/rlg/ Roguelike General

1st for offensive bloat

>resume game
>die immediately
Every time.

should I make a new pastebin for the OP or is there a way to update the current one?

>>166117334
make a new pastebin with the old shit in it

I just wonder how to start think about win dcss? Should I read about all gods and classes in dcss wiki?
Maybe some walkthrough?
What is your proposition?
I don't know what character I want to play exactly...

>>166117689
You want to play MiBe. Learn to berserk a lot. Learn to recognise anything even vaguely dangerous and use what you have instead of dying. Learn to walk away.

>>166117689
's'tand still, and walking the fuck away, are two of your most important, reusable assets, make sure you use the fuck out of them.

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>>166112903
Pricness.

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Games without a single Detect Magic are the worst

>>166120107
>using Tiles
But why.

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YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SLEEPING DOWN THERE
DAMN YOU EUSTACHIO!!!!

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>>166120348
>he actually wielded a glowing spear with no ?Rcurse

>>166120590
I was merely testing my luck while pretending to be retarded

>>166120590
Wrong, I spent the entire game with my shitty dagger and leather armor (which was a good idea, since it turned out I had picked up a -3 Whip of Mercy.)

My only weapon was a 10/10 Staff of Conjuration (which should explain the starving, I'll admit). By the time I found what could potentially be Remove Curse I was scared shitless of getting mauled to death by unexpectedly picking Summon Monsters.

Crazy Yiuf.
He's do dead now.

>>166120590
>>166120901
also I'm going to eat the 6 mutated meat that I got from the skybeast
this is how lucky I feel today anon

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>>166121319
Forgot the pic

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>>166121397
living on the edge
I'm a fucking scale fag thats resistant to fire now

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Tummy slaaaaaash!

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>death book 3 in the black market for 75% off
Had to sell my ice bolt ring to afford it, I hope it was worth it.

Apparently mods are OK with offtopic pedoshit now.

>>166122179
>now

t. newfag

>>166122167
Genocide them, timmy.
Genocide them all.
>>166122179
It's kind of hard to say that "x is offtopic" as an outsider, anon. Mods keep track of multiple reports. If three or four people reported something that doesn't really look like it fits the theme, it's going to get canned.
By the way your post is not roguelikes either.

>>166121662
>clarity
fuuuuuuuuuuuck
cherish that mut, the only other ways to get it now are to worship Ashenzari or to get the very rare amulet of 4 winds

>>166122167
rings with ice/plasma bolt are shit
the wands are good because you can zap them like 6 times in a row

>>166122179
mods were just gone for a bit
/v/ was full of /pol/ and /mlp/ garbage

>>166121453
>berserking on Crazy Yuif
>letting him make 4 swings on you

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I'm sensing a trend here.

>promising run with a DGSk
>teleport trap puts me right next to Psyche
>hits me with a dagger of distortion once
>sent to the abyss
>first enemy I see in the abyss is a Hell Sentinel

RNG amirite guys? ! :^) I should have checked psyche before fighting her but still, I'm salty.

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>>166124952

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>>166094059

The two bites the komodo dragon took out of me slashed my HP in half before I could even move. I clicked on a teleport scroll and died instantly.

Cheibriados

How playable is Shadow of the Wyrm now, has it been updated a lot?

>>166129407
Depends, have you ever sucked on another man's dingus?

>>166129602
once in highschool locker after practicing baseball as a joke
I didn't let him cum in my mouth though and we said no homo afterward too

>>166129602
Yes, now please satisfy my query.

>>166129820
>>166129849
Then I'm sure you'll like Shadow of the Wyrm a whole lot.
It's the erect game for no homos.

>>166129940
meant to write "perfect", not "erect"

>>166130410
>alone
>implying my gf is not cuddling me while giving me blowjobs while I crawl with my 15 runes to get the orb of zot with my sick MoMu build
god I'm pathetic, just kill me nad end my suffering

Hey nerds, how am I doing?

http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Lahna/Lahna.txt

It's the second time I ever get past Lair. Going to finish dungeon and then head to Swamps to get a rune.

>>166128719
Is sexy af.

>>166131135
Just be careful and keep slapping otab with your dick.
MiFi is impossible to splat, especially at that point.

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>>166130410
صباح الخير، الكفار الخنازير !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

قد نور الله دليل الإجراءات الخاصة بك!

مبروك لإخواننا المسلمين عن الفضح وقوم لوط الملحدة.

>>166129407
It's short and there's not a lot to do, but it's fun trying to build characters that can 1v1 Eakauri in melee.

My biggest problem with it is that the dev has an ADoM style approach to the endgame; instead of making up new mechanics to increase difficulty like Nethack, he just plops down twenty enemies with big stats and calls it a day. Admittedly, he seems to be drawing a big picture and then filling in the details, so to speak, but in the present, without any details, it's a bit frustrating to wait.

>>166131407
>good morning infidels ???? !!!!!!!!!!!!
>may the allahs light ???
>merry (something about Mohammads family and muslims?)
fuck my Arabic got really rusty

>Your alignment is adding +10% to your fail rates in this realm.
I like how killing everyone makes me a paragon of goodness, thus making it harder to cast my death spells and kill everyone.

>>166131135
>have a +2 plate of MR+
>wearing that shitty scale mail

anon, you'll rarely need rCorr in the main game (especially with no Spider's Nest; also, rCorr doesn't even really protect you from corrosion). rPois is nice, particularly for the sBranches, but it's not absolutely necessary even for Snake/Spider. Magic resistance + good AC heavily outweighs the rCorr, rPois and Slay+2.

also, drop those books, you're a minotaur; you ain't gonna be memorizing no goddamn spells.

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why do I keep randomly berserking? this is the 5th time! I have no items with berserk and its not being invoked on me. pls help i feel like it could end my run if it goes off at a bad time.

>>166133053
do you have the zerkitis mutation?

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>>166132643
Thank you! I've played the game seriously for a week or so and really appreciate help like this.

>>166132643
>also, rCorr doesn't even really protect you from corrosion

fucking this
It does help against being instagibbed by Acid Blob Damage but I'm 90% sure it does jack shit against the actual corrosion effect.

rooooo

>>166133119
oh shit apparently I do. I have no idea how I got the muts that I have tho. never ate any mut meat. maybe I quaffed a mut pot by accident? oh well
thanks, anon. I should've known!

>>166134001
You coulda gotten bad magical contamination from hasting too much, miscasting a spell, or just some dickweed stepping on a Zot Trap

Or maybe some summoner you tabbed through summoned a Neqoxec that malmutated you before you tabtabtab'd it

>>166134339
it was the last one. I remember now. kek I should pay more attention

>>166134339
also while youre helping me out, am I safe to brand this dire flail with holy word?

>>166134871
>holy word
>brand
anon...

>>166135352
woops, obviously I meant holy wrath

>>166135464
you didn't know why you were randomly zerking, I couldn't be certain. And you probably want to save your TSO brand for either an eveningstar, great mace, or demon whip.

>>166135671
lol fair enough. thanks kindly, anon

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Man, all my runs have been a fucking disaster recently
>HaFi^Uskayaw dies with 2 runes in vaults because of me not noticing an invisible vampire knight before it's too late
>HuCj^Kiku, dies with 2 runes in vaults after trying to stupidly hybridise and melee stuff instead of just going the SoB+Regen route
>OgFi^Oka - dies with 2 runes to POISON, because my RNG was so fucking bad that I had 0 curing potions to some retarded sea snake in shoals
I just want to fucking die

>>166124327
rofl

>mfw no space exploration RL exists yet
>Prospector is not enough
Any roguelike/roguelite that explores the concept Prospector tried, but that it's completed?
Or... any cool space game for that matter?

>>166137716
Duskers but it's not turnbased.

>>166137125
The baby modo is a good melee class such as Mi or HO and axes. First you worship Gozag and jew a bunch of good randarts from him, then as soon as you finish Lair, Orc and either Spider or Snake, change to Makhleb.
Honestly if you want maximum comfy end/extended there is no one better than Makhleb.
Also learn to spam Immolation scrolls and Disc of Storms

>>166138516
I already know about easy-mode crawl, I have about 11 wins, it's just that it's such a drag playing safely that I get myself in shit situations constantly now.

>>166133934
it's a 50% chance to resist the corrosion debuff

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Playing a Centaur Chaos Knight of Xom and somehow I'm alive with 3 runes. Picked up Zonguldrok on depths is it worth using over my mighty weeb sword of clarity?

>>166140721
100% yes unless you're starved for Clar

So long blades riposte when you dodge an attack. Meaning they're more useful on high EV chars?

>>166124327

How?

Am I right in thinking that PCB dev comes here? I have a fairly humble request for an addition....

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where do I get blood in the spider nest reeeeee

>>166130410
Actually I spent the evening with a friend I haven't talked to in years. It was pleasant.

>>166131127
>MoMu
you better be drunk anon.

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>>166142129
These are my birth settings.
I used to actually add "always empty arena levels" which lead to some really horrible shit always being in LOS, until I gave up on that.
Every one of those options with a * doubles or anyway multiplies your score (except for coffebreak mode which lowers it consistently).

I'm trying to set a new record for PCB. Not only it'd be the first nightmare mode win, but it'd also be one with a slew of other added difficulty settings.
Also it's a monk.

>>166144628

I thought preserve artifacts lowered score? Always unusual rooms is kinda bugged I think, I was getting ancient dragons and the likes of fucking Mordred at 50ft vaults, so I gave up on it kinda quick.

Still don't understand how you took 400+ damage from stairs though...

>>166144628
im pretty sure the score doesnt even show up anywhere other than your own personal hall-of-fame

if you want impressive pcb victories to post on the ladder for e-peen or whatever just do hard race/class combinations

>>166145116
there was an enemy outside his light radius that cast a 400+ damage spell, anon

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>>166145116
>I thought preserve artifacts lowered score?
Same as never recall up and always close shops but fuuuuuck that.
I'm not being a masochist here.

It was a gold dragon that breathed sound at me anyway.

>>166145136
It's just a nightmare mode epeen win.
The thing I'm doing is to pen off the list all the major roguelikes with an extreme challenge: there's troll archmage ultra ending for ADoM, MuMo for DCSS, 16 conducts for *hacks and now I'm trying to die the true death with *bands.

>>166145475
gold dragons cap out at 250 damage though?

could've been a law wyrm

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>>166145975
Sound doesn't cap at 250, anon.

>>166146162
ancient gold dragons only have enough hp for 250 though

except i forgot that nightmare mode doubles monster hp

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About to do a Dungeon -> Depths -> Pan run.
Wish me luck bois.

>You feel relatively safe now.

>>166148258
Emphasis on the relatively

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>all the americans have killed themselves over the new presidency

As always it's the europeans who have to do all the work.

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Doing a DUPZ run atm, which means I do dungeon to 15, then depths to 5, then pan then Zot, without any other branches.

I've cleared all of depths 5 and I'm considering switching away from Trog for Makhleb or TSO when I do pan.

Who would you reccomend?

>>166150875
Fucking Iron Sword. That music will be stuck in my head until the that i die...

>>166150875
im here anon
but im playing notroguelike games so i have nothing to post

>>166152038
I feel like it'd be difficult in either case, since you'd be starting from scratch (not just with piety but with Invocations) for each god.

TSO would likely be the ideal, but you wouldn't be able to use your demon whip for a while -- plus, since you're doing just DUPZ, you can't just dip into the Crypt for relatively safe piety/Invocation gains.

How's DDA looking these days? Any exciting developments in the past few months?

>>166121743
sleep tight, tummer

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this is my best character so far, i died a few minutes after this screen shot. first time i made it into lair. how did i do rlg

>>166158326
>i died a few minutes after this screen shot
um

>>166158326
>XL15 by Snake:4

That seems really early, man. I also have no doubt that your 9 EV fucked you over, too.

Also
>2 potions of curing
>3 potions of might
>2 potions of agility
>1 potion of haste
>2 blink scrolls

>yet you died

>>166158326
>i died a few minutes after this screen shot
Again?

Anyway don't dip into the Lair branches as soon as you find them. For cozy mode I like to clear out dungeon, lair and orc and then go for the rune-branches.

Remember to pick your fights and walk away when you're uncertain, and don't forget about your consumables.

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>>166131135

>Shield of the Gong
>mfw if you still have that going into lower-level rune levels like Vaults or Swamps

Say hello to the party platoon for me when you get to Swamps 5.

>>166152038
Jesus fuck son, Trog wrath is no joke.

I switched to Makhleb and the berserked giants + other enemies + tormenters finished me off in Pan, since I had 0 tele and blink scrolls.

The run was easily winnable but minotaurs are so fucking easy that I'd probably go to sleep if I did the standard route.

>>166164879
And every time I ask the same question:

But why

>>166164879
>D:2 distortion possibility

One of the few reasons nuCrawl is somewhat better -- they've seemed to tone down on how crazy early Dungeon can be, certainly in 0.20/trunk.

>>166165039
>>166165072
>they don't miss d:1 halberd gnolls or wands of disintegration on d:2

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welp

this is crazy

I made a slight modification to the DCSS and Individual Game Pastas, here are new pastebins as a result.

>FAQ and What to Play

FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34

What to Play?: http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

>Individual Game Pastas

http://pastebin.com/24tDtZN6

>Roguelike News:
New version of Dungeon on the Everchanging Released!
Basically ADoM meets Brogue, with the best of both worlds.

New IVAN update: 0.5.8, adds a new dungeon, a new win condition, new god effects, new items and bugfixes.

Poschengband update to 5.0.5:
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=8223

Jihad is over...

https://github.com/Attnam/ivan/releases

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account

User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

>>166167467
should reply to the OP when you do this so the guy who makes the next thread can find it easier
>>166116556

>>166168363
I'll just make a new thread right now

>>166168513
good idea, im sure that will turn out great

just remember anon: your mother and i are proud of you, and we love you no matter what even if you aren't the brightest

>>166168892
kek

Is it hard to be something that requires to eat and worship gozag?

>>166170476
not really

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I can see why people say ToME4 is horribly imbalanced.

After touching Psionic, I don't want to use anything else. It's just that absurd.

>>166171018
It's weirdly balanced: most classes that are great for normal are utter shit for nightmare and up.
And the classes for insane are ones that you wouldn't expect to be strong in normal, like arcane blade or marauder.

>>166171018
>>166171541
Mind helping me get my bearings in TomE4? The pastebin only gives dungeon directions but there seems to be a lot of shit to juggle that I'm not used to. Like I used to be buddy buddy with some anti-magic dudes, and then I came out of a dungeon and they attacked me on sight, and I'm pretty sure I was only using nature stuff.

Also I'm not savvy enough to know which skills and passives are good and which ones are basically (well-intentioned) traps

>playing as wizard
>get clarity from mutation
>mephitic cloud is now my get outta prison for free as long as you have mana card

>>166171676
There are 3 kinds of overmap dudes: antimagic, adventurer and patrol.
Antimagic aren't supposed to change alliances - if you're "born magical" (start game with magic race or class), you're fucked, otherwise they should stay friendly.

ToME balance is pretty bonkers when it comes to noob traps. You shouldn't invest in offensive skills with large cooldowns, unless they look fucking amazing or apply stuns.
Instantly trash all skills that apply on kill. On-crit can be good, though.

You want to get something to deal damage with (<4 cooldown, usable at all times), disabling abilities (stun, not debuff/bleed/slow) and defenses.
Defenses depend a lot on the class. Marauder gets "lmao no hp death", but archmage instead relies on having so much buffer that nothing gets through. Corruptors' bone shield is considered god tier, though on normal it is just good.

Some abilities look like utter shit, but are instant which makes them god tier instead.
But many abilities look like shit because they are shit. For example, most abilities of the wyrmic class.

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>literally just chugging down all of the sky beasts I see
whats your excuse for not trusting your luck to do the right thing?

>>166171676
>>166171018
>>166171541
I've been working on a class guide and what categories you should usually avoid. I didn't think there was enough interest here, maybe I pastebin it later today.

>>166159389
Actually it was hilarious. I have two runes now (Swamp and Snake).

Stairs into Swamp:4 were near the rune vault. I think I counted 17 Hydras. They just kept coming.

I'm having tons of fun, in Vaults:3 at the moment and while the whole level hears me, my hp hasn't dropped below 80% for ages.

Best class for stabber? I'm thinking Kobold or Vampire?

>>166175915
>class
i think you mean race

and spen is the only stabber worth playing

>>166176394
not the anon that you replied to but can you give me some tips for this combo? i've tried it multiple times and only failed

>>166176660
step one stand near bad man
step two cast Hibernation on bad man
step three bump into bad man

>>166177212
steps too confusing
ended up with xoms wrath and wandered the abyss until i starved

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>>166158326

...Does negative AC make me take extra damage?

>>166177756
If the game uses the old dnd system it should be the opposite

>>166178453
thac0?

but dnd ac doesnt affect the amount of damage you take

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wanted to try Fo; after splatting a couple of 'em decided to try qazloud, who I also never really used. Shafting makes Hell so much less of a shit.

disaster area is fun, qaz helped even more since I found absolute shit for resists

>>166177756
In DCSS? IIRC yes.

>>166178453
That's case in THAC0 ( -25 is an absurd armor class though ). It only affects chance to hit, though. DCSS is more like DR ( 1dAC with guaranteed minimum )

>>166179310
Qazlal is excellent god. Noise is a problem, but can be dealt with - makes abyss rune a massive asspain though.

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What now?

>>166180148

I lucked out with abyss, the worst actually came when using it to escape after pan runes (Fo stasis doesn't help)

I never realized how powerful disaster area is with good invo/positioning though, shit is crazy

>>166177756
No, it just makes it harder to get a positive value.

>>166180530
Clean stronk, clear orc, clear lab, farm dragons to 30, do arena, die

What spells for unarmed + shield Naga Fighter of Chei?

Am I right in thinking that PCB dev comes here? I have a fairly humble request for an addition....

>>166183776
>doubleposting

>>166183878

The first one seemed to have been ignored...

>>166184104
He doesn't come by. Our workforce mainly forks stuff.

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Why are there so many orcs here?

>>166183776
no he does not come here

you could try the forums at angband.oook.cz

>>166183338
Blade hands/statueform.

>>166183338

If you have to ask this question then you're not ready to play a Naga of Chei yet

>>166184661
Because Orc Jesus.

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These AFC deaths are a classic. Let's see if I lucked out.

How to turn off mouse on dcss webtiles?

Just found a Golden Fiddle in CDDA, what does it do? It only has one charge.

>>166185414
>>166124327
Never played PCB or Angband, what's happening in these screenshots?

(I'm also curious about >>166147910 )

>>166186336
I'm doing a thing.

No idea what happened to that run in doomrl.

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>>166131135
Ok nerds, I'm back. I've got three runes now, V:5 was piss easy.

http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Lahna/Lahna.txt

What's going to happen next. I run into Zot, grab the Orb? Do I have to make it back to D:1 after?

>>166186336
>>166186379
Angel of pacifism or something like that. Basically you can't use weapons but get a nuke at game start, you win by nuking end boss.

Is there a particular protocol for using rlgrobin? Because I just got a DrMo of Qaz through a Labyrinth in the Lair on him.

>>166188931
Assuming you're going for the easy run, yes. Get to the bottom of Zot, get the Orb, exit through D:1 the way you came in.

Hope you've got elemental resistances, that looked like the one area you were lacking in on your previous char dump. Orbs of fire are no joke.

I have a total of 6 int. Wearing -5 int gloves because they have rF++ and +5 slaying is a REALLY dumb idea, right?

>>166185791
Pretty sure it's just an insrument. Play it to make sweet music and raise your morale. While attracting zombies.

The "charge" is just how instruments are implemented.

>>166189417
I've got one of each. I do have a ring of fire but I'd lose my rC+.

>>166189667
6 Int isn't THAT bad. It's when you're below 5 that you're doing something obviously wrong.

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7th webtime win

Finally got a win with a pure caster (I barely pressed tab at all).

Time to go for extended again I suppose.

>>166188931
>>166189417
>>166189751
The key things about Orbs of Fire:
1) Highest fire damage in the game, bar none.
2) As an example of how much damage they can do, if you have a summoned ally without fire resistance, it will die from just 2 Fireball hits, guaranteed.
3) As such, rF++ is absolutely needed. The good thing is that the only elemental damage they give is fire, so assuming you're in a one-on-one with an Orb of Fire, you can forego the rest of your elemental resistances.
4) Malmutate is another thing to watch for. Be sure to press "A" and take note of what new mutations you get. You don't need to cure your mutations as soon as you get them (and, by the way, be sure to carry some potions of cure mutation), but when you've got 4-6 bad ones, consider curing them if possible. Take note, though: Teleportitis is the worst mutation and NEEDS to be cured ASAP, since it's almost a guaranteed death for a newb in Zot, let alone Zot:5.
5) The basic guideline for a melee character vs Orbs of Fire is: do a ton of damage as quickly as possible and try to stop their magic if you can. Vorpal, Speed, and Freezing brands are best for doing extra damage, but Antimagic weapons (rare as they are) are arguably better, since an Orb of Fire with no MP is a pushover.

>You have conquered Stronghold

Does this actually change anything in particular, or is it just a nudge to say I should go somewhere else now? Is there any particular motivation to conquer other dungeons?

>>166190750
You get a stat bonus when you clear a dungeon. Some dungeon master also have fixed drops, like the rod of recall in the Labyrinth

>He hasn't ascended as a convict yet
What's your excuse?

>>166190750
youre doing it for her anon!
your princess gets a little bit more wet every time you conquer a dungeon for her and by the time you are ruling the world she will be ovulating

>>166189745
thanks

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>tfw want to do extended
>tfw no rC or rN

>>166189870
No, like, I'd have 1 int if I put them on.

>>166191558
OHHHHH

Yes, anon, that's very dumb. Like, "1 point of Intelligence" levels of dumb. Slaying is basically just extra enchantment, and while it's nice, it's not needed. And you'll undoubtedly find more sources of rF in the game.

>>166189245

...He just... just found the boots of the Assassin.

Goddamnit.

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Almost pooped my pants there. First win!

http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Lahna/morgue-Lahna-20170121-145951.txt

>>166116556
What crawl can I play on a phone?

>>166195640
DCSS
nethack
Pixel Dungeon

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Since when can you get two portals at once?

>>166195674
Thanks.

>>166195804
since always

go lab

Which roguelikes let me be a lich?

>>166196431
PCB and probably others

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>Felix Aplin, Bandit puts away the Glock 19
>Felix Aplin, Bandit wields a riot helmet
>kill him
>find 100 9x19 mm JHP bullets in his body

>>166191716
>Slaying is basically just extra enchantment
Not quite. Slaying is +to-hit equal to the slaying bonus, and an additional 1d[total Slaying bonus] damage roll after every attack made. It's why slaying instantly makes stones start doing damage and turns aux attacks fom jokes to hilariously effective.

>>166190964
>your princess gets a little bit more wet every time you conquer a dungeon for her and by the time you are ruling the world she will be ovulating

That's my Pricness.

>>166190951
Not everyone is a tryhard, anon.

>>166198817
The fun thing is that NPCs don't spawn with magazines as of now (because reasons!) so if you're playing a game with mags, they just don't understand how to reload bullets but still shoot some because their weapons are always loaded when they spawn.

>finally learn how to compile crawl
>realize that except Circus Animals there's no real reason to find old forks and compile them

>>166200431

0.9.2. mountain dwarves never forget

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>these gloves

Mmm.

>>166199478
>Not quite. Slaying is +to-hit equal to the slaying bonus, and an additional 1d[total Slaying bonus] damage roll
Which is what enchantment is.
a 1d[enchantment] roll and accuracy bonus. Slaying can just get past the +9 enchantment that most levels are restricted at, due to not technically counting as enchantment.

>>166200603

>obsolete [redundant feature] never forget

>>166200749
Alright then. I still think that saying "it's basically extra enchantment," is misleading, since it also applies separately to auxiliary attacks, throwing, and unarmed; 1d[base damage]+1d[enchantment]+1d[slaying]+[auxilarily attacks]+[number of auxilary attacks]d[slaying] is very different from 1d[base damage]+1d{enchantment+slaying]+[auxilary attacks]

How good are Monstrous Demonspawn with Augmentation? Is it superior to Dragonform?

>>166195674
fkin pixel dungeon man, you know how long it took me to figure out that enchanting armor was a bad idea? Still haven't beaten it.

>>166202558
No, dragonform is literally the best melee damage in the entire game.

27 UC Aug demonspawn with claws is pretty damaging but nowhere near dragonform.

>>166201176

Races and classes are redundant. New characters should have to manually adjust modifiers for skills. Anything else is bloat and must be removed.

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>>166201274

it is 1d(slaying+ench) though

but aux attacks do also benefit from slaying

>>166190750
there are three benefits to clearing dungeons in pcb:

- you get a guaranteed stat-up
- most dungeon bosses have some specific guaranteed drop (Meng Huo drops a a random amulet. Thorondor drops a potion of new life. Cthulhu always drops the artifact MHDSM 'Razorback'. )
and of course
- big J, the serpent of chaos, the final boss, has a "summon dungeon guardians" spell, so if you don't kill nasties like cthulu/zeus/vecna you're liable to get them summoned on your head.

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Well I certainly can't say no to that!

>>166205149
>>166205760
easy come easy go

>>166205887
True, but unlike most PCB characters, getting this one to level 30 took me half an hour, plus I don't need any kind of weapons or armor.
I just do Thieves>Warg and get about 14 levels just from that. Then I go kill young dragons near volcano,reach level 20 killing less than five and then level 25 by killing mature ones.
I just gotta stop being so greedy, Ancient durrgins are some shit.

best god for SpEn?

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I don't know how many of these death (or daemon)/craft priests I've killed by now.

I have high hopes that it will be really strong endgame, but actually living that long is the issue.

Updated PCB R. Since Skillmasters are a thing now, I commented out Freelancers. At least that's off my shoulders. Still gotta fix maledicts, unfortunately.

Nothing else, really, just catching up.

>>166206760
dith or ash

>>166205760
>go to mountains to farm ancient dragons
>die to ancient dragon
greed is bad anon

i could at least accept it if you got ganked by a crystal drake or something

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>>166208115
I just gotta stay away from the big mean greens.

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Why do I always get amazing RNG when I play minotaurs

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Gozag says: "Greed is good!"

>>166208982
like if you aren't prepared to notdie to ancient dragons why are you even in that area

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>>166207491
>maledictors
Do they at least have MP for their spells yet?

>>166171676
I find archmage to be really good. You get 3 solid 10 mana 3 cooldown beam spells within your first few levels and huge variety of spells to pick and choose from. You should have little to no trouble clearing all the dungeons before dreadfall as an archmage, besides Maze B since that boss can fuck you up if it sees you first.

Should I write a forum post about how the Council God offends me as Chinese for being a stereotype?

>>166210810
write all the forum posts you want anon

is there any reason to not fly indefinitely now that im a level 14 gargoyle? is there any risk to it?

>>166212394
the Airstrike spell does triple damage vs flying, so don't do it around Titans or Gastronok

>>166209642
they've always had mp, I have one alive still. You just used your casting stat as a dump stat dummy.

>>166212394
I forgot how to do the sequell query, but there have been 0 gargoyle deaths that have died to shatter/LRD while flying so you'll typically want it on 100% on the time ,especially in depths.

>>166212498
Alright then. I hadn't realized that having a low casting stat could prevent you from having spells at all.

>>166212808
it usually only matters for hybrids like rogues or whatever but yeah it happens

>>166212939
it matters for classes with books and spell slots because if you have 0 spell slots you don't get a mana bar

idk why it affects maledict though

>>166213034
he just doesn't have enough stat to get any mp
rogues and other hybrids, book or otherwise, can have that happen too, because they don't get as high a class boost to casting stat as a pure caster, and one isn't as pressured into a +casting stat race either.

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>Just got out of fight with bunch of soldier ants, have very low health
>Saw a group of storm giants, they were friendly to me so I started going near them to #chat with them(never done it before I was wondering what would they say)
>Apparently they weren't friendly to my pets, one of them uses a wand on my pet, also killing me because I was near it
I'm not happy right now

>>166212495
>>166212797
thanks

>>166213128
>low health
>doing anything but focusing on going back to 100% health
what were you expecting?

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3rd scroll of acquirement i've found! what should I get anons? weapon or jewelry or armor?

>>166213456
remember to descend to Dragons Lair 71 before reading it anon~

>>166213456
if there is something good you found in the shops and you want it go gold
the chances of a good armor is risky if your main armor is bretty good so scratch that
your jewels are meh and same goes to your weapon so that might be the best choice at the moment
or just keep it until you find a good shop with guaranteed good shit and cash it there
or just keep the scroll and

>>166213765
>or just keep the scroll and
Did Candlejack cut you o

>>166213765
and? anon are you okay? pls someone get this guy some help

>>166213893
>>166213901
sorry guys, my pet hikki was getting rambunctious

had to inject him with more estrogen to calm him down

>>166213456
Armor.

Normally I'd say weapon, but Trog should be gifting you some good shit pretty soon.

>>166213456
Clear lair and orc first then ask for what you need the most, dont ask for weapon no matter what because trog

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>Step on a zot trap for the first time
the only thing I have is magic resistance please help me
also what are the chances of this happening

>>166215854
>>166215616
sorry guys, I got cast into the abyss by a chaos orb or something. then ran around and couldnt find an exit, eventually got fucked.

It feels like martial arts skillmaster is a mistake, since you get all the monk penalties (no slays, armor weight issues) with none of the benefits (extra attacks, free speed).

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>>166216115
Believe in the heart of the cards, and you will surely escape.

>>166216115
If you're near or doing lair branches you can survive the abyss with ample consumable usage(or just kill enough monsters for an exit to appear if you're diesel as fuck like a minotaur or gargoyle of Chei or something)

>>166217418
I was in V2 as a hofi of beogh. The thing that's really worrying me is not having any resistances, and losing the few high level orcs I still have. You're probably right about being able to kill everything, though. How bad is being on floor 3?

>>166218301
Then you're basically fine, the ones with spike damage potential are the raijus but as a HOFi you're strong enough to fight everything on abyss:3 easily.

Also, I've won HOFi^Beogh with only 2 warlords with me, you don't need a ton to actually make a different when you fight.

>>166209202

see
>>166185414
>>166124327

It's the safest place in the map for me right now

Small yet interesting Crawl commits:
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82c27a3958dc19e73319fbfd06fba5a096c91b0b
>Make all food take 1 turn to eat.

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c65edc55d884fe44d5e05d488073c6401899f20
>Remove pizza and beef jerky

RIP pizza topping messages~

>>166222274
Mmmm.. Pepperoni

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>>166222274

>>166222274
why would they remove pizza and its great messages
god damnit the last good hack elements are being excised and you're left with an ever blander pile
bad enough that the uniques are named like jeff and bob practically

>>166222274
>RIP pizza topping messages
It's official: Crawldevs literally hate fun.

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>>166222274
Praised be the day I stopped playing this kusoge.

imo remove all food EXCEPT pizza

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Send help

>>166226368
You're a MiBe, just summon bros and smash this puny human.

Take the thieves' quest and buy some things. If you are a strong melee character like a Warrior or Hydra and the temple (4) has some healing potions or potions of heroism, buy those and head to the yellow > to the east of town.

Where is the yellow >?

>>166226368
>fighting Cyberdemon with blue armor
>swapped to nano super shotty mid-battle
>not running with said shotgun

I'm mildly curious as to what led to this situation, but no doubt it sucks losing a weapon like that. Mortem, please?

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>>166226807
East of the town, clearly.

>>166224119
>tfw stopped playing removal soup years ago after playing nothing but mummy casters and getting multiple 15rune wins

im not sure i understand how ashenzari works- and the crawlwiki is out of date for him.
I have cursed enough to become 'moderately bound' but still have no piety. why is this? how can I best take advantage of ash? im a SpEn btw

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>>166227237
The only red armor the game gave me was before the baron bros, and I swapped to my shotgun for screenshot purposes.

>Mortem
Implications.
I had large meds and phases stockpiled, was still close but I made it

>>166228374
curse your shit, look through walls, passwall stab

>>166228713
Nice.

If I need to tank the cyberdemon, I'll make a point of holding onto that red armor and preferably an envirosuit just for that specific purpose, but I'm glad you made it through regardless.

Good luck for making it through Hell.

>>166229408
Just found Phaseshift armor, thinking about turning my plasteel boots into cerebus but are there red boots?

Also
>Unholy Cathedral
>You pull the trigger... Nothing happens!
The fuck is this shit? Why did I ditch the chainsaw

>>166230464
No red boots, but plasteel is pretty nice as is, since running already halves terrain damage. Should turn lava down to 2-3 damage/step unmodded. Cerberus boots are still amazing when the situation calls for them, but they're still situational. I definitely try to build some if I can spare the mods.

>Unholy Cathedral
Yeah. Killed me first time I entered it. Should probably run, since it's the most build-specific of the special levels.

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>>166226807
east of town

the yellow >s are quest entrances so they only appear after you actually accept the relevant quest in town

is vanilla bagel any good?

>>166234734
It has never been mentioned here apart from the short and depressing shilling campaign. Apparently, it's even worse than other paid (((roguelikes))).

>/rlg/ers are actually out getting laid on a saturday night

what the fuck

>>166238375
It's just euro hours vs 'murkan hours. Sum of two curves.
We're still autists, just sleeping ones.

>>166230464

>Unholy Cathedral

First few times I got wrecked in there, but you know what it's actually not too bad at all. Don't want to give too much away, but if you've put points into Hellrunner you should be good.

>>166240207
>Unholy Cathedral
>Hellrunner
Really? I mean, I've heard of people doing that kind of thing, but isn't that a bit advanced for your first time through the level?
At the very least, I'd expect someone to say 'berserker', or maybe even ballistic red armor. You are talking about manipulating the turn timing so you don't get hit, right? Certainly not that whole knife throwing tomfoolery?

What does "Stop, you brute!" mean?
Is there any way to have separate windows for stuff in PosChengBand?

>>166244764
It means you should stop attacking for a couple of turns so they have the opportunity to yield. Remember to "strive," for Lawful Good; if you don't you automatically make attacks of opportunity and Xavias/Kysul/other Lawful Good gods will count them against you. Also, the "y," menu allows you to offer them opportunity to yield, and if they don't accept you can kill them.

>>166244764
If you don't turn off "enable virtues" in your birth options you will often get messages like that about the shit you do and how honorable, individualistic, knowledgable, lucky, etc etc etc it is

>>166147910
how do you do this

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Playing a naga is comfy, I feel insulated as fuck.

>>166247451
see >>166189174

>>166247451
Just to be clear, it's a joke, not actually a speedrun.

What's happening is that there's a challenge mode, Angel of Pacifism, in which you may not attack, but start with a nuke so that you can defeat the final boss and win the game. Using it before then will only nuke the current level, and you with it if you don't leave before it goes off.

What's going on is that the player begins the challenge, and then immediately uses the nuke, killing himself on level one. The joke of 'you feel relatively safe now', is the message typically used to indicate that you have killed every monster on the current level. Which the nuke indeed does, a split second before killing you as well.

>>166244764
>>166246213
>somehow miss that second line entirely
Sorry anon I'll just go to bed

>>166177275
kek

What time system do you guys like in a roguelike? Basic turns, speed, or something else?

>>166255028
I like the IVAN's one, though it needs a better vision radius to work well.
It seems to allow multiple actions per creature turn, even when all creatures have equal speed.

>>166255028
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=An_elegant_time-management_system_for_roguelikes

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just started playing again yesterday
furthest i've ever been

i actually got through the fight that ended up killing me but the game crashed

>>166261862
you should probably hold off on nu-orc until after lair
especially orc:2

>>166159478

>minotaurs are so fucking easy
>run out of consumables on a fucking MiBe

ahahahaha

>>166216908

Hmm maybe I should petition the removal of Nemelex because a god that encourages and designed around annoying inventory clutter is badly designed and shouldn't stay in Crawl.

>>166265135
instead of removing him they could just move the decks to imaginary space accessible through the ability menu or something
but that would be hard so theyll probably just remove him

>>166265214

That's not even hard because it's impossible. You need a lot of small decks so the god abilities make sense. The god abilities need to be scrapped and start from scratch if they plan to bring him back. The only solution for now to fix Nemelex is to remove him.

>>166266592
>The only solution for now to fix Nemelex is to remove him.
i think you mean >the only easy solution
redesigning the god abilities to keep similar theme/gameplay without the inventory hell is *possible*, it would just take work

For deep dwarf shield + axe or two handed axe? Asking for .13

>>166267234
shield+axe was never good anon
unless you find Arga

how should i go about beating a hydra as a MiBe without a fire-based weapon, no small bladed weapons and no teleportation scrolls?

>>166267856
Dump.

>>166268607
what did he mean by this?

>>166268665
Press # in game and link the file here.

>>166267856
if you aren't a naga, the solution to a hydra you can't kill is WALK AWAY

yeah you could blow some consumables or spend piety on BiA
but you could also defeat it FOR FREE by evoking the feet you've had since D:1

if you're autismally obsessed with killing them just grab a decent mace since they crosstrain with axes

I haven't played DCSS since last summer, I checked the changelog and I got really confused. Did they really go full retard with the removes?
Is it still playable or it finally became shit?

This is a legit question no shitposting please.

>>166268959
>Did they really go full retard with the removes?
Yes. Even before last summer.
>Is it still playable or it finally became shit?
Yes.

>>166268959
>Is it still playable or it finally became shit?
It finally became shit. This general is on life support because of this.

>>166268704
puu sh/tvwJb/4e83ac5cb7 txt

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>killed by LCS spam

Should have had more hp I guess!

>>166269929
i only just started playing
it's fun
:^)

>>166270258
Your axe sucks.Get a better one.
To kill hydrae just grab a good mace. For the one that's already in your face just summon a couple of friends.
Manage your skills.

>>166270378
Try 0.14

A maxed out tonberry monk with the pendant of nightmares, the one ring and Vilya does around 2000 FIST damage per full attack.
A swordmaster with the eternal blade and the same setup does 1200 per attack, 2500 if the monster doesn't resist AcElFiCo (everything in the lategame)

I think it's pretty clear that tomboys are the superior race.

>>166271415
Does the eternal blade's damage display take the time brand into account though?

Also post a archer with a longbow of lothlorien with (+4) extrashots and extra mult and seeker arrows of slay evil

and then check out a dragon with nightmares+4xpowerrings+destruction

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>>166271640
Apparently not, considering I did about 4000 damage to Caine.

Serpent only takes around 1400/1800 damage on hit though.

>>166271906
caine doesn't resist fire or elec anon

the time brand is x2 IIRC, so it's on par with slay evil, weaker than AcFiElCo

serpent also has way higher AC than caine

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>>166271640
Dragon, even with 5 one rings is really shitty.

>>166271415
What damage do maulers get with Vice and Atlas?

>>166272393
max stats android mauler does 700 regular, 1400 elec/poison.
900 average with atlas.

Pretty meh.

>>166272624
Huh, I thought it did more damage. Maybe the mauler blow change fucked their damage with the heaviest toys.

Fun fact: Maxstats yeek with one ring/vilya/nightmares does 2000 damage on average too.

>>166272802
I'd check with the other versions, but what's the point? It is what it is now.

>>166270475
thanks, summoning a brother worked

where do you suggest i find a better axe? and what do you mean by "better"?

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Man, Monks are stupid strong.
They make even yeeks look like gods.
I just did 3300 damage to oberon with a single hit. Gotta try without the white tiger posture that gives me around 500 damage/round more than usual.

>>166263250
what about the vaults? before or after the lair?

>>166272323
post youre ~w anon

>>166273139
vaults isnt even accessible until you have a rune anon...
but only do V1-4, save V5 for after depths

>>166273236
yeah i don't know what a rune is desu

What real options are there for Android rogue likes?

>>166273287
gurr's Nethack ports are great, I tried Angband but I found its ports really shitty and pretty much unplayable. DCSS has an online version which I haven't tried so I don't know how it works, but its offline ASCII version works well and its tiles versions before .16 work well too. .16 and after just crashes after character creation for me

>>166273287
Rune knight was great, until they nerfed it. Now inscribing your items makes them worth less, which means you actively gimp yourself in the process.

>>166273274
pointless key items that show up at the bottom of many branches (there are none in lair or orc, but there are some in the lair's sub-branches)
you need to collect them to win the game

you need 3 to get into the final level, but a completionist win gets all 15

>>166273762
so should i do lair before or after the depths?

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Stop me if you've heard this one.

Knock Knock
>Who's there?
I resurrected
>I resurrected who?
EVERYBODY


I can't fucking imagine doing this place without a nano weapon holy shit

>>166273803
do lair after depths

>>166273803
You should clear D:27 before doing lair.

>>166273843
you use a bfg to gib all the corpses before they get rezzed

>>166274042
>>166274085
are you sure?

i'm reading a thread from the forums (albeit from 2013) where everyone's recommending doing lair as soon as you find it followed by orc and then finishing the dungeon

>>166274117
It's only because of the runelock, you should never ever do lair unless you feel extremely strong already. You should do D: 1-27, then Zot.

>>166274117
since then they have changed lair and orc to have fewer floors but the same total # of enemies, making them much more dangerous at low levels

personally i wait to do lair until i get the abyssal rune because of the blink frogs

Do I get a bonus if I use the arrow of the bard with the longbow of the bard?

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boy shafts sure are '''''''fun''''''''

ascended a bunch of meleedudes but never got very far with pure casting. I have iron shot + fire ball + bolt of magma + orb of destruction castable and those four are basically just my workhorse. I'm wondering what I should take as the 'big' level 9 blasting spell: firestorm, shatter, or crystal spear? My gut says I'll need more AoE than just fireball going into vault 5 and zot but I've never done those with a spellcasting character before so I dunno.

>>166273014
Dungeon, orc mines. Executioner axe > battleaxe = broad axe > war axe. Preferably a branded one.

>>166274962
Spider is murder on spellcasters. Ghost Moths do approximately infinite damage to your MP the moment they come into view, and if you don't have an escape, see invisible or other methods of killdudes, you're toast, especially since he has other buddies backing him up.

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Found out a neat thing about dopplegangers that I never knew before (chances are it's really not intended, too!)

If you change race using your racialskill, you can also use all the other monsters' own racial skills, but they don't time out when you change race!
Their racial power alone situationally can be a life-saver (turn into a human at level 30 to grab demonic grasp when facing a charge drainer or grab cult of personality to fuck summoners, turn into a yeek when facing acidic opponents for *acid etc) this one is even better.

Still, I don't think free stoneskin and other crap is worth the 250% xp penalty.

Also, did you know that tourists have a class-locked artifact, the platinum yendorian express card? It's stupid powerful, but also useless since you're a tourist.
Still no idea how they can get it, but it's fun that weak classes like tourists and weak races like snotlings have extremely strong stuff that you gotta discover on your own.

>>166276205
What does it do?

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>>166276441
It's an overall great shield.

>>166268665

he obviously meant peepeepoopies LOL

>>166242807

Honestly it's not the kind of thing I would usually do at all, but it works kinda easy.
As long as you're faster than him, you can run around the outside with him chasing. Every now and then he'll drop behind a tile, then run two on the next step, and you can get a free hit. It sounds way more complicated than it is

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Is this someone from /rlg/?

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<OH YES!>

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>>166276913

Wizard mode, I presume? What differences are there in PCB R over PCB, and should I switch?

>>166273843

Honestly I've played this game so so much and I still never get stuff like Onyx packs and the like (yes I do all the optional levels). Is there something I'm missing? I play on HMP and rarely get anything special.