/edg/+/scg/ - Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous #122

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>>165761447

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ED fags BTFO !!

>old template has ED info before SC info
Triggered.

Reminder what happens if you turn solo off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtOjAQcY6tg

DO NOT LEAVE SOLO MODE! This is your last warning.

>>165761669
Inshallah brother!

>>165760321
Don't mind that troll, his is building a strawman, he will invent realistic detail that were never marketed

>>165760986
Dude, the Lumberyard engine is already done, in two day flat.
That model is from 2014. By now it could be as complete as Crusader or the base they showed in the background of an AtV

>>165761447
for some reason only one video got [embed]

>>165762260
Because there is only one video you brainded nigger.

>>165762260
That's because there is only one video in the OP.
I have culled the OP of shitty video links.

From now on, ONE video maximum in the OP (per game)!

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Scared newbie looking for help.

So, how do I get to this station? I have a contract to deliver some goods to it but the neutron star is in my way and it's scaring the everliving shit out of me. (I started playing 10 min ago).

When I jumped to the system it told me I had to escape the neutron stars pull and everything was overheating, I did that but how do I maneover around it? Just frameshift into the blackness of space around it?

It's unreal how unnerving this is for me, I feel a bit paralyzed.

>>165762454
You literally cannot die in E:D to this bullshit. Its all fake handholding.

Could point right at it and go full throttle and you know what would happen?

Fuck all.

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>>165762454
>this shit
>unnerving

>>165762454
Fly around the star in SC. It's just a star with more invisible mass. Going from normal space to SC near a star generates loads of heat but just deal with it for now until you get heat sinks.

And never take missions where you need to fly bullshit distances, if you can help it.

>>165763615
his friends are wrong though

>>165763716
Thanks, I will try that

>>165763881
Nah, cultists even occupy /scg/. You'd much sooner get told to kill yourself than to be given any friendly advice.

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>>165764017

>>165764017
People get given good advice all the time.

If you're looking for a hugbox, keep walking. This is 4chan, nig nog.

>>165764017
>You'd much sooner get told to kill yourself than to be given any friendly advice
welcome to 4chan

>>165763615
>toxic
I swear this word alone is an IQ test all by itself.

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>>165763573

>>165763615

Is there any big multiplayer/esport game cpmmunity out there that aint toxic?

CSGO, Overwatch, all MMO's, Mobas etc... Are all toxic.

SC will also get a toxic community. Everything big gets a free toxic conmunity.

He's friends should play Barbie Horse and Riding or LOK if he cant stand toxic people at all.

>>165764751
Fuck! I cant type on touchscreens for shit.
Recently switched from a N900 to a Z2.

>>165764751
The only communities I've known that are even close to as bad as Star Citizen are Guild Wars 2 and SW:TOR (Biodrones).

Cultists are a new level.

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>>165764017
this fucking moron couldn't even look up the keybindings or even google correctly and reddit still held his hand

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>>165763573
Jesus Christ.

Asked this a couple times before but never got answered.
Are SRV any useful when exploring? any reason to land on newly discovered planets?
I've read somewhere something about materials down there, but most guides and stuff covering exploration never showed any SRV action, just super-cruising and scanning.

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:^)

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>>165766303
>taking vehemently obvious bait seriously

>>165766297
There are some mats that you can only get with your srv. Some shit doesn't even spawn unless you're in your srv.
Also I wish they'd change its handling
>6 wheel drive vehicle
>Handles like a rear wheel drive car on ice no matter what kind of planet you're on

I feel like this game is worth the $30.
Should I actually get Horizons? Will I feel cheated spending an extra $30?

>>165764751
>toxic

Fuck off tumblr

>>165767654
So do I just go driving around in it for a few minutes or what?
Is there any way I can tell where to go, or to check if there's a reason to ever go at all?

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>>165763573

>>165767697
Horizons have p2w module upgrades.

>>165767918
The detailed surface scanner will tell you what materials you can find on a planet (in the system map). Once in your SRV, it has a scanner to locate things.

>>165764214
+10 pts for Valididity
+1000 pts for "nig nog"

>>165764017
There was a discussing on this yesterday, I maintain that /scg/ is probably the best place to discuss SC. People are very friendly; just look at all of the loadout and upgrade advice given to people with starter ships.

>>165770494
You should probably kill yourself.

>>165770823
You need to go back.

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>>165770494
>/scg/ is very friendly
lol

People are actually playing CQC, my god, I'M playing CQC!

If you wanna try it out there appears to be a number of folks playing CQC TDM right now

>>165767697
Horizons is cool but unfinished.
It certainly don't hurt.

>>165769048
>in the system map
Ah I see, thank you.

So, the entire process will be:
> Fire long range scanner
> Travel to land-able planets
> Full-scan them when near
> Check system map if it has any materials
> If it does, land and travel around it with SRV until scanners picks something
Do I get any tips or clues regarding where to find the materials or does it spawn at random "near" you when landing/driving around? some planets are fuckhuge.

Non-ED question, is SC current PU any fun? any interesting locales to explore and/or lose yourself into? I'm not 100% clear on what it entails.

>>165771446
You can see/do everything in two days if you're green
Explore a asteroid belt,ships,stations and fight.
There's fun but sadly not enough

So is not liking Elite a meme? What's wrong with it? I got it yesterday and I'm having a fucking blast.

>>165772008
Past the initial honeymoon phase it's an insultingly simplistic, repetetive and boring game.

>>165772008
>A meme

No. After playing for a while you begin to realize EVERYTHING that is wrong with Elite.

>>165772008
I've been playing for a week now and it's still okay for me, but quite frankly I'm starting to notice plenty of flaws and untapped/underdeveloped/non-matured potential. I would assume this sentiment will be stronger on people playing for longer, or since release.
It's a constantly growing product though, so even if you get disenchanted at some point for whatever reason, it might still be a good idea to keep an eye on its development.

>>165772008
It's fun, then it's shallow, then it's actually a bit of fun again as you get into the grind. Then you realise the extent of the grind. Then you discover that it's even more shallow than you realised.

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>>165771446
All right so "exploring" in Elite means "scanning planets and stars from supercruise for money". No SRV involved. There's no ultra rare materials only found a billion lightyears away from Sol or anything. You'll never travel out of the bubble for any material.

No one really needs the detailed surface scanner unless they're exploring. If they need materials, third-party websites like eddb will list materials and occurrence rates on any planetary body for you.

There are some rumor that craters have better spawn rates for metallic meteorites (contains rare materials, see image for pattern on the scanner) but those are unconfirmed. Land anywhere and your scanner will give specific patterns and noises to indicate things near you. You'll eventually learn what patterns mean what.

>>165772725
Sure, if you don't mind spending the $30 for the new expansion each time you feel like checking it out.

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So I'm playing ED more lately and all I do is shoot bounties with my friends. I still want to shoot bounties with my friends but I want to go fast while I do it. Ideally it will also have good jump range since I hate having to do 500000 jumps to get anywhere.

What ship do you fags recommend?

>>165776093
the uninstaller

>>165776093
Nothing. If you want to shoot people you need to sacrifice jump range, especially if you want to shoot people while going fast. Have fun with the hour long travel times.

>>165776324
Ok fine I don't have to have massive jump range I just want to shoot and fast. What should I get?

>>165776376
Clipper of vulture.

>>165761447
what the fuck is this OP and why did you use an ancient one, after I updated the previous one from being fucked with? are you trying to be retarded?
>new stuff: 2.5
dumbass

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GAS THE THARGOIDS SPACE WAR NOW

>>165777350
Speaking of space war

>Finally play Rebel Galaxy
>Get massive ship with 20 broadside lasers
>Decreased the alien population by 10% already

Game is alright. Lacking though, this seems to be a common theme in any space game.

>>165777225
We don't need an OP with a dozen videos in the OP that just get [Embed][Embed]'d every new thread

>>165776376
courier, clipper, DD vulture or FAS, FDL

>>165777486
then delete them. I agree, an informal throwing in of anything that was recently posted would be better. no reason to dig up a six month old OP though

>>165777628
A thread needed to be made and this was all i had on hand at the time.

The OP needs to be redone and pastebins updated at some point anyway, I also find this one more aesthetically pleasing.

>decide to take my new fer de lance out for a spin bounty hunting
>i get rekt by a fucking gunship
goddamn i suck, fuck fighters

>>165779897
NPCs are now balanced around engineer mods. Go get em.

>>165763573
What the fuck.

>>165780186
But i just finished getting my Asps FSD to level 5, and the fer de lance has abysmal jump range.
I guess I could transfer it to whatever station needed, but what a bother.

>>165780186
>oy vey buy my expansion

>>165780297
Ship transfer dog. FDL with tier 5 dank drives is godly.

>>165780425
By the way, what the fuck do i get on the huge hardpoint? Currently I've got a bigass cannon on there but I'd wager that it's probably better to get a beam laser or something.

>>165780546
PAs are the top meta since the recent patch.

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This is unregistered, weapons-grade assault cringe.

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>>165780679
What is wrong with these niggers

>>165780425
>Ship transfer

Who the fuck would want to do this? Literally waiting the game with these ship transfers. Fucking frontier and the dads.

>>165771446
www.wavescanner.net has all the different sounds and patterns for the SRV scanner.

>>165780998
Oh come on, put your fucking memes back into the top parrot bag, fucko.

Feigning ignorance doesn't make this feature any less worthwile.

FDLs cockpit triggers me, shit's fucking off-centre

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>>165762260
dude if you believe cig, a company so incompetent that they rarely even comes close to an estimated date, that the lumberyard transition only took two day then youre dumb enough to be a cultist

wait, never mind

>>165782493
Fuck you nigger. From the bubble to 17 Draconis takes 2 hours to transfer a Viper. That's literally 2 hours you cannot play in that ship. What the fuck is wrong you? Who the fuck defends PAY TO NOT PLAY

>>165782663
>being atrocious at estimating future completion dates is the same as lying about things that are already done
yeah no you're retarded

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>>165774585
>>165782019
Neat, thank you guys.
Guess I'll remove the SRV hangar when exploring, and grab it when getting materials if I ever grind engineers.
That's a shame, kinda liked the idea of going around with my dune buggy when exploring far away planets.

>>165782803
if you say so culty

>>165782694
>From the bubble to 17 Draconis takes 2 hours to transfer a Viper.
AAAANNNNDDDD? Are you so desperate to play this fucking game or would you prefer to jump there on your own in your fuckinf viper?

Log off and dingle your dongler to MTF porn like you always do, shitmuncher.

>>165782927
>Are you so desperate to play this game

Yes. I am desperate to play the game I paid money for. Thank you for asking.

>>165783008
So what's your answer, buddy? You want a free instant teleport to 17 Drac or what?

Ask FD support and maybe they'll do it if you suck their dick good.

>>165783130
>instant teleport

Oh yeah? You can teleport there? I didn't realize I can teleport myself there. When did they add that feature in?

>>165783221
So you're back into deliberately obtuse mode, bitchboi?

I guess expecting solid arguments from a parroting memekid is too much.

>>165782927
Is this an elaborate troll or is someone defending the ship transfer timer? I thought we'd all agreed that the current waiting times were unholy bullshit when coupled with all the waiting you do in every other part of the game.

>>165783557
It's false flagging.

>>165783557
>I thought we'd all agreed
That's a way to say "parroting opinions" I guess.

>takes hours to get to bumfuck nowhere yourself
>OMG IT SHOULD BE INSTANT WHEN I'M TRANSFERING IT

Doesn't make any fucking sense.

>>165783557
>transfer timer
Will you be able to grab any ship you own, from any starport/hangar in SC when it finally comes out?

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>>165783493
>Dads are so shitty at arguments the only thing they can do is make up imaginary situations and strawman where people want to instantly teleport everywhere

Senility is a horrible thing. I'm sorry for your loss.

>>165783854
>discord furfag rushes to call something he doesn't like "le trole""

I just realized I had a GTX970. I thought I was using a GTX570. Anyone else retarded here?

Also what are your predictions on 3.0?
>ETA
>will it be good
>how much improvement do you think we will see from the netcode fix

>>165784057
>Anyone else retarded here

Yes. In fact he's posting right now and expressing his retardation. I'll let you guess which poster.

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>>165783969
You still haven't answered why it's a bad feature or provided any reasonable alternatives. Meme some more memekid.

Gosh - I decided to see if the star citizen forums are as autistic as /scg/ makes out. They're brilliant, incredible, one line can yield paragraphs of tears.

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How to turn these threads back in to /scg/ and remove /edg/ dadposting.

/[dD][rR][aA][cC][oO][nN][iI][sS]/i
/[tT][hH][aA][rR][gG][oO][iI][dD]/i
/[vV][iI][sS][iI][oO][nN]/i
/[bB][rR][aA][bB][eE][nN]/i


:^)

>>165785831
Also you can add the list of /edg/ ships to the filter too, along with /[dD][aA][dD]/i

>>165784057
>ETA
this time next year maybe
>will it be good
I'll cry if it isn't
>how much improvement do you think we will see from the netcode fix
if it doesn't make the game playable, all hope will be lost

>>165776093
What's your price range? You can get good speed and fsd range on combat ships if you engineer with Palin and Martuuk

>>165780546
4A gimbal multicannon. Engineer it with incendiary rounds and have a blast.

>>165788283
Isn't incendiary useless against NPCs since they don't overheat?

>>165788339
Incendiary ammo destroys shields.

>>165786858

>this time next year

Come on, what the actual fuck do you know?

>>165788647
Is it worth engineering the power distro for weapons?

>>165788339
It does increased increased damage plus it converts the damage to thermal. Makes the multicannons great at killing shields and hull.
I've got two on my corvette. NPC anacondas melt.

Plus I'd recommend getting corrosive shell for a small/medium multicannon. It increases the damage that all weapons do to the targets hull.

>>165788738
Depends on the ship. Larger PDs are more mod friendly.

>>165788738
Depends on the weapons. If you're running beams then definitely.

I'll be honest here, elite seems like shit, why do people bother with it?

>>165789596
10% of the people still playing are either trying it for the first time or bored. The other 90% are deranged dads that have gone senile.

>>165788708
>Estimated Time to Arrival

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/estimate

>>165789596
I treat it like Euro truck simulator with combat. Good for unwinding and doing in the background while i'm binge watching netflix or anime.

>>165790790
Definitely this. It's best enjoyed with some sort of narcotic.

>>165789596
I don't know. I mean, I still play planetside 2 but at least it's exciting in addition to being shit. elite looks like a sleep aid.

>>165792520
there's a multiplayer element and a degree of skill in ps2

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>>165780679
>goons only capable of posting cat pics
>same goons are able to mind control him into getting a refund
>mfw people this dumb own capital ships
>mfw I wound up in the universe with Commandos and Goons

Can we stage a larp armageddon between commandos and goons to cleanse both sides at once?

>This Week in Star Citizen

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/citizens/15673-This-Week-In-Star-Citizen

>>165534198
yes it is faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51q-lBcZzNA

>>165794770
>caliphate
>hezbollah song
Retarded dogfucker.

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>>165794770

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>>165795569
stay mad

>>165796717
>>>/b/
>>>/fur/

has the HangerXplorer plugin for firefox stopped working for anyone else?

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>>165794770
It's so nice to see diversity represented in our game. Aren't you gals and guys and whatevers super exited for Sharia law planets as part of your immersion?

>>165798348
what's that

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>>165796910
Oh anon, those are good fetishes, congrats!

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>no schedule for 3.0

>log in

>left trigger now changes axis of movement as well as fires secondary weapons at the same time

>log out

nice update

>>165801262
Their is subscriber town hall tomorrow with Tony and Erin..

>>165802159
Fingers crossed they will have some good news.

>>165802159
Also Todd Pappy

Is this a good anaconda build?
https://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/0pwtsFklndzsxf57o7l1f1f1c1c2424020202030404040nB05o5o3e0404042b0p6nv6.AwRj4ys0OYg=.Aw18ZlA=?bn=Allaround

>>165803593
If you're going battleconda, some chaff would be helpful.

>>165803593
Since your're running two SCB go for 7A shields/prismatics. You won't need that many heat sinks, you're only running pulses so those SCB's won't cook you too much. I'd just add more shield boosters.

Don't bother with chaff on a large ship like that you're already easy enough to hit. Use that space for more shields. Also consider military composites and grade 5 HRP's as the anacondas already a slow turner as it is, and the extra armour will be useful if your shields don't hold.

If you've got horizons throw in a fighter hanger, a good npc pilot will help you out with those small ships that stay behind you.

>>165801737
it would be very obvious to anyone with a brain that your custom config is outdated and you need only rebind one of the two functions

>>165813341
DAT ASS DOE
Where did this screeny come from?

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>>165813731
Early concept art before the SJWs gained a foothold. Butts never.

They did not fail Vanu, they failed themselves.

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These missions are too hard.

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Bumping with FIDELITY.

>>165761447
Do you think is it worth to strecth your fleet in order to keep LTI on 100$ to 200$ tier ships?

>>165782663
I don't believe cig's release dates at all. Mostly because without a publisher tightening the screws on the devs, they will complete things at their leisure.

I don't think they are incompetent, but I do think they lack direction.

>new computer
>can finally run SC at 60fps
>now noticing that everyone just glides along the floor while running
They are never going to fix this shitty netcode are they

>>165820957
They're literally fixing it right now for 3.0 you complete fucking dolt

>>165821127
But are they really?

For Engineers, is it worth it to start grinding the FSD upgrades first instead of weapon upgrades? I'm sick of travelling back to the area near Eravate when my friends want to play while I'm grinding away at other Engineers, so I'm thinking I should go for the big travel upgrades first.

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>>165821319
They've been working on it for over a year :^)


Foundry 42 has it's own smallsatelite studio working on mocap/facial mocap/facial animation just found out about this on reddit/

>>165821319
No you're right, it's actually all a scam and Chris Roberts is on his way to the Bahamas with his Yacht filled with gold bars
Only your relentless questioning uncovered the truth
A real hero

>>165821613
Whoa are you TheAgent?

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>>165821660
I'm his brother who refused to pay $10 to post on a forum.

>>165821613
>They've been working on it for over a year :^)
Soon to be over two years, three years, four years...

>>165821620
>A real hero
If SC turns out to be a scam I demand this be posted in the OP until this general dies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8

>>165820957
I think we're all hoping that it will be slightly better when 3.0 drops. Oddly enough I got 60 FPS in the PU last night and was fucking scared.

>>165821821
2.6.1 will be slightly better.

3.0 will be the make or break point of the project, better be damn fucking improved or its going to bleed backers like a stuck pig

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>>165821821
If 3.0 doesn't allow at least 150-200+ people in an area we are fuggggggggged.

>>165821990
There is absolutely no way it is going to have above 100 people

>>165822048
Why not?

Ever see oxford_sc on Twitch? Please tell me not every SC backer is like this.

>>165822053
Because it would lag like mad. SC isnt like CoD or BF where you are simulating little and what is simulated is simple.

>>165822185
Good to know you're clearly very informed on the subject, kek

>>165822220
>I hope this pen is red!
>it draws blue
>WELL AINT YOU INFORMED
Yes, basic logic is 'informed'

>>165822248
Mhm, its definitely something that can be known through 'basic logic' and is the same level of complexity as the color of ink in a pen.

Thats why I said you were clearly informed, didn't you hear me?

>>165822318
Okay bright guy, point to a single game that has 200+ people where you can move freely around in space ships that move in 3d that doesnt lag like mad

Oh look, it literally doesn't exist. Why do you think MMOs use tab target combat or something similar? Its because it doesnt matter how good your internet infrastructure is you're still limited by the average joe's connection which is shit.

>>165822387
>doesnt matter how good your internet infrastructure is you're still limited by the average joe's connection which is shit.
Fundamental point that the whole SC community refuses to acknowledge

Personally I would be happy with just 50 people in an instance if it was providing no latency issues. These people who think hundreds are possible are on a hype train to disappointment though.

>>165822635
>Fundamental point that the whole SC community refuses to acknowledge

Its been acknowledged plenty of times.

Just people don't really understand networking and continue to use the word "lag" like I'm not going to have a sensible chuckle.

>>165822704
>Its been acknowledged plenty of times.
Not enough, case and point this idiot >>165821990

>>165822387
> point to a single game that has 200+ people where you can move freely around in space ships that move in 3d that doesnt lag like mad

It's called Star Citizen, it's being made right now. It's the same game that wasn't supposed to have billions of kilometers of actual space because of engine limitations, which got solved by switching it to 64-bit precission.

The same game that couldn't have massive, fully explorable planets because it would be too much even for a Nasa PC to handle, and we would be stuck with shitty on-rails landing sequences on limited areas. Well, guess what big feature is being added on the next big patch, "bright guy".

>>165822704
>continue to use the word "lag
When you have 200 people in as server that cant handle it that is the textbook definition of lag you uneducated moron

>>165822387
I'm not saying what he's saying is possible, however the average joe's connection shouldn't limit anything
if I'm seeing a single player flying around and the server needs 1 kb/s to send me the data for that, then 200 players would need 200 kb/s which is a down speed everyone has
the latency literally would not be affected

>>165822778
>Strawman
>Strawman
>More strawman
Hay calm down there with your fallacies.

We have examples of games for literally everything you listed there before SC was even a thing. We dont have, and will not have, 200+ people in SC. Period.

>>165822847
Jesus fucking Christ please go play EvE on a full day then realize how stupid you sound

>>165822981
nice argument

>>165823030
Ditto, you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking

Go play EvE and see how stupid you are

>>165822981
>>165823053

EvE's servers are extremely shitty, TiDi kicks in right now even when you're basically alone.

But the original intention of it was for large fights like 1500 people, so I fail to see how thats relevant.

>>165822847
>if I'm seeing a single player flying around and the server needs 1 kb/s to send me the data for that
If this was WoW and someone was jumping up and down even that wouldnt be 1kb/s

This is spaceships with proper physics with people inside them all having to be dealt with continuously moving. Even ED struggles and EvE had to implement time dilation which is what I guess this other guy is talking about.

>>165823053
try making an actual argument
>>165823130
explain how this is being limited by average joe's connection

>>165823130
>This is spaceships with proper physics with people inside them all having to be dealt with continuously moving.

You'd know why thats less of an issue than you're making it out to be if you actually followed their progress on this, but its okay.

We'll all see how it goes, and until that point its kind of a stupid conversation to have. People will continue to believe its impossible until its done

>>165823094
>EvE's servers are extremely shitty
Considering what they can handle they are actually fucking godlike. They do better than WoWs servers and is probably the only thing CCCP hasnt cheaped out on. It doesnt seem like they do much because you dont physically fly your ship but its still treated like that, and there is a metric fuckton of behind the scenes continuously updated bits of information like dropoff that has to be dealt with dynamically.

>>165823130
E:D is a completely different network infrastucture, so thats not a particularly fair comparison.

P2P arena FPS games with 10 people can struggle.

>>165823225
>Considering what they can handle they are actually fucking godlike.

...no

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>>165822904
>I know better about a game than the people making it. Period.
>No one has done it before so it's literally, figuratively and rhetorically impossible. Period.
>I can see the future. Period.

>>165823217
>People will continue to believe its impossible until its done
This isnt a 'we cant go to space' argument, you're literally saying you can cut your head off and survive, you're completely detached from the reality of what servers can actually handle.

But okay kid, when 3.0 comes out and its 48 people and not 250 dont come crying to /scg/ with your shitposting.

>>165823304
>Its not a "its impossible because its never been done before" thing, its impossible! Its never been done before!

lol

>>165823304
Honestly I wouldn't even care if SC turned out to be a quarter of what they promised, I just want ED with FPS and modern online features like guilds.

>heavy physics based game
>Hundreds of players
Call me in 2100 when this is possible

>>165823304
so what is it now, can the servers not handle it or average joe's connection
get your fucking shit together

>>165823392
>I just want ED with FPS and modern online features like guilds.

Nobody cares if you've set your standards that low

>>165823417
Anon, its me from the future

you're still a dumbass

>>165823475
>Nobody cares if you've set your standards that low
I prefer the term realistic, but whatever my man, just don't come crying here when the game doesn't live up to your VISION OF FIDELITY

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How do we fix this underwhelming flight model iteration, /scg/?

>>165823475
dont get pissy at me because you got this idea SC was made with millions of players in one instance in your head, they literally never said that

>>165823434
I know its hard holding two ideas in your head but did it occur to you there are many factors as to why we cant have hundreds of players in a server for a game like this? Probably not, no more replies for you because you're just shitposting now to save face.

>>165823656
Remove all space combat, make all combat atmospheric or gravity based around large mass or anomalies.

>Fighting in a void
>Ever good
>Literally just circle strafing or head ons all day every day

>>165823656
2.6 flight model is gud though.

Needs a little tweaking but better than 2.5

>>165823695
"One thing I don’t like about most MMO structures is the fragmentation of the player base between these “shards”. If you had joined much later than a friend of yours, there may not be room on his world instance anymore and you have to join another parallel one and so cannot play together. This is one of the nice things about the Eve Online design – everyone plays in the same universe.

In Star Citizen there is going to be one persistent universe server that everyone exists on. So you will never be separated from your friends"

:^)

>>165823969

>better than 2.5

2.4 was better 2bh

>>165824030
you failed to understand his point entirely

he doesnt like it when Y and X are friends in the same location but cant see each other because they are in separate 'shards' like gw2 does. he isnt saying all billion people can see each other.

they are doing a system like ED where no matter how many people are in an instance your friends always appear

so again, they never said there will be millions of people in a single instance and you just clarified with your quote so well done

>>165824030
You don't continually drop out of warp just because there is another player or hostile NPC near you in the persistent universe. The persistent universe server match creates battle instances based on several criteria - besides the usual skill and ship criteria it also takes into account whether you've already had an encounter during your journey. In more dangerous places you can drop out to fight more often than you would in safer ones. ”

“ Once the Galaxy Server has determined that you will have an encounter based on the above criteria it either dynamically creates a battle instance, or puts you in one if one already exists at the encounter point, and that instance has room for new players. To exit this instance you either have to resolve the hostilities by defeating who’s targeting you, negotiating an exit or just outrunning them.

Think of a “battle” instance like a Battlefield 3 multiplayer session or a World of Tanks Battle with the key difference that the selection of players is done transparently and is “in fiction”.

>Think of a “battle” instance like a Battlefield 3 multiplayer session or a World of Tanks Battle with the key difference that the selection of players is done transparently
>Think of a battle instance like Battlefield 3
>Battlefield 3
>Thousands of players in a single instance


(^:

>>165824298
>Battlefield 3
>128 players in a single server / instance
>entire conversation was about the fact that 150+ was unrealistic and "completely impossible"

rero

>>165824384
>Battlefield 3
>Generic shooter with little to no simulation
>Literally one of the easiest things in the world for as server to handle outside of a literal text document
>Same as SC
>Thousands of players
(((((((^:

>>165824434
>Literally one of the easiest things in the world for as server to handle outside of a literal text document

Whoa there niggy nog, are you suggesting a game with air, land and sea vehicles, including an accurate sea simulation with waves that physically affect vehicles, ballistics including drop is easy?

News for you, kid

>>165821748
>If SC turns out to be a scam I demand this be posted in the OP until this general dies
If SC turns out to be a scam, this general will be dead almost instantly. Beside all the people raging and posting disappointment, there'll be, all 5 of you ED players left?

>>165823294
You can't argue with Derek Smart. He's an industry leader and knows what he's talking about.

>>165823969
>>165824162
I wasn't here for 2.4, but I was pretty comfortable in 2.5. That said, 2.6 isn't all that bad, just needs to be a tiny bit faster in the lateral movement maybe.

It's really just a question of exactly what you think combat should be in the first place. Should it be circle strafing? Should it be chase dogfights? It's pretty much one or the other, I think.

>>165825412
Chase dogfighting in space doesn't make a whole lot of sense

>>165825443
I was about to say how I agreed, but then I realized there was a situation one might be in a chase dogfight: Trying to escape.

I think I stand by my assessment that lateral movement increase is all that's really needed. Can you get to full SCM speeds laterally right now?

>>165825609
>Can you get to full SCM speeds laterally right now?

Yep

but thats always been the case. Top speed isn't all that useful in the same way acceleration is though, and the latter got shit all over

>>165825790
Ah, that IS true.

Maybe we'll get some nice improvements when thrusters are swappable?

>>165821562
Since most ships can run from pirates, I do FSD upgrades first, before weapons. It also saves time when the other Engineers give you the galactic runaround looking for mats.

>>165782810
Eh, the SRV scanner is the only one that can read things like obelisks, and I often find small sites strewn with junk and loot unintentionally on generator missions.

>>165776093
Diamondback Scout is nippy and has a good jump range, it's underrated but you can turn it into one of the nastiest silent runners around, cince it has naturally superior cooling; see Archon Fury's youtube channel for some slick kills in it.

It's bigger brother the Diamondback Explorer is often compared to the Asp , but is more combat oriented, the DBE has a large hardpoint replacing the DBS's two smalls, a better jump range and actual cargo capacity, but sacrifices speed, mobility and some heat efficiency.

>>165821562
Yes. Upgraded fsd will save a lot of time on everything you do.

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ded

>>165833221
what is ded may never ded

>>165823656
Remove AB completely and give one throttle sweep from full stop to full "AB" speed. Scale fuel consumption accordingly, and draw all ships fuel from one tank, instead of a quantum tank and boost tank.

The AB mode currently is nonsense, How do you after burn something which does not consume fuel to use? What is the before that is now being after burned?

>>165834597
If you're not brain dead and have a feel for your ship, you can put yourself at any speed between 0 and full AB. Improves throttle control and adds a layer of skill there.

>>165819352
>Remove all space combat, make all combat atmospheric or gravity based
All space combat is gravity based.

>>165834752
I don't have a problem getting what I want out of the current controls, the question was what I would change to improve the flight model.

I would keep the precision mode, but tie thrusters and SCM to fuel use. Otherwise, I would cut the ships loose and let people fight. This idea of not using fuel while you maneuver just stinks of poor design. If someone is really good at turning their ship and using weapons, they should be rewarded for that skill. To keep things on balance, the best fighters should have the highest fuel consumption as well. This will naturally limit how long they can stay in a fight and give other people a chance when the leaders have to stop for fuel, as you would in a real space craft.

>>165835621
>This idea of not using fuel while you maneuver

But that doesn't exist.

If you're fighting someone and not using boost fuel, they're either shit or you're dead. As soon as your fuel runs out you're a sitting duck, and that does happen if you're having to push your ship and not fighting braindead NPCs

>>165835758
>both sides are forced to use boost until exhaustion.

That's my point, boost is broken, as implemented. There is no situation where you do not boost, meaning the function should be folded into the default model.

Reduce the consumption, but make it constant, so the poeple flailing around and making wild maneuvers will use the most fuel. This will change the fight into a energy management fight, much more like a real dogfight.

>>165836175

That would just mean that dozens of shitters could attrite the best pilots through pure numbers, never a good idea.

Only have to boost right now if your opponent is good enough to make you have to. Which unfortunately is rare.

>>165836301
>That would just mean that dozens of shitters could attrite the best pilots through pure numbers

Some kind of elvish, I don't understand

Boost and AB are dumb crutches for a fairly bland flight model.

>>165836623
If you have to use fuel regardless of what you're doing, enough Auroras with zero dogfighting skill will eventually push off the best pilot in a Hornet because their time is extremely limited as per your suggestion.

Thats good a good plan.

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I'm so conflicted about Frontier, the game is a fucking drag to play but they still completely nail shit.
Like the sound design for instance, the FDLs engine sounds amazing, all the surrounding noise when landing in a hub and the impact of the weapons. And also the visual presentation, when a canopy breaks the broken part of the screen didn't show the UI so I had to use the other instruments on the dash to make it there. Was a pretty fucking cool moment, I really wish they could channel their talent into something a more fulfilling game. I guess I could try planet coaster, haven't played any theme park game since Rollercoaster tycoon.

>>165836709
Oh ok, got ya. I guess the best analogy would be whether jumping in the middle of a bar fight and trying to kick everyone's ass by yourself is a good idea.

In the current flight model, if you are a better fighter, you will never tire or run out of energy before your opponents, so plan A is a good idea. If instead, you tire out after a few rounds, you might reconsider jumping in the middle of everyone, and might respect your opponent a little more.

>should we have a skill based way for a dogfight to get turned on it's head?

I'm ok with it.

>>165836852
It's a pre 2.2 screenshot, right?

>>165837171
Yeah, took that ages ago. Looks better now.

>>165836852
Planet coaster has insane terrain generation tools and world building.
I can't really think of another game where player-made geology looks that good.

>>165837278
Another thing that pisses me off about FD.

>do something good
>reitrate on it in the next patch an make it worse

They went and shat on surface textures/materials, esp the ice ones. Now they look like shit up close and one of the transition textures is pixilated, you can see it even on max settings and a custom ini.

WHYYYYYYYYY

>>165836852
The one thing I could suck their dicks for is the ability to sell back components for the original price. I hate games that fuck you over if you buy something that turns out to be worthless and can only get 1/10 of the price back or some shit. It's especially important here when the grind makes money genuinely valuable, I would have probably dropped the game buy now if it wasn't for this.

>>165836852
I think from a technical standpoint Frontier are an extremlely talented developer, certainly much more than they are given credit for. Their sound guys are without a doubt some of the best in the industry, both ED and Planet coaster are exceptional in that regard.
It's content and game design where they suffer. Content is just a simple matter of how many hours you can afford in manpower to produce things to do, but game design is something far more complex, with no single correct answer. And where ideally, this shortcoming would be resolved by community feedback, Elite encounters the problem that it's own community are equally out of touch as it's developers.

I'm new to the game and have spent more than a week grinding like a motherfucker and made just under 20 million cr. Out of boredom I decided to buy an Eagle and buy pretty much all the best upgrades I could find, and have made over 2 million in the last hour alone in bounties helping Federation ships kill criminals at an excavation site. Why didn't anyone tell me?

>>165837946
If you want money hit up robigo mines. Then go buy yourself an Anaconda.

Is the anaconda my only option for endgame e:d or are there other capable ships?

Can I use a lower tier ship that I like more instead?

>>165838881
>Endgame

Ah, jokes.

Every fucking captcha I'm typing is failing. Hiro is desperate to get me to buy that pass

>>165839518
But E:D has an endgame, m8

Linear vertical progression and optimal fittings makes it that way

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>>165794770
jej

>>165839620
ED has no end game because nothing changes gameplay wise when you get the biggest ships. I guess you can consider PVP the end game, but that's broken.

>>165821613
>outsource vendor
will they never fucking learn?

>>165838881
Federal Corvette, Anaconda, and Imperial Cutter are the "big 3," I guess you could call them end-game ships. Many people prefer smaller ships, though, and the engineers have opened up a lot of build possibilities and somewhat closed the gap between the biggest ships and littler ones.

For instance, one of my ships is a Diamondback Scout with a pair of feedback cascade torpedo launchers, which are capable of one-shotting the shields on any ship. I use silent running to sneak up on people, nuke their shields, and then snipe their modules with a pair of super penetrator rail guns. Works breddy gud.

>>165838607
Is this for bounties or do the missions pay better here?

>>165840517
This. I saw a video of a guy in a viper mk 3 using a similar build to take out a player's corvette. People who claim the game has "linear progression" don't know how to fight.

>>165840697
All the missions are to smuggle slaves. Just take the missions then the sell the slaves back to the outpost through commodities market.

You'll want a ship with a big cargo capacity to make the most of it.

Oh and don't bother paying the fines.

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tell me how these eyes can lie

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>>165841892

>>165840517
>One-shotting the shields on any ship

I don't see this as a good thing. I see this as an utter failure of balancing garbage engineers. Especially if you can take out the shields of a potentially billion dollar ship in one shot.

>>165841734
Awesome, thanks. I have a Type-6 that should do the job.

>>165842813
Because it is. Shit even MWO is not THAT cheesy.

PvP in ED is a joke.

>>165842813
There are counters. They are very slow, even the slowest ships can outrun them, and their tracking speed is slow, so if you just boost out of their trajectory they'll explode long before they turn around and hit you. ECM knocks them out, and point defence destroys them given enough time. They also have an arming timer on them (I believe it's 3-4 seconds), so you can't just dump them at short range, the target will always have at least a few seconds of warning.

In short, they only work on clueless players who aren't paying attention or don't know how to counter them. Serious pvpers don't use them, they're a gimmick weapon for ganking.

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>>165780679
What the hell determines if we're locked out or not?
Their lack of self awareness feels so good :(

>>165843290
So can they legitimately take out the shields on even the biggest ships? And how many can you fire per minute?

>>165844104
You need to land 4 of them, which is 2 class 2 torpedo pylons worth. Once you've fired them off, they're done until you go back to a station to buy more torpedoes. So, aside from the many ways to counter them, they're also an all eggs in one basket kind of weapon, if they don't work, you're down two weapons worth of dps for the rest of the fight. Like I said, they're a gimmick weapon for ganking dads and nubs.

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Hey everyone this week’s update is all about our plans for 2017. Obviously, our biggest goal for the year is shipping Infinity: Battlescape to retail. This was originally estimated to be in September but because we’re likely going to be 4-6 months late with releasing the Alpha there’s a good chance the final release of the game could slip into early 2018. Fortunately, we’ve been judicious with expenditures (in no small part due to sacrifices made by team members) so financially we’re able to cover the delay with some extra room to spare.

Our near-term focus is of course on releasing the Alpha. This will consist of finishing up the networking, new UI system, and creating initial implementations for all major gameplay systems. Last October we promised that we would offer a free play weekend for Alpha backers to make up for the delay. We’re excited to announce that the release of our latest patch has gone smoothly and we’ll be making the game available to Alpha backers on Friday, February 27th at 2pm EST through Monday, February 30th at 2pm EST. Please keep in mind that since the Alpha isn’t ready yet this will be a build of the prototype and many parts of the game will be unfinished or even non-existent.

After the Alpha is released and as we look toward the Beta there is a major problem we must address – marketing. Nobody on the team has much experience with marketing and if anything over the last year and a half we’ve all learned that we’d prefer to avoid bothering with it. Unfortunately, marketing is critically important to the success of Infinity: Battlescape so it’s something we’re going to have to master once the game begins to mature.

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For starters, the easiest way for us to begin marketing the game better is to empower you, our fans, to go out and spread the word about why you love Infinity: Battlescape. The cornerstone of our strategy for accomplishing this is video. We obviously don’t have a lot of resources to build something incredibly elaborate however it’s still something we’re going to invest quite a bit of time into. Most of this effort will be concentrated on the ability to record and play back gaming sessions - similar to Blizzard’s Overwatch. In fact part of the reason the networking has been taking so long is that Flavien has already spent a considerable amount of time on the playback system.

Another way for us to empower our fans is to make sharing snippets of video as easy as possible. Experienced streamers are still going to work with specialized streaming software however we want to make it effortless for less dedicated users to quickly share short videos with their friends. Our plan for accomplishing this is to create a hot key for toggling video recording on/off as well as a hot key for recording quick 5 second videos for posting to Twitter or as a gif on forums. We want to integrate support for YouTube so that the game can automatically upload these videos for you in the background. Our video recorder will make use of dedicated hardware on your CPU or GPU so it should have a minimal impact on framerate.

We’ve discussed the possibility of attending one of the PAX conferences this year. The most likely candidates are PAX West and PAX South. Through our research we’ve arrived at an estimated cost of ~$10k which is quite significant for a small company like us. If we see a large enough bump in sales after the Alpha is released we’ll attend one of those conferences. Otherwise we’ll save our pennies and look at attending PAX in 2018 after the game ships to retail.

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Rounding out our marketing strategy is improving our website, search engine optimization, getting better with Google analytics, developing an ad campaign through various social media platforms, and of course releasing the game on Steam. A common question we get is when will the game be available on Steam? Due to the mechanics of their review system we don’t want to release Infinity: Battlescape on Early Access until sometime after we ship the Beta.

You can summarize 2016 as the year we invested in the foundation of what we believe will make Infinity: Battlescape a successful game that we can support for years to come. This year will be the year we bring it all together to craft a great gameplay experience. It’s going to be a hell of an effort, the struggle is real, but we’re confident that, with your support, we’ll deliver an experience that’s truly special.

>>165846979
>>165847121
>>165847264
>pls shill our shit
Jesus mio!

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>>165847121
>. Most of this effort will be concentrated on the ability to record and play back gaming sessions - similar to Blizzard’s Overwatch.
Even a small indie kickstarter can make a space sim with a killcam. LMAO

CIG status: toldasoreass rekt

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>>165846979
Thanks m8, appreciate it!

>>165847839
>Even a small indie kickstarter can make a space sim with a killcam

They haven't yet. Did you actually read that? It literally says that they WILL get around to that feature.

You're cheering them on for actually saying the exact same shiat as CIG.

I demand a better grade of shiatposter

>>165848480
Please give a source where CIG says they are implementing play-back features.

>>165848586
It's in the Reliant focused Jump Point and a dozen other places spread out over the years.

Jesus fuck do you even follow development or you just follow DS's twitter?

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>>165847839
>>165848480
>>165848586
Kill cams are Nu-gaming bullshit designed to punish players who make use of creative or clever positioning and provide a crutch for run and gun zerging bads with no situational awareness

SC killcam Never.

>>165849130
>punish players who make use of creative or clever positioning
Translation:
>i want to hide inside the map and kill people and stream it because it makes me feel good to grief people and killcams would stop the abuse so i dont want them

You're a permabad shitter, just uninstall.

>>165849263
>You're a permabad shitter

We know you are. You want the game to tell you where the guy who shot you is instead of finding him yourself.

>what's situational awareness?
>lol don't care I'll just watch a killcam to find out how I died

>>165846979
>2017 update: might not be until 2018!
well at least they're honest, also showcasing why CR is not more honest.

>>165849263
>hide inside the map and kill people
>it makes me feel good to grief people
>killing people in a videogame is griefing

Whoa there daddy O, you have Elite for that shiat. Please don't infect Star Citizen with your special brand of anti-social tendencies.

>>165849414
>You want the game to tell you where the guy who shot you is
No I want to see if they are using aimbot.

And do you know how retarded your opinion is?

People MOVE during the game. Only permabad shitters camp. If you kill someone, you're likely going to be 50m away from that position when the person you killed is checking their killcam. That's dynamic gameplay.

You don't want dynamic gameplay?

No you want a crutch LOL! Dad detected.

>>165848586
>>165848480
what do we need ebin replays for anyway, user end recording software should be ubiquitous by now, in fact I'm recording my desktop right now and I don't even have any reason to be, my recording software is just always on.

>>165849263
>Hide inside the map.
You address exploits and bugs with bugfixes and bans, not with game mechanics. Telling a player where the guy who shot him was causes far more unfair gameplay than if would ever prevent. Particularly in a game with threats coming from literally every possible direction just giving away that sort of positional intel is game breaking. theres no point in trying to position well if the first kill is going to compromise your location completely.

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Anybody got links or pics of that Org that used random anime/manga pictures and put speech bubbles on them ?

>>165849618
If you get killed from 1 mile away by a cheater, and you don't have any way to see where they are, or how they killed you, or if they are cheating, then essentially you're just a cuck. Just keep spawning and getting killed. "i guess he's just more skilled than me xD"

Without feedback information you can't spot cheaters or do anything about them.

Only cheaters and permabad shitters want this.

>Don't ever tell me or my wife's bull's son about aimbots ever again.

I j-just want to find cheaters guise

I'm good at shootan, I'm not a shitter with zero situational awareness

>>165849879
>I need security from the potential bad people that want to abuse me
git gud faggot. if you're getting sniped through walls it should be obvious, if you're getting sniped in the open that's your fault. CIG agrees that you should be running your own cap software if you want to catch hackers in the act because they don't have time to deal with your false positive "he must have been hacking because there's no way I just lost a fair fight" faggotry.

>>165849879
>I can't find and kill people who killed me unless I have a crutch
>and everyone who kills me is a dirty camper
>there's no way I could be outskilled I'm too awesome at vidya for that to happen

>>165849776
>you address exploits and bugs with bugfixes and bans
Without being able to see enemies exploiting, how do you expect to report bugs? LOL dumb.

method 1 (my method)
>get killed
>watch the killcam
>see them cheating inside a wall
>report them
>they get banned
>bug fixed

method 2 (your method)
>get killed
>try again commando? o7
>respawn
>get killed
>try again commando? o7
>respawn
>get killed
>try again commando? o7
>quit game
>uninstall
>cheater is still online
>bug is not fixed
>CIG doesn't even know about it

>>165850341
>he must have been hacking because there's no way I just lost a fair fight

This is what I hate about Star Marine. It brings these sort of cancer ridden faggots onto the scene and emboldens them to speak out.

Star Marine was a mistake.

>>165850368
>method 1 (my method)

Your method sounds like you're a 12 year old who whines whenever anyone kills you at any time.

Could you just leave and never come back, this game isn't for you, the demographic skew much older.

Go play Overmeme or whatever you children play these days.

>>165850469
I told people that Star Marine would have cheaters. Nobody listened. I spoke about the cheats being evident days before the aimbot video got posted.

Yet you won't accept that many people are shit at games and need to cheat, you have your head up your ass and would rather blame the people speaking out against them.

>shut up shut up shut up i just want my video games wahhhh
You're like a little child.

>>165850645
>Your method sounds like you're a 12 year old who whines whenever anyone kills you at any time.
And you sound younger and more dumb with every post you make.

>>165842813

Shut the fuck up. Engineers is the best thing to happen in Elite since it's release. The game is actually tolerable now.

>>165850724
>I told people that Star Marine would have cheaters

Nobody cares bro. Go away.

>>165850783
Acting like a cultist is the new /scg/ meta. Good job.

>>165850838
Leave, leave now.

>>165850368
the game has everything you need to catch a cheater already provided you are recording.
>get shot through wall
>see damage indicator coming from wall where nobody is standing
>see the very obvious (too obvious already imo) traces that every weapon has coming out of the wall
>see name of player that killed you
>press save playback hotkey and send to CIG
you don't need a killcam for this. all a killcam would be good for is enabling you to find the nested sniper that keeps killing you when you wander out into the center square if you're too much of a baddie to see the big red line that goes from him to you every time he fires.

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>>165850740
>Engineers is the best thing to happen in Elite since it's release

>>165850740
>Tolerable
>By introducing the worst grind yet
>By making NPCs broken
>By giving people the most imbalanced garbage
>But forcing people to buy Engineers to compete

Kill yourself you shill

About 4 hours in,did a few missions delivering info.What should i do?
Upgrade sidewinder,buy another ship,what kind of missions should i do?

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Star Marine should have never been made. It's brought all these FPS crazy maggots out of the woodwork and they're infesting my space game comfy general.

>le kill cam
>le wall hacks
>le waaaaaaah he killed me HAXXOR!

It's a fucking open world sandbox you fucking retarded niggers.

I want all of you to fucking end yourself right now so that this general can be cleansed of this filth.

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>>165851325
see >>165794770

It was over long ago.

>>165850934
>the game has everything you need to catch a cheater already provided you are recording
If I recorded a video of me getting shot through a wall and killed, and uploaded it to RSI and /scg/, both places have cultists like >>165850902 that would tell me to kill myself.

"But maybe they were just random bullets xD" You can't convince someone with facts when they have already made up their mind to be ignorant.

There's no way to scroll through the kill log and use it as evidence. It's just a tiny little fast-moving window at the top of the screen and there's no way to save it or interact with it in any way. It would take hours to edit a video file to go through the 30 minutes of footage of Star Marine to find where his name appears in the log. Do you think CIG is going to sit through hundreds of 30 minute videos submitted to them? Do you realize how big video files are? I recorded like 30 seconds in FRAPS once and it was like 20gb or something stupid.

The only thing close to reasonable in your post was having the damage indicator on while being shot through a wall, but it wouldn't work.

All bullets can go through walls not just cheaters' bullets. You can't see their crosshair or their POV flicking from target to target, or record it as definitive proof.

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>yfw when you realize that Ved is back and shiatposting like it's 2013 again

>>165851051
>>165851108

>introducing new ways to play ships
>making ships that were pretty bad actually viable for use
>giving players something to strive for to be competitive against people in muh big ships
>a bad thing

>>165851809
Who do you think kept this general alive?

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>>165851815
>New ways to play ships
>Oh hey, you can boost faster!
>Or you can shoot red lasers that do heat damage! Yay for new ways to play your ship!

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>>165851758
>I recorded like 30 seconds in FRAPS once and it was like 20gb or something stupid

How are you using a computer when you're clearly disabled?

@165851971
I'll reply to you properly when you start using arguments.

>>165851915
>I shiatpost to keep the general alive

Then perhaps it should not be alive.

>>165851758
>scrolling through the kill log
Nigger what, the death screen has who killed you and how in giant letters.
>sending giant full match FRAPS files
I don't even know where to start here.

@165852215
>I don't even know where to start here
Then stop replying to me until you can formulate an argument or submit anything constructive to the thread.

I bet that's you Confusion

>>165851962

>reeeeeee a viper can kill me in my corvette i cant just two shot him reeeeeeeeeee

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>>165851108

So you're arguing a system should never become more complex, because it means people have to adapt to that increased complexity?

>>165852576
>So you're arguing a system should never become more complex

Engineers doesn't add complexity. It adds an RNG based grind on top of the already existing linear ship treadmill.

You sir are either an actual idiot or are pretending to be a dad.

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>>165852385
No, it was me, Barry, it was me all along.

>>165852576
>Become more complex

No, because complex to you means tacking on another hundred hours of tedium and bullshit. No, you wouldn't know complex if it bit you in your chode of a dick that has never pleased anyone in your life.

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>>165852845

What the fuck are you talking about? Engineers add different ways to play and kit out ships that wouldn't be possible without the system in place. The added options and counters are layers of complexity, regardless of how you personally feel about them.

Also, hips aren't linear, a properly kitted "lower" rank ship can take out a "higher" rank ship with the engineer system, and unlocking things though doing things in game is pretty much standard in any vidya.

>>165852335
well basically arguing with you is like arguing with a five year old, your arguments are genuinely comical and worthy of being introduced by Art Linkletter.

First off nobody uses fucking FRAPS for the reasons you have given. Second the average recording software is always running, you just hit 'save playback' when you want to snip what just happened, you don't have to grab the entire match. all this stuff about interacting with kill feeds is complete gibberish and I have no idea why you would need or want to do that, but it would be right there in any video segment you saved regardless. as for taking hours to edit, no, this is also retarded for what should be obvious reasons. you grab the last 2 minutes of play when you hit save playback, and chop all but the relevant 30 seconds or so. this takes under a minute on average including render time and can be done directly in the program people use to cut webms for posting on 4chan.

>>165853550
This has got to be bait.

>>165853584
>Second the average recording software is always running
Median average?

>>165853706
that anon is actually not wrong

a little melodramatic, but not wrong

they've reduced the grind to get this stuff significantly, it's massively improved the variety of viable ships and builds in the game, and how else would you unlock it but by playing the game?

>>165823969
No.

I loved my Hornet in 2.5 over my Sabre. Flying her felt like she was made for me.

In 2.6 she doesn't feel as intuitive anymore. Now I keep screwing up, miss decelerating on time, bump things etc. All while the Sabre feels less agile now.

The ships lost character in 2.6.

>>165854189
even if it was actually good, it's still indefensible to make everyone essentially buy the game a second time to get these improvements, or be completely left in the cold without them. basically you have to pay the full sticker price again to keep playing unless you want to be easy prey for anyone who looks at you funny, and frankly the base game just doesn't have enough content to make that worthwhile anyway.

>someone here believes that star citizen will be to support 200 players in a single instance

Are you retarded? The only way I think that'd be possible is if the game adopted a similar system to Eve's Time Dilation and even then no one's fucking computer could handle that many polygons being in such a small amount of space.

>>165856080
What are LODs

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>>165855518
>lost character
no they just fucked up the flightmodel to the extent that it's overall flaws outshine the intricacies of individual ships' handling. look at this fucking crap. note when coupling is turned off and when decoupling actually happens. almost got me killed and it happens regularly. good luck racing like this.

>>165825412
chase fighting vs circle strafing/jousting is more a matter of objective. CtC was my favorite AC game type when it was new and active because you had actual chase fights there, even though it was in the old 2.4 model, because there was actually somewhere the players were trying to get to/away from, so stopping to engage was rare. the same will be true in the full game, as it already has been in Crusader when someone breaks off to run for it, or is trying to get to a station before getting killed.

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>>165856264
>LOD

DON'T SAY THAT HERE
YOU WILL SUMMON HIM

>>165856264
Levels of detail, i.e. close up objects have more polygons and pixels than those further away, which allows more objects to be on the screen if they are further apart. Some people think Star Citizen will have hundreds of people in one place in their 10million polygon ships.

How do I find explorers in deep space in ed?

>>165856673
join a player group or sign up for one of the mass expeditions

>>165856351
Man that coupling sucks. Yeah I hope they do something about the model. Cruising around really isn't as fun anymore.

>>165856567
>in one place
Considering the nature of space battles, most of the ships will be so far apart that you'd get away rendering them with 200 polygons each

>>165857487
hell unless you're deliberately getting close to target components or the pilot, as often as not the ship is completely obscured by the targeting reticule.

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oh god

>>165822904
>>165823417

Just want to point out that with good enough server hardware Squad can have 100 players. With fantastic server hardware (and careful mission scripting) the ARMA games can have 100+ players.

Star Citizen has several advantages over these other games when it comes to optimisation, including:

- Dead Reckoning. This is the system CIG have built to that ships which are not under acceleration do not need to tell the server where they are. The server knows where they are until they change vector, at which point the client updates the server.

- Aggressive player culling. If your Caterpillar is fighting a Starfarer, then nobody on your ship needs to receive updates about anyone on their ship, and vice versa. This is super important for raising the player cap, and it is something they have confirmed that they are working on.

- Aggressive projectile culling. Again, a client only needs to know about projectiles which are relevant. Done right this will mean updating fewer players per frame.

- Client-side physics. When a ship explodes into pieces the big bits need to be synchronised, but all of the little bits coming off can be done client side. This is what the new damage model is, and it is why the old damage model (synchronise everything) is so slow.

- Controlled hardware. Squad and ARMA get good player counts on community hardware, which is normally good but there is no guarantee of that. CIG will hopefully be monitoring their cloud servers constantly.

- Server meshing. This is the big one. This was the primary goal of 3.0 when it was still called 2.7. This involves multiple servers co-operating to handle a single system, with each server controlling a zone which scales to keep the number of players the same in each zone. This is kind of crazy and if they make it work then it will re-write all the rules of MMO design.

>>165858125
I hope it's true to the game.

>Game comes with a grindstone
>You have to grind things for 500 before you can open the rule book
>It just says "That was the game" on every page

>>165856818
I want to find them to kill them. Is this allowed in this game? Just want to collect tears of people who lost weeks of exploration data.

>>165858361
>ARMA games can have 100+ players.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

heheh

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>>165858636
>He hasn't played 120 player King of the Hill

>>165858361

(cont.)

It's difficult to estimate a player count because different players will have different impacts on a server. A fighter pilot will probably have the most, with a seated passenger having the least.

If CIG do a good job of optimisation then I would expect up to 200 players in an instance, although probably less than half of those would be pilots.

If the server meshing stuff they are talking about takes off though then all bets are off: CR has talked about "thousands" of players in an instance if they can get this to work.

>>165858567
Yep. Just LARP as a dad when you sign up and then murder everyone you find.

The true endgame of Elite is being publicly called out for being a "sociopathic griefer scumbag" by one of the dads on leddit or the forums

>>165858636
>>165858902

The engine can handle a staggering number of players, and the server hardware is normally up to the task.

The main issue with ARMA is that all of the missions are made by the community, who have to use the scripting engine (dressed up as the Editor). Most mission-makers have absolutely no idea what they are doing and just waste server resources, this is (partly) why ARMA servers can have 20-30 players and still run like shit.

The VBS "games" on the same engine, used by the military, do a better job of physics simulation and support a much higher number of players. This is because the scenarios are built by BIS.