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/shmupg/ - shoot 'em up general

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Tiddy Edition

This general is for discussing all shmups/stgs (shoot 'em ups/shooting type games).

Previous thread: >>164706283 (Cross-thread)

Need something to play? Check this shit out: https://mega.nz/#!mlwG3ZCJ!NMdWxNY4pjqc1vFGwzyPIbtGor0GHObcfENNMgOQW1s

Join us on Steam! http://steamcommunity.com/groups/shmupg

>RECENT RELEASES:

Caladrius Blaze
http://store.steampowered.com/app/386770/

DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu
http://store.steampowered.com/app/464450/

Mecha Ritz Steel Rondo
http://store.steampowered.com/app/463070

RefRain
http://store.steampowered.com/app/435970/

Shmups Skill Test
http://store.steampowered.com/app/430290/

WITCH-BOT MEGLILO:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/437020/

Blue Revolver
http://store.steampowered.com/app/439490/

>UPCOMING RELEASES:

Xydonia
http://www.indiedb.com/games/xydonia

iMalice
http://amamoriya.gozaru.jp/imalice/

Go Go Burunyanman Ecstasy!!! Steam-Edition
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=660224194

Other links
STG stream aggregator: https://stgrillz.appspot.com/

/shmupg/ high-score list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K0DesawgMQiFNMv2MZxxwdjzBudCIMMb3BkjQJaHjxI/edit?usp=sharing

/shmupg/ community YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp2e9X5tR9BLdSlIGjzftDA
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>>165676729
>no shitposting allowed.jpg
it's not shitposting it's funposting!
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>spend 1 hour on ketsui trying to get ura loop requirements with savestates
>kill final boss without bombing once and have 138 mil in the end
>dont get into ura loop

also that fucking huge ship at the beginning of stage 5 is total complete bullshit since it has so much hp and the enemies shooting from left combined with its screenwide pattern make it almost impossible to kill without bombing
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gibsmedat stgweekly
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>>165676919
"stg" "weekly"
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Are versus shmups like Senko no Ronde, Acceleration of Suguri, Virtual On and Gundam EX VS shmups?
Does anyone here play these games if so?
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>>165676996
>Are versus shmups like Senko no Ronde, Acceleration of Suguri, Virtual On and Gundam EX VS shmups?
Yes.

>Does anyone here play these games if so?
PoDD is best versushmup.

>tfw can't beat Raymoo on Lunatic
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>>165676996
>Gundam EXVS
>shmup
I, uh, what? I mean I ply the exvs games but what would make you think they are shmups?
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>>165676996
waiting warmly for Fruitbat Factory to release the Steam version of Acceleration of Suguri 2 with improved netcode, lobby support and more

Otherwise I just play Twinkle Star Sprites for versus
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>>165676913
>that fucking huge ship at the beginning of stage 5

It's easy just misdirect the bullets
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>>165667396
Hah, that's like the stupidest thing I've ever hear-
>Follett
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watching the STG weekly episode on DFK and I wanna strangle cream.
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>>165680383
Glad '''she''' gave up on shooting games.
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>>165681248
It's possible that she's back, considering that she watched and wrote in chat on today's STGWeekly episode.
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Guys im prepping strikers 1945 plus 1cc grinding in the next period and I was wondering if there is any traps around picking up specific difficulty level or region?
Asking because I am noticing if i set it to level 1 the game goes harder on me than when I set it on level 8 US region and I cant seem to find any info on it.
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>>165682886
>was wondering if there is any traps around
kamui was streaming
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50% of shmup players should be womyn tbqh

the patriarchy controls all the best scores
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https://www.twitch tv/gunnerstg

mushi maniac
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>>165681942
she kept talking about how hot trap15 is, aquas and co just ignored her. it was awkward.
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>>165688070
>trap
>hot

nigga is a skeleton, surprised his arms don't snap in half picking up a jamma board
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>>165688760
i guess she has different taste in men than you anon
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>>165688070
That's been a meme since forever.
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>>165689283
Indeed.
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>>165690951
New discord when
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>>165679845
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>>165692338
I don't see any breasts there.
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>>165693042
Denial is a terrible thing, child.
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I FINALLY BEAT HIBACHI!!! Had to use a couple continues because fuck the last phase but I finally did a 2-ALL of DoDonPachi!
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>>165694445
>Had to use a couple continues
>2-ALL
Anon, I have some bad news...
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>>165693332
B-Breasts? Look, breasts?!
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>>165694445
>but I finally did a 2-ALL of DoDonPachi!
>Had to use a couple continues
Sit down, anon. We've got something to tell you which you should know.
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>>165694951
>>165695507
Whatever. I beat the damn game and that's all I care about.
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>>165696187
Fucking loser
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>>165695071
The question marks are fairly telling, dontcha' think~
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>>165696615
Stupid moo cow...
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A 3cc is still pretty good for clearing both loops, though.
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>>165696187
>using continues
>beating the game
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I gice up trying to make a shmup. A shmup without homing lasers is no real shmup, and I just can't figure out how to do them decently.
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>>165703221
>A shmup without homing lasers is no real shmup
CCWI is not a real shmup
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>>165698048
stupid plank of wood
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Blagh, I've been playing Deathsmiles for over 5 years now and I still can't even clear Canyon consistently, letalone Death Mode Hades Castle after it. At this rate, I'll never be good enough for Casper!
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>>165703221
are you that dude who's sperging out over it on /agdg/ and saying he could do better games than 90% of people from there like right now
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>>165708361
>sperging out
It's just same shit as here again. The whole thread is just full of aggressive assholes who spit on you every chance they can get.

And if you defend yourself then, then you are the shitposter. Go and fuck yourself, you fucking retard.
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>>165708812
i'll just link the first posts from that exchange that show you were the first aggressive asshole in there
>>165700506
>>165705147
>>165705284
>>165705653
>>165705958
>>165706052
>>165706340
now please calm your autism and acknowledge that general has enough of its shit and doesn't need more
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>>165709062
>>>165705284 →
>>>165705958 →
Those two posts were me yes, but I really cant see what is supposed to be aggressive about this... Are you fucking retarded perhaps?

Go and fuck off, if you have no fucking clue, you fucking retard. 4chan is just full of aggressive assholes.
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>>165709317
oh the ironing
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>>165709317
>4chan is just full of aggressive assholes.
Then maybe you should leave 4chan. You won't have to deal with us, and we lose one aggressive asshole.
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>>165708081
>me playing shmups
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>>165709382
Fuck off retard. I am sick of you low IQ dumbfucks here.

>>165709496
It's not that the rest of the net would be better, retard. I think you really should care about your own shit, or just stfu completely.
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>>165676610

>tfw when OP image is my waifu

Seriously, I don't see how anyone can play any other character after trying out Layis. Her shot and her first element shot are way better than everyone else's.
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fuck you too, garegga
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>>165703221
>>165705284
>>165705958
>and I just can't figure out how to do them decently.
I implemented curved lasers myself in C once as a simple test. Basically, the way it worked was by implementing a linked list of bullet structs in which the first node (the front tip of the laser) "controlled" or "lead" the rest of the laser. Each frame, it would iterate through the array backwards and set each node's position to that of the previous node in the list and so on, until it reached the first node, whose movement would be calculated as normal based off of velocity, etc. If I wanted the laser to grow, I would add a new node to the back end, or remove the last node to shrink it. It was fairly rough and inefficient since I didn't plan on using it for anything, but it more or less worked perfectly.
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>>165709615
>accuses people of being low IQ
>cant figure out how to make lasers
kek
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>>165710867
I also already have a homing laser, but I just can't figure out how to fade them out, or go comepltely into the target, you know.

They just always disappear instantly, as soon as the parent gets destroyed. Which basically looks like shit.

Another problem I also have is that I don't know how to put a collider on the whole laser. It only has a collider at the front, but if you'd collide at its middle point, it wouldn't harm you.
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>>165711447
>but I just can't figure out how to fade them out, or go comepltely into the target
Depending on how you want to implement it, you could have it to where when the front node reaches its target, it is removed from the list and control is then transferred to the next node, or make it to where each node has an "active" flag that determines if it is drawn and has an active hitbox.
>I also have is that I don't know how to put a collider on the whole laser.
For mine, each node already contained a bullet struct which, in turn, held a rectangular hitbox. From there, doing collision checks was as simple as testing each node's hitbox against the player's.
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>>165712619
>it is removed from the list and control is then transferred to the next node
yes yes, there are many ways to do this, but problem is I don't know how to code this

>each node already contained a bullet struct
I also already tried this, but this doesn't work for me. I tried making a string of bullets out of several children, but it didn't help shit.
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>>165713689
>I also already tried this, but this doesn't work for me. I tried making a string of bullets out of several children, but it didn't help shit.
The main idea of my implementation is that the first node is the only bullet in the list that "acts" like a bullet; the rest are blind followers that do not move and act based off their own velocity, but instead set their position to that of the next node's. This creates the illusion of having the laser move, when in reality each node is just shifting forward.
>yes yes, there are many ways to do this, but problem is I don't know how to code this
As long as you're only updating the first node and then shifting the positions of the rest, removing the first node from a linked list would work fine because the second node would then become the first.
I wish I hadn't gotten rid of the source code for mine, I'd share it with you if I still had it.
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>>165709615
Jesus. Take a chill pill, kraut-kun.
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https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000666.000001290.html

are you ready for more kusoge?
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>>165717263
>CAVE still milking what was once a honorable and highly respected STG series for easy mobage cash
YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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aquas streaming muschi muschi pork
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>>165717263
After the trainwreck that was Gold Label, I don't exactly trust them to make another mobage. I mean I guess I'll try this one if it gets an English release but I'm not expecting much.
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>>165717820
>After the trainwreck that was Gold Label, I don't exactly trust them to make another mobage.
i agree it is shit but think about this for a moment: they're making another one and therefore it made/is making enough cash for them.
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God damn, I'm bored tonight. I got my ass kicked by the Canyon in Deathsmiles for at least a few hours today, so I don't feel like doing that anymore. But I don't know what TO do...

>>165717981
Possibly, but it's only been a month since Gold Label came out. I hope they haven't shit out another mobage from scratch in just that time. I think it more likely that they developed Gold Label and this at the same time, and are just spacing out the releases a little.

Ultimately this must stem from the significant success that Mahou Otome has had, and I guess they're trying to replicate it now but not doing a very good job so far.
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>>165720370
>But I don't know what TO do...
Same thing but stream this time.
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>>165720370
>But I don't know what TO do...
stream

>Ultimately this must stem from the significant success that Mahou Otome has had
why don't they just port it already
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>>165720551
But Casper took such a vicious beating earlier, I don't want to put her though it again so soon!

>>165720705
Port it to what, PC? I guess that could work, maybe.
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>>165721320
Casper is missing.
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>>165709615
pls rember that wen u feel scare of frigten
never forget ttimes wen u feeled happy

wen day is dark alway rember happy day
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>>165721485
So it's Windia's time to shine?
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Gas all desufags and 2hufags.
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>>165726326
2 dad threads to keep alive, great.
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>>165726326
No, go away.
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>>165725038
I guess.
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So apparently Caladrius Blaze is not playable in Offline on Steam

I think I'm gonna refund it and re-buy on GoG. This port's a mess, but the game itself is fun
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>>165726326
Nah.
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>>165726326
No.
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>>165717820
The graphic doesn't looks bad unlike Gold Label
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KINiDMQsJU
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>>165726326
Alright.
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>>165689283
>i guess she has different taste in men than you anon
Her ability to obsess and dedicate suggests she has above average testosterone for a female so no surprise she is attracted to a more effeminate male subject with a little circumstantial encouragement thrown in.

>>165688070
>it was awkward.
Best thing about Cream desu, i find the awkward amusing.

>>165708812
>The whole thread is just full of aggressive assholes who spit on you every chance they can get.
>Go and fuck yourself, you fucking retard.

Ever played self reflection? great game you should try it.

>>165709615
>Fuck off retard. I am sick of you low IQ dumbfucks here.
The i.q meme again, i get that you don't actually know what i.q is a measurement of or how it manifests itself in reality but please stop wheeling it out every time. You're like a leftist shouting ism buzzwords.

>>165717482
>aquas streaming muschi muschi pork
Now he's drunk streaming gimmick like a degenerate, hurrr im so drunk rite guise XD.
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>tfw cream got so triggered by shitposting she got taken to a psych ward one time
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>>165732292
>Her ability to obsess and dedicate suggests she has above average testosterone for a female so no surprise she is attracted to a more effeminate male subject with a little circumstantial encouragement thrown in.
y-you mean she's into dominatrix ?
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>>165728247
Caldrius is a great game. Hope it works out better for you

>>165734996
For whats its worth, that was and still is the best controller I have ever used. Well at least what they are trying to emulate.
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>>165735301
And btw, is Guardian Legend considered a shmup?
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quick question to everyone here. What would be your top 3 best shmup? As in what is the game that you actually have fun playing.
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>>165735532
CCWI
Garagga
Gradius
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>>165734996
I use the original Saturn controller with an adaptor whenever I play a Dreamcast shmup
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>>165734342
kek
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>>165734996
Isn't there a 2hu WR player who actually uses a saturn controller?
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>>165735532

Gradius+Salamander (love all of them)
UN Squadron
Undead Line
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>>165735532
Ikaruga
CCWI
R-Type/Gradius (find them equally good)

>>165735864
I think Jaimers uses a saturn pad
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>>165736038
>R-Type/Gradius
Oh also Darius of course!
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>>165736038
>>165736117
Actually when I think abou it, the best shmups would be
Gradius
R-Type
Rayforce
Just simply because they influenced so many great games. They truely were ahead of its times.
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>>165735656
Also all Compile games
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Caladrius complainer back

the GoG version "works" offline, but there's no way to cancel an attempt to submit a score online. Which the game does automatically after you play. So you're basically going to force quit between every attempt if you play offline.

Still better than not being able to play at all, but fuck man. Moss knows better. Raiden IV Overkill is a far better port than this mess. It has actual resolution options
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>>165735532
>As in what is the game that you actually have fun playing.
shmups? none.
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>>165735532
The Gundemonium trilogy. My favourite one would be GundeadliGne, but the other two are also awesome.
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>>165734996
kinda. PS2 pad is better
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>>165737716
>PS2 pad is better
wrong.
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>>165738627
saturn pad triggers click, your cant mash / tap them quick, that's shit design for you.
upper and bottom face buttons are not aligned and differently shaped, therefore utterly shit. they also feels pretty unconfy compared to smooth regular ps buttons.
only directionnal pad is good but ps pad feel more precise for shmups imo.
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>>165738984
>but ps pad feel more precise for shmups imo.
you're on your own with that one.
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Anyone ever get the feeling where a game looks absolutely stupidly easy to clear with some very particular routes but you can't be assed to actually learn them, so you just forget about the game because you don't see the point in playing it?
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>>165740246
i'm too lazy to study replays and too dumb to memorise game but i still play. in the end it just takes more time, after dozens of hours i end up following a crude route unintentionaly.
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>>165740246
no, but I lost purpose to play a game if I watched someone did it before me
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>>165740859
wait, what? do you mean you don't play a game, because someone 1CC'd before you?
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>>165741187
yes
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>>165741187
i think he meant that beating a game feels pointless if he's seen someone else beat it. desu watching someone else play doesn't help that much unless you have a very good memory or rewatch it a lot of times. even after 1cc'ing it will take a while to beat the game again becouse you probably just got lucky.
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>>165741575
weird and dumb
spoiler: everything is already 1cc'ed by a shitton of people and you won't 1cc what hasn't been.
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>>165741575
I've never seen this hipster level before...

So what kind of game do you play? Obscure douijn games?
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>>165742053
2hu
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If japs are so good at games why do you never see a pro Japanese CSGO team?
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>>165741796
>everything is already 1cc'ed by a shitton of people
and i can't
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>>165744132
you'll do it soon. this better be jap version though.
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Bmup
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>>165743727
japs are too intelligent to play caveman games like fps
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>>165747292
For the most part, they don't play games designed to run on Microsoft Windows that aren't eroge and the like. But you can meet the occasional Japanese hipster, of course.

Personally, would love to see Starcraft become popular in Japan so that the gooks may finally find a worthy enemy.
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>>165747502
japs are too intelligent to play pc games
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>tfw to intelligent for pc games
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>>165747502
Chads don't play pc. They only go to the arcade.
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>>165748430
And the Koreans go to the PC-bang...
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>>165747292
>japs are too intelligent
Thats where you are wrong buddy.
t.someone who actually had to deal with japs
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>>165748430
i wonder if there are hikkikomori who have secret WRs.
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>>165748571
i deal with japs on a regular basis
being so impressed by their intelligence, i no longer wish to speak with genetically inferior westies
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>>165748714
sure if you say so,but remember your virtual jap waifus dont count as real people.
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>>165749056
oh yeah? and your emulator/console/pc 1cc's don't count as real.
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>>165749301
wow
that was mean
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>>165749301
I dont really give a shit what you think,I play for my own satisfaction.
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>>165749301
blown the FUCK out
t b h
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>>165750540
Virtual waifus aren't real people where as emulator/console/pc 1ccs are completely real but often debated by autists to not measure up to the same as hardware. The points do not equate in any way the first is objectively true the 2nd is a matter of subjective nit picking.

>>165748714
>being so impressed by their intelligence
This doesn't prove they're intelligent. Intelligence is like being 2d in a 3d world, you can only measure that which you recognize so yes on the personal measurement your brain uses to determine intelligence they may indeed seem intelligent.
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>>165752428
we can all agree that japs are more intelligent than u
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>>165752660
With arguments of such caliber how can a mere mortal offer a rebuttal? I'm so dumb i can barely comprehend the depths which your enlightening comments present.
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>get akai katana working on nesicaxlive for windows
>runs super smoothly
>but half the time enemies, bosses, and backgrounds don't appear
Steam release when?
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>>165754272
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>>165754272
hopefully not before muschi futanari
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>>165755138
We need them to release PORK first desu
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I wouldn't mind collectordads if they were actually good at the games they buy, but 98% of them aren't which is... kinda sad.
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>>165755951
(Why do you care)
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>>165755951
we must distribute all cabinets among worthy westies and gulag dads
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>>165755526
you mean Garegga
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>>165754272
I don't understand the game at all. Plus I remember hearing that it was easy and it's definitely but for me. Anybody got pro tips?
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>>165759202
copy superplays lil monkey boy
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wew lad

>tfw stage 3
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>>165764429
Tell me where did the big flying tank touch you anon.
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>>165764429
Every fucking time
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When the fuck is Danmaku Unlimited 3 coming out?
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>>165747292
More like they're shit at games where you actually have to aim in.
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>>165767023
fps is the most braindead genre in all of gaming
beside possibly music games
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Got a bit further but still can't do it!
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I'M ALMOST THERE, /SHMUPG/!
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

Sorry for all Caps Lock. I got REALLY excited.
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>>165769280
>second phase not even scratched
>almost there
nah
the last phase easily can eat 3 extends
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>>165769654
Considering that I got this far means that I'm actually almost there. I only need to not die until the final boss, then I'll be able to 1cc it.
I'll practice the TLB2 before doing any further attempts, tho.
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jesus fucking christ the big ship at the start of stage 5 in ketsui is the literal fucking textbook definition of bullshit since it shoots so much bullets you cant see anything that blue even outside the screen which means you will get hit no matter what you do

i mean there just isnt any single possible way to kill it without bombing since it shoots so much undodgeable shit which cannot be misdirected nor bombed because its bullets are immune to bombs and therefore your run is destined to fail at that point no matter how good you are
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>>165769993
Just misdirect the bullets you fucking faggot, I can't even 1cc the game but I can do the fucking big ship
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>>165769993
heres whats happening every fucking time

>>165770192
if i do that i will get memed on by the enemies from the left side and tell u what m8 i have completed the first loop but this fucking ship is pretty much the only thing thats actually fucking me over
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>>165769993
It's not hard, I don't even practice Ketsui and I was able to do it first try.
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>>165768063
post ur csgo kdr kiddo
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/stg/ > /shmupg/

>>>/vr/3728067
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>>165772031
>tfw want to buy this figure badly but it's a garage kit
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>>165772031
>you can only discuss pre-1999 shmups
Lame/10
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>>165771642
but i need muh 5 chip chain which is the reason i fuck up this part. if i were to do it like that which i used to do it wouldnt give me any problems
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>>165772031
Sorry, I wouldn't be welcome there.
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>>165771642
not him, but I play as type B (cuz muuuuuuuuh speed) and that ship usually shoots four waves of blue bullets. this fuck me up!
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>>165772673
There are enemies on the left you can use, no? I just didn't bother killing them with unfocused shot.
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>>165772919
Quicker lock on kills it quicker
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more like KEKsui
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>>165768063
Less braindead than shmups desu.
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Does Ketsui even have homing lasers? LMAO
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twitch tv/dent4face
>streaming for about 9 hours now
Absolute madman.
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>>165775312
>>streaming for about 9 hours now
>Absolute madman.
more like absolute fatman, playing games is fun and all but jesus go outside or something.
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>>165777180
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>>165777180
He's just there for the attention anyway.
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>>165777590
>r9k

If being a normie means not being a fat degenerate retard sat on a game for 9 hrs then i'll happily take it. Bad news though in todays demographics massive numbers of young ppl are mindlessly sitting in front of games allday at major cost to health, statistically that makes YOU the normie lmao.
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>>165775175
Batrider, Darius Gaiden, and Touhou 12 have the best homo lasers.
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Is there actually ANY Cave game with a homing laser? I really can't think of any...
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>>165735532
Touhou in general
Dodonpachi
CCWI, oddly

That's pretty much it. If I want to just enjoy some quality action, these ones never fail to pump me up.

I don't know / am too lazy or incapable of learning how to interact with other shmups like Garegga or most horizontal shmups or whatever is out there, so I can't imagine playing those sorts of games as enjoyable right now. Maybe they are.
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>>165778462
Ketsui lock shot sort of?
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does mashing in donpachi increases your shots
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>>165778856
It's a lock on shot, but not a homing laser. Homing lasers are avtually quite tricky to make, and Cave is apparently to dumb for them LOL
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>>165735532
>What would be your top 3 best shmup?
DBCS
Mushihimesama
Dodonpachi Resurrection
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>>165778464
>Touhou
>best shmups
It's basically just a fancy bulletML demo with crude drawings
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>>165778925
It's the same thing in practice, it locks on and does homing. In CCWI you lock on and it homes in on targets.
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>>165778462
>Is there actually ANY Cave game with a homing laser?
dangun feveron type 1.
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>>165779264
N, it's totally not the same. A shot is just a stream of single bullets, while a laser is a long flexible thing which can bend itself. that's much more tricky to programm.
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>>165779291
Kraut BTFO
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>>165779470
>A shot is just a stream of single bullets, while a laser is a long flexible thing which can bend itself.
That's just a matter of graphics. The programming behind it is the same. It picks a target and follows it until it hits it.
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>>165779291
You mean Type A? That's not a homing laser. I's just a stream of bullets which locks on to targets.
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>>165779702
functions the same.
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>>165779660
>That's just a matter of graphics. The programming behind it is the same. It picks a target and follows it until it hits it.
LMAO, you have no idea what you are talking about. A bullet is just a simple object with applied velocity. A homing laser however is an object which bends itself at runtime.

To make really good homing lasers are basically would have to create procedurally created meshes, which is a whole different story than just creating an object with velocity.
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>>165779702
ibara has homing missile and the yellow pig bitch in mmp has a homing laser. Kraut C.U.N.T
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>>165779996
You're making it far too complicated in your mind, when it really isn't that complicated at all.
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Most or all of the Raidens have homing lasers right?
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>>165780051
REKT
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>>165780051
>homing missile
Again, totally not the same as homing lasers.

> yellow pig bitch in mmp has a homing laser
Again, not a laser, just a stream of bullets
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Customisable options > Homing lasers
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>>165780170
You just have no idea what you are talking about, because you never tried making a homing laser yourself.

It's far more complicated than you think.

>>165780298
Yea, the green laser from Raiden is pretty damn impressive. From a coding perspective at least.
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>>165780298
yes but i think dogyuun is the best example.

>>165780343
>Again, not a laser, just a stream of bullets
It's a fucking laser you derpologist cunt, nother fucking normal shot i'm talking about her lock on lard shot which is a homing laser with a range cap. Great display as usual of your leet Germong counterstop i.q.

>>165780540
>Yea, the green laser from Raiden
It's purple and fucking lol at you literally being a clover tac clone, bet you even have the same stick? he is married though so no chance you can copy that.
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Cave confirmed for not being able to program real curvy homing lasers. Guess that explains also why their shmups have such atrocious slowdown, since they are all shit coders.
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>>165780721
>lock on lard shot which is a homing laser with a range cap
Again, fucktard, it is not a laser. It's just a stream of bullets.

>It's purple
Depends on the Raiden game. In some it's also green.

>clover tac clone
Lolwut? Are you dense?
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>>165781104
>Depends on the Raiden game.
You specifically said raiden nob shirt and it's fucking purple ,goal post moving ass pussy.

>>165781104
>>clover tac clone
it's blatant mate anyone can see it, complete weaboo untermensch making shitty pew pew game to impress emperor clover.
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technically all lasers is stream of bullets
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>>165781489
>You specifically said raiden
Raiden III is a Raiden game.

>>165781541
Naw, only the shitty ones. To make really seamless curvy lasers you can't just connect single bullets with another.
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>>165781737
>Raiden III is a Raiden game.
Thats right it is but you said "raiden" singular meaning the first game, you said nothing about series so no you can't try that bullshit in my language.


>Yea, the green laser from Raiden is pretty damn impressive

Just in case you try wriggling again you shitehawk.
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>>165782061
Raiden to me can mean Raiden I or all Raiden games combined.
But anyway, you are just talking semantics.
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>>165781737
do you mean piercing laser?
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>>165782280
No i'm talking facts of the english language, you stated raiden singular and only one game exists with that name and none of them are the sequels. I know you're a mentally ill arrogant german meat sack but this time you're wrong, fuck off with your side stepping.
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>>165782397
No, I mean seamless, curvy lasers. They often use Bézier Curves for them.
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purple laser isn't even in the first raiden anyways
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Why is everyone streaming premium mode...
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And they say shmups are simple to program... until you run into the curving lasers question. I haven't tried writing shmups myself, but I know a friend who tried as a hobby and apparently he just gave up pretty quickly when it came to Bézier curves. Best of luck, KBR, and consider making the source code open.
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how many times you restarted?
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>>165784347
because people can't into arcade mode, the real deal.
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>>165781029
>real lasers have curves
wew
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>>165784648
>light can't curve
get a load of this goy
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>>165779249
Right I forgot how much you hardcore dewds hate fun.
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>>165784648
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>>165735532
Cho Ren Sha
Mecha Ritz
Crimzon Clover doujin
In that order.
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>>165785263
Now that's what I call shmupg-core. Sans the doujin specification.
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>>165785179
>2hu
>fun
yea no
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>>165785524
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>>165785524
>shmups
>fun
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>>165785524
podd and pofv are fun, fuck the other twowhos though
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>>165787004
Why kill yourself when you have the perfect handsome profile?
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>>165788880
beautiful people die beautifully, are still appreciated after death as beautiful and by the time time starts to make them no longer beautiful it won't be their problem because they'll be already dead and eaten by beautiful worms
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>>165789248
Is this what shmups do to you?
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>tfw homing lasers are the most complicated programming problem of our time
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>>165735532
in terms of fun:
DOJBL for score (not WL, bc not good enough to enjoy its 2nd loop yet)
Soukyugurentai for survival/score
Batrider for survival
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>>165735532
Mushihimesama Futari
Touhou
Eschatos
Getting those big cancels in Futari and sucking in all those gems is simply intoxicating.
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>>165735532
Gaia Seed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_IxsvKLwx4

Touhou Project 8- Imperishable Night
eXceed 3rd- Jade Penetrate Black Package
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>>165792696
>Getting those big cancels in Futari and sucking in all those gems is simply intoxicating.
So this is what Reko really does. Pure hentai.
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>>165793779
Absolutely.
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>>165794137
I see, so that's what large breasts are for...
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How hard is an Espgaluda 1cc? Is it really easier than touhou like I've seen some people say?
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>>165795738
If you only use the kakusei mode for survival purposes, yes.
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>>165790030
They truely are... well for me at least atm...

>>165784515
Not giving up yet! I just have to figure out how to make them fade out. Then they could be acceptable with some tweaking. Also some start movement would be nice.
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>>165795738
Not too hard, stage 5 is a *bit* difficult though. And the final pattern of the last boss is annoying.
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I've made things similar to homing lasers before but minute the actual homing. You guys are making me want to try it now.
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>>165735532
Espgaluda
Dodonpachi Daioujou
Strikers 1945 II
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>>165735532
Radiant Silvergun
Armed Police Batrider
Dangun Feveron

Damn, 1998 was a good year for shooting gays.
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>>165735532
Battle Garegga
Muchi Muchi Pork
Espgaluda 2
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>>165735532
DaiOuJou
Garegga
Ketsui
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>>165802003
nice dadpinions you got there
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>>165735532
right now would be:
dadrega
hishouzame
r-type
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>>165804358
whats hishouzame
>>
I find it awesome that pretty much everyone that responded has their own unique taste. I'm to new to the genre to have a list of faves but loving the fuck out of CCWI right now.

Is 24 billion at least somewhat decent for the 1st stage?
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>>165805878

Flying Shark??
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>>165805878
meme game overrated by dads and hipsters like trap
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>>165805878
An old toaplan game, easy to loop, better to multiloop.
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>>165806820
trap likes a lot of shitty games but if you can't see the importance of flying shark you are fucked banana
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>>165807784
>importance
who cares? it's a shit game in 2017

space invaders is more important than anything and by todays standards it sucks even worse
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>>165807947
>it's a shit game in 2017
maybe if you are a simpleton faggot who only play danmakus, for other people it's fun.
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>>165808086
maybe if they have shit taste like you t. trap
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>>165808216
t. one trick pony
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How come nobody ever talks about Guwange
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>>165811113
Nobody wants to give Cee an excuse to post.
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>>165811113
it's a shit game that only the mentally ill could ever enjoy
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>>165811113
Stage-long chaining... was a mistake.
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>>165784515
>tfw too casual for bezier curves so ended up going with homing missiles that leave a trail instead
I'm a disgrace
>>
bomb!
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Are there any shmups where you can play as the good guys from world war 2?
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>>165811113
>How come nobody ever talks about Guwange

The community hates original games and prefer flashy same old bullshit to look good to their internet friends. Guwange also requires multi tasking and basically routing 2 things at the same time which these plebs can't handle either.

>>165811572
>Stage-long chaining... was a mistake
Getting a basic stage long chain isn't even hard if you use your brain and actually build a route, Aquass pb run is a great example of a simple full game chain, it's only when you get to 40 mill and beyond that you have to start building refined routes and knowing when to use shot milking vs shiki cancels etc and going for high risk strats ie cat milk, the hidden barrels in stage 4, stage 2 boss legs milk etcetc.
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>>165807947
>it's a shit game in 2017
So's DFK. Samesamesame on the other hand is top tier.
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>>165811113
Because I don't like admitting how pleb I am when I only enjoy the twin stick 360 mode.
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>>165822124
>shitty run n gun game
>original
topkek
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>>165822958
0.5/10
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>>165823836
what's the half point for?
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>>165785263
Are there any reasons why you prefer the doujin version over the WI version?
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>>165824531
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>>165825669
>>
touhou is the best shmup
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>>165828848
>touhou is the best porn
fixed
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>>165806528
>Is 24 billion at least somewhat decent for the 1st stage?
Original Arcade? That's too low
I think 100 bil decent, 200 bil good, 250+ bil beyond good
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gonna practice some CCWI, trying to build new score strategy for boss 2
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>>165830367
streaaamm
I had enough with those garegga streams
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>>165830164
>250+ bil beyond good
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>>165831302
wanna fight?
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more like COCKsui
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>>165831291
Since I'm not getting any sleep tonight, I may as well set up and stream some Deathsmiles. Perhaps I can discover the secret to surviving Death Mode in my restless delirium.

http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma
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>>165832773
I hope you play Casper, I miss the baka yell
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>>165833046
He always does.
>>
Great, now two people are streaming it
Windia vs Casper Go!
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>>165832773
It looks like you're getting a lot better at canyon. Either that or you just got lucky when I watched.
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>>165832773
I'm sorry Casper, you didn't deserve this. I need to find someone competent at Death mode who also speaks English and beg for their help.

>>165835350
It's... probably luck. I fail 95% of my Canyon attempts in the first 30 seconds. I can't feel good about one semi-successful clear when I had to restart 20 failed attempts at it before I got it.

I can't figure it out. Is there some pattern to the seemingly random suicide bullet spawning? Is it the strictest of routing through stages? Or is it just brute skill and reaction that allows the good players to handle them? I need to clear my head...
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Can you feel it /shmupg/? Can you feel it in your bones?
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>>165836187
I think the suicide bullets aren't random, you just have too much pointless moving.
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fuck this, fuck stage 4
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>>165837419
That could be. Pointless moving has always been a problem of mine, but I'm not quite sure how to go about correcting myself.
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>>165838760
maybe you should try not to move pointlessly
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>>165838610
That laser attack has the same pattern with laser from st2 boss. It's moving, it's too dangerous to dodge. If you wait for it to attack then you're already dead. I will never try to dodge it again, gotta move far away from its unseen telegraph attacks.

>>165838760
Time to take meditation
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>>165705996
>>165838760
Is Casper /shmupg/'s mascot?
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>>165838760
Memorize the movements you want to make. I can't fully route out stages either, but I can memorize the tough parts.
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>>165840221
She's an excellent cockteaser, that's for sure.
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>>165840221
It'd be nice if the weeb faggots would get more variety in their waifu spamming.
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That's what you fucking get for not making my 360 controllers work with your game!
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>tfw even Kamui is streaming Premium
lame af desu
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>>165844512
Her stick sounds sexy. tight as fuck.
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>>165845093
>referring to literal boys as 'her'
Good libtard.
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>>165845945
#notcucked
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>>165845945
Shes a cute boy though, so its ok.
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Aaand she got premium WR
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>>165846732
Really? That was the WR just now? Holy shit...
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>>165846869
Yep, it was 35 before
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>>165847497
I would tho.
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>>165845093
>Her
>>165846732
>she


You can keep trying to deny reality until you're blue in the face but kamui is and always will be a fucking man.
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>>165846732
Was she playing dadregga or something else?
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>>165845093
Yep! Can't wait to get a stick of my own, but I'll have to wait a month to afford it.
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>>165848109
She only plays dadregga on stream, yes
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>>165848109
When is xhe going to pick up a real man's game like DOJWL?
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>>165844413
You really did it huh? Now just go dload it online
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>>165848109
>>165848958
>she
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>>165846732
>after Z then a
the ride never ends
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>>165848958
Well good for her, that's a nice accomplishment.
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BOMBAA!
>>
I'm saving you, no worries
>>
fuck donpachi
why they made stage 4 harder than stage 5
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>>165781029
>Cave confirmed for not being able to program real curvy homing lasers
It's just maths you stupid cunt, judging by some of the bullet patterns in their games homing lasers wouldn't be a problem
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>>165860926
most of their patterns are either static or follow the player which are easy as piss to code compared to the mathematical complexity that is curvy homing lasers
>>
hey shmupg Which do you prefer - Turn Based Strategy games, SHMUPS, or both?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12133560
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>>165862065
>Ketsui isn't real
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>>165862065
What's complex about curvy lasers? It's just a bullet that curves towards a target and draws a line behind it.
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>>165864185
le curve of le bezier
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>>165862065
like what? suicide bullets in ketsui ura loop and espgaluda 2?
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>>165864312
what are you on about
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name one bad game that had curve lasers
that's right you can't because the programmers had to be geniuses to make them
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>>165866335
UFO
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>>165866526
done in one
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>>165866335
all raiden
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Dis thread needs some Ryuujou.
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>tfw no talent
>tfw grinding for lucky run
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HELP ME UP GUYS.

I remember playing a shmup demo back in 2003 and I can't remember its name.
Intro was something like: there's some experiments conducted in a lab on some dude, his head is cut off and put in a small yellow spaceship. The first level was a futuristic city, and the game over screen was the spaceship looking at the sunset.

I swear to god I've been loking for this piece of shit for ages
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>>165870874
Touhou
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>>165868071
>raiden
>bad
kiss yourself
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>>165870950
it ain't Touhou, baka
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>>165873028
Sorry I couldn't help myself from parroting the shitpost repsonse from the /v/ thread
Giving us some actual information like what platform you played it on would help
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>>165875753
will there be more desusmiles stream today?
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>>165878673
Probably not.

Alright captcha I'm getting real sick of this "please solve 7 more captchas even though you did it right the first two times" shit every time I go to post.
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>>165880612
Settings -> Quotes & Replying -> Legacy CAPTCHA
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Yo I wanna get into the genre

Is that new one that came out on steam a good starting point ?
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>>165882232
>Is that new one that came out on steam
there are a bunch of those
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>>165883059

Yeah sorry
Meant Caladrius Blaze
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>>165882232
Apparently it's got a lot of issues, so I'd pass for now. You might want to look at Mushihimesama, Crimzon Clover, Mecha Ritz, DoDonPachi Resurrection, or Ikaruga instead.
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would you?

twitter.com/Aftasher/status/821133889745907712
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>>165883931
Hell no.
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>>165882232
>Is that new one that came out on steam a good starting point ?
I'd pick up Mushihimesama, Dondonpachi resurrection, or Crimzon Clover, or Eschatos. They all have lower difficulty options for new players so are easier to 1cc. Deathsmiles is good too but I dunno if you want to start vertical or Horizontal
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>>165883931
>would you?
Ever buy a console again? No.
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>>165882232
grab the Mega pack in the OP. Go through it and see what you like. I don't know exactly whats in it these days but I'm sure it's a solid spread of great shit.
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>>165884473
>Eschatos

Not the person you were replying to but thanks for that suggestion. Didin't know about that game.
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>>165886750
Eschatos is a great starting point to the genre. Normal mode is very simple- no weapon powerups, and you get more score by perfectly destroying enemy waves.

GREAT SOUNDTRACK, BUY THE ARRANGED OST IT'S SO GOOD
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>>165710867

>dynamically allocating during runtime

I'm disappoint anon
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>>165882232
If you're interested in bullet hells emulate the original DoDonPachi.
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>>165883240
Probably not the best starting point, but if you really like how it looks then go ahead, I wouldn't imagine it's unfriendly to beginners.
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>>165883931
I already do this with a jailbroken iPad 4 and bluetooth controller with games older than 10yo.
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>>165882232
A good starting point is any game you find interesting. You're going to be spending a lot of time with it, even if you're going for the basics aka 1 credit clear.
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>>165888438
>as a simple test
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Homing lasers are in a lot of indie games so it can't be that hard.
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>these speed of light bullets in raiden iv second loop
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>>165882232
Download the mega link from the OP, it's a package of MAME with a whole bunch of games. Try Dodonpachi and Strikers 1945 II
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>>165891916

>can 1cc mushi on maniac
>can barely beat first loop of raiden iv

send help
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>>165892432

i should add: barely able to beat first loop of raiden on NORMAL, which apparently isn't even the arcade difficulty (which is called 'original' or something), which i didn't even realize until much later
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WARNING: HUGE SALE IMMINENT. APPROACH WITH CAUTION

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/dariusburst-chronicle-saviours

If you were curious about Dariusburst but balked at the huge price tag, now's your chance.
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>>165892559
very different games, anon. Aimed Bullets feel SUPER different from pre-determined waves.
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>>165889343
pls strm
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>>165892432
>>165892559
fill daily quotas on practising in a single game, 3 hours but no more. do not play many games, play only one. and don't play less than 1 hour either. yes, we all had to do this
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>>165891916
>>165892432
that's why you should play more than danmakus
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>>165893526

i'd guess that probably 90% of my shmup playing has been with cave games, so i'm definitely more comfortable with that style
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>>165806528
>Is 24 billion at least somewhat decent for the 1st stage?
no, but you can easily get it to 80-100. watch the superplay dlc, first stagecan be viewed for free. though i wouldn't recommend getting into stage 1 restart autism before getting a clear, becouse that alone will take you at least 100 hours with type Z. you might think that scoring is good becouse you get more stars, but afaik the more stars you have the faster the bullets are. you should still full lock and pointblank if you see an easy opportunity though becouse that fillls your gauge meter faster.
why am i typing this you are not even here anymore.
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>>165893409
already own it, good shit. liked it a lot more than i expected.
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>>165893789
Don't take it too seriously though. If I go too hard at a game I stop having fun and just become angry about every mistake I make.
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>>165893875

which games would you consider "danmaku" that aren't cave or 2hu?

not saying i don't want to play cave or touhou games, i'm just wondering if "danmaku" now really means "cave or touhou"
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>>165893789

the last few days i've been playing caladrius blaze quite a bit and having fun, but playing it reminded me of raiden and i've started to get an itch to play it again, but in general i do a pretty good job of focusing on one "main" game but i do like playing a few at a time just for fun.
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>>165894035

my experience with rhythm games has already taught me this. the second that i'm more than 10-15% off my personal best on average during a session, i stop playing it for a bit since in my experience very little improvement comes from continuing to play past that point, and i just get more and more frustrated.

so i do try to change it up since in my experience it helps me learn the game faster instead of only playing a single game
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>>165894094
"Danmaku" is a pointless label applied en masse to games that are wildly different to each other and require similarly different degrees of dodging skills to master. Garegga past a certain point turns into a danmaku game too.
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>>165894094
ccwi, mecha ritz steel rondo
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>>165893780
But I get very nervous when I'm streaming my 1cc attempts. :/
I'm going to stream again after the clear, which shouldn't take too long. Hopefully.

Can't wait to play Gain (or maybe Bornam)
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>>165896079
flat
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>>165860926
Making complex bullet patterns is easy nowadays. There already exist programs which can generate them in XML for you.

Curvy lasers on the other hand is much less common, because it is more tricky.
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>>165890760
For example? May be that some bad games have homing lasers, but I was also talking about GOOD homing lasers. There are bad homing lasers and good ones. Making a bad one is easy, but doing the good ones is pretty difficult.
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>>165894674
Danmaku mostly means games with tons of sparse, slow bullets where you pass thru small gaps, also they often have "deeper" score systems that often separate completely from survival play, with timers calculating how/when you kill enemies etc. Yes of course not all of them are the same, but it's a good way to distinct them from old-school shooters with more straightforward scoring and fewer/faster bullets.

>Garegga past a certain point turns into a danmaku game too.
It's not, more like something in-between, not 100% classic because patterns are more sparse and slower, but not a danmaku either because bullet count is low. With max rank it's danmaku-ish though
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Danmaku = games for animufags

Non-dnmaku = games for shmupfags
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Long
Thicc
Curvy
Homing
Taito Lasers
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Any news on that port of Dangun Feveron?
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>>165897617
Binding of Isaac and Enter the Gungeon are both have them. For TBoI it depends on getting the right item combination and in EtG the Raiden Coil gun does it.
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>>165898942
Show me them. Like I said, there are good homing lasers and bad homing lasers.
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>>165899106
Go find them yourself you lazy spoonfed fuck. Both of them imitate the Raiden style lazers.
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So let me get this straight.

"good" curvy lasers, i.e curvy lasers that use bezier curves:
>raiden
"bad" curvy lasers:
>literally everything else
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>>165899392
Good homing lasers:
>stay on the player object when shooting
>fade out when hitting something instead of just disappearing
>they have hurtboxes everywhere, not just one the tip
Those are the tricky parts to get right. Lasers like the Raiden laser are different thing of course, although impressive too.
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>>165899631
Aside from the first, which assumes the player is the one shooting the laser, don't those apply to all curvy lasers?
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I'm glad we've all come to a consensus that Raiden is the GOAT shmup series.

What do you guys wanna talk about next?
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>>165900203
>What do you guys wanna talk about next?
Cirno
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>>165900158
>don't those apply to all curvy lasers?
no
even the homing lasers in games like darius burst cs are kinda shitty
they are not curvy, and they just disappear instantly when hitting something
it looks cheap
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>mfw a raidenfag near me thought his game was hard
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>>165900203
Let's talk about why if you're not creating a shmup with good homing lasers by implementing bezier curves in pure assembly your game is doomed to be nothing but shit.
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>>165900203
About how much I want to strangle fish
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>>165900406
post you're 9-all
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Any tips for trying to get an Ura loop in Daifukkatsu? Not scoring, just survival so I can fight the secret boss. Ship/type? Been running A Strong since I need the extra speed to pick up all the bees.
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You know, I'm a geometer by trade, so if you guys really want I could probably sit down and figure out how to have some really fuckin radical curvy lasers from scratch.

You guys want smooth curves? If not, how degenerate do you want them to be? Are isolated cusps okay?
Self-intersections allowed or not?

You want them to attack enemies in a priority one at a time (so mathematically just do it point-wise with some way of determining priority like closest enemy/furthest enemy/biggest enemy/etc.), or do you want the laser to attack multiple/all onscreen enemies at once (so I'd take the position of your ship, and all the points representing enemy ships and fit whatever kind of curve you want in 2d to those points)?

It's not everyday I get to use my real-life skills in a way that furthers my hobby, so it might be kinda fun to make it work.
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>>165900818
I lready have the homing part. I just need a laser which fades out and stays on the player object while shooting it (ie doesn't just get leaved behind when the player is moving).

In C# or JS pls.
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>>165900203
Really the only thing I like about Raiden is the fact it's a no-nonsense SHMUP without animu girls. Raiden Fighters is pretty fun because it has so many ships to pick from.

Other than that it's not really that great. And the music is awful and repetitive most of the time.
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>>165901174
Come on. Raiden games also can have pretty awesome level designs.

>that level in Raiden Fighters where you fight the huge carrier
>those thunderstrike sounds in the background
That's AAA level design
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>>165900356
>darius burst cs
there aren't homing lasers
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>>165901174
fuck you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2W2LAFlkOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ3GNGBZ3Z4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V49s15fZwAw
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>>165901734
Of course there are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYVgQlYPfA&t=75s

Actually they are good though, except those orange straight lasers. they just vanish when hitting something.
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http://www.grev.co.jp/blog/
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>>165901952
these are just shots with tails
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>>165902230
Which ones? The orange ones? Not sure if they are trails, but they are cheap. The other ones are good though. And also not just trails. Otherwise they would vanish when hitting something.
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>>165902141
>DBCS
No, thanks!
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>>165902959
DBCS mixed with Dadregga
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Even Einhander did curving homing lasers. Step up your game, CAVE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CInT8Ncsvrg
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>>165902141
Man, G.Rev are still alive? That's great but I'm unsure what exactly they're up to if anything.
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>>165903517
Einhänder is also an awesome game with actual level design, and doesn't just hide everything behind a bullet curtain.
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>>165903846
They've done a PC port or two, most notably Strania, and they helped with the engine in DBCS
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>>165901952
That's a shitty example since they made them bend at sharp angles on purpose, the game has actual curvy lasers
https://youtu.be/XfF86_mZb6Q?t=187
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>>165904187
M yexample was not about showing perfect homing lasers, it was about the flaws of homing lasers. I posted it because you can see how the orange lasers just instantly vanish when hitting something. That's what I mean by "good and bad lasers".

And in your example those lasers are also just bullets with a trail. It's an example of bad homing lasers.

Look at 2:48. You can see there that the player just flies through the löasers and doesn't even get hit. That's because those are just bullets with trails. And I bet they also would just vanish when hitting something, and also wouldn't stay on point, if the shooting object actually would move fast.
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>>165904730
Are you sure? I seem to remember the purple homing lasers being massive assholes and hitting me on every part of it. Maybe it's different for some of them even though it's the same effect.
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>>165904730
At 2:48 he did get hit with a near-miss and it tanked two hits out of his shields. If he'd been slower he would've been dead, shields or no shields.
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>>165903846
They're making DBCS DLCs, they came out with one a few months ago and another comes out tomorrow.
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>>165905042
Really? I never played this game but it looked to me as if he did not get hit. How exactly do you see there that you get hit when having a shield?

All I see is just a short animation on the shield, but that can't be it.
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>>165905809
That's part of it, and the arm counter at the top of the screen went down.

If it takes enough hits it visibly shrinks.
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>>165905998
Oh I see. Ok, then those are pretty good homing lasers, yes.
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>>165897434
Dai Ou Jou and Ketsui didn't use BulletML you dumb fuck
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>>165907227
Well they also didn't have curvy lasers.
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Does /shmupg/ finally agree that CAVE is the worst shmup developer of all time?
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>>165910376

Yes, and we've also decided that Raiden is the eternal GOAT series.

Now that these two things have been settled, I think all that is left is to discuss best shmup OSTs and once we've reached a consensus we can close the threads down forever, having determined for all time the objective truth of the matter.
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>>165910441
Darius, Cho Ren Sha 68k and Hellsinker are the trifecta of OST kino
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>>165910441
>Raiden is the eternal GOAT series.
raidens not even as good as samesamesame, it could of been if they didn't go for the boring as fuck sound and presentation. the ps1 ost for dx was a step in the right direction.
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>>165910592
no, it's garage, metal black and recca.
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>>165903517
>Even Einhander did curving homing lasers. Step up your game, CAVE.

Cave already milked homing lasers to death when they were toasplan with dogyuun, go see the purple and orange power ups.
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>>165911949
toaplan wasnt 100% cave though
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>>165911890
>recca
yuck
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>>165913120
This, at best only V-V and Batsugun could be considered "Cave"
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The homing lasers in dogyuun are juicy af though, i give you that
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Shumps!
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>>165915576
They're great
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Done.
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>>165916405
Congrats!

Unrelated note

What are /shmupg/'s feelings on Axelay for the SNES?
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>>165916405
Oh hello ZZY, nice "casual" Ura 2-ALL you got there.
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>>165916405
Congratulations. Are you one of those secret scorers I've been hearing about?
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>>165916405
Gj Pazzy.
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>>165916486
I feel fooled.
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>>165916486
>>165916572
>>165917121
Thanks guys!

>>165916808
Thanks! And yes, I suppose I am.
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>tfw not talented enough to score secretly
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>>165918016
will you upload the replay later?
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>>165916405
>wow i wonder who this could be

Congrats pazzy but ffs man stop this retarded autismal paranoia bullshit you beta dutchie cuck.

What games next?
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>>165918334
maybe he accidently put his initials as "GAY" and doesn't want anyone to see
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>>165918567
But he's dutch, we already know he's gay.
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i no-missed stage 3 in ccwi!
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>>165918332
Yes, there's going to be another video and I'd also like to upload every replay file I've made thus far. I'll just link those in the video description when it's up.

>>165918334
>Congrats pazzy but ffs man stop this retarded autismal paranoia bullshit you beta dutchie cuck.
Deal with it. As for my next main game, it's going to be a secret. Though right now I prefer prioritizing my backlog because there's quite a lot of new games that came out which I'd like to play.
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>>165919281
** EXCELLENT ** job, anon!
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>>165919349
>it's going to be a secret.
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>>165735532
Mamorukun Curse (GOAT)
Astebreed
Gunbird 2


>tfw you kill a boss on MC and cause so much candy to appear onscreen that the game nearly stops
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>>165880612
4chan pass
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>>165919812
do you play shmups, hiro?
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>>165919880
buy 4chan pass, i make stg board, ok? promise.
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>>165916405
spoilers: it's battle traverse
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>>165922826
I love Patchouli but I would still pay good money to see Casper and her fight to the death
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>>165916405
fuck you
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>>165923702
Keep going at it MAX you can do it
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>>165916405
Great work as always, Pazzy. Congrats.
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>>165923678
If you wanted to see a flat board getting hammered you could go to a construction site for free, anon.
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Pazzy if you care so much about secrecy why do you posts your scores at all exactly?
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/shmupg/, what are your reasons for not playing Battle Traverse?
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>>165926157
>what are your reasons for not playing Battle Traverse?
Couldn't find a free download, upload it banana you queermo.
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>>165926157
I'm currently playing better games.
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>>165926343
>not supporting doujin devs
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>>165926530
Correct.
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>>165926343
shit music and characters sprites
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>>165926157
cos it's shit innit
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>>165923702
I love you too anon.

>>165923794
Thank you!

>>165925781
>if you care so much about secrecy why do you posts your scores at all exactly?
Honestly, I don't see a reason to post them anymore. While I was learning DOJ only a small group of people kept track of me or cared about what I was doing, so it was much more of an anonymous situation. However, when I started playing Ketsui there were also a bunch of other players playing it at the same. This meant that if I posted a score where my initials where gone, people had trouble figuring out who it belonged to. Me continuing that trend right now is just a consequence of that tradition, but right now I am the only player who has persisted for this long a time, it's become easy to figure out because of that.

Which brings me to >>165919349
>it's going to be a secret
You're probably not going to be hearing of me anymore in the future.

Oh, and just for clarification, if you're referring to the secret scorer thing. It was Cream who memed and pushed that narrative constantly. I have nothing to do with it or the narrative she tried pushing us in.
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>>165928967
>when I started playing Ketsui there were also a bunch of other players playing it at the same

wasn't there only megapulse who you beat in absolutely no time?
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>>165929345
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/122120489/#122129162
Going by the person I was responding to, the 2 players who were responding to me and then also including myself. That makes 4 players.

I have no reason to believe MegaPulse is one of the players doing the responding or the one being responded to, as none of them have the same commenting tendencies as he does. However, I know he was playing it, so including him that would make 5 players already.
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>>165929345
One was me (cee) but i got perma side tracked with guwange.
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>>165928967
Stop playing this old age game and play CCWI, you Hipster
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>>165926157
I still have many shmups to beat.
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>>165930881
Pazz should play another CAVE games first, like DFK or Mushi or Deathsmiles to kick Harry ass
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>>165928967
Your posting style was always distinct even if you blanked out initials. I know where you live.
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>>165925781
nigga just want to keeps the basic principe of anonimity here, problem is it doesn't really work now when we all know it's him
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>>165934686
Bullshit. He is just too stuck up to admit he visits 4chan. As if the farm would be any better...
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>>165904187
>That's because those are just bullets with trails. And I bet they also would just vanish when hitting something
Maybe they're supposed to be bullets with trails? Either way the player gets hit a little after 50 seconds and the bullet doesn't disappear.
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>>165936072
I don't think he even post on the farm anymore, he never updated his DOJ record for instance
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>>165931228
Hey, don't bully Harry, he's a nice boy.
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>>165930881
But CC is boring. I thought you liked shumps with real level design, Kraut-kun?
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>>165940409
Say it to Casper, not me
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>tfw no streams
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>>165942897
So go play shmups yourself.
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>>165943217
>play shmups
what the fuck
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>>165943217
>play shmups
yea no
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>>165943217
>play shmups
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Thunder Force lV has the best OST. In my opinion.

Whats your opinion on Thunder Force?
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>>165947798
Nuclear.
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>>165947798
>ywn play the real TFVI planned for Dreamcast

feels bad lads
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>>165949506
What? How?

Oh and speaking on Dreamcast, I forgot a good OST.
Triggerheart Exelica
Thats what got me back into shmups in the first place and damn was the soundtrack good.
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My fault. Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UYQ6n3G-VvQ
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fuck clover
why midboss don't dropped extra life
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>>165950680
Technosoft went bankrupt during development.

We did get a TFVI years later, but it was by Sega instead of the original devs and kinda shit.
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>>165945962
I played some shmups today tbqh. Felt good, I enjoy dodging things. But I am overconfident and always feel like I can dodge everything, and then I mess it all up with bad inputs.
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>>165928967
>You're probably not going to be hearing of me anymore in the future.
Wh-why?
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Question
What's the hardest shmup there is?
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>>165955067
Oh I read that wrong. I thought you said you got to actually play it somehow.
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>>165960896
crimzon clover
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>>165960896
refer to the incorrect meme chart
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>>165960896
looping gradius 3 arcade
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>>165960896
inb4 THE LIST.jpg
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>>165676913
Here, this is an easy way to do this part.
There's a lot of patterns that turn out to be pretty easy once you get used to them, this is one of those patterns. Don't let the amount of bullets scare you off, it's mostly aimed bullets which are easy to avoid.

>>165942897
I'll get fiber sometime around spring, I'll start streaming then.
That's a promise.
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I finally managed to get a Canyon practice run in which I held the item counter throughout the entire stage without getting hit. I did take a direct collision hit at one point, but that doesn't hurt the item counter so whatever.

I'm glad there's still some semblance of progress here, at least. For a while there I was starting to think that playing Canyon for score took something that I just don't have...
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>>165960896
Coming through, choo choo
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>>165960896
dodadpachi die old jew
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>>165960896
>>165963048

high loop gradius play for sure

also, second loops of parodius and twinbee are fucking stupid

>>165965934

this list is mostly bullshit but it does get some relative difficulties right
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fuck me
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>>165966974
>no high loop Raiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-m7jU5oqi4
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>>165971071
>why aren't any of the enemies shooting bul-
>oh
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>>165928967
I hope the part about not hearing of you in the future doesn't mean you're not going to post those awesome commentated vids anymore because those are, like, super cool.
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>>165971753
Funny part is that he is playing the easier western release, loop 9 on japanese Raiden would be a lot harder.
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>>165967573
Your bad.
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Personally I'm really glad to see Raiden getting a lot of love in this general recently.
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>>165975494
It's just one autist that thinks Raiden is the best game series EVAR.
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>>165975494
I consulted the memechart that told me that Raiden Fighters 2 with the Fairy was easy as shit. It wasn't. I hate Raiden.
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Had another successful practice run of Canyon. Still fucked up at the boss but I'm not concerned about that just yet. I'm getting excited again at the prospect of being able to do this somewhat consistently. Let's do our best together, Casper.
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>>165976552
why are you not streaming these attempts
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>>165976602
Been practicing on and off throughout the day rather than sitting down and dedicating time to it. I find that when I do the latter during practice it just fucks up my concentration and I get even sloppier. And I'd feel bad running a stream for 20 minutes at a time with such frequent breaks.
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>>165976851
that makes sense
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Which Darius is your favorite? Which Gradius is your favorite?

My favorite Gradius is the first one and I've only played Darius 1 and Gaiden.
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>>165977574

Favorite Darius is Gaiden, favorite Gradius is tie between 3 and 5.
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>>165977574
DBCS. never played any other darius or any gradius at all.
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>>165975918
Cream?
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>>165977574
>Which Darius is your favorite? Which Gradius is your favorite?
Border Down and Jikkyo Oshaberi Parodius.
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>secret scorer

best joke; its mainly a few dudes who never shut up about it
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LIVE!
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>>165982115
Toehoe pls go.
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>>165982753
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This was going to be an empty bump but I started typing the captcha into this part so now I figure I may as well say something.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdRmpid80bk
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I've 1cc'd Caladrius Blaze on Normal/Evolution Mode a few times now, and even though Evo mode seems definitely easier than the others due to being able to customize your element shot, I can't hardly bring myself to play anything else because of all the variety in builds I can try.

Anyone else playing it?
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>>165986706
>meme sweets
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>>165976851
How long is the break? If it's not too long just let the stream on.
Hell I'm used to long screen title streams thanks to matmouse
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noice game
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>>165988923
is that galaga 88?
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>>165988014
Right here man. I'm splitting my time between Caladrius Blaze and Crimson Clover WI. I'm playing Layis at the moment trying to 1cc it. Having some difficulty but it looks doable with more practice. I'm having a blast with both of them. And you are right, there is so much variety its kind of hard for me to settle on one build and just keep exploring the many options.
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>>165988014
you can customize your shot in every mode mate
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Any good streamers?
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>>165994727
SDOJ @ HEY
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv287495570

And aquas is memerunning something, so I'm gonna watch that to fall asleep.
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>>165993107
There is better purple haired nerd in the series.
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>>165990753

Ah nice, Layis is my favorite too because I love the damage and feel of her spear elemental shot, and also I like her normal shot. My first clear was with Layis, but my highest scoring clear was with Caladrius, which feels almost like cheating.


>>165990818
>you can customize your shot in every mode mate

whaaaaa how could I miss this?
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>>165996636
>5 lives at the start
FRADULENT
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>>165996636
dadshit i can understand, but how can people play danmakushit on smartphones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWWf6KqIQw
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Dodonpachi Unlimited now available on Google Store and Apple Store. Just tried it, it looks decent and better than that copy-paste Mushihime Gold Label.
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>>165995809
Thanks man. I'll check them out.

>>165996208
Nice. From what I've read up on, Sophia and Noah are possibly the most OP characters with their element shots and shield. Well at least for scoring wise that is. Though I haven't tried them out yet.
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>>165997284
Oh and my man David speaks the truth
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Ok. To keep this from dying I got a question that I'm really interested in all of your feedback. Can you remember the 1st shmup you ever played or the game that got you hooked to the genre?

For me other than nonchalantly throwing some quarters in a Galaga machine while waiting for MVC to open up, Whip Rush was my 1st owned shmup game that opened my eyes.
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>>165999939
>Can you remember the 1st shmup you ever played
Gradius III for the SNES.
>or the game that got you hooked to the genre
Motherfucking rRootage.
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>>165990631
filename
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>>166000041
>rRootage

Never heard of that game before. Seems pretty unique.
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>>165997434
I'll download it in a little bit or maybe tomorrow. I'll... hope for the best but expect the worst, I suppose.

>>165999939
One weekend when I was like 12 years old, my family stayed in a hotel that had a Galaga machine in the lobby or something, right next to a crane game full of candy. My quarters were divided between the two. So, Galaga was the first shmup I ever played.

The first shmup to hook me onto the genre with any sort of dedication was Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, though Touhou in general was always more about 1ccing for me. Deathsmiles is the first game to really hook me on scoring.
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>>165924448
I don't want to see Casper get hammered, I want to see her get nailed
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>>166000741
Alright then another question specifically for you. I've seen Touhou for years now thrown around on the internet. What is the appeal that has hooked people for so long and kept a recurring fanbase? I'm not being sarcastic at all. I'm just wondering. I have tried a Touhou game and it just seems to be a doujinshi shmup of sorts. But beside that, Genso Rondo is pretty damn fun but is that considered an actual shmup?
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>>165999939
I was introduced to the genre from NES games, like B-Wing, Twin Bee, Galaga, but those games were so bad it left bad taste to me.
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>>166001081
... By Patchouli?

>>166001290
My opinion on why Touhou is so popular is that it's due to a mix of some catchy music with plentiful arranges and an immeasurable amount of fanart, along with the fact that it has dozens and dozens of spinoff doujin titles of varying genres. Basically, it's a series that has something for everyone. The music arranges span almost any genre I can think of, there's fanart in countless styles porn or countless fetishes and many sorts of fangames using the characters. Oh, and I forgot to mention all the fanworks including but not limited to what I've already mentioned which give extra personality and "fanon" traits to many of the otherwise somewhat boring characters. With all that, it's not hard to find SOMETHING about Touhou that one can enjoy. The official games are only one of many possible entrypoints to the Touhou series, and the fact that so many Touhou fans don't actually play the shmups leaves Touhou in general with a strained relationship with the rest of shmup fanbases, at least here in the west. Annoying people who claim Touhou is the pinnacle of shmups/refuse to even consider playing non-Touhou shmups are also a problem, but at this point that almost seems like just a meme that gets parroted.

Genso Rondo is that PS4 title, right? I've never played it, so I dunno what it's like.
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>>166001914
Yeah Genso Rondo is for PS4 though originally released for PC, which is where I played it.

And I just believe, hey if its fun and you enjoy it, play it. Personally, Touhou seems decent. Not something that would draw me in as a die hard fan but something still pretty enjoyable nonetheless. At the end of the day, I'm a shmup fan and Touhou shmups...well are shmups. So well not just enjoy it for what it is. I was just curious as to why Touhou is so damn huge. And I've seen the 'fanart' before I ever knew the series had a shmup. It just never appealed to me.
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>>165999939
Does Jackal on NES count as a shmup? If not then probably In The Hunt because for the longest time it was the only PS1 game I owned.
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>>166003089
Haha if Jackal counts then Contra or Mercs or Commando would be my true first shmup.

Nice. Do you still have the In The Hunt PS1 copy?
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>>166003340
Nah I must have traded it for something or just lent it to a friend and forgot. Never could beat the game when I was younger, should commit to it one of these days.
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>>166003521
Mame it man. Its such a cool unique title.
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>>166003562
Yeah already play it occasionally, will have to focus on it once I get tired of playing Ketsui
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>>166003895
I dloaded it awhile ago but never really jumped into it. How good is Ketsui?
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Is Pink Sweets Caves Magnum Opus?
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>>165997680

Sophia's shield is definitely the best since it's literally an invincibility button (cancels all types of bullets, even stage 5 boss phase 1 metal bullets), but I found her other shots underwhelming, though I didn't play her very much. Noah I've barely touched and I can't even remember what she does.
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>>166004008
It's fantastic, very hard to put down. Currently trying to get an Omote 2-ALL, first time I liked a game enough to want to clear both loops
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>>166004370
Noah has a very awesome score multiplier element shot that just attacks everything when fully powered up. Its insane. Its easy mode but you get to see how effective it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtmPGMpiOI

>>166004481
Guess I'll go for it right after Crimson Clover. But why both loops? I'm still new to the genre and hear all of this "2all" or "double loop" talk. Why? Does the game get harder and/or is that the only way to access the secret boss?

>>166004036
Another new game I never heard of though its lagging the shit out of my mame. I have to figure something out aue it looks really damn good
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>>166004995
Don't just play danmaku shit. Also play other styles.
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>>166004995
>But why both loops?
Games generally get much harder in the second loop, often in a way that forces you to change your strategies. In Ketsui's case it adds suicide bullets, changes the scoring systems and makes existing attacks more difficult.
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>>166005083
I grew up playing Whip Rush, Gradius, Thunder Force and Raiden in arcades. These bullet hell games are what brought me back and I want to really get into them cause they're just fun as shit for me.

>>166005184
Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification.
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>>166004036
Muchi Muchi Porku > Ibala > Pinku Sweets
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>>166005974
With that kind of pronunciation, I can't trust you.
BUMP
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>>166006340
Uu-inndya! Kyasupaa! Forretto! Ro'za! Sakyura!

It looked fun.
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>>166004995

>Noah has a very awesome score multiplier element shot that just attacks everything when fully powered up

Ah I remember it now. My last Normal clear with Caladrius is like ~72 million and #4 on the leaderboards, and I think at least two people above me use that shot of Noah's, so there's definitely plenty of room for improvement. The top person seems to use Maria with uncustomized shots and has a huge lead on the rest of us, so I'm not quite sure what's up with that, but maybe I'll have to give Maria's shots a more serious try.
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>>166006475
>Uu-inndya! Kyasupaa! Forretto! Ro'za! Sakyura!
Haha. My otakuness left me about 12 years ago. That is just gibberish now. There is no looking back now.

>>166006510
Maria huh? I got to check that out. And congrats on the leaderboard placement.
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what the hell man
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>>166006921
>reco is a slut
they knew what they were doing
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Coming from the FGC, I can say this...you guys seem legit. Like you all actually play and enjoy the games AND are good at them. Just an observation. Let me 1cc CCWI before I grow the balls to talk shit.
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has our little dbcs finally grown up into a dad? http://store.steampowered.com/app/540680
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>>166007262
Is this DLC rank-based?
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>>166007262
>widely considered the origin of the bullet hell genre
Cave BTFOed
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>>165977574
>Gradius
first gradius on NES
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>>166007340
i really doubt it
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This actually looks fun, even though it is ugly af.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZVSA15mU-M
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>>166007262
>This DLC will add 1 ship, the Wild Snail, playable in DLC Mode.
Why not Gain?
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>>165999939
>1st shmup you ever played
Maybe StarForce on nes, i was 5 year old.
> hooked to the genre
touhou
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>>165999939
>Can you remember the 1st shmup you ever played
Space Invaders
>or the game that got you hooked to the genre?
Ikaruga
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>>166007735
wait for Sorcer Striker dlc
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>>166007735
Gain taught Miyamoto how to BOMBAA.
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>>166008076
>options are not ninjas
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>>166005083
i find shmups with few bullets to be boring as fuck. still, i play verticals like satazius and old shmups like recca, but those have a lot of bullets/enemies and are very fast paced. 80s early 90s shmups are too punishing and slow paced, though i guess it's the case with beat 'em ups and other genres as well.
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>>166008076
KAGE
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>>166007429
Get yourself educated, son. IKDad himself said in an interview that Gareggdad succes in arcades was the greenlight for Cave going full danamku with DaDP. Check "The History of Shooting Game" on YT for source.
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only touhou made greenlight for danmaku
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>>166009164
Touhou has never been a commercial success or even intented to be one, so no.
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Type III is cute! CUTE!!

It's also really good for playing for survival.
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>>166009280
i wanna beat DKA score
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>>166009513
Shouldn't be too difficult considering he is mainly a Type Z player.
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>>166007135
>ccwi
>1cc
we will talk next year then?
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I tried Dodonpachi Unlimited. Not very fond of it so far.

>Constant ad at the top of the screen
Like seriously the first thing that loads is the ad banner and then the main menu starts to pop up seconds afterwards. The ad persists throughout the entire time you're playing it. It doesn't obscure the gameplay screen at least, but it can still be annoying or distracting.

>Use coins earned during stages to upgrade your shot
Like in Gold Label, I'm not too fond of this sort of system, as it gimps the skill factor in favor of having to grind up coins to upgrade your shit until you're powerful enough to reasonably kill things. Admittedly I only played one stage so far so this *might* not be the case, but I feel safe assuming it is. To its credit, Dodonpachi Unlimited seems to use a more Mahou Otome-esque stage selection system, so I suppose that probably compliments it a bit more than Gold Label's "play the same stages over and over again until you reach a point you aren't strong enough to get past"

>Watch ads to increase coin count after stages
Seriously why is this game so chock-full of ads? Mahou Otome has no ads whatsoever and Gold Label only had the occasional ad, but this thing feels like I downloaded an ad app with intermittent shmup elements. Anyways, this part is at least optional, but I tried to watch the ad for the bonus coins or whatever and the thing froze at the end of the ad, so I had to close and reopen the app, at which point the coins I had gathered from the stage at all weren't saved, so I had to play the stage again.

I'm too tired to keep playing with it for now, but if this game has redeeming features then I'd be glad if someone could enlighten me as to what they are. Before I thought it'd be neat to get a Deathsmiles version of one of these games, but I'm quickly starting to think that they shouldn't even touch that series as they are now.

And I continue to scratch my head at the apparent difference in quality between these games and Mahou Otome.
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>>166013284
I've played the first two levels on easy and the first level on normal and had no issues killing shit with an unupgraded shot so it's far better than Mushi Gold Label at least
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>>166013284
>I continue to scratch my head at the apparent difference in quality between these games and Mahou Otome.
For one I don't think it was developed by Cave and MO might be
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>>166012478
lol
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>>166013909
It's handled by korean developer. Gomaotsu income relied on gacha, I don't think it would work with DU, what are you going to gacha for? Ships? Pilots? That means they have to work hard make lots of "waifus" just like in Gomaotsu
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>>165997284
I really like the iPhone games. Playing ezmode DOJ while taking a mean shit was fun. Controls were great on everything but Deathsmiles which I found borderline unplayable. Before that I guess I used to play Ketsui Death Label on my DS. Also fun.
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>>166015975
>Controls were great on everything but Deathsmiles which I found borderline unplayable
Deathsmiles demands two-handed love.
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>>165963907
you know the thing is if i just completely focus on the big ship then i have no problems but if try to get 5 chip chain from those tanks from left after dodging 2 barrages then i always get killed by either the bullets from 1st phase just after it goes to the second phase
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why i dying
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>>166009280
i once tried the type 3 and it felt somehow better for survival than type z but i cant handle its speed when playing with stick
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>>166021237
crimzon butthole
ass ignition
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tfw mahou otome doesn't work on my phone
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>>166021595
That's weird, it should. Unless you don't have iOS or Android, I guess...
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>>166021716
i have the htc one m9, just says it's not supported
it's only a couple years old
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>>166019401
It's really only stage 3 boss (first pattern) and stage 4 boss (beginning of last pattern) where the speed can fuck you over. And the TLB of course.

Otherwise you usually always have enough space to maneuver. And its shot is so devastating, that you can speedkill bosses with it easily.
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>>166021237
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>>166021807
install from apk
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>>166021807
Just to be sure, you are using a third-party app store such as QooApp to download it, right? It won't work from the Google Play Store outside of Japan.
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>tfw my shoes are already falling apart and the ones I bought online only come in 2 weeks
Whelp
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stop thinking about Kamui stick
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>>166025087
i can't do best without perfect stage 5
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>>165977574
G.Darius!

As for Gradius, I only played Nemesis on GB...
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Now that R-Type and Gradius are gone, it's Darius' time to shine!
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>>165999939
First shmup was Nemesis on GB. Or maybe Space Invaders on NES if that counts.

Then G.Darius, which is my favourite shmup ever, but I never played it hardcore. When I got DBCS out of love for G.Darius, I started going more or less full-shmup and now I want to score as well as possible to do justcie to my favourite shmups! And thus I sometimes go back to G.Darius now to play it for real!
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>>165999939
>Can you remember the 1st shmup
Thunder Force IV

>the game that got you hooked to the genre?
Many games, but especially R-Type
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>>166008212
>80s early 90s shmups are too slow paced
Do you call this slow-paced? https://youtu.be/nJmJUyLpOzY?t=15366
>punishing
git gut fgt

>i play verticals like satazius
not vertical
>recca
has shit design, you need to play better games
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>>165959153
>Wh-why?
So that people won't be able to call me out all the time. I'll continue posting scores or things relating to myself in other places though maybe.

>>165972269
Thank you! I think I'll continue making videos, but after I upload the 515m run, it's probably going to be a long time until I get good enough at another game to be able to make another decent annotated video. There are so many shmups I still want to try out and play because I spent most of 2016 only playing DOJ and Ketsui
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>>166022359
i was trying to download it through the play store with a vpn which hasn't given me problems before.
>>166022225
this seems to be working, downloading files now
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>>166029156
>Do you call this slow-paced?
considering that it took him 4 fucking hours to get there, yes.
>git gut fgt
as if the game will stop taking all power-ups and sending me back to a checkpoint after death if i'll git gud.
>not vertical
i obviously meant to say horizontal.
>has shit design
prove it.
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>>166030963
>considering that it took him 4 fucking hours to get there, yes.
post your first loop clear then big boi
>as if the game will stop taking all power-ups and sending me back to a checkpoint after death if i'll git gud.
You can overcome all of that if you git gut, literally watch the video I posted.
>i obviously meant to say horizontal.
seeing how dumb you are i'd not say "obviously"
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>>166031832
>post your first loop clear then big boi
i never said old games are easy, fuck off
>You can overcome all of that if you git gut, literally watch the video I posted.
i know i can, but what's the point of playing it when better games exist?
>seeing how dumb you are i'd not say "obviously"
no u
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>>166032340
>i never said old games are easy, fuck off
but you said they were slow-paced when most of them aren't you stupid fuck
>i know i can, but what's the point of playing it when better games exist?
"Better games" being your comfort zone where even a retard like you can 1-all something?
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>>166032340
I think it is pointless trying to argue with that person
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Rule # 1: DON'T ARGUE WITH CEE!!
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>>166033883
is that really cee though? he didn't call him a cunt or a liberal
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>>166033883
Doesnt feel like cee, the banter just isnt there
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Does anyone here actually own any cabinets/game boards or do you just emulate? I still play shmups on Shmupmame, but I wish I could afford to have the real thing.
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>have a really good run on ketsui with 70 mil points by the time i reach stage 4
>die once before midboss because i was kind of unfocused
>die a second time to midboss
>game over before the boss
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>>166035068
I have 2 Neo Geo MVS Superguns (1 slot and 2 slot) but all of my boards/carts are King of Fighters/Fatal Fury stuff and Rage of the Dragons. No shmups but I am looking for some.
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>>166033883
I think that's kraut
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>>166033883
Cee's arguments make less sense and are usually poorly founded nonsense or retarded jibbering peppered with halfassed insults and political meme pictures.
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>>166035068
>Does anyone here actually own any cabinets/game boards or do you just emulate?
option 3 I don't emulate but play official releases
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>>166036239
same with me
the run was good, take one death and run is over
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/shmupg/ - ceeientology.
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which MSX emulator you use?
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>>166039861
openmsx
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tfw no comfy streams
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niggers play other people's games
white people make and play their own games

you're not a nigger, are you /shmupg/?
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what's a good shmup to start with and get into the genre?
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>>166044238
Mushihimesama on Novice
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>>166044238
Deathsmiles. Also play the classics like Gradius, R-Type, Dodonpachi, Battle Garegga etc
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>>166044654
>>166044804
thank you anons
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>>166044238
The game which looks the best to you.
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>>166044804
>...Dodonpachi, BATTLE GAREGGA etc
Sure, he will be able to 1cc it in a few weeks.
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>>166044238
Touhou
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>>166037784
>Cee's arguments make less sense
Only because they're to complex for your pea brain desu.

>>166034113
>>166034270
Nope not me I think it's kraut poorly emulating my style but lacking the insult creativity, I quit the genre anyway and only brief browse in the morning with occasional banter injection.
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>>166046054
Also i'd never shit on old games when im a gradius fanboy and love toaplan/samesamesame etcetc, i respect all great play of every genre tbqh.
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>>166044238
Cho Ren Sha 68k
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>>166046054
>I quit the genre
thank god, back to your flipper games with you
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>>166046857
>I quit the genre anyway
Y? :'(
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>>166046857
bit of that and back to arcade racers, more fun and much better communities for both not that i care for that either way. I doubt you're good at any other genres are you? i mean are you even good at shmups?
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>>166047216
he will come back in a week anyway

>>166047247
Are YOU good at shmups?
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>>166047498
>he will come back in a week anyway
Well you can't read that's for sure because i said i quit shmups not that i quit the threads, dildoknickers. As if i'd leave out any chance to call you a daft gay cunty bollocks.

>>166047498
>Are YOU good at shmups?
Don't care either way desu, it's a degenerate empty road to no where. Imagine this vid is about shmup scoring and it's 100% spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56N17d4WnM
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>>166048309
>i said i quit shmups not that i quit the threads
Where did I say you will come back to the threads? I was talking about shmups of course...

>it's a degenerate empty road to no where
Oh and your flipper games and racing games are better? LMAO
What is really degenerate is being a self-hating fag like you are.
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>>166048309
How old do you guys think this talking fedora is?
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>>166047247
there is an arcade racer community? that's interesting
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>>166048842
>Where did I say you will come back to the threads? I was talking about shmups of course...
Then you need to learn english and use it properly and i bet i won't.

>>166048842
>Oh and your flipper games and racing games are better? LMAO
>What is really degenerate is being a self-hating fag like you are.

Oh you're one of those MUH HARDCORE LEET SHUMPZ types aren't you? before you talk shit on other genres make sure you can do them at a good level to, becoming a decent pinball player takes a ton of work and the same for arcade racers going for times etc. Must suck to be aone trick pony with no options or experience elsewhere, bet you don't even have any non vidya hobbies lmao loser.

>>166048857
Goose? no idea but it always makes me laugh and he is right. AGDQ just makes me want to gun that hall of failure weak genetics down, never before was there such a clear example of what a failing society creates.
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>>166048857
the sad part is that he's actually in his thirties
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>>166049240
This forum is run by ghegs of the farm

http://www.rolling-start.com/forum/index.php

Get involved with times if you play something, do you play arcade racers?
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>>166049286
>and i bet i won't
yea, me too!

...

>becoming a decent pinball player takes a ton of work
Then why do you play them? I thought working is degenerate?
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>>166049416
Just Outrun 2/SP casually, but I respect arcade racers, this guy has some crazy superscaler shit in his channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL2vdDeHwsMAnpI_4-ruROg
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>>166049743
he is aspiring to become kevinddr
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>>166047247
post ur fzero ax times
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>>166049743
>I thought working is degenerate?
Last time i respond to you because you can't even read, never said anything of the sort.

>>166049804
Ah nice man, my main games are rage racer, ridge racer v,wipeout 3/64, I have some good times for neo drift out and like the battle gear/side by side series to. Casually you should try flatout 2, best fun from a game ive had in a long time.

>>166050317
>post ur fzero ax times

Never liked fzero desu, overrated and horrible to watch to with the wanky waggle technique in ax I appreciate it though.
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>>166050578
>never said anything of the sort
You said scoring in shmups is degenerate because it takes a hard work.

> ridge racer v,wipeout
Bet I'd beat the crap out of you in them. I also played arcade racers when I was younger. Fun genre genre but not comparable to shmups.
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Is it just me or does Danmaku Unlimited 2 - Lite for iOS have no music at all?
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How does Cave create their backgrounds? Are they handdrawn? I just cant tell... They look too clean to be handdrawn.
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>>166050812
>shmups is degenerate because it takes a hard work.
No i didn't, learn to read.

>>166050812
>Bet I'd beat the crap out of you in them.

Lmao who cares you sad cunt? You've done nothing your whole life apart from vidya, i'd literally kill myself if i ever became the level of fail that you are. I mean really the HURR IM BETTA DEN U routine from a grown adult? lmfao.

>>166050812
>I also played arcade racers when I was younger. Fun genre genre but not comparable to shmups.

Cool story, post your times on the rolling start forum then?
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>>166051483
I thought you didnt want to reply anymore?
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>>166050812
Getting great times in wipeout games takes easily as much grinding as high level shmups scoring and there's no rng it's 100% down to perfectly executing every line, corner, braking etc and that's how it's obvious you haven't played them to any level at all. You just like to wank on about how super leet shmups are because it's all you play and that makes you feel all good about yourself lmao.

>>166051748
guess i lied.
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So.....how about them shmups?
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>tfw even ikeda doesn't like shmups and prefers driving games.
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>>166051875
>there's no rng
>implying every shmup has rng
(´・ω・`)
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>>166052060
All the modernish popular ones do, it's the laziest way designers thought up to give these shit games longevity.
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>>166052229
you still mostly can handle the rng if you are good enough
you just have to study 2 routes at once and find the middle way
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>>166052056
If Ikeda had gaysex with kraut-kun, would you too?
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>>166052496
he spends his days fantasizing about the king/emperor of england, what do you think?
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>>166052458
>you still mostly can handle the rng if you are good enough
Kraut isn't judging by his mediocre CC score after hundreds of hours of grinding. Doesn't change the fact that rng is used lazily to create challenge and longevity. It ruins guwange desu, you could perform worse and end up scoring more than a technically better run just because rng decided so, stupid.

>>166052496
No, my only intention with kraut is stabbing him to death that said i can't imagine many genre leaders can boast designers who don't even like the games.

>>166052780
>he spends his days fantasizing about the king/emperor of england, what do you think?
I think das sum gd crack mayne cus we don't have a king nor an emperor.
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>>166052980
>It ruins guwange desu
then guwange has bad rng
you also can have good rng though
rng is just a difficult thing to balance, but when its balanced right, then its definitely an improvement
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>>166053313
>then its definitely an improvement
Only from an operators point of view, as a player it's just an annoying forced hurdle designed to fuck you over and make you input more money. Samesamesame/raiden/gradius didn't need rng to be tough awesome games.
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>>166053772
>it's just an annoying forced hurdle
no, its fun to not have everything the same always
it tests your reflexes and just makes you memorize even more patterns
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>>166053960
No, it cheapens the game with luck based elements that potentially lead to scores that don't reflect 100% skill and instead are tarnished by the rng luck. The fact wrs come down to getting perfect runs AND needing perfect rng is proof that it's a terrible design shity bag trick to keep sad fucks grinding away at the game for 5x longer than they should have to.

>>166053960
>its fun to not have everything the same always

You're in the wrong genre.
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>>166029823
>I'll continue posting scores or things relating to myself in other places though maybe.
That sucks, I really enjoyed seeing you post your progress here, and I don't visit any other shmup-related websites. It makes me genuinely sad, but at least it's nice knowing you aren't going to stop playing.
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Cee, do you play those games with gamepad, keyboard or a racing wheel?
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>>166029823
>So that people won't be able to call me out all the time.
This matters why exactly pazzy? you really are a faggy little bitch aren't you? Dutch cream puff.
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>>166054416
did she go through with it?
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killed by suicide enemies after mid boss on stage4
it's just 50/50 to not dying here
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>>166054571
depends, i played neo drift out with keyboard and pad, ps1 stuff and ridge racer v with pad (normal i dont own a negcon) and battle gear 3 i had a machine locally, used to have scud race which i wish i played more. The only game i've played personally where it was really clear you need a wheel to compete with good times was outrun 2.
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tbf ham this general would be a lot less dad if it was about all arcade genres, not just shmups.
>>166051875
>there's no rng
have you tried rhythm?
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>>166054994
wat gam
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>>166054362
>luck based elements that potentially lead to scores that don't reflect 100% skill
thats only the case when you dont balance it well
ccwi has rng pretty damn well balanced
it has a lot of rng, but the rng never fucks with your score, and its also never luck based
you just have to memorize more patterns and act accordingly
the only thing which is a bit weird is the stage 4 boss turrets, but they dont give so much points anyway, so it doesnt matter much if you dont get the right turrets quickly
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>>166055204
not him, but obviously crimzon clover. /ccwig/.
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>>166055204
Crimzon Bullshit Rng
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>>166054994
>it's just 50/50 to not dying here
bullshit, you just have to dodge them while shooting them
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>>166055241
K but i don't play CC and don't care for it either so i'll take your word for it.

>>166055141
>have you tried rhythm?

Only genre i haven't desu, really appreciate good beatmania though.


>>166055141
>this general would be a lot less dad if it was about all arcade genres, not just shmups.

Agree strongly, i prefer the whole arcade scene kind of appreciation. Cross genre appreciation is a good thing especially against the annoying leet MUH SUPA HARD SHUMP cunts who have to turn everything tribal.
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>>166055471
never happened before
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RNG is the only actual test of skill. Not being able to adapt accordingly at the heat of the moment means you are a kusoplayer.
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>save states dont work in Guwange
y-yeah, it's not like I wanted to practice stage 4
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>>166053772
>Samesamesame/raiden/gradius didn't need rng to be tough awesome games.
Gradius has some annoying "rng" though, R-Type would be a better example
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>>166052060
stupid fucking hamster face
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>>166057893
Denko face
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13 posts until bump limit. Can the next OP add '+ Arcade' to the thread name as an experiment
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>>166061674
For what purpose?
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>>166061674
I like this idea
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>>166061674
i approve. was thinking of doing it but won't be around.
>>166062157
yeah fuck it, shmupg is for bumping.
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>>166061674
you wanna talk about Dolphin Blue!!? :D
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>>166050578
Most people play max speed in gx/ax so they don't have to destroy their hands doing waggle shit. Don't let that shit deter you from easily the greatest racer ever made.
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Move to the /vr/ thread. That board is slower and the mods won't care if you talk about newer shmups.
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>>166062679

>mfw traded in my copy of gx at a gamestop for a pittance back when i was poor
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>>166047247
you forgot to call him a one trick pony
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>>166049286
reading further i see you got the one trick pony in after all, all is well
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>>166052980
>Kraut isn't judging by his mediocre CC score
Isn't Kraut in the top 10? It is the most popular Steam shmup. Putting your personal hatred of the Kraut aside, being in the top 10 is objectively not mediocre.
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>>166065998
plus its a valid score, unlike mame ones
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>>166065998
Don't even bother trying to argue with Cee, he's a fucking retard.
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>>166066303
this
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ded thred
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>>166069226

If you want a general to discuss arcade games in general rather than shmups specifically, make /arcade/.
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>>166069293
I don't.
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>>166069654
I was referring to >>166061674 and the anons that agree with him.
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New thread when. Not interested in going to /vr/ personally. If this is how we die I just want to say it was a pleasure. Keep on dodging~
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>>166069767
Oh.
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>>166001914
I dunno man why would the fan art and whatnot have happened if people didn't love the games. To me the actual shmups obviously had to be the key factor for touhou to blow up like it did.
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