/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

Want to do a DaS2 playthrough again, this time with just enough offensive stats to powerstance Caestus and Manikin Claws (15 STR, 27 DEX, no INT or FTH).

Am I in for FUN or an uphill frustrating struggle?

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>>166054342
>>166054342
>>166054342


Kill yourself if you're a From apologist for Ornstein's plume.

>>166054636
Dark Souls 2 PvE as a whole is an uphill frustrating struggle desu

>>166054636
All there is to a lot of the DaS2 bosses is just timing rolls since they stick to you like magnets, so you should be fine.

>>166054792
I enjoyed it when I played it.
The only legitimately frustrating part is shrine of amana.

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>>166054792
No, killing your first great soul is an uphill struggle, especially since most people do Lost Sinner first.

Game is exponentially easier from there, other than SotFS where Iron Keep is literally 200% Artifical Difficulty.

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Xth for /ourguy/

>>166054938
>Iron Keep
True, I still had troubles like the fifth time through figuring out how to analyze the alonne knights attack patterns.

>>166054847
>>166054792
Yeah I figured it'll be a bit of a struggle, just want to know if the damage output at low stats is good enough to not take a day to whittle down everything.

I am planning on grabbing the stone ring at the start though, so maybe that'll be amazing powerstanced. Caestus with Stone ring is like 45 poise damage per hit. That's more than most fucking greatswords.

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11th for >thee succ

>>166054938
They made it so you are supposed to do Iron Keep later in SotFS. It's pretty simple if you can two shot the knights. They come at you one at the time then.

fc

>>166054964
>entire backstory is literally "SCREW THE GODS, I'M GONNA MAKE MY OWN CHURCH WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS"

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>>166055374
>haven't gone to a fc in weeks

a-are they still shit
i would like an excuse to play this game again

>>166055446
Sounds like King Henry the 8th.

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Truly a pillar of community.

>>166055446
no, his actual story is "the world is fucked but to fix it i will need to become the biggest asshole in soulsverse"

>>166055646
>streamers with those gaming chairs
my sides every time

>>166055374
you hosting?

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>5 phantom party

Pretty fun desu.

I'm at the swamp are near Farron wolf bonfire. Already extinguished two flames, where do I go next? There are huge monsters on sight in this swap and its scaring me.

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>>166046778
pls boys, does anyone know a good level to be at so it isn't a total cakewalk?

>>166056210

Just hit them. They are very weak.

>>166055523
bfs are dead

What's the point of absurdly easy bosses in dark souls 2? Or in any dark souls game. Like covetous demon and dragonrider, their attacks are so easy to dodge. Beating them doesn't even feel satisfying. I don't want all bosses to be absurd hard, but when they're a complete pushover it's lame as fuck.

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Hey dsg, does anyone have a black knight greatsword? Willing to trade some cool shit. In on PC

>>166056415
define cool shit I don't need herpes

>>166056415
place pass

>>166056532
High wall, pass DSG

>invade at crucifixion woods
>guy is sitting down at the steps in front of the ladder to farron keep
>gets up and points at the ground
>also sit down
>someone else invades
>we fight and I kill his ass
>two more people invade
>impromptu fight club goes on until I'm the only one left alive besides the host
>he drops a soul of a champion

is this shit common and was that guy a hacker, or was he just a really fucking cool dude?

>>166056327
You lied.

>>166056210
I can guide you, little boy.

>>166054792
Santier's spear is your friend. So is the raw lost sinner's sword. Both do as much (if not more) damage than equivalent fully scaled weapons.

Low stat builds generally require a lot of late game /NG+ equipment though (Rob/Flynn, clutch rings, flame weapon, etc.) I think this was to reduce twinking with agape ring so people couldn't max out their builds at low SM without going through gobs of late game content at low SL.

>>166054964
But that isnt havel?

>>166056532
Its down beside the bonfire

>>166056339
i'm still here!

>>166056210
start from the first bonfire and go right

watch out for basilisks when doing this

else go up the elevator and look for a burning chimney

>>166056532
Ty!

is it okay to spice GMB down to 25 faith or should I just use magic barrier? This stacks with SO and regeneration right?

>>166057014

There aren't enough bfs.

>>166057014
and who the fuck are you again?

>>166057148
It does not stack.

The lower your faith, the shorter the miracle will last. Spicing it down to 25 will bring it from 55 seconds to ~42 seconds. Just do 30 faith and use sunlight blade too.

If you want to max defenses, stack rings and save the points for other things, but once you have that, then invest in GMB afterward.

Magic barrier lowers elemental damage by 15%
Great magic barrier lowers elemental damage by 25%
Life Ring +3 (effectivley) lower all damage by 15%
SO lowers physical damage by 7 for every hit you take while active
Blue tearstone lowers physical damage by (effectively) 10%
Dispelling ring +1 lowers elemental damage by 12%
Quartz rings +3 lower (one) elemental damage by 25%

first run of DS3 what's the most fun meelee weapon to use?
no katanas please

>>166057996

Great Club.

>>166057932
do none of those three miracles stack with eachother?

>>166057996
lucern can be found pretty early

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does anyone want to trade their +5 Black Knight Greatsword for my +5 Black Knight greataxe?

+4 is fine too - and I have other slabbed weapons

>>166057996
For some reason I fucking love halberds in DS3. As soon as I got Gundyr's Halberd I never put it down.

>>166057129
I am so lost right now. To be specific I was referring to Old Wolf Farron bonfire and right now I'm at the door with two flames up. Need to extinguish one more flame.

>>166058391
Sending you a fax with it

>>166058391
booting up my amiga

Holy shit lads, just tried the Caestus +10 powerstance on my main at NG+3. With the stone ring I was stunlocking Alonne Knights and Gyrms. This shit is baller.

While the damage won't be as good since I'll have much lower stats, I think Stone Ring, Cloranthy, Giants for poise (light armour for rolling) and Ring of Blades, I think I'll have a pretty good brawler build. Engraved Gauntlets for the extra crit, lion warrior cape because fashion and either lion warrior skirt or peasant's trousers for the effects and fashion.

Thoughts?

>>166058414
>game calls it a halberd
>it's a fucking bardiche
thx memezaki

>>166058148
All spell buffs do not stack.The only buffs that stack are rings and weapon self-buffs (like dragon roar or channeller's trident).

Flash sweat will override GMB, for example.

>Spawning in Covenant Items
>Invalid Data Message [3]
>[3] No Warning if traded in immediately

So earn one legitimately. Go offline. Drop it and change the value to whatever. Trade in immediately. Go online. Anyone done this before?

Also, I got the Invalid message for doing obvious fuckups earlier. They don't increase data checking right?

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>tfw no head piece fits this fucking armor

>>166058414
Halbers in DS3 have great movesets.

>>166058690
>he hasn't yet tried mundane bone fist stone ring yet

it can get better

Use powerstanced mundane bone fists with Stone + Rob + Flynn + Chloranthy and sacred oath. At 20 in all stats it will do ~350 AR.

With one-two punch counter hits your fists will do 800+ damage.

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So does anyone have a +5 BKGS? I have equivalent items to trade - Im on PC

>>166059412
Sadly I don't have Scholar's or the DLCs so I don't have access to Bone fists or Flynn.

Seems with 15 STR/27 DEX I'll have 190 damage without RoB and +10 Normal. At those stats, you reckon making them Mundane or elemental would be better for me?

Bear in mind I'm not touching FTH or INT so assume like..9 or 10 in both.

>>166059580
Just farm one then upgrade it

>>166059637
just started NG+ but forgot to get titanites

If I summon a phantom and then proceed to rest at a bonfire, will the phantom disappear?

>>166059834
you can't rest when you have online activity in your world.
you can only activate them

>>166059628
Mundane depends on your lowest stat. Mundane Caestus is going to do about ~235 AR at 15 minimum stat, and 265 at 20 minimum stat. Probably not worth it because you lose more base damage with caestus than you lost with bone fist.

Regular Caestus will do 230 to 286 depending on your scaling.

But it sounds like you might want Vanquisher's seal, which gives your bare fists 200 AR and with no stat requirement.

>>166060162
I'd love to use the Vanquisher's but I don't have it in me to do the bloody covenant shit. I picked Caestus since it's the fastest way I can start the build off a fresh character. Just buy 2 from Melentia and get the Stone Ring right off the bat.

If Mundane ain't worth it, is it worth putting on Poison perhaps? Or Raw? Unsure if enemies will stay alive long enough to poison if I'm stunlocking them to oblivion with powerstanced fists of fury though.

>>166059348
tattered rags goes with everything.

EVERYTHING.

>>166060798
I'm not a faggot to put a dirty piece of cloth on my face.

>>166060625
I played vanilla ds2 with one of my caestus poison-infused a while back and managed to make it happen pretty regularly, against bosses at least.

has anyone here been banned for using CE to change a characters name?

>>166061057
Yes.

>>166061057
As long as you have more than one character, do it offline, and change the name to an equal length or longer name you will be fine.

>>166061057
Enjoy your win32.

>>166060998
Huh, I guess I can try that then. Caestus are cheap enough that I can afford to have a few different ones equipped anyway.

Bosses are my main worry due to my damage. I obviously can't rely on the stunlock so I was worried they'd take fucking years to kill (like Smelter Demon), but if I can poison them, that makes it a bit easier.

>>166061465
I can definitely tell you poison helps with smelter. Being blunt damage is pretty nice too.

>>166061057
nope. just do it with Steam offline

>>166060625
Poison could work. Make sure you level up your dex first to gain higher poison bonus and wear the rat covenant ring. It's not the most efficient way to poison, but it would give you better damage output for your fists.

Raw is a bad idea because base damage is so low:

Raw: Scaling is reduced by 90%, base AR increases by 15%

Mundane: Base damage is halved, scaling is reduced by ~80%, adds bonus damage based on your minimum stat (140 at 15, 170 at 20, 200 at 30)). Basically only good for high level caestus, claws, or bone fist, or for weapons with low upgrade level.

Elemental: Base damage is reduced 70%, and equal elemental damage is added. Roughly half the str/dex scaling is moved to elemental scaling instead.

Enchanted: Same as magic elemental, but is pure physical, with no base AR reduction.

>>166061705
you mean is reduced to 70% for elemental, right?

>Lose to gank squad
>Point up and spin
Is this the new well what is it

>>166061903
>he can't beat ganks

>>166061057
I did it offline, never got banned.
Got a warning but not for that.

>>166061531
Sounds awesome. I checked the wikidot and only 3 bosses can't be poisoned. Mytha's EZ, Vendrick's optional and Skeleton Lords... yeah that might be a challenge but I'm not too worried about them as you can control the amount of skellies.

>>166061705
Thanks a bunch anon, that sounds really good. It seems at 15/27 I'll be best served with Poison. Perhaps if I get my lowest stat to 15 or so, it wouldn't be much of an investment and I'd gain dividends from it still, but only after I hit the soft caps for the stats I need. Would be a nice boost for late-game!

Cute OP lol

>>166061879
If it has 100 physical AR it will have 70 physical and 70 elemental when infused with an element.

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>Run through Irithyll to get to Dungeon
>Talk to Onion bro on the way there
>Greirat is out scavenging
>Save Siegward from cell
>Beat Old Demon King to return Greirat
>He fucking dies because I went too quick with Siegward

FUCK

>>166061006
Reposting.

Is there ever a reason to use a sharp gem infusion?

>>166062565
SL 120 dex CMW builds

>>166062565
Weapons with E Scaling in STR and C in DEX usaully shoot up to A scaling when Sharp infused. Daggers, Twinblades, and Rapiers are good examples of this.

>>166062490
I really hate the quests in DaS3.

>>166062490
You can also get Patches to save Greirat in Irithyll

you just have to not buy the Catarina armor and then tell Patches that Greirat is in Irithyll

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Patch when?

>>166062349
Also 27 DEX is purely so I can powerstance manikin claws, but considering their drop rate I think I might just keep my dex at 16 or so and go pure Caestus.

They any good? Was thinking of a pair of them with Bleed.

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>>166062763
I already rescued Siegward. It's too late, I couldn't save him...

DaS3 SL120 PC FC when?

>>166062565
Crow Quills is better Sharp at 60 dex than Refined at 40/40. I also have a Sharp Carthus Shotel on my Pure Dex build to help pressure people that turtle when their HP gets low or who otherwise block a lot and play passive, and while it's worse than a Refined one, it's still decent for what I use it for. So yeah Sharp is not the best but it's not completely useless either. There's just very few weapons that shine better on Dex than on quality builds.

I never used it, but I think Exile Greatsword is better Sharp as well, or so I heard. Other Anons correct me if I'm wrong.

>>166062490
You can't go to dungeon you dunce. That's the only trigger that pushes Onionfuck out of the kitchen and kills Greirat.

>>166062789
Is the Black Knight Halberd as good as in DS1?

It used to be my main weapon.

>>166062490
You don't miss out on much, all Greirat really gets from his Lothric run are different bolt types. Unless you're an avid crossbow user, there's no huge benefit to saving him in Irithyll.

Farron GS or Wolf Knight's GS? Or just skip them entirely?

>>166063062
Yeah, well I didn't know that fucker. I've saved Greirat in three other play-throughs because I always killed Sillyman first and the first time I try something new Greirat gets fucked.

>>166062565
yes
they are excellent for mid-level dex builds
things like crow quills and talons, sellsword twinblades, exile greatsword, dagger are always better sharp than refined and it generally gives solid AR for SL~50-70 one-stat dex builds for vast majority of weapons

>>166063261
Artorias sword > artorias fanboys sword

>tfw you spent points in faith and now your character is uncompetitive.

>>166061903
I figure Point Up is "up yours" instead of Point Down being "stay down scrub lol"

>>166063246
Twinkling Titanite and Scales are important. I only needed three more Twinklies to upgrade my Onyx Blade to +4.

>>166063261
farron gs for fun
wolf knight for one of the best gs in the game and also fun

>>166054618

This is one of my biggest wishes and dreams but only if I remain alive afterwards even if broken

>>166063418
Just go to ADP

>>166061903
They just upboat your epik invasion :^)

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>>166063068
Hi there fellow Seath Cuteposter

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why is this fat fuck so fast

>>166063068
>>166063670
Go away

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>>166063107

It's not, because the BKH was broken and the most overpowered weapon in DaS1.

In Dark Souls 3, what weapon has the highest non-split AR at 40/40 Quality?

>>166063107
>Is the Black Knight Halberd as good as in DS1?
BKH in DS1 was garbage aside from early game. Outclassed by virtually all other vertical halberds.
In DS3 BKH is one of the best glaives, lagging only behind gundyr's.

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>>166063271
He would be fine if you didn't move the Onion. His blood is on your hands, you fucking degenerate.

What are some of your favorite bosses? Now somehow make them worst.

What are some of your least favorite bosses? Now somehow make them better?

>>166063695
more like why the fuck is he able to be parried? even in second phase?

so incredibly lame. also lucky players can be spared his kick combo too, it's not a guaranteed move

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>>166063363
faith is an entertainment

>>166063979
Black knight greataxe, followed by black knight greatsword and yhorm machete.

>>166064208
Thanks

Can anybody on PC help me transfer some weapons between characters?

>>166064196
>AoE spells were nerfed out of all things

>>166064162
accidentally found the way to parry him while trying to heal myself, this guy is still breaking my nuts so hard i had to take a break from the game, oh god why did i pump all these souls into faith.

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>>166056243
Fuck it going with 200

>>166064405
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/weapons
is your friend

>>166064086
O&S fight you one after the other, instead of at the same time.

Covetous demon regenerates health very, very rapidly. (Full HP bar every ~20 seconds or so)

>>166063363
Faith is a pretty hated build, its two main strengths, healing and buffing are very looked down upon, especially if you buff with Darkmoon Blade.

You deserve all the point downs if you just run away to heal though, I only heal when the enemy is playing passive and running away himself.

>>166064409
Sure. Where?

>>166064591
Highwall. Pass is dsg

>>166064589
DMB is a CMW downgrade anyway

fuck carthus

>>166064469
>>166056243

It has more to do with your equipment and how you're optimizing everything rather than your SL. Basically, the higher your soul level, the more handicap you have for making mistakes but the game's difficulty doesn't change.

150 is probably better than 200 if you're experienced with Souls and don't want to get bored. 120 or 100 would be a good challenge.

>>166063363
>people seriously think faith is uncompeditive
the word you're looking for is "offensive miracles," not faith

>>166064086
>>166064563

Covetous Demon would have been really cool in my opinion if you fought him in very dark, disgusting cave in the Gutter, dark enough that you can't see anything and you need your torch to see him. His appearance wouldn't have felt so out of the left field and would have been more fitting.

Making his attacks a bit more threatening like adding acid spits and faster melee or a charging attack would have also gone a long way in making that boss not suck.

What's the minimum/recommended SL for going into ashes of Airandel? Not looking to complete it, mind, I'd just like to get what loot I can and ideally get the valorheart.

>>166064783
How about faith is uncompetitve if you don't want to play with a bigger dick in your ass than backstepping soulmass mages

>>166064086
Dancer: the game turn into a DDR

Ancient Wyvern: the Wyvern brings you to a colosseum, you just have to survive (no estus)

>>166064415
when? I remember they buffing it before the dlc came out

>>166064881
As soon as you reach cathedral, use all your souls then suicide run to every weapon you might use. I do this with every character.

>>166064973
I meant compared to how they were in the other games

>>166064591
Thank you!

>>166064881
You can reach the DLC with your starting level, but in order to get valorheart you need to kill a boss. I recently did that on SL50 character. DLC is designed for ~70 level characters tho.

>>166064973
>(no estus)

so before the fight and music starts, the ancient wyvern just slowly bends over close to you and plucks your estus from you with its teeth?

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>>166065118
>so before the fight and music starts, the ancient wyvern just slowly bends over close to you and plucks your estus from you with its teeth?

That sounds very sensual Anon.

>spitting statues keep nailing me in the head

>>166064708
>just now saw that CMW actually adds 96% of spellbuff instead of 95 (according to fextra)
What the fuck, why are people using DMB? I mean yeah chimes scale better than staves, but you can just use the crystal chime and pyro to save on luck and vit in exchange for a better spell.

>>166063296
>exile
exile actually has more twohanded AR with refined at 40/40 than sharp, but still loses out on onehanded AR. It's probably better off with 26/40 sharp efficiency wise. Even the regular rapier comes out better as a sharp weapon with those stats as well.

>>166064932
I just like playing with an obscene amount of health but suit yourself

>>166065118
yeah, along with some vague descriptions in the boss weapons so that the lorefags can fill the plot holes.

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>>166063363
or is it?

>>166065339
dragons are not for sensual

>>166065380
>you can break the statues

>>166064086
>best
Kalameet: He randomly flies off and does his valley-wide AOE fire attack.
Looking Glass Knight: He has the power to pull people out of their current invasions and summon them into his mirror. Well, that might make him a better boss, but also a lot more unfair.
Donger Man: Those ghost assholes with the swords spawn from the columns he breaks, and can't be killed.
Sinh: Hitting his spear enough staggers him for a riposte.
Alonne: All his attacks can be parried into riposte.
Champ: He doesn't have a second phase, you literally just re-fight the tutorial boss.

>worst
4 Kings: Make them weaker, but let them all come at you at once instead of one at a time.
Pursuer: He actually pursues you and becomes stronger with a different weapon each time (also becomes unparriable past the first fight). Beating him drops a soul fragment that can be traded for one of his weapons, and unlocks the weapon he used in that fight for trade. Beating him the last time unlocks his armor at Maughlin's.
Ruin Sentinels: They intelligently surround you, support each other and combine their attacks, instead of waiting for Yahim to die and then fighting you 2v1
Covetous: I don't fucking know, just make him an actual threat, literally anything besides what he is now.
Demon of Song: Same as above, just make him not a fucking joke.
Abyss Watchers: Let Watchdogs who invade cross over to help them. Also make them un-parriable and un-staggerable.
Wolnir: Give him phases and make his weak spots a lot harder to attack.
Yhorm: Make the Storm Ruler do like 25-40% of the damage it currently does, and instead for a short time after he's staggered all regular attacks will deal normal damage to him.

Level 30 with +2 weapons is optimal for Farron right? I'm trying to get all the covenant unlocks

>>166065783
>worst
>Pursuer
He was a plain bagel like most ds2 bosses, but he was a pretty well made plain bagel, and the ballista thing was kinda fun. He had some wonky hitboxes, but the whole game did.

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I wish i played this game longer what the fuck happened?

I liked DS1 and played DS2 a good amount.

>>166065380
Oh it's hot

Oh it's REALLY hot!

>>166065904
Farming ghrus with 400+ item discovery at keep ruins bonfire is easier than waiting for invasions.

>>166065904
you can probably use +4. The red and white shield in the settlement is +1 when you pick it up, anyone who gets that can be invaded by +3 unless the covenant ranges are different.

>>166066035
oh. That's kind of disappointing actually

>>166065568
The one part of the Gutter I always dislike are the ones on the other side of the jump that you need a greatbow to break.

>>166065963
You could literally beat him by strafing right the whole time. I understand that he's potentially the first boss you meet and fight in the game, but he was still far too much of a joke, especially the 5-second parry.

>>166065975
You are burnt out.

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>>166065975
Two things, first the game, while much higher quality than Dark Souls 2, is also very linear, which limits its replayability a lot.

Secondly, quality builds get access to like 99% of the weapons in the game, so there's not much incentive to make new builds to try different weapons.

The game is very, very good, but replayability is its biggest weakness in my opinion. I have about 1000 hours on it because of PvP, though.

wew, dmb even costs more fp than cmw for some reason

>>166065783
>worst
>Ruin Sentinels
>Abyss Watchers

I don't like your opinion, Anon :(

>>166066437
Faith loses yet again. Nothing new

>>166066307
I guess I just didn't play through DS2 enough though in another sense, I guess it means I did if he really is that bad

What SL should I aim for to invade Sen's? Is 40 too high?

>>166066442
I guess you could just call them "could have been spectacular except for the execution" bosses, and not "worst." The atmosphere of those fights was pretty cool, but judging them simply as bosses, they fail the grade somewhat.

I lost a save file, would I get banned if I tried to modify a save to give me my levels and items?

>>166066550
Are offensive miracles shit at pve too?

>>166066887
Depends on the game and depends on what you use to modify it. Items? Maybe not. Level? Almost certainly.

Next time back up your save.

>make new character
>drop a weapon and an armor set for cosplay
>get to the part when Leonhart gives you 5 cracked
>use them
>get the orb immediately
>30 vertebra, 30 sunlight medals and 30 tongues later, I still haven't advanced past the settlement

why low level invasions are so fun
why can't I invade as a blue anymore

>>166066550
>>166066437
>>166066989

It makes me wonder if there's this hyper-defensive JP meta that people are complaining about where faith builds are overpowered, so they keep nerfing faith while NA players get really confused why.

>>166065975

>he only played 3 out of the 5 (60%, barely over half) games in the series

Man I pity you

>>166067449
Is DS3 longer than demon souls and bloodborne?

>>166066650
Abyss Watchers are pretty nice gameplay wise. They're a really good early boss, not too difficult but also not too easy, and being able to backstab and parry them makes sense since they're normal sized humanoids. Their moveset is good. I know several players who said they had a really hard time with them their first time. They're also quite fair for a gank boss.

Ruin Sentinels are a bit basic but fighting two at the same time can be challenging. I don't like how arbitrary fighting the first one alone and then the other two is, there's nothing telling you to stay on the first platform to fight the first one, so if you're a new player and always drop down, you're in for an unfair fight.

>>166067162
>hyper-defensive
that's NA

and not exactly, the reason why DMB is worse is because chimes are better. Yorshka's chime always has more spellbuff than any stave of equal investment

Though CMW is still better because you can cast it from the crystal chime, which on its own is almost efficient enough to use CMW to keep up with pure-faith chimes that using DMB. The trick is that you can throw on priestess AND scholar before you cast then swap off for ten extra fucking stat points whereas you can only add five if you're swapping with a single stat chime.

If they were worried about player being really passive they'd nerf regen and gentle prayer already.

People still lag stab
IN THE CURRENT YEAR

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>Decide to fuck around and relive the nightmare that is unpatched Dark Souls
>Find out the game was so fucked on release that you can only level up once per bonfire
I just wanted to see the nightmare of unrelenting dragon asses. What the fuck is this?

>Sunbroing a boss
>Beat the boss
>Host spams Thank You carvings

It's the little things

>>166066140
Swordgrass is the easiest covenant item to farm from mobs tho.

>>166067915
>level up once per bonfire

What? Was this a japanese exclusive thing? Because I played it before a few patches and remember you could level up whenever

>>166068181
Apparently it's just Firelink for now because I had plenty of souls for two levels and had to hit the Undead Burg bonfire under the drake to finally level up more than one level.

>>166067757
-actually I take this back, at high enough levels yorshka's gains like 20 spellbuff with 5 more sl whereas the crystal chime gains like 10 with 10, 55 faith yorshka's chime is better than even 45/45 crystal

>>166066997
I see plenty of youtube players who give themselves levels in ds3, I just dont want to get banned out of nowhere.

>>166067915
>people make fun of the "lol so hard" marketing of Dark souls
>they forget what Dark Souls was like pre-patch

>>166068548
why were the hollow soldiers in undead burg so fucking hard though it wasn't necessary

>>166068548
What sort of nonsense was Dark Souls pre-patch?

>>166068548
>could ninja flip at med roll
>hard

>>166068509
Then get a soul item and replace it with 99 souls of the great champion

>>166068880
>Poise didn't work except for enemies and bosses
There's a reason we got lots of patches beyond just "trying" to fix Gravelording.

>>166068880
Well that's when it went from hard to "I could do this blind-folded" easy. Not going to lie, I was one of those people that paired the fog ring and dark wood grain ring w/ chaos zweihander.

Where do people leave summon signs for grave tender? Can't find any at the bonfire or at the drop to the bosses area.

>>166068821
Enemies would aggro outside of draw distance, you could only level up once per bonfire rest, bosses gave a lot lower soul rewards, a lot of silly stuff would crash the game.

But there was a whole slew of exploits and glitches and spell swapping too, so it was intentionally harder but unintentionally easier because of all the poor balance issues.

Pre-patch DS1 makes Pre-SOTFS DS2 look fucking polished by comparison.

>>166069389
Usually at bonfire. Make sure you're not using a password and be at reasonable SL.

>>166069645
What's a reasonable SL for the gravetender & wolf?

Was SOTFS a free update for people who already had DS2 and the DLC? The reason I ask is because I'd like to get Dark Souls 3, but would rather would rather just wait for the GOTY edition, if I'd need to rebuy it.

how the fuck do I pvp using UGS and other heavy STR weapons? coming from primarily using straight swords, the attacks are so slow.

>>166069909
Gotta get beefy to take advantage of poise stacking

>>166069909
Put an estoc on left hand and then never press R1 or R2 again.

>>166069697
70 at minimum I guess. You should be getting coop activity till 200 without problems.

>>166069553
Don't forget enemies that drop rare shit like Crystal Lizards and Black Knights have the same style of drops that Demon's had so you could lose upgrade materials.

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The King's Field pastebin was written by a retard.

>KF1
>atmosphere almost nonexistent

>>166069883
There was a large patch for vanilla DS2 when the game came out, which added Aldia, but you still need to buy the dlc, and while I never paid much attention to what weapons get buffed or nerfed, all the big and more major changes were reserved for the proper SotFS edition, which came with the DLC.

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>mfw just got stabbed in the back by a random monster

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>PCfags paying for their DS3 only to get banned for absolutely no reason

I love skeletons more than anything
Catacombs of Carthus is the worst fucking area.

>>166069883
People with vanilla + dlc got a discount for scholar. If ds3 gets goty edition it's not gonna be any different than buying a regular game with season pass. It only happened with sotfs because of the next gen console release.

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>>166070435

>absolutely no reason

How do you spend souls when you want to stop leveling ?

I feel like PVP is just going to get worse if I go past level 95

>>166071171
DS3? In DS1 you'd upgrade your shit and stay low level if you wanted to twink properly.

Also I have pretty much all the items

>>166071171
Upgrade materials, resins, bombs, knives, moss

So can we all agree that DS3 was the worst of all the Souls games and the PvP is decisively unfun?

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Has anyone been invading in DS3 and suddenly their fps drop to 1, and then get kicked out of the game?

It just fucking crashed my whole computer, had to turn it off by the button, when the host almost died.

Twice it's happened to me today.

Never played a magic/ranged character in any of these games. What's a fun sorcerer build for Dark Souls 1?

>>166071483
No, DS3 took a huge step forward from DS2, although that isn't saying much. They went back to meaty, satisfying weapons and sound design. The PvE is some of the best, and the PvP is great.

>>166071483
>"can we all agree"
Post disregarded. Even if this weren't bait, you'd be wrong.

The addition of an actual difficulty curve is wonderful.

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There was a webm not long ago where a guy used a greatbow as a gesture. I decided to try dartcasting Hidden Weapon to make it look more like a gesture. Arrows don't turn invisible.

>>166071493
Seems like overheating cpu/gpu, observe your temps. Could also be a virus or dying hdd but I highly doubt it.

>>166072096
Try oni slayer arrows, they'll still be visible but less since they're thinner

>>166072096
just out of curiosity, could you webm that?

>arrive at final boss
>aw yeah, can't wait for NG+
>realize that I should tie up loose ends
>realize I should probably grind in preparation
>plan out all of the tedious shit I need to do before actually finishing the game
>lose interest and drop game
>months later
>want to get back in
>forget what I was doing on old character
>start new one instead

I will never actually get to NG+. Is anyone else stuck in this loop?

>>166072387
I have this really bad habit of making new characters when I hit the end of the game as opposed to going into NG+. I hate myself for it, but I keep doing it.

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Is this cut content?

What a fucking tease.

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>>166072387
>plan builds
>don't have time to do it
fuck

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>>166065118
And the only way you get it back is by killing it, only to realise you're merely another link in the cycle of eternal return light and dark.

>>166072096
It looks fine with the arrows otherwise you're pointing your fist at thin air and that's rude.

Faggot playing pre-patch DS. Jesus fuck the bridge is even worse since they aggro earlier and swarm the stairs if you try to bait the drake into killing the majority of them. And the piteance of souls you get from these fucks just reminds me that skeletons don't give souls until the patch.

>>166072197
I don't really think it's a hardware problem, PC was built only a few months ago and my temps are usually pretty normal. 200+ hours in DS3 and I've never had any fps drops before.

The first time it happened a guy invaded called I AM A HACKER, and people seemed to try black crystalling out when it started happening. Scay shit if it's people doing this./spoiler]

>>166072836
I especially have this problem with Demon's, because of having to get up to a certain level in magic to access spells, then needing to delevel to optimize stats.

>>166054792

Antisouls III is far more frustrating

>>166073209
I just find it very, very boring.

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>Londor
>Lordran
Really tickles my pickle

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>lordran
>lord ran
>lord land
>mfw

>>166072596
There's s ring there in ng+

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>>166073307

>Londor
>New Londo

hmm....

>>166073154
Hackers can't fuck up your game like that. Maybe it's a driver issue. Try updating/reinstalling your gpu drivers.

is there any real way to use dragonslayer greataxe and the swordspear at the same time?
im thinking of using something else after having gold for a while on arena with a pyro build
and im thinking of the dragonslayer weapons or just memeing with yhorms machete or the profane gs

I started playing DS1 again on PC after about a year and find I suddenly am not invading anyone or seeing any signs. Has anyone else had this problem?

>>166073885
Get DSCM.

>>166073762
buff the GA with the swordspear through the glitch

>>166074184
mean stats desu
i dont know how i would stat a build like that in regards of str faith and dex

Can someone explain to me the cons/criticisms of DS2? Been playing through the series and almost done with DS2, but I noticed a lot of hate for DS2.

Anyone care to spoonfeed a newfag?

>>166074368
Souls once you learned all of the traps is boring and predictable, people mistake discovering things for the first time with the game they played first being better

Do I need to get onionbro out of the well before I fight deacons?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12151493
http://www.strawpoll.me/12151493
http://www.strawpoll.me/12151493

This is a very important question

>>166074517
You have to open the shortcut to where all the never-ending zombies are. Then reload the area. Then you can find a certain recurring character and get back to him once you get separated. From there, you can buy armor he's got in stock that just so happens to be identical to Seigward's, or be a monster and kill him in cold blood for it.

Anyone up for arena duels? Pass is dsg

>>166074349
Probably something like:
Knight SL120 39/14/30/-/40/30/-/25/-

>>166074368
Mostly soul memory

>>166075096
saw someone recommending that on kekstra for the swordpsear, imagine it should work for the axe

are you not supposed to level endurance in das 3?

i don't see many people leveling it.

>>166074651
People will say DS1 because of Priscilla and Fair Lady.

>>166074368
This got brought up last thread.
It gets brought up all the time.
Sample responses:
>>166012594
>>166012680
>>166013001
>>166019039

>>166074368
It's a game that probably shouldn't exist. The resulting product is impressive in a way considering it's terrible development cycle, but really the game just shouldn't have had any sort of greenlight because most of the people involved didn't really want to make it.

I still really enjoy it though, like all these games. The only real con the game has that isn't something subjective or some sort of exaggerated criticism that could blanket the entire series is soul memory, because it really was just a bad idea in the way they implemented it.

>People in peeve's stream whining about throwing knives
?????

>>166075852
>watching streams
Better rev up that exit bag anon

>>166053961
>posting a coalburner

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Ok how much poise do i need to trade with a curved sword using a halberd

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>Playing Dark Souls
>Get invaded in Anor Londo
>My fucking face when because I have never been invaded playing Dark Souls before
>I'm using Lightning Zwei, he's using Lightning Uchi
>Summon Solaire but bite his bait into the two sentinels outside the main door
>Kill the Sentinels
>Kill him
>Invaded again
>Guy is using the explosive force spell, the winged spear, and a very bad connection
>Bait him into a corner and kill him too

It was kind of scummy to summon Solaire, but he didn't do much other than die to the Sentinels. Feels good.

>>166075351
please respondeth

>>166075537
Those two are pretty overrated honestly

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>>166077772
HOL UP

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>>166074651
Maiden in Black blows all other Souls waifus out of the water.

>>166078312
>that feet doujin of hers

>>166078312
Gross wax all over her face and smells bad. Also terrible fashion

>>166078312

Only thing Maiden in Black blows is Phalanx spears.

Yorshka best girl.
Doll second best girl.
Darkmoon Knightess third best girl.
Ciaran gets an honorable mention.

I beat all base game bosses in DaS3 by level 93 without girinding. Was I overleveled? I could have easily gotten to 100 if I didn't mess around with buying spells and armor in the lategame.

>>166079095
Yes

>>166079095

93 is a little bit over what's expected.

I think 80-85 is the average stopping point by the time you beat Soul of Cinder assuming you've fought every other boss in the game and know what you're doing so you don't dilly dally and accidentally grind against mobs.

But there's a pretty wide margin. 90-95 falls within that but is definitely going over. 100 is much, much over.

>>166071073
It's happened to hundreds of people. Just look it up.

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That was stylish as fuck.

DLC when

>>166079692

Already happened.

Are you telling me you don't appreciate Sif Jr. and Coldsteel and Smough?

>>166070248
What the hell? Fuck whoever made that shit.

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>>166053961
>Want to make mage character with Heysel Pick
>Need poise
>Fashion and character theme will be ruined thanks to poise minmaxing

Fuck.

>tfw Heysel will never suck you dry

>>166079659
>exiled greatsword
>fallen knight anything

pretty edgy there senpai

>>166075932

DSP streams are comfy AF

>>166079659
that anime end

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>>166080321
What slanderous attacks hast thou thrown against my good name, thou contemptible wench? Whereas I have risen even unto the foremost rank in the Royal Admiralty; whereas I have on many an occasion partaken in clandestine crusades against the Saracens; whereas by mine hands have fallen barbarians numbering some fifteen score; whereas I am most skilled in the ways of the ape warrior; whereas I am the premier marksman amongst all of our Kingdom's knights: Thou art in my sights but yet another quarry. The Lord be my witness, I shall smite thee as no-one under the sun hath heretofore been smitten. Dost thou deign to fancy thyself secure to cast thy spittle upon my face from behind the Spider's Veil? Then thou hast wandered into grievous error. Yea, even at this very moment, I am sending word across the land to my fellow Templars, and the provenance of thy scrivenings shall in short time become known unto me. A veritable maelstrom of vengeance is upon thy gates, thou wretched worm, which surely shall obliterate thy loathsome pretension of life. Truly, thou art foregone, child. I move as swift as the wind, and with mine own two hands I may at my pleasure slay thee in any of thirty and five score modes. For verily as I am a master in the pugilistic arts, even so doth the manifold armory of the Royal Guard lie at my beck and call, which in its plenitude of power I shall not delay to unleash upon thee, that thy fœtid flesh may no longer pollute this land with its presence, thou pitiful putrescence. Would that thou couldst have foreseen what great wrath thou hast by thy "brazen" jocosity summoned upon thyself! Perhaps thou wouldst have rather kept shut thy filth-spewing mouth. But neither couldst thou thus foresee, nor didst thou take heed of prudence, and thou art now reaping what thou hast sown, thou accursèd simpleton. I will excrete rage all round about thee, wherein shalt thou be consumed. Thou hast shuffled off this mortal coil, urchin.

>>166080348
Hows his DS1 redemption run going?

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>brume tower

>>166080524

He beat gwyn, manus, artorias, and kalameet in one attempt with a BKH

>>166074651
>Demon Souls

Into the trash it goes.

>>166071493
I invaded that world before. I dunno what is the point of the red flare, can't even see from most spawns, still cool though.

>>166081235
So he cheesed the whole game? Neat.

>>166081735
Hey, it isn't against the rules now is it? :^)

What should I be raising as a low level Cleric in DS2 other than Adaptability? I was advised to get that to at least 20 or so, but I also have some really horrid stats like a 3 END, 5 DEX, etc. And then of course I have my main stats. I'm a little more overwhelmed with decisions than in DS1. You guys have any suggestions?

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>>166080686
>x2 Axe Ashen Soldier leaps

>>166081938
Your standards so you won't play such a shitty game anymore.

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>>166081239
Some people have a thing for Karla and the Maiden in Black, you know.

>>166082412
Kek guess I walked right into that one. It's okay so far but I'm still near the very beginning.

Anyone else have any attribute pointers for me?

>>166081938
For starters, get your STR and DEX up to a point where you can reliably wield a regular physical weapon. Don't splurge into those stats yet though, just enough to use a weapon and keep it there until you find a weapon you like.

END you may want to notch up somewhat just so that you have the stamina to roll and swing your weapon more than twice. Offensively FAI is pretty shit until much later.

At the beginning, VIG is probably the most important stat you can get just so that you can survive. ADP is important too but you won't need to use your rolls all that much until you get to the first boss, and as a Cleric you have a bit of ATN to help you out slightly in that regard.

It sounds counter-intuitive, but you don't want to start pumping FAI unless there's a spell you need or you get a Lightning or Fire-scaling weapon (there's two of the former available early on in the game depending on how good you are at getting drops). In the beginning, focus on physical survival and dealing physical damage, the rest will come into play later.

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>>166082813
>Karla
We are talking about DEMON'S Souls, right?

>>166082813

>Completely forgot about Karla

Karla best girl.

>>166082868
You don't need 20 adap right away.
No idea how you have 3 endurance when you start with 9.

Two hand the mace. Increase str/vit/end/adap as you see fit, you're probably not going to get much out of miracles in the early game.

>>166083024
Nah m8 Cleric starts with 3 End. I actually did throw in the one point of strength needed to one-hand the mace and use a shield, and I'm glad I did. So hold off on faith until I have my basic physical stats at more useful levels you say?

>>166078312
How can she see with no eyes??
SoulsBorne confirmed??

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>>166083395
>not maxing faith over everything else
fuck off back to r/atheism fag

>>166084447
*tips*

>>166083395
That mace will be good enough to get you past most stuff you'll expect to encounter, so your current levels of STR and DEX will suffice. Until then you'll want more VIG and END, around 15 VIG and around 10 END should be okay for the first boss.

There is a FAI-scaling weapon you'll find in the first level, it's moderately decent but isn't something you should spend time upgrading. It'll get you past most stuff you'll encounter in the early game, but some of the tougher enemies in a later level will have something much better for Clerics, if you can get them to drop it.

Also, don't worry about Soul Memory or anything like that yet. Everyone will ruin their first character for PVP while they're figuring stuff out, just play the game as if it's single player.

>>166083395
Yeah, offensive miracles are pretty bad and you won't get good ones until later.
Soul appease rips apart hollows though, including enemy players who are hollow.

>>166063882
>the most overpowered weapon in DaS1
that's not the chaos blade

I want to use heavy weapons and still be able to cast the good miracles, my build ended at level 90
is that too much? pvp for end game stuff starts at 80, right?

>>166084876
He probably meant for PvE.

>>166073526
New Londo Ruins
Londo Ruins
LondoR
Londor

>>166082813
>Demon Souls

>Demon

>>166071171
Leveling is usually the last thing I spend souls on. Only level up once you've already gotten all the equipment you need and there's nothing left to upgrade/buy, or if you need to level to use that equipment.

>>166081938
>Enough health to restore 3/4 a bar with 1 estus use (the extra fourth is for hollowing or surviving certain attacks)
>Enough weight cap to equip a heavy (or medium) set of armor and your weapons while being under 70%
>Enough stamina to attack 2HR1s (or 1 2HR2, whichever is higher) twice and roll
>Enough Str/Dex/Int/Fth to use the weapons you want to use right now
>Enough Attunement and ADP to get your agility to 92, 96 or 99, ideally 105

Once you have all of that, start putting points into whatever your weapons of choice best scale with

>>166081938
Oh also, be very careful about what you upgrade. The game only gives you about 30 regular titanite (max) until about the "Quelaag" (1/3rd into the game) point. Until then you can actually completely run out of titanite and be unable to upgrade new weapons.

You can respec your stats later, up to about 5 times per playthrough.

>>166087296
So far I've just upgraded my mace to +2. No harm there, I'm sure. Thank you for that word of warning though because I wouldn't have seen that coming and in DS1 I totally got carried away with upgrading shit whether I needed to or not.

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THE CHAMP IS BACK AT IT AGAIN POGCHAMP

>>166087618
Dark Souls 2 in general gives the players many more options to tweak gameplay (stamina and weight cap are different stats, roll distance and roll iframes are different, etc.) but limits how much you can do simultaneously.

The game gives you more places to go than DS1 (there's 5 paths you can access after the first boss) but each path/place is more linear.

It also punishes min-maxing more, since stats "pull" on each other. There's a lot of stats that give you less benefit if you haven't improved other stats. In Dark Souls 1, any time you level up you increase your defense and that's how the game keeps you from entering other areas too early. In Dark Souls 2, you ONLY get the benefits for the stats you level up, specific to those stats, but each stat increases more things than in DS1 (dexterity increases dex scaling, physical defense and poison damage, for example) so you have to level everything up in order to get the max marginal benefits.

Also, most weapons have both a elemental, strength and dex variant (straightswords have a dark, fire, bleed, lightning, magic, strength, dex, AND quality versions that all share similar movesets!) and all elemental infusions provide equal output for the level investment, in different elements.

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>>166088618

>>166087618
>>166088618

Scaling also works differently. It applies a % based on your "Bonus" stat, rather than a % based on the base damage like DS1. This means scaling matters more for lower AR weapons than higher AR weapons. Your scaling is a % of the

Dex scaling is lower than strength scaling for the same letter.
S = >100% Strength or Elemental, >60% Dex
A = >80% strength or elemental, >45% Dex
B = >55% strength or elemental, >35% Dex
C = >35% strength or elemental, >25% Dex
D = >20% strength or elemental, >15% Dex
E = >1% strength or elemental, >1% Dex

If a weapon has native elemental damage, infusing with the same element raises the letter caps by 15%. Infusing with an element that's different (including infusing a non-elemental weapon) that element's scaling letter caps are lower by 15%

There are ~10 weapons with S scaling in dex, but they actually have closer to 70% to 100% scaling. Chaos blade, blacksteel katana, loyce greatsword, etc.

Also counter damage applies to all attacks, not just thrust. If the counter modifier is 130, that means that hitting during an enemy's windup phase will do 1.3x damage. Leo ring still only applies to thrust attacks though.

I fucked up the Anri questline. Is there any way to cheat to fix it? I don't want to make a new character.

>>166089119
unless you want darkdrift and/or morion blade there's literally no reason to bother doing it

>>166089119
NG+

>>166089163
I don't need it for the usurp ending?

>>166089167
I guess theres always that

>>166089295
that's not something you should either need or want

but yes, yes you would indeed need it then

>>166089449
but muh cheevos

>invading
>see invader vs host
>come in and help invader
>he stops and attacks me instead

fucking honorfags dont you think the host has enough advantage already?

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this should be the farron greatsword R1
bring back the old weapon art
L1s should be unparriable
change the R2 to thrust
improve the recovery on the 3rd L1

>lag switching in undead match

You REALLY gotta win those

>>166089675
>he still plays DS3
What did you expect

So is the Sage's Crystal Staff the strongest only if you use the weapon art first? Or am I mistaken?

What is your guys' opinion on nier?

I was thinking of picking Nier, Dragons Dogma, and Demon Souls up for the PS3, especially since a new Nier is coming out soon.

>>166090232
Dark Souls 3 is an amazing game, and it's nice that you can have multiple invaders in the same world. Makes way to really unique situations. Doesn't change the fact that the other invaders are usually really bad at best and outright hostile at worst, but that's an issue with the playerbase and not the game itself.

Of course you're just mindlessly memeing against the game.

>>166090450
Nier is great. The gameplay is rather bland, but tolerable, but the story is what really makes it shine. Very unique and well done, and told in an interesting way. Be sure to do NG+. If you're a completionist, some of the sidequests are rather annoying, but you can just ignore those.

>>166090232
>>166090479
>but that's an issue with the playerbase and not the game itself.
This also isn't exclusive to DS3. You go into the forest in DS1 and like 60% of your supposed allies will just sit by and watch as you get murdered by an SL300 havelmonster and let him chug to full afterward. The whole franchise is blighted by these fucking retards.

>>166088787
>Dex scaling is lower than strength scaling for the same letter.
>S = >100% Strength or Elemental, >60% Dex
>A = >80% strength or elemental, >45% Dex
>B = >55% strength or elemental, >35% Dex
>C = >35% strength or elemental, >25% Dex
>D = >20% strength or elemental, >15% Dex
>E = >1% strength or elemental, >1% Dex
They do complicated shit like this and yet dex weapons are STILL always OP.

God how hard is it to just not give them such high fucking base damage?

>>166088618
Wow you make DaS2 sound like it didn't suck dick.

>>166091013
Dex weapons are always better in PvP because speed trumps power.

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>>166090479
>Dark Souls 3 is an amazing game

FC where?

>>166091013
The most OP weapons are dex weapons.

But on average, most dex weapons in DS2 are trash.

Dex weapons are only OP in DS2 because they have high post-damage modifiers, which makes them get insane damage boosts from RobFlynn or Buffed+infusion.

Every 1 AR given to a Rapier increases 1HR2 counter hits by 1.48 damage (148 damage from RobFlynn)
Every 1 AR given to a Claymore increases 1HR2 counter hits by 1.1 damage (110 damage from RobFynn), and the claymore is slower, heavier, etc.

But most dex weapons are trash because their counter modifiers and moveset modifers aren't good enough to make up for it.

What they should have done was made counter modifiers relative to the wind-up time of the attack, so that to get a high counter you had to predict opponent attacks further and further ahead.

Make the base damage (plus scaling at 40 in each stat it scale with) equivalent to the total time from start to finish of the attack (DPS, essentially, and vulnerability frames)

Make the poise damage based on weight of the weapon

Make the length of stagger (once stunned) based on the cooldown time for the weapon (more poise damage = more vulnerable if you miss)

But instead of doing things like this, From balances the weapon mechanics based on how they want to punish/reward certain playstyles in PvE, and how hard it is to obtain or equip certain weapons.

Pyromancy Flame left hand, Dark Hand right hand is the most fun I've ever had in this game. Shame the Dark Hand doesn't scale well and can't be upgraded.

Is frozen weapon or snap freeze actually any good?

>>166091959
>Dark hand doesn't scale well
It gains 70 ar for 32 points in int/fai, whats bad about that?

>>166092153
Snap freeze is great for area denial and giving you space to regen stamina. Being frostbitten is pure hell for people when they're fighting mages, especially Deep Soul spammers. I'm also not entirely sure about this but I think you can drop a blizzard on top of two people while they're in the middle of the riposte animation and it can still apply the frostbite for when they get up. Frozen weapon is garbage unless you make a build focused entirely around frostbite buildup, and even then you could just get the irithyll sword/rapier.

>>166092153
>>166092374
Forgot to add that snap freeze also has way more range than it looks like, about the length of 2 soul greatswords.

>>166079659
top 10 anime fights