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>Official news
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2017/01/18/homestead-launch-dates
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2017/01/04/crown-store-showcase--january-4th-2017

>Latest ESO Live
https://www.twitch DOT tv/videos/117763621

>Latest patch notes
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/307930/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-11
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/patch-notes

>PTS patch notes
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/311708/pts-patch-notes-v2-7-0-homestead/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/315794/pts-patch-notes-v2-7-3

>Builds and Guides
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WsLK2mOCvIePLUxW_X7CPa7uT072x3FJEzY7yyN1hXA/edit [Begiinner's Guide]
http://pastebin.com/Y9vRAcwm (embed) - Alcast/Deltia Guides

>Online lore, map and general info
http://www.imperial-library.info/
http://esomap.uesp.net/
http://uesp.net/wiki/Online:Online
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com

>UI addons for PC
http://esoui.com/addons.php
http://minion.mmoui.com/

>Assorted links
eso-rp.com
http://esoacademy.com/
http://eso-fashion.com/
http://eso-styles.faerylands.eu/
https://tamrieltradecentre.com/

>Sales and deals
http://www.dlgamer.us/download-the_elder_scrolls_online-pc_games-p-19435.html (authorized reseller)

>/tesog/ Guilds
[PC NA] mail (not whisper) @Geobasket or @the_kyrox for invite
[PC EU] mail (not whisper) @Hatebr33d3r for invite
[PS4 NA and EU] message PSN: kibukj for invite
[XB1 NA] message GT: Arick556x45 for invite

>Platform poll:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10281492

>Discord:
https://discord.gg/ffn6JqN

>Is this game worth playing?
Yes, no, maybe. Inquire within.
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First for shit game.
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>Begiinner's Guide

You cheeky fucker.
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>>Begiinner's
>that OP image
You cheeky memelord.
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Quiz Time!
If you play connect the dots with all the wayshrines in the game, which birth-sign constellation do you end up with?
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>>166875678
No idea. The Thief?
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Haha ERP
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How to taunt?

It's a bunch of enemies, always one escape from me and attack my team mates. God, I'm a shitty tank, I don't know what do to.

;_;
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>>166877623
>group immobilize like Choking Talons
>poke everything with SnB #1
>if something is far away yank it to you with something like Fiery Grip or w/e
ez pz
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>>166877623
play dk, get talons and fiery grip. group everyone up, talon them and ones that get away you use fiery grip to pull them back to you. also pull archers towards you with fiery grip as well
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>>166878579
Nice mullet.
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>>166875678
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>>166879258
always a classic.
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ERP fun haha
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can you replace an enchantment on your gear?
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Closed PC na bank killed this general
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>>166882724

If people could have been responsible adults then it could have stayed open.
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>>166882724
If people weren't such niggers we wouldn't have a closed bank
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>>166882969
>>166882974
what happened?
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>>166882696
Yes
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>>166882724
Why put in things you don't want taken out? Or kick people that take everything constantly?
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>>166883890
A good person to the guild always just deposits shit and very rarely takes, a decent person gives as much as he takes, an okay person takes some but tries to give back what he can, a shit person takes a lot and gives nothing at all, and a cancer to the guild just takes everything

a cancer will also sell things he takes from the guild bank in the same guild store like the dirty little shit he is
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is the launcher broken for anyone else?
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>>166884208
Sure, but you have a guild bank history to kick out the cancer, don't punish the good people because of the cancer's actions.
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>>166884608
okay, let's say the guild bank was open to all

a nig joins and empties the bank because everyone has access

your solution is to kick the nig and let the possibility of this happen again?
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>>166884608
Then y'all have an incompetent/lazy guild leader. Never had a problem with this in all huge normie trading guilds I've had bank access too. I was in the PS4 NA guild for a while, and the guild leader seemed like a cool guy. Bank was always full of good shit as well, and since the guild was pretty dead there was never a problem with people taking everything. Best of luck to all of you in the PC NA guild.
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>>166886425
you've never heard of stories of even normies getting their guild bank robbed? there's these types of people everywhere, especially people from 4chan
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>>166886425
This might be worse on PC if you can create multiple accounts with one copy of the game, on consoles you also need to buy the online service per account to play.
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Haven't looked at the guild bank tools, but in other MMO's that I've played there are sometimes tools that will give guild members access to only certain sections of the bank, or a limit of how many items that can be withdrawn a day. Anything like that here?
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>>166887384
Unfortunately not, I don't think you can even see what items are in the guild bank without withdraw permissions
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>>166886425
Every large guild that I have joined has bank access only to trusted members. You honestly don't see the risks of giving access to everyone in your guild?

>>166887495
You can see what's in the guild bank. You usually ask someone that has access to it to withdraw something for you
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>>166884410
Yes, it freezes up my game when I try to play. I have to use the eso64.exe and bypass the launcher.
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Sometimes I think the game hates me.
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What did you guys put in the US bank anyway? The EU one is basically nothing but green recipes and mercenary motifs.
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>>166889569

Did manage to get it, though it took a few minutes. Had to jump just right, then zoom the camera in and out and angle it to be able to interact with the chest.
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>>166889648
Reminds me of those artefacts you could collect in swtor and gw2, always hidden behind jumpman stuff.
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>>166887360
What? I made multiple fake accounts so I could have my own guild bank.
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>>166890590
Well that's fine, I meant people making a new account after getting banned from a guild to get back in
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>>166890668
Oh. Thought you meant you couldn't. My bad.
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>Want to play
>Don't want to deal with weird guy in social guild
>Doesn't matter when I log in, he's always there
>As soon as you get in, asks you to get in vent
>Starts to ramble about bullshit every time
>Like everyone else in the guild but him
>Guy is a top tier DPS due to autism, so they don't want to lose him
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>>166887939
>mfw withdraw access to 50m+ guild bank
I don't how some of these GMs do it, literally could take 1% tax out of some of these banks and never have to grind for cash again.
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>>166891487

Some get off on the power, some just want to do whats best for the guild. Some just love the game.
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>>166884398
That took so long that I was getting worried!
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>Log in
>Immediately see this in chat
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>>166883571
Some fag started taking a shit ton of things. Before that happened people would pretty much take something out and put something in. But from having 450+ items in the guild bank we dropped to ~140.
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>>166883571
>>166889614
We used to have plenty of motifs, gear to deconstruct, for leveling or sets, plenty of mats and I even saw some legendary crafting items here and there. As well as stacks of high cp food.

But thankfully since the bank got closed I've seen some growth and revival in the guild bank. You will always find people online that can access it and get what you want.
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>>166877623
it's an aoe pack, dps aoes it all down and you don't need to taunt
maybe block and use the monster set that pulls them in, or the dk chain to bring in ranged mobs to the aoe death pit
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>log in ready to do some mother fucking dungeons
>queue random vet
>banished cells 1, one of the pledges YUSS
>get in
>they are on final boss
>tank is a 15k health magsorc ""dps"" in robes
>other DPS is cp20
What a shitty start to the night
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>>166895383
>people who queue as tank when they're really DPS
Literally cancer. Sure, there are some dungeons where you can get away with this, but it's a douche thing to do in a public queue. If you want tank queue times, make a fucking tank.
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>>166895727

Its not always like that. I've been in dungeons where I've queued as as DPS, and when the group breaks apart I am suddenly labeled the tank. Why, because I have a single piece of heavy armor on? Or because I have the highest health/mitigation between me and the minmaxed sorc?
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>Crypt of Hearts II
>Fungal Grotto II
>Cradle of Shadow
>The same fucking day
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What is the worst dungeon and why is it Spindleclutch II?

>the most boring and generic "dark cave" environment
>shit backstory
>no interesting mechanics
>almost all bosses are humanoids
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>feel like doing some comfy IC farming
>see pic related
I'm still amazed I manage to get the single worst PvP faction in every single game
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Am I cute?
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>>166899048
platform/server/campaign?
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>>166899946
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>>166900325
PC,EU,Azure something something
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>>166899946
>old lady frills
I can't honestly say I would fug that reptile.
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>>166896172
Nice catch
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in a 4 man vet dungeon, how much % dps should i be doing in a 2x dps 1x healer 1x tank setup?

in my last run i was averaging around 70% of group dps and i wondered if the other guy was playing with his thumb up his ass or something
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>>166903247
There can legit be DPS trying their hardest getting 8k.
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>>166903247
yeah he's playing with his thumb up his ass, reasonable "I'm not fucking clueless" deeps is about 20-25k+. Tank will do fuck all damage, healer is generally expected to do a bit of damage it don't take much to lay a couple dots or aoes down and they should be weaving light attack between their heals and shit anyway.

>mfw guildie tell some guy combined group dps of 20k+ will get you through all dungeons on vet and even any deeeps check
that literally wont even get you past the first proper boss in vet fungle 2

>>166903679
by legit you mean they don't weave/cancel, use possibly a single dot/aoe at time and have blue mix&match quest gear in non-traits, I'd have actually fucking try to get my dps down to 8k

I'm leveling an alt now and because of battle leveling I just don't get how it's possible, I get 10k+ with like half a bar of unmorphed trash at sub-level 10.
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>>166904020
By legit, I mean it really happens.
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Name my band /tesog/
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>>166886425
>He seriously believes that most guilds trust randoms/new members
Hahaha oh fucking wow
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>>166904469
9 and the 11s
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So is steadfast ward as good as I'm thinking it is? Popping the shield at low health followed up by a heal seems pretty strong.
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>>166904020
My dps goes down very time I try to weave. Am I retarded?
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Altmer or Dunmer for magsorc?
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>mfw account-wide keybind addon
god bless pc
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>>166907715
GIMME THAT!
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>>166907692
You're not alone, bro.
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>Got an MMO mouse for 20 bucks off someone
>Game improves considerably
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>>166907778
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1174-VotansKeybinder.html
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What's a good addon for DPS tracking?
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magblade or magplar for best solo endgame experience?
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>>166908626
Magplar
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>>166899048

Ahh, good to see that when I graduate from Blackwater, the EP won't be useless fucks any longer.

Also, suck it yellowfag.
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ded
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>>166904469
the mahmoud awad experience
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is there any negative using a dagger with the shield?
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>>166908418
Combatmetric
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>>166917098
no
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Do the Imperials have a custom afterlife like the Nords' Sovngarde and the Redguards' Far Shores?
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>>166921323
Yes.
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>Researching
>Think my 8th trait is finished
>Log in all excited
>2 more days
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>>166908812

Never played templar, what makes magplars such good pve soloers? Is it basically using their heal on hit class abilities with mag aoe spells?
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>>166925201
Puncturing Sweep, Cleasins Ritual and high solo sustain with next patch.
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>>166925201
Pretty much that and few other heals/buffs that are pretty op also because of how heals work, which is that the same stuff you use to improve your healing also increases your damage e.g. magicka and spell damage/crit. You can just sit around easy mode doing the virtually the same damage everyone else could be doing but if shit goes south you can just drop some 0-100% health heal when ever you want.

They are low-key the best class but people are catching on, it's better than a magblade anyway which is the worst class for everything ever.
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>>166926580
>>166927351

So, good alt to run up for solo tel var stone grinding.
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>>166929085
Yeah if grinding bosses, you can also grind people with mag/stamblade by muhh KO from stealth cancerplay which what that entire class is made for and always will be.
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>>166929491

Groovy. Main is a DK tank, and while I have great survivability, I have almost no aoe so trash groups take me a while.
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>>166904020
what is weave? Is it animation cancelling or does it differ from it?

Because I keep seeing people talking about it and I get insecure because I do animation cancel between my attacks but I'm not sure if it's the same :^(
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https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/825739067115585536
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>>166930758
what is this
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>>166922390
underrated
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>>166930753
yeah pretty much it's when you animation cancel with light/heavy attacks, animation cancel in general could mean block, weapon swap or dodge roll cancelling.
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>>166930898
DRIED LAVA FROM MORROWIND

VVARDENFELL CONFIRMED

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>166930758
Praise Vivec!
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I'm dk tank level 40 and want to unlock vigor. What do I need to wear and do to in Cyrodiil?
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>>166931258
dddaaaaayyuum
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>wander over to bridge
>I'd rather get 1vX ganked than watch another zerg battle
>meet up with a templar on way
>don't even group up, just an unspoken tag-team
>2v10 a bunch of reds like we like are the fucking Hardy Boyz
PvP has it moments.

I really need to find a guild or small group to run with, the second you have a templar on your side you can just face roll so many people
>dat cleanse, dem heals and shards
god damn the blessed shards, shit makes my fucking dick hard.
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>>166932848

>If you can, join a big group, you'll get a little bit of xp for their kills
>Just try to hit everything that you can
>Use your snares and slows to help out everyone
>When you can, buy siege gear
>If defending, use ballista and just pepper everyone that you can
>If attacking, use trebuchet and attack the same spot everyone else is attacking
>If you take a keep, don't leave right away. There is a bonus tick of XP once all of the killed enemy players release. If you leave too soon, then you won't get that tick. If others leave, their share of the xp is spread around to everyone who stayed
>You can also buy wall/door repair kits and repair keeps for a decent amount of xp

Just doing the introductory missions will bring you to level 2 - 2.5. You can get to rank 5 for vigor in a single evening if you get into a good group.
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>>166932848

If you have any resto skills, just spam AoE healing in the middle of the fighting to try and tag as many people as possible.
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>>166930758
Never thought molten rocks would make my dick hard.
Just fucking release a trailer already you n'wah.
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>log in, ready to do some motherfucking dungeons again
>queue for pledges
>tab out while i wait
>DING DING group found
>tab back
>nothing
>no group just wait 15 minutes to queue again
Another great start to the day brought to you by Dungeon Finderâ„¢
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M-my dick...
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>>166937040
>DING DING
>oh shit finally
>[some faggot] has disbanded the group
>have to wait 15 minutes again

Timeless classic
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>>166937687

>Get into dungeon finder group as a DK tank
>A normal dungeon mind you
>Pop in
>DPS immediately says "tank not 160 CP"
>Kicked from group
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>>166938007
I finished Imperial Prison normal with a level 10 tank once.
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>>166938118

Some dungeons you don't even need a real tank, especially if everyone is running aoe burning builds.
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>>166938007
>Not initiating a kick against the DPS bitching
You weren't fast enough
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monster helmets only drop in veteran?
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>>166939557
Yes. An option is to buy them from the vendor in Cyrodiil that shows up every weekends.
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>>166939808
from what I read, the equipment he sells is random
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>>166940918
It is. So you have to get lucky.
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where my n'wahs at?
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>>166941979
praise vivec
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>>166942031
Am I seriously the only person in the world that hates the entire Tribunal?
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>>166942234
What don't you like about them?
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>>166942234
can't tell whether Azura or Dagoth
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>>166941979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXVi6gxoRiI
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>>166942234
Nah they're shit.
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>>166941979
Y-yea. What could possibly go wrong...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUXiwNSkpYA&t=47s
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>>166941979
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>>166943325
nice reddit screenshot. no doubt all those replies are from redditors. someone probably made a lot of reddit points off that one on r/4chan
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>>166945575
If you say so.
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>>166945575
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>>166943325
The nostalgia goggles in this video are on so tight.

>Arrow to the knee ordinator
>as if Morrowind DIDN'T have the same thing with those -exact- guards and WATCHING U, SCUM

The only difference is that TES wasn't mainstream enough for everyone to run that into the fucking dirt and then bury it.
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>>166946398

>I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I got into the city guard. It's a safer job with reliable hours, and allows me to have good work/life balance with my family.
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Reminder that Zenimax have yet to release the music from the Imperial City trailer
The music in ESO is great, why don't they just put it out for download for everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqONZmQr3pA
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>>166946114
and you're exactly the same as what he's complaining about in that screenshot and you don't even know it. calling out the reddit consensus cracking kikery isn't me being mad
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>>166948065
Nigga you mad as hell
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>>166948065
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christ i wish there was a human race in eso that was good for Magicka but didn't lose out in damage vs altmer or dunmer, elves are so fucking ugly
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>>166948065
>reddit consensus cracking kikery
What does this even mean?
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Greetings, this one is called Colin Feral. Rate This One, please.
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>>166949238
>Nigga
your parents hate you, you little faggot
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>>166953095
>faggot
Relax nigga
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>>166952352
I preferred Will Feral.
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has anyone done a dps comparison of Altmer vs Breton magsorc?

i hate the aesthetic of elves in this game and am considering sacrificing slight dps for looks, depending on how much the dps loss is
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So is this game worth playing? I like the lore and general feel of the elder scrolls games, but I'm not a super big fan of MMO gameplay. I guess I'm trying to ask if this game is shit or not.
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>>166954662
No it's shit avoid it like the plague the memes /v/ spouts were always right.
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>>166954662
Best fantasy MMO on the market atm. Zen got their shit together
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>>166947684
You might get lucky if you ask on the forums.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/306937/maw-of-lorkhaj
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>>166956803
Holy shit they actually gave OST away for free
I might begin to like ZOS despite them being the ultimate jews.
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>>166956803
>Soundmaster does greentext
Is he here now?
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Bard class when
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>>166957325
/lute
/flute
/drum
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>>166958274
You know what I mean, you fucking Argonian.
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Haha erp
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>>166959156
Ok then
>Warhorn
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>>166934809
Oh man I love that shit
>Running to AD-held Outpost to suicide/bloodport
>There's one of those LEET 1vXer Templars there trying to draw them out
>Just join him
>8 minutes of playing the LoS game and dunking loads of nerds later we finally get stunlocked and zerged down by like 14 of them
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>>166891342
>actually get's on vent

Tell them to fuck off, simple.
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>>166955110
Is it better than Neverwinter which is f2p?
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>>166961206
They hired the guy who ruined Neverwinter with freemium shit so there's that.
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>>166961875
Damn
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>>166948065
That's the last fucking drop?
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>>166953095
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>>166953095
Calm down, Tyrone.
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pg10 bump
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>>166894229
Oh shit that may have been me. Please guys I'll be better I promise can you open the bank again I'm sorry. Don't punish everyone because I fucked up.
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>>166970732
Faggot.
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>>166970732
They should reopen it but give you a "redditor" status without access to the bank due to stealing content.
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>>166970852
I don't know if it was me because I put stuff in, but I did take my fair share of green recipes.
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>>166971272
>give you a "redditor" status
What does that mean?
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>>166971272
This would be good, glorious guild leader please label me redditor and reopen the bank to everybody except me.
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>>166971382
It happens but you're honest and apologetic so it's not a disaster if it indeed was you
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fuck houses, i want to plant crops like in archeage
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>>166971512
It's kind of shitty they'd punish everyone for one autistic.
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>>166971605
And I want it like EQ2 with the ability to stuff your pets and place them around your house
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>>166971659
It's kinda shitty for one autistic to punish everyone.
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>>166971382
>but I did take my fair share of green recipes.
Surely this isn't about someone taking green recipes.
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>>166974629
>takes a recipe but doesn't leave one in it's place
or
>takes a recipe without asking someone higher up in the guild

I support the gls actions.
Have to earn the right to be trusted.
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>>166974629
It is sadly. Apparently we were losing too many green recipes so we had to protect the rest of the green recipes by making a wierd power system. If you've ever seen snow piercer the movie it's kinda like that. If you don't have bank access you're a peasant at the back of the train and if you have bank access you are on the rest of the train. It's shitty because you'll never leave the back of the train and everyone else can pick on you to feel good about themselves. All over a green recipe.
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>>166974926
This is typical entitlement. Someone joins a guild and think they're allowed access to everything when in reality they aren't.
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>>166974629

Around 200 items were taken out.
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>>166975460
Does the game keep a record of who did it?
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>>166975572
Yes.
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>>166975658
Then why not name and shame them?
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>>166975691
No idea, I'm on EU and shitposting before heading to work.
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>>166975816
Guild drama is always fun to watch
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>>166975140
So you think the front trainers were in the right?
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>>166976018
I don't know what that is
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>>166976128
Life my friend, open your third eye to the train.
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>>166976018
>>166976403
Oh you meant the "front of the train" as the metaphor was saying? No I don't.

I'd prefer if zen implemented a leveling system for guilds. Do more to help it grow bigger and you get access to new things ie unlimited bank removal and deposit etc. That way it would stop faggot guild leaders from playing favorites and limiting the damage a female can do.
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>>166976528
Wow, that's actually a really really good idea. The longer you spend in the guild you rank up. Or you rank up by donating to the bank or something. Really good idea Anon.
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Wall of text incoming
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>>166976892
My body is ready
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>>166976945
Your body is ready
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>>166976892
The last fucking drop?
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Alright everyone, Geobasket here. The reason I closed the guild bank (in case you didn’t read the pastebin) was because a trusted member was depositing useful stuff for the guild bank, but he saw this one person (new, doesn’t talk in guild chat, hasn’t participated in any activities the guild has done) withdrawing everything, and not depositing anything back. He messaged me about this and said he didn’t want to contribute anything if people like this would just keep taking without giving anything back, which I understand.

I also understand the side of ‘why do you care if someone takes something from the guild bank, if you need it, don’t deposit it’.

I didn’t close the guild bank to ‘punish’ everyone for one guy’s actions. I did it to prevent anything like this happening again. This guild is closing in on 200 members and with more members joining, you don’t know what type of person they are and if they would just hit the guild bank and run. If it means people disliking me, I’d gladly be the most hated person because this action was for the guild’s best intentions.

Now look, I want people to be happy, and if closing the guild bank made the majority of you unhappy I apologise. You just have to understand the risks of leaving the bank open and why leaving it closed and asking another member with access to it for something is a better idea.

And with this post, I’ll ask you, the people, what you want. I don’t use the guild bank that often but I know some of you do so I hope you guys vote on this. The results won’t immediately change whether or not the bank will be open/closed but will give me an understanding of what the majority want. Also reply to this post with reasons for/against since it seems quite a few are unhappy with the change and no one has been bothered to mail/whisper me. People that aren’t PC NA, vote or don’t vote, it doesn’t really matter since I can’t tell who’s who.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12230718
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>>166977019
I'd prefer it closed.
Why should I work my ass off to help people that genuinely need it when some fuck can just hop on and pinch shit he doesn't even need? That's wrong.
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>>166977019

Leave it closed. How much you want to bet the fucker sold everything.
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>>166977019
Dude thanks for being so open about the guild. You probably won't get any good replies right now since everyone's asleep though. But I'm glad you are willing to listen to feedback. And don't worry, nobody hates you. We know you have the guild's intentions in mind. I'm personally for an open bank myself but it isn't really a big deal. I'd rather everyone had access to the stuff I put in though. You can say just go to somebody that does have access but people without access can't even view what I've put in, unless there is some screen that people can see that I'm missing?
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So, usually play a tank, but I want to make a farming alt. Which combo is best for farming telvar stones in the sewers solo? Magplar, sorc?
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>>166977841
magplar
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>>166977642
>>166977683
Just give everyone access as Anon rank. Then make another rank called redditor. Everyone starts as Anon rank but once they steal shit without donating turn them into a redditor rank.
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>>166977782
Why don't you just cut out the middleman and give me all the stuff you intend to deposit? I'm new, I need the money and I'm being upfront and honest.
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>>166977979
You won't be new forever and you might not want everything I'm trying to get rid of.
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>>166977019
You could always just create 2 anon ranks one with bank access and one without then promote/demote whoever is being a jew or promote/demote whoever wants to use it

I don't really see any way of getting around it though especially since we are home of the anonymous edgelord hackers and there's always going to be the unsavory redditor types lurking around dressing as the milkman waiting for their big moment of social justice revenge
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>>166977921
>>166978063
These are the best solutions IMO.
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>>166977898

Advice on skills to take? I apologize, but I've never played templar or a mag user before.
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>>166978135
I wish I could help but neither have I. I'm merely parroting the answer I've heard mentioned.

Normally I'd suggest waiting for the patch then going sorc and using your pet, but they might patch that out and it needs a group to get the devastating 1hko.
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>>166978052
touche
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>>166977921
>>166978063
Can you limit how much people can withdraw a day?
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>>166977642
Yep, that's a valid point for leaving the guild bank closed.

>>166977683
Most likely did considering the amount taken

>>166977782
No worries mate, I really do want the guild to prosper but these types of situations are difficult. Concerning people seeing what's in the guild bank, I'm in guilds without access to the bank and I can see everything that's inside it. You can also go to the guild's history tab and there should be a sub-tab called bank where you can see who's been withdrawing and depositing items (although the list only goes back so far).

>>166977921
>>166978063
>>166978125
This still doesn't eliminate the factor of someone joining the guild with the intent of taking everything in the bank and leaving, which is one of the main reasons large guilds give access to a few, trusted members

>>166978470
Unfortunately not. If there was a possibility of capping the amount of items/gold people can withdraw per day that would be tremendously useful for every guild. I'm pretty sure it's been asked numerous times over the years but ZOS has done nothing concerning it.
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>>166978804
We appreciate your dedication, chief
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>have game for over 4 months
>never been past lvl 13, keep getting bored of a class/weapon combo and make a new one
>repeat process forever

Anyone manage to overcome this? What do I do?
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>>166979465
I still don't know how skills level up and i've done the same shit as you for a month.

IMHO the sp quests are awful and If i have to run through cold harbor once more i'll kill someone. Also made me hate dumbledores actor.
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>>166979595
If you have a skill from a skill line on your bar or have the armor equipped, you gain XP in said skill line whenever you gain XP.

I just want to find some DPS class combo that can kill shit and doesn't rely on DoTs out the ass.
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>>166979749
So the amount of use doesn't factor into xp gain for the skill?
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>>166979465
Well in games like this, I tend to like the mage type class so I chose a mag sorc as my first character. Casting magic and turning yourself into lightning was pretty neat so I stuck with it until I reached the cap.

After that is when I decided to try out all the other classes. I reached the level cap with them and knew that I had the most fun with my mag sorc.

So what I'm really saying is, stick with one class you're interested in until you reach the cap, and if you don't find it fun, choose a different class.

There are 4 classes each with the possibility of being stam or mag (even health in some builds), effectively making 8 different classes. There's bound to be at least one class you will enjoy, and if you get bored playing all of them, I guess ESO isn't for you.

It also helps to watch youtube videos of your class being playing e.g. in pvp or pve.
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>>166979935
nope
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>>166980007
Good to finally know, cheers anon
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>>166980164

what did he mean by this?
Whats he going to do with those people?
Are they going to be ok?
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>>166980164
>>166980243
Wow this reads like a sex trade ring. Is there a kid in those barrels?
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>>166980164
>>166980243
Who could be the buyer?
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>>166980346
Duh

This is why there aren't any kids in ESO!
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>>166980692

Now ya see, I just wanted to do some doodly whoop with the kiddly widdelsy, so I just zippodoodied down to the docks, and wouldn't you know it, a convenient spaghettio in a barellio!
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>>166980924
>The Eternal Yakuda
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>>166980924
>>166981243
kek'd
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What are the most valuable crafts to specialize in if I want to help craft stuff for guild mates?

I'm seem to blaze through enchanting and provisioning but they don't seem to be in much demand.
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>>166980164
>>166980243
Reminds me of the Fritzl shit behind the minotaur worldboss.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Lost_Fort_Faleria
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>>166982252
That wasn't as dark as I'd thought it would be.

Definitely not as bad as the first vampires birth.
IMHO rape is worse than death.
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>>166982450
that's very progressive of you
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>>166982252
the letter was on the Gold Coast too, it makes me wonder if its the same guy who writes the dark stuff i mean it would make sense to have a person like that do work on the Edge Brotherhood expansion.
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>>166983845
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>>166977019
Make gold withdrawal closed. I want to drop shekels so our guild can finally bid on a trader
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>>166985409
Just making gold withdrawal closed isn't possible sadly. It's either leave everything open or closed which are pretty limited options. Check the last part of this post >>166978804 for some hopeful ideas ZOS can implement.
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>>166987831
I'm pretty sure I see a two checkboxes on the membership levels page for 'withdraw items' and 'withdraw gold' from guild bank.
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>>166988070
Oh yeah, you're right. My bad mate. That could also be a useful solution to this.
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oh server is up
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>>166989843
I think this is the first time I've seen the first post about the server coming online not being a ruse
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Hey guys, can you recommend any good PvE UI addons?
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I'm a champ 109 stamDK going for the DoT build,barely reaching 7k dps in instances
Am I a shitter?
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>vet Crypt of Hearts II
>tank needs to save 4 adds
>he can barely deal with 2
>tank kicked
>new tank appears
>sup bro smelt down boss lemme tunk adds
>entirely Tamriel gang banging the tank
>his HP never falls below 90%

I was the healer. How do you guys do this?
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>PC version isn't as popular as the console version, but you couldn't tell the difference in game so that doesn't really matter.
Why some say things like this?
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>>166995017

casuals are shit, tryhards know what they're doing
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>>166993996
At 109 CP without at-level gear you are weaker than you were at like 30.
Wait until sea pee 160, get good set gear and then measure
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>>166904020
>Your level 6 mag DK spamming whip has better dps than your CP level mag sorc using curse, light attack/crushing shock and frags
His gear was very outdated though (though still it was set gear) and I might have measured it wrong
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>>166992598

>AUI - Improves your mini map, skill bar, HP/Stam/Magicka bars, etc.
>Awesome Info - gives you a clock, lets you know when weapons need to be charged, gives you a countdown on when you can research and train your horse, and a bunch of other shit
>Awesome Guild Store and Master Merchant - lets you hover over items and compare prices/see price charts, also makes it easier to find stuff in guild stores
>Lost treasure - shows you where buried treasures from treasure maps are. Word is rare widgets for housing will be in buried treasure in the next patch, so save those maps, they could be worth a lot more soon
>Skyshards - shows you where skyshards are on the map
>Lorebooks - same as skyshards, but for lore books
>Harvest map - every time you harvest a node/chest/thieves lockbox/fishing spot, it marks the spot on your map with a pin. Makes it super easy to farm items again
>Ravalox quest tracker - track multiple quest objectives at the same time
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>>167000615
>Ravalox quest tracker - track multiple quest objectives at the same time

does this allow hiding everything in the UI related to quests? I hate how I can't just unselect a quest and not track any for the moment. especially when it randomly changes the tracked quest on area transition.
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>>167000983

Use the ZOS Tracker key-bind to cycle through quests (default "T")
Can switch between the game's tracker and Ravalox' Tracker in the settings menu
Option to automatically hide Ravalox' tracker when in combat
Manual or automatic window re-sizing (by width, height or both)
Backdrop color and texture can be disabled or changed
Background and drag bar can be "faded" to become any level of transparent
Window can be locked or unlocked via /slash command, settings menu, or lock icon
Can optionally display the number of open quests in each Category or Zone
Can optionally display and sort by the level of the quest
Quest Tooltips can be enabled or disabled in the settings menu
Optionally show Quest Tooltips when a quest is accepted
Option to display a chat alert when accepting a quest. With or without quest details
Save settings either account-wide or by character
How to use:

Lock icon will allow for the UI to be dragged around the screen (by dragging the bar at the top of the UI) when unlocked. (Lock icon can be hidden via the settings menu)

If the tooltips option is selected, a tooltip window will appear when hovering over a quest.

Right click on a quest to display quest management options. (Share , Abandon, or show on map)

Click on the Category to expand or collapse the list.

Additional options for automatically collapsing Categories, Quests or both

Options for showing all quests at all times or show all quests in the currently selected category at login
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>Made a stamblade for dark brotherhood quest line
>Full edge, even the name
>Actually really enjoy the playstyle
>Decide to level the character up
>Hear about the stamina nerfs in a weeks time
>MFW
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>>167004486

Magblade heavy armour is so fun right now.

Gankers jump you expecting a quick easy kill, then you stand there soaking up their hits and occasionally pressing 4 until they have run out of resources. Then you go into stealth and watch them panic.
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>>166977019
I'm only OK with ranks having access if there is a clear path to achieving that rank in the guild description. Right now it appears to be a favorites system which is gay as fuck.
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>>167005601

>Magblade heavy armor

Never even thought if this. Please, teach me your ways.
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why can't i buy plus membership?
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>>167006337
if you're doing it through steam click your account name, account details, manage subscriptions (its under purchase history on the right) and then edit your plus membership to whatever you want there.
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>>167006676
that's super fucking retarded
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>>167005859

Shadow and syphoning skills mainly, go look at the passives for those skill lines. You get buffs to damage/spell resistane from casting shadow abilities, and the duration of said buffs increases by the number of heavy armour pieces you have equipped. You have access to crazy self-healing and magicka regen through the siphoning skills. Stamina can be hard to manage though, I suppose, but you only really need it for dodges.

DPS isn't going to be autist min/max levels of "viability" by any means, but you still get some pretty hard hitting abilities and you can pretty much wear the majority of opponents down by attrition. Run with a restro staff on your back bar and you are nigh invincible.
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>>167007236

Thank you kindly!
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How do I make a Redguard female that doesn't look like shit?
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what's the best pvp faction on pc? i don't want to play with idiots
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>>167007964

AD
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>>166884398
Glad you're okay.
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>>166975691
Because everyone knows who it was and it is up to the guildmaster to decide the faggot's fate.
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>>166977019
Keep it closed but we should devise a plan on how to achieve ranks. Like participating in trials, pledges and all kinds of guild content as well as depositing stuff which grant you points to get promoted.

Thank you for your efforts, Geo. You're a cool dude.
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>>167008903
Forgot to add:

We should include how the ranks can be obtained in the Guild Message or the About Us.
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>>167008632
Cuckold.
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I should have taken a screenshot, but 100k AP in 2 hours of farming, feels good.
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>>167009063
Explain
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>>167007730
Ok that went better than expected.
I don't know. But I like this face a lot.
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I bet my left ball that the DLC will involve how the tribunal got hold of the Numidium.
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So, when do we get CHIM?
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is a maul with nirnhoned better than a great sword with sharpened?
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>>167012307
Sharpened is better 99% of the time over any other trait regardless of weapon.
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Oh wait, this might be embarrasing

If I'm playing as a sorc magtank, who rely mostly on damage shields(light armor's harness magika, Hardened ward), I should gear up myself mostly with light armor rather than heavies right?

How much health does a playable tank need?
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>>167012484
doesn't the 20% maul armor pen from the two hand passive apply after the flat reductions, making it less effective the more penetration you have?
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I'm about to choose between 3 months ESO membership and 6 months. Thoughts? I've never been a member before either.
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>>167012902
well, you could try out 3 months to see what it is like for the first time and maybe switch to 6 months after if you want. Because that is what I am planning to do

btw, I didn't see a renew option with steam wallet, but I remember buying first sub with steam wallet. What's with that?
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>>167013094
i just had that problem. the answer is here: >>167006676
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>>167008206
>run with the best groups on AD Trueflame
>mfw theey're all egotistical fucks who won't bother to communicate between guild leaders to win the campaign
>and I'm pushing like 3 seperate major guilds
Why tho????
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>>167012839
Nope. Same reason the Nord's passive for tanking is shit, it's before anything else.
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PTS patch notes when
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>>167012839
>>167012484
>>167012307
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>>167013160
that I know, but didn't see an option to use the steam wallet to renew there. I can only see option of sub period
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>2PM EST tomorrow Twitch stream from Zenimax
Hope someone can provide a summary of it. I'll be in classes.
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>>167004486
Stamblades aren't even good right now anon. You're not exactly going to notice a decline in power. Especially if don't do dungeons with them. Or Trials, I'd say, but no one is jumping to bring a stamblade to a vet trial these days, let alone in the coming days.
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>>167013507
>sharpened so good that you can put a useless trait like prosperous on your armor and still do more damage than someone using divines with a precise weapon
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>>167014094
I don't think you can buy the sub with steam wallet which is really dumb imo
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>>167014845

Because steam would take a cut of the sub for their processing fee.
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>>167013332
that seems really stupid. at least if it applied after it gave you decisions to make and each weapon had better situational uses
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Is the craft bag shared between all characters or is it like the bank?
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>>167015452
Wait...Uhhhh...You know what I mean
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>>167015452
yes, the bank is shared across all characters too
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>>167011525
I think it's gonna be announced tomorrow via Twitch at 11am PST
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>>167012778
Achieve around 31-34k health and you're golden. Just make sure you have decent resistances but try to put your points fully either into stamina or magicka
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Best way to earn telvar stones? Just go into the sewers and grind mobs?
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>>167013507
It's so fucking retarded they haven't bothered nerfing sharpened or buffed the other traits.
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>Find a primal crafting motif when looting a crate
>B*smer comes up at the last moment and sees me
>not high enough yet to learn it
>Inside a tavern and there's a guard next to the door so I won't be able to book it if he catches me
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>>167016880
You earn more telvar stones from grinding the mobs in the city.
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>>167017007
Travel to a wayshrine/friend?
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>>167017113

Cool beans. Went to the sewers for the first time last night at level 29, but the mobs are really packed in there. Tanking build, so not much also going on.
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I have

>Lorebooks
>Master merchant
>Minimal
>Research assistant
>Skyshards

What else should I get? Kind of want an add-on that lets me know when research is done and when I can horse train too.
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I'm leveling a stamDK as my first toon and i hear stam is getting nerfed, how harsh is the nerf? will i do decent dps at max level or should i switch out?
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>Breton Wizard
>Master Wizard
>Redguard Soldier
These people with their NPC fucking names
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>>167020675
That's news to me, I can't see anything in the patch notes pointing towards stam getting nerfed.
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don't die
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Is there a release date for the Vvardenfell content?
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>>167020675
Relax, stam is fine.
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>>167023570
Nothing confirmed but it's pretty evident it's gonna be released in may, around the same time DB got released last year.
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>still haven't done anything else to frost staves in PTS
seems kinda pointless to introduce a new tanking weapon when one-hand and shield is still vastly superior in every single way.
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>>167018617

Awesome info does both of those and more.
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>>167024796
seems kinda pointless to try to tank with anything else than DK which is vastly superior in every single way.
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>>167025076
That too.
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>>167024796
Will it let me solo group bosses at least?
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>do maelstrom arena for the first time
>get a piece fom the hunt leader set
>medium armor, increases max stamina, weapon damage
>(5 items) When your pet attacks an enemy you have also attacked recently, you heal for 2433 Health and restore 1216 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.
>only class with pets is sorc
>sorc pets attacks scale with max magicka
please explain
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>>167024796
>>167025076
Something tells me that because Zen has saved their game with the recent updates they'll start focusing on balancing issues throughout 2017 since there'll be a larger voice of people who just came into the game and are interested in investing their time into it. The best way for them to earn shekels through jewcrates and subscriptions is to make the endgame and pvp interesting, which includes varied metas for roles.
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>>167025076
>DKs can't use frost staves
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>Mention in zone chat that the one problem with level scaling in One Tamriel is that you can no longer come back to a zone incredibly overpowered and just stomp a boss repeatedly that gave you a hard time when you were on its level
>People start calling me out, saying that I'm being exclusionary
>Then get called a bigot
>MFW
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>>167025624
#ZO$logic
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>>167025921
Trump will fix that.
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>>167025624
That was meant for the canceled Ranger class that had stamina based pet summons like a wolf, hawk, or bear.
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>>167025921
Where's the fun in doing that then when the rewards would be shit?
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>>167025624
NB gets pet.
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>>167025921
But you can still. It scales to 160. At Champ 561, everything should melt
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>>167025791
I wouldn't call it dying but I definitely wouldn't call it flourishing either.

This game doesn't retain players very well.
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>>167025624
All classes have access to pets your n'wah, it's just that sorcs have it as a class skill.
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>>167026871
Which is why they need to focus on making the gameplay better. Having no idea about how to play the game and finding out 20 hours down the line that because you didn't go a specific combo you're fucked for endgame means many people aren't going to want to stick around. Class balancing needs to be addressed so no one class and race combo is flat out the superior for DPS/Tanking/Healing to the point that it makes the others invalid. The one big thing that WoW got right was its focus on trying to balance classes, which they tinkered with constantly.
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>>166873416
Avid player of the standard TES games here but never played TESO largely due to my personal aversion to MMO's. I'm a major lorefag and I was wondering if the game is worth getting into just for that. Is it possible to play this game just focusing on the story quests and such without bothering with the mmo shit too much?
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>>167024796
It's perfect for players who have to carry a group of shitters in veteran dungeons.
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>>167027089
>Is it possible to play this game just focusing on the story quests and such without bothering with the mmo shit too much?
Yes. I played it for two years before bothering with the multiplayer parts.
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>>167027089
There are like hundred of hours of quests if you get all the dlc. And a lot of the quests lines are better than shit you see in main line elder scrolls games.
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>>167027089
Game is flat up superior to Skyrim in terms of amount of lore. Its not as pretty as a modded Skyrim due to limitations of an MMO but it holds up quite well storywise and content.
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>>167004486
>>167005601
>>167014595
If they aren't good why are they getting nerfed?
>mfw I main stamblade
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>>167027446
The most shitter and pendant people I ever met in ESO was playing stamplar. They queue as tank/healer/dps go down to 10% HP in one hit and do shit on last boss not rolling to dodge or blocking. I would say it's the Call of Duty kid class.
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>>167027765
What. What does that have to do with my question?
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>>167027446
It's stam PvE that is getting nerfed, DW and rearming trap will be doing less damage but people do want gankblades nerfed, what most people don't understand is it isn't the class itself that need killing, it's the ridiculously bonuses you get from stealth attacks that needs to fuck off, that and proc sets.

Don't get why zos didn't just go with the global cooldown on proc sets idea, it would still make them viable, it would just mean people wouldn't run 2/3 proc sets at the same time and in theory should end any of these double/triple proc bugs that have been happening.
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Shuga is cute! Cute!
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>>167027446
It's not really much of a nerf is the thing. They just nerfed some skills that most/all DPS stam builds use, like re-arming trap and then gave magicka DPS builds a buff. It's sort of a nerf-by-proxy in that the gap between mag and stam has widened, but stam hasn't gotten all the worse. You won't suddenly hit like a wet noodle.
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>>166983854
Could be. I suspect it's a matter of wanting the tone to be different between the DLC's. Dark Brotherhood started out as a pretty low fantasy story while ending with a fight between pseudo-avatars of Akatosh and Sithis fighting each other. There's so much symbolism in the last fight that I've a hard time gathering my thoughts when thinking about it.
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>>167025881
Please go on and explain how taunts are inferior to the usage of a frost staff
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>>167025076
How do you tank trough the blue phase when fighting the Planar Inhibitor if you're a DK tank?
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>>167028889
>proc sets
it's only proc sets are the problem. the only people complaining about gankblades are people not running impen and radiant mage light
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Depends on playstyle and taste desu. 30k health is expected for a traditional tank but the more points you have in magicka, the smaller shields you'll have. Shields have no resistance. The Pirate Skeleton is amazing on warding tanks since the 30% damage reduction applies to wards.
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>>167030597
>Implying impen and heavy armour guarantees you're not killed within half a secound if you happen to have bellow 28k health.
t.xxXSn3akyCatXxx
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>>167030597
nah the problem is it's a free hard cc no matter what fucking offensive skill you use, it already has bonus damage and the fact you're god damm invisible you don't need a snare on top of it when people can already pop off heavy>ability>light and then what ever proc they are running all within the single 0.2 second that they come out of stealth. No matter how fast you can cc break, that attack has already happen and even at the millisecond you react to it they have already started their next combo.

>Radiant magelight and stealth detect pots
sure they fuck up NB but if you're managed to use that skill/pot then they have already fucked up because you know they are coming and you're still alive.
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>>167031089
Heh, you think you're tough huh?
*Jesus beams you from max distance while you're attacking someone*
Nothing personnel kiddo, better luck next time
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>>167028889
>mfw I'm running gankblade
Yes it does feel good to be human trash. Before anyone asks.
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>>167032226

>Group of 10 players only using jesus beam in coordinated attacks, with one DK snaring people
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>>167025921
I would've called you a faggot instead.
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Hey are Bosmer Templars viable, even if im gonna be casual as fuck doing dungeons n shit if I wanna heal or do dps?
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>>167035714
Stamplars are shit, if what you're looking for is magplar, Altmer grills are also bretty cute.
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>>167036153
So I've been swayed, could still make shortstack altmer or should I rock a qt amazoness like dragons crown shit.
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>>167007236
What if your opponent isn't a shitter like the shitters you've come up against?How does a tank beat a better tank?
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I'm about to play for the first time in a long time, what class is the most fun right now? I know it's subjective but most games have some classes that people seem to favor
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>>167036976
They don't, they just stare at each other until a zerg comes around and kills either of them.
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>>167037025
Like you said subjective.

Best class is DK though so choose that if you want.
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>>167037310
I was thinking of going for a Templar, I prefer DPS, do you know if they're comparable? Or is DK miles ahead?
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>>167037025
stam sorc is pretty good right now
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>>167037424
>>167037424
Miles ahead.
Best tank is D-Elf or Altmer DK.

Best dps would be Sorc with pet unless they fix the exploit
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>>167037424
Despite the game having something close to 8 different classes, the majority are useless and you'll start noticing almost everyone has one or another of the same cookie-cutter builds
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>>167037639
So now I'm leaning towards Stam DK, is that a solid choice? I haven't really played since release, I just want something I can focus on for a while until I can grasp the game and relearn it
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>>167037762
Sounds good. What race are you thinking of?
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>>167037762

Stam DK is great. Orc for lyfe!
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>>167037926
Dunmer, Orc or Redguard, is there any clear winner when it comes to race for DKs?
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>>167038019
Dunmer if you're mag DK. I'd go for orc or redguard definitely. Whichever one you can make look better I'd go with.
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>>167038019

Well the clear losers are Orcs.
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>>167037523
>Best tank is D-Elf or Altmer DK.
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>>167038474
Mag tanks anon. I should've clarified, my bad
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My next alt is going to be a MagBlade. On a scale of 1-10, how much am I wasting my time?
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>>167038746
6
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Done, decided on a DK Reduard named Naasim al-Skaven. Thanks for the help esog.
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>>167038548
Who... even plays mag tanks
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>>167039326
Haven't you read any build guides or the faq we have in the op?

It's universally acknowledged mag dk tanks are the best. Especially if you're a dunmer vampire.
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>>167039615
I wrote the FAQ. I was surprised to learn that 'mag altmer/dunmer DK tanks' were the best tanks.
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>>167039759
Thanks
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>>167039759
(because they're not, in case I wasn't being clear with the sarcasm)
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>>167039965
So I'm genuinely curious why you think mag tanks are the best, when they're not.
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>>167040218
All the faqs i read seem to bring it up
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>>167040218
What's the best mag tank in your opinion and what is the best stam tank?

The only reason I went mag dk was because I want to tank for newbies but if there's a better class that will allow me to perform with as minimal effort as dk i'd happily reroll
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>>167040551
Well the typical endgame trials tank is a stam DK. This is because some bosses have big attacks you need to block to not die to.

To me "mag tank" implies using wards/shields to tank, which is fine for some vet dungeons but not something I would take into trials.
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>>167040948
Best mag tank is any mag race. Just have a taunt and cast shields to not die, block when you need to. Maybe use an ice staff in homestead, it could work.

Best stam tank is Imperial/Argonian DK.
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>>167041054
These are good tips. Thank you.

I'll have to take a broader look at how other players run tanks to improve myself
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>>167041239
To clarify, I don't think dedicated mag tanks are that good. I sometimes queue as a tank on my mag dps characters if I think the dungeons I'm queueing for are easy enough to tank with wards.

If you want to do real tanking, be a stamina tank.
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>>167041463
But that means buying the Imperial pack. If you really did write the FAQ then I trust you enough to take the advice and give it a go.

As thanks, you can name my new imp when I roll him in 30
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>>167041593
Argonian tanks are just as good as Imperial tanks. I wrote that in the FAQ.
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>>167041593
>>167042035
Also I literally just wrote "Best stam tank is Imperial/Argonian DK." How does that imply you should buy the Imperial pack?
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>>167042035
>>167042193
You assumed I wasn't autistic enough to hate furries and would gladly play as one.
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>>167042193
This is an example of a guide I've been using

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pro-tips-and-qa-for-new-dk-players-read-before-asking-for-a-build/
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>>167042386
It's your money. Orc/Nord tanks are perfectly playable too.
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>>167042514
Last updated in 1 year 7 months, and nowhere does it imply mag dk tanks are a thing.
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>>167042917
It's pinned which Is why I read through it. You don't pin something that's useless.

I guess my idea of a tank is different to what eso tanking is. To me a tank is something that can hold agro with decent dps (enough to keep mobs focused on me and not others) but still be near impossible to kill. I'm obviously wrong haha. Luckily my mag dk isn't a high level so it wasn't a waste to roll him
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I decided to read the new pts patch notes and holy shit are people pissed.

I know forum communities are usually shit but I've never read pages and pages of hate before.
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>>167043771
I prefer hate to blind ass kissing
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>>167042917
>>167041463
>>167039615
magDK tanks run out of both resources too fast. They might be a little more viable if frost staves don't suck anus, but that's a very big if.
t. altmer DK

Best magtank is sorc because of exchange and the only other AoE root in the game, but magNB tanks get good offheals + siphoning strikes. If you want to run bloodspawn you can't get fake chains though.
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>>167027089
Yes you could play that way but then you have to think about it. Why play a single player game online?
You'll eventually access the online stuff, anyway. It's inevitable especially in group dungeons that hold some lore and shit.
Not that it matters because it's been a tradition of Bethesda to not make previous events matter in sequels.
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>>167032226

*slow claps*
*steps out of the hurricane*

Heh... not bad, kid. Not bad at all. Your build, I mean. It's not bad. A good first attempt. It's plenty dank... I can tell it's got some thought behind it... lots of proc sets...

But being cancer isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kid. You're skilled... that much I can tell. But do you have what it takes to be a stamsorc? To join those esteemed orc boys? To call yourself a member of the Meta Corps? Stealing builds from Youtubers and Twitchers takes talent, that much is true. But more than that it takes heart. The world-class Metaboys - I mean the big guys, like Sypher and Fengrush - they're out there day and night, burning the midnight PvP-oil, working tirelessly to craft that next big bullshit build.

And you know what, kid? 99 times out of a hundred, those special snowflake builds people make are shit. Someone dismisses it as bait, or says it's "hybrid," or ignores it as they copy/paste the latest shitbuild copypasta dreamt up by those sorry excuses for cut-rate memers over at Tamriel Foundry. Getting Wrobel'd is rough, kid, and I don't just mean the one you just lost :^). It's a rough business, and for every artisan OP build you craft in your theory bakery, some cocksucker at /tesog/ has a picture of a a thick khajiit or some shit that a million different Johnny No-Nwah's will attach a milion different captions to. Chin up, kid. Don't get all mopey on me. You've got skill. You've got talent. You just need to show your drive.
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>>167044110
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>>167043892
I agree
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>>167041470
*Hammers your tail*
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>>166979465
How can you not get past level 13 when it's at level 15 that you can get to swap weapons in combat, unlocking more combinations?
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>>167043717
Your idea of tanking is half way there. In ESO tanks hold aggro while buffing your teammates. You don't have to worry about doing any damage.
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>>167044110
Best version of this pasta yet.

>*steps out of the hurricane*

Gold
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>>167046080
>You don't have to worry about doing any damage

Fug u. I don't have all day to run a simple dungeon.
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>>167046392
If you don't have all day to run a simple dungeon play a dps and party with 3 other dps builds with self heals or 2 other dps and 1 healer then
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>>167046392
That's what the other three people are for, anon. If your DPS and healer actually do their jobs they'll kill things fast enough. Especially if you do YOUR job and buff them and corral enemies to a single spot to be nuked from orbit.

You won't see big numbers yourself but if you're doing your job correctly you will enable your party members to vaporize groups.
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>betrayed by another catnigger
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>>167046392
>Mehmet, my son
>You're playing ESO now
>You're a tank
>You have two choices
>You can play a tank doing shitty DPS making the dungeon take forever
>Or you can play a tank buffing the rest turning the already good DPS into gods
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Jesus christ, so much talent in this game.
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Are healers meant to be dps instead of old-school healer/bugger?
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>>167049208
buffer*
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Anyone here buy the cosmetic unlock for 10 bucks that lets you switch between all the standard hairstyles?
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>>167049208

Since you can regen magicka at range, its generally not a bad idea to lay down a few DoTs during healing downtime. Just make sure you are topped off before a big damage phase.
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What's the new morph for the other version of repentance like?
Assuming its on the PTS
When is that shit coming anyway
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>>167050438

The 6th.
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Is 15k health enough to not get 1 shot in a vet dungeon?
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>>167053172
Nope.
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>>167053251
How much do I need?
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>>167053172

That's pushing it. 18k is safe but still low, especially if the tank reliably runs aggressive war horn.

Get some more health/better food.
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>>167053172
lol nope. Vet dungeons have mechanics anyway that will one-shot you no matter what if you get hit.

I wouldn't recommend entering them without at least 18k health.
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>>167053298
>>167053302
>18k mind
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>>167053298
>>167053302
Should I put health attribute points, or enchant my gear with health?
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>>167047524
>not "you're of tank now"

you fucked up, buddy
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wtf are orc females taller than the males?
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>>167049509
Yes, I have. Why?
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>>167053649

Built for Snu Snu.
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>>167053716
That don't make sense. If they were the dominant ones they'd be in charge and i've never heard of a female orc chieftain.
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>>167054787

It's like real life. Why do you think an orc chieftan attacks a village or rival clan? Because one of his wives gets turned on by it.

I think that is the same reason Kim Jong Un threatens the west so much, his wife gets off on to a powerful man, so he has to fake the funk.
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>>167054787
>Implying the formal title means fuck all when all chieftains are pussy-whipped
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>>167053461
I would put in attribute points since all your gear will be enchanted with stamina anyway and it would be a hassle to replace the enchantment on your gear whenever you want to try a different build.

Do you eat blue food?
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>>167054929
>pussy-whipped
>the norm is having more than 1 wife/concubine
>implying you'd risk that if the women were bigger than you

>>167054864
Didn't he have his wife and her entire family killed? I know he did that to one woman he was fucking.
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>>167055292

>Didn't he have his wife and her entire family killed? I know he did that to one woman he was fucking.

Can't rationalize a fetish, Anon.
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>>167055353
Can't disagree there
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>orc women + /ss/
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So in 12 bongs and 5 numberrumbles it won't be your ordinary ESO live.

>If you thought 2016 was a great year for The Elder Scrolls Online, it was only the beginning... Join ZOS Creative Director Rich Lambert and Bethesda VP of PR & Marketing Pete Hines live on Twitch tomorrow at 19:00 GMT, January 31st and discover the next chapter of The Elder Scrolls Online.

I for one hope they will reveal more than just Vvardenfell, such as a re-release of Morrowind with HD graphics or something, a review of the year that's been and a talk about the year ahead.
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>>167055954
Please leave morrowind alone. It still holds up fine and people that need HD re-releases are a cancer to the gaming community.
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>>167055607

>When the snu snu that good
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>>167055954

>want to watch it live
>taking the GF to a doctors appointment that is at 2 pm

Do I be that guy with headphones and my cell?
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>>167056093
of course, but part of me gets rock solid thinking about playing a morrowind with betheshit's "modern" engine. they'd probably fuck it up though
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>>167057042
I think you spoil the moment by watching it on a tiny screen. Be a family man and wait until you get home.
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>>167057367
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>When ESO's official twitter makes a post and a number of autists immediately respond, usually with generic claims about how korean grind fest MMO's are more aesthetically pleasing, as well as making other unsubstantiated claims, usually involving the word "cashgrab"

I can't wait for how incredibly triggered they will all be when tomorrow morning Bethesda confirms that there will in fact NOT be another single player Elder Scrolls game, and that all future funding will allotted to ZoS for future expansions of ESO.
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I miss the guy who posted skeletons he found in game.
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>>167005842
>>167008903
>>167009028
>Right now it appears to be a favorites system which is gay as fuck.
Yeah, I can see why it gives off that impression, it wasn't my intent.

I'll come up with a rough draft on ways to attain a higher rank and put it in the MotD.

Cheers for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated.
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>>167059625
I'd literally fly to the US and organize a terror attack on their HQ. Nobody would see a white man coming.
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>>167062442
Terrorism isn't the answer, anon. It hasn't worked for the terrorists since the creation of Israel.
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>>167062625
I don't know. Killing yourself and the people responsible for the decision would be a great thing for the gaming world. It would make them fear their customers as it should be.
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>>167062685
wew
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>>167063031
You forgot to call me edgy :^)
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>>167062685
Idk anon, finding all the investors would be a bit tricky.
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>>167064154
I'm a patient white man. Just look at how long i've been waiting for eso to get good.
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>>167065781
Less than a year?
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>>167065781
Sure, "good" in gigantic quotation marks.
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>>167066658
Bingo
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What's the most obnoxious and annoying pvp build you can play at low level with shit gear?
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>>167067997
Anything with a bow. There's little that is more annoying than constantly being attacked, even if it's for no damage.
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>>167053172
>>167053298
>>167053302
>>167053461
The problems is you shouldn't have to run 18k health yourself, you should be at 16-17k and then have a tank who isn't a complete shitter noti running 5pc ebon
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>>167068442
>implying I don't stand there holding block and casting def rune while they sit on keep wall having to break cc every time
fuck me I love bow shitters, always running around with sub-20k health in full divines, literally free ap.
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http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo/elder-scrolls-online/elder-scrolls-online-exploits/
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>>167071152
wait for next patch for hist bark and tbs exploits, they can't fix them so instead they are making it so you can't actually see player buffs that longer than 30 seconds even with addons, so nobody will actually able to actually tell if you're exploiting and report you.

Seriously, I'm not even taking the piss.
#ZO$logic
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>>167046392
Howabout you stop being a 5k DPS shitter
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>think im a pretty good healer
>in full babysitter mode you actually have to try and kill yourself to die when im healing, can and have BoL spammed for 15+ minutes straight
>on average with the average group i put out 18k
>buy some TBS to test it out and have some fun in DPS role
>amazed at how much DPS im doing (like 27k) when my friend who is also a DPS is only like 23k when hes been in the role since forever
>do a random vet dungeon where everyone is maxed
>healer is using all these skills i dont use
>pull insane dps literally think someone is using hacks to make me hit harder im sure i hit lik 80k with a jesus beam

>realize all along i was a shit healer
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>>167055954
>stream about ESO
>next chapter of ESO
>great year for ESO
>b-b-but I hope they reveal a HD re-release of morrowind
>literally a reveal that would be E3 main presentation worthy on a stream about ESO that'll have like under 1k viewers
you sure are a optimistic dumbfuck, next you'll be saying R* are going to reveal the next GTA game with all the previous maps combined in the lonely heart column of Durham's local newspaper.
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>>167047796
No, we don't need jewelry craft, new class, spell craft or run/dodge with magicka. We just need is an addon to strip off NPC clothes.
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>>167072570
>in the lonely heart column of Durham's local newspaper.
top kek
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>>167059660
boo
not him, but I can take up the mantle if you want
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When the hell did they update writs?
>straight 4k gold
>almost 1k+ of trash to vendor
>chance at gold mats
>2 surveys
>go over to survey
>every node is giving me 30+ raw mats
I guess I'll have to do maths on how many mats I used but this don't seem to bad
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>4 demon frogs sacrificed on a table
What did they mean by this?
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>>167072570
This. Every fucking time ESO social media accounts post anything the replies are full of "DRAGONS WHEN???" "ES6 WHEN???"
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>>167033023
Where is that pic from?
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How come the ability Shield Charge almost never works?

Do you have to be on flat ground for it or something?
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>>167079673
[Wamusato Haru] NikuNiku Model-san | Meaty Ms.Model (NEO QUEENDOM 2)
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>>167080180
Are you gay?
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>>167080180
Thanks a lot, anon
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>>167080904
>he doesn't like muscle girls
What are you a faggot?
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>>167081378

Of the highest order, no doubt.
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>>167072075
What were you using, lad?
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>>167081378

Seriously.
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Hey guys, I've come from the future to bring you this:

http://www.shacknews.com/article/98829/the-elder-scrolls-online-returns-to-morrowind-in-upcoming-expansion

It's... an expansion
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>>167086076

Video already got puled, but there is a a lot of stuff I'm iffy about.

We'll just see in an hour.
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>>167086076
I love when they say "It's an expansions, not a dlc" and they sell a thing for a higher price. And people will still buy it.
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>>167086230
I know, I'm not particularly thrilled about this. I was looking to buy Vvardenfell with crowns I saved up from the last sale instead of real money.
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>>167086076
If I don't have access to this via sub I'm going to ree pretty hard.
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>>167086076
New zone

New class

Battlegrounds
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>>167053663
Is it worth it?
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>Tfw in class at 2
Please post updates lads
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>>167086812
You get all the hairstyles and can change between them anytime you want. I personally use it for like 3 or 4 hairstyles I switch to but it's pretty neat to be able to do so.
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>tfw you're gonna end up forking 40 bongs for this expansion cause you're a weak ass bitch
And I have no regrets
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>>167072570
>you sure are a optimistic dumbfuck, next you'll be saying R* are going to reveal the next GTA game with all the previous maps combined in the lonely heart column of Durham's local newspaper.
Meh, it's more comparable to when Modern Warfare Remastered got announced.
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>>167087429
CHIM
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>>167086273
It triggers me so fucking hard when people claim that todays DLC's aren't expansion packs.
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>>167087823
B-But there is more content!
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>>167087823

For me, the factor is how much they add. Like, thieves guild adding content to zones that already existed, I'd call that a DLC. Adding one or two zones, DLC. Adding several new zones and quest lines, that more expansion packish.
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>>167087823

>>167087918

Plus apparently battlegrounds and lots of new game modes, sure looks like an expansion.
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10 MORE MINUTES UNTIL THE STREAM STARTS

twitchDOTtv/bethesda
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>>167088732
>invalid address
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>>167088732

Already there.
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>>167088781
had to get past hiroshimoots spam filter
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And live with a countdown!
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I always forget how many actual shitters play this game until I see stream chats. Christ almighty.
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>Game is fucking trash for balance
>Adding a new class
I swear to all the gods Wrobel, I'll see you hanged
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>10k people actually watching now

I was expecting a lot less to be desu.
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>>167087918
The implications of an expansion is that it's not classified as a DLC and as such isn't covered by ESO+. And that's absolute bullshit if that's the case.
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I really like this soundtrack
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>>167088972

I guess it would depend how much actual new content is being added. Like, 10 - 15 new zones and 60 hours of new quests, plus new dungeons for each zone and a few new trials, I'd say that'd be a lot to include for $15 a month.
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>>167088910
Game sold millions more than FFXIV, I'm not surprised. ESO attracts the biggest casuals of all. Girls.
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>>167088910

I had to turn off the chat. It was moving so fast it was giving me a headache and distracting me from the screen.
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>>167089098
Yeah, even Jenna Marbles made a video about this game
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>>167088918
If the rumours are true and they release a warden class I'll go fucking bonkers because the last thing we need is a new class.
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1 MORE MINUTE AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
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Here we go faggots.
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OH GOD
I'M ON THE HYPE TRAIN
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>>167089345
That's very offensive.
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>>167089098
>don't call my gf a brain dead monkey, bro
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just show us the goods Firor you mug
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what's happening?q
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Oh I'm hard now
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its 2 minutes past the hour, stream hasn't started

>yfw you were bamboozled
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BEAAARR
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Warden confirmed!
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morag tong dunmer cutie, claiming as waifu
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RED MOUNTAIN
>>
NEW CLASS

NEW CLASS

NEW CLASS

and a bear

MOOOORRROOOOWIND
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June 6, 2017
>>
>43k viewers

Pretty good, not dead at all.
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>June 6th

so close to my birthday
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I FUCKING MISSED GIVE ME LINK TO TRAILER
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>>167089708
Christ, and I was saying it was too early to hype Vvardenfell for May.
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CLIFFFFFFF RACERRRRRRRRRRR
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>Summon Cliffracer is a Warden class ability
what the fugg
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>Meet Vivec

well shit
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>Vivec is a main quest giver
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>Ice elemental powers (seemingly tank)
>Nature healing
>animal companion skilline (bear ultimate)

so Warden is like uh Sorc + Temps
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>New trial in Sotha Sil workshop
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Mothafuckin Seyda Neen
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>4v4v4 Battlegrounds
CALLED IT
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>>167090148
They are really cockteasing Sotha Sil without actually showing him fully.
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>>167090163
Just fuck my poorfag shit up
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Redesigned Vivec looks sweet.
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>>167090285
Where'd you find this
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>>167088732
hey I recognize that girl
cutiest kelly
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>>167090361
On the main site.
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HORSE, ARMOUR(ED) CONFIRMED!
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>Another class skill line with heal focused

Finally

>Ice powers

Time to test out that meme staff tanking
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Three houses?

THREE HOUSES?

THERE ARE SIX HOUSES.
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>warden
>vardenfell
>housing on monday
my dick is diamonds
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>There are people who haven't played Morrowind before

We call those 'shitters' my friend
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>>167090652
on Vvardenfell
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YAGRUM WHEN?
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>Niub
>>
These people never played Morrowind.
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>clockwork city dlc
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>Clockwork City is just constantly being teased without being fully released

...
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>new, new player tutorial
doesn't that sort of kill off the entire main story of muhh mog balls soulless fucktoy?
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>>167090862
was fucking triggered when i heard that
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>capture flag mode
>team death match
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>this guy just said you went to the Clockwork City in the Tribunal expansion
>Niub
>Focusing on PvP arena battles with leaderboards

Jesus fuck.
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>>167090163
>doesn't come with ESO+
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>167091152
>this guy just said you went to the Clockwork City in the Tribunal expansion

You did.
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>>167091152
Yeah it's been known for a while Pete is a faggot.

The guy in the middle is cool though.

>>167091195
Pete just did on stream when he tried to spoonfeed the grill.
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Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit!
That morrowind theme song at the end I feel young again.
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>cinematic features warden and dunmer expansion
>warden is an n'wah
how is this acceptable
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I'm bretty triggered D:
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>>167091385
I think it's meant to be Naryu Virian and the player character, who's a meta redguard stamwarden.
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The new class is available to everyone or you have to purchase the "expansion"?
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>A single workshop for Sotha Sil is dangerous and crazy enough to be a full fucking trial
>while other trials were shit like locking away giant celestial monsters and demigods gone wrong

Fuck how strong is he
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warden seems like a really weird mix of abilities
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Looks like they took inspiration from the TREES EVERYWHERE graphic mods.
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>Dwemer Crown Crates
FUCK YOU ZOS!
I will not buy your fucking goy crates but god damn I kill a man for a dwemer mount.
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>>167091864
Technically Balmora originally not having trees was a bit odd, given its location.
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FUCK I WANT TO PREORDER SO BAD

I'M THIS CLOSE

2017 keeps getting better and BETTER
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>>167091864
The Ghost Fence isn't up so everything isn't covered in shitty ashes.
>>
I want to go dunmer warden mag healer, thoughts? Also do we know if this will be included with ESO+? If not I should have built up enough goy bucks by then for subscribing anyway.
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>>166896172
why are people so bad at fungal2, darkshade2 and crypt of heart?

theyve been out for fucking ever and theyre literally just the old veteran modes you HAD TO DO to get s single purple key
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someone post naryu giving the cheeky smile

i know one of you fuckers print screened it
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>>167091691
>stamina redguard using magicka spells
fucking shit spec just goes to show the devs dont even play their own game
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>>167092173
I understand Dark "lol you better have a good healer, fagget" Shade 2

but how is CoH hard, or fungal 2?
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>>167092365
I can't find these screenshots on the site, link?
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seriously wtf is warden class
>ice tree (magicka)
>bear tree
>using a 2h
???
This class in practical sense look like going to be retarded as fuck.
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>>167092437
ESO Twitter page

twitter.com/TESOnline
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>>167092337
People don't understand the mechanics needed for doing hard mode. The dungeons are badly designed, you should be able to read a scroll that simply disables the protecting sphere and levels so shitters can't use them despite being told not to, to protect bad players from themselves.
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>>167092532
I hope it is a good healer class :(
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can we join the telvanni and just tell the alliances to fuck off?
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>>167092728
Literally the only thing I can imagine it doing is being a killing the dk tank meta, they somehow actually make frost tanking some sort of real shit, did they even mention anything about healing?
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>>167092939

They mentioned that they had a nature type healing tree, and a nature type PDF tree, then the defensive frost free.
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>>167092538
hell yeah
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>>167092939
Healer meta is just as bad as tank with Templar dominating healer and dk dominating tank. If this class squashes both or at least balances everything out by giving us a good tank subsitute or healer subsitute I would cry with happiness.
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>Morrowind
I'm going to have to play this shit now god fucking dammit
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Can we all have a moment of silence for fat elf?
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That's a pretty big guy
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>>167093349
Just wait, the expansion comes with it's own morrowind themed tutorial for new players.
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>tfw we'll be raided by /v/ culture
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>>167092939
Yea, and it's been datamined. Its role compared to DK tanks (and assuming it's tanking with an ice staff staffs) will boil down to if they have class skills giving it the buffs that the 1 hand and shield provides, such as fracture, maim and heroism, and a way to get magicka while permablocking.
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>>167093703
nah I just went there to check, they are still on the it's literally tortanic 2.0 rhetoric. Feels good man, that shit launch literally saved us from so many shitters.
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>>167093807
But it has healing skills/tree
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>>167093807
>get magicka while perma blocking
you can't get stamina while blocking why would magicka?
dk tanks are mostly all magicka based save for 1hshield attacks and blocking. I don't see why warden's wouldnt just stick with 1h shield? It works fine why try to fuck with balance and have a brand new class filled with shitty renamed spells as their class spells? That would be disappointing as fuck.
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even with Warden I'm still going to try a Magplar Frost Tank once Homestead hits.
>>
Best class for Warden?? I'm thinking Nord for autistic reasons
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>>167094313
>you can't get stamina while blocking why would magicka?
DK can regain stamina by casting the 1h shield ultimate :^)
>I don't see why warden's wouldn't just stick with 1h shield?
Because that would render frost staffs absolutely useless for tanking veteran trial content
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>>167094683
>Best class for Warden??
Probably Warden.
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5xst39v8wE
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>>167094683
Best race will be either the mag ones or the stam ones. If they don't drastically change anything in balance wise it will probably be the mag races that are better.

If class is better stam tanking then:
>Redguards
>Nords
>Imperial

If mag tanking then:
>Argonian
>Dunmer

If healing/dps then:
>Dunmer
>Altmer
>Argonian
>Breton

A mix of everything:
>Dunmer
>Nord
>Imperial
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>>167095521
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>Enter the Telvanni tower of Tel Fyr with your strongest allies to battle your way through the Halls of Fabrication, and explore a part of the Clockwork City in a challenging new 12-player Trial.

Divath Fyr in Clockwork City?
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>Warden class not included in the base game
double REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>167096448
millennials are so fucking entitled these days it's almost unreal.
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>>167096597
This is a very bad thing and you might be retarded if you can't see that
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>>167096597
I'm entitled in that I want WARDNE NOW and I'd be willing to throw money at them for warden to release tommorrow.
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>>167096296
>tel Fyr's a trial
Oh Fyr, never change.
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>>167096748
>The Sotha Sil trial is just Fyr and Sotha just wondering how many adventurers they can trick into dying
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>>167096637
>muhh p2w because I don't get stuff for free
E N T I T L E D
N
T
I
T
L
E
D
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>>167097131
I'm actually going to buy the upgrade, but to have an entire class which affects a major part of the game's balance locked behind a paywall is unfair IMO, at least with other DLC you could get most of the gear if you knew a crafter who owned the DLC or buy most motifs from the guild stores if you didn't have access back then. They went full jew with this DLC, and I'm afraid it'll backfire on them.
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>>167097419
You do know MMO have existed for awhile now and have done the same thing e.g. DK from WotLK in WoW, hell the expansion just last year gave a new class, this ain't some latest jewish trick.
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>>167097690
Yes, I know, but just because it's been done before doesn't justify the fact that they're still doing it.
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>>167097690
>Other MMO's are shit so ESO also has to be shit
Back to WoW or XIV or wherever you popped up from
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>>167097131
Hey man, I only play one class, but we've all seen Wrobel's capacity for balance.

Maybe we'll finally see a Red Diamond change now that those naysayers will have an actual P2W concern.
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what makes blazing shield so good as people say? i just morphed it and didn't really seem to me as such a powerful skill
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Ald'rhun is an ashlander settlement? Interesting.
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>>167099542
I think it's just under construction
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how many impen traits are recommended for your pvp gear, is there room for other traits?
>>
>been out for the day
>come home to check out if anything new happened
>warden confirmed
well oh fucking kay then.
>>
>Set 700 years prior to the events of Morrowind, the update's new story arc will center around helping Vivec -- one of the three immortal god-kings of Vvardenfell -- fortify his waning power. The quests in this expansion will culminate in a new end-game trial, where players will have to test their mettle against the brass god, Numidium, inside the workshop of another god-king, Sotha Sil.

>we're gonna fight Numidium
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Guys, I think I need to go to the hospital. It's been 3 hours now, and my erection is still painfully hard.
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>>167099268
It's pretty trash
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>>167100971
>we're gonna fight Numidium
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>he plays pact or dominion
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>>167100971
>just steps on you
>instant kill
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>>167100971
Seeing as about 100 people have managed to do vMoJ HM I wonder what they'll have planned for this one.
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>>167100971
>The reason the Tribunal gave it away was because a ragtag team of 12 shitters could beat it so how powerful could it possibly be?
DEEPEST LORE
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>>167099737
>8
I wouldn't use other traits unless you're constantly shield stacking or like dying hard and often. There really is no comparison.

You can use divines on gankers/shield stackers, but if you get caught/lose shields you'll start getting hit for ~20k crit attacks.
>>
>>167101359
>you actually beat it by setting up a trip wire that it falls over on
>>
What I want to know is if the level cap will be raised to force people to buy the expansion.
>>
Is vhulkel guard the goldshire of tamriel?
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>>167101821
>force people to buy the expansion
It's fucking morrowind, they do not need to "force" someone lol
>>
>>167101959

Yup

>>166893806
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>>167101821
They said they'd never raise gear cap again, I mean an rng loot system like this doesn't work with a increasing gear cap, that why they went with the cp system instead.

This ain't wow where the average person can get BiS in a couple months, even the most hardcore players who's literal job it is to play this game e.g. streamers, can take well over a year to get completely perfect items.

IMO raising the gear cap would cause more of the endgame community to leave than if they tried to completely remove animation cancelling.
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>>167093807
The Syrabane set lets you do that, go 3 jewelry and two small impen (for pvp) or divines (pve). Frost tanking isn't a meme
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>>167100971
Why did you copy this from that one /v/ thread?
Where is this stated? It isn't in any of the articles and threads regarding the expansion.
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>>167095521
So is Warden a pet class that focuses with frost magic then?
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>>167102703

Agree. At best, just introduce new gear sets with different set bonuses. I know it would never happen, but it'd be nice if there were more than just one BiS meta gear/class/skill combo that wasn't superior to everything else.
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>>167103026
Yes, because we all know how popular pet builds are.
>>
>>167103026
Given datamined information/the trailer its probably
>Pet Tree for Bear
>Frost Magic
>Nature Magic

With Frost being DPS and Nature being buffs/heals. this is just me guessing but it would compliment the current class composition without directly replacing anyone
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Are you preordering it?
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>>167095521
>40 dollar MMO expansion
>"30 hours content"
Better be 30 hours speedrun content or I'm going to be a bit upset
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>>167103413
Yes even if everything surrounding it is absolute bullshit. The fact that it's not included in ESO+ opens up so much bullshit we'll easily see a shitstorm bigger than the crown crates, something I don't give a single fuck about.
>>
I played this game for a week after launch - Imperial Edition.

Just saw the Morrowind trailer. Got hype.

Is it worth coming back?
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>>167103886
Best time to play the game 2bh
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>>167103061
Just jewelry craft and it's all good.
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>>167103026
This >>167103208 you are right

>>167103061
there technically already is, it just there will always be something that is that extra 1% more effective, you're talking 500-1k more dps that is fucking nothing. Currently BSW/SM/MS are all within 1% effectiveness of each other like you won't even notice the difference unless you one of the best players at that class with the most completely perfect rotation ever before seen.

That is changing next patch where BSW will be clearly much better but that is only within a perfect set up trial environment where you group has a near 100% uptime on agg horn, at which point the crit change to horn being introduced mean you'll want to BSW over the others.

>>167103484
That 40 dollar content is already half the price of an unfurnished manor to come in next week update, that 40 dollar is cheap than a motif in the crown store currently, that 40 dollar is cheaper than most mounts that have been sold for last year.
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>>167103413
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>>167103484
Pretty sure it'll be like Orsinium with loads of other shit to do, I believe from the datamine there are 5 or 6 World Bosses which might be neat.
>>
This is such bullshit REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. they've hyped me on warden too much and now I don't even want to level as a templar.
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>>167104541
>2017
>not having at least 2 of every class, 1 of each resource pool
do you even eso?
>>
>>167103413
You bet. I hate myself for it but LET'S FUCKING GO BOYS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>167103413
I will hate myself for it but of course I will, I would propably even buy that fucking collectors edition just for the figure if it was available in my country.
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>>167103413
No.

Yes.
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>>167101979
>>167104730
>>167105057
>>167105106
Is the Elder Scrolls fanbase the most easily exploitable one?

I'll probably buy it as well though kek
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>>167105238
>>167103413
Yes
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>>167105238
Only because I've not played the game for a long while and I'm curious to get back in.
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>>167100971
I haven't seen this anywhere except /v/. My guess is this is completely made up.
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>>167104375
From the way they dodged around some of the questions and the way they talk about it being an "expansion", a "chapter" and not a "DLC" I think they'll be adding onto it with "DLC". Mostly this comes from the way they talked about the clockwork city, how it's just a "taster", how it's just one of the workshops of the city. IMO I think they going to add clockwork city as like a gold coast/hew bane type zone onto Vvardenfell at later date.

>>167103413
May as well, I've invested enough time into this game and to be honest the pre-order + digital collectors shit is "great" value compared to what that shit would cost in the crown store, I'm looking at the digital shit like £20 extra for a mount, pet, emotes, etc like "well idk that bit steep for some tat" but then I realised that it'd cost me £40 just for the mount alone if it was on that pissing cash shop.
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>undaunted can give you quests from DLC dungeons you don't own
great...
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>>167105832
There is literally only one pledge per day that gives DLC pledges, the other two are open to everyone
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Ok the morrowind trailer got me kinda hyped. Who has the cheapest price on this and whats the difference between base and gold? Will i just be locked out of the story unless i buy the dlc?
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>>167104234
Cash shop vanity items are intended for good goyim
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>>167106163

Buy gold on sale, it has all DLC's except for the hist stuff which is a couple dungeons, and no sub. If you find that you get into crafting, then the sub is worth it for the crafter bag.
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Is it sad I want to buy the collectors edition to add to my piles of game mermorabilia? Especially because the TES Dwarven style is awesome and that centurion looks killer
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>The Morrowind GOTY edition box sitting on the table

Lots of nostalgia tied to that box.
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Why are people so okay with defending ZoS in making a class "expansion" exclusive? People are still seething about how they chose (and continue to choose) to kike Imperials and the "Any Race any Alliance" token, even though you can get it for a quarter off of any key site.

Who gives a shit if content phasing MMOs have done it in the past? They aren't supposed to be recreating WoW- You know, that game that exists today solely due to Stockholm's syndrome?

Next they'll reveal that all items dropped or found in Vvardenfell are ESO: Morrowind owner exclusive. Bet the mouthbreathers will eat that up.

They shouldn't try so hard to get the "Le Morrowind Remake" audience, they're all ESO-denying cancer to begin with.

/Triggered
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Are Redguards human?
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>>167107325
Is that a trick question?
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>>167107325
Redguards>Elves>Humans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Argonians
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>>167107519
t. *lf
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>that version of the Morrowind Theme at the end of the trailer

I hope I can find it on YouTube or something. Anyone?

https://youtu.be/s5xst39v8wE?t=3m38s
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>>167107075
Some parts of WoW worked well. Also you sound butthurt about an expansion pack in a game riddled with DLC. Did you not expect this to happen?
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>>167107689
t. "proud nord"
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>>167107075
>They shouldn't try so hard to get the "Le Morrowind Remake" audience, they're all ESO-denying cancer to begin with.
the "i never played morrowind" starter pack
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>>167107325
The Redguards are the saviors of the human race
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>>167106319
Any idea when it might go on sale and from who?
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>>167108940

I got it off the ZoS store during the winter break for half off. Green man gaming has sales often as well.
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>>167107867
Inferior. Call me hipster, but I prefer the original version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJD-Ufi1jGk
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Am I the only one herewho hasn't played Morrowind? I started with Oblivion and modded the shit out of it t.b.h fåm
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>>167109514
Its been on my backlog for years. I'm still a few games off from getting to it.
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>>166873416
Is the guy who made this webm as autistic as he sounds?

If you don't want to shitpost and fuck around, why the hell are you in 4chan for, specially a branch of /v/
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>mfw ending up in /v/'s thread about expansion
fucking christ that place, now I remember why I never go there. It's literally monkies in a cage flinging shit at each other.
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>>167110062
That's the last fucking drop.
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>>167110062

>Memeing back and forth
>Stating "facts" that are completely wrong
>Anyone tells them this, all they get back are "u mad" and smug anime girls

Pretty much the worst containment board on the site.
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why a redguard has a japanese name? "gaiden shinji", seriously?
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>>167110563
he's part akaviri. probably
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Will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxmbfvycbv0 come true?
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>>167109514
Installed it with a bunch of mods, it worked for a few days then started crashing on atartup out of nowhere. Uninstalled out of frustration because installing those mods and making sure everything works took a long-ass time.

Thinking about playing through all the scrolls now while reading lore and paying attention tbqh.
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>>167110563
Look at his armour, silly.
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>>167110397
/vg/ is a containment board. /v/ is just underage from all sorts of cancerous places like neogaf, tumblr, reddit, ifunny. the lack of board culture and dubs killed /v/
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>>167111938
All boards except /a/ are contamination boards.
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>>167111938
Yeah, we contain all the beautiful ones here, as the cancer breeds elsewhere and drags us all down.
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>>167110062
>the /vg/ threads are alright
>the /v/ ones are fucking awful
>no avatarfagging or ERPing
>no namefag drama and grown men pretending to have e-relationships
>guild's only downside is not being active enough sometimes
what the fuck is this game
how does it resist the /vg/ curse
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>>167112943
generals are cancer. trying to turn an image board into a forum is cancer
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>>167113208
Because you can't make waifus, the women are too ugly to attract the ERPing, avatarfagging degenerate crowd that exist in /wowg/ and /ffxivg/
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>>167113208
Content.
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>>167103413
>Are you preordering it?
>85 GB
I need to order a new hd first.
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The fact that it says "Bethesda Softworks" in the trailer confuses me. Shouldn't it say Zenimax Online? Or are Bethesda Game Studios and Zenimax Online cooperating on this one?
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>>167113208
This >>167113286 and devs won't release any ridiculously jrpg/kmmo tier female armour or lingerie outfits.

It's also down to that shit launch, I've said it earlier, pretty much all the shitters and normies tossed this game to the side after that launch and have never looked back, only to poke it away with a bargepole when mentioned.
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Would be cool if you could mount your Warden bear, like I ain't talking mount combat that ain't happening don't even say it but just riding it like a mount and when you dismount it stays spawned fighting alongside you, just little QoL thing I guess.
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>>167114981
You could always get the bear mount but it wouldn't be the same
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Is there a possibility of ZOS ever merging the PC, xbone and ps4 servers?
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>>167115924
no
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>>167110563
>Yokuda
>Frandar do Hunding Hel Ansei No Shira
>ect
We wuz Japanese.
Akaviri have sort of Indian names though.
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>>166979465
The only thing that matters when you start are your class and alliance, everything else can be changed. Pick a class you like and experiment with it throughout the game instead of dumping it. bored of mag dk using a 2h sword? find a staff, etc
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>>167108681
ehehehehheh

quality post
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what kind of mount would an orc ride?
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>>167109495
I prefer it too but I would love to hear that new version in it's entirety
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>>167116903
A horse
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>YWN attract the attention of a lesbian orc
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>>167113208
Because we don't allow it. It's as simple as that; if we don't reply to shit like that it goes away.

I've seen (at least in NA PC guild) when someone starts sperging out people will say something like "Please stop" or "Contain your autism" and if they keep doing it we simply don't reply and it has worked wonders.

A community only goes to shit if we allow it.

Keep being an example for /vg/, /tesog/. I lob yas, bbs
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>>167116946
is an horse an athlete?
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>>167092071
>pre-ordering
Why? Don't you get the pre-order bonus with the digital upgrade even if you don't pre-order?
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How much HP do you need as a blazing shield templar? I have 55k (60 in CP campaigns) and I'm getting rekt in Azura and even more so in Trueflame (I'm 200 CP). The shield just pops faster than I can cast it, not even counting stuns.
I recently migrated from BWB (plated there for like 9 months with my alts) and I'm just getting rekt. I don't know if it's partly the build's fault?
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>toggle turns off every time you go through a loading screen
fix this shit
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>>167117047
>Lesbian Orcs
w..wew lad
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Would I be able to buy this new expansion with crowns?
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>>167118852
Hi. Blazing Shield Templars are bad.

It doesn't work even with 80k HP and max CP.

They're so terribly situational that the only situation they're somewhat good at is walking into a zerg of VERY bad or new players, surprising them (they can't see you coming), and having one or two Magplars in range to constantly BoL them.

TL;DR, Healthplars worse than Stamplars
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>>167120786
great question

can someone please respond with a source? So I can save my crown allowence
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>>167120786
>>167120889
No.
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>>167120889
No, cash only, consult forums
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>>167120972
Fuck this then.
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>morrowind DLC wont be available for ESO+ members
>morrowind DLC is unable to be bought with crowns
>morrowind DLC is le "EXPANSION" so its a whole new game chapter! 50$ minimum!

So are we getting 2 new trials and 4 new group dungeons or another huge ass zone like craglorn or wrothgar with some great expansion classes adn expansion content and expansion quests and expansion that takes 3 months to complete and is definitely worth every single cent
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>if you want to be an end-game tank, you have to be a DK
>if you want to be an end-game healer, you have to be a templar
how do we fix this, lads?
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>>167121287
By giving Warden Frost tanking and Nature healing!
Honestly I think it would just buffing the healing/tanking of the other classes so they are all around the same level.
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>>167121158
I don't care about ESO+ plus, that's fine
But the crowns! I've been a long time subscriber, have near 5k crowns in my account and there's nothing worthwhile on the store to purchase. I don't understand why I can't spend crowns on this expansion pack.

>>167121287
The Warden
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>>167121383
Because it's an expansion pack, anon! That's different from a DLC!
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>>167121495
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>>167121383
You could burn them all on a nice house.
>>167121495
It is different because it comes with more content, if a DLC had included an entire class before now then I'd feel different but so far we are looking at a new trial, at least one new zone whatever that includes, a new class and battlegrounds.

Also I'm waiting to see them specify what is included in Morrowind and what is coming to the Base game.
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>>167121375
>>167121383
>only viable tanks are dk and warden
>only viable healers are templar and warden
>sorc and nightblade are still only allowed to dps
alternatively, dk tanks, templar healers, sorc and nightblade dps, and warden sucks at everything.
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>>167120865 #
But they told me it's good! Yeah, it works with new/poorer players sometimes and it's fun to blow people up, but not so fun when 5+ people with high damage, proc sets and whatever start banging at you and stunning you and before you can renew your shield your HP has already dropped to 30% and you die in 5 seconds. Or when 2 sorcs attack you from distance and you have 3 Jesus Beams on you.

How are the people who manage to survive and tank multiple people for a long time with healthplars on videos do it though? More CP and bigger shields?

I'm going to change this guy to a frost templar next patch
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>>167105238
Nah you wanna talk exploitable look at Overwatch. The more casual the fanbase, the easier it is to exploit.

>>167107075
Nigga its a company with employees to pay, investors to satisfy, and money needed to drum up for TES:VI. As much as we dislike it, don't hate them for doing what they have to do to survive.

Besides, we're getting homestead for free. Hearthfire cost money in Skyrim
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>>167121915
They hinted to another DLC coming soon as well with more info tomorrow on the forums.
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>>167108681
need to fix orc
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>>167113208
Standards. Most of us have been fans of and played other games. Some extremely popular. As such i think its safe to assume most of us that stuck around were abhorrent of that kind of autismo. So its become an unwritten rule in its own way.

We may not be massive but at least we arent as spastic as Overwatch generals or retarded as the Undertale tumblrinas
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>>167121287
Nerf bloodspawn set to allow other classes to employ 'fake chains' from swarm mothers without getting in the way of ulti generation for warhorn or, just nerf fucking warhorn already. It's cancer and the sole reason there's so little flexibility in the meta for all roles.
Give NBs and Templars an AoE root to rival encase/talons.

For healers, major mending is needed for sorcs and NBs outside of the resto heavy attack, and it wouldn't hurt for the cleanse support skill to cost a bit less
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>>167121579
But anon, Expansions(tm) don't come with a base game patch! ;^)
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>>167121579
Not a fan of the houses that are out, might get the one in Wayrest.

What's the point of having crowns, why can't I buy everything in ESO straight from my wallet. The point of crowns is to be a hard currency, which is a translation of our real world money. The fact I can't spend my in game currency on in game content is ridiculous.

>>167121689
You don't even know the specific skills of the Warden, the sets to come out and the balances to come
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>>167121689
>nightblade
>allowed to dps

They're barely allowed to do that now.
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>>167122003
yeah, its probably either murkmire or mephala's realm. sounds like they're probably going to make whatever they're doing tomorrow the Q2 or the Q4 addition to ESO considering how Morrowind is going to be the big packaged whammy
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SO which class is objectively the most neglected by the devs?

Meaning it is worst?
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Who else is excited to pay 40$ for a whole new ZONE! I cant WAIT for WARDEN its a whole NEW CLASS thats NEVER BEEN DONE before in ESO DLC history! Clearly this is an EXPANSION!
We got a WHOLE NEW TRIAL too! Exciting stuff guys
>inb4 "its too pricey"
They have to make money somehow you fucking ungrateful faggots what do you expect? to get what you give for money and content? All the AAA companies are doing it haven't you ever played an MMO before? LOL.

I'm pretty objective myself and I wouldn't agree but since it's a whole new Warden Never Seen Before Class being introduced I'm sold. It's not like they released a huge zone with brand new 12 man content for free or any of the past DLCs added anything completely new to the game, right?

Can't wait to try out the new 4 man dungeons they are introducing with Vvardenfell they'll definitely release them immediately and not afterwards as another paid Expansion DLC(tm) thank you based Zenimax you have my respect and I will definitely continue subbing this amazing game!
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>>167122919
Sorc was OP for a while then got nerfed and kind of forgotten. Stamina Sorc even moreso.
>>167122769
I hope its something between Homestead and Morrowind.
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>>167122938
free to play subhuman leeches BTFO!
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>>167122938
wait are you saying warden could be expansion exclusive?
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>>167123254
It IS expansion exclusive, they confirmed it on the forums.
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>>167122919
I'd have to say Templar not for neglect per se but because the dev's keep shitting on its offensive capabilities. Every update the healing abilities are relatively untouched but anything that gives a distinct advantage in PvP is shat on.

Least the fuckers could do is make Focused Charge useable
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>>167122919
Templar

Zero attempts to create any synergy among the class passives and skills.
StamDPS is terrible
MagDPS is good, but only because of one OP execute
Have no roles in PvP beside healslut
Worst tanks, but everyone thinks they're like paladins and can healtank
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>>167114031
God fucking damn I forgot how ass the Skyrim models looked simply because of the Oblivion models
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>>167123134
Nigga thats Q2. Homestead falls under what would be defined as Q1, Morrowind Q3.

Do you not understand how a fiscal year works?
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>>167123603
I understand how a fiscal year works but what's stopping them from saying all their efforts are going into the expansion and they won't have any major updates till then?
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>>167123659
Resource division, timeframe constraints, being able to keep their developments under wraps like most companies, revealing them only when ready.

Seriously this is like high school buisness shit anon
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>>167121689
>nightblade are still only allowed to dps
>nightblade
>dps
Nice joke
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>>167123534
Lets be honest though, Oblivion was good considering thats 2006 graphics.
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>>167120694
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>>167123916
kek go into pvp, They operate in packs and fuck the shit out of people on the criticap between keeps.
>>
The bullshit they're putting with not having Morrowind being part of ESO+ is the same bullshit devs pull when they have "season pass" with an unmentioned amount of DLC's and then proceed to release aditional DLC that's better than the shit you got in the season pass.
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>>167123947
True, also 2011 was the prime time for shitstain themes. Really made Skyrim feel like a backwater poorfag shithole filled with snow barbarians
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>>167124167
You'll get all the DLC for Morrowind for free though :^)
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I'll make a new general
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>>167124478
>>167124478
>>167124478
New thread
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>>167122745
>>167123916
fucking what
Why do they only have a single person balance this game if this is the result?
Honestly I came to this game because I was intrigued by the class system, but the more I hear how broken it is and how much shit just isn't viable the angrier and more disappointed I get. I play this game along with XIV, which has no class customization or itemization at all, and find myself preferring it to TESO just because it at least works over there and feels satisfying no matter what you play except for PLD.

It's so weird. There should be a fuck-ton of potential and it's completely squandered.
You think this could be fixed by by just turning each of the three skill sets of each class into some kind of tank/heal/dps focused set, or having tank/heal/dps morphs for more skills?
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>>167123534
Skyrim has the best Nords and Dunmer models
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>>167097998
hes not saying other mmos are shit you fucking retard, jesus fucking christ
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>>167124791
Honestly, all the bitching here is pretty unjustified, almost everything can be played, however you won't be 1vX ing scrubs like Sneaky or Big Ernie, hell most pvp guilds honestly don't care what you run as long as your dps output is fine, and while the "most busted sets" are a tad stronger than the others the margins are a lot smaller than you'd expect, especially wjen all the people here do is bitch about the game when they could be playing it
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