/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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1st for elfs

Whats the goal of this game? Or your goal

>>164964878
Make the most epic fortress ever..
And try not to restart it every 5 minutes

>>164964878
!!FUN!!

>>164964878
my goal with dwarf fortress is that some day I'll become so good at it that Toady "the lazy frog" 1 will notice, visit and congratulate me

>>164964878
>>164958424

>>164965078
the closest to that in normal circumstances is being active on the forums
Toady has thanked me many times and has answered my questions
He even laughed at a joke in one of the questions

>>164964034
Can I start learning how to play with the basic game and nothing more?

>>164967159
Yes, but i recommend that you have the wiki open in a tab, so you can look up things you don't understand during play.

>>164967159
And the wiki probably or just ask dumb questions here

>>164967369
>>164967375
Okay, before starting, what's the different between the basic game and the starter pac in the OP?

>>164967505
I believe the starter pack gives you access to some tilesets a bit easier and probably includes other utilities when they're up to date, I just play the base game

>>164967505
Starter pack includes a UI for changing some settings that you have to change by editing a txt otherwise. Apart from that, it comes packaged with some other third party utilities that you can easily get elsewhere.

Basically, the starter pack offers a crutch that will prove counterproductive in the long run. It adds no functionality to the game, since all the settings can be changed elsewhere, and since all third party utilities can be downloaded separately. It does, however, make a lot of players unable to play without it, meaning that they often have to stick to obsolete versions, even when newer ones are available.

Now is a great time for you to learn playing the vanilla game. You can try the starter pack out afterwards if you like, but it's best to learn the base game first, since that will give you a better understanding of the game.

>>164964034
oh sweet lord, DFHack alpha for the latest version and it includes a dwarf therapist
the game just became a lot more accessible.

>>164967505
this>>164968196

it's better if you avoid therapist and dwarfhack at first, otherwise you might turn into one of those faggots who are completely unable to play without it

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>>164964878
Make crazy shit happen, see crazy shit happen, tell others about crazy shit that happened (in game and on here), explore, create, dig, die, start again.

>>164968196
This 100%. The starter pack doesn't do anything you can't do yourself, I learned to play on the starter pack and was surprised how little it actually did once I switched to vanilla.

>>164968196
>>164968540
>dwarf fortress purists actually exist

No, the base game is not worth playing over the starter pack. The starter pack includes DFhack, which is absolutely vital for those rare cases when an underground spider or a kea man get stuck in a tree and make the fortress you've been working on unplayable because you get 2 fps. There's also a therapist-style job enabling/disabling UI included in the pack that is ingame, allowing you to bypass mostly what therapist offers so you don't need to tab out every time you want to manage mass jobs. The only thing you need therapist for is to see which units make the best soldiers. Armok Vision is another great utility as it allows you to see your above ground fort in all its three dimensional glory.

>but it's best to learn the base game first, since that will give you a better understanding of the game.

This is just horseshit, there's nothing in the pack that removes elements or makes them more obscure. If anything, the utilities in the pack will allow you a deeper understanding of the game. I had no idea dwarves had their own strength/toughness/agility/endurance till I used therapist, and there's absolutely nothing in the game that would tell you this information either.

>>164970616
>and there's absolutely nothing in the game that would tell you this information either

Let me correct this, there's absolutely nothing in the game that would tell you this either if you don't enjoy reading your 100 dwarf's descriptions and manually writing down and keeping track of which dwarves have the best soldiering stats. And even then, unless they're exceptionally bad or good in one of these stats, the character description screen won't make note of it.

>>164970616
>If anything, the utilities in the pack will allow you a deeper understanding of the game
Did you even read my post? I wrote that the utilities are easy to get elsewhere. I am NOT an anti-utility purist, I just don't want to rely on a useless middle man to use them.

All of the other shit you described is part of DFHack, which can also be easily installed without Starter pack.

Your argument boils down to
>Starter pack is necessaty because it has DFHack
My question is: why not just install DFHack, then?

>>164970616
>I had no idea dwarves had their own strength/toughness/agility/endurance till I used therapist, and there's absolutely nothing in the game that would tell you this information either.
This is also total BS. Their attributes are described in their thought screens. If you missed that, that's a shortcoming on your side.

>>164970616
Most of your issues are not issues at all. I play without dwarf hack just fine.

Managing jobs efficiently is also part of the game.

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>>164970616
dfhack isn't even stable yet and about the only thing I like it for is remembering menu position

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>>164970616
See this: >>164971261

I get the "muh vanilla purity" stuff, but there are things that I like doing and having access to and like more than the way vanilla does them. Similarly I build my own dfhack off the dev branch and swap in my own version of numerous scripts/keybinds/etc.

The starter pack value is in the little interface window to make a lot of stuff easier for people who don't default to working through a terminal on another screen.

It's the same reason I keep a link to the kde file browser, I can locate and open and edit files through the konsole window I always have open, but some things are easier to drag/drop/click/identify visually than it is to mv/rm/ls/tab completion at times.

Having some trouble,

I have dwarves with wood hauling and wood cutting turned on, and I have trees set to be cut down, but all my dwarves just sit there and idle.

I have a wood stockpile and I don't have any orders to not carry wood

I have crafted several iron axes

>>164972905
With the LNP and whatnot you get the little window that lets you click a button and swap tilesets, launch with dfhack, change basic settings, etc, all without having to pull up a text editor and know the right tags and whatnot for all the shit in the folders.

(same with not just using command line all the time, mostly because dolphin has the little preview icons for my df screens and pr0n, the screens I can TellByFilenameUsually, but I've got too many 720p_1454593.mp4 type vids to keep track of without seeing the thumbnail/previews)

>>164973273
They aren't set in military squads or in burrows are they?

>>164973450
Nope, haven't messed with either of those yet.

>>164973273
Are your iron axes properly stored? Sometimes if your goods are still in the workshop that made them and not in a stockpile your dwarves won't use them. I believe this happens when you have a stockpile that is inaccessible. Your dwarves queue up the job to take the finished product to the stockpile, but since they can't get there they never finish the job. Since the job never gets finished, other jobs requiring that tool never get started. So my real question is do you have an inaccessible weapons stockpile somewhere? If you don't have a weapons stockpile at all, you should make one.

>>164973450
>>164974068

Actually, something weird is going on

I put some axes into the blacksmith , but they aren't getting made, and the queue clears, no message or anything.

Same with the woodcrafter, nothing gets made but it was working earlier.

I do have a weapons stock.

I notice nobody walks over to the smith shop, but I have the labor enabled on everyone

>>164974384
You've got the bars and fuel or magma right?

>>164974540
...fug

OK, don't have those, but I can't even make a training axe, it disappears from the queue without being made as well. What am I missing there?

>>164974693
logs, presumably
but training axes don't work for cutting down trees as of 43.03+
do [z], go to stocks, see what weapons you have. The standard embark includes 2 picks and 2 axes.

About to embark on my first game. I'm following the wiki's Quickstart Guide and it says it is quite important that I look for a place that has no Aquifer. Why is this? I've found a place that matches with everything the guide wants (even the optional stuff) but has an aquifer.

>>164974956
Copper picks and 2 crossbows.


I am, however, running version 40

>>164974693
hey man, that shit happens.

>>164975061
Mostly because the quickstart guide is written for cowards. It's just somewhat tricky to get below an aquifer for the first time, but you should learn how to do it.

>>164975061
The easy-mode way to find out: they flood your fort


The fun way to find out: just try it and find out

>>164975061
My first time punching through an aquifer took me over 3 hours, and I felt I was already an experienced DF player. It's nice if you want a challenge, but if you're just starting out I imagine it will be a horrible experience. Also, an aquifer is a layer of stone that infinitely produces water on the tiles next to it. If you embark right on top of an aquifer, you probably won't have access to any metal ores if you can't punch through it.

>>164975076
>version 40
...that shouldn't happen though, 40.24 was all promise, 43.05 is the start of that promise being realized.

40.19 gave us activated worlds, and 43.05 means you get soldiers that will train and become weapon lords living in goblin and elf sites and they'll show up properly armored (no more helmet+body armor only) now, and you can use a force of recruited mercenaries to slaughter the siege after it gets done clearing the bards and scholars out of your tavern!

>>164975718
That's great and all but I still need logs.

aquifers will become the most efficient defense once toady adds enemies that can dig/break walls and there's nothing you can do about it

My possessed dwarf made a crossbow from someone's pet cat.
Should I keep it as a weapon, decoration, or sell it to the happy merchants(I've just embarked)?

>>164976036
What happened to the axe that you embarked with?

>>164976589
I don't think I embarked with one.

I guess I'll update to version 43 and start over

>>164976589
>>164976036
Oh wait, I see that you embarked with no axes. If you can find a lair of bitumous coal then you can get fuel for your furnace, otherwise you might be fugged.

>>164976036
check the 06/20/2016 entry

>>164976469
Don't think you can sell artifacts, can you?

Am I a cheating scumbag if I use DFhack to spawn 1 tile of 7/7 lava to use as a garbage dumb to save fps?

>>164977764
Not if you do it in middle of your tavern and accept the results no matter what.

Why do my dorfs refuse to make charcoal at furnace?

>>164979617
Got any dwarves with woodburning labor enabled?

>>164979962
I thought it was furnace operating.

>>164974068
There are no issues with dwarves taking items straight out of the workshop. They don't need to be put into a stockpile at all to be used.

>>164975718
World activation was .40.01, it was the whole reason it took so long between .34.11 and .40.01.

>>164976469
Use it. You can't sell artifacts anyway.

>>164968540
I can play without dfhack but dwarf therapist is just so necessary, manually changes dwarves' jobs is such a pain in the ass.

>>164976772
The 06/20/2016 entry of what?

>>164983062
the dev log, of course

>>164973273
Are you only designating the bottom of the trees to be cut down? If you are designating on several z-levels it tends to prioritize the middle or top of the tree which usually isn't routable.

If you mod in more than one race that trades during a certain season, do you get more trade caravans that season, or does it randomly choose between one of the two?

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>>164970616
>I had no idea dwarves had their own strength/toughness/agility/endurance till I used therapist, and there's absolutely nothing in the game that would tell you this information either.
Fucking retard
And you claim it ain't a crutch...

>>164970876
>reading your 100 dwarf's descriptions
It's always in the same spot and is color-coded.

>>164982472
I was thinking about the fixes for world-gen battles and off-site battles where they were first having people stuck asleep, then having attackers autowin, plus the emotion rewrite.

>>164983768
3 caravans come a year, Player Entity caravans, Elven caravans (because of [TREE_CAP_DIPLOMACY]) and a civilization without [TREE_CAP_DIPLOMACY] (unmodded, this would be humans). Seasons aren't the deciding factor and Dwarf Fortress even has compatibility for multiple caravans in one trade depot.

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>>164984396
And is extremely vague and only shows up if the attribute in question is significantly above or below average.
If an attribute isn't even listed, it could be anywhere between 30% percentile to 70% percentile and you have absolutely no way of knowing.

alright purist fags, tell me how I check dwarf or animal size without hack or the rapist, and also sexual orientation

checkmate

>>164985117
no one has argued against DFHack. we're only saying that you don't need Starter pack to use hack.

>>164985542
You don't need the starter pack for perfect world, therapist or legends viewer either, and you don't need it to adjust things like population cap, visitor cap, invader cap, autosaves, tileset, the presence of aquifers, etc.

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How do I make my dwarves pick up fruit from the roof of my surface buildings?
I already made a fruit gathering zone and the roof is accessible to dwarves.

>>164986229
You're absolutely right. Most of those things you can adjust are in the init.txt except for tilesets (kind of) and aquifers (which are in raws/objects/ in organic_stone_layer.txt, organic_stone_mineral.txt and organic_stone_soil.txt then all you need to do is remove [AQUIFER] from them)

>>164987559
>organic_stone_layer.txt, organic_stone_mineral.txt and organic_stone_soil.txt
kek
inorganic_stone_layer.txt, inorganic_stone_mineral.txt and inorganic_stone_soil.txt

>>164984859
Neither of those things happened in 40.19 either.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=146043.0
Also neither of them are world activation. And the sleeping armies bug still hasn't been fixed.

>>164985117
>>164985109
Why do you feel privy to this info anyway? I just always have my perfectly competent military trained somewhat, armed with what I can get.

You can make a perfectly functional fort without knowing exactly how many good boy points each dwarf has. The fuck you need to know precise size for? What function does that serve? (Inb4 some autistic reply. You know an elephant is bigger than a pig fuck off. )

In short any "problems" run into with the lack of knowing these things just give me more FUN, so, whatever. Bring on the gay giraffes.

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>>164985109
LNP users everyone

>>164989212
>The fuck you need to know precise size for
Because it directly affects butchering returns and combat effectiveness.
A small dwarf will be much weaker than a large dwarf when at equal skill level and equipment.
Almost every animal in the game reaches adulthood at 1 year, but doesn't reach full size until 2 years, and you'll be wasting tons of meat by butchering them as soon as they hit adulthood.

Attributes are also extremely important. Yes, they are trained up over time, but they have caps based on what the dwarf started with, and every single one of them is absolutely critical to everything you do, with the sole exceptions of musicality, disease resist and recuperation.
It's important to know which dwarves have good attributes and which don't, so you know who to assign to what jobs. Your military should be reserved for people who have outstanding attributes since that guy with 34% strength and 22% agility is going to be totally useless and die the moment he gets in combat with anything that matters.

>>164989519
>I'm too stupid to understand how attributes work, so anyone who does and realizes how important they are is bad
??????

>>164990317
You really don't need to min/max like that.

>>164989212
>>164990457
>DUDE just turn off ur brain lmao
>who cares if ur militia is shit just start a new fort lol

>>164990508
I wasn't saying that at all, but here's your (You) anyway.

>>164990457
Sure you don't need to, but really you don't need to do anything except embark next to a river and have a farmer assigned to a 3x3 plump helmet farm.
Anything past that is minmaxing.

>>164990317
>A small dwarf will be much weaker than a large dwarf
Not much weaker, there's not a very large range by default.
And you can see dwarves' attributes on the thoughts and prefs screen. Anything that deviates from the median is listed there.

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>mfw Purist McScrub tries to tell me not to minmax in my autism simulator

>>164990317
You still haven't told us why you would need LNP for this.

DFHack should be enough.

>>164990683
>Anything past that is minmaxing
Holy shit you are a dumb.

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>>164945013
Thanks!
>>164946934
Just some chum from London

>>164991017
>Anything that deviates from the median is listed there.
False. It needs to be below the 29th percentile or above the 71st percentile to get listed. That's a HUGE deviation from the norm that gets totally ignored. Dwarf A can be literally twice as strong as Dwarf B and neither of them gets a mention of how strong they are.

>>164991128
Considering you're the one who doesn't know what minmaxing means, I think you should probably stop posting.

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>>164990449
>>I'm too stupid to understand how attributes work
I know dude, that's what I was responding to.

>>164991085
Because DFHack doesn't tell you unit size or attributes as well as Therapist does?
You don't need LNP for it, it's just the best tool for the job.
It gives you everything you could possibly need, everything could possibly want, and a little bit more, and does it better than any of the alternatives(AKA vanilla since LNP includes pretty much every 3rd party program under the sun) and the only argument against it is some purist appeal to masochism "but you don't NEED it!".

Can we not shit up the thread arguing about shit that doesn't matter? Can we argue about tilesets instead? Or how wide stairways should be?

>>164992179
x3 of course

>>164992179
>stairways
Only fags use stairways.
Ramp only master race.

>>164992310
You take that back you son of a bitch.

>>164992046
Except LNP tends to have all that shit outdated so you would be better of downloading everything yourself.

Anyone up for a migration to discord?

>>164992401
4chan discords are autistic

>>164992310
You are completely right.

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so. can i get a thumbs up from the drawfags that theyll do these months

Drew - Autumn: limestone sandstone timber
Dots - Winter: moonstone opal obsidian
Frown - Spring: granite slate felsite
Honest - Summer: hematite malachite galena

also should it be in the order of granite = january (to better reflect the game) or opal = january (to better reflect real life)?

and on the subject of holidays. which ones should be on the calendar from real life and in game? im already going to be doing nationally recognised and widely accepted ones such as valentines day, new years, christmas, halloween and a few others. as well as ill be doing werebeast transformation days from the wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Calendar)

how far into 2018 should it go? just a small 6 month? full blown pages through march? none at all?

and the color scheme, should i use default DF color pallette or a modified one or just any one i want?

thats all the questions i have for right now. but if you could do this poll it would be awesome so i can get an idea of how likely it will be for this to go through.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12064038
http://www.strawpoll.me/12064046

wallpaper so you all tolerate my autism and are more likely to read my post

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>>164992382
Never. I bet you even embark on sedimentary stone layers you pansy.

>>164964034
When was the last time anyone ever got a fell mood? Has the new emotions system influenced how often they show up, if at all? Am I just unlucky?

>>164987112
did you manage the labor?

>>164991416
>It needs to be below the 29th percentile or above the 71st percentile to get listed
If a dwarf's attribute falls between the median and the first raw increment above or below it, then it isn't listed. They're in the median range. Their strength isn't significantly higher or lower than median for a dwarf. If you were to comb your population for dwarves you MIGHT find a pair with the maximum possible difference of 749 points within the median, but that's an outlier case and you know it. DF may not have a stellar UI, but designing a UI around outliers like that is absurd. And if by some chance you were to recruit those dwarves with 751 and 1499 strength into your military you would never notice a difference in their performance once they started training, skill gain would totally eclipse the difference in their attributes in short order. The only way you would ever know the difference is by checking their attributes with a 3rd party utility.

>>164970450
Where is this screenshot from?

>>164992968
I think it's just much rarer to have pissed dwarves now with alcohol being so OP, I haven't seen any in a while.

>>164992883
It sounds pretty fun desu.

t. frownanon.

It was a long time ago I last saw honestanon, though. He disappeared soon after the discord incident. He posted a lot of OC the next day, but I haven't seen him since then.

>>164993501
I assume it's a mockup of how one of the Anons sees the the new alias system working.

>>164992968
Fell and macabre moods are currently impossible since they were part of the old thought system which no longer exists. (That's also why possession is so much more common now, since happy thoughts used to increase the chances of a fey mood)
Being unfocused is not the same as being unhappy, so dwarves are effectively incapable of emotion ever since the update.
As far as I know, tantrums are also currently impossible, and insanity is only triggered by failed moods now.

All my projects to attempt to trigger tantrums, insanity and unhappy strange moods have failed.
You can amontillado your entire fortress into a single tile and force them to spend years sustained only by dirty water and scavenged vermin, crushed beneath the weight of the corpses of their friends and family, and the worst you'll get is that little yellow "Distracted" arrow.

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So /dfg/, I just got out of rehab and moved into an SLE and won't have my computer for a couple of months. If I don't get my DF fix asap I'm gonna kill myself. Any Android games in the same vein as DF that don't suck to help me get my fix in the mean time?

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>>164992401
Anon no
Don't

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>>164991579

>>164993487
>skill gain would totally eclipse the difference in their attributes in short order
Right up until they hit the cap and Urist Mc1499 is still way stronger than Urist Mc751.
attribute_cap = starting_value + max {starting_value, median}

Also you act like this is rare, but if you were using therapist to check attributes you would realize that it's actually the norm and attributes close to the median are the lucky outlier case.

>>164993824
Happiness has never had any effect on fey moods. Fey, secretive, and possession have always had equal likelihoods for dwarves who weren't very unhappy. You're right about fell/macabre moods, though. They should still be technically possible, but I don't know how one would stress a dwarf badly enough to trigger them, as dwarves are very emotionally stable these days.

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>an image of trillion cut gems
Goddamn, nigga really likes gems

>>164993824
Damn, that's a shame. I hope Toady plans on addressing that sometime soon. It gets kind of disappointing when he half-overhauls a system and doesn't adapt the rest of the game to it

>>164994570
Really?
I guess I was just really lucky. I used to always try and keep my dwarves at max possible happiness, and nearly all my moods were fey moods.
Then the update rolled around and for a few months I got exclusively possession. It took three months before I finally got a secretive mood. I figured it had something to do with the thought system, but I guess it was just a crazy run of luck.

>>164991271
>tfw more accurate then BF1

>>164994447
You misunderstand me. I'm saying that the greatest possible difference in strength that two median dwarves can have is insignificant because their skill is much more important. If they were both, e.g., legendary +2 spearmasters, their performance in combat is going to be so similar that the fact that one caps out at mighty and the other at strong is meaningless. They're both fit for service, and you know that by looking at their thought and prefs screen and not seeing any red text indicating their strength. And tending toward the median is how the attribute entries in the raws work, they're not going to tend to the extreme edges of the median range. If they did, the a larger proportion of dwarves would land in red or green text ranges than they do, and the median wouldn't be the median. You're just making shit up because you want to appear right now.

>>164995481
That's not how it works though. The median is not as median as you think it is.
It picks one of the ranges defined, tending towards the median range, and then chooses a completely and entirely random number within the selected range.
The ranges don't even need to be in numerical order or make any sense at all
[5000:0:5000:0:5000:0:5000] is a totally valid attribute range.

>>164993962
Yeah there's on coming out no earlier than MARCH
When do you get your PC back?
As long as it's not before M
A
R
C
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>>164992401
fucking kill yourself

>>164995956
Even if you're right about how attributes are selected (I'd like to see a source on that), the median is still the median. In a random distribribution of numbers within a defined range, any single data point is more likely to be nearer to the median of that range than either of the extremes. If it were truly random, only half of the numbers would be closer to the either extreme than the center, and only a quarter closer to any one extreme.

>>164964878
My goal is to document and draw the faces of the people I encounter based solely on their descriptions.

>>164997495
Post them please.

>>164997597
Im deviantart tier at best, Im not a good drawfag.

>>164997765
post them please.

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>>164994614
Hate to break it to you but this is what trillion cut gems look like.

>>164993962
What were you in rehab for?

>>164998771
Fuking ur mom

>>164964878
mint coins and put them in the royal bank

>>164999042
I wish they had rehab for being rood.

>>164998187
I will post this next one I guess.

>>164999640
They do though, it's called anger management classes.

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>>164964034
whats wrong with dwarf the rapist? those it NOT WORK at all or is there just some new job thats not showing up?

>>164999918
does*

>>164999918
The currently download doesn't have the correct memory layouts (it can be got off the github page though) and it doesn't work for 64 bit DF.

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>obok
>kills a bunch of dudes
>has orphans fight to death
>just another day in DF

>"rapes" one of the goblin orphans
>OH NO THIS IS THE MOST TWISTED THING IN THE HISTORY OF DF

I don't get it. Is the idea of having sex with a goblin that horrifying?

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I got siege, and had 40 barely trained (dabbling/novice) speardwarves hold off 17 goblins.
Lost 14 dwarves, rest were all injuried, they all healed. But theres this guy here who has an arrow and bolt stuck in his, his wounds were sutured but he didnt take these arrows out...

Any way for them to get removed?
Do leg fractures and broken bones heal and how long do they take? What about nerve/motor senses damage?

>>165000515
the whole thing is fake to begin with. sure, modding the game that way IS possible, but the way it was written made it obvious that the author didn't know how the RAWs work.

>>165000515
I'm pretty sure it was an elf he raped.

>>165001291
It was.

>>165000817
removing arrows from the lower back usually cripples a dwarf for life anyway and they dont do anything if they are jus tleft in forever (unless some one pulls them out in a fight)

fun tip: never pull out an arrow from your lower back in adventure mode

nerve/motor senses damage never goes away but it doesn't really effect anything and broken bones heal if you put a brace on them

>>165001291
>>165001458
Is there a difference?

>>165001583
It's not rape if it's an elf.

>>165000515
Serously, mermaid bone farms and dwarven child care are worse.

>>165002086
Violence is fine, sex is ick and wrong. Don't you know anything anon?

>>165000515
The story isn't well known because it's bad, it's because it turns people on.

>>165002086
Well, Toady did actually make mermaid bones worth considerably less after that thread

>>165002392
I mean, it wasn't just "sex". It was child rape in the Obok story. Not really just prudishness in that situation.

>>165000515
Isn't sex with miners a normal part of dwarven civilization?

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>>165003003
ayyyyyyy

>>165002876
It wasn't enough to cause Toady to delete the post though.

>>165002876
It was still lesser than the other things Obok already did, unless you believe the "rape is worse than murder" meme.

>>165003252
It's to prevent setting a precedent for thousands of thread detailing raping your elven little girl companions.

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>>165003003
nice

>>165003193
>>165002876
because one was actually amazing the other was just editing the raws, im sure if some dude made two 100 z level statues of 2 dwarfs sucking each other off with a system that shoots magma out of one dwarfs dick onto the face of the other it would be just as good

>>165002876
So child rape is oh my god what the fuck, but child mutilation, child murder and child torture are totally ok to joke about?

>>165002876
>Well, Toady did actually make mermaid bones worth considerably less after that thread
Because they weren't supposed to be high value in the first place. He forgot to change the template.
The thread was basically a bug report.

>>165003697
Yep!
It's the American Way!
"Blood, gore, and violence are all okay, but show even a nipple and everyone flips out!"

>>165003393
The reaction of calling it a particularly morally abhorrent story has nothing to do with that though, it's an emotional response rather than a logical one.

>>165003697
Most of the violence in Dwarf Fortress is absurdly over the top. Both shit like Dwarven childcare and the mermaid farms are cartoonishly violent.
>>165003908
Again you seem to be equating Americans being weirdly uncomfortable with full frontal nudity with child rape.

I don't even care about the obok meatgod thread, I can just understand why most people don't want that sort of things on the forums

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>>165003908
>>165003697
>>165003962
>>165004330

the key here is "intent" if some one made a huge post about mutilating children in DF for a sexual thrill it would be deleted as well

if some one made a huge post about breeding dwarves with elves in rapes caves to create some kind of hybrid that can mine faster and eat less, provding a spread sheet about how its time efficient over 40 years the thread wouldn't get deleted

>>165003908
>>165003697
if you guys cant see the difference youre retarded / autistic / 16 year olds

>>165004330
>implying western (including european) stigma surrounding sexual content is limited to nudity
Nice intellectual dishonesty.

>>165004521
You literally just said
>"Blood, gore, and violence are all okay, but show even a nipple and everyone flips out!"
Don't act like such a failed abortion

did you guys ever notice that pissing, shitting, and fucking all happen within a 2-inch radius?

obviously toady has issues with genitalia

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>>165004517
Nice job assuming the intent of the Obok poster.
>make a long post about mutilating children for the sadistic thrill
>just another day in Dwarf Fortress
>one of the characters do something sexual in the process
>SHUT IT DOWN

You're a prude, dude.

>>165004330
>>165004517
I'm not trying to say that child rape is ok or should be allowed on the forums or was a good inclusion in the dude's shitty story.
I'm just saying that it's stupid that child rape is where the line was drawn and not child mutilation and murder.

>>165004865
You would too if you had to deal with the kind of suggestions toady gets.

All you have to do to know the motive behind this shit stirring post is look at the pic he chose
>>165000515
He's obviously just a weeb who wants to make DF a breeding ground for his lame ass loli rape fantasies, pay him no mind

>>165004669
>show even a nipple
>limited to
Learn English, you fucking moron.

>>165004517
Yeah, you're right even though the intent of Obok Meatgod was purely to shock people and not because he had a sexual desire to do so, you can tell easily by the way he speaks about his adventurer but keeps playing him even though what he does is super boring in-game.

>>165005320
>putting that much effort into justifying an adhom
All these flavors, salty, etc.

>>165005243
Why specify child rape? Are you of the opinion that regular rape should be on the forums?

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I have the queen in my fortress, she inherited the title because the previous king died.
Now, I also have the liaison offering me to establish my colony as an official land, if I recommend the queen do she become a baron or is just update my fortress?

>>165005934
Because that's what the discussion was about?
Rape in general should fuck right off because it's not in the game and never will be.
Obok and similar stories should also fuck right off because they're shitty shock value trash that really have nothing to do with the game, and in the case of Obok, weren't even rooted in actual gameplay, not even abstractly.

>>165006146
think she becomes both or stays as the queen, you can have your mayer also be the trader for example

>>165006146
I think it'll just pick someone else. Even the fortress that's home to the monarch needs a baron/count/duke.

>>165006146
>demoting your queen

rude

>>165006146
She will become a baron but she will still be a queen because that title is higher.

>>165006326
Except the discussion was about sexual content in general.

>rape should fuck right off because it's not in the game
So do you think those chained-up mermaids were bred voluntarily?

>>165006610
Those chained up mermaids weren't bred at all because at the time the post was made, underwater creatures were bugged and could not reproduce.
The entire topic was theoretical anyway. Nobody actually did it because it was so extremely impractical, and by the time you could actually get the system up and running(assuming you were lucky enough to even get mermaids at all) their bones weren't even that big a deal anymore.

>>165007092
Which is a damn shame. I hate the meme that only farm animals are ever worth keeping as cattle.

>>165007381
It's not a meme if it's true.

>>165007381
Trolls would be worth keeping as cattle if you could tame them.

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>>164988651
Yar, one was 40.14, one was 40.16, and 40.19 stuck out since we could de-dick elves.

>>164993501
Used gm-editor to insert an example of how things like that worked.

>>165003697
Kids mutilate and torture each other in game whether you're there or not.

>>165007540
People value random shit like elephant tusks extremely highly. Why wouldn't there be similar cases involving sentient mythological species like mermaids?

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>>164998187
>>164999660
Like I said, deviantart tier.

>>165008712
to what end anon?

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>>165003003
My sides have sailed off in an arc.

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Now that can't be normal.

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>>165009480
I like to draw. I'm horrible at it though. Used to do it a lot when I was younger and just started again. I wanted to draw people and characters but, I'm still quite a novice. I use DF as a way to get facial feature ideas so that they all don't look the same. Here have one a landscape instead, its one of the few things I'm semi-proud of.

>>165008712
df will be a good place for inspo but you should really draw from reference until you have it down at least a bit. or at least start with a hyper generic baseline sketch youve made and modify it to fit each dorf you draw. it will come.
https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/human-anatomy-fundamentals-basics-of-the-face--cms-20417

>>165010561
That's actually pretty cozy

>>165010561
i wish you nothing but the best m8, art is a thankless hobby that has no purpose but self improvement. make sure its something you really want to do before spending more time on it, i find a musical instrument is some times just as good when you want to express yourself

>>165010561
I agree with: >>165011389 on the cozy level there.

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Man this game really wants me to make some fucking pottery
>Soil layers are clay loam, clay, sandy clay and fire clay
>Immediately goes into three levels of kaolinite and lignite

>>165011983
Do it.

>>165012197
I was already planning on it actually.
Goal with this fort is to hit magma ASAP, pump it up to the first cavern layer(where my fort will be) and use it for metal and pottery. The lignite will be useful to help make the pump stack.

>>165011983
Make a terracotta army.

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>>165011983
>You have struck kaolinite!

please do my calendar poll.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12064038
http://www.strawpoll.me/12064046

>>164994145
always good, glad I saved it

>>165015102
did it
>>165011983
>pottery
>>165010561
>drawing

Man, I thought /ksg/ motivated people to do stuff, but you guys are awesome

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>>165015102
voted.

>>165010561
good.

>>165015102
I answered the second poll, but not the first because "none of the above, I can print it myself" wasn't an option.

>>165011983
I thought you said poetry at first.

>>165018089
>>>/tv/

>>165015102
>>165017257
Yeah, it's a noble idea, but you'd have just as much of a positive impact compiling the images, laying out the calendar format, and then just sharing a PDF here.

>>164992310
enjoy wasting space

>>165018921
>Not having a master water slide down the center of your fort for mass transit

Its like you dont even belive in fun anon.

>>165018782
>just as much of a positive impact
i disagree because having a novelty sent to you is way better than making your own novelty. especially if you dont have easy access to quality print shops and end up doing a color print job on your home printer.

>>165017257
>none of the above, I can print it myself
>what is 'pay the manufacturing costs'

>>165019463
>what is printing it at work because I'm not a NEET and enjoy stealing from my corporate overlords

>>165018673
For some reason I thought that meme came from /4xg/

>>164974540
I accidentally read this as "You've got bears as fuel for magma right?"

just one mistake. just ONE misplaced dig designation, and everything's ruined. Either I try and forget about that level entirely and start over on another z level, or I incorporate it into the design somehow. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>165018921
That's not wasting space. That's using space. All of those thousands of unrevealed subterranean tiles in high-efficiency forts are wasted space.

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>>165020183
>metal

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Would I get banned if I posted this in the FoFT?

>toady dies
>brother releases the df source code
>it's a single cpp file

>>165024017
>that filename and pic
Jesus, thats fucking savage man
I would definitely ban you
A better name would be ''Toady_And_Threetoe_In_Heaven_After_Toady_OD'd

>>165024194
Go download the oldest linux release and take a look at g_src. As best I can tell, g_src was created by ripping 15,000 LOC out of the main game and stuffing them into a .so. It's not all one file, but it's plenty disturbing in other ways. My favorite part is Toady's Fortran-tier commenting style:
//ALL COMMENTS ARE FORMATTED LIKE THIS

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>>165024017
>>165024327


i don get the joek explain pls

>>165026043
Toady once said in an interview , when explaining the bad experience he had as a mathematician, that he once did meth, and he thought his brother was dead
It was a pretty scary experience for him, and he got the fuck away from drugs
The webcomic comically makes a reference to mathematicians doing meth in order to publish theorems, as its a very energy and attention consuming task
In the case that that pic was posted in the FoFT, where Toady would see it, the anon that posted the pic asumes that the casually reference to a very traumatic event in Toady's life would make him angry enough to ban him from the forums

There you go

>>165027364
>that he once did meth, and he thought his brother was dead
Sounds like typical amphetamines. Even adderall is enough for life-ruining horror. I can't even imagine why people would willingly do it in larger doses.

>>165003003
I don't get it

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>>165027364

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post your forts!

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How do I make it stop?

>>164992883
>winter
ok

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>>165001762

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In the ammunition section on the military screen is the amount of ammo for each individual dwarf or for the entire squad?

>>165032252
entire squad which is why it I believe it defaults to 250?

>>165031354
What am I seeing here? is this a screengrab from Kobold Camp in which they somehow repelled a zombie siege?

>>165031374
Close off/fully explore/d b f your caverns. Or delete your refuse stockpiles.

>>165029446
sick. thats actually way fucking cool to see a functioning fort in webm form. if anyone has more please post

>>164993962
Try Liberal Crime Squad if you must have a toady game. It's no DF, not even remotely the same genre, but it's definitely easy to get lost in.

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>>165034357
I made this a while ago while trying to figure out webmcam. I wasn't going to post it since I wasn't too happy with it, but the fort has since died of FPS death when I tried to attract the monarch, so it's the best I'm getting out of Emeraldmirrors.

>>165024017
You should be banned for reading that STEM-fag webcomic in the first place.

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>>164992883
yea or nay?

>>165039807
>September.jpg
Don't you mean
>Limestone.jpg
?

Note: Limestone is from about September 21 to about October 21. I've been working on a mockup of how the two calendars should be combined for the past couple hours (I am slow) so I should have that finished and posted soon(ish).

Also note: I am not the anon who started this. I just think that if it's going to be done, it should be done right, and I have a strong opinion on what constitutes "right" in this context, which I shall elaborate upon once I have finished my mockup.

As for your picture: looks good to me.

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>>165040242
My bad, I meant limestone.
Timber underway.

Is there a way to find out what civilization your fortress will be before you embark?

>>165041645
Never mind. Just noticed you can select it in one of the embark screen modes.

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>>164992883
Will this do for Granite?

I'm not very good at judging the quality of my own stuff.

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>>164992883
>>165039807
>>165040242
>>165041484
>>165043830
Ok, here's my mockup.

It took a lot longer to make this than I thought it would, though I don't feel so bad about thinking maybe I should put it off until tomorrow now that I know how long it actually would wind up taking me.

Since it's 6:30 AM now I'm just going to hope this is clear enough for now and explain anything that isn't later if anyone wants.

>>165044130
Good job bro.

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>>165044130
Got it.

>>165043830
Nice as normal.
(baby snatcher in the brush?)

>>165044525
>(baby snatcher in the brush?)
Yeah. Thanks.

>>165044130
>tfw the community has become so special snowflakey that it needs its own time count and calendar
I like it.

Apart from the printed calendar, someone should also make an app or something that keeps track of time using the same calendar. The latter could be used as a meaure for eventual future printed calendars.

>>165045191
>meaure
measure*

>>165044130
I should probably add this while I'm eating:
I think it would make the most sense to have it be a 1st Granite-28th Obsidian calendar for DF year 12, which works out to late March 2017-late March 2018.

Also, I just noticed that I skipped a day in November in my mockup. Oh well.

>>165044130
i just figued it would be simpler, an much less autistic, to label the months with their df counterparts and otherwise not do much to align it to the game.
so

>Opal = January and has 31 days
>Obsidian = ferbruary and has 28 days
etc

>>165043830
it looks really nice! but if you could color it a bit it would work much better.

>>165039807
>>165041484
lookin very good!

>>165050134
>it looks really nice! but if you could color it a bit it would work much better.
Yeah, probably. I haven't done any colouring before, though, but I'll give it a try.

>>165050050
I second this. If I'm going to actually use the calendar I'd want the days to line up, otherwise it would become far less intuitive to glance at to check events.
Not that I don't appreciate the work put into that mockup, I would just find it awkward to use.

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>>165050134
>>164992883
Here's a coloured version of my granite entry.

I also finished up my Slate entry.

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>>165054114
Here's the slate one.

It's an indianon style map of a human hamlet, mostly inspired by early modern tow maps.

>>165054114
>>165054254
very comf thank you very much

There is LITERALLY (literally) no reason to not use the starter pack if it was updated.

>>165057181
>if it was updated
That's a rather big 'if', considering that it's out of date 99% of the time.

Just installing the individual utilities as they become available is generally more flexible.

Also, I know you hope to keep the thread alive by stirring up a shitstorm.

>>164993214
What do you mean?
Some months ago I just set the zone and deleted it after they picked the fruit up. Now it doesnt work.
I believe it falls under plant gathering,

>>165057906
not that anon, but seems like I'm stumped too.

troubleshooting list:
-food stockpile has leaves enabled (fruits are leaves, not plants) and has enough room.
-dwarves have labor enabled (90% sure it's plant gathering)
-the zone is set to the right type of zone, and is set to active
-roof is accessible, if there's a ramp involved
-*optional maybe dwarves are OCD and will only pick up plants on the floot if they have a stepladder available anyway?


if that doesn't work , set the fruits to dump, and make sure the standing orders are to pick up garbage from the outside. Dump them into a single square, then set that square to a stockpile, use 'give to another stockpile' to transfer it to main food stock.

If you're going OCD because the fallen leaves/seed pods are coloring your roofs, you can use a dfhack command to clean leaves/blood/vomit.

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>a group of peaceful squirrel men comes to visit my fortress
>my dwarves massacre them on sight
Huh?

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>pic related comes to my fort
>PC crashes
>save corrupted

FUCKING HELL HOW DO I CLEAN LEAVES OFF THE GROUND REEEEEEEEEE

>>165061581
dumb frogposter

My secretive dwarf wants a shining bar of metal. Which one is it?

>>165062865
what about it is it that you don't understand? from my experience, any metal should do, regardless of his preferences.

>>164964878
Try to live only on wood while keeping a better moral system than those pesky elves.

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*deep breath*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>165065509
Stop hating keas.

>>165065865
They are tiny thieving shits. If Toady made them even more realistic and made them attack certain livestock I would hate them even more.

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>>165065509
>kea cleans silver bolts from the forests around your fortress

>>165068087
>forests
>around fortress

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>>165065509
>new embark
>a Kea made off with your iron anvil!

Is a dented neck supposed to prevent dwarves from doing their jobs? I have a guy who went full NEET after getting his neck slightly dented in a fight with a troglodyte. It's actually really pissing me off, he's just an asshole leeching off all my shit. He's a fucking manchild. Is a dented neck a much bigger deal than I thought or is my dwarf just a lazy shit?

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How the hell did he get in here, the caverns are closed off. better yet why isn't he slaughtering everyone?

>>165070291
I wish I had a dented neck so I wouldn't have to work.

>>165070442
He's a master troll.

>>165034016
Late but thanks man, it worked

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>>165070442
I tried to wall him in and he just toppled them and went back to standing in the middle of the room. I don't know what he's planning but he's making me nervous. Trolls aren't trapavoid are they?

>>165070291
A dent is basically just a bruise.

If he's not doing any work, it's probably because you haven't assigned him the labour required for whatever you want him to do.

>>165071325
He's preparing to bash down the other door. When he's done that, he'll go somewhere else and repeat. Kill him while you still have furniture left.

>>165071325
>wall

just kill it

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>>165071472
>>165071627
I expected a lot more from him, he ran into my sweatshop and got murdered by a couple of masons.

Dragonfire can't melt steel bridges.

But masons can deconstruct anything.

>>165034357
thanks anon, I'll post more tonight

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>>165060558
Dwarves can get weirdly aggressive at times. I lost two of my spear dwarves in one of my squads, and tried to recruit new ones. The second they walked into the barracks the original dwarves challenged them in a spar and killed them instantly. Admittedly, maybe I shouldn't let them spar with steel equipment. They also attacked some of the dogs and cats that wandered into the barracks, but that was only tackling.

Also, I added [TRAINABLE_WAR] to hyenas and dingoes. do i have to make a new world to see the result of that? I thought editing creature raws worked even in the same save. They're not showing up as war trainable.

>>165074430
Dude, sparring accidents haven't been a thing for years. When did this happen to you?

>>165074549
Today. Every time I drafted someone, it'd go fine for a few minutes, then say "Recruit has been found dead" with their corpses right in the barracks

>>165075232
Does it actually say in the combat logs that they were cut down?

This never happens to me.

>>165075232
I don't know what's happening to your recruits, but it isn't from sparring. Anon is right, sparring accidents aren't a thing for many many versions. You could have dwarves sparring buck naked with adamantine weapons and they'll be "lightly tapped" by every attack and never receive even a scratch.
Besides that, recruits don't spar anyway. For a creature's profession to be "recruit" they can't have any offensive combat skills past dabbling. They won't (can't) spar before they've gotten some combat skill at least into the proficient neighborhood.
You should read your combat reports and/or build some slabs to figure out what's actually happening.

>game crashes and you lose 6 months of work
So is this a feature or what?

>>165078062
>[AUTOSAVE:SEASONAL]

>>165078062
Yup. It teaches you that many of your efforts will be destroyed by powers you cannot control, thus preparing you for the harsh reality of life.

>>165077296
>>165075736
It hasn't happened again, and it's been so long it's impossible to locate.

Another question, is clothing made of fire imp leather fire resistant?

>>165078902
Yeah, objects retain the properties of the mats they're made from. Fire imp leather is fire immune, not just resistant. Mind, it still gets hot and melt a non fire immune occupant, probably moreso than the fire alone would have since the clothing will take time to cool off after the fire/magma is no longer an issue. The clothing itself won't catch on fire, though. Unless a dragon breathes it.

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>>165078618
Phwoah.

>>165054254
Love it.

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>>165065509

SCALEBOUND WAS CANCELLED

>>165082052
>The dragon has been struck down.

Anyway, not /dfg/. Take it to /v/.

>>165082052
whatever. I always had that No Man's Sky feeling about it.

>>165082052
I saw it at E3 and it looked shitty.

So it's alright.

>>165082052
First time I've heard of it but it doesn't seem that interesting.

>>165060558
I can't speak for those, but animal men are very often aggressive, even in adv mode. I've been ambushed by many a carnivore-type, not sure about herbivores.

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>mfw Elven merchants start bitching about muh wood

>>165085341
laffed

Wait, if you get both legs fucked up in Adventure Mode, crutches don't work?

>>165085958
you can still crawl like a legless cod zombie

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The joke in this pic is that the guy is standing face to face with a fire breathing FB, in the middle of a burning inferno. The ground around the guy is all on fire. Even his clothes are on fire, although he hasn't started to take damage yet. This guy deserves a special kind of monument when he dies.

>>165085958
You should try getting your arms fucked up and all your teeth knocked out

>>165085958
Crutches don't work in both Adventure Mode and Fortress Mode if you don't have a non-fucked leg.

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>>165086950
Holy kek.

With his fucking clothes on fire, he kept blocking the beast's fire until they both tumbled into the cavern lake, effectively putting out the fire in his clothes.

The fucker WOULD drown, but now, the water around them condensates instantly due to the fire from the beast.

This fucker might actually have a chance.

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>>165087462
HE KILLED THE FUCKER.

Now, if he can just get back on dry land before the upset water engulfs him.

Pls make it lil' nigga.

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>>165085958
you need 3 crutches

>>165087648
you better pamper this guy if he makes it out

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>>165087648
>>165087736
His chances are looking grim. He's steady on his way toward dry land, but the ground is still on fire.

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>tfw no pirate kea men with keas in their shoulders riding giant keas

>>165087915
Come on axebro, you can do eeet!

>>165087049
I have fucked up hooves. I'm a goat.

>>165088595
I don't know why that made me laugh so much, like you just suddenly noticed "oh fuck, guys, I think I might... I might be a goat."

I used to have a goat actually, hilarious little dude. We had a sheet of plywood we used to close off the laundry room as a little stall for him to sleep in, which was more of a suggestion, as I remember walking in to find him standing with all four hooves lined up on top of a half inch thick sheet of wood as though he had no clue how he got up there.

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>>165087915
>>165088331
YESS YESS.

He had to wait in the water until the fire had gone out on the ground, and while he waited, the water slowly filled up. When the fire had finally gone out, the water level was already at 7/7 and he had begun to flounder helplessly.

In the end, however, he made it back on land.

I'm so fucking happy, /dfg/. I might make a drawing of this.

In the end, the only casualty was some random woodcutter (literally who) who escaped the fire by desperately climbing a fungiwood tree, as he slowly meted from his burning clothes.

>>165089425
Eyyy

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>>165087736
>you better pamper this guy if he makes it out
I made him a scholar and relieved him from his duties. When the mountainhome wants a baron, I'll recommend him.

What happens during a siege when you completely wall off/drawbridge off the entrance to your fortress?

Do the besiegers ever go away, or do they just stand around waiting for you to lower your draw bridge?

So I'm a werelizard, but my attributes are now shit, aren't you supposed to get a boost?

>>165093195
They get bored and leave eventually.

>>165093654
Yes, IIRC becoming a werebeast doubles your physical attributes.

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>>165034357
This fort was just heavily besieged. Here is our humble miner taking a wounded fellow citizen to the hospital. I am somewhat proud of the waterworks I dug out in this one (Not flowing right now because the river is frozen.)

>>165094473
It seems random though, some are lower, some are higher. Strength and Agility are down for example.

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>been moddan'
>got most of the bugs worked out
>conquered sites are still buggy
>s'all good tho
>accidentally made roaming squads of soldiers a regular feature of every town and hamlet
>not just guards "on a patrol"
>these are all "on an important mission"
>also sometimes they're cats

>>165094473
You do not recall correctly, if you're cursed by a god they give you no aging and werecurse, otherwise if you're bit it's just the werecurse, you heal but don't get anything else besides the time when you're beastmoded out.

>>165091964
Nerd stuff indeed.

>>165034357
And here we have a different fort. A dwarf was struck by a mood just as I started recording, so I followed him down to the workshop.

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>>165094968
(psst, forgot something)

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>>165094968
Forgot to upload, whoops.

>>165094876
The wiki says that transforming gives physical attribute boosts. It doesn't specify double, or any other particular amount.

>>165094806
Are you looking at your attributes after transforming? When you're transformed you're a different race, and your attributes are described according to racial average for a werelizard rather than whatever race you began as. So maybe you're just weak for a werelizard.

>>165095139
Someone from your hometown joined the army/bandits/refugee band?

>>165089425
can somebody screencap all 4 posts so I can asociate it with your future drawing?

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>>165096726
They are part of a roaming squad of soldiers who know me so they're friendly (and several of them are cats, plus I think I saw a horse in the other tent?) but I don't think they're hearthpersons so it's pretty fucking weird.

>>165096690
The wiki is wrong, just checked this one, it's the werehyena transformation, if there were boosts it would say stuff like:
creature_interaction_effect_phys_att_changest like it does under the vampire interactions.