/mbg/ - Mount & Blade General

Tried downloading AD1257 from moddb but chrome says it's a harmful file for some reason.

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>>166312668
>March 21st, 2015

>>166312431
B U I L D
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>>166312590
you should be downloading the one from the upstab pastebin anyway

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I'm posting this every thread to honour the anon's dying wish.

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I'm posting Cao Cao in honour of the poster who was posting in honour of the original Cao Cao poster until we get a good Romance of the three kingdoms mod.

>>166314298
that file name.
you fucked up, son.

>>166314298
disregard
>>166314451
i'm retarded

>>166312387
>>166312085
wouldn't demonic magni and jatu rekt you with huscarls or archers only? I feel like infantry is not enough to distract the enemy cavalry from rekting my archers because of how unpredictable it is where they will charge first so I use a lot of knights to do that, end up having more knights than archers and just say fuck it
and even with tons of archers I can't do jackshit against fierdsven lords

and on attacking sieges archers are shit too

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>>166312431
>2017 release

welp fuck you guys im out

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>>166314981
Two things about Demonic Magni minor faction parties:

1) You can ignore them barring sieges -- If they siege you they are fucked (or you are fucked) either way.

2) Fighting minor faction armies is more an issue of minimizing battle disadvantage or creating a counter-army.

Demonic Magni army is basically dead once you kill the vanguard. If you for example are a good mounted archer you can kill the Demonic Magni yourself with religious use of parthian shots and let your army wipe up everyone else.

Jatu can be defeated with good (and lucky) use of terrain and a 100% infantry army.

Trying to use a balanced army against a force like the Jatu is a mistake -- The archers will just be a liability once your lines are breached (and they WILL become breached unless terrain blesses you). 100% infantry blobs completely fuck them though without needing to waste prestige.

>>166315393
>(The commenter guy says it not the devs)

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>>166315593
I forgot to explain reasoning behind the image -- I actually can't find any images of me siegining in my old POP aside from this. But not I am late-game and still using Empire Crossbowmen. (They are cheaper and get the job done so why the fuck not).

POP isn't much different than Native when it comes to sieges and Rhodok Sharpshooters dominating sieges is not just a meme.

While I am using Immortals here this should illustrate how infantry blobs can destroy cavalry blobs.

>page 9

VG IS TOO ALIVE FOR THIS DEAD GENERAL

TOO
ALIVE

>>166317281
>page 9
Kill yourself my friend

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>4 ladders
>Low castle walls
can these even really be called defenses

Any problems with Hispania 1200 other than the troop trees?

oh fuck this shit, my left mouse button will die soon, I am back to playing VC I keep jumping from module to module after 800 hours there is not much left to do I NEED BANNERLORD GINGE

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>>166319970
forgot the pic, this is a third siege of this size in the last 30 in game days, the grind is unbearable

>>166317805
where is that? never seen that scene

>>166319375
the limited setting

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>>166320183
I can't recall 100% but I have been seeing it a few times in Eastern Germany. Suspect one of them was this castle.

With three factions attacking me ATM (thank goodness I fundamentally wiped the Emirate when I did) I am just creating a territory buffer from my actual assigned lands now.

>>166320183
>the limited setting
Not the one you're replying to, But I wonder how the game could have countered that.
Include the arabs maybe ? Or the franks.
I am planning a AD 1600 mod for Bannerlord and frankly I wonder how I could keep the factions diverse in that setting beyond swiss mercernaries and landsknecht...

>>166320183
When it comes to the siege defense grind -- Thats part of the reason I am creating a territory buffer.

Basically if they attack one of these buffer territories I don't give a shit because I didn't assign it to one of my lords anyways. I'll just conquer something else and recapture it later.

I hate all of you desu.

How am I supposed to clear a rebel hideout on 100% damage? It's 5 of my troops vs a full army.

multiplayer when

>>166323616
This varies wildly on mod. Namely in the quality of the bandits you are fighting versus how strong the player and companions can become. Mods with firearms can also be irritating when every random bandit gets handguns as well.

Another thing t note is that the number of spawns increases as you level. It is very possible for bandit camps start easy (with mercenaries typically) and become insufferable later on.

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>>166323616
order your 5 to follow you
move to each enemy clump
kill
go home and party with your denars and experience

>>166323616
>100% damage
just don't
the game wasn't designed to be realistic

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>>166324292
100% damage isn't really a big deal.

If you play at decreased damage you also have zero basis for analyzing anything due to playing on a different ruleset to everything else in Calradia / the mod.

>>166324446
what

>>166324446
100% damage means stray crossbow bold = you die
I get that people play it but I don't like it. A large reason I play M&B is the combat, not the trashy troop command tactics.
But why would I want to analyze anything?

>>166324829
nice meme

>>166324675
You cannot really analyze anything relating to weapon/armor logic since this is obviously different for you when you are fighting at decreased damage.

With damage to friends set lower you also have no basis for accurately analyzing the quality of any troops on a level playing field as well.

I'm not trying to be elitist when I state that analysis from anyone with decreased damage is useless. Damage logic is so fundamental to basic game play you may as well be talking about a different game.

>>166324829
>stray crossbow bolt
Use a shield and don't be an idiot? Positioning matters.

I don't mean to be the ultra-elitist here, but I don't even participate in battles.
Just command and pretend it's meaningful.

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>>166324829
>i like charging archer lines with nothing but my cock and a spear

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>>166324292
>>166324829

>>166325530
When you put it that way it's actually a lot of fun.

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>>166325530
>implying they are not one and the same

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>>166325812
>putting your cock at the mercy of archers for cheap thrills

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>>166326210
if we are talking about Gekokujo I am AOK with that

>>166325530
well yes I do
>>166325182
I'd rather spend my time playing the game rather than having my elite infantry fumble for a few minutes slashing up the enemy cav before slowly engaging the ranged units and leaving me with nothing to do
I guess if you play bow or footman with a freaking huge huscarl shield on your front and back then it's pretty ordinary, but fuck that I like to play Zhao Yun yolo mode

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>>166324292
>>>100% damage
>just don't

>>166326509
Archers can't accurately hit you on horseback so long as you don't ride directly at them.

Further they will typically (initially) ignore you while flanking, especially if you are flanking solo.

If you are an idiot that jumps into the middle of an archer line, dallies there, then complains after you get shot down that is all you.

What mods are best/most viable for playing a bandit?

>>166326902
VC

>>166326785
If you have 5 crossbowmen all aggroed on you then there's just no way of timing a charge without probably getting hit.
I'd rather take 1/3 of my health than have to sit out the fight.
If you like to play that way then fine, I don't.

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>>166326902
>raiding
>ever

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>>166327303
>every lord and their grandma is allowed to attack peasants and burn villages without repercussion
>but it's somehow bad if I do it without being sworn to some asshole

>>166327276
then use a shield you dummy

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>>166327276

>>166327406
you have to lower your shield to attack and you can get hit on the way out
the only thing that can one hit me is couched lances, which are easy to evade

Anyone do any of the regimental RP battle line stuff for Napoleonic Wars or North and South?

Kind of interested but not sure I want to dedicate actual time to the spergs who organize such things.

>>166315593
>If they siege you they are fucked
you won't get the loot if you defeat them in a siege

I think I can rek demonic magni with archery but they often get lost and until I find every single one they already fucked half of my band

>>166327276
If those 5 crossbowmen are you only potential targets you have likely already won. Just distracting them has value.

If they are close together the moment you get within melee range they will freak out and take out their melee weapons (making crossbow usage irrelevant)

If they are spread out then you can pick them off as you can just full charge them individually between reloads.

The only time you have lost in this scenario is the scenario where you cannot approach due to getting shot down on approach -- Which means you are riding towards them in a straight line. Stop that.

>>166327593
you know shields passively block projectiles right

>>166315861
nice
I thought immortals were more of a shock troop like gladiators or berserkers

>>166327443
>>166327664
Not that guy, but I'm pretty sure he meant 5 crossbowmen out of a larger contigent.

>>166327593
Shields actually block while couching and throwing Javelins. They sometimes also block projectiles while lowered or on your back.

>>166324292
>cheating

>>166323616
this >>166324242

use ranged weapons
get good gear on your companions
use elite troops

>>166327907
Thats why I started with
>If those 5 crossbowmen are you only potential targets you have likely already won. Just distracting them has value.

With the mobility of a horse you can choose your targets. If you MUST kill those 5 crossbowmen that implies that you basically already won the battle.

>>166327839
Immortals are basically Gladiators / Berserkers without shit armor and a cheaper upkeep. In theory Berserkers could work really well here as well. I wasn't terribly impressed with Gladiators the last time I played POP. They had 6 power strike, were not as fleet footed as Berserkers, and their weapon loadout was so random that I couldn't really use them for any specific task.

>>166327820
>>166327923
I know.
They don't passively block to your right (weapon arm) when using a spear, which is my weapon of choice.

>>166328458
then get a bigger shield, attack when they're reloading, and strafe
how is it that hard

>>166328202
>In theory Berserkers could work really well here as well.

>>166327276
you have autoblock turned on too right
>enemy has a few archers
>lose battle instantly

>>166328659
oops, forgot to add:

>>In theory Berserkers could work really well here as well.
>enemy has a few archers
>lose every battle

>>166328659
>In theory Berserkers could work really well here as well.
Against the Jatu yes. Jatu always charge and Berserkers are extremely efficient at killing things that get in melee range. Their vulnerability to eating ranged fire while advancing is irrelevant in this scenario. Their lack of armor isn't that big a deal for the bulk of the battle as any non-shield troop is going to die from a couched lance hit anyways.

The only thing in question is whether you can bog down the Jatu. With enough density thats not a problem.

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>>166326902
viking conquest
you can even raid churches

>>166329074
do you make your infantry blob stand ground and just wait to be trampled?

>>166327385
>implying that the player is the equal of some lowly lord
Such an attitude is not befitting a future Emperor

>>166328562
you can't time for reload if there's 5 crossbowmen all stagger hitscanning you
>>166328659
>you have autoblock turned on too right
no

I destroyed the Jatu with an army of Legionnaires, Armed Pikemen. F1 + Stand closer many times.

I ran around in a horse trying to lure Jatu retards before their initial charge to fuck up their lance attack.

Then F3 when they were stopped close and Jatu were rekt.

>>166329537
>horse archery

>>166329469
Make your infantry as dense as possible. Dismount any horses in front of them for added obstruction. Kill enemy riders and allow the dismounted horse to stop their momentum. Naturally try to position yourself in favorable terrain although your ability to do so is stunted with the Jatu's insistence on starting every battle via charge. Probably more that I cannot think of now.

The thing to note is that with enough Cavalry the horsemen will naturally block each other assuming they cannot charge through your line. With the Jatu's 100% cavalry army that is typically assured. Further the Jatu has a high emphasis on Lances that makes them a joke in a melee.

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>>166329370
>raid churches

>>166329841
nigga before I use all those troop commands the jatu will be already raping my face

>>166329537
>hitscanning
kek
you should look up what hitscan means
and yeah you can, use them to LoS each other
use terrain
use your brain

>>166329841

>Jatu has a high emphasis on Lances that makes them a joke in a melee.

This, there are only two moments when they are dangerous: in the initial charge and when the reinforcement waves come.

If you deal with that Jatu are shit.

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>>166330036
Proper horse usage is an art that you will master in time

So I like how Sands of Faith looks and how the overworld functions, but for some reason the battles feel lackluster. Anyone else able to explain this?

>>166328562
>strafe
>on a charging horse

>>166330261
>3
>f2
>f1 mouse click
>1
>f1
>f3
>f3
>f3

if I wanted to press buttons fast I'd be playing guitar hero

>>166330563
guitar hero is pretty rad tho

>>166330534
yeah that's what left and right are for

>>166330796
welp but thanks for the tip
I will try that

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>side with the Kingdom of Vaegirs
>massive war against Swadia faggots
>capture literally all their noble faggots
>get to capture literally Harlaus, the Butter Master, the Fat King
>go to a feast
>want to tell my Vaegirs King and my Noble buddies that I have Swadia in my hands, their whole court and King in my Dungeon
>no one cares
>not a single fuck given
>"why don't you find me some cows, anon?"

FUCK YOU RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Will Dickplomacy fix this?

>>166331416
vassals are not necessarily part of the court though

>>166331416
why should the king and vassals care about a slave doing their duty? know your place.

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Is there a working ENB for this game?

What's Dickplomacy all about?


I haven't played it in years.

I just want a upgraded Vanilla gameplay.

>>166332418

Yes

Dicking diplomacy

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>tfw playing M&B while relaxing in my house enjoying this beautiful summer
mount & blade is the comfiest game

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>>166333425

>Summer

Fucking Australians

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>>166333813
>/mbg/
>Australians

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>go to good christian spanish tavern
>townswoman inside wearing a hijab
REEEEEE MOORS GET OUT OF MY PENINSULA

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>>166334161
>tfw unironically like women in hijabs

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why do you cucks even bother with non-CKO knights

http://www.moddb.com/mods/medieval-conquests
Is there any point to playing this over AD1257?

>>166334959

I feel they are too OP and after a point battles become a joke.

>>166335069
no

>>166333425

This. I can play this shit for hours and just feel good.

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>France just conquered Kiev
France is maintaining some quality borders

There is no way I am going to be able to invade in this clusterfuck without antagonizing at least three nations over land disputes. Need to clear out my other fronts and destroy the minor factions before I start begin on this area.

So does battlesize rely more heavily on the GPU or CPU?

I've got a 1060 but struggle with frames at a size of 300, then again i haven't increased the clock yet. If the cpu is more important, then that's my problem since mine is only an i5 at 3.3ghz.

>>166336165
cpu

>>166336165
the game is almost entirely CPU dependant. overclocking won't make a huge difference though, once you go past 300 troops the engine simply won't be able to manage a constant 60 frames.

>>166336370
>>166336254
Well there's my problem.
Are there any graphics settings i can change to make a noticeable difference? I'll sacrifice graphics if i can maintain a higher battle size.

If not, the drop to 250 or 200 isn't a big deal anyway.

>>166336606
run the game in dx7 instead of dx9

>>166336370
>overclocking won't make a huge difference though
it should be noticeable nonetheless
single-threaded games love a good megahertz thrashing

>>166336606
also force single threading may or may not help you

>>166336903
I'll give that a shot and see if it helps, thanks.

>>166336370
>once you go past 300 troops the engine simply won't be able to manage a constant 60 frames.
nah you can but only in mods like native that don't have any sort of form AI and well optimized/plain environments

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>want to play a SOIAF mod

>CoK has only been getting worse and smaller because the dev is a high end cunt

>WOIAF is still in pre-pre-alpha

>>166338481

>CoK has only been getting worse and smaller because the dev is a high end cunt

I won't allow people trash talking Cozur on my watch.

>>166338931
go away cozur

Who is /mbg/'s favourite, Cozur or Saxondragon?

>>166338931
Stop making your mod bad.

>>166339167
Saxondragon for simply never implementing walk backwards and fall.

>>166339167
sir gabby

>>166339167
saxondragon's spergouts were more entertaining
cozur's just a cunt really

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>>166339834

>saxondragon's spergouts were more entertaining

Agreed, just look at this, it's sublime.

>>166340408
Do you have that one post where he shits on that one submod regarding something about ladders?

>>166340693
I think that might actually have been Mitch (PoP team member) but I'm not sure

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papa sanders bless /mbg/

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>Leave the general due to pursssonal issues leaving me no time for Mountan
>feel the call of butter again
>still no Banerlord but that's okay
LONG MAY HE REIGN

updated the PooP submod to 3.8.2

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>You will never have a pure steppe waifu

Why even live?

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>>166342453
If you are the original harlausfag, then welcome back, brother.
It's always good to have an old faggot back in this time of eternal wait.

>>166343036
I want to murder pure steppe waifus.

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>>166333425
>tfw we have the comfiest game and the comfiest general

>>166343016
Does is require a new game or can i throw it on top of my current one?

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>>166342453
There can be only one king

>>166343350
I am the true blue son of Harlaus, my friend, here to butterpost as I mock mountainniggers and figure out what my next campaign should be.
Honestly though a combination of getting sick as balls and ass-deep in expenses made me drop vidya about a month or so after we all latched onto that Might and Magic mod with the zyklon b liches

>>166343549
Fuck you, Ragnar

I will soon be upgrading PC in preparation for M&B2, how is AD1257? I remember I couldn't run it because map lagged too much

>play AD1257
>recruit lances
>like, 3 axe/spearmen and shitloads of archers and cavalry
wtf

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>>166343632
>figure out what my next campaign should be
Become one with the Mountain Blade.
Beat 1257AD

>>166343697
Ragnar?
More like Ragdumb

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>>166343549
SEA RAIDERS SWERVE, THIS IS A GENERAL FOR KINGS THAT AREN'T GINGER BASTARDS

>>166343549
Fuck off Ragnar.

>>166343697
Hey, fuck you, butterhead

>>166343545
should be save game compatible
only thing that won't change is the sling (firearm) proficiency on the three troops that have it but that's no big deal

>>166343772
Thinking sands of faith as a potential start-up as that was the last mod i was on prior, need to find the addition that makes all the armor not fucking crepe paper though.

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>>166343808
>>166343810

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>>166343972

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>/mbg/ is dominated by swagfags and rhocucks now
What happened to my Hakim (peace be upon him) and Ragnar (LMHR) niggas?

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>>166344269
>Hakim

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>pop 3.8 changed the faces from vanilla
>they look like absolute shit

>>166344349
>A DIZZYING BLOW

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>>166344349
>muh dos boolt

>>166344441
the only thing i can give you in reply is a tale of grand adventure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Crusade

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>>166344384
PoP faces have always looked like shit
The player face creation actually looked better to me in 3.8 compared to previous versions of PooP

>>166344269
>now
When I left this nation with nothing but the clothes on my back and thirty pounds of bog butter the only talk people ever had about sandniggers was whether or not they'd plow Arwa the Pearl Necklaced and the occasional Marmaduke vs. Knight debate

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>>166344269
>What happened to my Hakim (peace be upon him)

I never left, brother.

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>>166344601
Based Nords showing Swadfags how to crusade properly.

>>166344717
There we always proud followers of Sultan Hakim (peace be upon him) ready to denounce Arwa as a slave, witch and whore.

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Hey guys what's going on in this thr-

We can all agree that Khergits are the lowest filth, right?

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>>166345559
No
But Vaegirs are objectively the most forgotten

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>>166345559
Faggot nigger.

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>>166345559
of course

>>166345021
Peace be upon you

>>166345708
Vaegirs don't really stand out enough, to be honest.
I do like some of the armor designs though.

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>>166334612
but that is a good thing anon!

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>>166340693

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>>166343353
Why murder when you can rape?

>>166347021
I'm impotent

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>>166347287
Then have her raped and you can watch while enjoying a nice drink of your choice.

>>166347021
>>166347386
neck urself m8

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>>166347287
>I'm impotent

>>166347431
Your waifu is a worthless slut man. I'm sorry.

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>>166347431
ur a fag

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Bannerlord when pls

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I thought it was a meme, but they do fucking go all the way just to raid your highly prosperous village

What's the best Module to go on crusades?

DEUS VULT

>>166347021
Why would I want to touch that disgusting sick cunt?

She probably smells like horse shit.

>>166348815 see >>166347386

>>166348815
better to go with floris arwa tits mcgee the pearled one.

>>166348908
Again, why would I force that on when of my men?

Anyone who would willingly touch that disgusting piece of ass is not worth keeping in my company tbqh.

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>>166349005
This anon gets it. Sometimes your horse is the best companion you can have.

A true man wouldn't let is friend/horse/senator fuck a nasty slut.

>>166349496
>Sometimes your horse is the best companion you can have.

Uh oh...

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>>166349559
>is not worth keeping in my company tbqh.
He considers his horses to be his companions.

Sometimes they are also senators.

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>khergits in charge of not running onto pikes

>>166348290
I believe Lords with negative relations will go out of their way to attack your fiefs.

One perk of keeping a bunch of unassigned 100 locked Upstanding / Good-Natured lords is that they will hang around your capital and swarm anyone that dares try to raid your villages though.

If you assign yourself only towns its essentially a non-issue as well of course. Be certain to have a lord assigned to the fief so that they will actively protect it of course.

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>>166350585
>Three little khergit boys (ages 8-14) bullied hard by big rhodok pike.webm

>>166350724
I think it might have to do with how 'strong' the player is as well. Like maybe your renown or something. At least I've noticed that the AI targeting seems to wear off.

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>>166350791
say that to my face not on /mbg/ khergit

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Can someone make a bannerlord mod?

>>166351720
You know I'm kind of surprised this isn't already a thing.

Can I get some mod recommendations? I played AD 1257 and Gekokujo years ago. I downloaded Prophesy of Pendor earlier today but it seemed pretty difficult the little I played.

>>166349496
>>166350075
caligula was shit

>>166351720
There is a mod about the fall of the Calradian Empire. Does that count?

>>166351720
play that last breath of the calradian empire

>>166352313
>>166352315
Can I be a Battanian with shit smeared weapons?

>>166352130
I like PoP but it's basically meant to be a "fuck you" grindy difficult mod so if that's not what you're into you should probably look into something else. Maybe try Swedish Mayo.

>>166352361
No because Battanians aren't in that mod and Battanians don't use shit smeared weapons.

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>>166352361
no wait till maggot hosts the server again

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>>166352434
>and Battanians don't use shit smeared weapons.
t. wiccan battanian

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>>166350724
>One perk of keeping a bunch of unassigned 100 locked Upstanding / Good-Natured lords is that they will hang around your capital and swarm anyone that dares try to raid your villages though.
Why nobody told me this?

>>166352484
No one uses shit smeared weapons. Shit weapons aren't going to be in Bannerlord. Because Bannerlord is not gonna be released.

>>166352672
t. kagos

>>166352434
Sure they don't.

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>>166352191
Away with you vile beggar!

If you are talking about the movie though you're right

>>166352672
There will be when I mod them in after bannerlord comes out

>>166352481
do not bully the fassive maggot

>>166351981
http://www.moddb.com/games/mount-blade-ii-bannerlord/mods

>>166353162
Those are mods for Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord.

He was asking for mods that changed Mount & Blade: Warband to the Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord setting.

>>166352509
Well, all unassigned lords will hang around the sovereigns capital waiting to be assigned a fief. The trustworthy / good-willed ones will just do so indefinitely since they never lose relations (once locked at 100).

>>166352481
>three sword banner
asking for it

Trying to play warsword but no chaos lords are hiring my chaos dude. I just want mercenary money.

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>be tiny band of 50 jews setting up shops and trade posts all over the known world in AD 1257
>suddenly see two 450 man serbian peasant rebel stacks approaching me
>to get to hungary I will have to go through at least one of these
>stop at Poson to recruit a mercenary company of cumans, plus some cuman lancers at the tavern, all cavalry
>jump into battle with these filthy peasants
>kill off their cavalry while taking some light losses
>order the cumans to charge into the incoming sea of infantry
>they shitfuck 2/3rds of the enemy infantry, but most of the cumans die or get knocked unconscious in the process
>the remaining infantry (around 100 dudes) get massacred by my own spearmen and arbalests
I'll never forget you, glorious cumans, you saved my ass today. ;-;7

Sup niggers, newfag here, how do I heal?

>>166355782
pass time in the world map and you will heal automatically

you can speed up healing with skills

>>166355782
Pump up INT for either yourself of a companion and grab some healing skills like first aid and wound treatment.

are yokai just worthless in gekokujo?

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>>166356517
Pretty much. I was going to give them a full troop tree but ended up losing interest before I could finish them.

Oni and battle-miko troops never even made it in.

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>>166356593
RIP in peace bonebros

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>Create a ladder so narrow that the defenders can get stuck on each other or the terrain (?)
why is 1257AD so remarkably retarded with so many of it's siege scenes

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>>166356760
Invaders rather.

Thankfully the reinforcements take forever to reinforce and I was able to create an opening by jumping along the top of the wall with my character.

>>166346859
I dont understand. the submod with ladders didn't steal time, and Saxondragon was under no obligation to make sure that it remains compatible with later versions of PooP. Is he mad at fans for asking him questions about the submod or is he mad about his line of thought that adding in more ladders invalidated all the work put into making that siege map?

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>>166356593
I put George's clothing in the warehouse and Honma equipped it and gave me his armor with some fish.

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What should I know going into AD1257 if I want to join England?

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>>166357360
Don't forget Skelly-tan.

>>166357236
rest of the scene works fine it's just that part
iirc if you F1 them somewhere into the castle they might path better

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How do I get an actually good infantry/melee experience? Everything about it is just laughably shit.
>athletics is completely worthless because even at max the backpedal speed prevents you from kiting anything, spear kiting simply doesn't exist even though it is an actual historical fighting style
>meanwhile even with 1 riding you can just walk away from any melee threat and fill their face with arrows
>also no melee headshots because fuck you
>same goes for ranged threats, you get to just strafe while shitting on things while on foot you *only* get to face forward and *only* get to move at full speed forward
>can't disengage worth a shit ever while riding lets you disengage from everything in the game, including other cavalry
>none of the infantry-only weapons are good enough to make even considering being infantry a viable idea

If I could I would turn off all the strafing/backpedal and encumbrance speed penalties and it would still be significantly worse than being even a mid-tier horseman.

>>166357460
otp

>>166357471
>also no melee headshots because fuck you
u wot m8

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>>166357471
>>athletics is completely worthless because even at max the backpedal speed prevents you from kiting anything
lol
>>also no melee headshots because fuck you
what
people take more damage for being hit in the head, less in the legs, and normal in the body
>>none of the infantry-only weapons are good enough to make even considering being infantry a viable idea
stop playing native

>>166357756
Which mod is that, and are those high-tier troops? I'm playing Gekonew and you get off maybe one hit before anyone catches up to you even at a ~5 athletics level difference. Also everyone has fucking pikes.

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>1257 AD
>before going into tournaments take all weapons from companions
>companions are 5 out of 7 enemies

>>166357471
going 2h with a maul and maxed athletics is madman mode

>>166357908
VC
>and are those high-tier troops?
arena so it's a mixed bag
haven't got any athletics either

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>>166357471
as expected of a tokyo ghoul fan
you play on quarter damage too don't you?

>>166357992
>arena
Basically the only time combat builds are viable, honestly.

>>166358130
not really, you're playing geko too so there's no shields or formAI
native AI is dumb as shit in combat

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>>166357471
If you are fixated on just being the most effective duelist possible then nothing matches mounted archery. This is not a deficiency of infantry play. NOTHING matches mounted archery. Especially with power draw 10 where shields get blown up and horse headshots become extremely efficient.

What does infantry melee have over any other fighting style? Killing efficiency. Nothing can kill troops as efficiently as melee infantry. Especially if/once you have OHKO capability. And especially since you do not have to worry about friendly fire unlike an type of archer.

As for infantry only weapons; or weapons that may as well be infantry only, the Poleaxe is great. War hammer is also a great weapon if you have low power strike and need a knight cracker.

>>166357756
spears are fun in melee
too bad there's so little variety in most mods

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>>166358410
play more mods

>>166358241
>If you are fixated on just being the most effective duelist possible then nothing matches mounted archery. This is not a deficiency of infantry play. NOTHING matches mounted archery. Especially with power draw 10 where shields get blown up and horse headshots become extremely efficient.
t. kangus khan

>>166358241
>duelist
I don't know if that's the correct term. A horse archer character easily "duels" small armies to death. Infantry is the one that gets fucked when they're outnumbered, due vastly inferior mobility.

If anything the cleave mechanic they're putting in bannerlord seems like a pretty blatant attempt to make infantry play less crippled against crowds.

>>166357992
Your 0 athletics character is backpedaling faster than my 7 athletics 21 AGI character.

>>166358797
VC has a setting on called can_run_faster_with_skills in the module.ini which makes everyone move faster on foot
i've since turned it off

>>166358918
So you're saying the webm doesn't reflect normal gameplay whatsoever.

>>166358978
except that affects everybody
you know you can turn it on in whatever mod you want right

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>>166358721
While mounted archers can strafe armies to death it tends to be an extremely slow process. One that likely involved a few friendly deaths if you were firing into an ongoing melee.

Killing efficiency matters in collaboration as it alleviates pressure from your troops.

Most importantly it is also ___________fun___________.

I actually find mounted archery pretty boring unless it is a mounted battle. If I play a mounted archer chances are the enemy cavalry force is dead before our forces engage thanks to horse headshots (as in killing the horses).

>>166359037
It doesn't appear that way. You're backpedaling at the same speed the enemies are running at you, to the point where you're going forward (which would be suicidal in army fights) to poke at them.

Then again they're Fighters, literally tutorial-tier enemies, so maybe they're just that damn slow.

Bannerlord.

>>166359250
>It doesn't appear that way.
it's a module.ini setting, it affects everyone
not to mention readying an attack slows you down, like i said the native AI is dumb as shit since all you have to do is feint once and you've got em
shouldn't ever have trouble fighting the AI unless you have brainybots on
>literally tutorial-tier enemies
fighters have no skills but they have as high proficiency as top tier native troops

>>166359302
canceled

>>166359532
>no skills
IE no athletics, meaning they're slow as shit.
>top tier native troops
Which are low tier compared to the troops of most mods.

As far as the setting itself, it seems gekonew has it on by default.

>>166357471
so did you think m&b is a hack&slash and you could be guts if you grinded enough?

>>166359786
>IE no athletics
i told you before, i didn't have any either
>Which are low tier compared to the troops of most mods.
just saying that doesn't make them tutorial enemies considering how proficiency works

>>166359851
I didn't expect dynasty warriors or anything, but if they're going to put memes like halfswording in they could at least attempt to enable accurate spear fighting.

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>>166344441
oh yeah?

>>166359889
>i told you before, i didn't have any either
Yes, which is why if you were fighting any of the enemies talking about you'd get overrun in an instant.

>that doesn't make them tutorial enemies
I called them tutorial enemies because they're the enemies you fight in the training grounds.

>>166359952
accurate spear fighting does not and cannot exist in video games without heavy automation

>>166359952
are you the guy who plays at 1/3 of damage?

>>166359952
M&B doesn't have sword meming though

>>166360036
>which is why if you were fighting any of the enemies talking about you'd get overrun in an instant.
do you expect to be rambo being able to 1v100 everything on the field on foot or something

>>166344441
Check it out niggas, we got a wiki warrior over here

>>166360039
>make stabbing polearm attacks always stagger unless blocked with a shield
>add very quick, low damage stab attack option for spacing control
>make backpedal speed not complete shit, especially with athletics levels
>add directional attacks as infantry

The last one is the only thing that isn't a simple change in variables, and it's arguably not necessary for 1v1 spear fighting.

>>166360190
No, but I do expect you to hold a conversation without resorting to shitty strawmen.

>>166360391
>>make stabbing polearm attacks always stagger unless blocked with a shield
hitstun
>>add very quick, low damage stab attack option for spacing control
it's called thrusting
or sideswings
>>add directional attacks as infantry
you mean up and down
>The last one is the only thing that isn't a simple change in variables
protip, the only one of those that's as simple as "changing variables" is changing backpedal speed

>>166360391
wow so accurate, let's buff damage as well for a historical experience
spear fighters adapt their grip on the fly in response to enemy movement, a very small amount of force and time is needed to change target from head to groin or from three paces to one pace.

>>166360391
1v1 spearfighting is specifically something that can't be emulated just by endless rounds of retarded slow idendical stabbing, unlike formation spear fighting.

>>166360538
>trying to correct me without even understanding what you're correcting
You need to take a break.

>>166360714
just correcting someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about

>>166360559
Most games account for that by simply allowing spears to hit anywhere within their range with little to no penalty. It's at least closer to reality than M&B treating anything with over 150 range as a pike. You can already change your attack target neigh-instantaneously because of mouse control.

>>166360605
Nothing can be emulated perfectly, my point is that infantry being the dogshit that it is in native doesn't even correspond with realism.

>>166360949
> than M&B treating anything with over 150 range as a pike
???

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>>166360949
GAME IS FINE
YOU GO BACK TO SHIT GAMES LIKE CHIVALRY NOW

>>166360559
sword fighting is also 100 times faster than the sword fighting in m&b
what is your point

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Well this is just pathetic.
Come on, Vaegirs, I know you're irrelevant but you're better than this.

>>166361510
my point is hafted weapons are infinitely more complicated to portray than swords, speed doesn't really matter in this case and I think with a little engine and mechanical refinement m&b swordfights could be extraordinarily fluid and engaging, which isn't the case with spears

>>166360391
>add directional attacks as infantry
what did he mean by this

>>166361462
>getting this mad about opinions on the internet

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>>166361971
>being a casul

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>>166361971
>he doesn't recognize ebin /k/ memes when he sees them

>>166361940
Add twisting, basically. Right now if you're on foot you have no choice but to attack in the direction you're walking, unless you're using crippled side/backstep.

>>166362043
have fun getting your side torn the fuck up

>>166362043
>Right now if you're on foot you have no choice but to attack in the direction you're walking
what
you know you control attack direction with mouse movement right

>>166362043
>Right now if you're on foot you have no choice but to attack in the direction you're walking
are you trying to bait me or are you actually an unfortunate victim of a severe case of retardation

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>>166362023
>/k/

>>166362023
Ending a discussion with a meme is usually (though not necessarily) a sign of butthurt. See: greentext reaction image responses.

>>166361462
chivalry is good though

>>166362240
delete this and get off /mbg/ right now scum

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>>166362123
Tell me how you attack the circled enemy without deviating your running path.

>>166361810
maybe make the footwork more realistic so the character doesn't cross his feet when walking backwards/adding a double tap movement

but anyway if you stop to think about it m&b tries to be both a hack and slash and strategy game but sucks at both

>>166362369
if it's native i wait till the retard comes close to me and feint once and them stab him because native combat AI is braindead

>>166362369
why are you trying to run straight ahead instead of fighting the enemy
>>166362386
why are you here

>>166362369
bear NE, hold w+a, use weapon upon approach

pretty bad tactic 2bh

>>166362437
i still rather have both than only one of those things

>>166362513
if you think m&b combat is bad you don't know anything about how it works desu senpai

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>>166362369
great idea senpai

>>166362369
>wanting to get sidestepped
In a real fight there's hardly anything stupider you could possibly do

>>166362425
>>166362437
Just think of any ingame reason why it might be optimal to do so. If you're having trouble, think about the times you did it as cavalry.

>>166362481
Diagonal movement slows you down.

>>166362635
>Diagonal movement slows you down

whats your point?

>>166362586
>blocking and attacking at the same time
What game are we talking about again?

>>166362635
give me a few minutes so i can come back and call you a faggot properly

>>166362693
>can't chamber
lol

>>166362679
Executing that attack in reality doesn't take slowing into a shitty sidestep, and that's a problem.

If you don't like the spear example then assume he's using a bow from a long distance instead.
>inb4 "nobody shoots arrows while running"

>>166362693
the point is you are now not in a position to neither block a thrust nor thrust a spear in relation to the enemy and you're getting a dicking to the ribs

>>166362787
then use the sideswings on the spear or feint
play MP for once fuck
>>166362782
your example doesn't work because the AI will advance on you anyway unless they're far enough to shoot, and then when you close the distance they swap to melee and advance

>>166362787
The drawing was demonstrating a mechanical limitation, not an attacking technique, you autist.

>>166362586
This is why there's no left-handedness in Warband. It would be too OP.

>>166362862
why would you want to add a mechanic that is only good for spreading your asshole? maybe I could see your point if you were playing an anime character and could *run really fast beside you* but this mechanic is fucking shit and doesn't work

>>166362843
MP is a completely different game where you're dealing with sparse laggy and error-filled human enemy players rather than being zerged by mindless zombies. Slowing down your movement doesn't matter nearly as much in MP as a result.

>>166363014
>than being zerged by mindless zombies
are you that guy who plays MP, goes in alone against 5 people and complains that you got 1v5'd
>Slowing down your movement doesn't matter nearly as much in MP as a result.
and it doesn't matter at all in SP because the AI is as bad as the worst MP players

>>166362538
how does it work then you lil cunt

>>166362939
>maybe I could see your point if you were playing an anime character and could *run really fast beside you*
The only time this would actually happen in an anime is if the spear user in question was so fast it didn't matter i.e. it's a level 20 fighting a level 1.

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>>166362939
Maybe because the mechanic already exists and is the most broken thing in the game you shitter.

>>166363265
I already know that faggot, the example was with a spear and it only works with bows because it can't work with melee, that would just be retarded

>shields block melee attacks passively
>higher levels of shield skill improves attack animation so you attack with your shield raised instead of increasing shield resistance

y/n

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>>166363352
>it can't work with melee, that would just be retarded
What did he mean by this?

>>166363508
n kys

>>166363508
no
make shield bash actually viable and make shield make that more effective

>>166363451
Is this the "spinning" I hear about so much?

>>166363451
why does he move the mouse around to attack

>>166363536
why not both
and make polearms able to attack over raised shields depending on the direction

>>166363615
>why does he move the mouse around to attack
to attack at close range with a spear because of how hard native gimps polearms
>why not both
because passive block from melee is fucking stupid in M&B

>>166363615
>why does he move the mouse around to attack
Because he's glitching the engine

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>>166363596
no
that's just how you work around thrusts being bad at close range

spinning is a really good trick in NW though :^^^)
>>166363664
epic

>>166363646
oooo so that's why i get zero damage when I stab with them

>>166363646
isn't the game goal to be somewhat realistic?
It's just stupid how much attacking a raised shield staggers you so much, that's what makes shields unfun

>>166363760
Not to mention shields are literally playing with autoblock on.

>>166363760
>oooo so that's why i get zero damage when I stab with them
in native it is
since by default spears are heavily penalized as follows:
thrust speed in actions is slow
spears of 150+ reach have the penalty with shield flag which reduces damage/speed by something like 30%
you only have one direction to attack
spears do meh damage in native anyway
>isn't the game goal to be somewhat realistic?
no
>It's just stupid how much attacking a raised shield staggers you so much
that's just hitstun

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>try to turn the enemies shields around so """""""friendly""""""" archers can get a clear shot