/rlg/ Roguelike General

>>167017438

Old, Deceased Rogue: >>166712182

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>>167017438
>notaroguelike in the OP

If real life was turn and grid based, it would be a roguelike:
You get fucked by RNG, pray to gods who hate you and fuck you over, have no fun but can't quit, then one day you try it drunk/underslept/in bad mood and die.

>>167018279
Yep, that's why it got renamed to zealot blade recently.
Because you can't have muslim words, jews would object. Everyone must replace muslim words with jewish ones.

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Do you feel it?

>>167019090
>zealot being an actual word used about jews in the modern day
lmao go whine about starcraft being antisemitic

>>167018084
Character creation is complete RNG, you have to grind for literally years, and it's full of unavoidable deaths.

Who even plays this trash?

>>167019318
>Who even plays this trash?
Mostly poor niggers.

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I feel it.

>>167019194
Fasists everywhere these days.

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I told you it wouldn't work against Gtits.

>figure I can kill smaug for my third book
>get hex 3 as his drop
Oh right. Probably the least fun thing about skillmasters is that your drops don't change based on your skill choices.

>>167022024
Ouch

STOP posting poschengband

I DO NOT WANT to play poschengband

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>>167024362
>STOP DOING THING
>I DON'T WANT TO DO THING TOO

Did they take your free will anon
that's a horrible thing

I've been watching a dude play crawl and right off the bat he throws on fighting and maces. I was always told that you should only do one at a time.

I've been just putting on my weapon until min/delay, should I stop doing this? (I don't typically live until min delay)

Also, as a GrGl I don't know if I should be leveling str or dex. And I don't know how heavy of armor I should be wearing early game.

>Human Fighter
>D:3
>Going down corridor
>Suddenly Jessica, orc priest
>try running out of the priest's LOS
>Jessica blinks ahead and cuts me off
>priest just smites my ass until I die in four turns because armor is fucking worthless against smite damage
>no health pots whatsoever found in that time

TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT

Why is it so goddamn hard for me to get a Human Fighter just into Lair, forget actually getting a rune

You level Armor and Shield and his damage output is garbage, but you level Axes and his shield and armor end up fucking up most of his attacks

and then you've left Fighting unattended, so you end up going from 70 to 15 hp in a round once you meet your first hydra or bee swarm or similarly strong opponent

This is fucking stupid as hell

>>167027401
one at a time is more efficient but doing both and not micromanaging them is easier/lazier

>>167027401
He did fighting+maces since gargoyles have shit-tier HP, probably.

You would do the opposite on a troll, which has so much HP, that you can just leave UC until 15 at the start.

My personal method is to get my weapon swinging at 1.0(for war axes, they start swinging at 1.0 auts at 10 skill) which is when I train fighting in tandem with weapon skill until min delay.

Just do Str on a GrGl.

>>167027626
Senpai why you would you ever level armour or shields earlygame, they barely make a difference at that point compared to the damage increases from weapon skill or HP from fighting.

Do Fighting/Axes 33% / 66%
and hydras are honestly nothing at all, switch to a mace and EXPAND DONG, or just run around a pillar until it lags behind.

>>167027401
By the time you got one level in weapon skill at high level you could instead get several levels in fighting/armor/dodging making your character decent fighter instead of glass cannon.
This is why you should pay attention to skill cost.

>>167027878
alright max str for better EV and throw on plate when i can find it?

>>167028202
Yeah go for heaviest armour, heaviest 2-hander and go for Makhleb. He only needs 4 invocations for lesser demon to be at 1% hostile rate and 15/16 Invo for greater demon to be at 1% hostile rate.

But the real reason you Makhleb is for the healing on kills, which is retardedly strong and makes it so your low HP doesn't get whittled down too easily in big fights.

>>167018084
i can definitely see this as a meme you'd find in a binding of isaac fan group on facebook or something. this is not a good thing

>>167027834
The laziest way is just going GrBe fighting/weapon/armour/dodging 25% each, never ever touching it again.

>>167027626
>leveling shields

Anon, what are you doing...

The regular shield that you get as a Fighter should be discarded for 99 out of 100 characters. It adds like 3-4 auts to all of your attacks (effectively killing you), and it takes a long fucking time to get Shields to 15.

Now, if it were a *buckler*, then that'd be different, since you just need to get Shields to 4. But a regular shield doesn't deserve your earlygame XP being dumped into it.

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>You hear the crackle of arcane power
>Mennas comes into your view
how long does it take for portals to expire again
I don't think I can get away from him

>>167029024
Shields are good, and the penalty only really matters for spellcasters.

No one should train shields earlygame, but the shield is what makes fighter a great background as opposed to a good background, which is even more emphasised for Trolls/Nagas/Formicids who can use large shields at 15 skill.

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>>167028442
well...god damnit. Never had this happen before I was d8. Is it gg for me?

>>167029736
Probably.

>>167029785
lame I got marked in a narrow hallway and got cut off from both directions, got banished. It was from the disruption weapon right?

>>167029736
I've survived that at a similar level as a Gr of Chei,this is even easier for a Gr of Oka,, teleport at the first time of danger and haste if you can.

The biggest sources of spike damage(raijus) are mitigated by Gargoyle's rElec so you should really be good.

The bigger problem is why you're using a whip of flaming. Flaming is a multiplicative, not an additive brand like Electrocution, so that whip is doing about the same damage as a normal shitty whip. Should have used a normal flail or something.

>>167029736
>XL 10
Nigga you ded.

Start wandering and pray for imps and ufebutus to poach until you get a way out, because it's only a matter of time until some shit like a starcursed mass shows up to crap all over your day.

guys i picked the snail god by accident how do i do good with snail?

>>167029889
Distortion brand will do that, yeah. Was it Sonja or Psyche?

>>167030240
Punch things until you find statue form/blade hands

win

>>167029024
...I thought it was 5.6 for a buckler.

>>167030480
Depends on the size of your race, quoted from beem:
>You need 4/15/25 skill to eliminate evasion, melee speed, and casting penalties for bucklers/shields/large shields for normal races, 5.6/21/- for kobolds and halflings, 7.2/-/- for spriggans, 2.4/9/15 for nagas, centaurs, and formicids, -/9/15 for trolls and ogres.

>>167027401
>I was always told that you should only do one at a time.
You should, but it's not a bad idea to get a little more HP to avoid getting memed hard by Orc Priests, especially for a Gr

>should I stop doing this?
No, it's one of the first things you should aim for

>if I should be leveling str or dex
Str = Int > Dex (choose either Str or Int depending on your skill choices)

>>167029736
F

>>167031116
the wiki told me dex is just a better strength tho

>>167031471
the wiki is outdated, try not to rely on it too much

>Strength reduces penalties from wearing body armour; see aevp. Has a small impact on melee and launcher damage, roughly +25% of initial damage per 10 points of str above 10.

>Dex Increases accuracy by dex/2, chance of stabbing distracted mons and stealth as well. Plays a significant role in EV if you have dodging skill. Boosts ability to shield-block, especially for bucklers, less for large shields.
dgbe

Gargoyles are not really dodgy, if you need up to date information, check here (if you don't mind the awkward page):
https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/

>>167019318
Yeah but the grinding is *REALLY* fun

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Just updated to PCB 5.0.5, can someone tell me how to get rid of all the grey x's that now take up unknown space, where before it was just black? It's fugly as fuck.
Also I think this is the earliest I ever found an artifact, Clvl 3 at 100ft, just a damn shame it was put on a broken sword, but it's still actually better that the standard katana. Such a waste of an awesome name for a weapon too...

>>167031906
thx

also anyone got advice on how to in general skill a char. ive never really understood it. i usually just pick a murder skill, train it and then occasionally a defensive skill if im killing hard enough

but then i run into something i cant kill hard enough and die

>>167031471
??famous last words

>>167027626

You're stupid!

>>167032895
>i run into something i cant kill hard enough and die
you are not supposed to kill everything, sometimes running for your life to the closest stairs is the best option, especially if you find Grinder, Edmund or fucking Purgy

Similarly, consumables are useless if you are dead, use them we all have gone through this

>but then i run into something i cant kill hard enough and die
Any specifics?

are you playing online?

Is it worth trying to branch into summoning late game as a tablord hillorc?

>>167033637
wrong thread, sorry
will delet

>>167033628
it's always worth to go with some magic into late game, pick your poison

summons will distract enemies, so it's a good choice

>>167034206
thanks
I was thinking either that or conjurations because of the books I found, but having a bigger wall for warlords to stab shit from behind might be more helpful

>>167033353
i usually fight things via sitting in corridors and run like a bitch at the slightest hint i need to

usually i die to things like my own ghost (which always seem to be far stronger than my own character even if we are literally the same. like they just dodge everything), trying to fight 1 goblin or something and then a ton just spawn out of nowhere. not really to uniques

usually i find i either die early on or i dont and i end up with such a ridic amount of movement options, los blockers, etc that im unlikely to ever die but forget to use them and die anyways

>>167035016
oh also forgot to mention im very fond of mage/melee chars. characters who use buffs, basically. but i always just end up feeling both bad at melee and magic

>>167035016
>>167035108
For almost all cases, specialization is the way to go until there's not much to gain from more training.

>>167035108
Yeah that's what happens when you hybridize. I recommend trying transmuters.

>>167037141
An shame. I wanted to do scald and do good at swords with magic on them

>>167037290
Transmuters are my most played start that I've yet to win on. No one really seems to know how to raise them. I've had the most luck basically just playing a monk (ie ignoring transmuting until unarmed is maxed) but then I got bored because I was playing a monk who just didn't start as a monk

>>167037452
>I wanted to do scald and do good at swords with magic on them

You could maybe train Short Swords instead, since they're faster and require less training to be mostly OK.

Eh I'll try that why not

Beats rolling another easy boring class like Mino berserker and dying of sheer boredom

>>167037452
Spider form and blade hands are overpowered as shit, jump on that train as early as possible
Or at least, they were

>>167037773
Waste of EXP desu. Stabbing becomes very difficult later on, and short blades are very bad at things that aren't stabbing.

>>167038396
I always end up just using spidder form to run. For some reason its absurdly easily killed by poison and by the time I'm not running into poison much I have ice form which just seems to perform better

Blade Hands I've never actually managed to get up and running. If I raise transmut to use it my damage sucks and I die. If I raise unarmed I never end up being able to raise transmut much before getting bored because I'm basically playing a monk

In both cases my defensive skills suck

>>167032414
I don't remember the exact option name but hit = to open options and go into, I think, visual? Not "interact with visuals" (that's tweak tiles). One of the ones in there, it has to do with traps.

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>>167040515

Stop being bad. D:4 and D:5 is well within the range of where skill allocation doesn't matter the most

>>167041675
28% failure is not acceptable for a spell as shitty as earlygame blade hands. It is a good way to waste your mp though.

>>167043303

Good news! Whenever you run out of MP you can just... hold your breath... walk away! Pretty neat right, I bet you haven't thought of that cheat before huh?

>>167041675
>13 mana
>28% fail
You have a ~7% chance (which, since it's DCSS, will happen 100% of the time when you can't afford it to) to run out of mana every time you try to cast it from full mana, not to mention it costs all your food.

Sounds pretty terrible.

>>167043765
except for those times when you can't

>>167043912

Uhh, how exactly would you do this anyway? D4 to D6 is mostly cannon fodder and that is more than enough to get another failure rate decrease and some points in UC and you'll just keep on exponentially getting stronger because bladehands is dumb.

>>167043765
>walking away already by D5
>miscasts put you practically in the red for food

I bet you have starved to death more than zero times in DCSS, and that's proof enough you're a shitter. Spider form easily can get even a retard like you to lair, meanwhile ice form can clean up lair just as easily. Blade hands without chei is a meme, and an octopode using blade hands that early if ever is a double meme.

>>167044060

>food ever mattering
>on D:5

now THIS is what you call a meme

>>167044312
Most non-retards don't cast level 5 spells with 25% failure rates ;)

>>167044060
>walk away when OOM
>come back with full mana
turncount and food literally dont matter, so there's no downside to doing this in the rather rare possibility that you miscast bladehands enough to go oom

>>167044761
that's because they're using non-buff spells anon
25% fail on fireball is awful
25% fail on spiderform is fine and dandy, unless maybe you're a naga

>>167045015
25% on spiderform is a lot different from 25% on bladehands at clvl 7, 4 casts compared to 2. 1% effective fail rate vs 12%.

>>167044936
>rare possibility
>12.5%

oh boy here we go

>>167046290

walking away is a lot different than not walking away

>>167046535
Walking away won't solve all your problems

and least that's what the people who love you would tell me if they existed!

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so wait, do I wear it? Also what should I try and get for a weapon, going into mace and flails

>>167052535
Probably not. You're a Gargoyle, so your AC (if you don't fault) will eventually be high as fuck. You already have terrible EV with just chain mail and a shield, so gold dragon scales would put that at like 1-2 EV. The rPois would be nice for Lair (I'm assuming you haven't gone to Orc/Lair yet), but not really necessary.

I like M&F because they're quite versatile and usually pretty numerous. For 1H setups, you'll want an eveningstar, although you'll be more likely to find a morningstar (which is also halfway decent). The best standard 2H mace would be the great mace, which is extremely common in The Vaults. Demon whips and sacred scourges (most likely to find in the Depths) can be used to quickly take out enemies with crappy AC; with good brands (holy wrath against evil monsters; electrocution for everything else), they actually work as great standard weapons.

>>167053419

Being numerous is M/Fs only redeeming feature. In the end you'll just be a smart player and invest in either Long Blades or Axes because they're objectively better even with their reduced apts on a gargoyle.

>>167053419
thanks, also is it okay to finish dungeon before lair? Or is lair easier than the rest of dungeon i found lair late d11.

also, what should I start training? My EV is still low as fuck (5EV)

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>>167055779
forgot pic

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I 1-hit antaeus, Ereshkigal, and Lom Lobon, while a mighted Dragon, I couldn't believe it

>>167055779
Late Dungeon can sometimes be crazy, so you should do Lair beforehand. Especially as a Gargoyle, you should have no real problems in Lair besides the heavy hitters (elephants, death yaks) since you're immune to poison.

>>167055884
Armor would probably give you the most bang for your buck, since it would ease a little bit of the EV, too.

Dodging would be next, although you don't have to go crazy with it: just make sure its cost level is roughly the same as Armour's after you're done leveling it. You're likely not going to get your Dodging (and, thus, your EV) to a high number, but being able to outright avoid attacks is always nice.

Invocations also deserves some attention, since that's more offensive firepower for you.

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guys I'm nervous as fuck about my ascension
I dont want to fuck up after I came this far
care to share some of your protips for me before I visit my stash for one last time and snatch the orb?

>>167057297
have you already punched the oofs between you and orb to death

because that's the most dangerous part, not the escape afterwards

>>167057386
already fucked up everything between me and the orb before I left for my stash
I'm nervous because I heard big monsters pop out of thin air and block your way as soon as you pick up the orb and this keeps happening until you leave the dungeon

>>167057465
well yeah that does happen
use some hastes and teles if a spooky panlord shows up

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Whoa, since when does the black market sometimes only stock items you can equip?

>>167057465
Pan Lords and the somewhat rarer holy versions of them (Seraphim). Tier-1 demons and torment-users are fairly rare, although that shouldn't give you an excuse to dawdle around.

If you have a Holy Wrath branded weapon, it might not be a terrible idea to have it on you. You, of course, shouldn't *try* to fight Pan Lords -- or anything you see on the Orb run, for that matter. But if you find yourself about to get fucked, it's nice to have an offensive option.

For the truly paranoid, you might also want to use your wands of digging to create the quickest path to ascension on every floor from Zot to D:1 before grabbing the orb.

>>167058087
nah fuck it
the worst case scenario is that I die the heroes death and become the legend of the "arch wizard that almost had it all"
here we go boys

>>167058759
And of course, don't be afraid to teleport yourself (scroll/wand/etc.) if you run into trouble. It'll be delayed, sure, but if you've already cleared and mapped out the floors beforehand, it'll be worth the effort.

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>>167054986

See how good Gargoyles are at Long Blades? This is truly the greatest optimal choice right here until you get bored because it's too strong.

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>kill the son of a bitch
That's not really ladylike.

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and its over, the legendary artifact orb of zot along with four runes are mine
first time that I actually got this far and its really satisfying
honestly this ascension was the most thrilling part of the dungeon and I went below 20 HP three times
oh by the way
>>166559328
>By the way you're playing, I'm surprised you got this far
TAKE THAT ANON AHAHA I GOT THE ORB and thanks again for the advice

>>167059457
grat

>4 runes
which 4?
did you do vaults + abyss?

>>167057696
I've seen this happen before as well, and it seems to affect random quest drops as well. Playing a centipede and a random quest reward was literally 4 exceptional pairs of boots, and I must have read 4-5 scrolls of acquirement and they were all either boots or rings. No idea what causes it though. I think when it happened to me it was just the regular armor shop though, not the black market.

>>167059523
yes I did vaults and abyss with swamps and spider nest
abyss fucked me up with mutations so I decided to go for the orb before my luck runs out

>>167059540
random quest rewards and acquirement are guaranteed to always give you usable shit

it's quite nice on a ring mimic when you just get a pile of 5 high-level rings with maybe an artifact in there

>>167059691
can dopplegangers mimic a ring mimic?

Can dopplegangers mimic a statue of chest mimic mimic?

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>>167060419

Can mimics disguise themselves as a statue of a statue of chest mimic mimic?

>>167060419
as far as I know dopplegangers only get to mimic humanoid races.

Posessors can get into bodies with nonstandard slots but i don't think mimics leave corpses so still no ringmimic form.

do people still talk about mumo here
or has the curse finally been purged?

>>167060760
the only person here who cares about mumo is busy repeatedly killing himself in alwaysinterestingrooms nightmare pcb

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The Amy came up with new ideas during a (supposedly drunken :D) brainstorming session, and will implement these new artifacts in slex shortly.

>>167061056
>putting me on the same level of dicks and implo
You flatter me good sir.

>>167062457
you're just the only one who posts in the thread
i still voted against you in that poll

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Should I just win this? This tedium is killing me on the inside

>>167061912
>female attempts at humor
>mixed with german tastes

>>167062662
Sure.

>>167062662
>getting bored
yes
and then play a game other than crawl

>>167061912
you should go outside more often

>>167062784
Why do you think I wasn't posting anything yesterday?

>>167061912
10/10

>still no 1.5 tome

dorkgood

>>167062830
He doesn't mean
>you should see people and be more social, then come back a more normal person
but
>you should go outside and stay there

>>167062958
Nah, it's too cold outside and I haven't found any yeti corpses to eat in real life.

>>167062942
>tome4 version numbers don't start with a 4
what did they mean by this

Is Ratling Merchant a hard combo to play?

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need more money for dem programs

>>167064535
merchant in general is supposed to be a hard class

>>167064535
ADOM? Merchants are pretty horrible in general, so the answer is yes. I vaguely remember them having a lot of starting gold though, so if you're lucky enough, you might find something helpful in the outlaw shop.

>>167064535
What sort of combo you lookin for mate.

>>167061912
>initialized to always be shitty gloves
Amy = Okawaru

>>167062958

kek

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>>167064684
>>167064841
Ratling merchant it is then.
Looks like this time i got wands, the other 3 drakeling merchants i splatted sold potions and rings.
Once i run out of charges, am i fucked or is there a reasonable way to recharge them?
>>167064914
A masochistic one, basically i want to autistically prove to myself that i'm not a shitter by winning ADOM (a hard game without spoilers) with a hard combo (merchant + race with no intrinsic value like a Ratling).
Also i'm a hoarder and a jew, so roleplaying value.

>>167040515
Spiders are weak to poison, yes. They have a vulnerability.
Get a couple points of dodging before lair and get blade hands up either by the end of or after lair.

>>167065432
You can grind anything to passable in ADOM so eh. Just a matter of how much patience you got to use your preference of deffo-not-spoilers.

That said, mist elf is probably harder than ratling for those janky unspecialized melee starts.

So I got blade hands working on a troll.

I'm not entirely sure what I was thinking. This is just a troll with **** UC scores.

>>167068752
Get statueform or dragonform.

May as well shoot for statue. All my attempts at dragon just didn't feel very good at all.

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>>167069439
I love statueform too.
But troll dragons have obscene amounts of HP and damage, some people like that.

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Maybe i should get comfortable first with something more bearable.
Is Drakeling Healer good enough?

>>167070603
Elona has better graphics and also better playability.

>>167070709
>better graphics
hell no
>better playability
Maybe, but ADOM defined the genre, in the good and bad ways, ELONA is literally pure grind.

>>167070603
Healer is one of the strongest classes. Amazing skill spread.

The only downside is that you start with a scalpel as a weapon.

>>167062567
Oh my~

>>167065432
>basically i want to autistically prove to myself that i'm not a shitter by winning ADOM (a hard game without spoilers) with a hard combo (merchant + race with no intrinsic value like a Ratling).
Oh hey nice to see another masochist around here

>>167070603
TrMo^Cup/Book is still the best starting-to-finish combo in ADoM. You get literacy and int on a troll, plus a lot of dex. They compliment each other wonderfully.
If you just want to learn to play the game without spoilers, I' d suggest playing that before (anything) merchant. ADoM' s got 99 ways to fuck you up if you're unspoiled (for example the screamo queen)

>>167071841
It's not like we hate ourselves or anything!
>>167072046
Screamo queen? Don't tell me anything, but i hope it's not the usual "the queen is actually evil!" trope.

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>>167072198
>>167070603
And by the way, the game fucking hates me.
I still have my ratling merchant alive at level 2, but i liked this drakeling healer, and now i'm gonna get raped and lose it because my autistic heart wants to save that fucking dog. I didn't even get a reward with my previous drakeling merchant, fucking lil'bitch.

>>167070603
dang thats an impressively ugly game

>>167072875
>newfag

>>167072875
Someone post tome.

MuMo is objectively the most fun a person can have with a video game.

>>167073717
pretty sure thats alternating tab and 0 and running into corridors and up and down stairs friendo

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>>167073021
Not him, but those abominable tiles haven't gotten any better with time.

>>167073717

You just haven't played enough videogames

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how do i handle those goblin summoners guys? their AI is the most annoying shit ive ever seen.

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>manage to save puppy in ADOM
>alignment finally bumps to NC, so I can finally get Healing
>bit by rat
>get plague and die

>>167073717
I agree.

>>167074547
next time dont get bit

also on a more serious note, how do you make playing the healer god in DCSS work? I always just spend half the time running away to get MP

>>167075104
I dont

>>167076153
You dont, you get piety by destroying weapons, then convert. Or if you really, really want to be a healer, you only heal shit that's dangerous. D:1 adder? Heal. D:1 hobgoblin? Kill it. D:1 hobgoblin with a dagger of venom? Heal.

>>167076331
No weapon destroying anymore.
Only exploration piety.
One of the most worthless gods.

what class/race should I play if I want a lich king tier of death knight with heavy armor and a big blade focused on necromancy?

>>167077134
Install an old version and play Deathknight. I liked Merfolk with this but Minotaur may be closer to what you want

>>167077108
>playing gimped versions of crawl
I don't understand, have you suffered severe head trauma recently?

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Amberites, not even once.

At least I lived long enough to test that the craft brand spells do work on archery, so it is likely a viable skillmaster build if you don't get paralyzed in front of a death scythe.

>>167037452
>Transmuters are my most played start that I've yet to win on. No one really seems to know how to raise them. I've had the most luck basically just playing a monk (ie ignoring transmuting until unarmed is maxed) but then I got bored because I was playing a monk who just didn't start as a monk
That is how you play Transmuter: an unarmed melee guy. The only difference between it and a dedicated UC user is that they have super strong buff spells.

DrTm^Chei is probably the easiest transmuter build.

>>167081865
TrTm^Che is the easiest one, because you have it easy both in early and in late game.
Other good species include Mf, Op. Gr are awesome if you get them off the ground.

I got a sniper rifle in Elona+ but the hit bonus is -1, how do I get it up?

>>167084470
grind gold and pay the blacksmith to enchant it
also, acid/fireproof it if it isn't already, so you won't lose those enchantments to acid slimes or similar asshole enemies

I haven't started a new run to post a screenshot for the page 10 bump so this empty text bump should do for now

>>167080812
>paralyzed in front of a death scythe.
Wow, that's horrible.

>>167085037
thanks
>put on some claws from a job
>doomed
>go to the puppy cave
><asura> on the first floor

>>167086912
Get your stuff identified before you try it on! A bloodsucking curse before you're XL6 will fuck you up. Also, if you didn't grind, that boss asura will also fuck you up.

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>>167059457
>TAKE THAT ANON AHAHA I GOT THE ORB
Anon, I'm gonna let you in on a secret
That's what happens when you check your xp level with @ when you get to level 27
I always believed in you.

Okawaru tips from the source code:

Heroism and Finesse are both capped to 100 turns max, and their minimum duration is 10 turns each. The formula for duration is given by a die with (Invocation skill times 6) many sides. The average of two rolls of the die (plus 10, since it's the minimum) determines the duration, where anything about 100 is set to 100.

So, how much Invocation to train depends on how long you want Heroism and Finesse to be on average. 13 to 14 skill would make them average to 50 turns with moderate rolls; 27 skill would average to 90 turns with moderate rolls. But there's always a chance to get a low roll, so that's something to consider, too.

>>167074201
hide on the other side of a door from them and wait for them to be stupid enough to walk through it

>>167088615
Anything about 100 or anything above 100?

>>167088615
Good to know thanks.

Running a troll transmuter of Oki currently and had no idea how to actually raise the stat since I don't generally use gods that care about it.

>>167089325
Ah, I typo'd: "anything about 100" should be "anything above 100". 99 would be 99 turns and so on for anything lower.

>>167070807
elona graphics are definitely better. that cartoony style in games always pisses me off

>>167093282
Elona's graphics are terrible, but ADoM's aren't worse.

How do I get good at DCSS? been playing for two weeks and I think I'm ready for spoilers

>>167093409
Elona's graphics are charming in their simplicity. Adom's graphics are that post-2010 ultra-detailed ultra-deformed graphic design ethos. Same as ToME. Same as any kickstarter'd indie game. Same as tablet games. Because that's what cheap artists know how to do today.

>>167094734
Elona's graphics are charming for a weeb, maybe.
Adom's tiles are cartoony trash.

>>167094689
develop ability to evoke feet

>>167094835
What's it like to have no taste? Does it affect your everyday life?

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>>167095273
I wouldn't know, anon. Does it?

>>167094689
Play a Minotaur and choose one of the Warrior backgrounds or a Berserker. Berserker will get you far if you've never reached The Lair.

Basic survival skills:
* "x=v" or "Ctrl+x" should be your bread and butter. x= cycles through enemies on screen, while Ctrl+x looks at anything visible to you. If you see a monster who you're unsure about, look at their descriptions. The game will tell you how much damage their melee attacks can deal and whether they're harmless, easy, dangerous, or extremely dangerous.

* If you see an enemy and determine you could probably take them on, then try to fight in an "ideal area", which is 1) an area you've already cleared out and 2) a hallway or corridor where all 8 sides of out can't be surrounded. Almost all enemies will follow you if you run away from them, so use that to lead them to these areas.

* Going upstairs is a very powerful tool. If you've cleared out a floor, then it's a great space to fight enemies without worrying about more hordes coming your way. So, lead enemies to you, bring them upstairs, kill them, and repeat if necessary. Equally, you can go upstairs to rest if you're at low health.

* You don't need to fight every enemy you see. Many enemies have the same speed as regular player characters (speed 10), so you can just run away without worrying about damage (hence, "evoke feet" >>167094948). Escape up a set of stairs, and then go down a completely different set if possible and avoid the previous enemy. For very strong enemies (certain uniques, player ghosts), you might have to go downstairs after clearing out as much of the floor as you can and just take care of them some other time, when you have better stats/weapons.

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><15 minutes
Speedrunnin' towards death.

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Never gotten zonguldruk before, is it worth using? Seems like it's not that good.

>>167096693
If you specifically want a double blade, sure. Otherwise, it's kinda shit. Might be decent for D:4, though.

>>167096693
it's a +9 double sword on D:4, nuff said, raising zombies (if they were to leave a corpse) is not amazing but helpful

seeing you got a decent elec whip, it may not be worth the switch, your call

>red mage needs to be level 15 to use the lowest level spell in the lowest level armageddon book
This doesn't seem very promising.

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why is the game taunting me

>Examine thing
>EXTREMERLY DANGEROSO!
>Oh shit I better bail on this and come back later
>Go down and clear a few more floors
>Come back with amazing armor and a demon trident
>There he is lets see how you stack up now, fucko
>EXTREEMELY DANGEROOUS
>What the shit oh god how tough is this guy
>Try to run but get cornered
>Hit, but take no damage. Resist without effort
>Huh that's strange
>Take a swing
>He disintegrates in one hit
>It keeps happening

What was meant by this. What is the point of these danger ratings if they aren't compared to your current level? And without any kind of stats to compare how do I know whether something is actually dangerous? I was scared shitless of the huge sea monsters at the bottom of the shoals, but I murdered it easily. Two minutes later another "EXTREME DANGER" monster obliterated my anus because I was expecting another easy murder.

Is this the worst game ever y/N

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You don't say.

>>167099897
y but not because of your inability to assess actual danger

>>167098825
red-mage is the one that's "sorcerer but only for the first two books", right
i think you're supposed to play like a warrior who just has a shitload of utility spells
doesn't sound much better than monk of nature really

As a GrFi should I toss the shield and heavy armor and go light armor and two hand for more EV seeing as Garg's already have great AC? Or should I just get as much AC as humanly possible . Just finished lair been going into armor and fighting, wondering if it would be more powerful to switch it up

>>167100675
Oh also to add, been training STR exclusively

>>167100675
I'm pretty sure you want to go super heavy, because you get more GDR from the heavier armours than other species.

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>>167100907
>gdr mattering
why do you think this

>>167099897
Extremely dangerous simply means there's a *chance* they'll rape your face.

Crawl can be pretty stupid since dice rolls can be really low, making some "dangerous" situations absolutely nothing to worry about. This becomes an even bigger deal if you can attack multiple times per turn, so that there aren't even many chances for them to attack you in the first place.

This can even apply to popcorn enemies, where you can mow down some of them but get fucking wrecked by a random one due to it getting lucky rolls (lucky for them, unlucky for you).

>>167101161
Well what's your answer to the question then?

>>167100675
as always, you care about total AC+EV
don't sacrifice 15EV to get 10AC or vice versa

also in general a balance of AC and EV is better than going all-out in one, because there are some things that AC is better for and some things that EV is better for. plus it's just more xp-efficient

>>167101674
Okay thanks, does that mean I should start training dodging and fighting ? Or armor and fighting

>>167101161
reduces RNG bullshit, one of the best things you can have in a such a random game like crawl since you're not left to the mercy of the dice gods.

>>167101831
yes and yes and yes

skills get exponentially more expensive the higher level they are, to the point where taking a skill from 26 to 27 can be more expensive than going from 0 to 15 or so. you should train multiple defensive skills instead of dumping all your xp in one and leaving the others neglected

>>167101856
rng bullshit comes from 120damageLCS not from melee attacks
gdr literally only affects melee attacks

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>Train maces for 12 levels
>You've found a +7 spear of the Salmon!
Yeah fuck you too

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Huh-huh...

>>167103209
base type is more important than enchantment anon
that artifact is p. shitty

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Oh, it wasn't two ancient red dragons! It was an ancient red dragon AND a dracolisk!

>>167103821
this is why you have the monster list visible in a subwindow anon-kun

>>167103501
>+7 Salmon
>shitty
???

>>167103909
I have a problem with that on linux, if I play it on wine I can't open more than a single window.

>>167103914
wait what fucking game is that
is "of the salmon" an ego in some weird game i don't realize
or are you just shitposting about crawl randarts

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H-hi!

Is PCB-R better than PCB?

>>167080812
Anon, how did you get that font? That looks really nice.

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Is this worth using?

>>167107201
No, and great maces in general aren't worth using. Go 1H + shield if you're going maces.

>>167107292
>great maces in general aren't worth using
What's the reasoning behind this?

>>167062567
what poll

>>167107485
Maces are meant to be quick-pop guerilla weapons, and higher damage is less important. With the increased parry and wounds you inflict with swords, and axes ability to hit everything around you, they both benefit greatly from higher damage numbers, enough to offset the lost defense of a shield.
Maces are about damage per hit per time, not only making faster weapons better but making the damage/def tradeoff of two handing much less optimal.

>>167107985
>Maces are meant to be quick-pop guerilla weapons
What does that even mean in practical terms

>>167108284
Battleaxe - Go berserk, leap into the fray and kill 8 enemies at a time
Swords - Drag your foes into a tunnel and fence them one at a time
Maces - Dance across the battlefield dodging and dealing high damage single opportunity strikes

>>167108284
i dont know what that anon is smoking but you probably shouldnt listen to any advice he gives you

>>167108556
>Maces - Dance across the battlefield dodging and dealing high damage single opportunity strikes
Setting aside the other shit, unless maces got some new mechanic going for them in the past couple versions I have no clue what bit of M&F encourages this.

>>167108787
He's memeing about brogue, I think.

>>167108787
he's making shit up

apparently long swords can parry things and maces have some hidden mechanic that makes them only care about swing speed and not damage

>>167103914
>find +7 Salmon on the ground
>It smells... fishy. Its tail undulates rhythmically. It is farm-raised.

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>>167109049
>Its tail undulates rhythmically
unf

>>167109205
>wanting to fug a salmon

you remind me of the utter degenerates of /vp/

>>167107201
it's quite better than your current one for sure, holy is not that great for 3-rune games (it's the best for extended tho)

also, you want SInv somewhere, so that alone will help you, you just have to make up for that nasty rF- somehow

also drop those potions of degeneration, they re completely worthless, they only exist to fuck with people blindly quaffing unidentified potions

>>167060645
See
>>167060628

>>167110231
that's a statue not a corpse

>>167106420
Pretty much all the subvariants are better unless you like playing roguelikes as a proxy for punching yourself in the face.

>>167061912
Whatever roguelike this is, this picture has convinced me to never play it.
Good job.

>>167080812
>Level 39 (at least)
>Arena depth 3650ft
>Doesn't have Free Action
Are you fucking serious? Unless you're using cheat death or something, that's unbelievably retarded, and you deserve to die.

>>167060645
I suspect temporary polymorphs aren't taken into account for determining which items you can use. Or, at least I tried using wolf form at one point to avoid getting useless dagger of slaying {/T} from angband quests on a vampire and I don't think it worked.

Presumably possessors function differently since they have like no slots in their base form. Not sure about mimics.

>>167110669
AFC para pierces free action to a degree.

>>167104013
>Most obnoxious poster in thread
>Runs Linux
Every damn time

>>167106420
It depends. PCB-R is almost like the 'cheat' version, where some guy tweaked some stuff to make it easier, so it's almost like downloading a hacked version of a game.

Look at it this way - would you rather play a Pokemon game, or a Pokemon game where your pokemon level up faster and there have been general tweaks to make things run easier? It's arguably better, but it's not legitimate, so really it depends on whether you care about that nagging feeling you'll have that you're playing on easy mode.

>>167110371
Yeah I just wanted an answer to my question....

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Why do I do this to myself

>>167110843
AFC?

>>167111675
Ancient foul curse, blood curse, whatever you like calling the Amberite retribution.

>>167107485
There's alot of common good 1H maces(Morningstar,Eveningstar,Demon whip) that you can leverage far better with a shield than a shittier non-cleaving battleaxe.

I have no idea about what the other anon is talking about though.

Have no idea what that other anon is talking about though.

>>167111607
turn down your screen bright, jesus.

>>167111607
You're fine. The komodo dragon is the only truly dangerous thing there, and having a freezing weapon will make things easier. Plus, you have tele scrolls if need be.

>>167112048
My what?

>>167112270
Yeah it was a cakewalk I was shocked

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Which mace do I use? I have no idea how to tell which weapons are good and which aren't. Is there some sort of updated version of the wiki I could use?

>>167112970
There's no way to determine stats or damage, so it's impossible to know what weapon is better than another.
I'd use the +10 myself desu

>>167112970
In general, you want higher base damage and lower attack speed. Accuracy isn't that important.

The Nuru mace is probably the best you have right now -- the speed brand is quite good for early game. The War mace is very bad, due to the *Contam (you'll be very magically contaminated when you eventually want to switch weapons); I'd get rid of it, tbqh.

A draining brand weapon is always nice to have.

The good thing about weapon switching is that it takes half a turn, so you're free to do it when you feel like it.

>>167112970
I've heard it said that +3 enchantment is roughly equivalent to 1 more base damage.

>>167100675
Anyone telling you otherwise is a scrub ass shitter
HEAVIEST FUCKING ARMOR PERIOD
You see that CPA over there? You wear that shit. Find a d1 plate? You wear that shit.

All these EV fags don't know shit about crawl or gargoyle

>Find a Volcano on second level of Lair
>In a room with a door
>A wizard jumps out!
>You are cast into the Abyss!
>OhgodwhereamI
>I need to gtfo but there might be some sweet loot... Lets poke around
>No loot anywhere to be found
>A piece of leather armor and a whip and a tree potion
>Extremely dangerous shit everywhere can't even rest barely staying alive
>Still can't find exit

SEND HELP YOU COCKSUCKERS DONT JUST SIT THERE WATCHING ME

>>167118365
Run and tele (bearing in mind tele takes fucking forever to work in abyss). Don't go deeper into the abyss, youll get fucked harder.

Other than that, you're in god's hands now. Good luck to you

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>>167118365
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>167118976
FLY YOU FOOL

>>167118365
I'll say this:

>going into Volcano
>ever

If you're playing 0.19 or, certainly, 0.20, Volcano portals are hugely dangerous by the time you find them.

Tele scrolls, heal yourself, etc. You might be fucked anyways.

>>167118976
RIP Mable the Bludgeoner

>>167119432
This is one of those things that pisses me off. I like Roguelikes in theory, but I feel like anything that you have to die to at least once or twice to learn about is bad design in a game with permanent death.
Dark Souls is a game designed around learning through failure/death, but if it deleted your character every time you died it would be one of the worst titles of all time.

>>167119432
Volcanos are never a problem whenever I find one and I'm always rolling on trunk. Only time they give me trouble is if I can't take down toenail golems quickly, fire snakes before they snipe me, or get an unlucky death knight spawn.

>>167119590
Play a fucking good roguelike then retard

>>167121281
I think better advice is to just stop playing roguelikes

>>167121281

This doesn't exist anon.

finish dungeon or do orc after lair? What do people usually do?

>>167123406
If you can finish Lair, then Orc should be easypeasy.

>>167123406
Since food doesn't matter, travel time doesn't matter. Just do whichever is easiest, and as soon as it gets the least bit difficult go do the other one. Repeat until you win the game.

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Apparently the definition of compassion includes blasting beggars with death magic.

Life lessons here.

>>167126703
did you know there's a special case for zapping a leper with a wand of heal monster
it gives x10 the normal amount of compassion or something

>>167126830

sounds like bloat to me

>>167126979
yes and it's wonderful

>>167084470

Sniper rifles are always like that in exchange for having the highest potential damage among all regular guns.

PCB:
I understand elemental brands on weapons, and that Viper's Fang is same again for poison, but can someone explain how Sharpness and Mana Brand work?

>>167028202
>>167031116
>str>dex
>str affecting EV
>on wiki they're saying that dex is a better choice because it affects everything
?

PCB:
Also, is there a cap on the usefulness of AC, a point where gaining more has literally no benefit at all? Does getting AC over 300 make any difference? I'm guessing it might cap out at 255...

>>167033353
But I want to be honorabrubru and never run away from battle

>>167131635
>Visions of slaying the Oklob plant fill your mind! You cannot move away from the Oklob plant!

>>167046290
It was about the effect of a miscast ,not about the failure rate you super retard
stupid

>>167130379
mana brand costs a percentage of your max sp for each blow
if you don't have enough sp (or if you don't have sp at all), it does nothing
otherwise it applies an unresistable damage multiplier that actually STACKS with other brands. specifically, it multiplies the existing brand multiplier by 1.5 and then adds another 1.5x the dice's base damage

so if you combine mana brand with *slay* drac, your damage dice will be doing 9x normal damage to dragons instead of 5x
with slay evil you will do 4.5x damage instead of 2x


sharpness has a 1/6 chance on each attack to trigger "your weapon CUTS DEEP into the foo!", applying a (again, unresistable and stacking with other brands) multiplier to the damage dice.
this starts off at x2, has a 1/4 chance to increase to x3, a further 1/4 chance to x4, etc etc, with no limit
end result is about x1.22 damage on average

*sharpness* has a 1/2 chance to increase the multiplier and triggers on 1/3 of attacks. it averages x1.66 damage

>>167132247
So with *sharpness* a third of your hits will do at least double damage? That's awesome, I need to find me one of those...
Thanks for the info on mana brand, I guessed it might be something like that but couldn't confirm.

>>167132718
the magical ultimate weapon would be some big-dice thing with *sharp*, manabrand, vamp, and *slay* evil
if you're feeling fancy you can throw *slay* drac and *slay* undead on the wishlist too

>>167130379
Sharpness is extra damage that stacks with other brands. It's theoretically unlimited but averages to 1.2x or something (number probably incorrect).

Mana is also extra multiplier that stacks with everything else, and costs some sp whenever you hit with it. If your class doesn't have sp, it does nothing.

>>167130956
You can definitely have ac higher than 255 (there's a monster with 10000), though whether it's like speed and eventually has no benefit to more, I don't know.

>>167132926
Also, how much does the metal babble's +80 speed translate to after energy scaling?

Why are there Panlords that are so absolutely impossible to kill in melee unless maybe by using transmutation bullshit and eats your mana at the same time?

>>167073812
post better tiles pls

>>167077357
0.16 is the version I started playing with so it's the best version
Fgt me!

>>167132926
>There's a monster with 10000AC
You sure about that? Sure you don't mean HP?

>>167133837
metal babble
it has about 2d3 hitpoints, but 2000 AC and is immune to all magic

>>167094835
>cartoony
>trash
Wow ,now that's just extremely spicy.

>>167133576
>Faggot me!
l-lewd.

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>>167109330
>not being an utter degenerate

>>167119590
>Dark Souls is a game designed around learning through failure/death
No,it's a generic action game.It's not hard or punishing in any way.

>>167134124
Shit,I meant fuck me!

>>167134654
the deaths aren't terrible punishing (you just go back to the last checkpoint and drop all your money on the ground), but it is hard and you can learn through dying

>>167134809
>it is hard
No
>you can learn through dying
No, you don't, there's nothing to learn because the game have simple mechanics that are obvious from the start. You just realised that you were going full retard and start taking it easy.

>>167135752
i mean it's not like learning "oh, i should roll backwards instead of forwards to dodge that combo from the boss" is much different from or more significant than learning "i should walk away from hydras instead of holding down my tab button literally all the time"

darksouls isn't impossibly difficult or anything but it's harder than the average game

>it's a DaSbabbie thinks /rlg/ is /v/ episode
I hate reruns.

>>167136025
>i mean it's not like learning "oh, i should roll backwards instead of forwards to dodge that combo from the boss" is much different from or more significant than learning "i should walk away from hydras instead of holding down my tab button literally all the time"
The fact that there're people ,who still imagine that tactics in boss fights,in game where grindan is an acceptable choice,matters, really shows how retarded vidya consumer base became.
>darksouls isn't impossibly difficult or anything but it's harder than the average game
No,it's not. It's average. It's easier than an average movie based game published in mid 2000-s.

Is the plot hook in that autistist reveals his true power level by screaming about "reeeeeeeee staying on topic-jutsu" technique?

>>167137235
--->>167136517

Killing ancient dragons in the hot sun

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I needed money 'cause I had none

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I killed my char and it feels so bad

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won
I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

Guessing my run's finally done

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

She's the best char that I ever had

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

Fisting these birds is just too fun

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I lost my char but not my fun

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

I fought the Gwaihir and Gwaihir won

>worship Vahumet GOD OF DESTRUCTION MAGIC
>spill blood of trillion innocents for my lord to get piety at **
>it gives me some meme book of hexes with no damaging spells
>oh and it offers me to learn sandblast

>>167137785
get piety to *****
vehumet is always shitty
not shitty in an underpowered way, just shitty as in "really fucking boring god, more boring than okawaru, holyshit how is that possible"

>>167134315
>the deep elf anal annihilator gestures wildly with his hips!
>a crystal spear hits the deep elf maiden (male)!
>the deep elf maiden (male) screams with pleasure!

>clear lair
>Clear orc
>Clear snek
>Stricken with overwhelming boredom

Thought I'd be stoked getting this far

>>167137979

You're boring!

Why is Crawl so popular again?

Either die to random shafts, uniques and other rng before Lair or win the game.

so how viable will be a build of human fighter/necromancer with focus on fighting in melee with heavy armor and shield and using only necromancy school spells?
is it even possible to make such hybrid?

It is my suspicion that we are being presented with a roguelike player stricken blind with ennui.
Mr roguelike player who hates roguelikes, why don't you just leave if you don't like the games we're discussing here
It seems the most logical solution
This is a roguelike thread for roguelike discussion after all
Everyone here plays roguelikes and gives feedback to other people playing roguelikes
But not you
So why don't you just go away and leave us people playing and having fun
I'm sure there's tons of other threads you would enjoy more in which you could actually stay on topic
Or you could simply drink yourself to a drunken stupor away from here
They tell me /r9k/ I the bees' knees for people who hate their lives and have no hobbies

>>167139282
tru

DCSS isn't a roguelike so we shouldn't be talking about it retart

>>167139706
>necromancer doing melee
well duh
were you planning to kill everything with corpse rot and bolt of draining?

>>167017779

>FUN&GAMES

What the fuck does that have anything to do with the FBI? Made me cringe holy shit

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>>167140941
>"""games""" that aren't roguelikes
>"""""fun"""""
haha, you got me
top meme

>>167139706

Polearms over zombies tedium with Kiku. Necromancers are bad and boring and only good for Deep Dwarves with Vampiric Draining being the no brainer must have spell.

>>167138251
That's not very degenerate.
I want a refund, this isn't worth my Sodollars.

>>167140802
Random generation, permadeath, it's a roguelike kys

>>167142878
it has tiles and a mouse interface
plus felids
and it doesn't have a real hunger clock like Rogue does, just sort of a fake one that doesn't do anything
same for ID minigame

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>surround myself with 8 hulks
>kill them easily, even without any firearm

I'm pretty sure nothing can kill me now

>>167143234
>Gae Bolg
Which meme mod is that?
Does it buff your dodge to stupid values?

>>167143006
>It has to have shitty pretentious ASCII !!!
I want this meme to finally end

>>167143648
>Which meme mod is that?
It's just regular naginata, I use my hunting knife to inscribe it with "Gae Bolg".

>Does it buff your dodge to stupid values?
Nope

>>167143846
Oh

Does anything else buff your dodge to stupid values?

>>167143897
I have 8 Dodging and Uncanny Dodge.

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>Enemies that cause confusion
>In the slime caves
Why

>>167144983
>not having sufficient MR by the time you tackle Slime

literally what are you doing

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>>167145257
nigga...

Found on /r/dcss. A look at winrates across different species in Crawl:

http://colinmorris.github.io/blog/dcss_species

(Doesn't take into account some major differences between versions, and by necessity, only focuses on online play.)

Surprised to see Ghouls having such a high (adjusted) winning rate: at every milestone after Temple, they're the most likely to win!

Nagas also seem to get more powerful in the game until Zot itself. I guess their slow movement finally takes its toll with draconian gangbangs and Orbs of Fire.

>>167145965
>Snakes moving slowly
I never understood this

>>167145840
>3 Golden eyes in your LOS at the start
>3 more enter

am I reading that right? That must've sucked.

Did they do that the very first turn you walked downstairs, before you could do anything?

>>167145965
ghoul is for whatever reason the least popular race
their high winrate comes not so much from their strength but from fewer newbie otabbers picking them and splatting to speed10 monsters
halfling benefits from the same effect i think

>>167146273
About seven of them around me the second I went downstairs.
Which is horseshit because my battleaxe melts them and they can't damage me for shit.
I just wandered into the acid like a retard until it melted me.

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So it goes.
>>167145965
If you want a spoiler, the Gh thing is probably because of me.

>>167143006

Felids is one of the only two species in Crawl that makes it fun and proper with all the bloat that it can't use implementing a pseudo removal. It should be the role model of future species to make it an objective to remove the usage of armors because they're one of the greatest (if they still aren't) no-brainers not only in Crawl. They are a plague in roguelikes.

>>167147813
So, you want:
>Few ways to improve your survivality, besides player skill
>Respawns

Roguelite general is that way

Shitposting aside, smite, Torment and LCS disagree, armor is only a no-brainer on the early and mid game

>>167144983
So the enemies that malmutate you get more time to do so

>>167148489

Roguelites are full of armors. Have you seen CDDA yet?

>>167148987
Don't even start this meme
Literally nothing good can come of it

>>167145965
>Surprised to see Ghouls having such a high (adjusted) winning rate: at every milestone after Temple, they're the most likely to win!

Ghouls are stronk as fug, and carrying around stacks of meat means you can gofast.

>>167145965
>#justiceforblackdraconians
Snigger'd

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>>167145965

>no one in this thread can streak 10 Octopodes to the Lair entrance

can't make this shit up ahahahaha

>>167152857
That tanned loli looks kidnda like a squid