/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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Vote for best mainline game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
Vote for best spinoff game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304

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zelenin is cute

I want to fuck Asherah

>>166447290
Oh yeah

too bad she's a lawfag

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>this fight
>it's the third boss in a row
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>166448226
git gud you piese of shet

>>166448226
Is final full of edgy anime dialogue like that pic?

Did you guys literally forget how to make new threads?

>>166448626
yeah, it was my first time be gentle

>>166448718
never OP my general again

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What the shit is this I just want to punch YHVH

>>166448831
I'm sorry bub

>>166448860
what the fuck game is this labyrinth from

>>166448860
bitch that aint eridanius

>>166448901
its Apocalypse, AKA the worst SMT game

>>166448718
I just say it because the 2 previous threads were archived before anyone could link to a new one.

>>166448406
Apocalypse does have a lot of angst, but despite what /smtg/ and /r/MegaTen say, I still highly recommend it. I'm still having fun with it.

>>166448951
Hi /r/megaten.

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>>166448406
Yes but they make for good screencaps.

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>>166448406
The entire conflict of Apocalypse is Power of Friendship vs "Fuck it I'll do it myself"

That said Maitreya in particular dislikes attachments of any kind in general on the grounds of "You can only find your own truth for yourself" and other 2deep4u mumbo jumbo. He's probably my favorite of the Divine Powers.

>>166449068
Seriously. It's impossible to please Megami Tensei fans.

>>166449173
Just make another nocturne

>>166449201
fuck you nocturne is what brought this cancer

>>166449201
Nocturne 2: Electric Demon Waifu

>>166448951
Tower of Kagatsuchi was way goddamn worse.

>>166449290
False

>>166449328
What is this meme?
>>166449290
Oh yes, SMTIV and FINAL are such good games. huh?

>>166449173
Nah, it's mostly the generals only.

>>166449290
>>166449483
Nocturne, IV, and Apocalypse were all good games though.

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>start Final the other day
>have to start the game anew
>not godlike like Flynn anymore
>have to go through the chores of recruiting demons all over again
>not enough slots in the stock for all unique demons in literally the first two areas of the game
>don't want to fuse demons who haven't learned all their skills yes
>don't have enough skill slots for the resulting demons to inherit all the skills
>if I expand my stock I won't have enough skill slots
>if I buy more skill slots I won't have enough space in stock

I enjoy SMT IV Final. Fight me.

>>166450420
Cool, I wouldn't like to be your friend, friend.

>>166450420
I enjoy SMT IV Apocalypse. Join me.

>>166450537
You wouldn't want to be my friend because we don't like the same video games?

>>166450678
Yeah bro.

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I enjoy all mainline games. Fight me.

>>166450692
What a fag. I'd clean all of the boogers out of your nose and pin your nostrils wide open then proceed to fuck you in the ass with a heated metal dildo if I ever came in contact with you.

>tfw no one likes Raidou

And I'm not talking about the character, I mean the actual games.

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>>166451012
How hot are we talking here?

>>166451087
I like them, but they're far from perfect, especially the first.

>>166451131
very

Does anyone know who composed the music for Jack Bros?

>>166451701
I did

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Confess your SMT related sins sons of man you'll feel better I promise

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I want to impregnate concept design Toki.

>>166452765
I blindly bought all the DLC for Final and actually use the Macca one so I can dress up my edgelord.

>>166452765
I used a chest to instantly master equiped mantras because I didn't feel like grinding to master them

I like concept Toki's hat but nothing else.

>>166452809
>rise with a hat

>>166452765
I recruited a team of female demons in nocturne and had them petrified and jerked off to them freezing and shattering
top that

>>166452765
I daydream holding hands with Scathach.

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>>166452765
I refuse to accept Doi as the new character designer for the next SMT games. His demons are fine though.
I like Yasuda's art.
I don't like DDS.

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>>166448406
pretty much

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>>166452765
I can't really self-insert in games but I kind of like Apocalypse for having a cast of characters that openly appreciate and even obsess over Nanashi, partially because deep down I actually crave affection and acceptance from other people despite my actions and insistence on the contrary.

>>166453250
>2nd spoiler
This is beyond redeemable.
Far, and beyond the worst sin anyone could possibly commit.

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>>166453562
Even worse than slaying YHVH? Will I get the eternal punishment too?

>>166453487
self-insert retard

>>166453694
Absolutely.
We can only hope you'll suffer a fate even worse.

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>>166453836
You brought this on your own self.

>>166453695
Self inserting is next to impossible though, I have no idea how people do it.

>>166453695
>>166454035
Self inserting is for autistic lonely waifu fags anyways. Don't do it, that character is not you and you're not that character. And you never will be.

>>166454286
Well yeah, that's the entire problem. I can't relate to the characters in these games on any level. Not just these games, any game really, even with games where you make your own character.

>>166454332
Then don't, I never did, I still enjoy stories, even tear up sometimes.
I see myself more as the string master in games.
If you know Earthbound or Baten Kaitos, they did it best as in they gave the player the role of being the player.

For games with character editor, I simply make up characters and roll with it. They are them and not power fantasies of myself, if anything simply things I like I or see as fitting.

>>166454332
>I can't relate to the characters in these games on any level.
I don't really see why people want to relate to characters in video games. Or any media.

>>166451348
Not the same anon but the combat and especially the demon catching mechanic in the 2nd Raidou game are turning me off pretty hard.

I really liked how he used to just shove them in his sticks, because as a demon cop, he shouldnt give a shit about them.

>>166454035
my name is actually Nanashi so it made things much easier and is probably why apocalypse is my favorite mainline

>>166454035
>>166454286
Self inserting is the most fun thing to do when playing these games because you know, it's an RPG (Role-Playing Game). I almost always do it. It's nice to get away from my life for a while and pretend I'm Nanashi/Flynn/Demi-fiend/whatever.

I'm having troubles finding the PC for the relic recovery quest.
Guides say it's supposed to be either in northwest Shinjuku, and I can't find it there, or as a quest reward but I've done all other challenge quests except Osiris's Resurrection and the Hunter Tournament Finals, and I've not gotten it yet.
Now I'm right before the part where you have to kill Lilith.

>>166456005
Take the eastern exit in Shinjuku. It should be in the first area outside, top left corner. Although I dunno if it's supposed to be 100% gather chance or not. Because the fucking smartphones weren't. So save before you interact with it.

>>166456792
Checked Eastern shinjuku for 3 or so real life days straight now, it's definitely not there for me. At this point I can only assume it spawns randomally somewhere in the whole world.

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>>166456845
Maybe, I just finished my own first playthrough, so I'm not exactly an expert on this game. But that's where I found it.

Why is Neutral path literally sidequest the game? Wtf?

>>166457019
Don't tell me you were going to avoid content in the game you were playing unless it forced you to do it.
Hell, you don't even need to fight Beelzebub for the Neutral Ending, and it's the hardest fight in the game after Minotaur and Medusa.

>>166457151
>Don't tell me you were going to avoid content in the game you were playing unless it forced you to do it.
That's how I always play. Sidequests are generally the lowest effort parts of the game anyway

Okay listen up.
Don't know my exact score.
Cynical man says I'm hard to get a handle on.
Sided with Johnatan, still need to kill Lilith.
Done all sidequests expect the pc recovery and Osiris's Resurrection.
Am I good to go on for neutral?

>>166455646
>it's an RPG
JRPGs don't really have that same freedom and choices that WRPGs have though. I could maybe see it in things like Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, Vampire: The Masquerade, etc. but even then it's like, stop pretending you nigger. Do you have a shitty life or something?

>>166457575
Doesn't matter. Just keep playing and find out. You can do Neutral on NG+ following a guide.

>>166457637
I don't have time to play a 50 hours game twice anon.

>>166457587
No I would say I have a pretty good life. It gets boring though. I want superpowers. I want to be the best at everything effortlessly. I want people to obsess over me. These games are convenient for that.

I hope there is a chance for me to just let Daichi die later on.

I can't deal with this insufferable faggot much longer.

>>166457575
Just play the fucking game. There's no telling how many points you have right now if you haven't been scrupulously following a guide since the start.
I got Neutral on my first playthrough without even trying. Just don't act low an extreme Lawfag or a Chaosfag and you should naturally end in Neutral.

>>166457664
Should have followed a guide then.

>>166457664
Your second playthrough shouldn't take you nearly as long.

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> Friend playing Nocturne for the first time on normal
> Grinds to 23, or higher he says, for Matador.

Having friends is shit, Dagda was right.

>>166457664
You don't belong here anon.

>>166457725
Shut up Daichi is cool.

How long would Tokyo and it's survivours last with a firmament above it and demons fucking about underneath? Assume that the events of IV and Apocalypse don't happen, meaning no Flynn, Merkabah, or Lucifer to upset the status qou. How long until buildings crumble and people run out of stuff to scavage?

>>166458594
Tayama rules everything with his redpills. Toyko is fine.

>>166458594
Well before Flynn it was a shitty life but the people were surviving no problem. What they salvage is luxury items and data.
Water comes from the ground just as today in RL and they eat demons.
Otherwise the Ring of Gaea and those Mafia dudes upheld a status quo just fine between making business with and cracking down on the Demons, it's also not really in the interest of the chaos sided Demons to completely wipe out humanity.

>>166457682
>I want to be the best at everything effortlessly. I want people to obsess over me.
That's pretty pathetic anon.

>>166459164
No it's not. Everyone wants to have this but most can't have it. I wasn't born to rich parents so I have to work for what I want, fine. A man can always fantasize though.

>>166458480
He's a whiny bitch who won't get that Io

>>166452765
There is literally nothing wrong with wanting to fuck a demon

>>166459590
Daichi is the everyman. As if you wouldn't whine if you ended up in his place. As far Io, he can get her if you go with someone else.

>>166459645
Half-breed abominations.

>>166459645
Failure as a human.

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>>166451701
Hiroyuki Yanada aka Yanda

Hey guys, How long is SMT IV Apo?

I just warded off sesha and I was wondering if there are some cool shit that will happen as it is becoming more of a shounen anime now with how much anoying asahi is.

>>166462334
What the fuck were they trying to do with Asahi anyway? I actually didn't mind her at first but then she never left while simultaneously slowly grew more and more obnoxious.

Well Merek was a fucking joke. After skill cracking the bottom two demons I just focused on Merak for the last two skill cracks. I don't know what the little merak spheres were supposed to do because they were moving randomly. I just ignored them.

Dubhe was easy as well though. Bosses in this game nothing compared to DeSu

>>166462708
Yeah I have no fucking clue what the fuck's wrong with her. I thought SMT IV navarre or isacharre were bad.

Navarre is pretty based here though.

>>166449170
How can you pick a favorite Divine Power when they are all so amazing.

>>166457587
wRPGs have a lot less actual choices, and most of the games that did came out in the 90's. wRPGs with actual choices are pretty slim. I think Geneforge is the only wRPG series that truly gave me the degree of freedom that made it actually worthwhile. It was sort of similar to SMT where you go around, learn about the different factions, and then choose, except the choice happens roughly at the half point of the game instead of the very end. And even then, in Geneforge's case, you weren't actually locked into any particular choice for good. You could always backstab anyone (or everyone) at any point.

>>166458313
>Play Nocturne for the first time
>Never grind, just beat every encounter I get
>Run into Matador unexpectedly
>Fight carefully and beat him first time
>No buffs no nothing

I seriously dont understand what people complain about. I didnt even have a dedicated buffer until Kagutsuchi and I got TDE.

>>166463257
So, you played on normal mode?

>>166460226
She's second best at most.

>>166463037
They all suck

>>166463238
Also, Geneforge is about playing a Wizard who can summon a party of monsters and then go on a killing spree to kill all your friends and enemies to attain ultimate power. Go figure.

Other classes like Warrior, Thief and the typical Fireball Wizard exist, but the Shaper is the 'main' class of the series-

>>166463313
Just like the majority of people who complained about Matador. He's an overhyped boss fight.

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>>166463443
I suppose you're right there.
God. People fucking suck at video games.

If I don't care about 100%, should I go for chaos on my first playthrough of SMT IV? Or should I go law --> chaos --> neutral (for any NG+ Chaos demons that'd be useful for neutral)?

>>166448406
Pretty much. Some demons like Maitreya, Dagda, and at one point Inanna think that humans are weak because they rely on the power of friendship. They sorta have a point since a group of well armed humans can barely hurt a high level demon like Adramelech, or even Merkbah.

>>166464763
otoh Lucifer and Dagda froth over humans because they can actually kill the other demons. Also, for all Dagda's preaching about relying on yourself, he _has_ to rely on Nanashi to get his will done. He'd be useless without relying on another person.

The whole thing is kinda circular logic that ends up being flat and lame if you spend even one neuron thinking about it.

>>166464505
Play blind your first time, aim for neutral your second if you didn't get it the first time. Whether you feel like playing through the game a third time for the lasting ending after that is your prerogative.

>>166464763
>They sorta have a point since a group of well armed humans can barely hurt a high level demon like Adramelech, or even Merkbah.
What makes certain humans different?

>>166463328
The Divine Powers were one of the best things in Apocalypse, right up there with Dagda, Adramelech, and Satan. Atlus destroyed were so successful in destroying the credibility of Law and Chaos that the Divine Powers were the only reasonable answer.

>>166465636
>Atlus destroyed were so successful in destroying the credibility of Law and Chaos
Yeah by giving them no routes, just a voice over. Both Lucifer and Merkabah had good ideas, better than the Divine Powers' let's just kill everyone lol.

Does anyone else think that SMTII feels super empty? Like I'm going through buildings that are just empty hallways of fucking nothing and nobody, at least in I you had a lot more NPCs in places.

Also how the fuck do you recruit demons in this fucking game? And why do I have like zero fusions available?

who here actually played tokyo mirage sessions smt? i started the beginning but never really got into it. does it ever turn into an actual SMT game with real nigga demons and shit or is it always a watered down pursona

>>166465724
Both Lucifer and Merkabah's routes end with Nanashi as the puppet king of Mikado until YHVH decides to fire up the next Law-Neutral-Chaos war to keep himself in power.

>>166453362
Why did an Ancient Sumerian Goddess act like a mix between Disney Villain, and Japanese Mom?

>>166466178
Did you play the game? In the Merkabah route you suicide yourself because people splattered in the blood of infidels is impure. In the Lucifer route you are just another one of Lucifer's pals. No mention of ruling Mikado at all.

>>166452765
I play every game in easy mode

>>166452765
I want to read manga with Isabeau.

>>166464962
Dagda is fine with worling with likeminded individuals, as he even has minions as the Mikado Epidemic DLC client shows.

He wants Nanashi to be like him and chose to be free, severing attachments the moment they become detrimental to yourself and hold you back.

He also understands taking away all your Godslayers will is actually detrimental to their abilities, which is why he wants Nanashi to decide for himself.

It's definitely hypocritical, but he doesn't really have a choice as YHVH made the universe to be one where attachments and dependcy are the foundation of everything.

>>166465539
Humans are not created equal. Some like Messiahs are special even before they are born.

I'm currently playing 2 for the first time and when does this pick up? I was just told to go get Hiroko out of jail.

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>>166452949
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>>166459645
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>>166468675

ONE THOUSAND DEATHS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO ATONE FOR THINE SINS.
I SHALL SMITE THEE, AND IN HELL I SHALL TORTURE THEE OVER AND OVER!

>>166453036
She looks pretty different to Rise.

Wake up Nanashi!
Wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up

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does anyone have that one 3 panel edit of Baphoment riding and falling off his bike, Demi-fiend laughing at him and baphoment using agidyne causing critical against demidood?

>>166447043
no mt2 no vote

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>>166454809
>Someone else played Baten Kaitos
Awesome, more people should. Also yeah that's more or less about what I do with created characters, that is if I can get them to not look awful.

>>166471674
If your dungeon in Apocalypse wasn't so damn big I would have drop kicked you already.

>>166454809
You are my nigga.
That is the best way to play RPGs.

>>166447016
>http://shin-megamitensei.jp/
COMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOONCOMING SOON

>>166449828
>>don't want to fuse demons who haven't learned all their skills yes
it's just lunge and patra, who gives a shit

Dagda did nothing wrong.

>>166462334
Don't worry, she dies

>>166476124
And then comes back to life.

>>166475858
Dagda's actions in SMTIVA:

>Resurrect Nanashi
>Express opinions
>Help during boss battles
>Resurrect your waifu

Literally nothing wrong yet bondfags call him evil.

>>166476247
Not if you go Massacre.

Can someone give me tips for Xi Wangmu? This bitch is really pushing my shit in.

>>166476765
Don't be a scrub

>level 60
>just fused demonee-ho
Fusion level boost was a great investment.

>>166476558
>people he wants to kill call him evil

what a fucking revelation

>>166476558
>Resurrect your waifu
Nigga Dagda as you know him for 99% of the game did not do that, and Dagda is a hypocritical kid anyway.
>I WILL CREATE A UNIVERSE WHERE EVERYONE WILL TRULY BE FREE
>KILL YOUR FRIENDS, THEY ONLY HOLD YOU BACK
>YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS ON YOUR OWN
>Meanwhile Dagda literally cannot accomplish his goals without relying on other people to carry out tasks in his stead
>It also is completely fucking stupid and impractical to just be a selfish, solitary dick all game.
Explain this Dagdababs.

>>166476765
She's weak to Force

>>166462708
She gets better

>>166475721
The easter egg of the site got me pretty hyped though.

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what's his alignment?

>>166479890
Bonds

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Akemi Nakajima - computer genius

>>166452765
i want to marry asahi

>>166479843
what easter egg

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So I'm finally finished with DDS1&2 after being meme'd into playing the series. What a load of crap, way overrated games.

Pros:
-Music is quite good
-Press Turn
-Story and setting setup is amazing in DDS1, but then falls to shit with DDS2
-Better dungeons than in Nocturne, on average.

Cons
-3 character parties only

-FFX/XII syndrome: everyone can learn to do everything, the only limitation being the 8 skill slots that you can freely swap around at any time outside of combat.

-No interesting party building options because there's nothing interesting happening with the character weaknesses. You simply start building up the opposing element on the Atma grid to eventually cancel out whatever weakness your character may have had. Except for Cielo in DDS1 who, for some fucking reason, has more weaknesses than anyone else. Where's the consistency? Either give everyone more weaknesses or don't gimp Cielo.

-Weaknesses are less intuitive in DDS. An enemy casting bufu does not mean that they are weak to agi. It's really crappy design and feels like it's too much trial and error.

-Takes a bit too long to get anything interesting going on with the Atma grid because of how fast the money curve goes up. Grinding for atma itself is quite fast and painless if you have the wisdom to grab the Hunting nodes asap, but you'll be strapped for money.

-Agility has no bearing on turn order. In fact, I'm not too sure what Agility is useful for. I tried not investing in it and had no problems with the games at all.

-DDS2 railroads party members on you hard. You only get freedom in the last dungeon.

They aren't awful games, but they aren't particularly good either.

>>166449290
Nocturne itself isn't the problem, it's the fags that played Nocturne first and claims it is what the series should be when it's the outlier.

>have to fight Lucifer right after defeating Merkabah with no heal in between

WHAT the fuck. I don't understand this game's obsession with making you fight 2-3 bosses in a row.

>>166482526
>-Weaknesses are less intuitive in DDS. An enemy casting bufu does not mean that they are weak to agi. It's really crappy design and feels like it's too much trial and error.
Just analyze desu
I never understood how anyone can have trouble finding weaknesses.

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>>166485660
Git Gud desu
Bring someone that nulls gun(Both),someone with Tetrakarn(Lucy), and someone with Hamaon/Mudoon.
Get level heal, get to the point where one fight will level you up, beat Merk and enjoy fighting Lucy after a full heal.

>>166486017
I actually almost got through Lucifer my first time but I was wearing armor that was weak to gun. I'm more frustrated with having to go through the cutscenes and Merkabah again. Thanks for the tips though

>>166486375
then just hold x/down?

>>166485660
In the temple, it's because Inanna's spirit came back from the dead to haunt Nozomi/ Danu for stealing her powers. After she disappears, Maitreya thought that party down while they were exhausted.

In the Reactor, it's because you shit talked Lucifer and rejected his offer despite him being slightly nicer than Dagda.

>>166478881
Dagda's offer would've been too perfect to resist without shoehorning anime villian cliche attributes onto him. They had to make the other side's power of friendship the "right" choice.

It felt like IVA was trying to go for clear cut good vs evil in general and appeal to the P4 crowd on top of having piss poor writing.

>>166485665
It's not hard in any of the other games, just in DDS, because they tried to be more special snowflake with the resistances and weaknesses. In the end they just made them inconsistent, which is frustrating.

>>166488136
>making the other choice more appealing by making the more interesting choice slightly worse on purpose

The alignment choices haven't been interesting since the SNES games anyway. And alignment based parties has been thrown out the dumpster as well.

>>166488427
So what if you played DDS as your first game in the series?

Weaknesses not being the same all the time isn't a bad thing.

>>166488136
But the Bonds side is so poorly handled that it's impossible to root for them. Doesn't help that Shesha disguised as Flynn is the only one make a great speech for Bonds better than Stephen, or Danu.

>>166488824
It's a flawed idea because it leads to an inevitably flawed execution. There's nothing good about having inconsistent weaknesses and it doesn't teach people anything more than just to put up with trial and error until you get the right choice. And with the addition of a 5th unnecessary element, it makes the process ever more tedious.

In SMT the progression of weaknesses and resistances was always that it starts off as fairly simple Pokemon-level shit, but then gets progressively more complex and interesting when nulls, reflects and drains start crpeeing into play. But for the most part looking at the demon it's not impossible to judge what they might be weak against, and 90% of the time you'll know what to hit them with after they've hit you with their abilities. There's always the exception, but those are outliers.

DDS fails to do this.

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>>166489524
DDS felt like no more guess work than any other SMT. Plus there's analyse for a reason and the extra element added a bit more complexity to offset the lack of demon fusion. DDS 1&2 are great games in my opinion and great entry point to the series for people who like the traditional party element.

>>166489196
The Bonds side backfired on a lot of players, yes, but I don't think that was the intention of the writers.

>>166490446
>DDS felt like no more guess work than any other SMT.

Well, that's a flat out lie. We already established that DDS, for the most part, does not follow the convention of "this guy is casting shitload of fire spells on me, he should be weak to ice", while also keeping this part true for the characters. That is conflicting design and this kind of inconsistency is jarring.

I think DDS is a bad starting point for the series. If you want to get into SMT then you need to play SMT the way it is, as a demon collectathon, and not the game that plays like a typical jRPG. I'll never recommend this game to anyone who wants to dip their toes into the series, but I think it is something that people should try if they've exhausted everything else SMT has to offer and just want more.

>>166490654
Oh well, should've gone with the Polythesitic Alliance Civil War instead of retard nakama power in hindsight.

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>>166488136
I suppose you're right in some way, but I found Dagda insufferable. Him going on about solitude was stupid when the only reason any of the shit worked was because of teamwork. And honestly being Dagda's thrall was a shit proposition to start with, but it was either that or ded.

>>166448226
USE GUN ATTACKS

>>166491507
What makes his speech about solitude different and dumber than Maitreya's rant?

>>166491781
Nothing? Both were dumb and kind of missed the point, only Dagda had greater leverage because he was keeping you alive. Maitreya was just a bully.

>>166491507
That's strengthening my point. The writing was too biased in Bonds favor, pushed them as a "right" option, and gave Dagda attributes that didn't even suit him for the sole purpose of making Bonds look good. And this backfired on a lot of people.

>>166492050
Maitreya just wanted to teach the Dharma, through the strangle of enlightenment. How can we hate him for trying to choke humanity into spiritual awareness?

>>166491091
>Well, that's a flat out lie
That's an opinion.

>>166489524
I don't see where you're coming from. There are still demons with obvious flaws like fire monsters who are weak to bufu, flying foes which are weak to zan, and the added electric monsters which are weak to tera.

You are good at wording your concerns, but to me it seems like you are just annoyed because you couldn't beat everything at the first try through memorization.

As a person who sucked hard with fusing in noctune, any good fusions that you anons have memorized?

>>166494030
>but to me it seems like you are just annoyed because you couldn't beat everything at the first try through memorization.

It's more of an annoyance during the random encounters, which are all easily beatable regardless. The pace is just 50% slower until you find the right weaknesses. The more elaborate animations (for crits, for example) and the general slower pace of the animations, while still retaining a high encounter rate, make it a pretty annoying experience.

Resistances being less obvious in boss fights is fine, although some encounters did feel odd like Bat being weak to Tera.

>>166492609
Maitreya was probably my favorite of the Powers.
>Trying to seal the jars
>Then Inanna's ghost.
>Then Maitreya bursts through the wall like the Kool-Aid man.

>>166492498
I think much of the problem is the buildup. There's just no reason to notcooperate with people.

>>166494626
Just download heretic mansion. There's really no formula for good fusions in Nocturne, just pick a demon and see what path you can take to get him that gets you good skills.

>>166476247
in the worst route, yeah

>>166478036
He didn't want to kill them, he didn't give a shit about them. They attacked first

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>>166452765
I want to bully nozomi by fucking her senseless

>>166452765
I want Mastema to fuck me senseless and show me the light of heaven with his holy cock

Emoji Demon: Foul Race

>>166497238
I wonder how Nozomi would react to Nanashi lusting after her? Would she let him fuck her?

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Fuck you Atlus

>>166499080
Of course not, that would be necrophilia

>>166499967
This is in bonds route.

>>166488136
This is correct. In fact they had to remove humans as normal encounters, removal the whole death tournaments humans have FOR FUN in Tokyo, the corruption of the Ashura-kai, try to make Hope more than a beta bitch (which he still becomes in Epidemic Mikado), downplay the shitty aspects of the Ring of Gaea yet have them still be the same bunch of retards, have hypocritical "respect" for other peoples choices, how countless humans ate reds to join the demons amd fuck over humans, actually downplay the asshole fairies that we did see in IV, and have characters never learn certain truths.

Like the Hal backstory from IVA's artbook that reveals the Ashura-kai killed his mom and his dad becoming a member guised as a human is the only reason he didn't end up being a red pill farm.

>>166491507
Dagda did spend some 2500+ years in solitude according to the anons who got the artbook. He was hanging out in Yomotsu Hirasaka wallowing in his own despair and abandon everything.

Then he apparently met Akira.

>>166500771
What else is written in the artbook?

>>166501809
ur a faget

>>166501809
The anons awhile back mentioned some other stuff from the artbook shen IVA came out in english, but I don't remember much.

Hal's short story was translated by someone on tumblr I recall.

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I fucking hate SJ's bosses.

>>166502805
>Hal's short story
Oh I don't care about him. I was just wondering if there was some stuff on the characters that matter.

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>>166503259
Agreed

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>>166501921

>>166503259
>>166504101
SJ was so bad

childhood is when you like nocturne
adultness is when you like desu

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>>166474840
I would play Baten Kaitos via emulator, were it not for my crappy PC slowing the game down.

>>166504697
childhood is when you like Megaten
adulthood is when you drop it for EO

>>166504861
Oh come on. EO is shit and we all know it. We're just not saying anything.

>>166504861
>le generic meme wizardry clone with lolis is good meme

>>166504861
EO is boring

>>166504861
Why do people shill for EO so much? I've played 2 games and while they were good and certainly had better mechanics than some MegaTen games, it never felt as good as people make it out to be, hell, it was very plain compared to other Atlus' games.

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I just got a 3ds senpai, what game should I play first?

So, I just started playing SMT 4 and I dont get why everyone calls it shit.
Yeah, sure its not as good as the previous ones but its decent.
Im still really early in the game so it may get worse with time.

>>166505530
SOUL HACKERS YOU WHORE

>>166505592
It's fun.

>>166505592
It's good but a lot of stuff is broken.

>>166505530
Play SMTIV:A
Ignore >>166505662, it's shit.

>>166505134
EO is barely a wizardry clone

>>166503259
>>166504101
>>166504303
I'm not looking to start a long unnecessary discussion that will lead to nothing, but i'm really curious, what do you guys disliked about SJ? I personally love it to death and i'd like to understand other people's opinion.

>>166505530
Etrian Odyssey IV

>>166506262
constant nagging interruptions to dungeon crawling for plot exposition/forma hunting

>>166506262
Where to begin:

1) The characters are really bland. Zelenin, Jimenez and Goro are extremely boring.

2) The demon fusion system is awful. It's horrible.

3) The dungeon design is horrible.

The story and the concepts were good but there were simply too many let downs.

>>166506179
Your opinion is shit.

https://youtu.be/YjAruPJdmOk
what the hell where they thinking

>>166506814
Literally everyone hated Soul Hackers.

>>166506826
is this ironic

>>166506902
Define "everyone".

>>166506902
guess again bub

>>166507262
Most people

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>>166506902
say it in my face and not over paradigm x you twat

>>166507028
It is what happens when you ask a nerdy jap to make a hip rap song.

>>166507337
Ok.

>>166505530
SMTIV:A and Soul Hackers, you can play both at the same time no problem

>>166507028
it's straight up war for manitou

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>>166452765
I like toki

And I tend to grind to get all of a demon's skills

https://youtu.be/VuQtIvbkurs this is better desu

>>166506262
I don't hate the game or anything, but some of these bosses present new problems all the time. Ouroboros healing after every round, Asura being annoying unless you solo him, Gore resetting the fight, etc. I've already accepted that buffs and debuffs are incredibly important, but sometimes it goes too far. I mean, how do you defend against Adaptation if you can't always cast the spell right before?

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How did you guys get into SMT?

>2010
>Watched CGR review for SJ
>Heard battle song
>Went out and bought it

>>166507826
I like this
https://youtu.be/PhZ9FT4l414

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>muh observation

>>166508081
i played jack bros on my virtual boy when it came out

>>166508081
Figured to try out one of the games last year, and Strange Journey was the best choice due to its aesthetic, official localization, and can be easily emulated.

>>166508256
I want him to fuck off already. The games would be better without him and his shit goddess.

>never played SMT because I thought it was just your standard weebshit
>homebrewed my 3DS and pirated a bunch of games
>SMT IV was one of them
>I gave it a shot and it's actually fantastic
What's my next step after this and IV apocalypse? I have all the other 3DS games already installed.

>>166508493
what do people even mean by weebshit anymore

SMT is extremely japanese no matter how you look at it unless you're only familiar with shounen shit.

>>166508493
cockturne

>>166508081
>Friend was in class playing IV
>Watch him play for a bit
>His Mokoi levels up
>"Oh shit I learnt a new school, now I can kick more ass"

I was sold then.

>>166508731
*Skill

>>166508126
this is shoegee muguru as fuck and it sucks.

Snow in Jamaica > The rest of the hyper arrange

Tfw I was finally gonna buy Nocturne and DDS1+2, but my PS3 broke. Would it be cheaper to just buy a PS2 and buy the games physically and buy another PS3 and go digital?

>>166505530
SMT4 is piss easy once you get to Tokyo so just blast through that and then go for Apocalypse.

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>>166508493
Devil Survivor 1-2 and Soul Hackers.
You also need to play Nocturne, SJ and DDS at some point.

>>166509212
BUDUDUDUDUDU DUH DUH

>playing SMT1
>the health and MP counters keep overflowing
this is cool and all but is it gonna break the game eventually

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>>166508081
After I saw Kaneko's designs I decided to get into SMT. Started with 1. I think Terminator was the first demon I saw.

>>166509607
Nah, just embrace it when it works in your favor.

>>166509608
>this design has never reappeared in any game ever
Fucking why? Makes me want a SMT2 remake as the 3DS project even more.

>>166508081
>was about to buy Catherine (I already rented it and beat it, but I wanted to have it)
>P4 was also there
>remember some posts from Newgrounds that I read years ago which recommended it a lot
>say fuck it and get that instead
>beat it and then P3
>then move on to play SMT IV because of you guys

>>166510402
>in any game ever
in any other game, obviously

>>166509392
The DDS ports have audio desync bugs, so it'd probably be better to buy a PS2 and get physical copies that way. Hell, you can still buy new copies of the games for less than $20 each.

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>>166508081
My mom bought me Nocturne for my birthday.

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>"Man Metatron is easy as fu--"
>A horde of Metatrons appeared!
WHAT

>>166508631
Waifushit and blatant pandering such as Toki's autistic orgasms

>>166512138
MY LORD WILL CREATE AS MANY OF ME AS NECESSARY

>>166512518
Betatron pls go

>>166512492
>Implying SMT didn't always have waifushit and pandering
Tiamat disagrees. The next thing you'll say is "But Tiamat isn't attractive" and to that I say you are a pleb for not wanting to fill Tiamat's navel vagina with your seed.

>>166508081
I watched the Persona 4 anime and decided to play the games. I wish I was lying.

>>166513594
well, at least you played them. a lot of people who say they love games that got anime adaptations only watched the anime and never touch the game.

>>166513498
WHERE ARE THE TIAMAT LEWDS

>>166513498
When the fuck is Tiamat following you around the game, calling you master, blushing and moaning around you? When the fuck does Tiamat say she loves you as you deliver the final blow to her?

>>166513743
I never touched Persona 4 though, just never felt like doing so after already knowing the entire plot. I played every Persona game except 4.

>>166514078
Why do i get the feeling you're talking about Fate Tiamat and not SMT?

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>>166510402
It'd be nice to see a 3D version of him. Wonder why they completely ignored him so far.

A lot of people been chanting for a 1+2 remake since they announced the new 3DS project. Hopefully, it'll happen. I think, it'd make a safe investment for Atlus.

>>166508081
I knew about it from X-Play and /v/. I bought Nocturne from Gamestop on a whim and thought it was fun.

>>166514078
In my dreams. And then I weep as she evolves into Ym.

>>166514798
goat demon design
>>166514684
woat

>tfw you will never explore IV Tokyo for the first time again

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>>166514397
>Fate Tiamat

>>166514078
Tiamat and the other female demons are very lewd in Apocalypse. They offer their breasts to Nanashi if he spares them, and whips out items that they had stored in them.

>>166512518
Why make him a robot? Lame. He was cool when he had personality.

>>166513498
Tiamat is fugly. Nobody likes her unironically.

>>166514257
Infidel

>>166514798
Is that Toki?

>>166515571
t. likes children because he can't handle women

>>166515571
>Tiamat is fugly

She's a sexy MILF demon you fag

>>166515874
>>166515983
No thanks. I'll stick with the conventionally attractive demons like Lilim, Succubus, Ishtar and Napaea. Tiamat is very low in that list.

>>166514684
Holy Kek when?

>>166516227
yawn

So who's the Minotaur equivalent in Apocalypse? Only a few hours in right now.

>>166512518
>>166513445
>stun needles
>rob him
ERROR ERROR

>>166516371
Odin, The Marici-Inanna-Maitreya non-stop boss battle, Krishna, Angel Hordes and Azrael.

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>>166515571
Speak for yourself.

>>166516227
>Succubus
Too thin

>>166516371
Maitreya

I wish you could kill off your partners one by one at different points of IV:F

Or maybe choose between sacrificing a friend or an alternativ like in Lisa

>>166516371
Sukona-Hikona

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>>166506262
Anon who made the pic >>166504101 here.

Overall, I like SJ. I liked the character design, the atmosphere and especially the themes of the game. The soundtrack grew on me, and dungeons were pretty good. However, here's my main problems:

1) Demon fusion system is pretty bad. It's similar to Nocturne, but worse, as to at least being able to shuffle the skills the result demon would inherit, you have to use a demon Source, and some demons can't inherit the skills you want them to have, which is a pain in the fucking ass. Getting Sources is also a bitch, especially when you've already used it and want to get another one.
2) Pretty much what >>166508043 said. Many of the boss fights are RNG-dependant, which wouldn't have been such a problem if instead of the clunky Co-op attacks this game had Press Turn system instead. Often the game forces you to overprepare for boss fights because you can't do jack shit about them, and you have to aimlessly wander around to grind for experience and forma to level up and fuse new demons (and if you're playing for the first time, you can't fuse demons higher your level).
3) Secret doors gimmick. Whoever came up with that is an asshole. It basically forces you to turn around 360 degrees at every step you make to make sure you didn't miss one of those.
4) Excessive Forma grinding required for getting some kind of decent weapon, armor or item. I know it's explained by the plot, but come on.
5) NG+ only content. I always hated this. I hated it in SMT2, in Raidou 2, in DDSaga games, the list goes on. It's a cheap way to prolong the game time, especially if you're a completionist or looking for challenge. And on top of that, extra bosses is just another portion of unfair RNGfest. Thankfully, you can fuse any demon you want, and just steamroll everyone with Shiva and friends.

>>166517234
>some demons can't inherit the skills you want them to have, which is a pain in the fucking ass
I think you just have to repeatedly press A and B to cycle through inheritable skills, or that may be just for when choosing a demon source to include.

>>166517991
Sometimes it doesn't work. I remember fusing some demon who had Jihad to get Amaterasu, but no matter how many times I tried, with demon Source or not, Jihad never showed up in Amaterasu's skill list, so I had to waste Shiva's Sorce to get what I wanted.

>>166517234
>>166517991
>>166518354
You can make the demon get exactly the skills you want be fusing them with a Mitama and then adding a demon source, and them reseting until you get what you want. This reshuffles all of the skills he has (might need to have over the limit of skills avaiable for it to work, I'm not really sure).

>>166517234
>>166517234
>It's a cheap way to prolong the game time
Not really. It gives you some extra content if you want to replay the game the problem is the completionist autism.

>>166520005
>make an EO-style SMT game
>can't completely map dungeons on first playthrough
Thanks Atlus

Do I need to have stats at a certain point to get past the YHVH dungeon in IV A?

>>166512005
Badass.

>>166503436
Mastema was one of Akira's demons.

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>finish spamming fundraise at everything so i could get the silver coin
>go back to southeast passage
>accidentally run into an enemy
>its a nekomata
>The Enemy attacks first!
>Wastrel Beam!

I almost impulse snapped my 3DS. I've never felt this mad at a video game before.

>>166521002
No, all of the stat doors are optional.

>>166523510
Good. Thanks.

Just started in 4 last night and it's my first SMT game. Is it normal to SR a bunch because I find myself doing it fairly frequently. It's like I can get wiped out so easily and if I'm far from healing then it's such a pain.

Asahi is CUTE

>>166526419
woof

>>166526419
4u

>>166505662
i dropped it when the two demons that were carrying me through the first area just fucking left for no reason.
i might pick ot back up wheb i get a new 3DS, since mine kicked the bucket recently.

>>166508081
>be about 15 or so
>playing Summon Night Swordcraft Story 2
>hey, this Atlus company does some pretty good shit, wonder what else theyve got
>check amazon, find Nocturne and DDS for ps2, which was the only other system i had at the time
>fuck it, why not
>order both, hop back and forth through both
>holy shit my casual ass cant handle this, but its so fun, cant fucking stop
>play a couple others, including Demikids, SJ and Persona 3
>fucking hooked now, bitch
>currently playing SMT1 and just finished reading Digital Devil Story 1.

by the way, is the third book translated? i havent been able to find any news of it.

>>166474840
GOOD LUCK SON OF MAN, I'M BEHIND 7 BRANES

>>166525625
short answer: git gud
longer answer: if this is your first run of any smt game, you can exoect to die a fair amount. the nice thing about 4 is that it doesnt penalize you for dying all that much. if you've got 3ds play coins or a good amount of macca (though you won't want to spend that since its a bitch to get in the first place), you shouldnt habe to worry about soft resetting. plus youve got to die at least twice to get certain things, like unlocking easy mode.

>>166533141
Nope. The dude who translated the first two did it like 6 years ago and kinda stopped caring because very few people gave a fuck about it by the time he finished the second novel.
No one has tried working on the third book ever since.

>>166533495
dickholes. better brush up on my moonrunes, then. maybe in another year or so I'll take a crack at translating it. is the raw available in the pastebin?

thanks for answering, btw. 'preciate it.

What's a good source of income in 4A endgame?

>>166508081
>niggers shitpost persona on /v/
>what the hell, might as well make my own opinion
>grab megami ibunroku

>>166466556
Because the writers of Final didn't care about the mythological orogins of their characters. Same thing happened with Krishna, Dagda, Maitreya, and to a certain extent, YHVH

>>166534249
based

>>166534210
Bind + Fundraise in YHVH's universe. Flynn increases the amount you get.

>>166532395
>just fucking left for no reason.
no, you were a cunt to them

>>166508081
I was like 13 years old when i saw the feature Nintendo Power did for Strange Journey. The art fascinated me, as did the whole concept of a big black hole apearing on earth. I didn't play it until senior year of high school when i emulated it on my phone to play during a blow off class. Quickly became one of my favorite games ever.

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>>166508081
The SMT x FE trailer got me interested and I eventually bought IV with birthday money

Death

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>>166508081
Saw Persona 2 guide in 2000s regional Official Playstation magazine and got hooked by Kaneko art instantly. Never played it tho.

>>166513594
Original P4 anime wasn't too bad.
Devil Survivor 2 on the other hand...

>>166534441
>Krishna
What his design is perfect.

Dagda too.

You say this like they don't make single game specific designs.

>>166466556
She's not a Disney Villain. She's rightfully pissed that Danu stole from her for MUH FAIRIES and is overcompensating because she fears losing the rest cause her power represents her identity.

Her fears are of course correct because Nozomi's a bitch and Danu's a Tyrant.

>>166537715
I don't think that anon is talking about their designs.

>>166533651
You can find the summary of all books here
http://hiro.moo.jp/owariya/basic/story/basic.htm

>>166537945
>>166537715
I was talking about their characterisations but their designs don't really do a great job of reflecting the figure they are suposed to represent. I don't think that they're bad designs (they're a million times better than the guest designs from 4) but the early concept art does a much better job of reflecting the orginal mythological figures. (Dagda especially)

>>166537850
Nozomi even realizes why Inanna was so pissed off when Danu absorbs Inanna's remains.

why is danu inside nozomi anyway
did she just open her legs one day and danu enters into her anus

>>166508081
>Saw a review for Strange Journey on Destructiod
>Their weeb expert said it's hardcore and oldschool and the demonica helmet looked cool.

How could my edgy 22 years old self resist?

>>166539510
Are you seriously saying you didn't play through SMTIV on neutral first?

>>166538638
>but their designs don't really do a great job of reflecting the figure they are suposed to represent

Anon, that's true for at least half the demons that exist. Metatron has a canonical appearance, and it looks nothing like the robot we have, for example. Most of them are just loosely adapted with lots of creative liberties taken.

It is hilarious that they gave the new Odin redesign the color scheme of the Swedish flag, however. Must make Norway feel left out.

>>166538638
>>166539827
To lazy to look up which ones, just read some entries in whatever SMT game you have and see how many demons even clearly visually clash with their description.

And I'm fine with this, european "scholars" in the medieval times couldn't even paint a lion correctly, god knows how they would have described some of the monstrosities in SMT and why shouldn't a cool dude like Krishna change into a daper suit to reflect his playboy attitude in modern times instead of looking like a faggot in drag.

>>166515492
Yes, they act suggestive towards you. Having a couple of lines like that isn't a problem. The problem is that Toki obsesses over you during the whole game, and that she's human. It's more natural for a demon to act that submissive

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just finished Samael (level 73). Should i do 4th and 5th kalpa now?

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>>166491507
It doesn't matter how many times they insist it was friendship that carried them through, they're riding your coattails and doing jack shit along the way.

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>>166541131
>Isabeau and Flynn saving your sorry asses from Aniel
>Toki helping you break into Tsukiji Konganji
>Toki stepping up to help break the Tokugawa Mandala
>Gaston saving your sorry asses from prison
>Hallelujah saving your sorry asses from Azrael
>etc
Yeah...no

>>166508081
I searched for games similar to TWEWY and found DeSu.

>>166508081
>How did you guys get into SMT?

>2005
>some guy said Nocturne was a really hard rpg
>bought a ps2 and played it
>started on hard because I thought it would be fun
>played through the entire thing and went on to play every single SMT game I could find because the experience was unforgettable

Why is it so hard for games to be as good as SMT?

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>>166541316
A mix of problems that wouldn't have come up if you didn't carry around your dead weight, problems that you could've solved alone by virtue of being a walking corpse, and cutscene asspulls

Your friends are shit

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Why is Albion and his elemental gummies so cute

Dungeoncrawling is for autists.

>>166542523
video games are for autists.

>>166475842
I do. Those passives and buffs/debuffs they unlock last could come in handy in fusion.
And so I grind, not even because the game is hard, or because I want levels for the sake of it, but just because I don't want to feel like I'm fucking up my future demons by not unlocking full potential in fusion fodder.
And the low level demons barely give any exp and I don't wanna abuse the DLCs. Although I probably will, because the compendium summoning costs are outrageous.

>People actually want Mainline Battles to stay 2D.
What the fuck? Why?

>>166543429
Why not?

>>166543429
>battles
>2D
You mean the combat models, or rather sprites stay 2D? Right now the battles aren't even 1D.