/domg/ Dominions General

>>166222204
First for aboleth traps

>>166222204
innovative

Anyone in Autistic RP please keep in mind anything interesting that might happen as the game goes on that would warrant a custom site in the sequel map.

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>>166222339

Use an oracle you dumb scrub. Way more efficient

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>>166222429

>>166222498
Can't use an oracle as a late game SC. This is much less easily countered.

>>166222601
Of course you can. Just teleport->Master Enslavex5 with a matrix for giving the fatigue to your com slaves

>>166222674
Sounds like a waste of gems teleporting him everywhere.

>>166222601
If you have S9 you can get to tarts using rings pretty easily, just need some empowerment.

>>166222736
No native death access, and I'd rather empower my wind lords with death anyway to give them fear.

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>>166222883

>quickness for 1.5x lance and hoof attacks
>reinvig to help with flyer fatigue
>twist fate and MR for magic thug counters and stopping flukes that get through my empowered A2 windlords' mistform/mirror image

Is there a single downside to this strategy?

>>166223319
You should add N9 in there too to give them a respectable HP pool

>>166223534
>Arco
>Using N
kek

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>>166223534

>>166222883
Also gives them undead command meaning you can give them non-commander tartarians for extra powerful raiding parties!

>>166223725
Your pretender lacks slots for a frost brand and vine shield. It's shit.

>>166223827
>what are 2 copper hands

>>166223825
Anon, you just blew my fucking mind. I wish desura was around so I could spread the word of the new empowering meta.

>>166221253
Could I get a reply for the frist part please?

>>166218792
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>every new MA game I want to try toads
>toads always get taken
g-guess I'll just play china

>>166222419
>Sequel

Shiggy my diggy.

Alright you nonscrubs, get in. Lets have an expert game if we're having all these noob/intermediate games.


http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/143388132205353985/

>>166225783
We got MA toads available here although it's a summod+me game
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/1433881322016429

>tfw there's an impossible angle in your cap ring and your awake expander that you were going to use to break into paths your nation doesn't have later down the line is now horror marked

>>166230196
a few horror marks are fine

>>166230564
Famous Last Words volume 3.

>>166230196
>>166230564
>>166230841
they fade with time
or was it curse?

>>166231103
>they fade with time
nope

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Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
Ur 2h file received
>Vanheim Waiting for 2h file
>Yomi Waiting for 2h file

>>166231163
They fade with time, but only if you're dead.

>>166231516
What does this mean in lore terms? That horrors from the astral plane can't perceive the underworld?

>>166231916
Chances are you're a lot more boring to them while you're decomposing, so they look elsewhere for their amusement.

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Is this okay for summod MA Man?

>>166234438
I'd drop misf and bump dominion+magic for better research, but it's pretty good as it is.

>>166234774
Don't really have any free points to play with.
Dominions is overrated with Man's cheap tembles.

>>166235330
It limits the number of monks researching per lab, though.

>>166235645
I'd rather not rely on them, since you can't use them for anything other than research.

>>166235827
Uh, no. They're cheaper than scouts (taking upkeep into account) and can scout, research and stealth-preach. Why wouldn't you utilize them?

>>166236468
I guess from that point of view...
They don't seem to be benefitting from magic scales though. Their reasearch doesn't get modified.

>>166236758
That's pretty weird. I know that polypal mothers do

>>166234438
Also, Solar Eagle allows you to get +1 scale and +1 dom. Do you need E2 and/or titan chassis?

>>166236895
Maybe due to no magic paths? Or a summod change?

>>166236901
No I'm a dumbass. I thought it would help my national mages with earthboots, but they can already craft them by themself.

Although a titan chasis is nice for a defensive SC. Might prefer the better scales though.

>>166237852
An early game SC is very valuable. I'd say to keep it

>>166237923
Also A4 opens up ait boosters much earlier as an A4 crone could take forever. I'll drop the E2 to it base E1 value and get another point of dominion though.

>>166238210
I wouldn't because I like RoS

>>166238302
Fair point.

>>166238302
You can RoS with Logrians unless you're playing on summod.

>>166238959
>unless you're playing on summod
>>166234438
>summod MA Man

>>166238959
Summod nerfs MA MAN!

What sort of strategies work against the massed devils that come out of mid/late soul contract strats? Assuming level 6-7 of everything, but no demonic cleansing and so on. The dude I'm fighting is using vamp lords to lead them too, but hasn't been casting Darkness with them.

>>166239364
storm + rigor mortis + skeletons

>>166239541
Yeah Rigor Mortis is a giant fuck you against anything

>>166239541
summod gives them fire shield, so they're really good against skelespam now. I also don't really have great D access, though I can get a mound fiend with a stick to cast the Rigor Mortis if I can find other workable blockers

I love ichtyids!

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Have any nations but claimed but not registered in the upcoming MA game? Are MA C'tis shit and useless? I'm kind of feeling MA C'tis.

>>166231516
but chances are the horrors that kill you are going to mark you pretty badly.

>>166222419
Please tell me the sequel is in MA.

>>166248514
Yeah. MA then if it works out another in LA. How else would it be done?

>>166247184
FUCK OFF SHITPOSTER

>open one turn
>lost another battle, while already being pretty much irrelevant
>open other turn
>won a battle that was planned for, on a throne, then another nation sent a clashing force afterwards, wiping out my army

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awoooo

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When did /domg/ become so dead? This is why we need more games.

>>166249247
>open turn
>lose a battle to a route when your enemy had nothing left but a single surrounded PD commander
>everyone that routes dies because no province to retreat to

how to build MA C'tis pretender? I'm thinking Rainbow Snek King. Is that stupid? Does the latest Summod make any drastic changes?

>>166252313
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/143388132201642949/
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AutismWars

>>166252550
Play elvish games, win elvish prizes.

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How does Snek look? His purpose is to sitesearch and eventually construct rings for the purpose of Gift of Health and Tarts.

>>166252841
>>166253370
You spent a TON on those paths. I'd look and see what you want to do with them in the mid game too, or make it imprisoned. Or just drop some points.

Personally I prefer scales C'tis.

>>166253370
It looks like you're trying to put way too much shit on one pretender, and your scales are terrible because of it.

F1 - gives a fire booster along with death, but you need at least F2 to summon flame spirits and properly break into fire.

A2 - I don't know what your plan is for this scale. Why take air magic, just gems?

W1 - you get this natively. Is there a crosspath you need it on yuour pretender for?

E2 - this is good, I like it.

S7 - excessive, S5 is sufficient if you just want rings, S6 is sufficient if you want to reach S9 rituals.

D5 - this is also fine, but c'tis has one of the easier paths to tarts already. I'm not sure if you need your pretender to be built to summon them too, especially when you have rings available.

N5 - I see no need for this, unless you plan to rush Mother Oak (which is almost certainly a terrible idea).

Do you have a reason for why each path is there?

>>166237852
It's not a summod change. They just have different applicable commands.

>>166253370
C'tis really needs the scales. I wouldn't build my strategy on the hopes that no one will attack me during the first three years considering how strong lategame C'tis has, especially in your case.

>Pull up new turn
>Being attacked due to not responding to a message I never recalled getting

Fuck, wish I had the turns saved so I could actually check if I ever got a message in the first place.

I wish I knew which of you losers it is who keeps submitting the turn within the hour it's due and then never does a double. I'd invade your punk ass right now.

>>166255765
That sounds kinda autistic.

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Congratulations to Marignon for still being alive despite being on the losing side of one war or another for something like 4 in-game years

>>166255815
Double-dipping is not encouraged in public games.

>>166231440
Hes right you know.

>>166247989
MA C'tis are pretty good.

>>166256960
The problem with cyber-bullying are not some hurtful messages sent to the bullied kid. They can be ignored or usually tracked. The modern social bullying which include "bully target groups", groups where people share compromising material/stories about the bullied person and spread them to the bullied person's acquintances/school mates are the core of the problem. Combine this with the cameraphones and you have things like secretly filming the bullied ones in locker rooms and semi-public lists of people you are not allowed to associate with. The bullied ones can't even escape physical bullying by withdrawing somewhere, as their location is frequently updated in the bully groups.

And as usual, the older teachers are idiots who like to pretend that this isn't happening to keep their bust polished and parents do the usual "There is no way our John could be doing this, he is such a good boy etc."

>>166257496
That's just traditional bullying with social media aid, not full on cyberbullying.

>>166253937
>>166254257
>>166254324
I'm thinking I might go harder on scales if snek seems to path-heavy. I only really put thought into Astral, Death and Nature. If I don't use snek to cast Gift of Health will a high-level N caster be a pain in the ass to get my hands on? Will I need a Couatl?

>>166258606
IIRC C'tis native N access is good enough to boost up to GoH. You an get thistle mace and moonvine bracelet.

>>166258934
All right then. I suppose I might drop N for more scales. What should be prioritized? Luck, Production or Growth?

>>166258606
N2 marshmaster with boosters (any two of: thistle mace, moonvine, RoS, RoW) = N4

Use N4 to summon ivy king (n3 caster). It's in conjuration 7, so you should have it well before you get tarts.

Ivy King with 3 boosters is N6, enough to cast GoH.

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How does revised snek please /domg/?

>>166259156
Turmoil 3, Sloth 1, Heat 3, Growth 3, Luck 3, Magic 2 would be better scales for the same cost, imo.

Sloth 1 expansion should still be doable, slave warriors are very low resource cost and expand pretty well.

Do you really want Snek mage specifically? You could get slightly cheaper (probably enough for a point of dominion) by going to a human with S base path rather than nature.

>>166256162
ive been just chilling in my forts until i figure out what i can script to win against teen cheese

>>166259586
>turmoil 3
>on a nation that needs to spam marshmasters

>>166259586
About pretender chassis, does the pretender on ma ctis need poison resist?

>>166259695
Best other option would be Order 2, Sloth 1, Heat 3, Growth 3.

It gets more gold, but I don't think that's worth losing magic scales when your lategame plan is rushing tarts.

>>166259731
>MA
Oops, I was thinking about EA. Most of my advice is still fine, but you definitely need D5 if you want tarts.

>does the pretender on ma ctis need poison resist
Poison resist would only matter if you're deploying them in combat, and in that case you can buff them with poison resist. In any case, the cheapest option for your paths is the Great Sauromancer, who does come with poison resist.

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>>166260687
>Great Sauromancer
I actually missed him in the list. He's usually my go to for C'tis. I think that this works much better.

>>166252313
I already in 11 games and I want to go ai in some of them as they aren't very fun....

>>166262202
>11 games
NEET?

>>166262252
I actually have a full time job. I do turns in the morning, on lunch break, when I get home, and before I go to bed.

>>166262326
I can see that working, but how many are in late-game?

>>166262326
Are they mostly on 48+hr turn timers? Because there aren't enough hours in the day to take 11 turns on top of work and sleep.

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>>166262367
>>166262426
I was eliminated / lost some games , so I'm actually at 8 games. 4 of them are late game. I'm not really have much fun in most of them and am considering going ai.

>>166262617
Pretty sure NoBully shouldn't even be counted. It hosts less than the natgen, and only continues because Lukas doesn't have the drive to push through stale Mictlan/AI Abysia and win.

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>>166262725
I didn't count Nobully actually

>>166262870
Who are you in each one?

>>166262870
>Pants_are_a_sometimes_fo
What?

How do you fix the Barbarian crashing error?

>>166263085
I don't know why I would divulge that.

>>166263178
Sy likes to name his blitzes clever things?

>>166263267
Wait, Sy blitzes?

>>166263714
Rarely, and usually just Sundays.

>>166252313
It's weekend, we got a surprisingly large amount of people with social lives for such an autistic game.

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>3 different games
>3 different overwhelming attacks on my cap
>somehow I'm winning all three

that moment were you don't know whether you are a tactical genious or the luckiest guy on /domg/

>>166265193
>1 game
>overwhelming attacks on my territory from 3 different directions
>I am winning exactly 1 direction

wish they'd get to my cap so I could beat overwhelming force with overwhelming bullshit already

Look, having evocation—my uncle was a great forger and researcher and mage, Sir. John Trump at the Tower of Ten Thousand Stars; good paths, very good paths, OK, very smart, the Cathedral of the Spheres, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Human, if I were an Elf, if, like, OK, if I cast as a glamorous Elf, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Human they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to the Cathedral, was a good lab rat, went there, went there, did this, cast some spells—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the evocation deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lands are (evocation is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four provinces—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the astral mages are smarter right now than the elementalists, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 turns—but the birds are great negotiators, the Caelians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

>>166266362
Who is the Donald Trump of pretenders?

Guys, I can't bring myself to re-do everything again after the hosting error. Really considering going AI now. Admin is a little pathetic fagget. 9/10 VP to win. No one can be set AI, or be substituted. No one can even roll the game back, so I can send in my previous, slightly modified turn. That is a hell.

If someone strongly objecting my leaving, then I... don't know, why is this game so shit, despite players being decent? I just don't know what should I do.

>>166267307
You could always just give up.
The only wins I've had so far have been from everyone else giving up but I'm willing to take them

So, /domg/, which one of the Dominions / Conquest of Elysiums would you say has the best Single Player mode AI?

>>166267626
Dominions, but they both suck

>>166267626
>>166267732
Dominions did recently get a bit smarter with an update to the AI that encourages it to use communions but you're still strongly missing out if you only do single player.

>>166267307
>Ys: 26 Stales
Did your admin abandon the game or does he not know how to set players AI?

>>166267307

You guys realize that you can e-mail Llama and get the admin password to do all that?

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=YesItsAMiddleAgeGame

Just 2 more players needed.
>Nations joined so far:
>Ulm
>Nazca
>Marignon
>Bandar Log
>Xibalba
>T'ien Ch'i
>Vanarus
>C'tis

>>166267307

I feel ya, my man... and I'm the one getting dog-piled.

I'm gonna stick with it I guess, but the game definitely went to shit. Well no, that's not quite right: the game was shit from the very beginning with a player/players needing to be set AI pretty much immediately, and then Rus attacked everyone and then went AI the second he faced resistance, and then Ys our glorious admin likewise started staling the second he lost a battle with you.

Absolutely disgraceful showing, 0/10 shamefur dispray. Everyone still left in the game I would gladly play with again, though.

>>166268864
I'll joing if I can come up with a good pretender name or just submit a terrible one.

>>166269165
I'm going with "needs a higher character limit" whenever I cant think of a good name

Also tfw After-Grog-Bog Mummy is my best name yet
need to work on my memeing

>>166269165
I'm pretty proud of the one I came up with for this one.

So what is the preferred early expansion of MA Man?

I tried mostly Longbowmen behind the cheapest spearmen, which works against most things, although you can get screwed by heavy cavalry or heavy infantry.

>>166269569
Also research, what do I get?
Early Wind Guide?

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=YesItsAMiddleAgeGame

Seems like that last post worked pretty well. We're full now.

>>166230196
fuck, I sent an expansion party through there like an idiot, fuck me right in the anus
Oh well at least they don't live very long

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I just remembered a highlight from a few turns ago

>Oceania makes a 22 Water Bottle siren army
>kills an undead army no trabble
>gets bumped by allied Mictlan
>loses the bump, presumably with horrible losses on both sides
loving every laff

>>166270192
Just in time for me to wake up!

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>>166271586
>22 Water Bottle siren army

I need a version of this, but for elementals

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>>166271614
oh fug yes

>>166271652
I respect his raiding army choice; I just find it really, really funny when aforementioned raiding army (which definitely had trample at the time) dies to puny humans in fur with feathered headresses

>>166271975
I respect it too, my dude. I cannot think of a better use of 220 water gems.

>>166271975
Blood vengeance aint no joke.

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Can somebody upload the better arena mod somewhere?
Clicking the mod on llamaserver just links me to this ugly piece of shit.

>>166272130
>trample
>BV

>>166272220
Well there's one on Steam, no idea if it's the right one.

>>166272220
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=YesItsAMiddleAgeGame
I'm assuming you're in this game; there's a big ass banner at the top directing you to the DL link
>TROGLODYTES LOOK HERE
>VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

>Better Arena: >https://www.dropbox.com/s/kazojc1m371tbkq/BetterArena.7z?dl=0

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>TROGLODYTES LOOK HERE

>>166272220
Had this exact problem yesterday

TROGLODYTES LOOK HERE
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Better Arena: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kazojc1m371tbkq/BetterArena.7z?dl=0

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TROGLODYTES LOOK HERE

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rate

>>166272306
>>166272321
Well I guess I'm a fucking troglodyte.
Although the one on Steam seems to be working as well.

>>166272306
>>166272321
trogmind

>>166272321
not him
I sent in the wrong god
Lynchtree the Purifier is a memebless I use for blitzes

I'll get over it if you dont wanna restart cause I'm a tard but I gotta ask y'know?

>>166272361
And there I was worried about my pretemder name being shit.

>>166272005
catoblepas?

>>166272443
it's first turn, so I'll unstart
I also had a real shit start so I'm ok with this

>>166269732
I'd go for evocation for sleep cloud and poison cloud, as well as alteration for wooden warriors and swarm. I'd probably get swarm first, since it lets you provide more blockers for your longbows.

Never played Man, though.

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>>166272443

>>166272458
anything but dat boi and you're fine

>>166272518
how the fuck am I supposed to tell one mid_jotunheim_X.2h file from another

genuine question
oldfags pls enlighten me

>>166272601
I usually delete old ones once I'm done with them and almost always create new ones for new games. At the most I'll have maybe 3 for any nation at any time so it's never really hard to tell them apart.

>>166272601
Check the date of the file nerd.

>>166272513
sent

>>166269569
Capital only knights if you took full production. Or use your foresters behind some Logrians. If the Logrians rout or die and they get forced into melee, 2 attacks is pretty good.

>>166272516
Alteration sounds good. Has Windguide in it, a summod buff for your troops and swarm looks pretty need. Don't have enough experience with sleep cloud to be sure if that would do much/would fuck me up as well.

>>166272601
You can view created pretenders to see them in order, count which one it is.

I do something similar to >>166272653 as well, and put any I want to keep somewhere other than newlords.

Triple checking you sent in the right one helps as well.

>>166272895
I just didn't know how to check because this is the very first time I've encountered this problem

>>166272809
I took full production, but starting off with knights doesn't seem to be a good idea unless you have conquered your cap ring. Recruitment will be too slow otherwise.

>>166272513
New pretender name should be "/gsg/ is shit" just to double-check

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>>166273154
sweet

>>166273058
5 or 6 of those capital knights will take most indies, or back up another expansion team for tougher provinces.

Are Arco priestesses useful for healing up Tarts?

>>166272513
>had bad position
>even worse position now
I demand compensation in Nature and Air gems.

>>166273390
Sure, but at the beginning you'll need 3 turns to get those knights. In my testgames I usually got two expanstion paries before recruiting them. Might build them after the first if there are tough indies.

>>166273548
No, they're only useful for blessing A2 Wind Lord thugs

>>166273548
Healers don't work on undead anymore.

Is it me, or do we have too many thrones?

>>166273596
No, you're right. Your initial expansion team should rely on archers plus blockers. I usually recruit a Mother to lead the second army, then add some Logrians to replace lost infantry if I need to stop for whatever reason. I might occasionally add Logrian cavalry to a cavalry squad, too. I just like to get that cavalry squad our ASAP.

>>166273747
yeeeeah I may have gone a little bit nuts. I think 12 thrones, 6L1, 4L2, 2L3, 12 points to win might be better. I'll unstart

again

but not once more after this!

i am the worstmin

>>166273747
kinda yeah

but it's 18 points out of 33 to win so it should be interesting

>>166274315
Absolute MAdmin

>>166274165
>I usually recruit a Mother to lead the second army
She can only lead 40 troops, for a nation that basically needs a critical mass of Longbowmen to function. I buy a Castellan, even if it costs me a mage turn. Afterwards I usually have a steady stream of indie commanders to ferry troops around.

I don't have much experience with cavalry, so I'm looking forward to me. Gotta be careful when setting up troops so the cavalry clashes a second after my regular blockers.

>>166274315
I wouldn't have minded a crazy throne game, but I think fewer thrones might be a bit better.

>>166273596
It's even fucking worse. FUCK

>>166274631
is this the wrong time to complain about the map choice?

>>166274631
My start has 3 land connections, one of which is a throne.
Last time it was in a swamp, though thankfully I had 5 connections.
The time before I had 3 land connections, with an impassible mountain that was blocked off by 2 thrones.

This will be !!!FUN!!!

>>166274771
>>166274790
The map is okay (although there are terrible starting position with like 2 connections), but the terran is a bit clustered. Started with no forests nearby.

>>166274771
I picked it because it was pretty, not for balance. I could, hypothetically, make a modified version with way more nostarts and

unstart

the game

again

Good hearing that everyone's getting shitty starts. If we all have shit ones then nobody does.

>>166274950
Nah just leave it.

It's reasonably balanced, actually. The only issue I have with it is that the province connections are a bit unintuitive in certain areas. I also think that it has too many water provinces for the nations that you've got.

>>166274878
my issue with it is actually the 25 UW provinces when we (to my knowledge) only have 1 UW nation in-game

>>166275068
meant to quote >>166274950

>>166275068
Then we'll all have to make sure that we don't give the fregs a single land tile between us. They can only do so much when they're blocked from land.

>>166275041
>>166275068
Yeah that's a bit of a problem. UW superpower is pretty much guaranteed.

>>166275365
How many death casting nations do we have? Ench 2 is enough to go underwater if you can spare the D1 cast turns for Reanimation/Revive King (ie. me, Jotun am excellent at doing exactly that)

Nazca is also strong enough UW when they get enough Supayas up

So that's like... 1 full UW nation and 2 0.5 UW nations
Who else has 0.5 capability?
Oh and we can assume someone picks up indie amphibious/amphibious mercs so that's like... another 0.25x

it might be okay.

>>166275557
Guess it might be okay then.
>Oh and we can assume someone picks up indie amphibious/amphibious mercs so that's like... another 0.25x
Yeah no, I wouldn't count those. Sure you can grab some early UW procinves with them, buy you are not going to hold those.

>>166275557
I could send some stuff down there, but I doubt I'm really going to want to. Fregs can have all the water they want. I'm focusing on land.

>>166228257
>http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/143388132205353985/

okofire 4 hours ago
Sounds tempting, but ill pass.

>>166278221

I thought he was banned? Who the fuck unbanned him?

>>166278221

Hey I have 2 wins in the sheet, am I a bad enough dude to be allowed to join?

Is there anything the admin of VanillaNewbs can do to reverse the turn? i almost had no internet(i am in like the countryside) and my turn didn't went through and i think i stalled.

>>166280071
Are you C'Tis? In that case you did stall.
Although usually rollbacks are a pain in the ass for everybody involved, so they are reserved for when some bug fucks up the game and not when somebody misses their turn.

>>166280246
fug. i had sent my turn like 5 mins late when i found internet and tried to get the game and map as fast as i could.

>>166280246
btw, are you the admin of this game?

>>166281226
Nope.

>>166281269
can i have confirmation from him if he will or won't do what i requested? i don't blame him if he can't rollback.

>>166281479
Of course he can, but everybody would hate you for it.

>Noobs are told to get 12-15 provinces and a second fort going up in the first year
Is this with or without an awake expander? Because with an awake expander hitting that goal is fuck easy, but they'll likely be unable to hang onto that land come the first war

>>166282883
Without Giants

>>166282947
Giants usually only get up 12 provinces without the fort in the first year and practically have to eat another nation at that point to get parity with the rest of the worlds pace

But they are exceptionally good at eating 1-2 nations (closer to 1.5 really; 2 relies on diplomacy as a heel faction) in the first, second or early third year

I feel like Siege Golems should be dropped to Const 5 or 7

>>166252313

Where is this semen demon from?

>>166283731
I feel like the whole of Const 9 could be dropped down a level or two.

>>166282883
It's not about holding that territory or winning your first war. The 15 rule is meant to hone your expansion efficiency so you can recover from the million things that will inevitably go wrong in a real game.

dammit, all those restarts and I couldnt send my proper 3bless...

>>166285421
>>166274950
Instead of just going "damnit" ask
I'm pretty sure at this point odds are in your favour

>>166285421
I'm gonna send a strawpoll right now

>>166274950
>>166285746
Can we pretty please unstart the game?

>>166287985
Look at your emails

>>166262725
why don't you check nobully again fucker

>>166271975
>>166272130
it wasn't BV, micltan isn't even using B9, He's using S9W9, it's because the eagle warriors targeted my sirens directly instead of the water bottles

Hey guys I need 48 hours. Death in the family.

>>166288991
You got it.

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>>166288991

Oi. 40 van troops vs. a pretender. Who wins?

>>166291354
It depends, but if it's vanheres, they can probably kill almost anything with a good bless and maybe some buffs.

>>166271586
Haha sorry.

>>166291571
it's a titan that just came out of dormancy

juding from my experience with titan tiers (ie bird pretenders) they are a whimsy squishy lot

it being just right there at the reach of my vans makes for a very tempting attack

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hey /domg/, how do i stop sucking and git gud?

>>166295308
Play more MP games.

Ask good players for advice.

That's it.

>>166295308
Join an MP game.
Get your shit pushed in.
Ask the person who pushed your shit in for advice.
Repeat.

>>166295308
Learned a lot about the game when talking to another player in one of my games.

>>166295308

Got in contact with a few players through various games on steam. I then proceeded to pester them for advice and their experience a lot.

>>166295416
>>166295521
>>166297041
>>166297337
but there are no games recruiting right now fampais, and i have no idea how to host one myself

>>166297683
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/143388132201642949/
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AutismWars

>>166294624
bls respond

>>166297683
just go to llamaserver's create a new Dom4 game link and set all the options. It's easy.

>>166294624
>>166297828
what titan, what paths, what research does he have, what research do you have, what bless do your vans have

>>166297783
oh yeah, i tried to join that one but the mod link just gave me a shitton of errors.
>>166297831
i dont know what setup is "standard" though in terms of options and mods, not to mention maps

>>166288671
>Mictlan did his turn
>Lukas still hasn't though

And thus the game shall never end.

>>166298031
I made set someone set Mictlan AI, the party is on now mutha fucka

>>166298031
AI Abysia walked his doom stack into my lands; I'm too scared to do my turn.
t. Not Lukas

>>166297995
>oh yeah, i tried to join that one but the mod link just gave me a shitton of errors.

>IMPORTANT: YOU NEED BOTH SUMMOD .76 AND ME 1.35 IN YOUR MOD FOLDER AS WELL.
>GET THEM HERE
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-jNQgOwI-Q_TjJ3NEFMdS1fMmc/view
>https://github.com/sum1won/summod/releases

>>166298204
Bitch, I've had Abysia's doomstacks in my land with nothing to do about it for like 20 turns now. Join the club.

>>166297982
I only know what about the titan. we are on early game. I can cast very damaging spells on top of sacreds and Calvary backing me.

Essentially I feel i'm guaranteed to win unless the other player pulls a script that counters my troops

this is as much info i can give right now.

>>166297995
You have to download summod and ME separately and have them extracted in your mods folder, with the combined mod in the same folder. Only enable the combined mod.

Standard setup is a map with 12-15 provinces per player that doesn't have too much clustered terrain.
Whatever era
However many players, though 10+ means that when people inevitably stale or AI on their first lost battle it won't become boring
Indie strength, gold, resources, supplies, research and starting provinces stay default.
Score graphs are OFF ALWAYS OFF OH MY GOD OFF I AM SO SORRY DSDS GUYS
I like to turn random events to rare and story events off so that player skill is more important than good RNG, but YMMV
Renaming on so people can meme, no limit on artifact forging, site frequency no higher than 50
There's no set guideline on number of thrones or how many points to win, but it shouldn't be like you only need to take 3 thrones to win sort of thing.
And we generally use the latest version of summod and worthy heroes, and some games use BetterArena.

>>166298514
What titan is it? Titan of heaven? War and wisdom? What's your bless?

We can't help you unless you help us.

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tips on creating a pretender god for ME shinuyama?

>>166298679
>random events to rare
Sounds like free 120 pretender points by setting misfortune: 3.

>>166299028
>random events to common
Sounds like free 120 pretender points by setting Turmoil to 3

>>166299098
Not really? Everyone running mis3 with rare events is actually what happens though, since rare events tends to mean around 1 event every 4-5 turns if you have order 3.

>>166299396
It's the difference between T3L3 and O3M3
One is beneficial, the other can fuck you over in a massive way. I wish there were a middling option, but here we are.

You should NEVER pick misfortune 3.

t. illuminati attack survivor.

>>166299591
I mean you could just take luck 0. Literally the middle option.

>>166299591
In common events, yeah - though personally I wouldn't run either.

O3M3 is the freest scales ever in rare events though. Its like O3, no downsides - at worst its akin to O3M1 in a normal game, but its not even that bad either.

>>166299729
I meant between events common or events rare.
>>166299817
Remember that misfortune doesn't just govern the frequency of bad events, it's also what events you get. Some events require misfortune 1 or 2, and some REALLY bad ones are at misf 3. So yeah, you've got a smaller chance of getting a shitty event, but if you take M3 it could be an event that loses you a fort, a lab, thousands of pop, lots of gems, a province and others besides.

you guys weren't kidding about too much water, goodness gracious

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Starting to get burned out. So if anyone is interested of subbing Gorka or ea R'lyeth that would be great. Both are can advance and hold their provinces, although Gorka is unbalanced meme mod game.

Gorka is fantasy warhammer orcs, lacking in magic but can field an huge number of surprising robust units. Turn 53

Ea R'lyeth, only sea nation in no-diplo game. Turn 37

>>166300518
answer the GODDAMN strawpoll

>>166300734
yes

>>166300701
>finally makes his move on a land nation
>now wants to sub out

why man

>>166300873
ok, thanks, sorry i snapped at you

>>166300873
unless you're interpreting that as "yes i want a restart" because the answer's "no i aint giving up my perfect frogstart"

>>166298961
Take luck
Research conjuration
Summon

>>166300969
>last 10 turns jumping around capturing n-time same provinces
Gets boring when I can't win a fight, although technically I am destroying my neightbours, by stealing their income.

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>>166301172
how's this?

>>166302175
literally unsalvageble

>>166302175
Shinu's best summons for ME/Summod scale and are mainly death, nature, and air. With those you can get tengu, oni, kitsune, Raijin, and Danzaburou.
Are you trying to go for a goldfish/ao oni build?

>>166302532
that totally helps senpai thanks
>>166302609
im going for the "i dont know what the fuck im doing so lets throw something together, post it, and get advice" build. ill be back with another.

Whoever was the guy that sent me a message a turn ago, I wanna talk to you on Steam. Invite sent.

Looking to trade for a thistle mace. Can pay for it with N or D gems.

Pan, did you really killed Ulm's army with minotaurs or something?

>>166273609
This.

>>166300464
Actually just tested it. Got 5 total events with O3M3, 1 of which was a luck event. This was across 24 turns.

>>166302175
It's awake, how is it going to expand?

>>166303450
Ooh, that sounds mildly interesting. Too bad I still have like a dozen more indy provinces to take.

>>166299817
If you have Mis 3 you will never get a national hero, ever.

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>>166301172
>>166302609
v2. since research seems important for this race i chose an awake pretender with high research (great sage). what else should i change?

>>166304164
Thats a lie.

>>166282883
Without. To be honest, most nations should aim for significantly more than that. With an awake, it's embarrassing if you can't hit 20 in a test.

>>166304208
Given the high gold and resource cost of your Dai Bakemono you want high Order and Production scales. The Old Age of your Bakemono Sorcerers means you want high Growth scales too. You have no recruitable sacred troops so a high bless is questionable, which means you want a scales build or awake expander. Shinu doesn't have a pressing need for an awake expander, but it never hurts.

You don't have many units to research early so awake is a waste. Due to the wide path availability on your Sorcerers your Pretender can start Dormant or Imprisoned without losing much in site searching eithr. They can cast most of your national spells too, the only thing you really need is A2E1 to summon Dai Tengu, however going to at least A4E4 will give a nice mage bless.

Expand with either small amounts of Dai Bakemono or large stacks of O-Bakemono and archers before switching to producing Dai Bakemono for your first war. ME doesn't really add much to Shinu to worry about early game. The Yuki-Onna autocasts Mist which can be useful against ranged armies but it can be summoned by a Bakemono Sorcerer.

Summon wise ignore the Oni, they are pretty terrible. Late game you can ramp Dai Tengu > Raijin > Air Helmet > Air Queens. You want enough Dai Tengu and Kitsune to drop the big buffs on your armies late game, plus you can get pretty much any paths you need through summoning.

>>166304208
Again, you're taking an awake god.

How. Is. It. Expanding.
>>166304361
If you can't hit 20-24 provinces in a vacuum, you stand a good chance of getting cucked into irrelevancy in a real game. Its not a certainty mind, but it means that if the provinces have tough indies, or people expand toward you, you've probably lost. If you can't even hit 12-15 in a vacuum, don't even bother playing.

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>>166305628
>If you can't even hit 12-15 in a vacuum, don't even bother playing.
That's why that's given as the baseline for noobs before joining MP games with their pretender design

>>166303450
My minos didn't even reach my capital in time.

I don't even know what happened. They won the battle, yet routed almost all their troops, all my mage support managed to escape and for some reason only 1 archer remained to siege my capital.

And the only reason the fort wasn't automatically taken was because my pretender awoke in the exact same turn they won the battle as every unit was set on patrol.

Seeing six berserker centaurs holding 150 screaming german girls was a thing to behold.

Either way, this is the second army they've sent. The first one lost to indies hallway through. I'm not sure I'll survive the third wave, but i'll definitely try.

>>166305380
You got any advice for a ME Abysia? Or Abysia in general other than phoenix, fireball, fire elementals with fire in a jar and dumping all your gems into lamps?

>>166305753
Is that anime girl making gang signs at me?

>>166305852
And I won the third wave.

I'm honestly surprised.

>>166305380
I would like to add on you want to ignore all oni except the dai oni, he can cast some pretty huge battlefield spells

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>>166306381
forgot pic

>>166303791
well their capital now only has mage support left.

All dicks on the world exist only for my volla to fuck but she doesn't mind others taking the girls

>>166305628
30-35 provinces is mandatory if you have an awake pretender or strong sacreds, really.20-24 isn't even bare minimum.

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>>166307009

>>166308158
Ah, the German finally shows his face.

Ready to give up?

Or you wanna give it a last try? Third time's the charm.

Or you can retreat so both of us can lick our wounds and actually stand a chance of still winning the game

>>166307465
Sorry, I tend to test on 50 province maps, typically with 2 other AIs. They might expand like derps, but even they can usually ensure I get cut off before 30-35 provinces.

It did give me the worst feel when I literally ran out of provinces to take as EA Xibalba year 1 though.

>>166307009
>>166308158
>Actually making things that aren't White Centaurs and Revelers.

What fresh memes are these?

>>166309106
It's literally the reason multiple people moved to attack him. Building subpar troops on a cramped map is as good an excuse as any for war.

>>166309106
First time playing Pan

I derped in furst turn when checking up the troops at 2 AM and didn't bother to compare unit stats, some turns later a scout spotted one of my fights and announced in the thread.

That said Mino's didn't fail me once.

>>166309402
White Centaurs murder most things without fail, you always want as many as you can get.

I'd argue they're even worth getting if you took no bless.

Revelers are just mini-WCs and are the only other troop worth getting ever. They cause unrest but it's a small amount and if you're just sitting on them you're doing it wrong anyway.

>>166309106
To be fair, the undisciplined nerf is a pretty big deal. It might be worth using centaur warriors more now

>>166308158
>>166308504
What year is it? Do you guys just not believe in mages?

>>166309612
Nerf or no, I'd always use multiple-attack berserkers over an alternative.

>>166309585
>I'd argue they're even worth getting if you took no bless.
Agreed. Great troop for their cost even just with vanilla stats. But it's so easy to give them W9 and turn them into murder machines it's hard to say no. Innovative scales Pan can also be fun though.

>>166309612
The thing about revellers is that their effective cost (that is, how much you actually pay after the income decrease from unrest) varies based on where you recruit them. They're very expensive to recruit in your cap, and now that they're undisciplined I wouldn't bother getting them there over centaur warriors.

In EA, it's still worth getting them from most provinces, but when you've only got your cap or when you're countering raiders and moving them around through territory that you plan on hanging onto, Centaur Warriors will probably be better.

>>166309787
Centaur Warriors are also multiple-attack berserkers. Their attack density is lower, but they have much better stats including a high damage lance hit and great defence, and the fact that they're not undisciplined makes them better with AoE buffs in spite of having 2 rather than 3 per square.

>>166309585
Yeah, I know i guess it's early game enough for it to not really matter. Minos didn't fail to expand.

>>166309703
turn 12.

I recall losing two dryads to the first wave. I guess Ulm underestimated me and didn't bring mage support.

>>166310159
>turn 12.
Oh boy, early war. You're both fucked then.

>>166310573
>turn 12 war
Uh, its Archaea. So far these nations are at war of some sort I know about:

Kailasa, Lanka, TNN, Fomoria, Vanheim, Pan, Ulm, Oceania, Machaka, Xibalba, Berytos, Therados, Arco, Yomi. There are probably quite a few more.

>win battle
>communion went off perfectly
>enemy routs
>some fucker casts blink
>8 of my slaves tele into the path of the retreating enemy
MotherFUCK, now I see why people use the 5th slot to cast communion slave

>>166309993
>Centaur Warriors are also multiple-attack berserkers.

Oh herp, you're right. Well at that right it really seems like cost versus power. Undisciplined sucks but hey, morale-immunity always good.

>>166310573
Ulm was gambling on winning it on the first try. I think everything after that was throwing good money after bad

>>166310573
I know.

Trying to think a way out of it is fun as fuck tho

>>166305380
I like making my sorcerers immortal.

>>166310773
>Well at that right it really seems like cost versus power
That's the deceptive part, since the unrest increase is effectively like a super-high upkeep cost that depends on where they are. If you are using them to steadily push into enemy lands or raid with their stealth capabilities, then revellers are great. If you're fighting along your borders, answering enemy raiders, or even just building them out of your capital, I'd prefer centaur warriors. This is especially true of expansion, where using revellers will effectively just giving yourself a % income hit in your first few years before your dominion spreads enough to actually start reducing unrest passively

>>166310752
That actually sounds pretty cool. And if everyone is fighting early no one has a huge advantage unless they actually manage to get an enemy cap.

>>166310848
Yeah that's always when you get desperate and try i n n o v a t i v e strategies. Sometimes it works and it's cool. AI scrub don't know what they're missing.

>>166305380
v3

Yo Pan, you got a Steam account? Send me a tell, my Steam name is Aran Zeminir.

Does summod/me make Jomon any good or are they still heavily dependent on an Erf Snek?

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>>166311232
god dammit forgot pic
>>166305380
v3

>>166311418
>O2
Just take a temp scale or misfortune 1.

>>166311378
It buffs them directly, but their RoS access becomes much less common and they lose trapezing RoS. They still have the same fundamental weaknesses and a need to get UW to become a real nation.

>>166311578
Anything good they get from it?

>>166311418
Generally speaking one temp scale is almost free design points do to seasonal temperature changes.

>>166311418
>dormant snake
This means that it will not help you expand.
>no heat
Snakes require heat. Also, protip, almost every nation can dump temp scales all the way to - or + 3
>still using dom 4
This means you WILL get domkilled. Dom 5 is risky but doable if you intend to built plenty of temples. Dom 6 is average.

TAKE YOUR TURNS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>166311653
Cheaper summons, and some powerful uniques like the shrine maiden that summons free kami mages. Also a spear that casts volcanic eruption.

>>166311653
They get cavalry buffs and 8g shortbow archers if you don't like their 11g longbow archers. The Jomonese -1hp thing is also gone from the samurai. Tatsu get 3 in their random path instead of 2, and summons across the board are cheaper. They're largely minor changes overall, though. The only significant change to their expansion is that you can viably use a samurai archer + cavalry expansion setup with the archers acting as a lure to let cavalry hit the commanders.

>>166311060
Xibalba's awakened pretender took mictlan on turn 5.

this game really does feel like the chronicle of an announced ending.

>>166311238
w-will you send me the terms of my surrender

>>166312053
The shrine maiden and spear are ME

>>166312297
Dang

>>166312191
>Xibalba's awakened pretender took mictlan on turn 5.
Is the batman meme back?

>>166310752
You know wrong about some.

>>166311748
>This means you WILL get domkilled.
Not since the Dom change.

>>166312635
Nah, still pretty easy to take out dom 4. Just it won't be the first year now and will take a concerted effort.

>>166312358
Xibalba is surrounded from the seas by Oceania/Atlantis, who could likely fuck the bats shit up, since batman won't be able to retaliate with raiding.

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How's this for a MA Arco pretender?
The A4 and E4 are for elemental staves
The N4 and D2 are for Lamia Queens for turbo communions. Since he's imprisoned, he can craft a thistle mace the turn he wakes up, and other mages can craft slave matrices for the queens.
E4 also gives reinvig 2, so I can craft sacred shrouds for my lamia queens for even bigger turbo communions.
Dom 6 is good enough
O3 and G3 are, obviously for money
P3 is for shitting out hoplites or hyspatists
H3 is to help the Lamia Queens when fighting in my dominion
Misf 1 is low enough to not hurt too much
Magic 3 is to hit research goals quickly and to ensure that I have good communions up for when someone inevitably decides to stomp on poor lil' white boy.

I'm looking to expand with elephants and cardaces led by indie commanders, before transitioning to elephants and hyspatists once my capring is taken.

The lowest I've expanded to is 13 provinces by end of year 1, most I've taken was 20.

My research goals without an early war will be Tham 1 for communions, then Conj 3 for earthpower, then evo 5 for cascades, then conj 6 for lamia queens, then const 4 for matrices and thistle mace
My research goals with an early war will be thaum 1, then straight to evo 5, then alt for troop buffs.

>>166313703
Cardaces are a bit better at expanding w/ elephants since they waste two additional turns throwing javelins instead of going into melee. I'd also prioritize const4 instead of conj6 - you need a thistle mace (and your god) to get lamia queens anyway. Also, remember to get Evo6 and Thau5 for Mind Hunt in case of elvish tricks.

The design looks solid, though. Consider taking him dormant - Prod1 is enough for Arco and you really want to get some sitesearching done before turn 36. Alternatively, you can drop 1 point of Magic - your research is going to be top tier anyway and you still get that useful -1 to MR in your dominion.

>>166313703
>>166314754
Meant Peltasts instead of Cardaces, obviously.

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>>166311570
>>166311728
>>166311748
v4

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>>166314754
Conj 6 also gives me elementals, and I think that's more useful than anything in const 4.
This better?

>>166315297
I took F because F1D1 gives you flame skulls
Saw no use in B2, since he'd be my only blood mage
I get W2 fairly frequently, and it doesn't really work with my crosspaths.

>>166313703
Pretty good. You might be able to drop a point in magic and put it somewhere though, Arco already has great research.

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>>166315045
[MAGIC DUELS INTENSIFY]

>>166315045
Dom 7 is not necessary, can drop t 6. S1 leaves your pretender open to a one shot kill with magic duel.

>>166315045
Heat 3 is a little much. If you can drop Dom to 6 or 5 and claw back one of those scales its gonna be worth it.

S1 is a big no-no on Pretenders you want to use regularly in combat as an Astral nation will take the opportunity to use Mind Duel on some cheap mages and take you out. This is especially bad with Shinuyama as you don't get native Astral so you will have no other mages to shield him. Due to this you really want to increase that to at least 4. You can likely trade a point of Production for it, as you aren't Ulm Prod2 is probably fine.

Other than that an A4E4 titan is nice as it gives you Cloud Trapeze - Rain of Stones capability which can devastate enemies not prepared for it. Dormant means it should be online in time for your Conj5 research. Looks good.

>>166315297
>>166313703
I hate rainbows

>>166315297
Const4 also gives you all 3 penetration boosters for mindhunting and earth boots for earthquake traps. Ultimately, you'll decide what to focus on depending on how the game goes.

>>166315454
Yeah, F/D crosspath actually allows you to boost your F up to 5, giving you fire kings (and you can easily win the race for all non-blood unique summons).

Very good pretender, IMO. Good luck, fellow Arco player.

t. not Moat

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>>166315556
>>166315297
>>166314754
Settled on this finally. E3 is enough because with earth boots he'll easily be able to make staves.
Dormant, still the scales I want, the Magic 2 is gonna help with mind hunting. The loss of the reinvig isn't that big an issue, I guess.

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>>166315613
>>166315687
>>166315754
v5

Even Yomi is beating you

Abysia 2h file received
>Agartha Waiting for 2h file
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
Ur 2h file received
>Vanheim Waiting for 2h file
Yomi 2h file received

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>>166316214
This is the one I am currently using
I am losing
Just wanted to share
Kill the pinkmen for me

>>166316512
>dom4 with an immortal
oh god
why

>>166316512
so are you sayin that v5 is bad? what can i do to change it?

>>166316719
/domg/ hates having high dom for some reason