World of Warships Admiral /wowsg/

ded gaem

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1st for blue fuso

Is there a point in using HE on Graf Spee?
Thing has such slow reload I can't spam and hope to start a fire. Maybe should just bully cruisers and BBs with AP all day?

>>165918045
AP all the way, unless you see bow-on T8 BBs

>>165918045
subpar pen but noticeably better that any cruiser ap. have fun with ap all day, just remember it can do 3k damage per he shell on DD

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summoning MOA_WINGS
do you still play this garbage?

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>working all day these days so I'm late with convoy
>finally unlock Farragut today
>hear a faint eagle caw
>look outside
>eagle is perched on a tree next to my house
>up in the skies 6 B52s fly over with trails of red-white and blue
>WTF
>go back to botes
>see that this is the random captain I got with it
>a single tear streaks down my cheek because I've been blessed by FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE
>but I was also tasked to spread the glory of United States of America in each game I play
I'm still emotional, God Bless you all /wowsg/

>>165918362
t. american

>>165918362
Does it come with free Colt 1911 tho?

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>be shite at gaem
>loved tenryuu, the 8th grader of the sea
>was there for kuma maymays
>liek mogamin, the boy wonder
>get to iBuki
>its a wowderful ship with bb range
>lookit at thise torps go, i can actualy stealth torp
>90 games later, key ship ibuki
>all status light blue
>get to be unicum every other game
>precisionista name drops me to join botes
ima gon marry this bote, i cant belive how much ass pounding it took from me

cant complete santa convoy and i really wanted leander, fucking kill me

>>165917691
>EU Channel: "Official /vg/ channel", password is "vidya"

I removed the password.
>>165841247

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>>165918818
Gotcha, I'll fix it for next thread
I sorta forgot the Russian DD's too so I've got a few things to do!

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>>165918875
Is the Rising Sun flag the most aesthetic in existence?

It's coming friends.

Also teamkill mosh.

>>Be so so maymay BB captain
>>Be slavewagey cuck so can't rush the Spee missions
>>Unlock the Spee at the very end before the campaign ends

I really wanted the Fuso and Leander but all is well in the world. The Spee is a very fun bote. It handles like a fat kid in summer camp but hits like a champ.

>>165918973
deployed now? fuck, I wanted a go at the missions again

graf pay had tanked my stats too. cant cope with slow reload

>tfw can't get out of red BB hell

>>165919094
skipping miojo and kawaiichi grind by itself is likely the best of fusou

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Tier VIII Italian Premium Littorio Class BB Roma when?

will the missions be available tomorrow or do they end tonight?

why does this game patch so slowly
the fucking download speed slows down the closer you get to being finished too

>>165917691
>because you can't buy the Scharnhorst
Laughing_EU.jpg

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>>165918949
>>165918875
No.

>>165919164
I sold the miojo out of frustration. It's a BB that shotguns like a Wyoming but has only 3x2s.

Good luck hitting anything at all

>>165919479
Oy vey!
>>>/pol/

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>be Tirpitz
>Twin Brothers map
>team splitting evenly
>heading towards the A cap with several other ships as support
>suddenly all smaller ships around me do a 180 turn
>about to be left alone, gotta turn before I get focus fired
>but I can't; enemy bombers headed for me
>suffer some damage, get focus fired to death
>the team is just sitting inside the spawn cap
>they get flanked on both sides and die

>>165919490
i free expd to mombote because i wanted into cv

worse decision of my life

>>165919490
The moment you hit bongo is instant gratification though. And it gets even better with upgrades.

>>165919820
Bongo is a decent bote and certainly better than the previous ones, but even she has been a little underwhelming lately, probably because of the MM changes compared to back when she got to be a bully more often.
Meanwhile the Fuso is probably one of my favorite ships at the moment, even with the shoddy T6 MM. She feels like she's where the line really takes off and becomes great, I guess because she's amazing in the rare cases that she's top tier while also being able to punch up when she's mid/bottom tier decently well too.

>>165919820
I believe you. I got the Kirishima and it is a comfy ship to sail.

One of these days I'll bring myself to reach the Kongo.

>now have a clan tag in front of your name in every chat room
>including the clan chat
Who thought this was a good idea?

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>>165919479
Lad...

>>165920325
Is hard to code((((((

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>>165919479
>not even the best german flag

LADS
Fire prevention, CE, or BoS for my last Bisko skill?

>>165919479
You do know that this is the only side of warfare that the aryans can't brag about right?

They prefer to skulk underwater like little bitches.

>>165920558
CE for 13km concealment memes

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Post em lads

>>165920586
That was the best decision they ever made.
Instead of building tons of useless battleships and cruisers, they chose to invest in the future of naval warfare.

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>ANNO DOMINI MMXVII
>still no Regia Marina

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>>165920616
>12.3km concealment with 10.6km secondaries
This is going to be disgusting.

Meanwhile I know I should probably take SE and BFT for my Fletcher captain but it feels like I'm going to get fucked by Radio Locator if I don't take it. What do?

>>165920831
try to live with RL but without BFT, see how bad you are screwed. it is only 16 gold to respec

Modules survivability or that tracker that tells you number of ships targeting you, on USN CA. Everything else feels useless

>>165920831

FUCK WHY WOULDN'T THEY ROLL THE PATCH OUT FOR ALL OF US WHY IS EU WAITING FUCK FUCK

>>165921137
NA always gets patch day earlier

>>165921131
But you're a cruiser and you should already expect everyone to aim at you.

>>165920026
german BBs made bongo somewhat underwhelming. she is the better BC but agaunst a brawling german it just falls short.

once you get used to bongo you just cant adapt to usn BBs. she has range and speed, she can dodge and still alpha with a nice pen. shes that good.

>tfw no 19 point captain

>>165921215

Yeah, I just don't understand why.

It's like digital games being released on Wednesday in the US vs Friday in the EU.

Who gives a fuck. Release everything Wednesday then, it makes fuck all difference.

>>165921035
I've decided to try RL on my Gearing and go SE + BFT on my Fletcher.
I guess I'll see which one gets fucked the worst and go from there.

i want dasha to fart in my mouth and degrade me in russian

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>last game before unlocking Freddy
She's a good bote

>>165920831
SE + Torp Armament Expertise for torp memes
SE + BFT for gunbote memes

>>165921137
:^)

>>165921137
NA are beta testers for EU :^)

My goodness RDF is broken.

>In my Fletcher
>another DD is trying to sneak up on me.
>know from miles away yet he keeps coming.
>eventually just slow down near the corner of an island.
>proximity spotting pops off.
>it is already to late for him since my torps in are in the water.
>kill
>repeat with every other ship.

GG WG now please remove this broken shit.

>>165921805
DD of OP
(
need another hardcounter))

>>165921805
No no. RDF is not broken. You see, not all will take it, so it is not broken.))))))
Besides enemy DD knew that he was spotted by RDF and still tried to be in front of fleet? He totally deserved that))))))

>>165921805
Ask yourself honestly. Could he sneak up on you without RPF?

>get Bastion as my first game post-patch
>trying out RPF and Priority Target build because I have no fucking clue what I'm doing right now
>contesting 2 cap against 3 DDs with a DD of my own milling about around the cap too
>I always know where at least 1 of their DDs is despite none of them being spotted, and despite getting spotted repeatedly I never have to worry about getting shot because anytime PT tells me people start targeting me I can just duck behind cover before popping out again when they change target
This feels like way too much information just for doing nothing.

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friedrich der groBe

>>165923520
ß

>>165923715
friedrich der groBe ß?

IFHE or concealment expert on the atlanta?

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Oh god 6.0.0 is here what the fuck do I do with all my captains

I can free XP the last few thousands to Friedrich right now if I want to

she'll be my first T9

what am I in for

>>165923823
>IFHE changes her pen from 21mm to 27mm
That might be kind of hilarious desu.

>>165923867
Don't do it son, you're REALLY going to want that free XP for unlocking her upgrades, and Bisko is fun anyway. She's way less fun too because >high tier BBs

>>165923856
you respec them
http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc
I suggest you use this to not fuck up

>>165923957
But I don't know what to take!

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>>165923957
BUT WHAT IF I FUCK UP ANYWAYS

>>165924070
ship/future ship?

>>165923823
>>165923941
Oh yeah, I'll mention that the change there is significant because it lets you go from only penetrating BB superstructures to being able to pen a lot of BB hull plating, which is 25mm at that tier.
In fact this sounds so silly that I'm going to try it right now.

>>165924116
I'm taking concealment first because I don't want to die horribly that quickly.

>>165924107
you can respec for 1 gold/point. Premium shop is ----->that way

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>French BB line still not announced

>>165924112
Everything I've kept in port form Tier 4 to Tier 7

>>165924254
>he says for the umpteenth time, not knowing everyone with 2 brain cells has filtered him

>>165924112
Yamato, Fuso and Kongo on BBs
Farragut and Akatsuki on DDs
Graf Spee and Furutaka on CAs

>want to try dumb new Atlanta build
>T9 heavy game on Ocean
EPIC
JUST
EPIC

>>165924070
>>165924107
Then read up and ask meaningful questions

>>165924369
you certainly havent

>>165924369
>not knowing everyone with 2 brain cells has filtered him
>he says as he replies to him

What skills should I take for the UK cruisers?

>>165924371
preventive Maintenance
EM
SI
AFT, manual secondaries for Tomato. (If you are into secondaries)
Same skills in T1-3 + CE for dank stealth bongo memes.
idk about everyone else.

>>165919191
>15" guns with 45 second reload
What the fuck was Italy doing?

>>165924525
EL+DE+IFHE

Here's a more serious build: [http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/10000000010010000000110000000011/spoiler]

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I'm torn between getting Catapult Fighter or Priority Target as my 1st skill on a Stealth AA build for my USN BB.

I still have 87 Dragon Flags left just in case.

>>165924730
its best.

>>165925441
Priority target might be useful for knowing how many DDs are around, provided you're the juiciest target around.

>>165925441
i think priority target is nothing but a meme. it may be useful for cruisers or DDs that get close up but for a BB?

Manual AA or CE on my Arizona/Texas captain? MAA doesn't do anything for Texas but it feels like it might really help out Arizona's anemic AA by at least bringing her long range AA dps up to 116 at least, on the other hand 12km concealment seems pretty good too.

>>165925529
Doesn't really work for that because they're not necessarily going to target you and you have no way of telling if it's them or some other BBs/CAs behind them that are targeting you or not.

>>165925441
If you are going AA, I suggest preventive maintenance, so that HE spam would destroy your AA mounts slower
>>165925796
>12km concealment on BB
you don't get freedom boner just thinking about it?

>secondary build yamato now gives 97 AA

neat

>>165925964
you took BFT?

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>>165925964
>secondary build yamato

>>165925686
>>165925529

I like to sneak around with my NC/Iowa for flanks. I sometimes get detected for a few seconds.

Priority target would tell me if somebody noticed me long enough to get a target lock but not enough to fire at me.

That knowledge would help me relocate as needed.

>>165925940
>12km concealment on BB

It feels dirty. You literally have Cruiser detection range and with your speed, you can get to locations fast enough to catch enemies at very vulnerable positions.

I can't count how many times I've 1-salvo deleted broadside BBs and CAs just because they never expected me to be there.

>>165925964
>secondary build
enjoy your <100 secondary hits on a T10 battle

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>>165925940
>12km concealment on BB
It's not a freedom boner but I sure am getting some kind of boner over this right now.

>>165926214
>and with your speed
21knts on Standard BB.
Though Bayern with CE is a meme in it's own right
>>165926315
Superior engineering boner?

>>165926315
What's your detection when secondaries fire?

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>>165926315
>12km detection Bismark with secondary build

>>165926357
>21knts on Standard BB.


Iowa with speed flags is hilarious. Literally faster than some CAs.

>>165926454
13.6km

>>165926539
>tfw no secondaries fire before you're even spotted
It could have been great.

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>>165926248
>less then 100 hits in a tier X battle

lol

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>inna bisko
>pushing into a cap
>hit hydro
>spot torps coming my way
>start holding A to turn into them
>shoot at a cruiser not too far away
>zoom back out
>still going in a straight line
>holding down A did nothing
>have to press it 2-3 times before it registers
>die to a wall of torps

>>165926315
I just realized that my Baltimore has only 10.8 concealment.
And If I will want to get fast rudder in Des Memes, I'll have worse concealment. The future looks sad for CA. :(
>>165926579
Kiev?
>>165926487
He was talking about Arizona. Yes you can get 12km concealment in Arizona/NM. Surprize 12guns rape. Just angle))))))

>>165926739
Should have pressed Q and E.
It happened to me too.

>>165926672
show team score then

>>165926739

I fucking hate that bug so much.

>>165926672
>Only 2 citadels
You are a disgrace to Hotels

>>165926739
>>165926784
>>165926808
Thank fuck I thought my keyboard was bugging out or that I've gone mental.

>>165926672
>1 game
Why not just play a Bismark instead of gimping the best main guns in the game and giving up survivability in T10 on a BB for a situational meme build?

>>165926739
That shit has been around since CBT and I have no fucking clue how they haven't fixed it yet.
Christ knows how many times I've started turning early to deal with TBs or something only to have my rudder just never fucking work.

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>>165926739
>Mfw

>>165925686
I honestly think Priority Target will only be good for funny meme screenshots to see who can have the most number of ships targeting them at once while you post a caption like "this is fine".

>6" IFHE will now absolutely melt battleships
>Atlanta IFHE with its massive DPM will melt T7 and under battleships
>Gneisenau secondaries IFHE melt Iowa
>IFHE offers no counterplay other then not getting hit
>Not like AP where you can angle to increase armor effectiveness and ricochet chance
>IFHE 203mm able to penetrate Iowa/Montana decks and USN/IJN T9-10 upper vertical hulls

Before you either had a choice, use AP on broadside targets to do direct penetration damage, or indirect damage via starting fires with HE.
Now HE is able to damage BBs and still start an infinite number of fires.

This skill along with RDF is really to appeal to low-skill players.

>>165927174
than what do you suggest for USN CA? plane is kinda useless, as you have radar. And nobody in right mind will take plane over radar.

>>165927174
I've only played a few games with it in DDs so far by PT has been more useful than I was expecting, I've been able to stay spotted but just duck in and out of cover and shit just because I always knew exactly how much danger I was in. On the surface it seems like it's just something a good player should be paying attention to anyway, and I always tried to keep track of who had their guns on me, but having a real-time update of exactly how many people are targeting you at all times might be better than people are giving it credit for.

So how popular is RFP on the NA server?

>>165927789
>how popular is RFP on the NA server
>NA

very much

>>165927789
I've encountered it in both games I've played so far, but only on cruisers, which surprised me.

>>165927879
>which surprised me.
You surprised that DD don't take it?

>>165927923
Yes, I've taken it on my DD but so far I haven't run into any others that have, which is what I was expecting. Though I'm testing RFP on one of my US DDs and old BFT+SE on another so they might be doing something similar.

Can someone potato-speech to me what IFHE is?

>>165928015
Inertia fuse high explosive. Skill in 4-th line IIRC.. Makes your HE penetrate more armor.

>>165927854
>>165927879
Do you think it has changed the game for better or worse in the games you have encountered it?

Is it a must have for US/Gunboat DDs?

>>165928015
Basically it lets a some calibers of HE now penetrate things that they couldn't before.
100mm guns can now pen BB all BB superstructures and other high tier DD hulls
127/128mm guns can now pen T7 and below BB plating (bow and stern as well as a lot of the decks)
152/155mm guns can now pen high tier BB plating

>>165928112
It's really too hard to tell so far, especially since nobody has made any use of it against me.
But I will say that on the RFP + PT build I've been running, you get a bunch of info at all times for doing nothing, especially around contesting caps, and I really don't like that.

>>165917691
your OPs are shit

I'm having some trouble decididng on skills for a german cruiser captain that I pretty much plan on just sitting on a Yorck.
None of the skills really looks like they make that big of a difference.

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/wowsg/ spoonfeed me skills edition

>>165928821
Make him into secondaries

>>165924820
>BFT
>Not Vig or EM+PM
For what purpose?

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Part of me really wants to boycott the Radio Positioning Finder skill out of principle since it symbolizes Wargaming's poor sense of game direction. However, at the same time, I'm worried that I might end up being disadvantaged if I choose not to pick it, and it later becomes some sort of new "must get" meta.

What would be plausible instances where RPF provides strong benefit for particular classes of ships? And would the skill be more useful in competitive, ranked or random modes?

Alright, I finally ground out the Friedrich. My first T9 niggguuu

Using my secondaries-focused 16pt captain, what's a good Freddie build? The last video Flamu had on it is 5 months old

>>165928982
go watch Mr Potent videos on them

>>165929393
DDs and Cruisers are where it's going to be most useful, don't bother with it on BBs because the IJN DDs that stay stealthed are really not a threat these days, and the RU and US DDs that are actually threatening are gunbotes so you're going to end up knowing where they are anyway even if you might not be able to always target them. Outside of maybe the Gearing or Fletcher anyway which just happen to also be great torpedobotes, though it still doesn't seem worth it considering what you give up.

On Cruisers it seems like it's going to be useful for DD hunting, while the same for DDs with the added caveat that it seems like it's going to be really useful for stuff like US DDs when they're contesting caps, and RU DDs for hunting down other DDs with their speed because it'll reduce the problems they have with differences in detection ranges. I guess to an extent for hunting and lighting up other cruisers too.

>>165928996
Are the Yorck's secondaries all that good?

I figure that'd be, what, the turning radius skills, then the demolition expert as well, since that will make the Yorck already better than average German HE shells better as well?

>>165924593
No Radio Position or Concealment Expert for the battleships? They sound useful for detecting DDs/not being immediately detected at 26km of distance.

>>165929603
I suggest, that instead of CE, you go IFHE to melt Iowa bow.
Because for some reason German BB have 1/4 caliber HE pen, but not german cruisers. Can't make them too powerful, now can we?

>>165929393
I am thinking the same but will only take it if it is a must have and better than other skills i have.

All DD will need it as a must have and some cruisers too for DD hutning.

>>165929603
I dropped the secondary build i did but that was before the capt changes.

Are you going full secondary or survival?

>>165929947
Not him but yes, CE is still great for BBs.
RP really doesn't seem useful for BBs at all though, they have to give up great T4 skills for it and the benefit it gives for them seems really limited. IJN DDs are going to be the ones that stay stealthed, but they're not threatening, while gunbote DDs like the US and RU get either spotted, or at least are in smoke or have rainbows of gunfire coming from them so you already know basically where they are anyway.

>>165929913
No, it is joke. Only Roon has good secondaries. But it is what I had to use to get 500 secondaries hits on EU mission

Best ship to farm the 15 destroyed modules mission?
I'm gonna do it in coop,

>>165930432
Zao. Basically any high RoF ship

>>165929975
>>165930067
I'm on EU, so no new captain skills yet. I'm referring to modules. As for what I'm going for, I guess a good Freddy? Enlighten a potato homebois

>>165930432
I used US DDs, and just killed other DDs.

>>165930490
>>165930541
Ok, thanks :D.
I will stick with the Dds and cleveland then.

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>just finished farming the Santa's Convoy campaign up to Budyonny
>premium ends today too
Two months of this game, every day.

I foresee I won't be back for a while.

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Ok anons, come forward, which one of you did the triggering of the reddiscord.

>>165930538
Im EU too so same boat.

Basic surival build - http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/01000000001000100000010101000001 could drop CE for BOS i missed that

AA build - http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/01000000001000100000110000001100

Secondary - http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/01000000001000100000110000001001

Just quick knock up of builds though it can be tweeked around and i may have missed something.

I think for some ships like FDG i will need 2 captains depending how the meta changes since i find less chance to get close with secondaries in T9 and up.

>>165930939
Japan?

More like western world or at least the major cities

>>165930272
well either way, I'm still at a loss for what to grab. I figure I'll be getting Expert Marksman because 4.1 seconds off my 180 sounds pretty great to me. but after that I'm just not really sure. Demolition expert sounds alright, it'll give me HE shells 14% on main guns and 9% on secondaries if I ever end up that close. but is 2% really worth it for the Yorck with its 12 second reloads and eight guns? Would the Inertia Fuse be better for the Yorck for bigger damage on the shells since the AP rounds are just harder to use at longer ranges? Why not both to maximize the fire starting potential?

I just dunno.

>match ends
>PC turns off for no reason
spoopy

>>165930939
>discord is a nothing but a bunch of weebs from reddit

nothing new

>>165931230
>Would the Inertia Fuse be better for the Yorck for bigger damage
I can tell you that absolutely NOT.
200mm+ guns barely benefit from IFHE. At T7 there are like 2-3 BB (all which higher tier) that will receive more damage if you shoot them. Everyone else, either have 50mm deck and thus don't care, or have <33mm deck and thus are already damageable.
If you decide to go Hipper+, than SI is a good choice, same with DE. But on Yorck? idk.
On last line, of course take CE, since with Yorck troll armor, you are better if nobody shoots you.
>>165931592
$500 have been removed from your account

>>165931230
cont.
IMO, if you stay with Yorck, Vigilance (you are not the most agile boat) or BoS (in case you are caught with DCP on a cooldown) is a good choice. Second is interesting idea, since you don't have heal, so the less time you burn the better it is

If I'm one of the "gunboat" IJN DD does DE or IFHE do more damage overall?

>>165932102
They have same guns except Akizuki.
Then, use IFHE if you want to wreck DDs.

>>165931661
>>165931878
I was also looking at Basics of Survival and such as well, but I wasn't sure if there was any kind of general Cruiser build or anything like the German BB secondary commanders.

So when I get home, I'll get expert marksman, then probably BoS, and after that I'll just get another level for Concealment and give that a try until I those wins for the gold to respec if I don't like it.

Thanks for the advice.

>retraining is not free
wow way to be maximum jews

>>165932415
>wah why wont WG give me more free stuff fucking jews

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>>165924254
>French battleship line won't be coming in 2017 according to developer statements
>Russian battleship line won't be coming for a long long time according to developer statements at WGFest
>RN BBs being modeled right now
>RN BB line de facto confirmed for 2017

>>165932764
>change an entire aspect of the game
>requires you to pay
yeah, sure.

>>165932415
at least they decreased it down from 25g per point to 1 for now.

>>165932415
I thought they reset all the captain points?

>>165932918
They reset them all and discounted the cost to respec for a while.
I think they're doing missions for free gold too, enough to play around with builds a little at least.

>>165932860
>Change entire aspect of the game and accordingly reset all captain points AND finish retraining captains
Why the fuck should they make retraining free you whiny faggot?

>>165932918
only 1 dobloon per point tovarish )))))))))) small family company, kids hungry ((((((((( wife left me for Misha ((((((( He is potato farmer, wife says little Nadya his daughter ((((((((

>>165932860
But they already reset them all for free when they changed it?

>>165932991
because they completely revamped the skills? If I fucked up in skill selection then I'd be fine with paying the full price, but since they went and completely changed the skill tree then I expect to be reimbursed for my investment of time into getting those skills.

>>165932991
>>165933080
>>165933102
>>165932860
https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/masteryourcommanders/

They give you one reset and afterwards you need to pay 1 doubloon to reset.

There are also 5 easy missions to earn a total of 100g. This is about the same as last time we had a skill tree change.

>>165933102
>They completely revamped the skills and gave you a free reset
>wants more free stuff

neck yourself

>>165933593
Oh, nvm, I haven't installed the patch and only saw the screencap someone posted with 10 doubloon cost of converting

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>>165919191

How would it actually play?

>>165933732
>didn't even bother to check before complaining

>>165933921
It's Italian, so like trash probably.

I think some gunbote DDs might actually be better off now if you're a good player than before the patch.

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>french scutle salvage before Regia Marina

Would HEAP be worth it on the Zao?

>>165934212
No.
20.3cm shells get almost no HP damage benefit out of it.

/wowsg/, I've lost all faith in the game. I can't bring myself to play anymore now that playing smart and stealthy is being invalidated by an always on skill.

How could they go forward with this?

>>165934337
Just play CV or BB, obviously

>>165934337
How much have you played with it ruining your gameplay?

>play DD
>cap zones, launch torpedoes, terrorize battleships and sink some unlucky cruisers too. Generally feel useful
>play BB
>provide shelling support for allies, see big numbers popping up, blow up enemy battleships and cruisers to allow easier tirme for allies. Generally feel useful unless I get left behind
>play CA
>my guns don't hurt anything significantly, fires almost never start even with the skill, if I have to use torpedoes I'm probably already dead, depending on the CA I can't even hunt DDs as I should. Generally feel completely useless for the match outcome
What should I do

>>165935206
>Play CV
>spot DD, sink BB, make USN CA feel relevant.
Conclusion? Play BB

>>165935206
Get Belfast and ruin everyone's fun on the opposing team.

I think I'll be able to play US DDs without Radio Location in randoms. There are other captains skills which I think are more important, and the general common sense I've used so far will allow me to perform well.

What worries me is that with the introduction of clan modes, Radio Location will be mandatory in order to triangulate effectively with multiple ships.

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I guess they don't want to give the IJN good camos but this isn't as bad as I was expecting. It's alright I guess.

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Fuck. AFT+CE or AFT+MS for bisco. Want to stealth meme but don't know how damaging is losing that 60% dispersion bonus.

>>165935978
The new IJN permacamos are way better than the type 1 and 2 green puke.

>>165936189
Why not all 3?

>>165936189
MS is necessary for a proper secondary specc because of how much it narrows the dispersion. Why not go AFT, MS and IFHE?

>>165936189
Secondaries without MS are practically useless.

>>165936189
AFT first obviously.
Get MS and then get CE afterward.

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>>165936283
16pts commander tovarish.
>>165936327
>IFHE
Ehh

>>165936512
If you want to focus on secondary build then go AFT+MSec

>>165936512
Your secondaries will pen bow armor, which is pretty damn good, considering most faggot BBs will bow-on you.

what do for T1 baBBy skill?

>>165936512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGbrEmVrhc

>>165936327
CE lets you get into range of your secondaries easier, it's possible that IFHE does a decent amount more damage but I daresay CE opens up more opportunities for you in general.
Though all of this should be done after getting the basic manual secondary build.

>>165936512
IFHE is actually pretty useful with the Krauts because 10.5cm and 15cm guns get some of the most benefit out of it and can pen a bunch more of the stuff you fight. I still don't think it's worth it though.

>>165936283
>>165936362

Adrenalin rush will affect secondaries in later builds too.

>>165935978
They need to use this darker green more often. The Yamato one still looks like ass since it's that brighter green.

>>165936639
preventative maintenance or 2planes

>>165936667
I'd say that Bisko with CE has about the same amount of opportunities. If you had said Freddy or GK, I would've agreed, since their conceal is fucking garbage whereas Bisko still fares well with just the mod.

>>165936706
The effect it'd have on the reload times for secondaries would so small it really doesn't seem worth it.

>>165936835
12km detection is pretty damn good on Bisko, it means you can almost get into secondary range of things before you get spotted. Not to mention the usual benefits of being able to disengage and move around the map easier.

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>>165936706
>>165936667
>Kruat BB with Adrenaline, AFT,IFHE,MS
>Basically becomes ubermensch before dieing.

>>165937038
Graf a shit.

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>>165937101
Whoa rude.

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>RPF got added because supertesters approved it in the first place
>Lunatic "Zao needs radar" Red says it's a "useless" skill

Makes me really think.

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>>165937217
Slut too.

>>165937038
You can't get all of those at once though. Unless you want to give up EM for what is still a pretty garbage skill.

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>>165937270
Only for admiral(my) dick.

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>>165937362
You mean any admiral she can get her hands on?

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oh boy

>>165936981
It affects everything, secondaries and main guns and possibly later on AA too aswell as torp reload times.

Add in DE and more fire for the fire god.

>>165937038
I would drop IFHE i think.

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>>165936769
>>165936639
I'd argue for Priority Target. Allows you to do some basic math to know if you're being targeted by extra ships that are not spotted AND not firing at you. Still doesn't replace common sense and preventive evasive maneuvers.

The 2 plane thingy doesn't seem all that worth it since they now only last 90 seconds up. Preventive maintenance also feels rather useless since BBs rarely lose engine/rudder, secondaries are very resilient these days, and it doesn't seem to influence destroyed turrets (and those are also very rare these days).

I love Kraut BBs so much. They are what I imagined Battleships would be in this game, going in guns blazing on all sides. Has the added bonus of becoming a rallying point for the team.

>>165937254
>RPF got added because supertesters approved it in the first place
Proofs

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>>165937592
>tfw babby
>IJN and USN battleships are no fun
>KM battleships just go in and fuck shit up
Its like concentrated fun.

>>165937704
>prove to me that ST test things months before release

ok

What fuel Iowa used for propulsion? Except seamen of course

>>165937708
I would say IJN BBs line is most underwhelming now, except for the Yamato of course.

>some guy asks to split sides on Two Brothers

>>165937524

High Alert or Expert Marksmen for Bisco?

I never seem to have problems with turret traverse, also it's very fast, but having that DCP2 at almost 60 seconds seems like a very good thing in this fire meta.

>>165937704
>[retarded shit] got added because supertesters approved it in the first place
It's not like this has happened half a dozen times by now.

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>>165937254
Most of us protested to this. Devs gave 0(ZERO) fucks about our opinions regarding this.
>>165937867
The crushed spirit of the Japanese navy.

>>165937481
If you're at 10% HP it's still only an 18% increase. Unless you're bullying some stuff that you could probably have finished off anyway, it's probably not going to help you much. At that 10% HP it's taking less than 5s off your main guns, only half a second off you 105's, and just over 1s off your 15cm guns. It seems really situational for that to actually make a difference, where you couldn't have finished something off before, but now you can while being at low enough health that it's going to make that difference as well as not just getting finished off yourself.

>>165937524
This, PT is surprisingly useful. I've been running it on my Gearing/Sims so far and I don't think I could go back to not using it now. The amount of extra information it gives you is way better than I expected, I've been able to scout stuff without spotting any of it, it lets you judge far exactly how risky you can play and lets you time maneuvers better.

>>165938041
>thinking the devs listen to the STs at all
Well the RU ones probably but they didn't listen to them about the RN cruisers, and all the western STs seem to have done nothing but complain about this change too.

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>>165937867
WW2, bunker fuel like everything else.

In 1984, she was overhauled for navy distillate fuel.

Yeah the devs completely ignored the ST opinion on this one

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>damage control

>>165938017

Forget to mention, but with signal that reduces cooldown as well.

>>165938569
Thanks

>>165938341
At 50% its 10% ROF increase.

It is a useful skill all the time and tech the more damage you take more deadly you become.

I understand that it may not seem much but seconds can count, at T2 skills to choose from i do find this the best skill.

HA/JOT are okayish but not great and EM is only really needed if it takes years to turn.

>clan tags show up in front of names in the clan chat now
>which means that everyone's name is mostly cut off because there's no way to resize that part of the window and you can no longer easily recognize people from the lengths of their names
Which moron thought this was a good idea? Yeah, gee thanks for letting us know that everyone who's in the clan chat is actually also in the clan.

>>165938776
10% just isn't that much.
There's no way I can see this being more consistently useful than EM.

>>165936760
Camouflage camo when

The Aslain toggle doesn't seem to work for me.

Montana MSec, AFT, IFHE build yay or nay?

I mean I realise I'm it's out done by everything if you do any sort of build except AA, but AA is never used most of the time.

Should I do it for the memes? Especially since the guns themselves look decent with 9% fire chance and 9.1km range.

>>165939219
Yeah go for stealth or manual secondaries, I'm sure it'll help you against CVs.

>>165939219
Are you the anon here that has been using the secondary meme build on the Monty?
If not apparently it's surprisingly good, and this patch probably helps it because you can get CE with it to keep the good old stealth build.
Don't bother with IFHE though because there's not enough 25mm targets around for it to be effective, 127s are only going to get a benefit out of it at mid tiers.

>>165937038
>>165937217
>>165937270
>>165937362
>>165937432
Graf Zeppelin pleases OKM officials for funding her construction.

>>165937254
Most of the STs on EU fucking hate it.

>>165937881
Nagato is still fun. Yamato just overpenetrates everything and has to survive in a horrible, campy meta.

>>165939681
Fuso is still great fun too, considering the MM. Her and my Farragut are about the only T6s I enjoy these days because I always feel like I can still do pretty well even in the constant T8 matches.

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>>165939580
Tough times call for drastic measures friend.

>>165938894

Not that guy, but EM is a crutch. If your turrets aren't on the correct side, then you're using a skill to make up for lack of awareness, much like PT and IFA.

I agree that a 10% increase at 50% might not seem like much, but it affects all your weapons, and it MIGHT be a very powerful ability. Definitely gonna try it.

>>165939959
>but it affects all your weapons
Now only primary, with secondaries coming Soon

>>165937881
I just couldn't stand them. I felt naked if someone got up on me.

>>165939959
EM's usefulness doesn't come from being able to turn your turrets to the opposite side because you weren't paying attention and something popped up there though. It's for tracking targets especially during turns, and quickly switching targets that are already in your field of fire, especially if they're quickly going to stop being spotted or present a worse target.

>>165938894
For me could make or break a decent fight.

EM is meh in general.

>>165933979
But it's not Royal Navy, anon...

>>165940432
Exactly.

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what did he mean by this

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>Aislans mod kit updates dont work for 0.6.0.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8veseOC9KhU
Remember, this patch is not a BB buff.

>>165940579
Sounds like the problem there isn't with the ship.

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>>165940579
>plays a battlecruiser
>wonders why battleship can penetrate his 'armor'

>>165940579
>180k damage (or so)
>Ship is trash
I don't even know

I'm still trying to decide what I want for my skills on a German cruiser.
Man, this was better when I didn't actually care about this stuff...

>>165940332
It can be good for both, but it really depends on your ship.
The way I look at it, if EM doesn't improve your turn rate by at least 25% it's probably not worth the points to you.

>First game in fully upgraded Nagato
>Cap a point
>Go after an ARP Kongo & Kirishima
>Sink them both after they both focused me and split my fire
>Go on the way to cap another point
>Citipen and sink an enemy Nagato trying to ambush me from behind an island
>Damage a DD with HE fire
>Meanwhile a guy from our team shittalks the BB players because he rushed into a point and died, expecting BB players to be able to keep up with him
>Win the game anyway

Feels good wrecking shit in a ship that survived two nuclear blasts.

>>165940704
IFHE skill with german secondaries?

I thought IFHE was a meme or something and are useless on just about everything.

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>tfw missing Shimakaze for the perfect T10 port

>>165937254
No, supertesters were the first to sound the alarm about what an awful game-breaking idea it was. They were ignored just like the entire rest of the player base was ignored.

>>165937851
That's not what was claimed. The claim was that the STs approved of RL. The claim needs proofs.

>>165938003
>some retard demands a lemming train on Two Brothers

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More balans incoming

>>165941132
On low caliber gun it is less of a meme, because you start damaging ship bow and stuff.
Bonus points for German BB having 1/4 of caliber penetration, instead of 1/6
Extra bonus for 150mm secondaries on German cruisers having their HE only 1/6 pen instead of 1/4 We can't accidentally make them powerful, now can we?

>>165941132
It allows small caliber HE to actually pen more often, which makes it strong in combination with the German 128mm HE secondaries.

>>165937851
STs don't get veto power. WG can and does implement stuff without ST approval.

>>165940579
shut up, amagi is bae ship.

>Use free retraining to move from Ryujo to Hiryu
y/n? Saipan scares me, so I'm considering just staying at T6 until the CV re-work.

>>165941663
But it was posted yesterday :(

>>165941132
With German secondaries in particular, whose 150 and 128mm guns get 1/4 penetration instead of 1/6, it breaks a threshold that allows them to easily damage bow armor on high tier battleships. Guess that's WG's answer to the bow on meta: replace it with German BB meta.

>>165941961
Is that worth it if it means no longer lighting fires in 4 places with Bisko's secondaries?

>>165941664
>>165941710
>>165941961

Nice, but the question is it working as intended or a bug which will get fixed?

>>165942107
Is feature comrade.

>>165940476
So RN is actually trash for his own admission?

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>>165938017
I'd go with EM. Bisko gets to brawl a lot, so having faster turrets is useful to keep your turrets on target when making a turn, wiggling between angled broadside and full bow-front to bear your rear guns, or suddenly switching to another ship that just went broadside while your main target is angled. That is very valuable to me.

High Alert could kind of work, but I save my DCP for triple fires and flooding anyway. The times where I legitimately really need my repair up are extremely rare, most of the time it's because I overextended and put myself in a hopeless situation where a faster DCP wouldn't save me anyway.

>>165924820
You're so fucking bad at this Gfischer.

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>>165941663
>ALL THOSE GUNS

WAT

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>>165941961
>replace it with German BB meta.
Already a thing on EU

>>165942706
This build is garbage, no MS, no AFT, wtf

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Reminder not to lose to any theory crafting shitter unless their win rate is 70% or above.

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Post 'em (You) nerds

>>165942964
>Bisk build
>No MS, AFT
What?

>>165942241
Nice, watch RU BB get 1/2 or something daft.

>>165942037
That is what the toss up is now, fires which could be more rare unless you take the DE skill to offset it but still can offer 20k dmg easy or shots which will do more dmg in general but also against angled targets too.

>be NY
>kberg tells me to go down choke point
>I go the other way
>starts to shoot at me
>lights me on fire
>kite 3 Wyomings and an omaha alone while team caps 2 bases
>still manage to get 78k and two kills
>barely survive
>Kberg still shouts enemy team to gank me, because I'm useless
Why do people have to get this mad? I intended grab attention and use my armor. And it worked.

>>165940579
Wasn't whining incessantly about how impossible to citadel that ship was like a week ago?

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>>165943003
>>165943061
Disregard that.
I give up. I can't into ctrlC ctrlV

>>165943378
yes

>>165941589
Were you that guy who kept bitching in chat that game and then died like a shitter while telling us we'd lose?
we didn't

>>165943024
What if my WR is above 70% and I'm theorycrafting?

Does Preventative maintenance affect Secondaries and AA?

>>165944340
It should. If you have a few coins to spare, free time and a friend you can test it

>>165943382
>17 points for a worse build than that i could get with 16 points before

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>>165943039

>just finished my 15pts biscuit commander with flags 'n shit
>people running around here with gazillion of elite exp

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/112529-tier-1-captain-skills-absolutely-suck-for-bbs-wg/page__pid__2737901#entry2737901

>tfw WG nerfs DDs but also nerfs BBs unintentionally
>BBs now crying and demanding that BFT should be 1-point

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>>165944903
>I want my level 1 Basic Firing Training back for my BB gameplay and I want it back now! Not tomorrow....not today, NOW!
>I want it back now! Not tomorrow....not today, NOW!

Is Preventative Maintenance the only tier 1 skill for BBs and Cruisers?

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>>165944530
I'm definitely not liking the skill rework.
For BBs I'm can take pretty much the same build as before, with an extra token T2/ T3 skill that I didn't really need but I have to take now anyway. Would've been more interesting if there had been new interesting choices on top of the old ones; like having a new T5 skill good enough to make me think about switching from CE.

For DDs it's all fucked up. The loss of BFT really hurts the gunboats, and RTF just adds yet another thing to be wary of in an environment which already discourages mobility.
>>165944903
He is kind of right tho. The new T1 skills are pretty much worthless. Out of the bunch, Priority Target is the most decent one for both BBs and DDs, but it's still a farcry from having BoS and BFT at T1. Kind of sucks for cruisers too, but at least they can mount the Catapult Plane skill, since their catapult fighter still has the old duration.

>>165945448
2planes for those that cannot take radar

>>165945448
2 plons seems nice for BBs

Inertia Fuse for HE Shells good for Des Moines?

>>165946034
>>165946180
90seconds, rarther not have half my AA and secondarys knackered.

>18 point captain on Bismarck
>No idea what to spend the remaining 4 points on
Why did they have to change everything? At least respecing is discounted but it should be free for a weekend so people can figure out builds.

>>165946642
PM doesn't apply to secondaries and AA modules you fucking retard

What's a good build for Khab? EM, Smoke, or Last Stand?

>>165946736
It applies to all modules so yes, in fact it does.

>>165946642
incapacitation!=Survivability

>>165946945
>this is your teammate

>>165946706
Stealth? Manual secs? Fire prevention? Plenty of options for BBs.

>>165946854
This is what I was running on PT, plus Vig or DE, can't remember which.
http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/10000000001000010000100000001010

>>165946436
For the 100-th time Noooooo.
203mm shells almost not benefit from IFHE.
Though Des Memes hit deck more often, but still, it is very hard to justify

>>165947054
>PT
Why? I rather have PM so my shit doesn't get knocked out in knife fighting.

>>165946436
why in the fuck would you do that

>>165947054
>EM on khabarovsk
Why?

>>165947098
>>165947241
I don't know. I didn't exactly plan ahead with this shit. I read the notes and the new skills but didn't play PTR or build trees on calculators.

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"German DDs suck" - Luger

>>165947098
>>165947241
So where would IFHE be useful? Destroyers? Other Cruisers?

>>165947359
You could've at least read whole thread.
>>165947586
Yes. 120-180mm guns benefit most. Bonus points to German BB.

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BFT first or DE first on USN gunbote DD?

>>165947747
>You could've at least read whole thread.
>Making me read 90% cancer
Yeah, no.

>>165926739
Is this a thing? I thought my internet was acting up.

>>165947747
>Yes. 120-180mm guns benefit most. Bonus points to German BB.
I haven't gotten in game yet, but IFHE works on secondaries? That's pretty cool.

>>165948036
>Is this a thing?
>WG coding
Why do you even need to ask?
>>165948183
Can you at least read skill description?

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What builds are fellow QT Hotel pilots running?

Should mogami use the 155 or the 203?

>>165947181
It is unbelievably useful knowing how much shit you have to dodge. It makes it very easy to know when to bail out before you get overwhelmed by incoming fire.

>>165947338
I had two extra points to spare and nothing else really appealed. It's a nice finishing touch.

>>165947765
BFT, SI and TAE are all better picks for USN DDs than DE.

>>165948505
Do you want to be cancer or worse Atago?

>>165948546
>It is unbelievably useful knowing how much shit you have to dodge. It makes it very easy to know when to bail out before you get overwhelmed by incoming fire.
I already knew how to do this because I've been playing DDs since CBT.

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>>165948440
Nothing because she's only a port ornament that I spin round when I'm bored.

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>pop hydro
>no torps
>ping spikes
>game freezes
>game unfreezes
>torps 3km from me
)))))) Based netcode

>>165948809
Wow, how historically accurate.

>>165948809
>that I spin round
l-lewd?