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>Warden is exclusive
>but you get Morrowind
>but it is 40 buckaroos
>but it is an expansion
>but those who didnt have the game can buy 60 bucks digital edition

I'm conflicted senpai

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>>167124764
You get $20 off the Physical CE if you are an Amazon Prime member!

Sounds like tomorrow they are going to have a more in-depth road ahead for 2017 so maybe hold off and see that.

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Just posting skeleton

What's the point of having crowns, why can't I buy everything in ESO straight from my wallet if they're going to let in game content on the in game store. The point of crowns is to be a hard currency, which is a translation of our real world money. The fact I can't spend my in game currency on in game content is ridiculous.

>>167124670
An entire new addition! Did you hear that goyim?

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>>167125084
necromancy fucking when

>>167124791
>You think this could be fixed by by just turning each of the three skill sets of each class into some kind of tank/heal/dps focused set, or having tank/heal/dps morphs for more skills?
This is the case, it's just that some classes are plain better. If some Metamage test and finds out there's a 5% gap between NB and Sorcs under absolute optimal conditions you bet your ass people are going to play sorc even if they never ever will be good enough to notice the difference anyway.

>>167124478
>https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/315794/pts-patch-notes-v2-7-3
>Not https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317156/pts-patch-notes-v2-7-4/p1

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For people who didn't see it live
https://www.twitch dot tv/videos/118749355

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>>167124764
40 bux isn't bad for an expac, and it looks like a geniunely huge amount of content considering they literally took TES: III's heightmap and tweaked it to work in ESO's engine.

New people getting a package deal that's cheaper isn't exactly unusual either. That's how every MMO does things. To the exiswting player it seems, at first, unfair, but no one, not even Blizzard, is going to be able to sell their shit to someone if they have to throw down $100+ just to get into the game.

Plus it's a viewpoint that ignores that the time you've already been playing has value. You might have thrown down sixty dollary dos two years ago and that's two years of playtime that a new player didn't get and can never get.

>>167125393
That's a problem with MMO communities in general is that whatever on paper is the best people flock too regardless of the fact they aren't even close to matching the simulated performance of that class.

Meta is created by the 1% players and everyone else blindly follows it.

>>167125393
>They keep fucking around with Backlash when the only thing that can save the class is changing the garbage passives
I'm becoming real jaded desu

>orcs will never be buffed because no one likes them
o-orc bros for life

Why is my game so hideous ? I have everything maxed but shadows, and the aliasing is out of hand, graphics are also shimmering like crazy
What do

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>>167125686
Also google "Hook64"

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What would Zennimax have to do to make Warden's healing skill tree on par to the Templar dominated healing meta? I'm very interested on making my healer into a warden

>>167125978
Why is this hidden in the settings? Thanks anon

>>167125527
I want this Xpac merely to see Vvardenfell with modern graphics since its such an aesthetic area

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>tfw got a little rowdy the other day because I saw guild advertisements popping up in the public chat all the time and I started mocking them
>tfw got permanently banned for hate speech and child endangerment

At least now I can buy the morrowind edition with all the dlc

>>167126035
>What would Zennimax have to do to make Warden's healing skill tree on par to the Templar dominated healing meta?
A class-exclusive way to return resources and a class cleanse. Shards and Ritual are the two skills making Templars such strong healers.

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>>167125978
But anon my pc will die with those settings on
I just want a "decent" anti aliasing but most of all I would want my game to stop scintillate
I'll try editing my .ini but I did not see anything regarding the graphics scintillating problem

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>>167126462
Goddammit Ramza
It's you right?

>>167125143
Can the dlc not be bought with crowns?

People on Xbox got a whole shit load of free crowns so that might be why.

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>>167126462
>a little rowdy
kek

>>167126462
>Permanent ban
>For that
Wew lad

[USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST]

>>167126934
>Can the dlc not be bought with crowns?
Nope

>>167125527

People seem to forget that back in the day with EQ and WoW, you had to toss down your $50 every time a new expansion came out. Sure, the price went down over time, but if you started playing EQ with planes of power, you had to buy the base game, kunark, velious, and I think one other before you could see the new content.

Same with wow. If you started with cataclysm, you still had to buy the base game, burning crusades, and lich king at $30 - $50 a pop.

>>167125664

Represent.

>>167127082
That doesn't make it a reasonable model

So do I get the dlc for free as an ESO subscriber or do I have to fork out more?

>>167127196
They want more money.

>>167127082
>>167125527

People aren't pissed due to the price but because it's "just" a big DLC and as such should be included in ESO+ unless they go ahead and update the description to only include most DLC's.

>>167127196 This >>167124670

>>167127250
You're joking? I'm not paying how ever much the price is in australian dollars for a rehash from these lazy pricks.

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>>167127196

>>167127183

>To see content, you had to buy the expansion pack the content is in
>When new expansions are released, older expansions are reduced in price

Still not seeing the problem. Why spend the resources making tons of new content if you can't gain the cost back with the initial sales, then make your profit on the back end with subs?

>>167127267

I'm expecting them to include smaller DLC for morrowind and make that fall under the ESO+ access model, which is fine by me. Buy the base game, ESO+ gives you access to that DLC.

>>167126764
Nope not me. I'm somebody else.

>>167127348
>Why spend the resources making tons of new content
It's not new if it's available as a stand alone game that's part of the actual canon and main series and only $5.

>>167127082
My only problem with this expansion is that I can't use my crowns. What's the point of them if I can't use it to buy in game content, I already have zennimax the money let me use it.

Where do I go to join the other autists grumbling at ZOS?

>>167127571
You're already there

>>167127571

Main forums, reddit, here.

>>167127453
You forget that they have to redesign everything right? You can't just copy and paste due to continuity.
>>167127626
Welcome

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I like the design of the Telvanni stuff. Looks a lot like the original concept art.

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>>167127453
>Vaardenfell set 700 years before the events of TES:III is the same as in Morrowind with all the same content
>and definitely not altered in any way and filled with content that reflects the times\
>just ignore that missing ghost fence and the fact that the entire reason for TES:III's plot is still asleep
wew lad

>>167127708
It looks so much more gross than it did in Morrowind. I love it.

>>167127695
>>167127750
>already been to morrowind and zos could never do it justice
>all those other provinces we've never been to

It looks like they've been forced to do morrowind because beth plans on doing the others. I wouldn't mind that. ESO is the red headed stepchild afterall.

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>Saw stream
>Get nostalgic
>Want to replay morrowind
>Look for my install discs
>Can only find disc 2 and 3, not disc 1
>MFW

>>167127950
Dude piracy lmao

>>167128041
this

>>167127885
Bethesda will not make another single player game. The push for Morrowind is only there as an attempt to extract a few additional neetbux from the audience before they officially put the idea to rest early next year.

>>167128041
>>167128074

It's nostalgia. I still have my guidebook for the game of the year edition on my bookshelf.

How hard is Maelstrom arena

>>167128170
source?

>>167128213
That sucks man. Find the disc at all costs. Keep the collection together

>>167128289
Normal mode isn't very difficult, Veteran is soul-crushingly hard the first time, and even afterwards, because there's so much bullshit that will fuck you up even knowing the mechanics.

>>167128319
Autism

>>167128360

Yeah, have a feeling it got split up between boxes. Have boxes at my parents place, boxes that I put into storage when I moved, and more that I brought with me when the GF and I moved. Thought I kept it all together, just need to do some searching.

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>>167127885
>zos could never do it justice
Before I played this game I would've agreed with you anon. After it, I feel like ZOS is better at doing places justice than Bethesda is.

They have a lot bigger emphasis on all those little touches that help with immersion and making a place feel right. You find little scenes and stories - not even always quests - playing out all over the land, little touches like beast races having unique skeletons and even orcs getting unique skulls that have tusks.

It's funny because I know a lot of ZOS' core is former Bethsoft employees, but maybe that's why. Maybe they're all the guys who worked on Oblivion and earlier who actually gave a fuck.

>>167128525
>skeletons and even orcs getting unique skulls that have tusks.

Skyrim had the skeleton of a pregnant woman with the skeletal fetus still in her womb.
That was pretty cool.

Personally, I don't get a TES feeling from the game. It's missing the spark that each of the others except Arena had.

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>you will never be a lady orcs one night stand and day after mistake

>>167128525
Also transcription error. And all the added extras that have no place in a TES game and ruin the immersion.

>>167128525
>people working on oblivion
>giving a fuck

>>167128787
Early to Mid 2000s were a wild time for 3D animation

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>>167128754
>you'll never revert back to shotadom and proceed to dom her

Hey guys, what really ruins the immersion for you in this game. For me, it's the mounts. The storm atronach mounts, nightmare, etc.

>>167128939
Everything that retcons and contradicts the actual lore.

>>167129018
>Actual lore
Nice try

>>167129069
Main series lore trumps any spin-offs lore.
>redguard
>battlespire
>all the TES legends games for mobile
Heck the books weren't canon until they referenced them in the game.

>>167124670
bums, but still preordering anyway, i want that neat bear skin for the Warden class

any ideas whether the physical edition will contain the full game or would it only be the vanilla version and have to download every single patch?

>>167129018
Examples? They have a clean slate to work with here, everything they do will probably be referenced in some way by the future games just to solidify it's legitimacy.

*erects the spine of pleasure*

>>167129443
Best example is the "transcription error" garbage.
Cyrodiil was a tropical jungle that Talos turned into what we see in Oblivion.
ESO comes out and changes all that. Apparently it was never a jungle, and the books saying so were a "transcription error".

Another is the architecture of the Altmer. It's meant to be reminiscent of butterfly wings with spires of glass and shit. What is it in ESO? Shitty imperial looking structures.

Someone must have the image that talks about most of the incorrect implementations of the lore into the game.

>>167129416
None of the editions available (digital and physical) currently contain everything so if they stick with this sort of day to day operations then no, they won't.

>>167129632
I never thought that the jungle part made sense to me, looking at where this place is located and the climate patterns in Oblivion, the jungle molded into a flat land by Talos' dragon sound like baloney.

>>167129865
Talos achieved Chim which makes sense.
He can shape the world to his design and nothing can stop him.

What cracks me up is that the player housing contains a Cyrodilic Jungle House.

>>167129185
Everything in ESO is canon, and predating the rest of the series in the timeline, trumps the rest.

Sorry famalam.

>>167130116
Where's Howards comment stating such?

>>167129945
Ok, I actually never knew this. I thought it was his Dragon that personally reshaped the land, but still having Cyrodiil a jungle doesn't make sense geographically. And the jungle house is placed in a Imperial town in Malabar Tor.

hi /tesog/, long time fan of tes series since daggerfall when i was younger, saw the news of morrowind expansion pack and got hyped for new content based on it, so i want to try eso

ive heard its basically a single player game that plays like an mmo, is this true? i'm super casual and can't commit 60 hours a week to do anything interesting like in Legion for WoW

is this a good time to jump in and would I lose anything significant in being mostly solo with sparse/random hours to log in?

and which version to buy? there are 100 different versions seemingly with dlc packs and season passes and all sorts of shit

>>167130615
>and which version to buy? there are 100 different versions seemingly with dlc packs and season passes and all sorts of shit

Buy the base game and then buy a subscription. That way you get everything available as none of the versions comes complete. The over $120 version is missing one of the dlc.

>>167130615
This is a mmo that plays like a mmo.
Star Trek Online is a mmo that plays like a sigleplayer.

You'll need to run around and do group activities if you want to really enjoy everything the game has to offer, but casual play won't hinder/limit you at all

>>167130615
It plays pretty well for a single player game. The game is pretty forgiving for someone who wants to play it casually. If you ever want to get serious, the game gives you a lot of ways to change up your skills and builds, so you really can't screw anything up.

I would recommend checking out the game for sure, and you can just start with the basic version. After you get through hundreds of hours of content and want more, you can then buy the DLCs.

>>167130832
what is the gold edition ($59 aud) missing? i understand that morrowind will be a seperate buy 6 months from now but thats completely fine

>>167131043

Gold edition has all of the DLC except for the Hist dungeons, which you wouldn't get into until the 40's at earliest on your first run. Gold comes with the base game, dark brotherhood, thieves guild, orsinium, and cyrodil.

>>167131043
>Base game
>Imperial City
>Orsinium
>Thieves Guild
>Dark Brotherhood
>Palomino horse mount
>500 crowns to spend in the in-game Crown Store (for new accounts only)

Still missing the Hist DLC. Same as every other edition we have available in Aus.

I bought the base game for $15 from EB games, then bought the sub which gave me access to everything on-top of 2000 crowns.
All that for $30.

>>167131294

They have sales from time to time on the gold edition. Picked mine up during the holiday sale for $30 USD.

>>167131294
doesn't the sub only allow access to the dlcs/other content during the time you're subscribed?

>>167128939
shitty names

>>167131416
Yeah and 1500 crowns free a month.
If you don't like the dlc or don't like the game then you didn't waste any money, all you need is to end the sub.

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Morrowind release trailer has piqued my interest.

Before I buy, I need to know, is it worth it? Or am I essentially paying for standard run of the mill MMO fare that I can get playing a free one?

Be honest

>>167131525
well gold edition is like $5 extra over standard+1 mo sub and always can come back to it without ever paying again
feels good man

>>167132031
buy cheapo base game and find out for yourself

>>167132073
You miss out on the infinite storage space for crafting mats which is arguably the best bonus from a sub.

It all really depends if you have the money and feel it's worth the price.
I know so far I haven't enjoyed the DB dlc but the others might just warrant a purchase.

>>167132090
>Is this worth buying
>Buy it and find out anon!

I think you might be selling the game to him wrong kek.

>>167132460
A prawn pizza from Dominoes is more expensive than the base game.

Now tell me is $18 for something you'll poop out i a few hours worth more than $15 that you can enjoy for months?

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For Bone-lad

Also approved Addons list :^)

>>167132460
Eh I sorta see where he's coming from

>>167132884
Right... but I can also enjoy a free MMO for months. My question is more of a 'is it any different from other mmos' is there anything that makes it worth spending cash on over the free MMOs I can go and download now.

If you like the game so much surely you can tell me some things that make it worth dropping cash on to be free for life after that. Something that would make me choose it over a completely free to DL and play one.

I mean if you don't feel like expanding on it, that's fine. Figured this would be the place to ask if anywhere.

It's just I've been burned before with MMOs, as I'm sure you all have.

>>167129648
>Cyrodiil was a tropical jungle that Talos turned into what we see in Oblivion.

This is bullshit and you know it. If Talos actually did it then *everyone* in Morrowind wouldn't have said that Cyrodiil was a jungle since Talos must have changed it before Morrowind took place.

>>167132460
Well it's a shitty place to ask at since everyone here enjoys the game (more or less).

>>167133260
It's almost like Zenimax would change the lore to suit engine limitations... what a crazy concept.

>>167133140

You're missing Voltans fish fillet.

>>167133191
>is it worth spending money on

It's what you expect for an MMO, the only draw is that it feels more 'explorey' like than a typical MMO.

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soon jpg tfw shit australian internet

what should i do when i start, any newbie tips?

>>167133378
retard

>>167133360
No one responds on /v/ or just automatically say it's shit, because it's fucking /v/. Where do you want him to ask, YouTube comments section?

>>167133191
Sorry, was trying to be a joker.
Anyway tbqhwy, I'm quite biased against this game. I enjoy it because it gives me more TES but it's in no way, shape or form anything I'd advise somebody to drop a shitload of cash on unless they were dead certain they'd enjoy it which is the conundrum you're in.

To give you some basis as to how I gauge the enjoyment i get from eso is to compare it to other MMOs i've enjoyed the most which are EQ 1, EQ 2, SWG and Ultima Online.

For positives I'd say ESO is active, has an average mmo community, has a great world that feels more alive than it ever has in the sp games and if you're on console, plays almost exactly like skyrim.

On the other hand the quests are generic and dull, the classes are nothing inspiring and the combat mechanics are something I'm still getting used to.

>>167133737
How am I wrong? Oblivion/Skyrim both take huge liberties from earlier titles because they couldn't match in-game lore with what they wanted out of the fucking shitty ass engine. Skyrim's capital has a population of like 12 people.

>>167133191
It's the best MMO I've ever come across, and I've come across ALOT of MMOs.
>Comfy as fuck
>Great art style (beats out all asian-shit with this alone)
>Tons of skills to use, only a few class specific ones
>Endless advancement, even with a level cap in place, always a reason to get more experience
>Quests are great
>EVERYTHING is voice acted. Everything.
>Great voice acting
>Group content is fun
>Tons of achievements, none of which are locked to you (No bullshit like "Complete the hardest raid the week it releases")
>PvP can have its moments, but everyone ends up being some manner of cancer anyway
>All armor can be dyed with color dyes unlocked from achievements
>All DLC so far hasn't really caused damage to or made irrelevant normal overworld zones (Completely unlike WoW, for example)
>Loads of players and more by the day
>Also an RP community if you like that
>Can be a member of 5 guilds at once
>Goodbye, bedroll
The list goes on desu

>>167133827
To be even more brutally honest, the only reason I've stuck with it is because none of the other MMOs available to me have an active community on this site.

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>>167133947
>Goodbye Bedroll literally the name of my guild

>>167133191
Just play WoW, it's free :^)

>>167133947
>>Goodbye, bedroll
>>167134016
Is this an ESO meme?

>>167133398
I probably don't fish enough, but a good suggestion nonetheless

>>167134072
When you examine an object it creates a chat pane and the "exit" is always Goodbye.

>Examine a Bedroll
>Gives a little blurb
>Technically you are saying Goodbye to leave.

Wish I saved the image.

>>167133947
>Quests are great
Not trying to be a dick or a shitter but when does this happen?
I've just finished Stonefalls and i was underwhelmed beyond belief.

Orsinium so far is a blast though

>>167134072
Yes. Many object interactions are all done in dialogue menus, and all dialogue at all times has an option to say goodbye.
Even to things where it makes no sense to say goodbye to them. Like the bedroll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmDDkmTUtYc

>>167134072
>>167134139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmDDkmTUtYc

>>167134139
>>167134176
>>167134201
never noticed, thanks anons

>>167134176
>>167134201
Oh shit perfect.

>>167134175
DLC stories are sadly much better than the base game, the main campaign is honestly the worst questline of all. Guilds are good overall and some of the regions have decent side missions.

>>167134271
Good to know. I'll keep trudging on then

>>167134175
They've been getting better at their jobs as time goes on, at this rate Morrowind(tm) is set to be epic.

>>167134357
If we don't get any Morag Tong i'll be heart broken.
Their take on the classic evil assassins guild trope is refreshing even to this day.

>>167133714

Read up on class differences, what kind o fbuild you want to go for. Some classes have better class skills and passives for certain things.

>>167134435
Did you watch the trailer? Our Guide in Vvardenfell is a Morag Tong assassin and its heavily involved in the story.

>>167133827
>>167132884

Isn't it like 10 bucks or something?

>>167134504
I never watch trailers. Hype is never lived up to.

>>167134663
Lmfao it's 30 on official site

Cdkeys dot com tho. You're welcome

>>167134663
The base game? If you can find it in australia for $10 jump on it.

If you meant pizza? Then nah, prawn is very expensive. A pepperoni is $5 but a cheese pizza with prawns is still $18.

>>167134673
It's a cinematic trailer what are you expecting from it besides something enjoyable to watch.

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>>167125301
With Elder Scrolls Online: Oblivion.

Is preorder bonus works for steam version?

>>167134837
Get out of here Todd.
Do you feel like they called it Morrowind cause the average player wouldn't recognize Vvardenfell at a glance?

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>>167134743
>was gonna call your bluff

Well..fuck...
Lmfao Zenimax.

>>167134925

Probably.

>>167134904

Not sure. If you have an amazon prime account, word is that they'll put up their preorder soon, so you can get your discount on it.

>>167135001
It's already up for the Physical Collectors Edition and its $20 off with Prime.

>>167134940
>someone, somewhere actually paid this much to play this game

>>167135041

Ah, groovy.

Wonder how digital preorders/collectors will work.

>>167134765
To get hyped up.
I hate hype. I'm a no fun allowed type of guy

>>167135084
I preordered the Imperial Edition before launch.

>>167133140
thanks again

so theres only 4 classes but due to race/weapon/class skills you can create a ton of different builds?


when i played wow, i always was a tank that statted/talented/geared for high dps, competing with lower actual dps classes. Is there a combination like that for eso that allows me to tank and still put out a decent rate of damage for solo content/group content?

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>>167134837
>Elder Scrolls Online: Oblivion
>Implying you wouldn't play a game set in Colovia where you're joining an group of underground rebels lead by a former mananaut who want to take you on expeditions into pocket realms of Oblivion to get his buddies home and make Colovia great again.

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>>167135084

>Implying $60 isn't the norm for a new game

>>167135150
There's Stam, Mag and Health+Stam/mag combos
so 4 x 3 gives you the amount of classes available.

>>167126764
According to Ramza he doesn't browse the general, the edgy cunt.

>>167135150
Yes but you may get shit for not being a tank buffing everyone else. But that's only something people will bother with once you reach maximum autism and no fun allowed.

>>167135150
Dragon Knight is the "go-to" tank. With the next update Frost Staffs will work as tanking weapons so you might be able to try more builds out that are magicka focused for higher damage vs Sword/Shield.

>>167135183
In Aus it's $90-100 for brand new.

>>167135150

Well, best tanks for high end content are DK's due to class skills (spiked armor combined with the medium armor skill shuffle makes for incredible suitability) as well as a class based AoE snare. They also have self heals and other buffs, and with some ultimates are unkillable for a period of time. While soloing, I can pretty much clear all content, though slowly, and some stuff is still very hard since I have no AoE with my tank build.

I also have an alt that is a nightblade saptank. Night blades have a ton of skills where they sap health from their targets and take it for themselves, and get abilities that do tons of damage when the enemy is at 25% health or lower. I really love my sap tank, but at higher levels no one wants to take them on content because of MMO minmax logic. Bu for fun with my guild, we have a blast. Some mechanics that do tons of damage still make for close calls, but my self healing lets the healer buff more and help the group.

That's my experiences, since I haven't done a sorc or templar tank yet.

>>167135307

Your fault for living on an island with literal nazis controlling what entertainment you can receive and what your taxes are.

>>167135442


is there a large disparity in classes/roles like in wow where for every 1 tank there are 1000 dps running around?

if i go some ranged dickass nightblade, will i be struggling to find someone to tank/heal my group content?

>>167134940
What the fuck could they possibly offer for $60? haha

Fuck it, bought standard edition on steam.

>>167135307
You also make a lot more on average per hour than Amerifats. Deal with it or move.

>>167135554
>is there a large disparity in classes/roles like in wow where for every 1 tank there are 1000 dps running around?
Yes
>if i go some ranged dickass nightblade, will i be struggling to find someone to tank/heal my group content?
Yes (assuming you're not a nightblade tank or healer)

>>167135554

There will always be more DPS classes. But, since you can slot whatever weapons you want, there is less disparity. I actually run a restoration staff on the back bar of my saptank, so I can regen magicka and cast heals over time on myself, and I can heal regular public dungeons in a pinch if i have to.

>>167135703
Cost of living evens it out.
We get paid more but everything costs more.

But let's stop the /pol/ talk

>>167135606
It's base game + DLC's except Hist Dungeons cause that released after.

>>167126764
>>167127423
CARL?

So, to people buying the game, some recommendations.

>Start game, find a class you enjoy, don't worry about minmax bullshit
>Enjoy the story, you'll be able to go through each factions story on one character
>When you hit 50 (max level) you start earning champion points
>These points go into a whole new skill tree
>Level up your main to get high champion points
>Those champion points can be used on your new alts to improve them, and let you level up alts incredibly fast
>Bonuses from champ points can be more crit, better regen for your stats, reduction in stats for skills, better defense, better treasure, more experience crafting, etc.
>Try different class roles out
>Make a magplar or magsorc for clearing out trash mobs in imperial city for telvar stones to bank for your characters
>Make a gankblade for PvP
>Make a healer or a tank, just give it a whirl
>You can respec easily in main cities, 100 gold per skill point, so nothing is permanent
>Have fun

>>167135794
Hist was released months before Gold, they were just being as Jewish as can be

>>167135731
cool, so would rolling an argonian nightblade with the hope of being a sort of leech tank be a good idea? it sounds rad as hell

>>167136136
Imp and Argos are best stam tanks.
Right FAQ anon?

>>167136136

Well, as an argonian, your racial passives give you:

>+15% experience with restoration staff
>+Max health
>+Max magicka, and when you drink a potion you get all 3 stats back

So yes, they will make a good sap tank, since sap tanks use both magicka and stamina abilities. Just remember, abilities that use stamina will scale off of your stamina, and the same for magicka. Its possible to put all of your points into stamina for the one hand a shield abilities (which are awesome), and just use magicks regen gear to keep your magicka up for your sapping skills.

>>167136076
Oh whoops my bad honestly thought it was different timing.

>>167136136

Mine is a Khajit, so I got racial bonuses to health/stamina recovery and crit. But, the differences are small, so roll with what you enjoy.

For a sap tank, definitely keep 2 pieces of medium gear on you, so you level up the medium armor line. The ability at level 22, evasion, is awesome.

Can some kind anon with any free time give me your opinions on this build? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/

>>167136541

>Burning Spell Weave will be one of the best gear sets for magicka after the next patch by a small margin
>Rest looks pretty standard
>Will be hard to start with, since you'll have shit magicka pool and regen until you trait it and get gear
>Don't get too attached to anything, patch can always change it, but roll with it

>>167136710
Cheers mate, this is much appreciated

>>167136541
Looks pretty good, but I've noticed a lot of tanks have opted out of running igneous weapons, so if you wanted to support the team and they aren't already running major sorc/brut it might be an option over entropy.
Also depending on your healer, elemental drain is a must have. If they aren't running it you should be.

I'd wait until homestead drops to finalise your build though; I think banner is getting a nerf along with other things, so you should at least go through the patch notes

>>167136962
Also much appreciated.

It's this sort of helpful community i've been missing in mmos of late

does nightblade have any sort of aoe farming ability or is that only for templar/sorcerer?

i love just rounding up half the zone and aoeing them all down in order to level up or grind mats

How does loot from corpses and exp distribution work when you're not grouped but still helping or being helped to kill random mobs?

Also is it common or considered good manners to aid players in this way?

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i am liking the game more and more every week

>>167137380

Everyone gets their own drops from mobs. Things like chests, heavy bags, etc. are a free for all.

>>167137419
Awesome. Always felt bad thinking I was pinching other peoples loot.

>>167137290
mag nb can use siphoning strikes for sustain, and path and sap for aoe damage

>>167137473

so they have the abilities for it cool, but hows the damage/efficiency compared to aoe sorc for example?

>>167137786

Sorc is all about the damage, but they will get fucked up right quick.

>>167137786
Damage is good, but stam sorc still has higher damage

>>167137834
Both stam and mag sorc can easily take tons of mobs for AoE. All their DoTs and AoE attacks proc surge which basically keeps you at max health

>>167134925
Yes. And also to hit us right in the feels and use the main theme of the game.

And let me tell you IT JUST WERKED
hit me right in the feels and got me hype

>>167137397
Catman?

>>167138604

You must respect this ones authori-ta.

holy shit orcs are slavs. how did i never see this?

>>167139159
Slavs have asian armor?

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Maybe you guys can help me on a problem I'm having with Advanced UI.

I paste the AUI folder to the Addons folder just like any other addon but I get the following error in-game:
user:/AddOns/AUI/AUI.lua:1: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
user:/AddOns/AUI/AUI.lua:1: in function '(main chunk)'

I even tried using an older version but the exact same issue came up.

>>167139715

Use minion. It takes care of everything for you.

>>167139861
Tried that, seems more like it's an addon manager but I only have 4 addons, not much to manage.

>>167139981

>Only 4 add-ons

You're not doing it right. There are tons of great add-ons that make your life so much better.

>>167139353
you mean mongol

>>167140028
I just got this game and I'll definitely get more but AUI is considered a staple, right? I need this to work if I want to be hardkore like the cool kids.

>>167135606
Pretty sure gold got you a horse, the imperial edition and the ability to make a race on any faction. One of those might of been a preorder bonus though, I forget.

Still not worth!

>>167140028

any addons that help levelling/making shit more efficient?

>>167135183
>Implying EVERY single new game deserves a $60 price tag
t. Ubisoft fanboy.

>>167140171

Ok, use minion.

Get:

AUI
Awesome Info
Harvest Maps
Lorebooks
Lost Treasure
Ravalox Quest Tracker
Undiscovered
Skyshards

Those are basic. For more stuff:

Awesome Guild Store
Dustman
Master Merchant
Multicraft
Rare Fish Tracker
Voltans Fish Fillet

Good to look at depending on what you want to do.

>>167140323

t. two hour late mad response

>>167140412
t. guy trying to bump a thread

>>167140459

t. a noble cause, old boy

how much weapon damage does 10 stamina give?

>1 min 40 sec into the trailer
>PTSD caused by Darkshade 2

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>>167140412
t. newfag crying samefag as his last defense against the mighty trolls.

It was not very effective. Better luck next time, Jimmy!

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newfag here

Any lore on who these peeps actually are or were they just inserts for player characters?

Zombie assassin was badass.

>>167140369
Anther anon here since you were talking about add-on. I have this problem that my frame rate drop after I play certain amount of time and need to reload the UI to reset it, is there anyway to fix this?

>>167141474
Inserts for player characters, if even that. They're "heroes lost in time" or some bullshit like that, doesn't exist or are mentioned outside of the animations.

Something that's too bad because I honestly expected to see them ingame.

>>167141889
drats

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>>167141474
Daily reminder that we'll never get a good set of armor from these 3 twats. They simply exist to remind us how shitty this game truly is.

Who was Naryu talking to during the trailer?

I feel like this Morrowind thing is going to bring a whole lot of bad publicity if they're still running the show like they have been.

I don't think there is a single part of the forums that has a positive outlook on update 13 or the current state of the game. Most people who do more than just quest will probably come to the same conclusion as them.

>>167143194
Homestead doesn't feel like an update honestly, housing feels so secondary but at least its bringing some gameplay changes with it.

Later today they are supposedly going to go over their roadmap for the year since someone brought it up on the forums concerning Q2 and Q4 since Morrowind will be Q3.

Hopefully we got something Q2 that ties into Morrowind and sets the stage and Q4 is a follow up. They didn't release a whole lot of detail about the "Expansion" besides the synopsis blurbs from the livestream so more information on whats coming would also be really nice to see.

>>167142669
Vivec, I suspect.

>>167143194
>>167143342
I'm cautiously optimistic that whatever is revealed will be greeted by the community with more fervor than they are now.

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>>167143342
>Cosmetic pixles doesn't feel like an update honestly
No shit. This is one of the major reasons SWTOR will stay dead: The only """""content""""" the devs ever release are store items.

>>167143535
I feel like they should've thrown the expansion in the crown store at the least. I get not having it added with the subscription cause its "substantial" aka they want more money than just subscriptions. A lot of the fans came after the B2P change so the idea of the expansion vs DLC isn't being conveyed clearly and is leaving a lot of people wondering what the fuck.

>>167143542
People have been begging for housing since launch because apparently decorating an instanced home nobody will see is worthwhile content.

>>167143342
I think a lot of them were expecting a lot more changes to balance than what they got.

They really didn't change a whole lot and half the stuff they did change doesn't make a lot of sense.

And then they made the materials to craft furniture even harder to get and pissed off more people.

>>167143826
Frost Staff tanking makes sense now given that Warden will probably have Frost defensive skills to tie in.

>>167143342
All I give a fuck about for housing is a dps target, I just want to practice my rotations without having to worry about the mob dying within .2 seconds or some other bullshit.

>>167143342
>Hopefully we got something Q2 that ties into Morrowind and sets the stage and Q4 is a follow up.

I can't for my life imagine how they would present that in a way that doesn't make people upset.

>So we will have a DLC alongside Morrowind
>If people who buy Morrowind don't get the DLC included they will bitch at Zenimax for being maximum jews
>If people who buy Morrowind get the DLC people will bitch about how they're breaking up Morrowind and giving scraps to people subscribing, something that's free for anyone getting Morrowind anyway
>If there's no DLC people will get pissed since it will be the first quarter without shit for ESO subscribers and an indication that there never ever will be a DLC as good as Orsinium again because if it is they will just call it an "expantion pack" while throwing in one or two dungeons every quarter to subscribers despite people being annoyed by how little Shadow of the Hist was.

>>167143891
I don't know about that yet but proc set nerf is for them to not critical when the problem is in PvP and everyone wears impenetrable. Or the cost increase to strife out of all things.

There were more that I couldn't help but wonder wtf they are doing.

>>167144160
You raise a good point. I thought they moved away from Orsinium because they didn't want end level PvE stuff tied into DLC? At least that's why I figured TG/DB were both kinda secondary and their skill lines were non-combat.

>>167144205
I don't PvP as much so always get blindsided by those changes.

Guess I better save up those crowns for two more character slots.

Fuck, I'll probably get the collector's edition upgrade. I want that horse armor. But mainly the Morag Tong transmog.

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I'm hyped desu.

This screenshot and all the scared people, plus the talk of Vivec losing his power, makes me think the conclusion (Or big intro) of this DLC will be stopping the meteor from destroying the city.

>>167125527
the lack of dagoth ur
really triggers me
the facility should be there but it's not

>>167143620
>worthwhile content.
I wouldn't call it worthwhile but it does add to the game. It would've been better to have player housing from the launch though.

>>167144280
It's the conclusion, the main quest is literally vivec losing his shit while trying to stop a Domino's® Meateor™ from wiping everyone the fuck out, so *insert PC* pls help.

>>167144276
>transmog

Sorry for the ignorance but what is this?

>>167144723
Still underground at that point. Tribunal used to travel there to recharge every few centuries or so. What we see in MW could be areas of the facility underground during ESO, which revealed due to volcanic activity and time.

Actually I could see a dungeon scenario where we assist the tribunal to penetrate the heart chamber and recharge their powers, maybe Dagoth-Ur, severely under powered is the boss.

>>167145135
Transmog is from WoW and its the ability to wear one piece of armor for stats but use another piece for the appearance.

>>167145180
Ah they brought that out in the final years of SWG.
Neat

>turn off BoW kill camera for first time
fuck me I should of do this ages ago this feels so much smoother than being taken from far-out 3rd person to some fucking 180 rotated dutch angle shit.

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>get slaves win game

i didn't think that would be essential

>>167145351
>not enjoying tapping someones shoulder then stabbing them in the guy 40 times as a silent kill

>>167145570
wrong thread friend.

>>167145616
it still does them animation I just don't get my camera thrown around every time like someone is trying to show me what it like to be in a car crash

>>167129945
Too bad CHIM is just fanfiction.

>>167146931
Anon I can capture the Elder Scroll of Chim, are you saying I'm capturing a piece of fiction?

>>167145119
The cinematic showed it already there, so i'm guessing it's just at risk of falling again.

>>167145351
How do you do it? Is it just in the settings.

>>167147114
An Elder Scroll called Chim > the conceptual fanfic of CHIM. There are flowers called chim on Morrowind, doesn't mean the flowers can fucking bend reality.

>>167148068
Fuck I meant =/= not > shit

>>167141808

Yeah, on my way out the door, but you can change the size of your cached data to make it run smoother. Also, go to your main setting menu, select add-ons, click one to deselect it, then select the box again to relaunch them. Master merchant is very data hungry, so I typically don't run it except for when I am buying or selling.

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>group up with a friend
>change my role to DPS
>DING DING dungeon found your role is : Healer
>complete dungeon, double check role switch it all off and on and queue again
>DING DING dungeon found your role is : Healer
>complete dungeon, disband group, recheck roles, recreate group and queue again
>30 minutes pass, just fucking give up and select Healer/DPS
I got tank for the next dungeon, thought I had been dumb and forgot to turn it off because I switched them all on/off again (it said Tank / DPS when I looked) then after final boss I check again and it just says DPS

any blazing shield users out there, please tell me what kind of build or what do you do to play efficiently with this skill because i love it but it does not work great for me atm and i dont know why

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So, any word about Yagrum coming up?

>2500 crowns for a name change

what the fuck is this horse shit? In like every other mmo that shit is like $10 tops

>>167148547
It's a meme. Let it go.

>>167149447
fuck then what do i do with my altmer templar, i dont wanna play healer

>>167148034
camera settings

>>167148068
Achieving CHIM is the first step on the path to amaranth and apotheosis. Why do you deny what's fact. Talos achieved CHIM. Vivec achieved CHIM. It's real as far as it concerns those characters. Whether it's just a characteristic for them in particular or is possible by all is up for debate.

>>167149880
Why not? I need someone to clean my ass.

>>167150304
That's what the khajit are for n'wah

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>>167149880
use that beam

>>167149880

Magplar farmer.

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>>167147114
Jesus Christ, it's also a word. Ever heard of Chim-el Adabal?

>>167150693
explain please

>>167150882
it was a joke

>>167150916

>Make aoe heavy build
>Go to imperial city
>Pull huge groups and burn them down for telvar stones
>Get shit from the chests, hopefully motifs
>Sell for boku no pico dollars

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>>167150984

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>>167151156
When people found out there was an Elder Scroll of Chim there was a metric load of shitposting regarding how CHIM was being treated in ESO.

Any1 on PC EU want to glitch farm last CoH1 boss?

>>167143194
If the game sucks the people have a right to know!

>>167151109
Julianos?

>>167152094
>>167143194
The best way to describe the endgame combat mechanics and loot system is a uncut diamond in the hands of a amateur craftsman, there nonetheless a diamond under there but it's getting hacked at with chisel by untalented hands.

so warden will be a class based around pets right? but pet ai is so shit in this game?

>>167125978
I did this and it changed nothing, I don't see any difference in textures, I even screenshoted the same place and compared the screenshots and I can't see any difference.
Also the guide says that the shadows are not the in-game setting yet I already had it on in .ini even though I never touched it before.

>>167152528
It will be based around pets as much as sorc is based around pets which means you can totally ignore it if you want and yes pet ai is shit as fuck.

They are buffing pets so hard next week that one of them can do 10k+ pve crits every 2 seconds, that ain't bad but it's probably not going to be practical in open world pvp or vet pve content because it'll still just end up dying all the time. Although saying that, I definitely wouldn't want to fuck with a magsorc pet build next patch in a duel.

>>167150169
And still, not in any game have we heard of Talos nor Vivec using CHIM.

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>You've lived to see CHIMposting make a comeback

>>167153036
I already use the familiar in open world pvp, it's great. Only have him single barred and send him into group for the aoe stun & distract, then switch bars and get some magicka refilled ready to stop being a pest myself and actually fight someone.

You would be surprised how long familiars last compared to clannfears/twilights. I think people just ignore them while the familiars run around biting peoples ankles and stunning groups

>>167153269
36 Lessons of Vivec

>>167153284
Yeah, Volatile Familiar is doing like 5k deeps on PTS and that not even with 55%+ pet dmg if you get Daedric Prey (curse morph)

best race for a DK Tank??

>>167153881

Dunmer, Altmer, Imperial, Argonian, Orc, Redguard

>>167153905
Lay of the crack, senpai
>>167153881
Imperial

>>167154010
i dont have the dlc, what's the second best?

>>167154010
>Lay of the moonsugar, senpai
ftfy

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new eso fag here, how do I get started? is this free? is there a sub option? is it buy once and done? I'm getting conflicting ideas from steam.

>>167154082
Nord or Argonian

>>167154149
b2p, sub optional

>>167154381
what do i miss out on not subbing?

>>167154149
Buy a Key on G2A, gold costs like 23 bucks there
Also whisper one of the guys in the OP to join a TESOG guild. We can help you in-game

>>167154487
Subbing gets you temporary access to all the dlc and the crafting supply bag. The craft bag is probably worth it considering how much crafting shit there is.

>warden will have one dedicated healing, defensive, and dps skill set with nature, frost, and beasts respectively
>templar has one dedicated healing skill set
>DK have one dedicated tank skill set
What if all classes had one skill set dedicated to a role? What would that look like?
>Sorcerer
>>Dark Magic - healing - blood magic passive is stronger and extends to party members, dark conversion is weaker, but has an aoe effect, encase puts minor lifesteal on trapped targets, rune cage changed to put a damage shield on party members
>>Daedric Summoning - defensive - split damage among player and pets, give clannfear a taunt and minor maim, make hardened/empowered ward last longer
>>Storm Calling - dps - more deeps

And similar for the others. Like if NB's siphoning was a lot more about stealing health and resources and giving them to the player and party members, shadow expanding on the shadow barrier passive, and all that. DK could be like a HoT healer to counter their DoT, templars could be heal-tanks and such.

>>167154581
Sorry, message, not whisper

>>167154582
pretty sure if sub runs out all your stuff stay in the crafting bad and you can access it, you just can't put more stuff in, so probably be an idea to just spend months getting all the mats you'll need for the rest of a year or something and then just fuck the sub off.

>>167153905
Dunmer and Altmer DK tanks are complete shit.

>>167154673
They really need something else for subscribers. Something to draw them in.

>>167154957
house get double amount of items you can place, the increased research time ain't bad I think it something like a month or more research time cut off if go for full 9 traits on everything also costume dyeing, a lot of the costume go from shit tier to fucking nice with a bit of dye.

>>167153597
Good boy, now point exactly where it is said that Vivec explicitly used CHIM for something.

just started playing, magicka or stamina dk? which is more fun / better

Are the tel var sets good? and if yes what is good for what?

>>167157552
>Powerful Assault for off-tank PvE
>Reactive Armor / Black Rose for PvP
>Imperial Physique for IC PvP

>>167128213
The moment my classmate in high school showed me the game's manual I immediately gathered all the money I could get to buy the game.
The manual was the best.

im planning on playing a dunmer magicka DK using all those fire skills, a fire mage basically

is this viable for pvp? and dungeons?

>>167130615
Yes it does until you decide to do multiplayer activities like group dungeons and RP'ing as a khajiit argonian.

>>167157120
DK is the best tank, so you may want to consider doing that because it's also quite fun to tank, you actually have to do block, dodge and all that which in past MMOs was like a passive. So I'd recommend stamina.

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I bought the game off of steam 2 years ago but I have yet to officially link my account to steam. I can still buy crowns off of ZoS's website; will I be able to use the code from the collectors edition?

I have so much stuff on my account I don't want to restart but I want the collectors edition stuff

>>167158987
i'd like to know this as well

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>>167125978
>try the Hook64 out
>Even with slightly overclocked i7 6700k and GTX1070 the game runs in 30-40fps in the wild and 20-30fps in the cities
Shame, the game looks fucking beautiful without that ugly fog everywhere. I don't get it though, I disabled every option besides fog removal so why is this such a massive performance hit? Does this also increase the draw distance or something?

Would this game be a gentle first experience for someone who never played any mmo ? well except for Dofus when I was in middle school

Is Vivec the one talking in the begining and end of the Vvardenfell trailer?

>>167162495
You can play the game like a single player game where everything scales to your level.
Casual as fuck game and enjoyable.

>>167162850
Nice, thank you anon

>>167160104
yes cause its still linked to your ZOS account

How do I check my block and magicka cost reduction? I'm tired to calculate everything.

>>167162557
There's no dev confirmation but it's pretty obvious it is given the weird sounding voice, it's been a while since I played Morrowind but I recall the few voice lines he had being processed to sound weird.

Plus Naryu asks him permission to kill the Grandmaster of (presumably) a Great House, and there's few people who can give that sort of permission and he's also telling the Tong to return to Morrowind because it has need of them and any allies they have - and we know Vivec's the key figure in the MQ so it's natural he's the one making that request.

tl;dr, yes

>>167163916
I got the impression that it was the previous grandmaster of the Morag Tong itself that was being hunted down, not a house.

>>167164853
if it was he would've fought back

>>167164913
probably. but that also rules out Telvanni, Redoran and Indoril I'd think, leaving Dres and Hlaalu. probably Dres, given the company.

How the do I get back into this game guys?
My situation:
>Bought XB1 Console launch
>played regularly with two friends who also got it, got a healer to lvl 35 on DC
>they eventually lost the free time for an MMO
>drop for awhile
>come back and restart as a nightblade in EP, get to level 20ish before uni catches up with me and I drop it again.

I feel so daunted with all the changes, there's all this DLC and shit now I wouldnt even know where to begin or what to do. Not sure if I should start a new character or just try to get one of my old ones to 50 or if I should just wait for morrowind

>>167165629
at least get to lvl 50 and then get 160 champion points, itll be a fun ride and all this is achievable in just base game quests

>>167165629
Just roam around and do whatever feels like it'd be fun anon. Check out the beginner's guide in the OP and go from there.

quit ESO about 3 months ago because of frustration with PvP and customer service. just now heard about new xpac. is it worth coming back for it, or is it/will it be still the same?

>>167158987
>>167160445
please respond D:

>>167158987
>>167160445
>>167166495

>using all those fire skills

ALL of them, no. some of them, yes.

>>167166495
Well, i leveled one up recently and enjoy it more than any other class. Good in duels, PvP and decent DPS in dungeons (more than a sorc, actually). But that should be because more experience. Also i tank with it sometimes.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:
»To clarify, we do not plan on raising the gear cap when Morrowind launches in June. We’ll let you know when we plan to raise the gear cap in the future, but it won’t be in Homestead or Morrowind.

>she said when instead of if

>>167166924
will probably be raised in Q3 with dungeon dlc

>>167166617
>some of them
which ones are worth using?
>>167166803
same, what skills did you use mainly during 1 to 50? also what weapons and kind of gear?

>>167166149
Thanks dude that makes sense I was just thinking too much

>>167165930
Ill hop on that breton DC healer then, get him up to lvl 50

Question:

I have base game ESO with no dlc.
If I purchase the Morrowind upgrade for 40$, does that also include the dlc Orsinium, Imperial city, etc?

>>167168090
It's hard to tell, given that the "what you get for each edition" chart on their preorder page has only "Elder Scrolls Online" and "Elder Scrolls Online: Morrowind" under the "games" bit of what's included in the prepurchase.

My money is that no, it doesn't. Gold Edition (with all the DLC) isn't mentioned and if they can squeeze some more GE sales out of players brought in by Morrowind you can bet they will.

>>167166970
I would be beyond pissed if they raised the gear cap. That would negate literally everything I've done in ESO.

How does raising the gear cap even make them money? It's not going to make people buy cosmetics. The same amount of people would still buy their expansions/DLCs/whatever with or without a gear cap increase.

Why invalidate everyone's gear, maelstrom drops, everything?

>>167168090
No. You just get morrowind and the base game, if you want the dlc should get guilds and glory.

I suspect they will lower the price for the older DLCs once more when they release new stuff, like how they bundled all of them into guilds and glory.

>>167168889
kinda like when they raised it from 140 to 160?

It'll happen, people will complain and moan but will get over it like last time

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we wanted a new morrowind
but not like this, never like this

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Hey guys, not sure if you guys are into lore or anything but would i be weird for a Khajiit in this era to live in Valenwood?

>>167169393
That's the image where she had the belt around her breasts and spraying breast milk everywhere right?

>>167169393
Raised and lived is what I mean
>>167169465
Yes

>>167169343
Honestly this version of Morrowind is probably going to be far superior to what garbage Bethesda's main team would spew out.

>>167169337
That was way back in 2015, before vet ranks were removed for the CP system instead. I have like 5 alts who are combat ready, and they'll be useless, like all the CP160 mats I have stored up.

What was the point of grinding vma? What was the point of getting the correct monster helms/shoulders? Utterly wasted effort... the reason why ESO's good in the first place is that the updates are all sidegrades, and you don't have to keep grinding to keep up in gear unlike other MMOs.

>>167169393
No, it wouldn't be.

>>167169393
Given there's places like Marbruk where the Altmer just slapped down an entire Altmeri-style city in the heart of Valenwood? Not weird at all. Hell, there's even some khajiit who live and work in Bosmer villages.

>Leveling first character
>Just following the main quest line for each zone
>Try to do the quests for every point of interest, delve, etc. along the way
>Half way through Rivenspire
>Level 34

I'm averaging 9 levels per zone or so. Will this gravy train continue up until 50? Do champ points level faster or at about the same rate?

Are there no capes or cloaks in this fucking game? I want a damn cloak for my tank.

>>167172145
It'll continue to 50, if not a little beyond. After that you'll get a lot of champion levels from the enlightenment xp bonus but probably not enough to get you to 160. Doing Cadwell's Silver should get you there though

>>167169393
The Baandari outpost is pretty deep in the jungle for the most part, so it's not unlikely.

Guys, I'm level 24 right now, I've been playing Tank since my friend plays a healer, Dungeons are pretty quick to get into because of that.

Is there need for Tanks with end game content? We don't really care much for PvP.

guild bank is full pls restack or remove

>>167172884
there's need, but not always and for everything. a lot of content can be done without tanks, and faster, if your group is good. that's what some groups prefer - to substitute a tank for another dps. doesn't mean that you'll have any trouble finding groups, since I'd wager most PUGs are shit enough that they do need tanks for everything.

>>167173432
That's an interesting problem.

How about a suggestion for the guild bank: New members doesn't get withdrawing powers (the current system), but after staying for some time period (a month?) they get withdrawing privileges, and told to not abuse it?

>>167172485
cloaks are pretty gay