/twg/ - Total War General

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IF OUR DAIMYO IS TO BECOME SHOGUN

MILITARY RULER OF ALL JAPAN

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My general chose the perfect location to battle the enemy

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>>166285427

>>166285584
Total War hasn't had decent battle maps since Napoleon

>>166285721
They did a good job with a lot of the custom maps in TWW.

The random maps(and every map) could be bigger though.

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>>166285721
Napoleon is the only tw title that actually had nice maps, all the other games before and after have trash ma[s

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>>166285894

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ROME

>>166285894
>They did a good job with a lot of the custom maps in TWW.
Yes, they are cool as fuck, if only the interesting parts were IN the map and not outside the bounds

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>>166286028

what faction should I do a horde campaign with in attila

not the white huns

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>>166285427

I was surprised to find that thing actually had rules in an 8th edition supplement.
>5 organ guns
>racks of bombs

>>166286696
alamans

>>166286696
tanooks

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>>166286787

this is also a thing from the time of legends section. it actually has a model too buts it forgeworld and i dont know if they're allowed to use that sort of stuff in tw

>>166286912
their 'food only from settlement battles' mechanic makes me... not want to play them

>>166287115
its pretty easy desu, it actually makes it easier to roll out extremely strong stacks as you don't have to build food shit

>>166287197
yeah but I plan on never settling

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>>166286696

Vandals for sacking goodness

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Delicious downhill charge

>>166287021
It feels like CA would add that just for the LotR factor. Would be a neat "addition" to the marauders.

>>166287315
yeah, thats how I played them too

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>>166286489
>Oh man this map looks coo-
>annnnnnd its just a blank map with a good background

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This is fine

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Playing Seleucids here

Are Eastern buildings like stable, or satrap palace really worth building? worth building

>>166287773

Because CA knows the AI would shit the bed hard on any map that wasn't an empty square. That's how bad it's gotten, they have to keep stripping away features because fuck making the AI competent in any capacity.

Why do you think they neutered sieges?

>>166287958
Yeah I know, If I see a siege with more men than me I just go "welp time to cheese the AI".

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>>166287892

>>166288318
Why? That makes it even more boring. Why not do a proper siege assault? It's not that hard. Just don't use ladders.

What mods do you guys have installed for whatever TW you're currently playing?

Playing:
>Warhammer
Mods:
>Quest items unlock instantly
>AI Heroes can't assassinate lords

Quest battles and their prerequisites suck especially after you've already played them.

>playing Volkmar
>unlock quest chain for his staff
>have to go to war and sack two Kislev settlements

Fuck off, that's idiotic.

>>166287773
>blank map

A lot of the custom maps have strategic locations though. Like big hills or small pathways. You want them to put a big castle in the middle of a normal battle map?

>>166288710
I use better AI recruitment mods if they are available. I use some reskins if they look way better and more realistic than vanilla.

>>166288759

Not him, but no I want maps with ruined villages in the middle of them, or bridge maps or river crossings or anything other than GRASS/FLAT GRASS/HILLS TREES/HILLS SNOW/TREES.

>>166288908
>ruined villages in the middle of them

That doesn't really add that much when you just fight around them. There are some custom maps and random maps with buildings in the middle of the map. In Shogun 2 also.

>bridge maps or river crossings

Yeah, that's definitely something they should add to random maps. Some custom maps have rivers though.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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>>166288710
Playing Medieval 2 with the Deus lo Vult v6.3 mod installed
Pretty relaxing experience
Sadly the AI starts with full stack garrisons from turn 0/1

If I make peace with a faction I have a grudge with, does it get aborted or does it remain stuck in my ass forever?

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>Stacking academies in every province capital
>Mfw all technologies researched by year 440

>>166289849
I miss that unit flashing feature so much

>all those PAVEES CROSSBOMEN

yeah you're actually cancer

>>166287021
Any download links for 8th edition forge world rules?.

>>166290312
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!wcIWUIBQ
(courtesy of /tg/)

Fantasy / Forge World / Monstrous Arcanum

>>166290523
Thank you anon, you're a good man.

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>>166290272
Thanks
But I dont have much choice in what I can recruit in terms of unit variety
All I can recruit are these Crossbowmen and Italian Town Militia
That one unit of cav I got is the one I started with and only now I can recruit Templar units thanks to the chapter house event
I cant even get any decent Mercenaries

>>166290272
>I miss that unit flashing feature so much
??? it's in all the new games too

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Have there ever been a case of dwarfs fighting dwarfs in warhammer lore?

>>166290801
They have internal disputes that's for sure. MUH CLAN HONOUR

>>166290904
sure sure, but actual war or fighting ever? Because if not, that shouldve been a feature of their campaign

>>166290748
it doesn't work anywhere near as well, I never bother using it

>>166290801

Small clashes over muh grudges but never an all out war

Is there any chance that Nippon or Cathy will feature in future games in total war warhammer?
If so how would you imagine their rosters would look like?
I know Nippon is basically Samurai and you could copy paste an army from Shogun total war in with a few mystical stuff from Japanese legend but what would they do for Cathy?

>>166290801
Sure, they're just not big wars. Basically there might be battles here and there over grudges and shit, but never something big enough to record in history books (unless the Book of Grudges counts as history).

Basically, they fight enough that tabletop player could justify doing a dwarf vs dwarf battle but not enough to change the lore in any meaningful way.

>>166291647
1.) Very small considering there was never an official release of any of those factions. Very little is written about them aside from some side shit for Skaven/Nippon and Grimgor wrecking Cathay in the end times for some reason

2.) A lot of OC based on their appropriate folklore, there are fan-made books for those factions, I'm not familiar with whats in them

3.) There is a lot of creative freedom aside from Samurai and Ronin for Nippon

>>166291647
Very unlikely since they haven't ever had models or rules for them, and nippon/cathay are outside the scope of the map even with expansions.
The only non main faction I could see possibly getting an army is Kislev, because they're in the old world and in a pretty active region of it, and have enough background that it would be possible to make an army out what's there.

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Here is a question for you, Frenk.
If god, as you say, is the father of Isa and wills you to take Jerusalem. Then why did you lose it?

Someone recommend me Attila mods that aren't FotE and Europa Perdita.

>Facing three stacks of norsca with one of mine on the Underway.
>They're a lot but I have a lot of elite troops so I'm sure I can win if I set a good defensive position.
>It's the map for the Thundering Falls, so I set up on the hill on my side of the map.
>Alright, this looks goo- wait.
>One of the stacks is going to deploy right behind me.

What is this BULLSHIT. They didn't even surround me in the campaign map, they were all coming from the same direction.

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Post turks removal

>>166291647

It's pretty safe to say that no, Cathay/Ind/Nippon/South Landers et al. wont be included under any circumstances. They have no models, no rules and barely if any substantial lore written about them. They exist as lazy map padding from GW.

There are some fan (read: garbage) rule books for them that are cringy as you might expect. But yeah, ain't ever gonna happen. We'll be lucky if we get Kislev or a Southern Realm faction playable. And they actually have models and lore.

>>166292851
When did Epirus become Turk?

>>166292819
all unreleased, just get the AoC political terms something something mod and thats it

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>>166292851
>Shitting on Epirus


Fuck you.

>>166292851
Every screen I see a screen of this mod units have ridiculous kill counts with little damage done to them. This one not even being close to some others posted here.

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So CA wrote a status blog back in December and said that after the Old World Edition dropped they were going to start work on sequel DLC, specifically the hilariously euphemistic "EARLY ADOPTER BONUS". They've acknowledged before that Warriors of Chaos was a fuck up on their part and they say they'll do better next time.

What does doing better look like to you?

>>166291034
Being a TT game every faction has reasons to fight one another.

>>166293417
Preorder bonus probably won't be a big faction and will be something like dogs of war or an army painter

>>166293352
DeI is incredibly easy, I am not even sure why, its partially due to AI not knowing how to flank with archers and thus dealing no damage with them, but that can't be all of it

also its the morale system they use

>>166293417
link

>>166293417
>HOW DARE CA GIVE PEOPLE WHO BUY THE GAME AT FULL PRICE AT RELEASE WHEN IT MATTERS A BONUS!!!

I bet you're the type of scum that buys games on sales and still have the nerve to complain.

>>166293557
It's because infantry do no damage and end up being a punching bag for your cavalry. It astounds me that /twg/ can pan radious for being too easy and then go on to praise DEI.

>>166292819

Age of Vikings

>>166293538
>dogs of war

Two problems with this. The first being Dogs of War were removed after 6th ED, so they don't exist anymore. And second fuck mercenaries.

And if we can't get Avatar Conquest I seriously doubt we'll ever see an army painter.

>>166293591
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/189143/what-the-total-war-teams-are-working-on-updated-16th-december-2016

>On the future side, there’s a lot of discussions being had and scheduling being done around our plans for the second WARHAMMER game’s DLC, Free-LC and not to mention the early-adopter bonus, which will be one of the next things the team moves on to as we get into next year.

>>166293627
Wat

I just find the nomenclature funny. EARLY ADOPTER BONUS sounds like market tested nu-speak, just call it what it is, Pre-Order DLC.

>>166294140
We might be getting avatar conquest in the next game. I know it's fashionable to be cynical but there hasn't been too much indication either way of what CA will put in the next game aside from 4 more races plus map expansion.

>>166294371
Calling it preorder dlc would be a misnomer, as you can get it without ever preordering.

>>166294371
Early adopter could very well mean you still get it if you buy it early (duh), like woc, so you still have time to check ebin steam reviews

>>166293417
Getting chaos for free during the week after release was good enough. Enough time to do research on the game before buying without losing any bonuses.

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Post screenshots that you have taken that you like

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>>166294972

>>166294371
>https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/189143/what-the-total-war-teams-are-working-on-updated-16th-december-2016

Wait wait, now I'm confused. Wasn't there a Polish article floating around a while back about how the sequel was getting pushed back to 2018? Why would they already be starting on pre-order shit if the game is still a year or so out?

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>>166294972

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>be greek living in syria
>rulers are at war with aethiopian hordes
>sucks because you make a living trading with them
>local garrison commander says he needs every able bodied man ready to fight in case the town is attacked
>you are a simple potter but know how to use a knife
>one day it happens, the aethiopians are spotted outside the city
>idiot garrison commander decides to sally forth and set up a small amount of defences
>line up against enemy army, thousands of angry nubians black as night are screaming and pounding their shields
>garrison commander tells everyone to charge
>as you run forward, some of the men next to you fall into the spike traps intended for the enemy
>you are forced to keep running as you watch a 6 foot long sharpened stake impale your neighbor
>you are are vomiting up your lunch as a swarm of arrows takes out most of the men in your unit
>somehow you survived, and are still running towards the enemy
>you are almost at the enemy lines when 300 javelins are simultaneously loosed in your general direction
>the last thing you see is your fellow citizens running in the opposite direction before a javelin impales itself in-between your shoulders

war is hell

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>>166294972

>>166295042
strapping a living creature to an artillery projectile would add worthless weight and fuck its already abysmal aerodynamics thus reducing its range without any tangible benefits.

>>166295325
>Not just walking it off

See >>166288504

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>>166294972

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>>166295435
worth it tbqh

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Thats alot of ransom money

How should I skill Karl?

>>166295325
During that period every greek has a duty to serve in the military in some form.

>>166295472
>fantasy vs history

also

>some mushroom midget's poorly crafted arrow
vs
>a 4ft long iron tipped javelin thrown by a 6'7" african

:^)

Where's that fucking troglodyte fuck that doesn't like Empire TW battles?

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>>166294972

>>166295549
>Watching Durthu solo the Ever-watcher
Fucking magical, m8.

>>166295829
>>fantasy vs history

I wasn't going for that, but whatever.

>>166295839
What so good about them? The AI units just does whatever they want and the unit responsiveness is the worst.

>>166295748
do you think burning ungors smell like burnt flesh or cooked steak?

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>>166295748
UNGORS GONE WILD

>>166295839
what is there to like about them

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>>166295957

>>166296031
>AI sucks
That's true for every Total War.
But every once in a while you'd get a magical battle where there'd be actual combat phases, from bombardment, to shooting, to a finishing bayonet charge. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling that I can't get from any other total war. Usually it's just "send x unit to attack x unit, hammer anvil, repeat"

>>166295829
Bows can launch their projectile at much higher speeds and distance than the strongest hand thrown javelins. The only advantage javelins have is their weight and thus kinetic energy upon impact. The greeks had to use an accessory in order to make their javelins pierce shields and armor.

>>166296310
>That's true for every Total War.

Empire has the worst AI. It doesn't even try to move in formations.

>But every once in a while you'd get a magical battle where there'd be actual combat phases, from bombardment, to shooting, to a finishing bayonet charge. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling that I can't get from any other total war.


You can get that in Napoleon or FOTS which aren't as buggy and has way better unit responsiveness.

Empire never got the patches it needed, but I am not even sure if that would have saved it.

>>166296362

Is a raised Dwarf skeleton slower than a raised Human skeleton?

>>166296469
>FOTS
>JAPS JAPPING JAPS FOR JAPS
No fun.
Napoleon is cool, but it didn't have the scope of empire. I love mowing down haji in droves while they run

>>166296591

It's very good at sprinting

Anvil of doom is pimp

>>166296310
What an retarded argument. I could say the same exact thing for traditional total war games. Having to endure shit battles and broken mechanics 99% of the time for that one battle that isn't completely shit is hardly appealing to anyone.

>>166296609
Some take gameplay over setting, like me.


Setting is important for a lot of total war players so taking that over gameplay is fine too.

I just can't stand the state of Empire really.

>>166296875
It's the only reason any of us play, seeing as we constantly have to battle broken AI and buggy units no matter what TW you play. So you're retarded.

>>166295325
You're putting your pussified 21st century mindset into someone who's born into a society where wars and death are a common occurrence and likely willingly conscripted.

>>166297078
>i have never played TWW

Toaster couldn't handle it, I presume?

>>166296591
One has its muscles still intact and the other has nothing to even move its joints so obviously the dwarf would be faster.

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>>166297314

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Thoughts?

>>166297078
The thing is, Empire is on steroids when it comes to that. That's why some people don't like it.

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>>166297624
>oh no people die this is terrible #warishell

>>166297657
Empire always gets the business from Chaos. Its also really hard to support them in time being a dwarf race.

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Done with the Kangs. Anyone got the AoC roll chart?

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>>166297657
Reeeee

>>166297797
>pfft... death and slaughter don't phase me.... I'm not like the other weaklings of my time...

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>>166292851

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The famed egyptian "invisible militia"

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>>166298046
>i am a good person because I cry about pixel people dying in fictional wars I created

>>166298254
Maybe it's a joke about "native citizens" in Egypt.

>>166298254
Well, it does say they are "lightly equipped"

>>166297657
Dude, get your grudges in order

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>>166297863
Found it myself. Rollan.

>>166290801
Gotrek became slayer because he killed another Dwarf. Kinslaying is the ultimate grudge.

>>166298265
>i get upset by people coming up with backstories for interesting screenshots posted on a subsection of a neo-sogdian video gaming bulletin board

>tfw can't play beastmen without getting a boner

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>>166288710
Playing Warhammer.

Only using a 'No Regiments of Renown' mod. Fucking RoR spam, fuck off hammerers. Also, I don't have the DLC, so it's bullshit the AI gets to use something I have no access to.

>>166291647
The chances went from 0% to maybe 10% since CA confirmed that next installments will be full games and not expansions.

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The Sylvanian blitz

>Also, I don't have the DLC, so it's bullshit the AI gets to use something I have no access to.


Yeah, seems fair.

Does raiding someone who you have a NAP with make you untrustworthy? I want to piss off someone badly enough that they break it themselves and then declare war, and if I make some dosh on the way all the better.

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MEN OF PORTUGAL

>>166299039
>it ain't me starts playing

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>>166299229
Yes?

>>166297657

God the campaign map cities look so fucking bad.

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>>166295957

>>166299039
Some folks are born, made to wave the flag
Ooo, they're yellow, white and black
And when the band plays "Hail to the Emperor"
Ooo, they point Helblaster volley gun at you, Sigmar

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no Elector Count's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no

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>>166294972

>>166300656
Empire cavalry charging into a horde of undead always gets me.

>>166289415
so how many times you think she fucked that elf head?

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>>166294972

>>166294972
Sweden seems to in some trouble there.

is the Blood dlc worth it? I've heard that it makes the game too cartoony to be taken seriously

>>166302216
What?
It's got elves, orcs, dwarves, and monsters, and you're worried about blood?

>>166302397
I have all the DLC except the Blood because I've never bothered

>>166302216
Its the best one

>>166302216
I literally cannot understand how you can play without it. It changes the feel of battles SO much. And how could it possibly be more cartoony when the alternative is people just kind of falling over dead?

>>166289912
>making peace with a faction you have a grudge with

That is a fuckin grudgin if I've ever seen it. Someone post that white dwarf image, you know the one.

>>166291034
The dwarfs clans west of Black Fire pass are not under the authority of the high king.

Why aren't responses voiced in warhammer diplomacy?

>>166303593
I actually made them vassals, but it turned out they still didn't want to anyway.

>>166304439
>but it turned out they still didn't want to anyway.
Remove the grudge, I mean.

>>166304356

Because Warhammer is the best Total War in the series :^)

>>166304356
Why didn't they release one extra race with the base game?

>>166304356
cut corners

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Well there was another quest tournament for Warhams.

VC were banned most matches for raise dead spam, what VC did sneak through the other player countered with Empire Net&Shot lord sniping.

Greenskins and WElfs usually was a coin flip, WElfs usually dumpstered Empire.

Bretonnia and Beastmen were trash, Beastmen being a worse faction but Bretonnia usually just didn't have optimal picks. Both lack options and builds, however Beastmen require Morghur and 2 Gorebulls and nothing else in that damn army matters.

A lot of hilarious miss-micro involving forgetting about a 1500-ish unit, leaving it in the DZ until mid game.

Bretonnia might be fixed with the official release but the fuck are they going to do about Beasties? They are a fun campaign but damn they suck.

someone post the archie bear
I need it for reasons

>>166304578
You have to settle the grudge, that's the point. If you don't settle grudges as dwarfs what are you doin

>>166286489
most objects just end up as impassible ground though.

>>166304703
Price adjustments fix everything.

So what's with Nordland always being an absolute cunt that hates everyone.

>>166305356
Take the petty incompetent norscan bull enough times and you'll want to scream.
Or so I'd imagine..

>>166305356
I'd be a cunt too if I had fucking Norsca for neighbors

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Oh for fucks sake

>>166304703
I wouldn't think Raise Dead would be that much of a problem, since they start exploding as soon as they pop out of the ground. I guess an insta-flank is still a flank after all.

Personally I think Beastmen need to be more of a horde faction. You get shit-tier Ungors for the price of standard infantry and Gors are still too weak for their price. Their monster units are quite nice but get hard countered by cheap spears so you can't just bring only them. Ultimately you're working with the same or fewer troops than your opponent and most of yours are way worse.

Where do Warriors of Chaos stand in all this? Did better chariots Make any difference?

>>166306351
>not bribing the pope

You fail at Milan forever

>>166288710
Just wait for kislev to get destroyed. then you just have to raid the region.

>>166306412
It's a big problem, it's an extra twelve zombies. That block cavalry charges and basically remove all enemy missiles from their primary role. And they can be swarmed up together with everything else and Invocation of Nehek'd.

I'm not the lad you're replying to by the way.

On ladder in general Chaos is doing fairly decently. Chariots are still forgotten(though I personally like them against some armies). They have quite effective goon squads with Kholek+shaggoth/s, or lord on dragon plus exalted/sorcerer/chaos manticore.

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>>166306475
I´m still excommunicated because I defended myself against Sicily and after that they didnt accept bribes anymore

>>166305292
Does it really fix all your options being bad aside from a single lord, one type of hero and an easily counter-able hero pick since you don't have to worry about anything else

>>166306412
Chaos did not show up too much, what was there was the double Shaggoth build that had knights and a token infantry force to be eaten by 5 black orcs and company because lol no army limits.

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Rejoice! For a Knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

>>166306889
Yes. Bestigors and Centigors with great weapons are both superb. If each were cheaper it'd boost the army strength relative to the discount. Though that would abandon the rest of the army.
But yeah pricing is the fulcrum of MP balance obviously. It's the equal standard from which all armies start.

Anyone up for some quickbattles?

>>166307201
Bestigors are the worst great weapon option out there. The CentigorGW + doggo combo is really good at cav crushing but usually not the most cost effective.

I just find most Beastie units just need too much help to do something useful. Making shit cheaper thus being able to bring more support would help. I think some stat changes should be in order as well so that they can win at something besides Gorebull lord sniping.

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First probing attempt by the frenchies

So I wanted to rename my steam tank after it was the sole survivor of a battle with 13 of it's brothers, what would fit? They took out Archaon and Sigvald with full stacks.

>>166307747
Yeah they're not the best on damage and model count, but the sole fact that they have armor takes them the furthest of all Beastman infantry in my experience.
This is in that you can send them to enagage a unit and unlike nearly every other beastman unit you can expect it to probably win.
Of course you're fucked if they have AP. But they usually don't against Beastmen.
But yes still weak.
Price reductions across the board are pretty much needed.

What am I going to have more fun playing right now with all DLCs, Attila or Rome 2?

>>166307993
What's this mod? Does it nerf moors?

>>166308095
well its hard to decide for you, but Attila is the better game

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>>166308032

XIII Survivor

>>166308095
Attila has better gameplay, Rome has the better setting and the better faction starts.
Depends on who you want to play.
Horsefuckers or generic barbars play Attila, Rome or Carthage or Greeks play Rome obviously.

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>>166307993
>Playing milan

>>166308032
The 13th. Remembrance. Old Iron sides. Indestructible. Sigmars own. Big fat cocks.

I dunno which ever you prefer.

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Oh fuck here they come
2 full stacks from the frenchies, 1 and a half stack from the HRE and 1 full stack from the spaniards

>>166308112
Deus lo Vult
>nerf moors
they needed nerfs?

>>166309051
Christian Guard for the Moors were better knights than most knights that Christians got.

I just got a retarded idea for a mod that I have to share with you.

Steam tanks for the Empire. They're kind of supposed to rare/a big deal. Yet, you can just crank them out by the hundreds if your economy is strong enough.

So why not make them heroes?

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>>166309362
There are a lot of "rare" units out there my mang. However CA didn't implement special/rare army limits because they're lazy. I think doing so would really help make gameplay more interesting in both MP and SP.

Lords and Heroes are such because the rulebooks say they are and perform leadership, support, and combat actions whereas a Steamtank can only do combat.

>>166309362
There are actually ways to limit the amount of a certain unit can be built. so you could just cap the steam tank to 13.

but thats still more than enough steam tank. I only ever used about 5 in my campaign that essentially wiped the map.

I played a bret mod where they included foot knights but gave them a unit cap so that you couldn't just spam foot armies. (implying i'd be playing bretonnia if I didn't want to spam cav armies.)

>>166309729
I don't find it so bad when I play multiplayer. most people seem to take balanced armies anyways. rarely do I encounter too much spam. that said smaller funds is better.

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Now england and the portugese send a stack each to the party
and to make things worse my economy has a total fucking crash making me loose about 3000 gold per turn
>>166309178
Never knew that
Usually in my campaigns the moors get destroyed before they can start anything big

>>166309729
It'd be neat to make Steamtanks heroes if you could actually do some more customization than "Do +X% damage" or "Increase aura size by X%".

Something like replacing the main gun of the tank with a flamethrower would be neat.

>>166309798
Steam tanks got retconned in every edition, that 'there's only 13 of them' thing is outdated.

>>166309362
>>166309729
The amber mechanic for elite units is good
It should be used for every faction

>>166309729
It has nothing to do with being lazy. Army limits are just something that nobody wants outside of quickbattles.

If I have enough money, I should be able to bring whatever the hell I want in single player, or if I want to set up some cool scenario in custom battles or dick around with a friend in MP, I shouldn't have some stupid limitation hoisted upon me.

>>166310036
Moors are very big and thus can get good momentum going in theory. But in practice they usually get super distracted by Sicily landing in Tunis and their AI spergs out and allows for the reconquista.

>>166310136
I thought so.

I thought the 13 eventually meant to be the unique steam tank variants. like the one with the large steam canon, the warwagon like one with all the different engineers with their prototype weapons. the one that was essentially just a massive ram. But that the general mk1 model being constantly being built in nuln.

>>166309729
This is also something that could work with an avatar conquest like multiplayer.

>>166310208
It doesn't matter how much money you have black orcs and grail knights cant be infinitely produced. Random armies spawning with 7 minos or greatswords really aren't that fun to play with or right against.

With no limits everyone is Warriors of Chaos with heavily armed and armored shit just cntrl+G and right clicking over the enemy's head.

Early game spam and late game spam are just boring and take away so much flavor and strategy from every faction.

>>166310795
Pretty much this.

Would be nice if every building tyoe only let you create a limited amount of elite units.

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looks like that wasnt a portugese army but a polish army
and the hungarians have brought their own army to attack my capital
this just gets better and better by the turn

>>166310254
or they get fucked by a random crusade

>>166310997
It should be doable with a mod
But the AI has to be restricted too

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Meanwhile in a far away place

>>166311353
>"The Crusaders will never find me in the new world!"

>>166306351
There is nothing wrong with crusading Milanese scum

>>166308032
The Iron Maiden

do it

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Hahahaha

>>166311801
good thing that the AI cannot into naval invasions

>>166311193
Yes but we all know no one here is gonna make it happen.

>>166312671
but don't recruitment mods already sort of do this?

>>166286787
5 fucking organ guns and it can fire them all at once. if its undamaged.

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>>166312671
It'd be nice if CA would do something like it. Make a "structured/free" settings that would implement something similar so that you and the AI have to use either a restricted or unrestricted rule sets that way the anon who posts armies of all minos/bestigors is happy but others can play in a different way.

>>166310473
These 2 together would make an awesome MP experience

>>166313149
No, it control ratios of infantry/cav/missile/monster not elite/standard so once the AI gets its hands of greatswords they pump them out and use like swordsmen. Playing on higher difficulties magnifies this effect tenfold.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5sVElgdtAg
LETS NOT FORGET GOOD MUSIC

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>>166313537
DELET THIS FRENK

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G O B L I N S

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>>166313845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpmZZCpQ9M

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>>166313537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67bZGL3hMnI

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Begun, the Grudge war has

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It is around the corner. 2 weeks or so

>>166315078
>every roman legion is a unique unit

Is this weaponized autism?

>>166315282
I hope it is.

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>>166315078
>30 separate melee infantry units within a 60G price range, maybe more

holy shit that's hilarious, nice to see modders waste their time with the dumbest shit

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>>166315078

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strange
Why are only the frenchies and that small polish army taking part in that siege?
There is a full stack of englishmen and half a stack of germans on the other side of the city inside the red square
Why arent they attacking?

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>>166315843

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Oh look at what the french king is wearing
I wish I could take items like these as loot

>>166315078
I hope that fucking glare in't part of the mod.

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>>166316776
RIP anon

>>166315078
Why did you photograph your own screen rather than taking a screenshot?

>>166286787
>>166285427
I want this so badly

>>166315078
Why is that lightning there? It's awful.

>>166317659
He took a picture of his monitor.

tw : warhammer is so fucking expensive i want it but jesus christ 120 euros with dlc this is insane

how important is the dlc, like does it add only units or also mechanics/maps/factions to fight (as in don't get to play wood elves but are they still in the game at all ?)

>>166318259
the DLC only unlocks factions and specialty units. There's lots of freelc and if you don't own a faction you'll still encounter them on the campaign map.

>>166318379
oh and a few minor campaigns.

i just bought S2 with most of the dlc(not any of the clan packs)

what are some essential mods?

>>166318379
>>166318461
alright
last question, is it harder to run than attila or rome 2 ? i barely get enough fps on those, wondering if warhammer is the same or better

>>166319409

I find that Warhammer runs much more smoothly than either of those games. And a hell of a lot more optimized than Shogun 2.

>>166318259
>how important is the dlc
honestly, the only one worth having is wood elf one, and even that ONLY if you actually want to play as the wood elves, the rest are all pretty shitty

>>166319409
warhammer has lower battle size so it runs better

>>166319409
Hmm I don't know that I don't have a top of the line computer but it does well enough for me. I always found atilla to run better.

Late game warhammer's loading times get long and its making me seriously consider getting a SSD to add to my computer.

>>166319872
>>166319812
>>166319803
alright thanks anons, i think i'm gonna get the base version for 35$ online

>>166319409
atilla ran like shit for most people, warhammer runs a lot nicer.

>>166285507
Apocalyptic husbando

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The Great Grudge war rages on.

Belegar will be the true high king of the dwarves

>>166318465
>modding perfection
But seriously, the most you need are graphics or unit reskins.
Every major gameplay mod for Shogun 2, without fail, manages to include some stupid fucking shit nobody wants or needs.

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>>166315078
One thing I liked about rome 2 was it's simple unit rosters.

And now this.

Do captains and generals of the empire have demigryph mounts on the TT?

Would be cool to have a single unit on a demigryph

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So now that CA has tested its hand with a shit non-historical setting and the result was passable, when are we going to get the magnum opus of Total War?

Can anyone explain why Shitvald the Fagnificient is in this game instead of a non-meme Chaos Lord? I'm not sure what gameplay role he covers.

>>166321179
>implications

>>166321179
After seeing the enormous success of TWW i'd be surprised if they aren't offered other licenses. Tolkien is obviously the biggest and once Christopher Tolkien finally fucking dies they'll most likely look to keep monetizing it.

>>166321179
>All those possible mini-campaigns they could cook up and sell for mondo dosh that would actually be kinda decent

>>166321361
LotR, while obviously the original, is honestly just a less interesting Warhammer Fantasy. I hope they don't waste their time.

>>166321361
At least total war games wouldn't bastardise the setting, and if EA can get the license for bfme surely sega could.

>>166321503
>suddenly tens of thousands of dead every turn
>not bastardising the setting

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>>166321179
>Discount warhammer

>>166319960
yeah and only go for a faction if they interest you, thats how its supposed to be done. Unless you're going to play every faction there should be more than enough content with 4 campaigns and several lords.

MKTW campaign when

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>>166321361
>>166321179
>>166321452
I can already see it.

>"We are pleased to reveal our brand new dynamic campaign mechanic for the Orcs of Gundabad, Were worm tunnels! These tunnels give the orcs an unique and dynamic way to bypass difficult terrain like mountains."

>>166322302

Its already out

>>166322451
you lie

>>166321179
>with a shit non-historical setting and the result was passable
>passable
??????

>>166322475
Just some alternative facts.

>>166324059
Post-facts only thank you.

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Stop leveling up your settlements and cities.

Return to a pagan, tribal european society.

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>>166325103
Pls go Varg

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>>166294972
Fukin druids ay?

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>>166325103

Stop posting Varg memes

>>166325370
Is this Thera 4.0 or something?

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>>166294972

>>166325103
So has anything happened with Varg? Why do I see him all over the place all of a sudden after years of irrelevancy?

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>>166294972
>when the lighting glitches out and makes the whole battle look like a comic

>>166326015
how do the units look?

>>166325662
dank memes
nah he probably resonated with the larpiest of the alt right such as myself

>>166325662
He makes youtube videos now.

>>166325662
He shot up a church

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>>166294972

>>166325556
what?

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How do you exploit sieges in Warhammer? Someone here mentioned something about being outside of the cone of fire for the towers or something.

Asking because I'm doing research for a mod I'm working on and I want to test different things to see if I can goad the AI into better behavior. Didn't think it was possible to cheat the towers.

>>166326015
Grombrindal's Journal.:

Goat carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This Karak is afraid of me. I have seen it's true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their Grudges and dishonors will foam up about their waists and all the Grotti and Lords will look up and shout "Save us!"...

...and I'll look down, and whisper "no."

>>166326227
This looks absolutely generic and uninteresting, care to explain why you liked it so much? I'm not asking this in a condescending manner by the way.

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>>166326112
Not the best, honestly looking at the ground it was hard to see anything. It was mostly the background that had any colour to it, everything else was very dark.

I probably should have played it through but ended up reloading it after taking only a few shots.

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>>166326015
And the only other good one I got.

>>166295325
I hate the amount of sally forth Dei has. Sub mod when.

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>>166326404
Like what?

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>>166325353
>>166325508
>>166325662
>>166326152
>>166326198
>>166326213


Public order -15 per turn.
(Religious unrest)

>>166326316
I wont lie stuff like this was what I was thinking when I saw it happen.

I'd love to know what went wrong and how to trigger it again.

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>>166321179
warhammer is a superior fantasy setting. LOTR is for children and fantasy first-timers.

I used to love LOTR but in retrospect, it is all over the place and takes itself either way too seriously (in the case of races like the uruk hai) or not seriously enough (in the case of how fuckin ridiculous tom bombadil is)

>>166327064
>warhammer is a superior fantasy setting

Well, it's a superior fantasy setting for Total War imo.

>>166321282
at release he was a lord snipe to counter vampires and such. now with power creep his usefulness has run its course

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>>166325370

>ywn put on your retarded antler-helm and stride to battle alongside your fellow druids

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uh oh

>>166327064
I agree. I hate when fantasy isn't "human" enough as odd as that sounds. When fantasy isn't afraid to delve into the ugliness or darkness of humanity and reflect this back as fantasy races or encounters it is really awesome to read/consume. LOTR definitely fall flat in this regard and feels way too clean or PG to be good fantasy.

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Would you play Crisis of the 3rd-century campaign on Rome 2?

Zenobia is my waifue

>>166298808
>>166298265
>fuCK OFF NOW!?!

>>166327745
Only if I could play as Diocletian.

>got the urge to play m2 again
>playing as england
>just ran through france sieging 3 cities with 6 armies after they dickslapped me
>hre betrays me and attacks a fairly undefended city
>pull two armies back for them but it'll take a couple turns
>they assault next turn
>800 assorted town and spear militia with 2 units of peasants
>they have 1900 with archers and knights
>turtle up in city center just to inflict as much casualties as I can before I lose
>a while of slapping then they start to surge forward and my ranks are disintegrating
>the hre commander suddenly dies and his unit is routing straight through the entire hre army
>take this opportunity to charge everyone straight at them
>more of their army routes
>this causes a tsunami of routes as the retreating units catch the ones they retreat through and cause them to retreat until the entire army is routing after only about 200 casualties
I love the morale system in TW games.

it's a shame I forgot steam doesn't care about the normal screenshot button most games use.

>>166327745
But I don't want to play as Pontus!
Only if the Romans have the huge helmets of that time.

>>166306351
Has the pope in the history of ever actually ever called a crusade against a christian settlement?

>>166329097
The Cathar Crusade?

>>166329097
There has been crusades in southern France.

>>166329056
Pontus was already conquered by Rome at that time

hahaha golly I sure love paying nine and a half thousand dollars to replenish an army hahaha

>>166330116
Easily the worst part of oldfag Total Wars. It's very clunky, especially if you have to ferry units around the map. I didn't mind it back then, but I can't go back to that pain in the ass system after playing the more recent Total Wars. It's probably the only thing keeping me from another Medieval 2 run.

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Are there any demo, or tribal version for recent total war games?

>>166330514
Beastmen is tribal esque I guess, Chaos too. I think that's what the horde mechanic is really suppose to represent. Savage orcs might be a little tribal than normal orcs too I suppose.

>>166321179
Tolkien faggots are worse then history and warhammer fags combined. So snooty.

>>166330962
There should have been an horde savage orc faction to play with

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With the Persians completely bypassing both of my southern armies, they've been allowed to take Dagestan, Astrakhan, and Tartariya while I've been helpless to stop them, as both my other southern cities have enemy armies camped nearby. I sacrificed Karelia to convince Sweden to accept peace so I could close off the northern front but my third army is still mostly depleted. Hopefully I can soon replenish them and move them to counter the Persians.
This is stressful man.

>>166329751
Look at the color code on the bottom left.

>>166323775
Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that TWW was great

>>166329097
The catlick p*pe pardoned the crusaders for sacking Constantinople but neither of them are True Christians other than in name so..

>>166331356
Common consensus is it is great.

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>start new campaign as suebi
>hermenic starts out with fighter (+2 exp for melee recruits)
>get pankration gloves (+3 exp for infantry recruits)
>recruiting rank 5 spearmen one year in

>>166331592
From plebs who have never touched a total war game before so they don't know what features were stripped.

>>166331774
TWW is the second best game in the series, and I started playing when Rome 1 came out. The elitism you are showing just makes you look like an idiotic prick.

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>>166294972

>>166331595
Recruiting veterans is such fucking gamey nonsense, champions giving exp all the way up to gold is bullshit too. I wish they made veterancy harder to earn whilst making it more useful so your unit that has been with you since the start of the campaign is markedly better than fresh recruits.

>>166331550
Well, true Christianity wasn't discovered until Baptists grew in America.

>>166331774
I think i figured it out.

I think TWW is hated by campaign players who don't actually play battles.

total war warhammer is better in battles and campaign mechanics do actually change for factions.

>>166332202
Yep faggots like Legend who auto resolve everything and like playing as the same reskinned factions each game.