/rlg/ - Roguelike General

more like what a bunch of bloat that should be removed

>>166465203

Just how low does your CHR need to be to sell it for 11 gold?

Also first

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>>166465203
>Dungeon on the Everchanging
What the fuck did you say?
It's Dungeons of Everchange, ya dip.
One job...

4th for is a shield good on a DrFE or should I not bother unless I'm doing extended?

>>166465664
I copied that shit from the last OP.

Blame that guy.

>>166465687
equip buckler

>>166465850
It's Bullseye, but I'll look for a buckler. There's probably one in Orc or Lair.

>>166465687

a waste of exp extended or not

>>166465506
Unknown potion.

Let us remember when dorkgod nade wyrmic fucking BONKERS by failing basic math.

>>166465506
Off-by-one Kenobi

>>166469309
I was not around for that, elaborate.

Stupid question alert - I'm currently playing PCB 5.0.3, can I upgrade to 5.0.5 without it affecting my savefiles?

G-guys I'm literally shaking right now. What if they remove Regeneration?

>>166473512
Most probably yes.
You can just copy your save over and check, can't you
I mean
You can
So do it

>>166473512

Also anyone know what the changes are?

>>166473526
then the fire rises brother

>>166473526
Then maybe you will start playing real roguelikes

>>166474580
this

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>drops nothing
I see.

Wraithform is basically amazing, especially against hit-to-earthquake monsters.

>>166473526
>remove regen
>remove food clock
I'd actually play it.

I noticed Dungeonmans is on sale on Steam. Anyone tried it? Good or nah?

>>166478929
>paying money for nocontent when you can get Crawl for free
but why?

i just found out you can study the same spell again in poschengband

What happens if you do?

>>166480717
it alarms the sharpshoot-

>>166476717
yeah wraithform is really nice
how are you getting wraith and stoneskin? Or are you not casting stone. I guess your hp is low and mana high, are you a regular 2-realm mage mage?

>>166480717
It increases your spell proficiency, which will reduce the mana cost and failure rate (not much, for that though).

If you're one of the mages, you'll get more spell levels that you need to learn all your spells (assuming you're not doing any realm swapping trickery), so you can spend some extras to immediately master your favorite spells.

If you're a rogue or something, I have no idea how many spell levels you have to spare.

>>166480674
Already played quite a lot.

Strange though that you argued for one specific game instead all the free games that are good (also played quite a lot of each that I know of).

>>166481248
>*bands
>*hacks
>nocontent
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

>>166481110
I'm a priest, which is mage but better if you are willing to take death as your primary realm.

>>166480717
>>166481210
this, but worth noting spells already increase in proficiency with use in the depths, so it's most useful to improve a recently acquired key spell. But yeah mages end the game with a billion unused spell slots (possibly useful if you swap secondary realms though, since [only] mages can do that)

>>166481628
eh maybe, certainly the melee and hp is better, and in the lategame priests come online in a pretty good way, but losing magey access to Eat Magic is actually a very big deal, since that ability alone basically more than triples your mana pool in the mid-lategame.

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>pump shotgun and two sticks of dynamite on D:1

Feels good.

>>166465758
>blame previous OP
Fair enough. When the next OP copies the crap that you did not correct, then we will blame you.

>decide to get tileset version of Cata DDA, last time was when played the game first time
>decide to add sounds pack for first time ever
>that music
Legit spooked.

>>166484691
infra arcana music spoops me, haven't tried cdda yet

>>166481328

>>nocontent

I'm going to guess that roguelike. Tell me if I'm correct ok? Is it Sil?

>>166481248
He's not specifically talking about free games.

He's saying, "If you wanted a nocontent game, why wouldn't you get the premier nocontent game, Crawl, for free?"

you can already sell items in dcss?!
Are you serious?

>>166485345
No, you can't sell items.

>>166476717
What game? Looks fun.

>>166482819
I really love IA and I hope you are enjoying it too

>>166487851
I hate both IA and you and I hope you choke on a dick

>>166488075
lmao found the butthurt dcss/pcb babby
sad!

>>166453428
Theoretically unlimited resources are not a meme, you dip. Limited resources are the real meme, a meme repeated by thoughtless Crawl players with no sense of perspective on the genre.

Access to resources determines how you play a game: In Crawl, they're given to you, at random, throughout the dungeon. You might find a fuckawesome weapon on D4 that trivializes the rest of the game, or you might not. You might find 5 blink scrolls, you might not. It's a roll of the dice. It trivializes any sense of equipment progression, just like that other boardgame, Brogue.

But that would never happen in PCB, because PCB is about taking risks in deeper levels for better loot, not having the assurance that if you follow the exact same route each time, you're guaranteed a win provided you're not a fuckup. A weapon on D4 (or even D40) is never going to last until D100. There is actual incentive to play ambitiously, since deeper levels are guaranteed to drop better items. Having (theoretically) unlimited escape options is irrelevant, since you're 100 times more likely to find an enemy you can't defeat than in Crawl.

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>>166487851
IA is suffering, but it's still fun.

Still, I really don't think I'd be playing it if it didn't have the satisfying sound effects. The shotgun and dynamite sounds are like little bursts of dopamine that keep me going through all the black mamba snake trap bullshit.

>>166488738
>PCB is about taking risks
Actually, PCB is about not taking any risks.

>>166489231
pcb is about 3 things:
crawl withdrawal
bloat
grind

>>166488075
I like both Incursion and stable games and I hope this Priest 3 Mage 2 Orc with maxed out Int/Wis/Cha (thank you fae) stops crashing every time I try to sleep.

>>166489231
yeah, just like how in Crawl you can find the orb in lair if you spend enough time there

>>166491624
>go up one floor
>sleep
>it doesn't crash
>try to go back down
>it crashes immediately
AAAAH

>>166484829
I'm using ChestHole soundpack, if you're interested.
Download, insert into data/sound folder, change soundpack in settings and then relaunch the game.

Finally got a MiBe win after my first three wins being non-Trog.

Man, maybe I just completely suck, but right around Vaults:5, Trog becomes completely useless.

* Burn Spellbooks: trash, plus inventory bloat.
* Berserk: strong, but ultimately garbage against Zot-level enemy patterns, where multiple fighting techniques (melee + range) and high movement/attack speed are always needed.
* Berserk bonus: even at high piety levels, the chance of getting more turns is still retardedly small.
* Trog's Hand: admittedly kind of useful, although you'll probably be MR+++ by the time you're doing Zot stuff. In any case, besides maybe Regen, it's not that helpful late game.
* Brothers in Arms: Absolute. Fucking. Garbage. Depths and Vaults:5 are literally the last places in the game where the summons are halfway useful -- after that, they're just too flimsy, even with a complete team via multiple BiA invokes.

* Gifts: useful if you haven't gotten a good antimagic weapon yet, although that's a bit unlikely.

I've said this before: MiBe, at least in current Crawl, is vastly overrated. While early and easy access to Berserk seems nice for noobs, late game gets quite difficult very quickly. Okawaru non-Slow/Exh buffs seem infinitely better even without summons, and TSO's 6* passives (rN+++, SeeInv, increased accuracy) along with his abilities (most powerful non-evil summons, increased shield, strong 2-3 square-range attack) make him probably the best melee god.

I think, overall, Trog might be nice if you want to get your feet wet: if you want to reach Lair for the first time and/or get your first runes. But once you're not outright terrible at surviving early Dungeon, you should _never_ play with Trog again.

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>not dualwielding broken axes
What are you, some fucking casual?

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>>166465203
Good OP.
I approve.

Typical game of IVAN:
>good drops
>pick them up
>kamikaze dorf comes and explodes you to death

>OK drops
>pick them up
>step on mine
>wands in your inventory explode and you die

>whatever drops
>something throws dorf nade at you
>mustard gas kills you even as you keep trying to heal it

>god gifts you allies
>something oneshots you from outside your vision

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>>166496051
>step on mine
stopped reading right there

>>166473637
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=8223

>>166487115
that's poschengband

>>166496762
So you're saying there is a 100% guaranteed way to get permalevitation that doesn't require grinding your ass out for sumo fight?

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>>166497358
>grinding
>for sumo
How are you even real

>>166496051
>not having a resist fire cloak+5/2 fire resist rings in gloomy cave
>not keeping your wands/grenades in a box
Fault

>>166497448
Not him, but I believe they removed most of the exploits.

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>>166497801
>exploits
But what if it wasn't an exploit?

>>166497991
I don't think you can even move him from his house now. At least he didn't seem to react to bananas.

Maybe I really need to make a trail, but I can't be arsed.

>>166498305
>I don't think you can even move him from his house now.
I just tried it yesterday, anon. Two bananas outside his house is enough.
Can you really not waste 2 (two) bananas to shitpost about ivan?

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That's some decent gear to start GC1 with.

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Oh shit, what do?

>>166498454
Are you using a recent version? Because it's in developments and they are fixing things like shopscumming.

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>>166498753
Sure am. And they fixed shopscumming in 5.1 anon, among other things.

>>166498879
Well, I guess I'll be scumming myself easy levitation belts in my future playthroughs.

>>166499051
You sure will.

>>166494172
>* Burn Spellbooks: trash, plus inventory bloat.

lmao git gud

>free conjure flame

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I though artifacts were unique.

Also lycantrophy is the most annoying shit ever.

>>166501118
Keep them for dualwielding (and teleport everything away) or sell them for profit?

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Today I learned that
A)monsters breathe through enemies who are immune to their breath
B) having no pips of Rpois is a very bad thing

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Well shit, this is with heavy survivor suit, good thing I have Tough trait.
Next time I'll just use EMP grenade to neutralize all the remaining hacks.

>>166501642
>A)monsters breathe through enemies who are immune to their breath
Monsters also breathe through enemies who AREN'T immune to their breath, anon.

If something is in LOS, even with a blocked line-of-fire, it can hit you with everything other than bolt spells and rockets

>>166501942
>killing defenseless monsters just to try and get you
How unfair!

>>166502005
if you summon shit, your friendly monsters will also friendly-fire each other

>get a pack of chaos hounds plus some random monsters
>the chaos hounds polymorph your other allies 15 times per turn from all their breaths

>>166501642
damnit anon that's like the only way to mess up one of the grid/checker vault designs, besides failing to notice a spectral wyrm or other passwall danger

>>166501642
Why weren't you fighting in the bend of th corridor? Maximum fault

Gonna try ADOM for the first time, wish me luck lads.
I can't decide between Drakeling Merchant and MistElf Necromancer.

>>166494172
>a pack of berserking giants and trolls is weak
that is really really strong, you just have to learn how to manage your summons. If you summon your BiA between you and an orb of fire, then of course the orb is going to blow them all away with fireball in a few turns. But if you make the summons not between you and the OoF, then they don't get hit by the fire, and they start tearing that OoF in half.

git gud BiA is one of the best summoning abilities in the game

>>166503767
>Drakeling Merchant and MistElf Necromancer

Those combos are both pretty much hardmode.

http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Classes

You should pick an "easy" class at first.

>>166505149
Well fug, i really liked the idea of either going full Smaug or full Sandro.
By the way, any means of taking a screenshot? They say the command is [, but i can't seem to get the picture or find it (prnt screen doesn't work)

>>166494172
Trog is retardedly strong, he's so strong that you can literally do dungeon -> depths without requiring exp or items from any other branches. There's no other god that can give that kind of raw power, except for maybe Chei.

>>166505729
>prnt screen doesn't work

Is your keyboard broken?

>>166507123
No, it simply shows ADOM as either windowed (with only the title tag showing) or black screen when i paste the prnt screen in paint.

>>166505729
>roguelike screenshot button
it's probably putting the text from the screen in your clipboard

ctrl-v somewhere

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That's a lot of letters.

And it kills things good.

>>166505729
>>166507310
Your screenshots are probably either in Libraries\Pictures or C:\Users\Anon\AppData\Local\ADOM.

It's usually wherever your ADOM config folder is.

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>>166507635
>Chaos AND Vamp AND Sharp AND Manabrand
>but only on a 2d5 weapon
life is suffering

>>166507635
regular falis is really good so this makes some sense. But regular falis is also rBase 4d6 slay *evil* and other things so....
still really nice statstick

>>166508141
What effects do slay and *slay* and the various brands have on the damage dice of a weapon? Is it just a flat bonus to each strike or does it multiply the dice or something esoteric?

>>166509287
It multiplies the dice.
Slay evil is x2
*slay* evil is x3
most slays and brands are x3
*slay* dragon/undead/etc is x5

the game just picks the best applicable slay/brand rather than applying all of them, except sharpness/mana which both stack multiplicatively with other shit

>>166509287
for exacties read in the help files (use ? ingame) but it's a multiplier to base dice. Thus, the very best weapons tend to be ones with large base dice, good general slays (like *evil*), extra attacks, and generally best with fewer larger dice than more smaller dice (e.g. 1d30 is better than 30d1 because wearing vilya would turn them into 4d30 and 33d1 respectively)

Chaos brands choose different brands each time (weighted towards ones the target does not resist), it's not a brand of chaos damage. Vampirism drains life from drainable (generally, this means living) opponents based primarily on the damage dealt.

Sharpness and *Sharpness* each work with an exploding die roll that can keep increasing the damage, so theoretically they could do an arbitrarily large amount of damage in any given blow. In practice regular vorpal increases damage by around 22% (and is accounted for in your charsheet), vorpal_2 is better but I'm not sure what the average damage increase is.

>>166501642
Poison maxes out at 900. So, yeah.

>>166511362
Or was it 600? Still, way too nasty to go around unresisted.

>>166501642
>no rpois

fault

>>166511542
it's 900
used to be 1400 or something

>>166511680
PCB base element breath maxes out at 900, poison at 600

vanilla base elements are 1600, poison 900
but resists are much stronger in vanilla angband. one source of equipment-resistance reduces damage to 1/3, and temporary resist on top of that (from a potion or ring activation) reduces damage to 1/9th

in PCB with an elvenkind armor and a !resistance active you are only at 65% resistance instead of vanilla angband's 89%

>>166512607
poschengband breaths were about a year ago (?) rebalanced, the base elemental + poison breaths used to be 1600 like with Vanilla. Back then, high resists scaled at the same rate as regular resists.

How do I into necromancer? I always die so quickly/easily

>>166514246
cold touch is a pretty shitty level 1 spell but once you get to level 2+ you should be able to just spam summons to deathball over thieves/wargs i think

>>166514246
poschengband? step 1 is convincing yourself you don't really have any touch attacks (well, excepting the occasional controlled situation, or the extreme early game). Use staff of summon hounds/hydras/monsters as well as your school's summoning spells to keep you out of danger as much as possible. Really, you do not want to be using your touch spells in 99% of situations, wearing statsticks is better. The capstone spell "Necromancy" is really strong, summoning and buffing a bunch of strong undead.

>>166514246
WOT GEM

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>you will never find the hand of vecna and get to cast 400d400 damage touch-of-disintegration

>>166514952
most likely poschengband

>>166514961
they believe get guaranteed vecna drops from some dudes. One from Vecna for sure, I think maybe Kaschei drops the other? Not sure who.

>>166515209
it looks like the Hand is actually a guaranteed drop from Vecna

they aren't guaranteed the Eye from anywhere but if they do manage to find it they get decreasemana from wearing it

>>166514952
S-stone soup...

>>166515619
fuck you go play a necromancer in pcb or adom or incursion

>>166515581
The eye is the old castle quest reward, I think.

I imagine you get total garbage if you have randarts only on.

>>166515619
Start as IE, go Kiku and grab your necro spells there.
OR start as a fighter and go Yred.

Do psions eventually gain all psion powers, or are some missable by level 50?

>>166515923
you definitely don't get them all at once, but I think you can use !NewLife to respec

>>166514246
>>166515619
DCSS Necro is just a starting set of items, desu, I would really just play a different magic start and branch into Necro through worshipping Kiku.

Sublimation of Blood + Regen is pretty good for constantly keeping your MP up, not to mention retardedly strong shit like death channel and infestation.

Try Conjurer of Kiku, or maybe IE/FE, Necromancer is just an eh start, and the benefits of it can be easily gotten by worshipping Kiku so you might as well pick something stronger and branch into it.

>>166515923
It's impossible to get all psion powers.

For example, there are 4 different level 50 options, of which you can only choose 1. 3 of them are ridiculously OP and 1 is Mental Fortress.

>>166516145
mental fortress is not bad...

>>166516182
Immunity to dispel and antimagic is nice especially with all of psion's buffs but it's a lot worse than:
- infinite mana forever (combine with clarity)
- very high chance to stop monsters from casting spells in the first place (including dispel/antimagic, but also summon spells, manastorms, etc)
- 67% chance to avoid every instance of damage

>>166516463
it's pretty good for the melee version of the build but yes nocast is better, never taken that last one yet

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>>166516010
>Regen

HAVE I GOT NEWS FOR YOU

>>166517342
its ok you can just use your wand of healwounds instead

>>166517519
delet

Dumb question. Can someone give a bit more detail on dragon hunting in PCB? The one time I flew down there as a Death-Sword I ended up getting one shot by an Ancient Red Dragon before I could even move. Is there a specific spot that's good or something?

>>166517970
Get telepathy or detect dragunz.

>>166517970
step one: either have enough hp/resists to NOT get oneshot, or else actually bring a source of monster detection (you should always have a rod of detect monsters anyways)

ancient dargons only do ~170ish damage when you have 0% resist

>>166518158
Ancient multi-hued and dracolisks definitely do more than that and appear in some spots.

Also you need see invisible to see great crystal drakes.

Also also watch out for the bird uniques.

>>166519491
Yeah crystal drakes are the real spooky bit.

But as long as you have any source of sinv, the telmora -detectmonsters, and a nonzero number of teleport scrolls, you should be good

if you see a nasty like crystal drake/AMHD you just teleport so you're far away from it and go < > to reset the level

>>166501642
I'm noticing an irritating trend with most PCB players
>playing monk
>playing with forced vaults at 50ft
>not actually knowing what they're doing
ugh, I think I'm starting to understand casualism.

>>166507635
>99% off
Really anon?

>>166520654
i think that's literally one autist spamming the same character combo
he used to do it with dynahack vampire convicts until he got some 15conduct win with one

>>166509834
>1d30 is better than 30d1
I beg to differ anon, even though your vilya point is valid, more smaller dice offers far more consistent damage. 1d30 deals 15 damage on average and can whiff to hit for 1, whereas 30d1 will hit for 30 every time.

>>166520654
Wait, is there an online PCB server? Or is someone spamming the ladder?

>>166521210
no it's just the ponyposter spamming screenshots in arelgee of nightmare alwaysinterestingrooms monks

>>166517970
dragon hunting is for nubs with the attention span of children, who need to powerlevel as fast as possible otherwise they're in danger of having an autistic tantrum.
I would advise you instead to play the game the way it's meant to actually be played, rather than 'following the guidebook'

Is ADoM a shit game?

>>166520835
It's from using death realm's vampiric branding on it.

oh yeah, branding spells are only supposed to work on nameless weapons but they're currently bugged to also work on randarts
(they check if the item is an ego or if it's a standart instead of checking if it's an art in general)

>>166521379
>ponyposter

How do you know it's him/her/xir?

Are you keeping tabs on all the players ITT?

Oh God, are you keeping tabs on me?

>>166522015
Oh, whoops. That explains why I couldn't get polish shield to work on anything.

As far as I can tell the only actual use for them is sticking brands on a wizardstaff for free resists.

For most "really good base type" weapons, they're rare enough that you probably want to save them for an art reforge instead of immediately using them with a brand spell.

And for weapons that aren't really good base types, slapping a shitty low-level brand on them will likely not give you anything better than the weapons you already have.

What would be a good game to step up to after beating Brogue?

>>166521201
I mean for endgame weapons on melee classes, where you will almost always want to be wearing a source of Wm on your weapon hand

>>166522360
>polish shield
you mean a screen of light cavalry?

>>166523732
Elona+

>>166523732
tetris might be an adequate challenge now
don't try minesweeper yet, you'll get destroyed

>>166521661
I'm not sure I understand?
Going purely off intuition, is it set up where branding spells automatically cause items to become heavily discounted sot hat you can't abuse the spells for infinite money?

>>166524749
Yes, branding and enchanting spells apply a 99% discount to the items they're cast on.

>>166523732

Step up to Rogue

>>166524842
Swish

>>166524867
rogue only has 5 (five) letters whereas brogue has six (6), and thus is clearly superior

see also: pseudoellimpaposchengband-r

>>166523732

The Binding of Isaac
Please Bang My Wife!
Noxico

>>166523732
Sil

>>166523732
Infra Arcana

>>166474580
Like?

>>166526738

I only play real roguelikes like Crawl and PCB.

>>166516010

>Regen

Wow that's pretty haram my friend! Have you considered removing yourself?

>>166528245
attaboy

Why does /tg/ loves DCSS so much?

>>166529374
both involve iconic character building, though clearly DCSS involves less and less of that each version

>>166529374
/tg/ is the reddit of 4chan.

>>166529708
I will maintain until the day that I die that general threads ruined 4chan

reddit came long after to perform necrophilic acts on the corpse

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wooo 4th in a streak, almost died to a simulacrum paralyzing me with a zot trap, then another zot trap whirlwinding me above deep water, but I got lucky

>>166531771
literally proving luck is all that is required to streak

>>166531771

noice

>>166532986
How would a good player keep himself from getting killed by either himself or monsters stepping on undiscovered zot traps?

>>166533562
thanks

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Melee psions are just a meme, right?

>>166535542
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=18680

>>166535975
>tonberry

So yes? Don't post an android, either, or I'll whup you upside the head.

>>166535542
No? You get like 6.5 blows with combat form, slaying and speed and healing and enchanting your gear to ridiculous levels and preventing enemies from casting spells.

For the majority of the game it's easier than caster psion, I think.

>>166536145
tonberry is a meme with all +blows stuff, but even just getting non-tonberry +blows is really nice, and you still will have access to the crazy heals and ddooring

>>166536160
also:
-psionic speed is +20, meaning you will never have speed problems all game long
-you still get clairvoyance and ddoor

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>>166536416
>>166536160
There are enough melee builds in this goddamn game already

>>166536923
I wish offensive casters didn't have that awful midgame period where they have neither the hp nor the mana to actually kill anything threatening.

>haven't played roguelikes in ~2 months
>come back to /rlg/
>a broguelike has appeared
O joy. O blessed, blessed day.

>>166536923
the saving throw is based IIRC on monster level + some flat bonus vs your level AND your casting stat AND the level of egowhip you cast

the upshot being that everything meaningful will always save against the low-level versions of the spell and it's only really worthwhile to cast Ego Whip IV and V

>laptop dies
>literally nothing works after 2 days of troubleshooting and trying every possible hardware combo including spare parts
>don't bother finding a job and getting new one
>continue to watch anime, lurk and play roguelikes on Android phone 15h a day
life is great I definitely shouldn't kill myself

>>166538527
take it to a repair shop or something anon

also play roguelikes in the public library
thats what all the homeless dudes do

>>166538618
as a homeless dude in a library I can confirm
I also play dwarf fortress a lot

>>166538678
i wouldn't think you'd be able to install shit
i thought you'd have to content yourself with nethack.alt.org and dcss webtiles

>>166523732
sil, infra arcana, dynahack, forays into norrendrin

>>166538618
repair cost would probably be close to how much this piece of shit is worth
I could very well just buy some /g/ approved memepad T420 instead
if I had any spare money that is

it's OK my eyesight is already shit I don't think staring at 4 inch screen 15h/day will make it any worse

>>166538796
Glad to see this is still around.

>>166465203
nice

>>166522183
Behind every autist there is an even greater autist shitposting about him.
It's flattering, in a way.

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confused wizard here
so far I invested all of my points into conjuration and spellcasting, now that vehmut game me sticky flame, should I start investing some points into fire magic?
what other trees are good to invest points in to be a stronk wizard and get the rune?

>>166545415
You are a wizard, you have conjure flame and mephcloud in your starting book and both are very good spells

dont just go pure conj and ignore them

yes you should train fire for conjureflame + stickyflame
get meph castable as well

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well, there's the end of the streak, the 5th guy in. Was trying to avoid the ogre mass but a little orc shouted and woke the whole cave of them up. Paralysis was imminent. What a shitter.

>>166538796
Remove norrendrin from that list.
It is kinda fun. Not a lot, but still enough not to fit there.

>get a good start in IVAN
>suddenly scaling catches up and something 1-shots me from outside my view range
How into IVAN's most difficult part - difficulty management?

is a troll armor good for a DeWz that didn't cough up any points in armor?

>>166547240
it might be a little heavy. Check your spell failure rates with and without the armour

>>166547240
How are your failrates when you wear it? If you still have a good low fail chance on the spells you need to use, then of course put it on

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>>166505729 here, started as ghost Sandro for nice NECROMANCY.
I didn't know shit about talents, so i picked Heir cause i was curious about if i could recieve a unique item or not.
At first i got a Mithril mace, which was nice, but nothing spectacular. Then i checked my inventory and theere was a plain quarterstaff, how the fuck did it get there if i didn't even take a single turn?
I equip it and this GODLY pic related thing reveals itself. Is it legal that 3 talents give you a world destroyer at the beginning of the game? Or does this game consider fucking 5d10 at level 1 balanced? I know, necromancers are weak fucks, but still this is insane melee.

Thanks mom and dad!

>>166538743
Not him, but you don't have to install anything, you can just pop it into a pendrive and run it

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truth scabies::PlayerVomitedOnAltar(liquid*)
{
ADD_MESSAGE("%s feels that you are indeed her follower.", GetName());
AdjustRelation(1);
return false;
}

>>166550132
Damn, i suck at this. I stepped on a fire trap and literally got 1-shot from full-health.
Is Autoexploration a noob-death-trap here?

>>166552745
>playing a game that was made by an entity that hates all living things and especially all humans
>complaining about unfairness

>>166553003
No doubt i have FAULTED, i just didn't know it was possible to die so early, i really suck at this.
Or is Adom objectively hard?

>>166553224
>Or is Adom objectively hard?
It's more like objectively tricky.
You need to memorize actions and tactics rather than figure out some inherent complexity.

>>166546506
baka anon
it's a meme

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>>166553317
Well, i'll try the Drakeling merchant now, doesn't seem stronger than the Mist Elf Necromancer, i started with a fuckton of useless rings and i can't fight even a bat for shit. Good thing these draconians can spit acid, and even their breath misses A LOT.

>>166553812
The meme is brogue, sil and infra arcana.
Norrendrin dindu nothin

>>166553920
none of these did anything including dynahack, they're literally best roguelikes, but since they are often recommended, it became a meme
and since memes are bad and also liking anything popular or actually good is frowned upon here, people, especially newfags started to dismiss those roguelikes merely because of a related meme

>>166553920
SlashTHEM Extended?

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>>166554298
>none of these did anything including dynahack, they're literally best roguelikes

>>166547370
>>166547383
all of them is 1% with and without that armor
I wasn't expecting the mechanic of encumbrance to be this simple and easy to check
thanks anon

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Maybe I should just stop.

>>166555645
You know what you should stop?
Being a part of numale manchild fandom obsessed with a show made for 8 year old girls.

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>>166546579

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>>166555727
Why?

I'm not even going to give that nigga a (You) with that weak bait
here you have a free (You) instead >>166536160 my man instead of that shitposter

>>166555740
>50 million rubles have been deposited in your account

>>166555898
alright, that's funny.

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>tfw never getting past the 3rd floor

I'm to intelligent for this game.

>>166556160
Play MiBe
unless you are retarded you will at least get to the 8th floor with tabbing and just luring niggers into corner

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Did you know that in nightmare mode all spellcasters can only make their spell failrates go down to 5% even at maxlevel and maxstats?

But not with psions!
I think it's high time I restart a tonberry psion.

>>166529708
Not /mlp/?

>its a you find a dragon armor in the 4th floor of the dungeon episode
this series is going to be good

>>166555727
While continuing playing excel simulators with ASCII graphics or abandon that as well?

>>166555115
found the crawl/pcb shitter

>MiFi
>Altar of unknown god, D2
>xom

I can still win right?

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I don't get anything from this shitty ice lab end, this is fucking dumb.
The portal isn't working and Activate Resonance Cascade will only summon manhacks / security bots.

>>166557474
Yes, labs have been neglected in the past years.

>>166557421
based on my recent experience with xom
he is a bretty cool guy and he will get you at least until lair if you get lucky

is it true that if we post character dumps of the characters who are still alive, we will get free advice from the experts?
I started this run as a joke but this is the furthest I got in the dungeon
http://pastebin.com/6DA4StAy

>>166558817
>DEWz
>not wanting to die
>eats purple meat

>>166558914
it started out as a joke to prove that I feel lucky but I really got lucky and all of the mutations turned out to be good

>>166536145

>"PCB is great because there are so many different options for your character, there are billions of combinations!"
>Everyone plays Tonberry and/or Monk

soniamdisappoint.jpg

>>166558968
I see you're carrying multiple types of weapons, but don't have a single point invested in fighting and any weapon skill or dodging. Your int is through the roof compared to your dex, stop pumping int.


So:
A) get points in M&F because you might as well use that mace, even with your 6 str, until you can swing it at 1.0 auts (that's a turn) consistently.
B) Get points in fighting, for the love of god your HP is ridiculously low. Get them around 100.
C) Get some motherfucking dodging.
By the way you're playing, I'm surprised you got this far.
First A, then alternate between B and C.
Lock your magic skills and don't touch them until you have done those two.

By the way you're playing, I'm surprised you got this far.

You're gonna die no matter how hard you try not to, by the way. That's how you learn.

>>166559239
Are you implying there's anything more heterosexual than monks?

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>see infra arcana has more commits
>figure compile Infra Arcana myself
>download virtualbox
>get linux mint 64bit 1.7 FUCKING GIGBYTES
>get here
>???
How do people compile this thing?

>>166553224

ADOM is objectively hard if you play it properly, that is without reading up wikis and the like first, going in blind and learning everything from first principles....

....which is, btw /rlg/, how ALL ROGUELIKES SHOULD BE PLAYED.

>>166553851

Wait is that ADOM? I wonder if tiles will make it easier...

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>>166559328
>By the way you're playing, I'm surprised you got this far.
>twice
thanks for the top notch advice I will follow them and hope to live another day in the dungeon

>>166559328
I agree with this nerd, until you find a spell you want to be able to cast at 4% failrate, train fighting, and maybe train a weapon skill to deal with trash mobs

>>166555727
Or at least learn to spell.
>Pricnes

>>166555645

Given all your other characters were Tonberry Monks, may I suggest you don't stop? It seems like you just started to actually explore the game's options. Maybe you might even start having fun?

Also are you the guy that is trying for 'the true death'?

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How can I change this font or the size of it?


>inb4 just use putty
Can't make the display larger than 81x71.

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>>166559416
you gotta install libsdl2-dev.
99% of the time roguelike creators forget about putting *all* the dependencies you need to run their roguelikes and it's especially hard for people who just installed linux, since they both don't know what they're doing and they have a fresh install and have to install a ton of new stuff.

>>166559638
>>166119972

>>166559756
Anon I've been playing PCB since 3.0. I'm not planning on having fun.

>>166559328
Are you implying that only monks should be played because everything else is too gay?

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>>166559924
No, anon. But among roguelikes, monks shine as beacons of heterosexuality.

>>166559909
Then why continue? What are you trying to do?

>>166559328

>lock your magic skills
>HP
>dodging
>as a blaster

what a shitter lol

>>166560135

To get to the other side.

>>166560213
if you think you have any better advice as a """non shitter""" player, please enlighten us faggot

>>166560425
shhh anon
shhh

>>166546216

Why the h*ck didn't you just kill that whole cave of ogres then? Your piety is full, don't tell me you didn't even have level 6 invo by lvl 15?

is dungeons of dredmor good?

>>166560984
maybe

>>166559883
If you want to change the font size, you'd have to use

tile_display_mode = hybrid

And then change things with tile_cell_pixels, setting that to 48 or 64 or whatever you want.

>>166560984
although technically interesting, is extremely goofy, full of ludicrous situations, weird plot turns, bizarre dialogue, and dated costume choices

pretty much the same as any roguelike really

>>166559883
Can the font be changed? It's quite awful.

Guess I'll just stick with PuTTY. Shame the display size can't be adjusted to show more than 81x71 characters.

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>>166560696
>h*ck

>>166561821
Well, HE got removed.

>>166560425

Immediately memorize and prioritize training the first level 9 spell you find except for Tornado because it's bloat. If it's an elemental spell, put everything in Conjurations until lvl 21 followed by the elemental skill or else just put everything in Earth. If you can't cast a level 9 spell by level 17 even with a - 1 Spellcasting 0 apt race then immediately commit suicide since you did something wrong and you're obligated to do it again.

>>166562163
Are you a mememancer?

>>166562163
HE HAS NO BRAINERS
HE HAS NO ELEGANCE
THIS ELF IS A REMOVED RACE

>>166562738
HEHe

>>166555645
rip in peace

>>166562163

Good. I hope they go for Merfloks next because it's a full slot race with minotaur melee apts without the magic downsides except for armor and niche nearly useless innate mutation that is only usable in Swamp, Shoals, Cocytus, ultra rare puddles and Fedhas. It's an excellent waste of design space for such a lazily designed race.

>>166560217
The true death?

>>166560984
It is, and it isn't....
Purely as a roguelike, it's not very good if I'm honest. Crafting and such things are good and fun as are your character building options, but it's horribly unbalanced and by far the biggest issue is enemy variation - you generally won't find yourself caring about what it is you're hitting.
That said though, the humour in it is outstanding. If you imagine what a roguelike made by Lucasarts would have looked like, it would be this. It's an absolute joy reading all the descriptions littered around.

If you want a break and want to play something really casual, then DoD is a good choice.

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>>166564045
Who knows.

Playing PCB, what the hell does a "Scroll of Spell" do?!

>>166564673
it gives you 1 more spell slot. Pretty useless unless you're a mage and can re-learn spells to lower the failure rates.

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>>166559909
>you gotta install libsdl2-dev.
yeah, nah. Instructions for instructions for instructions. Fuck.

What's the purpose of buying out a store in PCB?

>>166565240
Changing the stock. Useless if you're playing -R, where you can simply shuffle the stock altogether at a fixed price.
Or if you're a rune knight, to make loads of $$$.

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spoilers much, xom?

>>166565369

What's - R?

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Now THAT is a big guy

>>166566071
Poschengband-R
also known as pseudoellimpaposchengbandRevolution.

>>166566074
>those randomly generation relationship messages
Is there a way to remove them

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Apparently you don't get any special boni from wielding the hand and the eye together.
What a shame.
I wonder if something happens if you're a lich/necromancer.

>>166566242
Yeah, it's called psychotherapy.

>h*ck
is this just ironic shitposting making fun of people who actually type like that or do people like this really come here? I see a lot of this shit recently

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>>166566729

>>166566773
Watch your fucking language, anon.

>>166566242
Qud isn't DDA, where you can just mod shit out. You don't get to customize anything.

>>166567927
>have to pay for it
>can't even customize ithe stupid shit out
I'll keep playing the old version, then.

>>166566773
f*ck off mate, if you think there should be a reason to watch your language around here then you dont f*cking belong here

>Hermes spawns magic mushrooms
Literally Hitler.

>>166566773
S*it **

>>166566773
Typing like a dumb nigger has been a fad for a while. At least it cannot get worse now.

>>166569029
naga **

>reach the furthest I got in the who dungeon branches
>rejoice because this time I'm going further
>"not so fast kid"
>former ghost of my adventurer walks out of the shadow
>shrugs off the meph cloud
>walks through the flames
>slices my minion with a single katana slice
>teleports behind me
>"nuthing personnel adventurer"
>You died...

>>166568007
Have fun with shitty old long sword and axe skills and even more bugs.

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>>166569406
I didn't know you were playing a challenge run and couldn't e"V"oke your feet against your spriggan-centaur hybrid ghost.
Rip.
>>166569464
I will, thank you. You have fun paying for an unfinished game that has been in pre-alpha for the last five years.
But hey.
It's got tiles and music now.

>>166569406

That's why you should always cast Regeneration

>>166569406
literally just do a 360 and moonwalk away

>>166569996
>360
you mean 180 degree?
are you retarded anon? if he does a 360 degree turn he would be facing the same direction
people like you are the reason roguelikes are dying

>>166563134
HOMo

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>>166563889
>Mi,Hu,Mu,De apologists will protect this

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>>166570156

>>166570169
TeEn MuSk FeSt

>>166570156
>what is moonwalk

>>166570413
>removed background
C- for creativity though.

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>>166569406
>on last floor of iron city
>first and only time I got to extended game
>really excited to fight boss
>some faggots ghost steps out of shadows
>"heh, sorry, but your opponent will be ME!"
>challenge accepte-
>casts tornado with his +100 int bonus fedora
>you died

>>166570624
I do actually have a fork where St are back in.

hey guys remember the sludge elves
oh wait
hey guys remember the dwarves
oh wait
hey guys remember the high elves
oh wait
hey guys remember the halfl-

>>166570542
sorry I'm not familiar with nigger speak terms like you

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>>166569173
WE

>>166570690
Yeah, that's why you're so tempted to fix posts that you don't even fully understand.

>>166570689
did candlejack cut you ano-

>>166570789
did me insulting your nigger heritage really bother you?
did I hit a nerve n*gger?

>>166570694
ARE THE CRYSTAL DRAKES

>>166570689
Also ogre mages (they're now kind of back though), grey elves, just elves, giants, djinni, lava orcs and so on and on.

>>166570689
>hey guys remember the dwarves
>oh wait
As deep as they always were

>>166569173

That's great, you have enough piety to cast Trog's Hand and get that dank Regeneration boost

I have a powerful feeling that a being of unparalleled newness has arrived lately.

>>166571108
This would be true at any time, as people come and go.

>>166571009
I wasn't sure if DCSS had grey elves anymore, thought I was mistaking it with ADoM.

>>166570969
AND WE WAZ KNIHTS AN SHIT

>>166569729
>unfinished game
At least they're adding features, not removing them, like in your Diaper Crapping Scat Simulator

>>166571009
>ogre mages
Removal that was actually necessary.
>grey elves, just elves, giants
what?

>>166571191
True, but this being is different. He dislikes what he sees and wants to change the world to fit his likes.

Only time will tell what will happen.

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>>166571267

>>166571108

How powerful is this gut feeling anon-chan? Can you measure it in Tummywatts? :)

>>166571009
>djinni
How was it?

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Seriously, crawl devs? SERIOUSLY?!

>>166571697
Mediocre to stupidly OP.
>don't_forget_the_snozz.png

>>166571009
>djinni, lava orc
I don't remember giants but these two never made it past trunk, right?

>>166571697
An anon uploaded links to some trunks of .13 and .14 a while ago, both of these had djinni try it yourself

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Playable yak race when?

>>166552745
that's what you get for picking mist elf i guess

they have fuckall maxhp although they take half physical damage

>>166570969
WE'LL ALWAYS SHAVE THE DAY

>>166572035
when you code it

Oh hey are we singing

>>157932606

>>166571098
>Regeneration boost
REMOV

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>>166572108
>not shave the damage

>>166559460
At least i'll keep dying knowing that i'm playing a REAL ROGUELIKE.
My drakish merchant literally was unable to kill a gremlin, and when i tried to run away once i realized Merchants fucking sucked i triggered an arrow trap which killed me.
Any way to find traps aside from being an assassin? They seem to be my worst enemy early game.
>>166559536
Dunno, they are decent looking, but nothing compared to DCSS.
>>166572082
Yeah, my Mist Elf had not even 10 hp in the beginning, and even with this physical damage reduction he almost died after two hits in melee.

Necromancer looks like fun though, and even Merchant has a great roleplaying feel, especially the whole "carry more stuff, have discounts, specialize in selling a specific article" thing. Maybe i'll try a wizard or a healer next, or i'll just try again with Necromancer or Merchant, but the latter seems quite hard to play properly, i can't do anything except being a jew.

>>166559460
>ADOM is objectively hard if you play it """properly"""
>skyrim is objectively hard if you're a scrub who refuses to learn and forces self to roleplay

>>166560696
I was trying to play very carefully, I didn't even want to have an Ogre Mage come inside of my LOS, for fear of LCS/banishment/paralysis. But then a little orc woke them up, and things escalated, and I didn't want to use my last tele, and things were going fine against that fight, I had more than 75% HP, but HP goes away really fast when you are paralyzed

Roguelikes have ruined all the other games for me, yet a good roguelike doesn't exist.

Crawl
>close, devs are going full retard though. I also dislike the races, backgrounds and gods acting as a difficulty setting.

PCB
>grindy, the fact that experience is limitless combined with "strength for xp modifier" does not work.

Qud
>fun, until you realize it's all the same. Can't be won either so h*ck that.

ToME
>not procedually generated enough. Dying feels like a result of weak character instead of a misplay.

Dredmor
>could be fun but holy shit the slow gameplay, insane inventory bloat, awful interface and retarded control scheme absolutely ruin it.

Adom
>never tried this, heard it was a memory game for kids

CDDA
>isn't this some kind of autism simulator for /k/ids?

I've never tried Nethack. Should I?

>>166576774
>I never tried the mother of this genre

>>166576774
why not

>>166576774
yes also try brogue, sil, and adom
play every rouge like

>>166576774
Try slashem extended, it's the Furyband of nethack variants.

>>166576774
>yet a good roguelike doesn't exist.

Literally Brogue.

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>>166576931
>>166577176

>>166577176
>Brogue's ally system
close but no cigar