/rlg/ - Roguelike General

dead general

kill all devs

>>166713748
If we kill devs, then we will shitpost about old games.
There is no freedom to be gained that way.

>that image
The being of unparallel newness revolts against the chain of common sense once again.
Should we make a new thread and let this one die in the sand?

>>166713987
It's obviously ironic.
Ironic self-deprecation is a big part of /rlg/.

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>>166712182
Let's make roguelikes great again! (Femmy approves of this meme.)

>>166713987
its just a joke my man dont take it too far up your ass

>>166713748
this but serpents of chaos

>>166714219
>>166714106
>>166714169

Sometimes I wish I was a crawl dev.

>>166715128
But then you remove wishing and replace it with acquirement

If the Poschengband-R dev is around, could you please compile an x32 binary version? I tried to use Visual Studio 2010 to compile but it doesn't work.

>>166715813
Seconded, I have the same problem. Been stuck playing pseudoelli instead because R doesn't work.

IIRC VS2010 just hates C variable declarations that aren't at the start of blocks

so just find all the ones it complains about in the error log and move them and then it should compile fine

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i've played dcss for a long time, but im still really new to poschengband. having a lot of fun so far. just going straight melee.
anyone have any tips that aren't in the pasta?
also should I try to clear the stronghold before moving on to the orc caves?

>>166716515
Read scrolls of curse weapon while holding a powerful artifact, it will add +4 to-hit and to-damage.

>>166716683
can't tell if youre trolling or not lol

>>166716796
The first thing to do in Poschengband is to head straight to Morivant and hope to get ambushed along the way, because slaying the monsters that ambush you is free XP.

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>>166717114

>>166717114
i think you mean "head straight to Volcano"
you can just walk over the red ~ tiles

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The most bullshit death I've had. I thought I was nigh invulnerable and this dude just appears after I've been hopping these stairs for hundreds of turns and rapes me from my view distance.

>>166719974
Were you a gargoyle?

>>166719974
Yeah, just checked, you were a gargoyle. That's what you get for not using your INNATE ABILITY THAT PREVENTS JUST THIS and gonging up all the level.

>>166719974

This is why you should always cast Regeneration

>>166712182
>Dungeon on the Everchanging

jej

>>166713819

It's better than Crawl getting destroyed by braindead memers like duvessa and Lasty

>>166723779
I bitched about that two threads ago and naggers still didn't fix it.
That's roguelikes.

Is anyone else having trouble getting pcb 5.0.5 to start on windows 7?

>>166724367
>using windows

>two orb spider come into an open area while I'm fighting
>I blast out two orbs of destruction to smash the faggots
>they do the same
>orbs collide and explode like some harry potter wizardry shit
>the explosions kill some of the other spiders and fling around meat and blood
I never had fun with a mage class in a game since dragons dogma
god bless magic

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Bump.

>>166724367
Shit doesn't run for me unless I compile it myself.

Of course at that point I might as well go play pseudompaellipso-R

>>166719974
Jorgrun still exists?

holy fuck are we really this dead?
I mean I know it's Friday evening here in Europe, but I thought we're all antisocial autists here

>>166735864
I am close enough to your description, but my antisocial job has hit me with a 5-day project, I pretty much work/sleep with occasional browsing to relieve stress.

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l-lol

>>166735864
I'm just watching my Japanese documentaries about girls and playing PCB when the plot gets boring

>>166736332
seriously anon are you ever going to learn
just pay the 80 gold or whatever to identify shit before selling it

it's a net profit for almost all {good} or better items

>>166735864
I don't play roguelikes

>>166736382
>japanese documentaries
is this a meme name for animes
or are you actually watching documentaries

>>166736415
It was a {cursed} item

>>166736508
its anime about moe stuff and panties, you know the usual stuff /a/ watches haha
I'm actually watching a Japanese documentary about Japanese school girls that get forced into prostitution and hentai tier sex by older men, its just really sad to know that shit like this is real

>>166736290
well at least you have a job I guess
>>166736382
that's cool
>>166736429
thank you for your input, I don't play roguelikes too but only because my laptop died on Monday and since I can barely afford to eat and pay my bills, I'm stuck with a smartphone for unknown amount of time
I have been thinking about suicide a lot because it's not like I can just go out and talk to other people or find a job with my psychiatric problems

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>>166736754
That's just like, your opinion man.

>>166736754
>sad
think you mispelled hot

>>166716796
He's trolling anon. As far as clearing stronghold, part of the beauty of the game is how it is non-linear, make your own decisions and learn from them. The one piece of advice I would give (not sure if in pasta) is that if you try travelling to another town, make sure you hit '<' in the town first, otherwise you'll end up running through wilderness for days and eventually succumb to a swarm of killer bees.

>>166724367
no?

>>166736608
if it's {bad} then sell it (or just destroy it to make more room for better stuff)
if it's {awful} then identify it first

>>166738602
he is likely playing with easy_id off and is a class with weak pseudoid

You guys have any MUD you could recommend?

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>>166729726
What did you expect from a thread with an OP like this?

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>>166739420
Sure.

>>166740358
>no players
No ded ones pls.

>>166740519
Anon please. There's nobody there because they can't handle the HEAT.
You're not a scrub, are you?

>>166740618
Pls recommend game.

>>166740716
Alright
First tell me what a MUD is

>>166740790
Multi-User Dungeon.

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>>166740916
>Multi-User

When the fuck is new Nethack coming? Why are updates so slow?

>>166740959
I want them other players in my game.

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>>166736842
HELLO MY BROTHER

>>166741112
well the closest thing I can think of is InCaveAd's online server, where multiple players are thrown in a dungeon and can actively alter it.
If it's multiplayer you want you're in the wrong general. You can't multiplayer and keep the game turn based.

>>166740982
When you fork it

>>166741294
>You can't multiplayer and keep the game turn based.
What are chess?

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>>166741369

>>166741465
I honestly hate Stevonnie, it's the worst fusion

>>166741294
I play civ with my friends no problem senpai

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>>166741517
While I partially agree, this is not the place to discuss notroguelikes.
The actual worst fusion is smokey quartz.

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>>166741369
>>166741294

>You can't multiplayer and keep the game turn based

What?.

>>166741794
Oh right, smokey quartz, I stopped watching the show before she appeared. Yeah, she's disgusting, and yes, let's stop now

>>166741563
Heroes of might and magic 3.5 are awesome too.

>>166741990
>>166741465
>>166741794
>>>/trash/

>>166741369
>>166741980
i think he's trying to say that online multiplayer doesn't really work with how roguelike turns go

one guy might take 10 minutes on a single turn as he goes to make a cup of tea while trying desperately to decide on the best way to notdie
meanwhile another guy takes 100 turns in 1 second walking across an empty level to get to his stash

>>166738919
What is the difference between easy_id and no easy id?

>>166743320
With easy_id you auto-id things at level 25.
The message is "you evolve into a stone of lore".

>>166743320
Easy id gives you automatic pseudo-id and identify acts as *identify*.

>>166743449 is variant stuff.

>>166743320
default:
- pseudo-ID requires some time carrying the item before it kicks in. it upgrades to being instant at CL35
- certain classes get only weak pseudo-ID, making them unable to distinguish between good/excellent special or between bad/awful/terrible
- to know all of an item's properties, you need the expensiveish rareish *Identify* rather than just normal ID

with easy_id on:
- pseudo-ID is always instant from level 0
- every class has strong pseudo-ID
- normal identification reveals all of an item's properties; there is no need for *ID*
and also, in pseudoellimpa-r and similar variants, you get full blown- auto-ID (like from the stone of lore) at CL25

>>166743613
*record scratch*
Are you telling me that there exist people that play vanilla PCB?

>>166736813
jesus christ dude

>>166743690
PCB feels kinda cheap with easy_id on...
If I'm turning on stuff like that, I might as well just save scum...

>>166736813
seriously just go use the computors at local library

>>166743883
I told you, anon. All our shitposters are suicidal and/or depressed.

Which is why if we start ignoring them they'll just stop existing.

Literally.

>>166743690
I actually like the vanilla behavior more here, since full auto-id gives more chances to accidentally an artifact if your pack is full.

I just need a section in the town museum that automatically contains all "permanently lost" artifacts
then i'll be happy forever

>play adom against my better judgement
>reach dwarf town, a new record for me
>going further down is dangerous as fuck, go back up and ponder reaching the surface to look for an easier dungeon, starving on the way is a serious prospect
>before leaving pay the bartender for a tip
>"I HEARD THAT YOU CAN KICK STAIRS TO BECOME STRONGER"
>kick the upstairs
>dungeons crumbles and I instantly die
...

>>166744851
Well did you become stronger?

>>166745025
Clearly. He destroyed a stair just by kicking it.
That guy's hardcore.

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>>166744851
>Expecting Thomas "Herr Schadenfreude Lord" Biskup to actually give non-bullshit hints in his game

>>166744851
i'm not an adom player, but isn't the level with the ratling food merchants somewhere above dwarftown?

>>166743690
Why wouldn't I?

>>166746338
PCB-R is a thing

>>166746547
I know.... give me one good reason not to play PCB instead of PCB-R?

best pet to capture in the stronghold?

>>166746547
what is PCB-R

Let it die, you degenerates.

>>166751167
No

>>166751167
pls no, this is a comfy place when people actually contribute

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>>166751364
You can't keep bumping the thread forever, anon.

>>166751458
I just want to remake it with a better OP image

>>166751489
Watch me

>>166751628
Fool! By posting over and over you're just speeding the thread's demise!

>>166751756
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY BUMPS

Incursion question:
Does anyone know what qualifies a creature to give +stats/resists upon being eaten?

I'm going through the code on bitbucket, and as far as I can tell it's hardcoded; there's no identifiers on monsters that I know give stats/resists, the stats/resists they have don't seem to correlate to what they max out at, and even monsters of the suggested class (IE: mythics for Luck) don't always give a stat-up.

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FFFFFFFRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Tonight, to inaugurate the new IVAN pasta, I'm gonna try to win the newest IVAN version with the new win course!

It's also a good way to catch up on some of the game's mechanics and get a sneak peek at some personal techniques I've developed over the years.

The first step is to actually kill your dog and eat its corpse because the dog eas important shit on the floor and is faster than you. Let him kill some mobs before so he's softened up, then deliver the killing blow.

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Looks like we've got an easy way to kill the smith for his rings of RF, too!
I might even kill petrus with this if I find another.

Is IVAN actually THAT hard?

>>166754492
It is consistently hard becaue autobalance, you can't be overleveled or overgeared, ever.

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Took your goddamn time, fatso.
>>166754492
It's hard even if you know the ins and outs. It's a very well balanced game.

>>166755120
>>166755354
So you have to metagame to win?

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Managed to actually bite my arm off even without legs and arms. The sumo fight is always insteresting.

>>166744143
literally wrong bc after life exists

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He was like this when I first saw him, I swear.

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These daggers aint' doing their job. I need something better.
Though this is really risky without an angel to back my ass here.
Probably better to prepare.

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Just hit d:4.

I've only started playing a week ago, but even I tell this is a silver platter run. How long before i fucking ruin it.

also ice elementalist is the best why do people recommend fucking berserker its so boring

>>166757153
>>166758256
I am enjoying these posts even though I don't play IVAN
thankyou, anon. this general is in dire need of content

>>166758792
most people rec berserker for people new to the game because its a simple way to get used to mechanics (abilities and such)
and MiBe is easy as fuck.
looks like you're doing fine so far. but D:4 is nothing.
identify that rod of heal wounds, it is a very good item and you're lucky to have found one so early

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>>166656852
>If you're new then wizard isn't really a great starting background.
But I always play caster classes in everything... I guess I could try something different.
>Try some easy melee like Minotaur fighter
Holy shit this game is easy now. What the fuck were they thinking.

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Do you smell that?
Someone's about to get roasted.

A bit of lore recap: This guy not only enslaved your whole town, but he sent you to the capital risking your life to get an important scroll to the high priest, just to evade taxes.
It's payback time.
>>166758804
My pleasure, anon!

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Justice is served. I managed to make use of the lightning wand I found in Xinroch 2 (thankfully I have a ring of Relec and healing liquid in case it backfired) and cut off his arm. He's actually stupid strong and those whips hit really hard.

By the way, the most fun part about this is that he's supposed to be a champion of Mellis (god of trade and politics) and he died by the hands of an angel of his own protector.

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>>166758792
I found something good in D:4 today as well.

>don't have to kill the sumo wrestler anymore once you liberate attnam
>all the villagers get some new lines of dialogue

Neat!

>>166760187
what the actual fuck

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Alright, i've encountered a literal horde of Ice Beasts with an ice Dragon as their leader and 2 statues of ice for support.
What the hell does await near all that gold? Is this a doable layout with my current stats?

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reeeeee

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Well, that's a really nice setup.

>>166761602
>fighting: 1
Anon?

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>>166761602
Oh wait, seems like he had two fucking brothers, i'm gonna get raped isn't it?

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>>166762038
I know i know, once i reach 10 spellcasting i'll get fighting, but i gotta get those other spells online as well (have ozocubu's and regeneration).

Also FUCK YES, NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL LOOT FOR AN OCTOPODE.

>>166759027
oh woops. looks like you do have it identified. my bad

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*HEAVY BREATHING*

>>166762325
Holy fuck.

>>166762325
They were probably octopode transmuters like you, and you fucking murdered them for their hard-earned stash of rings.

>>166762325
goddamn

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>open locked door
>it's a whole room filled with grenades
>a single kamikaze dwarf that could set them all off and kill me

>he doesn't care about you

IVAN YOU GOTTA STOP DOING THIS SHIT TO ME MAN

>all those mustard gas grenades
If I can score a mine I can grab a helmet of piercing perception from the guard that patrols around attnam. Or I could even kill petrus, just for the hell of it considering I don't need him for the win condition. Too bad I can't grab anything from the cathedral's floor without enraging the guards.

>>166763569
god dammit i love ivan so much

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>>166764143
>flesh golem walked on a single mine
>ONE MINE
>the whole rom exploded
Thank god I was standing in a corner and didn't have any grenades around me or I'd have been dead.
Also check this out. This level has more than one enner beast.

Bah. My left leg is scarred in multiple places. I gotta chop it off now.

Goddamn multi-enner beasts.

>>166765258
All this time I thought that Enner Beast was an unique.

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>>166766356
Actually, they are.
It's just that Xinroch's tomb adds some new stuff.

Like that portal next to me!
Where does it go? I can't use it.
I'm pretty sure it's not something you can use yet, but it's still really cool.

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Alright this level was fucking nasty.
Tons of undead and a master necromancer behind a locked door rezzing them throughout the map.
Must have killed hundreds before reaching that asshole.

>get wombo combo of death with azazel
>decide to go kill lamb for mark
>kill lamb, game offers me a victory lap and I accept
>starts me off with my fucking brimstone, relic, devil bum and all my stats
>says that some items are taken away, jack shit
>rape everything in a 200km radius
>get to mom
>red mom, so it took a bit longer
>the instant mom dies, the retarded void portal spawns under me, trapping me inside the void
>kill delirium
>victory lap didn't count, neither did killing delirium
OK, whoever thought to have the portal be able to spawn under your goddamn feet like that needs to be shot.

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This level was even worse, oh my god.

An alternating 1x1-2x2 snake-styled corridor you have to run through, while wizards are shitting spells left and right, teleporting you around and firing beams of electricity from out of LOS? And at the end of the tunnel there's a unique, that hits for a ton of damage, too.

Jesus chirst they're not fucking around with this new dungeon! This wasn't even the end, this was the floor before the actual boss!
That's ridiculous and I love it. I'll be more cautious next time and play more carefully. It's clear that you need to read teleport immediately in this last level and just skip it.

>unironically playing roguelikes
kys

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Right in the faults.

>>166759140
Wizard is one of the more difficultish caster backgrounds. They start with some really good/useful spells but they don't have anything that they can use as a primary offense long-term so they need to adapt to what they find in the dungeon. An Ice Elementalist, Fire Elementalist, or Conjurer can last a lot longer using just their starting book.

Trying to learn this roguelike stuff with crawl, can someone help explain how +equipment works? The base stats don't seem to change after I enchant a weapon, so what exactly is it adding? Is it adding the number to the base damage? Is a 15 base damage battleaxe become 16 when it's +1? 17 when it's +2? There's so much that's confusing in this game I never know what to use.

>>166770452
It's the only kind of game I can get away with playing at work, where I get an hourly wage but on average have 3 hours of actual work in an 8 hour day.

>>166772328
not exactly

the base damage gets a multiplier from your strength, fighting skill, and weapon skill, but the bonus damage from enchantment is not

depending on how high those numbers are, a point of base damage can be worth 2-4 times as much as a point of enchantment

>>166772328
base damage always hits, and then enchantment just adds a 1d[enchantment] roll to your damage.

>>166772483
So you're saying +0 15 is better than a +3 12? Because that's the dilemma I'm in currently.
I also remember someone telling someone else not to use anything that is 1.4 speed or slower but I'm noticing every weapon I have is higher then that so fuck. Are all RLs this enigmatic?

>>166772328
>battleaxe
Don't use it, it's a noob trap. You won't hit shit and they'll hit you twice while you miss.

>>166772754
yes it is, except that the 12-damage weapon likely has a higher accuracy bonus
these mostly don't matter later on, when you have lots of accuracy from skills, but can be important very early when your skills are all low. also it likely has a lower attack delay

there's a difference between a weapon's BASE delay and its CURRENT delay -- the delay is reduced by 0.1 for every 2 points in your weapon skill, so e.g. a 10-skill character with a dagger will have only 0.5 delay (the min for dagger) instead of 1.0 (the base). This means you're attacking twice as often and doing more than twice as much damage overall

>>166772754
weapon speeds gets faster the higher your weapon skill, to a certain extent(minimum delay) based on the weapon base type.

Basically you don't want to use a weapon that is swinging slower than 1.0 speed until you have sufficient weapon skill.

The skill required to reach min-delay is stated in the weapon description, I suggest trying to reach that before training anything else in the beginning.

Don't use short blades as primary weapon, you'll want to use axes,maces,polearms or axes. Short blades are only good if you're a vine stalker(to abuse the bite attack) or if you're a stabber.

Axes tend to be good 2-handers and have cleave, maces tend to have really good 1-handers(demon whips,eveningstars) and long swords have the riposte mechanic.

watch this series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCkFpSmjkeY

>>166772901
battleaxe's are literally one of the best 2-handers, how many wins do you have anon that you actually think this?

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Vanilla Bagel.

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>>166775504

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Well, the last time I ignored the DANGER ZONE I got my shit absolutely pounded, but these are just statues... They can't be that dangerous can they? It's a portal area so I can't come back later.
What do?

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>>166775685

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>>166775712

>>166775712
If no cold resist you have just ignore.

>>166775712
Do you have any rC+?

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>>166775745

>>166775712
You can also just blink further into the cave. You'll be out of the LOS of the bottom statue and be able to quickly move away from the top statue.

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>>166776161
>wasting blink scrolls for an ice cave with no rC+

Badvice badvice badvice!

So when I was playing the DoomRL I noticed that some enemies could pick up and use armor and medkits. Is this a standard thing for most games? If I find a bad potion, can I drop it and let a goblin chug it?

>>166776704
Depends on the game.

In nethack the goblin might just throw that potion of paralysis in your face.

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>>166775928
>>166776072
>>166776092
>>166776424
Well I oopsed into the statue and started chugging unidentified potions because that's my failsafe apparently.
Got a berserk potion and killed it in three hits of my hothothalberd and I'm venturing deeper. Stupidity like this is why all my runs end poorly.

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Should have just won with 3 runes desu, I forgot extended was such a slog.

>>166777891
Don't forget your amulet of berserk

>want to play roguelikes
>TLK
>YUHJKLBN sucks shit

>>166778331
>buy a tenkeyless keyboard
>be surprised when it's shit

just remap your keys.

>>166778331
>>YUHJKLBN sucks shit

Arrow keys + YUBN for diagonals. Rarely do you ever have to move diagonally in roguelikes, it's just a bloat feature.

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>>166777891
Christ I'm so lucky, managed to dance my way in there but had to blink out with the gear. Hope it was worth it.
Things I learned:
>Dont forget your abilities
>Have things identified BEFORE combat
>When fighting elemental demons, Holy>Elemental Weakness

>>166780706
>Blowing resources in ice cave
>Recieve Demon Infused Weapons
>As a disciple of the Shining One
>Hoping it was worth it
It wasn't

>>166780158
plsbebaitplsbebaitplsbebait

>>166780951
But he can turn that into a Eudaemon blade with TSO's blessing right?

inb4 removed

>>166781385
There is , but you cannot anymore.

>>166780987
yeah right? what kind of dumbass uses the keyboard for movement when u have a perfectly good mouse?

>>166740358
It looks so comfy.
Just imagine sitting in that and playing roguelikes

Can someone explain to me again why nobody is playing Caves of Qud in here?

Please, one more time.

>>166783664
Unfinished
Paid roguelike
Around goons you lose

>>166783664

fuck off shill

>>166783959
>paid

get a job or at least learn how to pirate.

is DCSS finished lol seem worse by every release.

>>166784006
no you fuck off to DCSS so they remove you

>new IVAN, get it
>still the same old game
Oh, I thought it had implemented CLIVAN's new stuff.

Is there a cap to mutations in PCB? Could I just hang around a weird fume and let it mutate me over and over?

>>166784446
Nah man you need IVAN:SS, it's better now because it has less bloat

>>166776704
>If I find a bad potion, can I drop it and let a goblin chug it?
I find that in a lot of Roguelikes, monsters tend to inherently know which items are "bad"

>>166784146
>paying for roguelikes
>giving goons money
>implying Caves of Cuck isn't literally unfinished when you can't complete the game and most of it is completely missing

>>166784739
Pretty sure you can get every non-mutually exclusive mutation eventually, though your regen rate will be absolute garbage.

If you plan on relying on cure light wounds to heal or whatever, then it should be possible.

>>166780987
No but seriously, unless you're in a very dangerous situation where every turn matters (extremely rare in roguelikes) or you're counting turns like a superfag, you can almost always just move cardinal+cardinal rather than diagonal. Perfect solution for laptop users.

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ez game, ez life

2nd 15-rune win

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>>166786094

Crawl Linesprint perfectly solves this problematic feature of making diagonal movement seem optimal and required. Linesprint is truly the ideal game design of the current Crawl.

>>166784739
The more mutations you have, the slower you regenerate HP.

The regen penalty is significantly lower for beastmen though.

>You have slain The Minotaur of the Labyrinth!
>The Ultimate Dungeon Cleaner destroys a Rod.

>>166785948
>>166787504

There's a place you can have specific mutations cured though, right?

How do you change the order of your inventory items in PCB? Made a macro to cast magic missile at closest target but it messes up if I pick up a new spellbook since it goes to the top of the list.

>>166788119
The secret town in the mountains will cure muts, yes. Not sure how much control you have over it.

>>166788119
You can't cure specific mutations. The chaos tower in Zul will cure random muts for 5000gp each, but there's no way to pick and choose which ones stay or go.

>>166788162
You can inscribe a spellbook with, say, @m1 and then when you use the 'm'agic command, '1' will always select that particular book, regardless of where it is on the list.

>>166788119
The best you can do is get a 1/2 chance (at max level) of only removing a bad one with the life magic spell. Everything else is random.

>>166775504
>Select all squares with stop signs

How much HP is enough before venturing into Hell? I don't want to get assguttered by Hellfire because I was 50 or so HP short of the optimal amount.

>>166790310

Around 150

>>166790390
Ok, so I'm about 40 short. I guess I'll go clear out the Hall of Blades or maybe Tomb.

>>166790310
You can get hellfired in Pan too ,and you do that before Hell anyway, but as long you have decent fighting skill you're basically fine.

The bigger problem is torment really, so have some rN and high stealth and/or statue/lich form.

>>166790491
Not him, but what kind of 3-rune character has 110 HP?

>>166790491

You don't need that especially if you're a caster when even 100 hp is enough. Just get Regeneration.

>>166790585
my Fighting is 10 right now, so I'm a little behind the curve. But Torment shouldn't really be a problem.
>>166790771
I'm a gargoyle that decided to focus on spells and armor and dodging and evocations and I kind of forgot about fighting.
>>166790791
I got regen at 50%, should I invest in Necro to bump it up further or no?

How does "attracts [X]" work in PCB? Does the enemy get free attacks on you when it appears, or is it fine to just sit in town and mow down whatever pops up? Is it based on level of the area you're in?

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>>166790949
10 fighting is really low, even if you're a caster. pic related is my 3-rune gargoyle win. It's always good to have more fighting, especially with gargoyle who only reach 200 HP at 27 Fighting at XL 27.

You'll want regen very reliable because you'll want to be casting that shit constantly, and torment is a big issue especially if your HP is that low as 2 torments will bring you to about 25 HP.

Has Necromutation spawned in your game? It might be worth getting it since it completely nullifies the threat of mutation,torment and spell hunger.

You'll need alot more than 10 fighting

>>166791553
No necromutation. I've been getting by with OoD, Iron Shot, and Shatter. I have Statue form available, but I haven't really invested in Transmutations so it's sitting at a 21% failure rate and awful duration.

>>166778331
Just buy a numpad.

>>166791771
Pretty sure gargoyles can't cast statue form, so if necromutation hasn't spawned then you'll have to be fairly careful in extended.

It's still doable, there is infinite exp after all, but you'll want to bail immediately on situations where there are more than 1 tormenter on screen because there's less margin for error with low HP.

>>166779057
>TKL keyboard
Please, it's a laptop.

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>>166792162
Gargoyles can't cast statue form... If you're playing after 0.15.

Also I dun goofed, I actually have 147 HP. I was taking a break and had the game closed like an idiot and thought the 4 was a 1. Maybe I should just call it quits for the night since I'm clearly not thinking properly.

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>>166712182

Hey /rlg/

MS paint anon back atcha with some fresh OC.

Enjoy my first multi-panel artistic endeavor

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>>166792631

>>166792601
You're basically fine then, if you HP is 147 AND you have statue castable.

good luck on 15 runes.

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>>166792790

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Last one

Based on a true story

>>166792631
>>166792790
>>166792951
>>166793115
It is more confusing than being the subject of mass confusion spell, pounced at by a felid and having small parts of brain transmuted into ethanol. At once.

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[https://youtu.be/3Ln6cZ21heo intensifies]

>>166791310
it IS based on the level you're in, so you'll get worthless 0xp trash in town

>>166786094
Yeah cos when a monster is in a tile diagonal to you... no amount of snark can finish this sentence.

>>166786094
or they could just stop being shitters and learn the proper controls

Is there no way to increase your weight capacity in IVAN? Being burdened is so easy with metal armor.

>>166794749
And this is considering how many keystrokes? You're only attacking monsters for 5% of any game, so why would you give yourself carpal tunnel trying to one-hand your directional moves?

like how are vikeys real nigga hahahahahah like just move your hand nigga hahahahah haha hahaahahaha

>>166795341
Leg strength or belt of carrying.
Your leg strength should increase if you're burdened for a long time or kicking a lot.

>>166795461
>vikeys
>put hand in a natural, normal typing position on the home row
>somehow get carpal tunnel

whatever godawful way you're doing shit with left hand on yubn and right hand on arrow keys is likely way worse for your tendons

>>166795719
>normal
>hyperextending your index fingers thousands or even tens of thousands of times per session

yeah great idea, what could wrong

>>166797192
>hyperextending
what does this even mean
the keys are all literally adjacent to where your hands sit on the home row

...are you one of those people who never learned to touch-type and still look at the keyboard whenever you need to make words

>>166797192
The numpad exists specifically for data entry, and causes no problems. I've been playing *bands with the numpad for over 25 years, as well as working jobs that have involved data entry, and I have no wrist problems.
tl;dr you're a fucking moron

>get to level 7 as a Druid
>with all the combat buffs stacked, in okay combat form, have a ~20+ bonus to to-hit and a ~10+ bonus to damage
My only complaint is that all the forms that have cool mechanics, for example the tentacle monster one that can swallow enemies upon critical hits, crash the game every second hit.

>>166797547
Place your right hand on the arrow keys. Perfectly natural. Hardly any movement needed to press the four.

Now place your hand in vikey position. The hjkl is fine; no movement, you could press it a million times and not get strained. But when you add yubn, you have to exert (relatively) more motion in your hand to get them. How many actions are you performing per hour of roguelike time, times how many hours have you played in your life? It all adds up, so why not exert the least motion possible?

>>166797594
we are not talking about the numpad you ILLITERATE

maybe instead of an accounting degree you should've gotten one in ENGLISH

Why'd you use keyboard for movement when you can use mouse?

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>>166799352
Why use your hands at all?

>>166800691
[muffled screeching]

>>166800691
Why track eyes when you should be tracking the mind?

>>166798989
you understand that there are real adults in the world with real jobs who type, like, all day?
vi-keys are on the home row, used in a normal typing position, and they won't cause any more strain on your hands than normal typing will
the only finger you even need to move is your index finger, and only by less than an inch

yea doing something with WASD all day could give you carpal tunnel maybe, but vi-keys are rather more ergonomic than that

>>166801097
SOON

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/typing-with-brain-monkeys

>>166800691

This would kill your eyes though

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I got my first rune
take that anon who said I wont live and die the way I'm playing and gave me good advice (thank you)
some other anon said that I should start spending points to the school of the first level 9 spell I found and the first level 9 spell was shattered form earth school that I have 0 points in, should I start putting points in there or its better if I pump up my fire and wait for a level 9 fire school spell?
http://pastebin.com/qgE2Zgs4

>>166792631
This OC is stale. You actually posted it already a month ago.

Why are you such a shitter, anon?

>>166801482
Go with fire, and you probably don't need that high of a spellcasting skill for now. Pump up conjurations and fire magic, then when Vehumet rewards you with firestorm as his final gift, you'll be ready to use it.

>>166801482
>some other anon said that I should start spending points to the school of the first level 9 spell I found
dont listen to that anon he's just a wizardaboo

yeah rushing for level 9 spells while putting 0 points in fighting/dodging might be FUN, but it's not actually GOOD

you can win the game with just level 6 spells like ironshot

is there an option to always display the level "feeling" in poschengband? Instead of having to press ctr+f. Like in quickband

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what if theres a roguelike about cars
and the gas is food?

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>>166775504
>>166775685
>>166775745
>>166776108

>>166805047
Cata?

>>166804725
It displays in the color of the level at the bottom of the screen.

>>166806606
what if theyre robots instead?

>>166805302
>le dont eat meat
what if I don't care about how my food feels before its ready?
our ancestors didn't fight their way to the top of the food chain for faggots like vegans to feel sorry for morning bacon

>>166805302

You've stepped on 3 (three) ants yesterday. You ARE guilty of murder and you should commit suicide as penance

>>166806865
i dont care whether you eat meat, anon, but please don't eat the obvious veganbait

What's with tavern's obsession of obliterating tedium when the game itself is the tedium?

>>166807418
Somewhere along the line, "streamlining" became synonymous with "ideal design."

What do you listen to while you Crawl?

>>166808846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qfahVKQxRQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3DxxHQMn3s

Still trying to find out the perfect combo for nightmare.
I need a heavy hitter than can cast spells and regen mana.

Shrewd athena demigod at maxstats brings the nightmare spell failrates down to 2% on herbal healing, which is good, but considering any psion can cast a 450 healing spell for a 0% failrate and can regen mana, that's better.

Tonberry psion still looks like a good combo, with the speed and healing and psycho spear and whatnot, but it lacks the ability to use wall of stone and forest creation, plus the psi storm ability caps at 500 damage without any other spell enhancing item like the crown of beruthiel, which is not guaranteed anywhere WoS is good against anything but the serpent since if you're in a tight spot you can simply tele away, entomb yourself and spam clear mind/healing so the monster doesn't regen too much health, but just teleporting away usually is fine.

Dopplegangers can turn into ents that are capable of casting forest creation as a racial spell, plus turn into demigods for summoner fights and chargedraining melee fights and golems for stoneskin.
On the minus side they're incredibly weak and get their tonberry form only at level 28. Not to mention they have an ubiquitously horrible life rating, even if you can polymorph into things that have better life rating. Also being dispelled from your form at medium-low hp, (again thinking of the serpent fight) is 100% deadly.

At this point it's more of a chess game than actually playing the roguelike. I have to find out which combo is the possible best but also the most viable.

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When you can kill hulk in melee without any trick, this is starting to get boring.

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>>166811824
Welcome to the club.

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Finally, Dragon Form is castable with 20% failure chance, and my staff of energy will allow me to not starve each time i use it.
So it begins, the great hoarding of our century...
But this time online LIVE.

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Ok lads, literally down the stairs there's the Royal jelly, i've buffed myself upstairs and healed before descending in the maws of the jelly king.
Is this enough to pummel it or will it still rape me with summons and acid?

Man, I forgot what sucked the most about about getting a Dr off the ground. Fucking Dr player ghosts.

>>166812226
>20%
>castable
That's a great way to permanently mutilate yourself.

The shittiest OP image I have ever seen in my entire life.

>>166816813
if it triggered you then its working as intended

>>166816813
It's true though.

>>166816813
>>166817006
crawl babies and crawl devs on suicide watch

>>166816813

t. Lasty

>>166730728
>0.14
Why?

>>166817549
Because I don't like the next versions, obviously.

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Ooh. A robe named after /rlg/.

>>166819869
speak for yourself faggot, I'm literally living the dream

>>166814062
"maybe"
I've only killed the Jelly like twice and survived, but that looks like a pretty good place to start.

>>166801631

I posted the first image a month ago, the next 3 I've made since then

Maybe next time I make crawl ms paint art I'll just remove panels from stuff I have already made and call it a new version?

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name something more satisfying compared to the bloody massacre that destruction orb makes
its just literally perfect to imagine that blood splattered walls while a mage clad in armor is covered with blood and hungers for more power
page 10 bump

>>166830567
oh hey
you're still alive
was the advice good

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>>166830567
Blowing Mara right out.

>>166806731
thankyou. didn't notice this for some reason.

>>166783664
I've been playing it but I find it stagnates after around level 20. Not enough in the game to warrant long time playing, and even past that there's an update each week that breaks saves. I don't have much time to play each day so end up having to stop a game if its getting long. I would post about it but I'm not good at roguelikes.

>>166814062
never melee trj in the open

pick a different downstairs, go to the structure in the center, and fight it in a hallway

preferably with summons behind you to minimize the amount of jellies it has room to spawn

>>166832136
I think those advice are the reason that I'm still alive
the mace flinging in 1 auts literally saved me 10 times when magic resistant creatures or when shit hit the fan and I ran out of MP and got surrounded
thanks again anon

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>>166833334

Goddamn, death swords. Fucking... Shit.

It's so slow to get started and due to the fragility a single mistake or unlucky crit kicks your ass back to the curb.

>>166835318
Death swords without 555?
What are you, a masochist?

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For some reason it gave me 4 talents instead of 3 (i'm a Drakeling Merchant).
Do i pick Heir + Alert or Alert + actually useful talents like Healthy and stuff?

Yeah I don't really see the appeal of deathsword

all the grindan' of ring but instead of cool/unique/different gameplay you just play like a regular warrior.

>>166835601
You can get extra talents from things like star signs, having a high starting mana stat, etc

>>166835601
I would suspect that the merchant heir item is not going to be especially useful, but I don't know.

Probably you want things like +speed or +pv if you're looking for things to keep a squishy merchant alive early on.

>>166835534

555? What?

>>166835634

Well, you don't have to worry about the RNG randomly tossing you off your bearer. Which is nice. (Unless that's a non-issue later on in the game or something.)

>>166836336
That's always an issue, especially since the cool bearers are uniques and uniques do that 10x more often.

Ring is still kind of weak but it's a lot more INTERESTING to play than sword.

>>166836158
>he doesn't know
Just don't play death swords man
it's not worth it

>>166836127
I was thinking on focusing on throwing golden coins, but do the talents improve improvised ammo as well? Or are they not considered "missiles"?
>>166835759
Ohh nice, only splatted two characters until now, a Drakeling Merchant and a Mist Elf Necromancer.
This game is FUN and feels like a D&D simple roguelike campaign, but it's fucking hard, death is in every corner.

>>166719974
What is fly
What is fog
Nah, lets just play retarded as a stone dude against a shatter caster.

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Thanks xom

>>166838550
>you are somewhat resistant to further mutation
kek

>>166838898
WIth this many good mutations, this is a good thing

>use potion of enlightenment as a ninja
>lights up the entire level
I didn't think this one through.

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>>166838968
Pretty sure xom ignored mutation_resistance

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SEE, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WITH DEATH IS AROUND EVERY CORNER.
I can't win this shit with spit acid, literally my only thing that does SOMETHING, merchants may be cool for roleplaying, but they suck at combat.

>>166840145
what you do
is you go back in that 1x1 corridor and kill orcs
then you go up with one orc
you kill the orc
you rest
and keep doing that for all the orcs

>>166836574

Ah. 555 is an old exploit that's been nerfed?

So... basically, Death-Swords are just not worth fiddling with? What about Rings?

>>166840395
they're not just challenge races, that would be okay.
They're unfun. They require a level of grind unseen by mortal men and in the end both rings and death swords are just shit.
All monster classes tend to be pretty bad.

>- Feature 2970 - [RFE] Allow wishing for every skill.
>- Bug 1513 - Alertness and Healing skills can't be wished for

After two decades, Biskup finally fixed it.

>>166841193
took his sweet ass time.

>>166840145
Holy shit those tiles suck hard.

I mean, the orcs look cool, but they all look so fucking identical and also identical to player.
If it at least always had player facing right and everyone else facing left, that would improve visibility a fuckton.

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just one more floor until I get my sweet third rune
I can already feel the power of the rune flowing through me
more blood for the blood god soon

>>166842691
wow so much blood
you splattered their blood all over the floors
you splattered their blood all over the walls too
look at all the weapons on the ground
they won't be using those weapons any more
they can't pick them up any more
they can't do anything now can they
you splattered them all over
it's only blood everywhere now
so much blood everywhere
the violence must have been incredible
slashing and crushing and tearing and gushing
lots of explosions too probably
you're such a big bad deep elf
i'm getting excited just thinking about it
was it good for you
was it good ungghhh

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>>166843563
anon what the fuck
I cant stop laughing

I accidentally a 14 head hydra
What do

>>166843974
evoke feet

>>166843974
KEEP SWINGING YOU PUSSY

>>166843974
You goddamn idiot. You know you can't spawn Hydras with more than 8 heads, right? So clearly, you kept swinging and chopping heads off, and more came back each time...

>>166843974
TAB HARDER

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A roguelike with mechs.

>>166842217
like the tiles are good art (they look good) but bad game design (it's hard to tell what's going on)

similar to tome4's orc hordes i guess

>>166845736
Gearhead/Cogmind not what you're looking for?

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>>166843563

>>166845924
I thought Gearhead was abandonware; never heard of Cogmind

So how does the Crawl dungeon progression work? I keep finding areas like Shoals or Beasts Den, and I can't decide to go that way or stay in the main dungeon.
Initially I figured they were one-off side areas that I could clear then backtrack, but after like 4 floors I found an entrance to the Snake Den, ANOTHER branch off.

Should I be exploring all areas equally? Or explore one completely before going back? Or does going one route effectively negate another?

>>166844554
I only have a battleaxe

>>166844034
Its faster than me

>>166844164
>>166844815
IM TRYING
It's 16 now and I think I'm gonna die

>>166846883
Faster than you? Hydra's are speed 10, are you worshiping chei or something?

>>166847238
he's clearly a naga
a double naga, even

>>166847238
No Im a minotaur in plate armor is that bad?

>>166846759
1. Dungeon until Lair of Beasts
2. Lair of Beasts
3. Orc Mines
4. Dungeon until D:15
5. Both Lair branches (if you get shoals+snake den you are fucked)
6. Vaults (Don't go to V:5 if you like your anus intact)
7. Depths
8. Abyss:3 (get dat rune)
9. Zot

>>166848164
>telling a noob to get the Abyss rune

badvice

>>166847431
Armour doesn't slow your movement speed unless it has the ponderous ego, you're just as fast as the hydra. Just run away until you've got a tile distance from the hydra and leave the floor.

>>166846272
gearhead WAS abandonware but a few months ago the dev picked it up again after years of radio silence IIRC

>>166846883
>>166847431
Let this be a lesson to you:

Either get a flaming version of whatever slicing weapon you're skilled with, or find a reasonably strong crosstrainable weapon that doesn't slice (i.e. a Short Blade of some kind or a Mace&Flail weapon) so you can kill a Hydra if needed.

If you can blink or teleport away, do it. You can move at Speed 10 (that is, moving one square takes 1 turn or 10 arbitrary units of time) if you're a minotaur and not slowed. Once you get a square of distance between you and the hydra, you'll be able to escape up a set of stairs with no worries.

>>166846759
lair of beasts you can explore as soon as you find it

the things that branch off from it like shoals, snake, and ESPECIALLY slime are higher-level areas that you can't do yet

dcss does a pretty shitty job of actually communicating the relative difficulty levels of the different branches so you have to learn it through gameplay or just by looking shit up outside of the game

>>166848164
V:5 is legitimately easier than abyss for every non-ash non-stealthy character, and so is slime whereas shit can just get bad in Abyss.

>>166846759
dungeon to 10/11/12 depending on what you can handle

complete lair
complete orc
complete dungeon to 15
do lair branches
(easiest to hardest: Swamp,spider,snake,shoals)
vaults 1-4
all of depths
V:5 if tabber, Abyss if stabber, Slime if you know what you're doing since TRJ is super easy to cheese or if you're a mage.
zot
>>166846883
senpai just have a backup mace for hydras, the cross-training for axes is good enough to kill them and it doesn't chop off heads.

>>166847431
anon:

hydras are speed 10
you are speed 10
if you can't kill hydras (or any other speed10 enemy), run away when they first show up at the EDGE of your LOS, and they will never be able to catch you

do not make the mistake of charging into melee range, because that makes running away a million times harder

>>166848520
>V:5 is legitimately easier than abyss for every non-ash non-stealthy character, and so is slime whereas shit can just get bad in Abyss.
What the fuck am i reading

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Judging from the music alone it seemed i had royally fucked up, instead there's a goblin with a name.
Is it free exp or am i gonna get my ass handed to me? My drake merchant sucks at fighting, a lot.

>>166846759
Non-spoiler:

The game encourages you to peek into any places that seem interesting to you. The only branches where this isn't the case is with Pandemonium and The Abyss, since there isn't a stable branch entrance/exit.

In general, you can survive the first floor (or the first few enemies of the first floor) of any branch you see. You should take it as a lesson, though, because deeper floors will be *much* harder versions of those first floors.

Spoiler:

Do what >>166848164 said, except do Vaults:5 instead of Abyss:3.