitter
I don't know if that's good
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>>167346771
Aqua is the best.
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>50% > 64% > 77%
Fuuuuuuuuck me.
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>>167349969
Hey I recognize this picture! A vendor was selling it at an anime convention several years ago
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>>167351441
>62% >62% >65%

we'll get there friend
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>>167353505
>last reroll was the same %
Release me from this suffering please...
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DDD HD is pretty dope
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I was about to get sora b but then I remember I had this
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Will he coninue to play Sora forever? Since KH3 is only the end of the Xehanort Saga?
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>>167355920
he'll be playing sora even when he is a fat old man
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>>167345483
>The numerous retcons for one?
Like what?
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>>167359750
He fell for the retcon meme when there aren't any to begin with
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>>167359861
I can think like one or two but people who tend to say that act like KH is full of them, when it really isn't. A lot of stuff is explained in either an in-game report or an Ultimania.
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>>167355616
>buff only for one turn
>cant do shit for damage
You're right in not getting Sora B but for the wrong reasons
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>>167355920
We're lucky his voice hasn't gotten all that deep. Though in 2.9 it sounds like he had to strain a little to stay a higher pitch. Personally I wouldn't mind an older sounding Sora. I mean you could use Riku's voice for a 40-year-old character.
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>>167359750
>so Ansem is the ruler of Hollow bastion, conducted this research about hearts and heartless and wrote this journal
>actually is this old guy who only wrote twp pages of the journal, his apprentice is the evil on and took his name. He good boy
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>>167358724
>First roll for meow wow and pals
>43%
Putanendtome.jpg
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>>167360112
nah suck my dick fag I'm only concerned with 1 turn kill and don't need my buff medals to do damage
>>
SORA
DONALD
GOOFY
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khux is dead now that fe heroes came out
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I want Aqua to be my secular holiday companion.
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I want Aqua to rape Xion with a strap-on.
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>>167364927
Would they touch tips
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ever since Chi, i like to imagine that this guy is just a bunch of dark Chirithys stacked on top of each other
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>>167365421
They would touch tips AND hips
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Next post ending in 25 is what is inside the box

Master of Masters merchandise
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>>167365643
muh dick
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>>167365643
sea salt ice cream
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>>167365643
MoM's collection of uncensored American porn
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>>167365643
MoM outifits he uses for luxu to crossdress in
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>>167365643
A smaller box
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>>167365643
MoM's benis
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>>167365643
Two midgets playing patty-cake for eternity
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>>167365643
An embarrassing picture of ira from the Christmas party
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>>167365643
A secret
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I hope all you roll fags get banned. Kys yourselves
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>>167365643
The Master
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>>167365643
muh MoM's dick
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>>167365643
Nothing
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>>167365643
The Heart
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>>167365643
The real kingdom hearts
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Are we positive Star Wars won't feature in KH3? It just seems a to good opportunity to pass for Nomura, the guy's clearly a fan.
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>>167366771
We know nothing
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>>167365643
MoM's Mom
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>>167364645
>tfw playing 5+ gachas
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>>167365643
A treasure planet world
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Here you go fags. That's like 60-40 body mass ratio ass/legs to upper body.
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HELL YEA 100%

FIFTH TIMES THE CHARM BAYBEE
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>>167365643
A keyblade
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>>167367490
Thiiicc
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does legendary actually drop 5 stars? haven't gotten any besides objective 5 stars
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>>167369724
Yes, it does.
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>>167365643
something bad
>but why?
>you'll see...
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>>167369724
Yes, i've gotten several
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Could you imagine that even if you play as Sora the whole time you can customize Kairi? Justify it in-story as him bringing her gifts the whole time.


Also the fact that she's in RG is nice since it means the Org would need to tangle with the FF cast to kidnap her.
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I can't decide who's worse: kairifags or aquafags. Either way I'd rather the general die then them bumping it with their stupid shit
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>>167371115
I'll think we'll just customize Sora.

Kairi will probably get her own spin off on a handheld after kh3.

>>167371336
You're welcome to keep talking about boring mobile shit.
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>>167371115
>bringing your in-character waifu gifts so you can dress her up
>she's excited and thankful every time no matter what you give her

I never knew I wanted this in a game
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>>167307086
>>167307170
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>>167371480
>>Kairi will probably get her own spin off on a handheld after kh3.
I can dig it
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>>167371336
It's a good thing I'm neither of those
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>>167371780
I can already see the plot
>Sora gets a bittersweet ending in kh3, vanishes in Kingdom Hearts of another bullshit
>Riku must stay to teach another generation of keyblade wielders and guard the light
>It's up to Kairi to save Sora
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>>167371920
Literally perfection.
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>>167371480
>>167371537
>>167371780
>>167372015
>implying Nomura will ever give a shit about Kairi
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>>167372139
All of the important characters have keyblades, so I'd say it's a start
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>>167372139
I don't want to hear anything about Nomura hating Kairi after he made Aqua accidentally give Kairi a keyblade.
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>>167372178
>>167372259
That's because he ran out of doughnut steels to fit into his stupid lore so he just gave them to fucking whoever
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>>167372352
Man you must really hate Kairi to pull this out of your ass
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Who cares about Aqua?
Who cares about Kairi?
Who cares about Xion?

It's all about Riku fucking Sora in the ass.
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Just finished Chi and Back Cover. Just how retarded were these foretellers? Even Avi was retarded, she was opposed to this war yet she's the one who kicked it off by attacking Luxi and even then she went on to slaughter other keyblade wielders herself. On top of that everyone put so much stalk on the master, the master's rules and that stupid book that they tore themselves apart over it really fucking quick and even used their personal armies of keyblade welders to settling their own grudges. These people are disgusting. Graceful Foretellers my ass,They were a bunch of spoiled children and they dragged a bunch of other people into their self righteous squabbling. The master sure did have a grand time fucking with them. I guess he's the next villain after Xehanort falls in KH3
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>>167372769
All according to keikaku
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k cock coo
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>>167372769
Get ready for secret boss Luxus fighting with dream eater gimmicks in kh3.
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Hopefully all of the foretellers ended up killing each other in the graveyard, I don't want to see those dumb motherfuckers again. Especially with how each of them beat up on the player character who was already beat to shit I hope they lived somehow
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>>167373192
I'm willing to bet they disappeared with Kingdom Hearts and will return when we finally recover it in kh3.
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>>167373192
They definitely killed each other or at the least Ava survived and founded the Land of Departure
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>>167373425
We see the player character still alive but dying as Kingdom Hearts appears as well as Luxus looking over the now empty Keyblade Graveyard. I doubt any of them survived it. They hated each other too much at that point to leave one another alive, especially Unicorn and Bear
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>>167372698

Anon, don't you see that the true end game ship of KH is Sora/Riku/Kairi? He clearly wants both of them.
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>>167374045
Dont give him hope, anon. The ending is clearly SoraxAqua
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>>167374045
No it's Sora and Riku only. Look at SENA's Valentine event. iSoraB this week, iRikuB next week.
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>>167355920
you can hear the fat in his voice. sora is a dyel manlet with a fat voice. I will literally play kh3 for the parts sora doesn't speak, and try to get used to his awkward fat fucking battle cries.
i want to delay kh3 for a more robust voice.
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which world was the most boring world in KH? I gotta say hunchback of notre dame
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I just finished DDD and I'm so absolutely miserable confused with the plot. I mean, I get the general -gist- of what happened, but I feel like the details aren't clarified/don't make any sense at all. Can someone help me out here?

Time travel. I don't understand how this works at all. They clarify some rules, but it feels like no one in the game actually followed them.

So from what I understand (and I could be completely fucking wrong), Sora and Riku went back in time to the point when Destiny Island was consumed so they could travel with it into darkness and reach the sleeping worlds. How? They said you have to give up your body to travel through time (hence why Ansem could do so, being a heartless). Did Sora and Riku do that? Where are their bodies? How do they get them back? Then they explictly say that once you travel back to your own time, you lose memory of all the events that transpired while you were gone. But Sora and Riku clearly remember?

What about Xehanort(s)? They would have all had to travel in time as well, but Ansem was the only one who gave up his body, correct? Isn't Xemnas -just- a body? And clearly Young or Old Xehanort hasn't given up anything. I'm so confused

How does Riku end up in Sora's dream? Is that concept explained anywhere? Can other people do that? Just hop into someone's dreams all willy nilly?

All of the dream worlds seem to take place in the past/around the time of KH1 (since I assume worlds can only 'dream' of events before they fell, so this would make sense for places like Monstro), which is why Jiminy, Micky and the others aren't familiar with Sora. But what about Tron? The events of the grid clearly happen after the original world in KH2, and Tron comes to remember Sora at the end. But how?

I'm sure there's other stuff but geez man
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You know, given the nature of how Xion,Roxas and Namine were born that makes them kinda Sora,Ven and Kairi's kids making any shipping between the three basically incest and by proxy making Axel/Lea that weird friend of yours who might of asked you once or twice if he could bang your daughter/son
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>>167376216
delet this
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>>167376216
Basically: it's a dream, but it isn't. It'd the past, but also the present.
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>>167376216
Tron was the only real world in the game IIRC, the rest were actually sleeping. Time travel isn't really that complicated you can't change events that already happened and when you go back to your time period you forget the events that happened. Riku ended up in Sora's dream because of Xehanort messing with Sora. When you give up your body you can time travel, even when you get your body back. Sora and Riku did lose their bodies if you recall earlier on. I felt like DDD did a decent job of explaining but it took me a replay to have it sink in.

I can't defend Sora and Riku remembering but it's magic, ain't gotta explain shit. that seems to be how the series operates when it doesn't give a shit about its own internal logic. I'd say don't worry about it too much.
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>>167376913
*can't change the events that already happened
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>>167359750
>>167359861

Retcons that I can remember from over the years:

-Originally, there were 4 Worlds/Realms listed: Light, Dark, the "real" world where everyone lives, and Never-Was/Twilight. The world of light was later changed to 'real world'. In fact, the 'Cosmology' of how the KH universe works gets fucking changed every game.

-In the beginning, a Keyblade was a super rare, ultra special snowflake one of a kind weapon. There was only ONE (of the World of Light, with Mickey's being explained as the parallel one from the World Of Darkness), and there was only one super special snowflake chosen as its wielder in all the universe. Several moichandizings later (read in Oprah Winfrey voice: "A keybade for YOU! And a keyblade for YOU! Etc.

-Ansem not being Billy Zane of Darkness, but really Xehanort. Diz nonsense.

Really, Everything about Xehanort. All the time travel horseshit with Zehanort introduced in DDD that doesn't make a lick of temporal, metaphysical, or logical sense and is wallbangingly stupid tier.

-Nobodies don;t have hearts or emotions. No wait, yes they do. No they don't. Well, some do. Well, the ones that interact with Roxas grew some due to osmosis. Wait, that's not right, they start with none and then ALL just grow them back separately. "Wait, how are Nobodies even different from the original person then if they have all their memories, body, emotions, etc?" ::Is shot by Square execs for bothering Nomura during one of his peote sessions:

-EVERYTHING regarding Roxas and Sora, re:Xion, Re: Ventus and Vanitas, and on the other side of things, Re: Terra, Re: Terranort, Re: Xehanort. Hint: Remember that scene from the epilogues of Birth By Sleep when it's implied that Terra isn't locked in his armor or gone or asleep, but is some sort of active participant in his body fighting for Xeha for control, and that Terranort/Seeker of Darkness/Xemnas might have been Terra himself? Hint#2, Nomura doesn't.
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>>167376913

>Tron was the only real world in the game IIRC, the rest were actually sleeping.

It still would have been in the past, meaning Tron wouldn't have met Sora yet
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>>167377164
No, you recall in KH2 when Tron mentions his world is a copy of another? You're in the original.
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I'll be doing Special Portals forever won't I?
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>>167377218
>It still would have been in the past, meaning Tron wouldn't have met Sora yet

Which still means Tron wouldn't have met Sora?
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>>167377115
>a Keyblade was a super rare, ultra special snowflake one of a kind weapon
That has never been true, not one time in the series.
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>>167377302
I don't get what you're trying to do? It's not the same Tron from KH2. He wouldn't know who Sora was regardless of if it was the present or the past.
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>>167377115

(Cont.)

-Everything regarding the X-Blade, and even moreso the """"""""true""""""" reason behind Org.XIII beng some bullshit about timetravel Xehanort clones and 13 hearts of darkness and 7 hearts of light.

Fuck, for that matter, while more plot hole then retcon obviously, DDD introduces a bunch of completely arbitrary rules for time travel that CONVENIENTLY make it so that time travel doesn't interfere with events that were written before the time travel (read: the ENTIRE franchise), and then proceeds to ignore and/or break 90% of those rules in the exact same game. Also, at the SAME time timetravel came out of nowhere with no forshadowing and makes no sense.

I could go on, each game that comes out in KH adds a bunch of shit that rewrites and/or coopts previously existing shit. It was MOSTLY fine until DDD shit the bed and ruined what would have been an exciting conclusion to the first storyline that had been developing for years.
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>>167377115
>-Originally, there were 4 Worlds/Realms listed: Light, Dark, the "real" world where everyone lives, and Never-Was/Twilight. The world of light was later changed to 'real world'. In fact, the 'Cosmology' of how the KH universe works gets fucking changed every game.
I don't remember there being 4 distinct ones but there is still Light, Dark, and In Between. Pic related.
>-In the beginning, a Keyblade was a super rare, ultra special snowflake one of a kind weapon. There was only ONE (of the World of Light, with Mickey's being explained as the parallel one from the World Of Darkness), and there was only one super special snowflake chosen as its wielder in all the universe. Several moichandizings later (read in Oprah Winfrey voice: "A keybade for YOU! And a keyblade for YOU! Etc.
This wasn't even true in KH1. As you have Mickey, Sora, and Riku all wielding. And then the KH1 Ultimania confirmed that there were more wielders.
>Really, Everything about Xehanort. All the time travel horseshit with Zehanort introduced in DDD that doesn't make a lick of temporal, metaphysical, or logical sense and is wallbangingly stupid tier.
That doesn't make it a retcon.
>-Nobodies don;t have hearts or emotions. No wait, yes they do. No they don't. Well, some do. Well, the ones that interact with Roxas grew some due to osmosis. Wait, that's not right, they start with none and then ALL just grow them back separately. "Wait, how are Nobodies even different from the original person then if they have all their memories, body, emotions, etc?" ::Is shot by Square execs for bothering Nomura during one of his peote sessions:
You may need to replay 3D again. The part about Nobodies is still true. It's that 3D added in that they all start off empty, except for Roxas and maybe Xemnas, and then by reliving the memories that they've been feigning and making new ones, they can regrow a Heart. But they all start off without hearts.

I'll continue in the next post.
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>>167377483
If there's 7 lights then how come KH X Back Story only mentions 5 lights
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>>167377321

I mean, it's pretty heavily implied. Everyone calls Sora's keyblade -the- keyblade. King Triton refers to Sora as -the- keyblade wielder

They also go out of their way to refer to Sora's, Micky's and later Riku's as distinct keyblades of different realms; the light, dark, and dawn keyblades. The concepts seems to have been largely dropped, and they never specify what 'realm' every other character's keyblades are
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>>167377321
It was. Riku was literally The Chosen One of the Keyblade, an apparently sentient weapon who chose its own wielders, but his heart fell to darkness.
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>>167377459

But he remembers Sora after their fight, and Quorra implies Rinzler hesitated once he heard Sora's voice, allowing her to escape, even saying that he must have 'remembered' something
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>>167377650
Oh that's just applying the same principle we learned from COM and applying it to DDD. He might be a different Tron but he's still Tron so there's a connecting however faint.
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>>167377115
>Hint: Remember that scene from the epilogues of Birth By Sleep when it's implied that Terra isn't locked in his armor or gone or asleep, but is some sort of active participant in his body fighting for Xeha for control, and that Terranort/Seeker of Darkness/Xemnas might have been Terra himself? Hint#2, Nomura doesn't.
Did you not watch or play 0.2. Terra's struggle is still depicted.
>>167377563
>The concepts seems to have been largely dropped, and they never specify what 'realm' every other character's keyblades are
They bring this back up in 0.2.
>>167377619
Which then proceed to choose Sora after Sora "stole" it. Bringing what you know in BbS and then applying it to KH1, Riku was still a "Chosen One". And you still have Mickey running around at the same time. So it wasn't as special as you guys are trying to make it.
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>>167376216
Okay yeah you really didn't get it.

>Sora and Riku
They didn't really time travel except for one moment.
Yenside performed a ritual to revert them to their younger selves and then sent them to around the time of DI falling.This is why they're in KH1 clothing while in DI.
This was to connect them to the world of dreams.
Afterwards everything is happening in the post-kh2 present.
All the worlds are dreaming and therefore their time is stopped at the point of their fall to darkness.
For the mechanics of why it's more like Yensid sent their memories back in time to influence their younger selves, but then the universe said "Wait this isn't right" and self corrected. The universe auto-correct is also why Xemnas and Ansem didn't collapse dead from their ass-kicking time itself auto-corrects after a while.
The memory thing only applies to knowledge that you gain from time travel. Ansem knows that he goes to the past to teach himself time travel, and he knows he'll head into the future. BUT he doesn't know what happens.


>Xehanort.
To time travel to the past requires giving up your body. To time travel to the future only requires that a) You have a version of yourself and b) you know how.
So Xehanort gives up his body. His heart becomes Ansem. Ansem then goes back in time and gives YMX the time travel ability. YMX visits all the Xehanort vessels who due to having a piece of his heart are able to learn time travel and tells them to go to the future.
NOTE not all the 12 Xehanort seen are time travelers. The Old Xehanort is explicitly not BBS Xehanort, and Nomura said in an interview that not all of them are time travelers.

I'll cont in another post.
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>>167377321

Sora and Mickey's keyblades are the only ones to exist or be talked about, with none others mentioned existing all the way till the very end of KH2. Riku's is explained as an artificial forgery that isn't really real and is made of darkness and/or memories or something.

And then at the very end of KH2 Riku just pulls one from out of his ass for Kairi to use with no explanation or fanfare. Nomura's explanation for this in bonus materials basically amounted to embarassed stuttering and "Did you rike it?", until he settled on saying that it was some kind of sub/slave-keyblade that came from his or Sora's (can't remember) and that it didn't really belong to her and she couldn;t use it without them.

Then Birth By Sleep turned Kingdom Hearts into Star Wars out of nowhere, introducing multiple keyblade users, the war, the graveyard, etc., all out of nowhere.
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>>167377793
>Bringing what you know in BbS and then applying it to KH1, Riku was still a "Chosen One". And you still have Mickey running around at the same time. So it wasn't as special as you guys are trying to make it.
ie, rectoning.
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>>167377553
The Foretellers + Luxu + MoM.

Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't that what MoM was talking about in the first scene of Back Cover?
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>>167377851
>Then Birth By Sleep turned Kingdom Hearts into Star Wars out of nowhere, introducing multiple keyblade users
There mere multiple uses in KH1. And then it was reconfirmed in KH1's Ultimania and in KH2.
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>>167377115
>Originally, there were 4 Worlds/Realms listed
There were only eve 3
There were 3 keyblades in 1, and ultimania confirmed there were more
>All the time travel horseshit with Zehanort introduced in DDD
In kh2
>-Nobodies don't have hearts or emotions
They still don't, they just wish they have hearts and crave for new ones
>but is some sort of active participant in his body fighting for Xeha for control
0.2 showed that he was still trying to fight for control but he's having a hard time. MX mentioned that terra was going to have a difficult fighting back in blank points
>Terranort/Seeker of Darkness/Xemnas might have been Terra himself?
Only xemnas was hinted at
>-EVERYTHING regarding Roxas and Sora, re:Xion, Re: Ventus and Vanitas
I don't even know what you're trying to say here
>>167377483
>Also, at the SAME time timetravel came out of nowhere
kh2
>Everything regarding the X-Blade
wat
> """"""""true""""""" reason behind Org.XIII beng some bullshit about timetravel Xehanort clones and 13 hearts of darkness and 7 hearts of light.
That was hinted at in bbs and arguably days
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>>167377845
>They didn't really time travel except for one moment.
>Yenside performed a ritual to revert them to their younger selves and then sent them to around the time of DI falling.This is why they're in KH1 clothing while in DI.
>This was to connect them to the world of dreams.
>Afterwards everything is happening in the post-kh2 present.

When is any of this explained?
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>>167378134
in DDD
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>>167377973
If Luxu's a light, what's he doing with the Xehanort keyblade?
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>>167378183

Where in DDD? I just finished the game today and don't remember any of that being said
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>>167378247
A science experiment for MoM, the keyblade isn't inherently evil.
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>>167377845

>How does Riku end up in Sora's dream? Is that concept explained anywhere? Can other people do that? Just hop into someone's dreams all willy nilly?

It's keyblade wielder ability. The world of dreams is multilayered. Ux seems like it will explain this more but even from DDD we know there's multiple layers.
For what it's worth Sora also knows how to travel back to the world of dreams seemingly at will.
The ending where he thanks his dream eaters.

An interesting note here is that it seems that in the Original World in the Age of Fairy Tales the Dream Eaters could live in the normal world such as Chirithy but there still existed a dream world.

>All of the dream worlds seem to take place in the past/around the time of KH1 (since I assume worlds can only 'dream' of events before they fell, so this would make sense for places like Monstro), which is why Jiminy, Micky and the others aren't familiar with Sora. But what about Tron? The events of the grid clearly happen after the original world in KH2, and Tron comes to remember Sora at the end. But how?

All the worlds in DDD except Tron and TWTNW are dreams. So they take place in the past (>Mickey went from a first mate, to a knight, to King via marriage).

Tron world is the real world which is why Sora and Riku can't affect each other here.
Sora is in the real world, and Riku is in Sora's dream.
This Tron is NOT KH2 Tron. They are copies of each other. HOWEVER in the metaphysics of the KH universe their hearts are somehow connected.
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>>167378273
>Where in DDD? I just finished the game today and don't remember any of that being said

Sometime in the first world, but before you go to the second. Yen Sid explains it in a flashback.
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>>167378273
Not him but Yen Sid deaging them is one of the first things said.
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>>167378279
>All the worlds in DDD except Tron and TWTNW are dreams

Then why did The Grid and Twilight Town have sleeping keyholes?
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>>167377115
>
Really, Everything about Xehanort. All the time travel horseshit with Zehanort introduced in DDD that doesn't make a lick of temporal, metaphysical, or logical sense and is wallbangingly stupid tier.

What about this specifically?

It's literally spelled out that you forget information learned and that you can't interfere with Destiny
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>>167378725
>you can't interfere with Destiny

I always hate this sort of stuff. Then why do anything at all? The outcome is already decided
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>>167378827
because it isn't written until it's wrote
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>>167378827
Duh. The book of prophecy my dude. It's all over, Xehanort wins.
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Guys about the X-blade I think you're forgetting it's explicitly still whole and kept somewhere by the Master in Ux as explained by Nomura.

So there ARE NO 7 LIGHT PARTS OF THE X-BLADE IN Ux/X/BC.
>>167378507
TWTNW is The world that never was not Twilight Town.
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>>167377541

>You may need to replay 3D again. The part about Nobodies is still true......But they all start off without hearts.

You DO know what a retcon is, right? I feel like a shitton of people don't. A retcon is when an early work in a franchise states something as fact/truth, and then a later work changes that original fact/truth to be something different to now """better""" fit the current plot/writing in the series. What you described in Days, and then later in DDD, both conflict with each other AND what we're told in KH2. In fact, all 3 conflict in DIFFERENT ways.

>>167377793

See above statement/definition of Retcon. Your entire post is summed up as "0.2, the most recent game in the KH series after 15 years in still changing things to suit its needs.

Furthermore

>Bringing what you know in BbS and then applying it to KH1

KH1: There is one keyblade of the world of light. It is a unique, magical sentient weapon that chooses its owner, the Chosen One with the purest heart of light ever.

BBS: There are infinite keyblades. They are not really sentient in the way KH1 spoke about, they are passed down from one jedi master, I mean Keybade master to his chosen apprentice. It is the master's choice. They're not all that special. Plenty of doucebags and assholes, and flat out evil people have had then as retconned through BBS, DDD, and especially Unchained Chi.

>>167377845

99% of your post is nonsense, headfanon, never stated or backed up in the games, and most importantly, still nonsensical gibberish even if it HAD been stated.
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Can we please just fucking retcon DDD and Chi?

Sleeping and Dreaming were both mistakes.
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>>167379091
Unfortunately sleep has been the only recurring theme in the series.
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>>167378827
Because it's only from the perspective of the future. The only comparison I can really think of now (without going into the theoretical proposal of quantum mechanics) would be in Destiny's book from Sandman. Everyone has choice but from the perspective of the future there was never any other way it would go. I mean scientifically speaking it's not like A>B>C is how time works.
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>>167378991
> the Chosen One with the purest heart of light ever.
>kh1 explicitly states that it sora isn't the chosen one but rather the runner up
ok pal
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>>167378962
>TWTNW is The world that never was not Twilight Town.

Oh, whoops. Still, what about The Grid?
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>>167379091
I'd be okay with everything set before BBS not happening. Hell I'd be okay with BBS not happening too and we can just skip Ventus' existence and go back to Terranort just being Xehanort. Everything related to the keyblade war and everything related to time travel was a mistake.
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>>167379236
>Because it's only from the perspective of the future

What about the book of prophecies
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>>167378991
>There is one keyblade of the world of light
It was never stated there was a single keyblade for the realm, that was just an assumption people arrived that was proven false before KH2, hell maybe even COM came out.

You can say everything everyone is saying headcanon but that claim is false and unmerited. You should replay the games.
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>"Although my heart may be weak, it's not alone. It's grown with each new experience. And it's found a home with all the friends I've made. I've become a part of their heart, just as they've become a part of mine. And if they think of me now and then, if they don't forget me, then our hearts will be one. I don't need a weapon. My friends are my power!"
Admit /vg/, you got hype.
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>>167378991
>the Chosen One with the purest heart of light ever.
Uh no? The only ones with purest heart of light were the Princesses of Heart.
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>>167379415
Hell it was proven wrong in the secret ending to kh1
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>>167379435
I was just very happy to see Xion there.
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>>167379507
People like to hearken back to what Leon and co. were saying but it makes sense they wouldn't fully know what they're talking about.
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>KHIII won't incorporate Sora's antiform/heartless affinity into his moveset

I thought it was a really fun idea and something that sets him apart from other wielders; Riku may have 'dark' powers but he was never a fucking feral heartless
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>>167379284

> the Chosen One with the purest heart of light ever.
>kh1 explicitly states that it sora isn't the chosen one but rather the runner up
>ok pal

Sora WAS the runner up, but before the Keyblade could get to Riku he lost himself to darkness, thus disqualifying himself. Sora then became the #1. This isn't hard.

Actually, the real bullshit there and this was pointed out and argued a SHITTON back when KH1 was new 15 years ago was how the fuck Riku was chosen over Sora, or even in the running, when he didn't really ever have a pure heart of light. I mean, compare puppies and rainbows, still acts like a naive 4 year old as a 17 year old Sora to Riku at any point in his life.
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>>167378991
In KH2 Roxas was able to cry and express emotion, so was Axel and crying is said to be an emotion. We can either consider that a contradiction within KH2 or a hint that what we were told is inaccurate.

Like is it a retcon if it turns out Aegon really is the son Raegar eventhough we are told The Mountain killed him when he was a baby?
Or even if he's a Blackfyre >N-no we were told the line was wiped out after the rebellion.

>BBS: There are infinite keyblades. They are not really sentient in the way KH1 spoke about, they are passed down from one jedi master, I mean Keybade master to his chosen apprentice. It is the master's choice. They're not all that special.

Just on this point but the keyblades aren't passed down 1-to-1 MoM has 6 apprentices. Eraqus has 2, and it's not like they lose their keyblade when their apprentice gains theirs. In fact the directly passed on quality is what makes Luxu's Key and Master's Keeper special.
Also Sora is still a special case IF YOU THINK HIM HAVING A KEYBLADE IS IN ANYWAY RELATED TO VEN YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
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>>167379602
With drive forms returning who knows. We might not get dual wielding back until KH3FM god willing I'd like to think they'll put it in or at least an equivalent.
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>>167360749
>all plot twists are retcons
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>>167379662
You don't need a pure heart of Light to wield. The game NEVER says that. Hell, it even says that outside of the Princesses of Heart, EVERY heart has light and darkness.
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>>167367178
Honestly a good strat. Increases odds of becoming a luck king on one.
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>>167379921
This is true. I wonder if this is how gamblers feel.
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>>167379662
>Sora WAS the runner up, but before the Keyblade could get to Riku he lost himself to darkness, thus disqualifying himself. Sora then became the #1. This isn't hard.
Thanks for agreeing with me
>when he didn't really ever have a pure heart of light
Only POH have pure hearts. Why do you think this is a requirement
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>>167379718
That's what it seems to be here and in /v/.
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>>167379385

The book's info is from the future.
It's based on what MoM and Luxu('s apprentices) see.

It's like in the year 2100 someone sees your grave.
It means that no matter what a grave with your name will be there at some point you could kill yourself and leave no body but someone is gonna build a fake grave anyway, you could buy the land where your grave will be and forbid construction, but too bad someone will just somehow get one built anyway, or a great temporal paradox will result.
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>>167379980
So they see the literal end of everything and eternal darkness. What now?
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>>167379662
A pure heart was never needed.
Xehanort/Ansem says it himself "The Heart that is Strong and True..."

Riku's heart was stronger. True can vary in definition, but much like the "You need to be pure in heart to go super saiyan" that was countered by Vegeta saying "Pure Evil is still pure"
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>>167379921
Also this is vaguely KH related, because /ourboy/ is also MoM
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>>167380152
Goofy?
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FUCK
I'm out of evolution medals
0AP will stay for next week, r-right?
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>>167380198
Roy.
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>>167379718

If they are not forshadowed, yes, they are. Or, you know, if ts completely obvious they were written and made up WAY later then the older works. Or if they contradict shit, and each other, a lot.

>>167379705

>In KH2 Roxas was able to cry and express emotion, so was Axel and crying is said to be an emotion

Yes, and the bullshittery about Nobodies not making any sense was one of the biggest talking points in KH2 when it came out. Everybody loved to harp on Nomura writing something that OBVIOUSLY contradicted itself and made no sense.

>A brief history of Nobodies:

KH2: Nobodies are the heartless, cast off bodied created when someone's heart becomes a Heartless. They have no emotions or 'soul'.

Fanbase: "That makes zero sense. They clearly have emotions and souls. Some of them anyway. How are they any different from the original person?"

Nomura/Ultimecias: Nobodies have NO HEART and NO EMOTIONS. They, however, have all the memories of the people from their previous Human lives and act as best they can and/or want to like the original person. This is why some are more Human then others.

365/2 Days: Roxas had a heart became Sora is a special snowflake. Nobodies who were particularly close to Roxas like Axel grew his heart, or at least his emotions back. Also, some might just have hearts still. Maybe?

::I'm probably forgetting more in this area::

DDD: "Fuck it, none of my previous explanations have made any sense whatsoever. If a Nobody lives long enough, their hearts will just grow back and they'll get their emotions back. Who cares why, Fuck you.

Fanbase: "How are they any different from their original selves at that point? Or at the very least, ordinary Humans. Why does that even happen.

We're still waiting on further retcons at this point.
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>>167380109
I actually have a feeling the twist at the end is after Xehanort defeat Sora and friends he will abandon Luxu's Keyblade and wield only the X-blade.
Then Sora and Co will get a 2nd wind and defeat him.
Therefore the Master would have no way of knowing what happened after "Darkness prevailed"
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>>167379870
>>167379956

Kingdom Hearts 1 EXPLICITLY states that THE Keyblade, singular, goes to the person with the strongest Heart.

Not purest heart of light admittedly, that's a different thing. But the rest still stands.
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Where did your Nova start and where is it now?
For me it's
>16
>145
and I still have to guilt 3D Sora and 3D Riku
and then I'll get to Sora & Riku & Meow Wow
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>>167380375
>EXPLICITLY states
when?

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I need proofs
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>>167380267
>Nomura/Ultimecias: Nobodies have NO HEART and NO EMOTIONS. They, however, have all the memories of the people from their previous Human lives and act as best they can and/or want to like the original person. This is why some are more Human then others.
I swear Axel said something about faking it in one of the games.
>365/2 Days: Roxas had a heart became Sora is a special snowflake. Nobodies who were particularly close to Roxas like Axel grew his heart, or at least his emotions back. Also, some might just have hearts still. Maybe?
Axel says in KH2 that Roxas made him feel like he had a heart.
>>167380375
But that's not what you said, you said "purest heart of light." The strong heart requirement is still %100 true and is one of the 2 requirements to wield and the one that Sora fulfilled and was reconfirmed in the Anniversary Ultimania.
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>>167380375
The english version states that. And that's a problem with the english language.
Japanese version doesn't infer that only one keyblade exists.
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>>167380375
Strong Heart yeah, pure Heart of Light no.

You seem to be unsure on a lot of the stuff you're rallying against.
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>>167380375
>anon complains about retcons
>retcons his own statements
poterry
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>>167380267
It has nothing to do with how long a nobody lives, it's if they meet the right conditions the body will make a replacement, Xemnas made sure that wouldn't happen by making their lives dull as shit and restricting what they can do. Nobodies have no hearts, they fake their emotions, that's still accurate, Roxas was the only exception. His weird birth plus having Ventus's heart inside encouraged him to have emotions, it's implied at the end of Days with Roxas crying the he grew a heart of his own because of his weird nature. Axel starts to feel like he has a heart because of being around Roxas so damn much.
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>apologists are bringing language barriers now
Good. Their arguments are running out.
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>>167380848
Localization always fuck up here and there, it's a valid statement. FFVII was so odd because of it.
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>>167380960
This.
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Any tips for the final boss of DDD? I can get to the point where you use a reality shift on the clock, but that bit after that where you get bumrushed by xehanort is throwing me for a loop
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Fuck yes. I wasted enough materials rerolling Riku and sora.
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so it can be assumed that xehanort has the power to wake sleeping hearts considering his younger self was able to dive into sleeping worlds easily?
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>>167381229
I have some bad news for you.
That's not the final boss
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>>167380848
Considering how there is back tracking on statements made by the first anon, I'd say he's running out of statements. And errors in translations are a valid point.
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>>167381291
How many rolls has it taken you? I'm 3 rolls deep. If it keeps going up 5 or 15 at a time I can totally finish it within my last 30 Mickeys. Yeah fucking right.
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>>167381693
Look Nomura clearly makes shit as he goes along, and sometimes he needs to change things to accommodate, it's literally that simple.
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HEY

HANDS OFF MY VESSEL
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>>167381804
Or you could pay attention better? There have been at least 5 anon a whole have told you the same thing multiple times.
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>>167381804
He did from 1 to 2 but it's been painfully clear from that point on that he's planned shit out. I know you're being obtuse to be obtuse but come on.
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>>167376216
>They said you have to give up your body to travel through time (hence why Ansem could do so, being a heartless). Did Sora and Riku do that?
Yyyyyyyyyyes but no. For this instance, Yen Sid assists them with his magic. However, both Sora and Riku lost their bodies in the events of KH1, so they do meet the requirements.

>Then they explictly say that once you travel back to your own time, you lose memory of all the events that transpired while you were gone. But Sora and Riku clearly remember?
This is partly because of the different method, partly because of the Realm of Sleep.

The RoS is a realm wherein real time does not flow. So while they entered in the past, the adventure they have runs in-tandem with the present, and thus they are able to leave the RoS into the present day.

>What about Xehanort(s)? They would have all had to travel in time as well, but Ansem was the only one who gave up his body, correct?
It's a one-time fee. Because all these Xehanorts are the same person, Xehanort after the point that Ansem acquires the power all have the same power.

The Robed Figure uses time travel to create a causal loop which technically places him before Young Xehanort, gifting YX with the ability to transcend time as a "later" version of the same person (which subsequently nabs all Xehanorts prior to the Robed Figure)

>How does Riku end up in Sora's dream?
It's explained that he does it instinctively to protect Sora from Xehanort, and they sort of leave it at that.

>But what about Tron?
The Grid is not a Sleeping World, as Xemnas says, data does not dream.

This was a testing ground for Xehanort to see if they could direct Sora's path in the dream. It's successful, and the reason why they are able to take him to The World That Never Was at the end of the game.
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>>167381973
Because things are left purposely vague now for easy change, he learned that after the first two games. That thing with Ansem was an obvious change, everyone could see that.

>>167382130
You're overestimating him.
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>>167382191
You're ignoring the obvious to make it seem like you're in the right.
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>>167382191
Anon stop being dumb
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>>167382232
>>167382256
It seems you both ignored a lot of stuff the other anon said and focused only on what you knew he couldn't prove.
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>>167382410
He's been blatantly wrong on the majority of his opinions, I haven't ignored anything.
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>>167378991
>A retcon is when an early work in a franchise states something as fact/truth, and then a later work changes that original fact/truth to be something different to now """better""" fit the current plot/writing in the series.
This isn't the only way to define a retcon, but you're talking specifically about contradicting prior canon.

In the case of Nobodies, this is not contradicting information, but an expansion upon existing information. Also, this was hinted towards as early as Chain of Memories.
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>>167382130
>it's been painfully clear from that point on that he's planned shit out
>planned shit out
>introduced time travel in the latest game
>planned shit out
I implore you to reconsider.
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>>167382483
>Nomura/Ultimecias: Nobodies have NO HEART and NO EMOTIONS. They, however, have all the memories of the people from their previous Human lives and act as best they can and/or want to like the original person. This is why some are more Human then others.
>DDD: "Fuck it, none of my previous explanations have made any sense whatsoever. If a Nobody lives long enough, their hearts will just grow back and they'll get their emotions back. Who cares why, Fuck you.
I don't even have to go far in the thread to see you ignored this. His statement about DDD was a bit off, but what was said was that the body WILL eventually replace the heart no matter what.
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>>167382691
He introduced time travel in kh2
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>>167382691
Your post doesn't mean anything. Just because someone puts time travel into their stories means they don't plan shit out? Talk about a non-sequitur
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>>167382770
not that anon but magic time travel via time portals don't count, at least not the same way
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>>167382483
>And then at the very end of KH2 Riku just pulls one from out of his ass for Kairi to use with no explanation or fanfare. Nomura's explanation for this in bonus materials basically amounted to embarassed stuttering and "Did you rike it?", until he settled on saying that it was some kind of sub/slave-keyblade that came from his or Sora's (can't remember) and that it didn't really belong to her and she couldn;t use it without them.
This was also ignored.
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>>167382747
I didn't ignore that at all. I explained why he was wrong earlier. Go back and read the thread, he clearly arrived at a conclusion that wasn't there to justify his ignorance on the subject.
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>>167382858
>i-it doesn't count because i say so
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>>167382858
It created the fact that you could though, there was in universe justification for it being there.
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>>167382902
it was explained that Roxas can borrow Sora's keyblade and use it at the same time as Sora is, in fact anyone can borrow your keyblade, so long as they also have had the ability to weild one passed on to them
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>>167381772
1 roll
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>"Sora..see? That's why it has to be you."

I still don't quite understand what Roxas meant by this, was that even Roxas or another illusion?
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>>167382902
Riku used Soul Eater, he gave Kairi his Way to Dawn with a keychain attached to it for the time being to defend herself. It doesn't take away from the fact that was a minor detail anyway.
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>>167382770
How so?
>>167382793
If you need to inject time travel to your plot which previously had none in order to explain the decisions you've made, your writing has not been thought out. This has always been true and will always be true.
>>167382987
>entering a world where it's 1940 all the time is the same as having your characters move through time in every world
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>>167383251
It was Roxas.
Org 13 couldn't create illusions in Sora's dream. Xigbar even states this explicitly.
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So this is Autism Hearts
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>>167383291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPexuLu4cg

he used way to dawn not soul eater
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>>167382940
>It has nothing to do with how long a nobody lives, it's if they meet the right conditions the body will make a replacement, Xemnas made sure that wouldn't happen by making their lives dull as shit and restricting what they can do. Nobodies have no hearts, they fake their emotions, that's still accurate, Roxas was the only exception. His weird birth plus having Ventus's heart inside encouraged him to have emotions, it's implied at the end of Days with Roxas crying the he grew a heart of his own because of his weird nature. Axel starts to feel like he has a heart because of being around Roxas so damn much.
This is literally conjecture.
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>>167383307
>which previously had none
>it did
>but it doesn't count because I say so
ok anon
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>>167383307
>entering a world

It was specifically time travel. This is stated by multiple characters in KH2. Its the very reason why they stop Donald from changing the past.
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>>167383414
>conjecture
Please learn to use words correctly. That's not conjecture, that's pointing out information we already know and applying it to the argument.
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>>167383214
>>167383291
>b-but you see guys, Kairi can use the kayblade because she is Aqua's successor!
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>>167383520
Yes, and?
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>>167383251
He meant that Sora had to be the one running around, and not Roxas.
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>>167383429
it was technically interfering with the present because of parodox crap but it wasnt time travel, or Donald and Goofy wouldnt have just appeared as their old selves, they would have run into them
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>>167382159
>The Grid is not a Sleeping World, as Xemnas says, data does not dream.

Then why did The Grid have one of the seven sleeping Keyholes?

>It's a one-time fee.

When is this stated?

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just genuinely curious
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>>167383580
>they would have run into them

Not necessarily. They weren't there that long.
It was indeed time travel.
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>>167383520
yes, that is what we are saying, that is literally why

Aqua accidentally passed the ability to use a Keyblade onto Kairi
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>>167383251
Roxas was just stating that he could have been the one to have done everything Sora did if he never woke up, but he realizes during the conversation that Sora really is the one who has to fix everything because of his outlook on life.
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Remember when they said Roxas and Riku fought twice when in reality it was the same round? Roxas got knocked out by Riku for a little bit, then he regained consciousness to attack Riku again causing him to have to take on Ansem's appearance just to be able to win.
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>>167382159
>>167383640
Different anon but I'm also curious about the one time fee dealio

How are they going to do it again for KH3?
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>>167383750
It was pretty much a two round fight but yes it's flimsy justification. It works but barely.
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>>167383478
> it's if they meet the right conditions the body will make a replacement, Xemnas made sure that wouldn't happen by making their lives dull as shit and restricting what they can do.
This is never stated, you just assumed it.
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>>167383563
>>167383680
>i-it's not a recton guys!
You will eat whatever shit Nomuras spouts for you.
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>>167383580
Did you forget Pete? Besides their appearance changed in worlds because of Donald or Soras fairy clothes.
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>>167383640
>Then why did The Grid have one of the seven sleeping Keyholes?
Because Sora and Riku are still in the dream.

The Keyholes don't correspond to worlds, but the Realm itself.

>When is this stated?
>>167383778
Ultimania

>—Were the 13 Seekers of Darkness, who were meant to be in different times, gathered by transcending time with magic?

Nomura: Just as it says in the story, to transcend time one must ‘first’ discard their form. As a result of the actions of the Brown Robed Figure, they all were in a state where they had gained the power to transcend time. The Brown Robed Figure explains the facts. The thirteen were summoned at the same time, this time thanks to Young Xehanort who borrowed that power. However, apart from Young Xehanort, that does not mean that all the members transcended time.
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>>167383417
>>167383429
Alright I may have been wrong. But that doesn't make it good writing or suggest that Nomura plans anything instead of just shitting things out and making a game to explain it later. It's also slightly less stupid than using time travel to have a brand newly introduced baby bad guy gather a million versions of the same bad guy who have all been defeated and none of them even having suggested that this time travel legion of evil plot is happening.
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>>167384210
>or suggest that Nomura plans anything

He's said in interviews he plans 2 games ahead. Unless you have proof that this is a lie, Nomura does indeed plan 2 games in advance.
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>>167384289
>a guy wouldn't just say shit to look smart
You guys have a lot of faith in him don't you.
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>>167384210
Who said it was good writing though? I doubt anyone here would tell you that it's good writing, but what we are saying is that KH isn't full of plotholes and retcons like was stated, though there have been a couple, the Mysterious Tower being one of them, and that things do have previous information to back them up when they're referenced later in the series and that things haven't been dropped. I swear I see this exact line of thinking in /v/ all of hte time.
> Nomura plans anything instead of just shitting things out and making a game to explain it later.
He has planned a lot of the stuff out though.
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>>167384403
I take a guy at his word unless something surfaces to disprove said point.
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>>167384210
All it shows is that you're wrong anon. Hell even in this post. Master Xehanort by DDD is hardly a new villian. We're not claiming it's good writing but it's coherent and planned out. You can keep being ignorant and assuming shit to make yourself feel in the right but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
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>>167384142
>The Keyholes don't correspond to worlds, but the Realm itself.
Source? I'll be asking links to Ultimania for whatever unheard of shit you guys bring up now.
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>>167384403
Just because you didn't like what he said doesn't make it not true. Do you have proof that it's a lie?
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>>167384530
>whatever unheard of shit
>Ultimania
Are you new?
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>>167384509
The games making no sense unless he makes another game down the line to subtly alter what was said and make it believe doesn't tip you off?
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>>167384142
>Ultimania

AKA "Let's wait for the fans to find all of my plot holes for me so I can cover them up and stick 'em in an 'official lore book' afterward

I really don't care that much, just hate when plot/lore in a fictional universe is relegated to a completely different medium, especially when it becomes important to new stories created for the original medium
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>>167384685
I didn't read them religiously if that was what you asked. I'm of the absurd belief that a story should make sense without external aids.
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>>167384697
>The games making no sense unless he makes another game down the line

That's exactly what would happen if someone was planning 2 games ahead.
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SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME

IS XEMNAS AND ANSEM SEEKER OF DARKNESS OLD XEHANORTS NOBODY AND HEARTLESS OR IS IT TERRANORTS

FURTHER WHEN DID TERRANORT DO THE SPLIT THING IF HE IS THEIRS
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>>167384775
You must hate the The Silmarillion
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>>167384697
>The games making no sense
They make sense. Multiple people understand what's going on.

>unless he makes another game down the line to subtly alter
Have you considered that:
1. You didn't pay attention.
or
2. You didn't try to understand the information's presented to you?
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>>167384839
yes
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Billy Zane returning when?
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>>167384839
Xemnas and Ansem, SoD are Terranort's Heartless and Nobody.

They split during the fall of RG, if I remember correctly. The beginning of 3D is part of that incident.
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>>167384853
Have you considered that:
1. It's a shitty story
or
2. It's a shitty story told very poorly?
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>>167384987
Why are you here?
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So where does Terra's heart exist during KH1/2? What with his body being split into heartless and nobody and all. We see him in the world of darkness in 0.2, but how does that work exactly?
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>>167384872
YES WHAT THO

END THIS PAIN FOR ME ANON
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>>167384530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xg3qysBRWk

>As there are seven pure Lights, there are seven Sleeping Keyholes

>>167384775
It's not ideal, but there are some things in Ultimanias that I'm not sure would be easy to explain in the game, in a way that feels natural.

Like, explaining that Master Xehanort had taken over his younger self.
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>>167385030
For what reason are you in this thread?
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>>167384987
You're clearly ignorant on the series though, it's not the games fault in this case, it's yours
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>>167385070
>Like, explaining that Master Xehanort had taken over his younger self.

Wait what
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>>167384987
Again, nobody said that it was a good story or good writing just that it's understandable. Why are you trying to bring the perceived quality of it into the argument of whether or not KH is full of retcons and plotholes?
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>>167385148
Young Xehanort boss fight in DDD
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>>167385090
I like the KH series?
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>>167385065
yes to all of it, the open ended questions too
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>>167385148
3D is a trip.
>>167385045
Personally I always thought that Xemnas had a Roxas situation going on. But I have no clue on that point anon.
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>>167385148
Yeah, you don't actually fight Young Xehanort, just the old man taking over for a sec.

Your clue is when his eyes flash.
And having a Keyblade.
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>>167384831
>to subtly alter what was said and make it believable
You forgot this part. Here I quoted it for you.
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>>167385353
It's not impossible for Young Xeh to have a keyblade
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>>167385353
>And having a Keyblade.

Why can't he have a keyblade on his own? He looks older than he did when training with Eraqus in the KHIII trailer
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>>167385353
Oh wow, actually, Mickey's "ARE YOU!?" before the fight makes sense now.
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>>167384853
It does make sense once you account all the changes. The argument is that there shouldn't be any changes.

>Have you considered that:
>1. You didn't pay attention.
>or
>2. You didn't try to understand the information's presented to you?
Kairi gains a kayblade. Fans: huh why does Kairi has a keyblade? Nomura: i-it was lent to her. Later, Nomura: You see children, Aqua had made Kairi a successor, and a keyblade can be lent to someone if they already have the power to use a keyblade.
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>>167385520
what scene is this?
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>>167385607
Yet even the fact that she can weild one doesn't matter in the context of that scene, it was lent to her there and that's all that matters.
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>>167385410
>>167385454
Well we'll see exactly what's going on with Young(er?) Xehanort in KHIII.

But YX in DDD is supposedly him before having gotten a Keyblade.
Or at least, before he gets No Name, going by his dialogue in Re:coded.
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>>167385607
I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here. You're trying to speak sensibly to a pack of rabid fanboys who will bend over backwards to defend the games.
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>>167385770
>But YX in DDD is supposedly him before having gotten a Keyblade.

Its also supposed to be before he even leaves Destiny Islands.
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>>167385454
>"I'll go back to the island and this experience will influence me to seek other world until eventually I come into this power"
>but we see an younger Xehanort with Eraqus in the trailer
No-retcon lads, explain thisl.
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>>167385814
>You're trying to speak sensibly to a pack of rabid fanboys who will bend over backwards to defend the games.
>people defending KH
>In the KH general
Absolutely shocking.
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>>167385864
We don't see a younger Xehanort in the trailer though, he just has a different hairstyle when he's in the Land of Departure. How are you so thick headed?
>>167385814
No reason to be so assblasted, just because you can't make a reasonable argument doesn't mean you have to cry.
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>>167385814
Me neither, though I admittedly have a problem with those things. I'll take this >>167385767 as my clue to stop now.
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>>167385864
?? He obviously will leave the islands and stumble onto the land of departure where he trains with Eraqus
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>>167386039
Wow I expected you to have some backbone and defend your statements too.
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>>167386019
>We don't see a younger Xehanort in the trailer though, he just has a different hairstyle when he's in the Land of Departure.
You can't be serious.
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>>167386150
It's blatantly obvious anon, maybe you should use your brain
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>>167386019
Good one, my guy. You sure got me with that sick burn.
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>>167386201
No reason to burn you when you're embarrassing yourself
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>>167386019
>We don't see a younger Xehanort in the trailer though
Ben Diskin did say he was directed to sound slightly younger.
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>>167386243
You are right.
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>>167386094
I does matter because it's was not anyone who could just use a keyblade. Then he remembers that and makes a shitty excuse.
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>>167386194
Maybe you should have your eyes and ears checked instead.
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>>>/v/366331029
>It's a "Didn't like what they had to say on one board so I'll make a bait thread on another" episode
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>>167386290
That makes no sense considering YX implied he was still living on Destiny Islands.
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>>167386740
get a life lmao we don't need reports on /v/ every time a kh thread pops up
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>>167386740
Hmm, how does it relate to what was being said here?
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>>167386974
Give it time.
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>>167386770
I guess we just have to wait for KHIII. I'm not gonna try making sense of it until then.
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>>167386868
>get a life
Do you know where you are?
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>>167387018
Well I didn't leave. Can still keep going if you're feeling up to it *winks*.
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>>167387112
>*winks*
>>>/aco/
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>>167387056
Is Kingdom Hearts 3 going to actually tie everything together?
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>>167387109
great response, the sooner u kill urself the sooner u can see ur kh waifu
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>>167387172
That didn't answer my question.
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>>167383251

that entire scene was true kino
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>>167387257
let it die general
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>>167387385
Let It Die has a general?
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>>167387153
Everything about Xehanort, I hope. But not everything.
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>>167387367
I agree, and even better in the trailer .
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>>167387420
you're posting in it
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>>167387448
>But not everything.
what do you mean?
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>>167387525
MoM is definitely gonna go past these game events.

Hell an interesting question is are the Foretellers still alive?
What would stop them or someone else from putting them in dream stasis like the Dandelions?
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>>167387686
Didn't they died in the keyblade wars?

Also what do we know about the master of masters, except that he made the keyblade that Xehanort has?
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>>>/v/366332709
Whomp there it is.
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>>167365643
Nothing.
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>>167387845
what are you pointing out, a post from one of the autists here? khfag without the trip???
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>"For a true hero is not measured by the size of his strength, but the strength of his heart"
Fucking hell am I hype for Olympus Colosseum in KH3.
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>>167387947
A reflection unto yourselves.
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>>167388018
okay fag, thanks for the blog update
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>>167388008

Is Hercules the strongest non-keyblade weilder good guy?
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>>167388094
You seem particularly agitated today anon. Wanna talk about it?
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>>167388104
If you mean like the physically strongest, its probably hercules since he's half god and has superhuman strength.
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>>167388150
yeah i keep reading this one fag's dumb blog posts :(
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>>167388008
>"I don't know if I can do this Herc, I'm not a hero, the keyblade is not even mine"
>"I disagree, Sora, a true hero is not measured by the size of his strength, but the strength of his heart"
Please this.
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>>167388150
I'm already have Xehanort.
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>>167388238
>blog posts
If you're gonna do that at least get the meme right. -_-
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>>167387525
Nomura's already confirmed that not all of the loose ends will be tied with KHIII.

Seems likely that the events and characters of χ[chi] will impact the next saga.
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>>167388312
At least you have a big keyblade?
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>>167387845
Kingdom Hearts better be a fucking cute girl then.
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>>167388427
For you.
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>>167384839
>>167384963
why didn't xehanort create a heartless and nobody when releasing his heart to take over terra?
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>>167388760
Because that isn't the same process.
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>>167388760
He didn't create a heartless because his heart went into Terra. He might have actually created a Nobody for all we know. Eraqus might have created a Nobody as well after his heart went into Terra.
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>>167388414
Is Vanitas more related to Xehanort then? Will that be wrapped up?
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>>167389028
Vanitas IS wrapped up.
What about Vanitas isn't wrapped up?
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>>167389056
Xehanort says that Keyblade Masters have a certain ability in that they can extract hearts in his Journal entries.

He doesn't describe it as losing a heart. If you want to look at it this way, Sora didn't know what he was doing in KH1 and fucked up while Xehanort, a old ass Master, knows how to extract his heart without fucking it up and then move it to a different person.
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>>167389178
idk bruh, never played bbs
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>>167389290
So why did you ask?
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>>167389186
I'm more interested on why Sora and Kairi still have bodies after Sora's stunt.
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>>167389461
Sora was a walking heart before the end of KH2s tutorial
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>Lea meeting Ven for the first time, thinking it's Roxas
>Lea having to fight his (second?) best friend corrupted by Xehanort

Lea is going to have a rough time in KHIII
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>>167389461
Kairi's Heart went back to her body, I can't remember which interview it was but I could have sworn that it was aid that her body was hanging around in the RoL because of her PoH status, and Sora was effectively a walking Heart until he fuses back with Roxas at the end of KH2's tutorial. Kairi's PoH specialines just "washed" the darkness coat off of him.
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>>167389551

hey, isa is still able to be saved if they can kick nort out of his heart.

ventus, xion, and roxas are too.

wait a minute... axel has a connection to all the people in sora's heart.... surely that will be plot point.
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>>167367490
A microdick's wet dream
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>>167389612
You see this shit doesn't even make sense... it's all too convenient.
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>>167389998
>it's too convenient
You asked and I told you.
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>>167389998
>it's all too convenient

Its almost as if its a work of fiction that conforms to however the author writes it.
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>>167376217
Namine's mommy and daddy issues just make her hotter
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>actual discussions are going on for heaps of posts
who are you people and where is /khg/
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>"May your heart be your guiding key"
This shit is gonna be the new "Sora, Donald, Goofy" in KH3, isn't it?
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>>167390173
I hope so, I actually like it, kind of makes keyblade wielders seem more like a group.
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>>167390173
>Ray Chase, Matt Mittelman, Robbie Daymond, and Adam Croasdell were making fun of this line
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>>167390163
>MUH BROOMS
>MUH JEWELS
>DID YOU SAVE UP FAGGOT
>SENA PLEASE
I for one am glad this isn't present
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Fucking SENA.
When are they gonna release brooms? I have 0 dot premiums sitting around I want to guilt.
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>>167390308
>>167390457
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>>167388760
A heart has to fall to darkness to become a Heartless. Nobodies are a by-product of Heartless. No Heartless = No Nobody.
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>>167390546
Not to derail, but why do people like Malcolm in the Middle? I watched one episode of that shit and dropped it faster than Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days.
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>>167390070
True that.

>>167390127
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Nomura adding things like that (nobodies) later at random, make past events just seem covulated as fuck. It just so happens that PoH have some special powers that justify the concept of nobodies not being introduced then (even though these fuckers were in an Ansem Report).
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>>167390650
I have no clue. I just know that the mom was a cunt.
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In DDDHD, how the fuck is Sora underwater in pranksters paradise without drowning?
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>>167390621
Namine disagrees with you.
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>>167388941
O FUCK
the secret bosses
armor terra, armor eraqus, no heart
they're all nobodies
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>>167390706
>It just so happens that PoH have some special powers that justify the concept of nobodies not being introduced then (even though these fuckers were in an Ansem Report).
I'm confused on what you're saying here. Are you finding issue with Roxas and Namine not popping up in that particular cutscene? Because they were infact born at that time. Just not in that place.
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>>167390706
>that justify the concept of nobodies not being introduced then

But they WERE created then. You just didn't meet them until later.
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>>167390650
> dropped it faster than Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days.
It seems you're unable to appreciate true art.
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>>167390772
It's magic I ain't gotta explain shit
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>>167390792
Namine was only categorized as a Nobody for the sake of convenience. The Secret Ansem Reports hint that she could be something else
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>>167390792
Naminé is an abomination and a mistake. She must be purged for the greater good.
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>>167390792
Namine is a known anomaly. Even the game says it for that very reason.
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>>167390864
Days is the second worst KH game to date.
It was awful. Fuck off.
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>>167390457
Brooms still aren't out in NA?
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>>167390890
No man, you can not just say shit like that for convenience's sake.

>>167390919
I'm done.

>>167390896
Miss old DiZ.
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>>167390706
>It just so happens that PoH have some special powers that justify the concept of nobodies not being introduced then (even though these fuckers were in an Ansem Report).
The game shows you this with Kairi not losing her body and Sora losing his. We don't always need everything said out loud in a 5 minute cutscene.

Plus the secret ending to KH1 shows Roxas who is in fact a Nobody, meaning Nomura had the idea but it wasn't implemented into KH1 because at the time, he didn't know if there would be a sequel.
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>>167390706
The concept of Nobodies was only introduced in KH1's Final Mix (which added two extra Ansem reports that talk about them)
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>>167390939
There is no known cure for shit taste, but maybe I can point you in the right direction, watch Akira (1988).
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>>167391017
The Ansem reports state what she is.
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>>167391105
1: I love Akira. Its a good movie.
2: Days is still awful fuck off.
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>>167391147
Then you are lost.
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>>167391017
>I'm done.
I mean, it's right there in the text anon.
>Naminé.
>As I have written before, she is a most unusual being.
>Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody.
>Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.
>I have arrived at a hypothesis.
>I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi's hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously.
>Naminé emerged as Kairi's Nobody...but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.
>When a person's heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind give rise to a Nobody.
>But what if one willingly releases one's heart from one's body?
>Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.
>Then there are Kairi and Naminé.
>Kairi was exceptional for having had no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel—Sora.
>The combination of the two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.
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>>167390939
What would be the worst if not Days? The only correct answer is Unchained
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>>167391228
>What would be the worst if not Days?

Kingdom Hearts 1
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>>167391262
>Kingdom Hearts 1
>mfw soralaam thinks 0.2 has worse platforming than KH1
E-celebs were a mistake
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>>167391105
>There is no known cure for shit taste
Yes, it's an unfortunate truth.

Perhaps someday we'll find help for you.
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>>167391262
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>>167391218
I miss reading Ansem's ramblings. Is this what it feels like to be high?
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>>167391317
Almost everyone I've seen run 0.2 on twitch says it has horrible platforming.
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>>167391343
It's sad you can not see the one true kino moment of KH was in days. I'm sorry, anon, I failed you.
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>>167391343
>no u
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>>167391419
Honest to god think they're being contrarian. 0.2s platforming is leagues above the rest of the series
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>>167391451
Days is a travesty of storytelling.
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>>167391476
I wouldn't go that far. I think its pretty bad also but its not KH1 bad.
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>>167391517
Really? It felt really smooth the entire time I played it, I'd hardly call it bad. Especially compared to other 3D platformers. It's somewhere in the middle.
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>>167389445
I thought vanitas was gunna be a thing in KH3
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>>167391604
Why did you think that?
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>>167391628
looks more like a BBEG than xehanort tbqh
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>>167391505
Really? Even though it was done with the same execution as that bakemonogatari you guys seem to love so much?
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>>167391604
I still think they'll have him be one of the Norts. Probably via time travel.
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>>167391774
How would you even know? You said you didn't play bbs.
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>>167391218
>Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.
I was too distracted by the fact that one was a shrimp and the other was Billy Zane to notice this
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>>167391841
kh2 secret movie desu
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>>167391804
I haven't watched Bakemonogatari.

But if it has abhorrent pacing, bland characters with no growth, and boring dialogue, then yeah, I would probably call that garbage as well.
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>>167391898
You mean the movie where Vanitas was obviously an underling and the old man was the boss?
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>>167391957
>characters with no growth
>roxas goes from a mindless drone to a curious kid who ponders his role in the organization and his life in general to someone who after a year grows up and decides to be independent. Seeking out answers for himself without relying solely on the organization
>xion goes from a blank slate to a timid leech who is unsure of her abilities and her origins to finally someone who is strong enough to accept their purpose to save another's life even if it means destroying herself
>axel goes from psychopathic assassin who kills and manipulates others to softening up after hanging out with a couple kids. He values the friendship so much that he lies to the two about their origins but it blows up in his face. After only showing interest in himself and his own plans with saix, he fights with both of his defected friends to bring them back home
Days may the worst gameplay wise but saying it has no character growth is naive and stupid
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>>167392943
This is true, though I would argue the development is pretty much all it has going for it. The multiplayer maybe being a plus.
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>>167392943
>axel goes from psychopathic assassin who kills and manipulates others
This side of Axel is not at all present within Days and should not be considered.

All you're really giving me here is a plot synopsis, not changes to their character.
Roxas, Axel and Xion are all static. They don't change.

Axel acts the same way he does in KHII. There is no bridge between his personality in CoM to the one in KHII, it's only KHII Axel.

Roxas acts the same way he does in KHII. Which is even worse because KHII Roxas goes through a much more harrowing scenario in a much shorter amount of time. But a week into Days, Roxas is already the same fucking kid, questioning his place and getting angsty. The only difference is that Days lets him do it for much longer.

Xion is really the only character that has anything close to a real character arc, and even then hers is fairly shallow, only moving as the plot demands, because she is the plot.

A good character grows in reaction to the plot. Days' characters simply move in time with the plot.

The best example I can think of in a single game is Data-Sora. Over the course of the franchise it's obviously Riku.
These two examples blow anything Days attempted out of the water.
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>>167393383
senpai so you don't think Roxas growing from a shell to how he is at the end of Days is character development? Same for Axel growing away from his friendship with Saix and general attitude at the start of Days?
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>>167393461
Roxas coming out of his "zombie" phase isn't character development. It's the narrative equivalent of waking up.

Not to mention this phase of his existence is only lightly touched upon.

The strained relationship between Saïx and Axel, too, is given only minimum concern, leaving the development there mostly up to audience insinuation.

And his attitude towards Roxas ("I gotta babysit you" vs "you're my friend let's get ice cream") lasts all of about 10 minutes. It's as though the writer couldn't bear to give them time to grow a natural friendship, they just wanted to cut straight to the part that fans wanted to see coming from KHII.

That's a big problem with Days. It relies on sequel baggage to do the development for you. Because you played the previous games, you know these characters so they don't have to reinforce their character.

And while that can work for fans, taking Days as a narrative by its own merits, it's nothing short of a huge mistake.

Then you have to consider all the time the game has to flesh out these characters, and they simply aren't there. So much of the game is worthless filler, even in the story itself. It wants to be a character-driven drama, but what happens is that the drama drives the characters instead.
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Why are Roxas and Sora so different personality-wise while Axel and Lea are literally the same
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>>167395080
because Roxas and Sora have completely different experiences, Roxas didn't retain Sora's memories so he's pretty much his own person hijacking Sora's body and half his power.
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>>167395152
So Sora at his core, without his friends or waifu, is a moody skater?
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>>167395494
No
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>only special attacks that cost 4 or more bars allowed
If only I had two more dots on Saix. And hadn't made Sebastian a 6* with no Cids. And had Cids to put into Eraqus. My only other options are 4 dot Rock Titan, 3D Riku, Mowgli and Pals, and fucking 74% Eraqus but I don't think any of them will help with no buffs.
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>>167393821
in the end days exists as fertile ground for fanfic and headcanon bullcrap, which is terrible because the only thing this fandom is interested in are high school au slashfic
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>>167395814
Buy the weekly deal and you get 21 Cids per week.
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>>167396006

That's all most fandoms are interested in anon.
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>>167396097
Not until you bring back the mirror quest while all the other VIP quests are up and it's also a 0 AP week, SENA. Then and only then will you get my 15 American dollars.
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>>167396874
>not also demanding they release brooms and implement JP's daily broom quest
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>>167396914
That's impossible, not just extremely unlikely. I'm a reasonable man deep down under my angry cunt exterior.
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>>167397000
>That's impossible, not just extremely unlikely

I like to dream you know.
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light
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>>167393383
>This side of Axel is not at all present within Days and should not be considered.
>Axel go kill the traitors and take out anyone in my way
>sure thing saix
m8 wat
>All you're really giving me here is a plot synopsis, not changes to their character.
Roxas, Axel and Xion are all static. They don't change.
Why ignore my entire post
>There is no bridge between his personality in CoM to the one in KHII, it's only KHII Axel.
Seriously why ignore my post
>Roxas acts the same way he does in KHII.
>But a week into Days, Roxas is already the same fucking kid
He was still following orders his first week into days and learning the basics of fighting. What are you talking about
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>>167398776
If you think the Axel in Days ever matched up with "now you can be nothing instead of nobody" you're delusional.
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>>167398861
>not present "at all"
>it is
>but
m8
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>>167398986
Axel's darker moments in Days mirror his temperament in KHII.

On Day 72, Axel and Saïx speak about the mission at CO. Axel bluntly states "I disposed of Zexion, by the way."
And whatever shadows of CoM Axel's presence may have lingered were swiftly wiped away after that scene.

Even in their next talk, when Axel explains why he killed Vexen and Zexion, the sadistic trickster with his own agenda we saw in CoM is noticeably absent--replaced instead by the nonchalant-yet-firm loyalty of KHII's Axel.

By the way, we do not have a scene showing Saïx ordering Axel to dispose of the traitors. Again, an insinuation you as a fan have to make because you played the previous games.

You know that a character's growth isn't just WHAT happens, but HOW it happens and HOW the character feels, reacts, speaks in regards to what happens?
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>>167307086
>>167307170
What if it's just opposite sides of the same keychain?
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>>167399536
>And whatever shadows of CoM Axel's presence may have lingered were swiftly wiped away after that scene.
>axel constantly lying to roxas and manipulating him to stay away from the truth about his origins with sora and xion
>still following orders, having to do the "icky jobs" like fighting his friend xion
>firm loyalty of KHII Axel
You mean the guy who defected after disobeying his orders to kill roxas. What
>By the way, we do not have a scene showing Saïx ordering Axel to dispose of the traitors
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uahseFA2DQE
19:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TgIisMQk30
1:46:46
Do you have any idea of what you're talking about
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>>167400107
>You mean the guy who defected after disobeying his orders to kill roxas. What
Loyalty to his friends, you dip
He was never loyal to the Organization.

>19:34
Alright, I forgot a 20-second clip. Still, does that seem like the Axel we saw in CoM?
The way Days characterizes him, it's as if he completely changes personas during that job.
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>>167387525
KH3 is not the last KH game.
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>>167401636
For me it is RIP
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>>167401706
>wanting off the coaster

The ride never ends buddy.
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>>167390809
>armor terra
I think what that anon said is that Terranort is an odd case. 2 hearts in one body. If anything it should have created 2 heartless and one nobody.

We got Xemnas as the nobody who neither identify as Terra or Xehanort, ANsem SoD for Xehanort's heartless. The only heartless missing is the one corresponding to Terra's heart.
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>>167401883
>2 hearts in one body. If anything it should have created 2 heartless and one nobody.
It didn't create 2 Heartless for Sora, why would it for Terranort? It's pretty much the same situation between Terranort and Sora/Ven.
>We got Xemnas as the nobody who neither identify as Terra
Going by what was said about Xemnas in the Ultimania and his cutscenes in Days and KH2:FM, you could argue that he's a bit more Terra than Xehanort.
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>>167401706
Same here, but there going to be left with a lot of loose ties for future game purpose. until Kh dissidia/warrior is a thing, I can only enjoy this much cheezyness and convenient writting.
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until sora and kairi get together I am chained to this ride for eternity
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>>167402078
Ventus hearts is sleeping, broken and non-hostile, and Sora is not a regular lion. More seriously it just the whole nobody thing wasn't truly planned back in kh1. If it's happens to be true for Terra, than expect Nomura to come up wth something to explain Sora's case.

>he's a bit more Terra than Xehanort.
well Terranort IS Terra's body, anon. Xemnas just doesn't identy to any of his former hearts because they were clashing.
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>>167402362
I'm saying that in the most basic of ways the Terranort situation is extremely similar to the Ven/Sora one. Even if the Nobody thing wasn't planned for in KH1, there is really no indicator that there should be 2 Heartlesses in either situation. Going by Ven's situation it looks like one of the Hearts ends up in the other body, though where Terra's Heart went is one of the questions in the series as it seems to not be in Xemnas. Or maybe it is? It wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone speculate that Xemnas isn't as loyal to Xehanort as he may seem.

> Terranort IS Terra's body, anon. Xemnas just doesn't identy to any of his former hearts because they were clashing.
I don't think there's that much of Xemnas seen to really make that a definite yes or no, personally I lean on the other side of that going by the confirmation that he's relying on Terra's memories for various shit. And his "cryptic" dialogue in the various games.
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>>167402954
>there isn't that much seen to really make that a definite yes or no
Kh in a nutshell. That's why we speculate.

And going by picture you posted, you couldn't say if it was Terra or Xehanort as they both knew veggie Ventus. I just prefer to assume Xemnas is both of them, and sometime one more than the other, but ultimatelly he is a very broken being due to the conflict between the two individual he is formed after.

>Terranort situation is extremely similar to the Ven/Sora one
I disagree. Sora/Ven case is definitely diffrent of Terra/Xehanort case, in virtue of Ven's heart being broken and sleeping and his body remaining in Castle Oblivion. Terra/Xehanort is an odd case, but Sora/Ven is even worst than that.
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>>167403390
The only real difference is that Terra is/was fighting Xehanort for dominance. But effectively how both of those situations came to be result from the splitting of a Body with more than 1 Heart being split into a Heartless and Nobody. That's what I meant by similar. Nobody else in the series has had this happen to them, so far.
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>>167402224
>sora and kairi get together I am chained to this ride for eternity
Then you'll never leave, Sora ends up together with Aqua
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>>167403528
>we're not so different, you and I
>said the bald old man to the anime lad

>>167404513
please no. If that happens I will shit my pants in anger. I won't even be ashamed.
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>>167404597
All the hints are there, anon. It will be Nomura's grand twist, his final Prestige. And he is very proud of that, I might add.
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>>167404714
but sora and kairi getting separated in kh1 was the one and only time a video game has made me cry. nomura no
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>>167404597
>said the bald old man to the anime lad
The things you'd do to become an anime lad.

>>167404714
A part of me love this meme, but the other will laugh when Sora will be cucked by Riku and Mickey doing the saving.
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>>167405698
is it really possible to be cucked in regards to something you never wanted or never had
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>>167405838
No, but that's implying Sora/Aqua was ever about the characters and never about self-insert and wish fullfilment from a very peculiar kind of anons.
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>>167399602
its not, i was noticing it in 2.8, its changed on both sides
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>>167401883
>>167402078
Terranort is 2 heartless and one nobody,
>What is the Guardian

Also Ven's Heart went into Roxas thats why there is no second heartless
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>>167391550
>>167391317
I think it's just that they werent used to Aqua's movement from BBS with these new tall epic levels, it does take getting used to but once you figure it out its great
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>>167406362
if they want to go full pottery with this sora/xehanort hard parallel thing they've been setting up, sora needs to acquire Stand Power to fight the Guardian. like maybe the automatic offense of Final Form and uncontrollable nature of Anti Form were hints at it.

I just want to control a punch ghost
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>>167406362
It'd be more proper to say it stayed in Roxas as Sora's body disappeared off to Twilight Town, well it's either because it didn't come out or because his heart's pure light that no heartless were made
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Would Roxas splitting off mean Sora would lose Final Form and his second keyblade?

I don't think Roxas becoming his own person is worth the player character losing cool shit they can do in gameplay.
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>>167405698
>A part of me love this meme, but the other will laugh when Sora will be cucked by Riku and Mickey doing the saving.
We'll see.
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>>167407132
He's already lost that because it probably won't be in KH3.
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>>167408110
If Drive Forms are still in why wouldn't that one still be
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>>167408329
Are drive forms in KH3? I haven't seen anything about them.
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Welp beat my record to how long i can stay awake
Almost 30 hours
One of you goobers is gonna have to make the next thread, im taking a nap
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>>167408423
http://gematsu.com/2016/10/kingdom-hearts-iii-screenshots-tease-guard-form-power-form
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>>167408508
Not sure that will be Drive Forms in the way we were used to in KH2.
Judging from the fact that seems to be hercules based and we know the game starts in Olympus Coliseum, he might get "drive forms" at the end of each world.
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>>167408670
https://twitter.com/KINGDOMHEARTS/status/791653741862719488
they're literally Drive Forms though
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>>167408329
every kh3 drive form show only 1 keyblade

drive forms seem to be more about keyblade transformations this time
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>>167408724
Eh. That's just the twitter guy saying that. The American twitter guy. That's like layers of potential misunderstandings.
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>>167406362
I can't wait for KH3 just to see who was right and who was wrong on the Guardian. Because I've seen at least 6 ideas from you fucks.
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>>167408862
Last I checked they said that it was on the JP Twitter too.
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>>167410705
Well the Guardian can't be a heartless because Terranort uses it against Aqua.
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>Watching back cover
>Good lord these guys are bad at their jobs
>Tell unicorn guy to be a good leader and to listen to his fellow foretellers, he ignores them all to study the fucking book then alienates them further by saying one of them is a traitor

>Tell bear guy to support unicorn guy since he's kinda got tunnel vision syndrome
>Instead bear guy tries to start a coup and lets his jealousy of unicorn guy lead his violent actions

>tell snake lady to be neutral, spy on everybody but act as a mediator so that everyone gets along
>Ignores everyone to be Unicorn guy's snitch

>tell fox lady that everything's fucked and to get all the worthy keybladers out of harems way

>does just that then just starts slaughtering other keybladers

>tell cheetah to trust nobody
>cheetah tries to make everybody play against each other, gets beaten like a scrub for it

>tell only non-animal themed student to take his eye blade and luggage and fuck off
>student does just that, but comes back, shows off eyeblade to trick another foreteller into triggering the war

I still don't understand how it escalated to that point that all the foretellers just decided to kill one another along with their unions. It's like they were all wrapped up in their own asses to see that they were the betrayers all along, they started the war, they let darkness win because they slaughtered each other out of hatred while using the excuse of "defending the light"
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>>167411606
Ava was cute though.
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>>167412268
I hate her the most actually, she finds out about the missing page, she finds out about Luxu and she finds out about Invi and she still can't find the courage to at least call everyone together to sort this shit out? She's also the direct cause of the keyblade war since all of these dumbfucks are so into the books, hearing the bell toll,just like in the book just immediately set their minds to "Whelp, gotta murder my friends" In fact, this whole mess could of been resolved with some basic communication skills, Why do they so arrogantly calling themselves "Foretellers" anyway when they don't foretell shit? They just read from a book, confirm to their own personal opinions on what it means and act as if they're correct. It's like "Maybe I'm wrong." "Maybe the master is wrong" never once crossed these idiots minds.
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https://youtu.be/hYADHpmvong
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>>167412807
i'm surprised literally zero of the most powerful warriors in the universe didn't think that their master was an insufferable jackass

because holy shit noctis on adderall is intolerable
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>>167412807
But it's okay because she's cute.
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>>167412894
>xion kicking her leg like a dog being scritched after being touched by roxas
gets me every time
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>>167411606
devil books that can see the future are real bad and those guys would have been better off if they'd just burned the thing
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>>167410705
I stand with Lingering Will becoming Terra's heartless. Leave my fanfiction alone.

>>167412939
To be fair, Aced was trying to bring that point but you can see how it works out for him.
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>Bret Iwan
>He gave his first full performance as Mickey Mouse for the English version of the PlayStation Portable game Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep
i was wondering why new mickey sounded so shitty, such an auspicious start to his career
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>>167413932
Mickey Mouse has always sounded like shit. Ever since 1929.
His voice is like rubbing your dick on a cheese grater.
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>>167414638
yeah but i liked that familiar dickgrater
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>>167413556
Sora and his friends definitely would of torched the fucking thing or thrown it away. Not even lawful always Aqua would want something that would make her kill her friends.

>>167413779
>To be fair, Aced was trying to bring that point but you can see how it works out for him.
Yeah, everybody was too much on the master's dick to ever dare question him or even think for themselves. Meanwhile Aced does everything wrong. Remember this

>"How dare Ira say there's a traitor among us! We're all comrades!"
>"Gula how can you leave our alliance! We haven't found the traitor yet!"

What a raging dick, should of gave him the bull as an animal instead of the bear.

Still, good lord is Gula a pussy, tries to kill the guy after he'd just got down fighting off him plus 2 others alone, gets smug, gets beat down and has to have the weakest of the foretellers save his ass by using the power of moe.
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>>167415070
>weakest of the foretellers

Eh we really don't know how the foretellers measure up to each other.
We can only infer that Aced is the strongest.
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does anyone encounter slow down during the opening movie? i'm on ps4 pro by the way.
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>>167415306
Ira is stronger and Aced knows this
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>>167415353
I don't know which opening movie you're referring to but I didn't experience slowdown on any of them on ps4 pro.
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>>167415306
Ira
Aced
Invi
Gula
Ava

You could even say the protagonist is up there with them considering the poor lad had to fight them all back to back because they were so focused on killing everything that wasn't them at the time. I'm certain that Ira and Aced were the last two standing with Gula and Invi being the first to die. Avi I somehow doubt died in that battle. She can do illusions and the master even told her to not get in any battles. I honestly don't get why she didn't just take her union and leave this shit but nope, just saved a few and let her other members die for nothing
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>>167415732
how'd all these fucks die without spawning heartless/nobodies
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>>167415940
When were you under the impression that they didn't? We saw it in the mobile game, dying keybladers hearts going up into the sky, their hearts probably became part of Kingdom Hearts
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someone make a new thread
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>>167412939
I think Luxu knew. Too bad we can't hear his tone in his conversation with Ava but he didn't seem too interested. Hell he told Ava the whole truth which seemed to trigger her inner genocide (which he didn't know it would).

I mean Nomura says he's a lot like the master except his more introspective.
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>>167416765
I'm pretty sure Luxu knew. Why else would he summon the master's keyblade to show off to Ava who was already hostile to him? There's even a shot of him looking over the keyblade graveyard after the genocide battle ended.
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>>167416293
DONE

>>167416957
>>167416957


>>167416959
He explicitly can't know otherwise he might be able to cause a temporal paradox. I'm sure he knew a war was coming but he probably wasn't sure Ava would go full genocide.
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>>167415940
Well for one, you don't die when you spawn heartless and nobodies.
You only die when the soul leaves the body.
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