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Is there a point in getting archers as WE?

As Orion you get dirt cheap Wild Riders and with a bit of effort you can have them recruited with silver upgrades.

They are fast, vanguard, cheap to get and maintain and get really great with hero skills directed for them.

I got curious as to how much better Demigryphs are than Reiksguard, so I did a bit of preliminary testing. In all 3 tests, the army composition was 1 lord and 2 units, with the lord mounted but with no abilities. These tests should not be considered conclusive, and are not entirely indicitive of how they would perform under normal circumstances. In the next day or two, I'm planning on playing an Empire campaign (ultra unit size) and bringing 2 units of both Reiksguard and Demigryph knights in 2 armies. One buffed for Reiksguard, one buffed for Demigryphs. I'm not including Halberd Demigryphs because they fill a different role (anti-large cav) than either of the two units in question (shock cavalry). If there is anything I should keep in mind going forward, please bring it to my attention. And yes, this is all pre-typed.

GET OUT ME 'EAD

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>>164916882
The first thing I would like to bring up is the cost of the units in question, and how much one would get for the price tag. In custom battles, Reiksguard are 1200 points and Demigryph Knights are 1500 points. In the grand campaign, Reiksguard have an upkeep of 300 gold per turn (gpt), and Demigryph Knights have an upkeep of 375 gpt. At this point, it can be determined that Reiksguard are cheaper than Demigryph Knights. However, Demigryph Knights have better stats across the board (pic related, and next pic for comparison) without any tech, charge bonus (CB), health (HP), and unit size excepting. At a glance, Demigryphs are objectively superior. For the sake of being thorough, the first test consisted of an Empire General on a barded warhorse with no abilities, and 2 Reiksguard/Demigryph Knights charging into each other and watching who walked away. Neither group had promotions. 5 trials were run on normal battle difficulty, on subterranean maps to avoid hills. with the following results:
1. Attacking Demigryphs, 3 losses
2. Attacking Demigryphs, 5 losses
3. Attacking Demigryphs, 8 losses
4. Defending Demigryphs, 1 loss
5. Defending Demigryphs, 6 losses
The determining factor in how many Demigryphs are taken down was whether or not the AI tried to counter charge the Demis. The Reiksguard have a slightly better CB, but the AI would often try to avoid or soften the Demigryph charge, which resulted in worse damage to the Reiksguard. To summarize; Reiksguard cannot beat Demigryph Knights in a straight fight, and if Reiksguard must face them, it is better to charge than to eat a charge. Nothing we didn't already know, so we're going into a more important test.

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>>164916976
For the second test, an Empire Lord on a barded warhorse, one unit of Reiksguard, and one unit of Demigryph Knights will be charging unarmored enemies (four units of Orc Boys, led by a Night Goblin Warboss on a Squig). This test will be conducted to see how many kills each unit will rack up. 3 tests as attackers, 3 tests as defenders with unskilled lords for all 6 tests, which will take place on the "Glacial Lake" land battle map. Demigryphs will be referred to as DK, and Reiksguard will be referred to as RG.
1.RG 192, DK 168. RG in better condition, both cycled.
2.RG 182, DK 227. DK in better condition, DK cycled.
3.RG 107, DK 235. RG/DK about even, RG cycled.
4.RG 89, DK 162. DK in better condition, both cycled.
5.RG 107, DK 56. DK in better condition, DK cycled.
6.RG 56, DK 154. RG in better condition, RG cycled.
The results got me curious, so I tried a 7th battle where neither unit was cycled on attack.
7.RG 113, DK 167. DK in better condition
I admit that my inexperience in handling cavalry may have affected the results, but I believe that the test can still return convincing results. As a side note, the Night Goblin Warboss on a squig will usually outclass the Empire General(barded warhorse), as in all 7 trials the Warboss beat the General soundly, and a potion of toughness had to be employed to hold the Warboss in place long enough to prevent him from skewing results.

>>164916805
Do you want archers or not?

>>164916882
Yes Demigryphs shit on Reiksguard. I hate Demigryphs.

Halber Demigryphs are still probably better shock cav than Reiksguard.

>>164917054
For the third test, a similar army composition to the second test will be deployed against a necromancer and two grave guards. This will be testing the Reiksguard and Demigryph Knights against armored targets, as Black Orcs killed the Reiksguard and the general dying to the Night Goblin Warboss would then cause the Demigryph units to rout. Other than the change in targets, this test is similar to the second test in all regards (but without the potion, since the Necromancer can't beat the General, and only 2 units of Grave Guard). In an attempt to ensure similar conditions, the trails will not include cycle charging, since it skewed results in the second test. I may revisit the second and third preliminary tests at the end of campaign testing, or if I find someone willing to apply their experience in cav management to test what's better at killing defenseless gobbos/zombies.
1.RG 33, DK 75
2.RG 44, DK 94
3.RG 29, DK 78
4.RG 57, DK 57
5.RG 59, DK 135
6.RG 35, DK 123
Trial 4 is an outlier, since the Demigryph Knights hit the edge of the Grave Guard, so they didn't have more than 8 Knights actually swinging at once. To summarize the results of this test: AP units are better at killing armored targets than units that aren't AP. Shocking, I know.

>>164916297
I'll ask this again in the new thread.
>>164916509
I'll bear both of those in mind, but I don't think I've played enough Attila to be ready for an overhaul.

>>164917126
So to conclude preliminary testing: the Demigryph Knights appear to be all around better than Reiksguard, but there's a shot that Reiksguard are more cost efficient than Demigryph Knights against Greenskins and Vampire Cunts (however distant), so I will go ahead with the Grand Campaign testing. I plan on using mods, but nothing that will directly impact the stats or performance of the units in question. However, I'll list them so somebody can point out whether or not I've overlooked something.
10 building slots - All Province Capitals
All Tabletop Lords
Better Camera Mod
Building the Empire
Extra Lord Levels Look, I just don't want to spend 50 turns leveling up two dudes when I only need them for their red tree.
Imperial Foot Sue me, but I don't trust Swordsmen late game, and a Greatsword line is asking to get raped by missiles.
Imperial Taxes and Technology
Mogar's Militias
I'm willing to admit that I may or may not be a shitter, but that's why I posted the list of mods I'm using. If there's anything I should add in or take out, I'm open to suggestions, but I'm hesitant to mess with combat stats with mods. Should I grab anything to deal with Welves, or just deal with them early/mid game instead of Sylvania? I like the Reiksguard in lore, and I want them to be relevant as more than a stepping stone towards Demigryphs, which is why I started testing to begin with.

>>164916882
I wonder which are better at dealing with low tier infantry, Reiksgaurd have more numbers and armor piercing is not needed against such units.

But demi cause fear or terror, but I alsways find them lackluster as a hammer.

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>>164915994
>>164916472
whole heartedly agree

>>164916976
>>164917054
>>164917126
>>164917185
I didn't read all that stuff you just wrote, but reiksgard are better as a traditional shock cav unit vs infantry, as their charge bonus + number of models means that they deliver more damage vs infantry when charging, which is the role they should be used in instead of what you seem to have done in just having them straight up engage an enemy unit

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Can you wait with charging or will they instantly spot you?

>>164917107
I've noticed that halberd demigryphs have less survivability than normal demigryph knights, and the lack of a shield makes them susceptible to missile fire. They also have less charge bonus, so the damage on initial charge almost evens out because of the unit size difference.

>>164917431
The charge bonus and increased damage of the demigryph knights sets the charge in favor of the demigryphs, from what I can tell. The reiksguard sent more people flying, but the demigryphs killed more people in the charge. The demigryphs are also faster, so they can get where they need to be quicker.

>>164917176

I haven't found many mods for Attila I'd really like to use except these.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685074988
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685074741

Those 2 are skill tree overhauls but it can be pretty unbalanced. I made my own version of it to make it less OP. I hated the vanilla Attila skill trees and found them incredibly boring.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=537669776

Garrisons in Attila are pretty much non existent so this mod helps with that. Forces you to do actual battles instead of auto resolving every settlement fight. There's a 2x version and others, too.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=619994867

Not really a mod but shows some hidden unit stats like rate of fire on archers.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=604078278

Fixes the items that are supposed to give +X unit experience on recruit so they now actually do something. Can be seen as OP but units lose XP very quickly on defeat on Attila so it evens out.

>>164917107
>Do you want archers or not?
Question is, why get them...

Playing with Orion and grabbing all important tech so far have left me in a position where I can get 9 units recruited on global, Wild Riders take one turn and are under 100g to maintain + my second army guy has 19 Wild Riders in his army for ZERO maintaining cost due to his position on the council.They are great on all fields and they don't have ammo issues.

Literally, why have archers when you can catch up to any unit with Wild Riders + movement bonus.

I just use a few fire arrows archers to fuck over regen and that's like 2-3 per army.

>>164917574
Why do you not try with the mid that makes all units lords, so that you have replicatable results??

Just have a demi as a Lord vs different unit types, and do the same for the RG.

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>>164916714
>talking shit about [Embed] threads

>>164917642
>to fuck over regen
There you go then.

The question of why get them is something only you can answer. Yeah sure all wild riders is probably adequate. Go nuts. Unless you want archers as well. Then get some archers.

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dance-off, bro!

>>164917881

I made the thread m8

>>164917725
I'm not sure what modifiers having a unit as a lord give (for example, the "lord is nearby" morale buff), so I didn't want to risk it. I tested both units at the same time at first so one could serve as an anvil for the unit that was cycle charging, but I realized that I had forgotten how to efficiently cycle charge, as the results for the second test may or may not show. Which is why I'm doing a campaign, to try and get a wider sample size.

Warhammer trivia

>Who originally had the Warhammer the setting is named after?

>Name several Chaos deities

>How did the Ogres come to worship their god?

>Why would the Empire's current form of religion be considered heresy by Sigmar?

>Which of the Greenskin races are the most backstabbing?

>What great city did Arkhan raze?

>Who taught the Dwarfs runemagic?

>What is the biggest and only Elven city that allows non-Elfs?

>How far do the Skaven tunnels stretch, and where do they not go?

>Which species inhabited the primordial Warhammer planet before the Old Ones arrived?

>What is the special relationship between Dwarfs, Elfs, Giants, Halflings, Humans, and Ogres?

>How did the Chaos Dwarfs help found the Empire?

>>164917890
I think you're missing the point. It's bad game design if you can spam a powerful until, have low cost of maintaining and just swarm over everything with a few waves of charge.

Having to mix and match your army would be better. HAVING TO, being forced to do so.

As a side note, having just WR armies and charging with some micro is fuuun as fuck.

>>164917996
I needed an excuse to post my funny screenshot

>>164917642
That sounds really fucking boring. Wild Riders are a cool unit, but I like to see my eagles fucking people up, and my treeman smashing in the face of some poor enemy lord. I like seeing the hail of magic arrows pelting into the enemy from a mile away out of the edge of the forest. I feel like unless you're doing some sort of challenge run, only going for the most cost effective unit really drains some of the fun out of Total War games.

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I sure wish the gaijin had given us bayonets right about now

>>164918076
What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have brain damage?

>>164918097
What stops you just using tagmata cav in atilla or oathsworn in Rome 2.

You can spam any elite unit in any total war game and win, because the ai never spends that much money on an army.

Chaos is the worst for it just spam Chosen, that is all the mid - end game is and nothing at all can stop you.

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>all those dead cultures and languages from antiquity never to come back.

Now everyone's either Romance or Arab.

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G O B L I N S

>>164918381
I could ask you the same thing considering your response

>>164918097
It's inescapable game design, enough synergies for enough things exist that there will always be one thing you can spam over others that will be more effective than other options. In singleplayer.

In multiplayer unit price doesn't get fucked with so that's fine.

>>164918076
>>>/tg/warhammer

alright folks, beginning an all-traditional fots campaign with the aizu, anything I should know?

I have already conquered the province you start out at war with, but I'm thinking of doubling back north to capture the buddhist shrine province just north of your capital for the charge bonus

>>164918398
>no sci-fi galaxy colonization, where each colony ship is mindwiped and instead indoctrinated with a dead culture for each planet

how do you disengage cavalry without suffering major losses? you get a deep charge and they end up getting stuck in and cant disengage without taking a lot of damage

>>164918825
>ywn live on the alani planet, ridding your steed through the great plains of grass covering the surface whilst talking to your lover in an indo-european language before making sweet love under the stars

feels bad man

>>164919018
I wonder why people like the Alani so much.
Is it that they're the only non-malevolent horsefuckers?

>>164918076
>Sigmar
>Tzeench, Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Malal, Great Horned Rat
>They got hungry
>He doesn't want to be worshipped?
>Night Goblins?
>Khemri? I don't know
>Grungni?
>I don't remember much about the High Elves
>Skaven?
>Old Ones, the most generic fucking name in fantasy
>I don't know
>Can't remember

I only answered this because it's 4am and I can't sleep.

Who would win?
Hannibal or Ceaser?

>>164917480
>100 bestigors per regiment
>15 minotaurs per regiment
>gay chevron mod

is this some gay radious mod fuck off idiot

movin to this thread then

Should I play Napoopan or Empire? Also what mods to get?

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Is this just the difficulty I'm on or what, because this is ridiculous
I didn't even have a chance

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>>164919485
Play the better of two games.

>>164919629
Which would be?

>>164919709

fall of the samurai

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>>164919762

>>164918825
I'm imagining space colonisation where each country gets their own planet and we get New Constantinople and each culture blossoms in their own world.

Harsh reality is the only colonies will be from nations that can afford space flight and have the right launch sites to do it from. I can't wait to visit New New York!

>>164919547
fots I find its way better to turtle for a while and just research stuff and try not to get involved in any wars. You can get a decent warchest up, have way better stuff than your enemies, and they waste gold upgrading stuff for you to just come in and take it. if you wait like 20 turns or so, they all have upgraded the fortress pretty nicely and it saves you a bunch of money.

also navies are the most important thing in this game, lone bombarding ships will absolutely wreck your economy and trade routes, so always try to get a good blockade going and never choose the american mission when you aren't right next to it and can defend it.

>>164919396
Nah, it's SFO with skulls for chevron

No need to get mad

>>164919709
The image I posted.

is the last roman fun

>>164920068
I haven't played it but Roman horde sounds fun.
And your character is based. If you can stand being a cuck.

Would a Witcher: Total War work well? Several established regions and factions with a Hun like invasion from the South endgame.

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>>164918825
Heh, I've always imagined a planet dominated by the Greco-Roman culture.

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Has anyone done this?

>>164920203

>If you can stand being a cuck

t. Procopius

>>164920582
It would be a pretty small faction roster, and a lot of embellishment would be needed unit wise.

>>164920582

There arent that many factions to play as and it would feel just like Medieval 2 but with some mages here and there

>>164920035
and mods?

>>164920068
Roman hordes are fun, but you have to be everywhere at once if you want to complete all the objectives

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>>164920619
Playing Unreal Tournament has gotten Space-Egyptians into my head far before ancient aliens and stuff. So that's my top pick.

Space-oriental is pretty cool too.

I had a dream once, It was this cool binary planet system, I caught a ferry straight up into the air and landed on the other planet.
Landed in this gargantuan palace with 100 meter tall jade pillars and shit. Got met at the imperial spacedock by the Empress herself, who apparently I knew.
She was some 11/10 half-asian dealio.
She practically dragged me into the bedroom.
I told her to slow the fuck down so I could look around and appreciate the architecture, which I did so until I woke up.

>>164920746
>>164920892
Monsters, Skellige, Nilfgaard, The Northern Kingdoms, Kovir & Poviss, Dol Blathanna, Mahakam, Wild Hunt invasions?

I'm a warhammer baby about to start R2
What am I in for lads?

>>164921330
Far less satisfying cavalry.
Far more satisfying infantry.
Romans.

Who are you going to play?

>>164921330
A shit UI

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>>164921330

>>164921330

Building choices actually mattering instead of 'do i make money or units here'

PIKES

Romans and carthage dying by turn 30

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>>164916543
Anyone got the Attila roll chart? I want to play Warhammer but the broken Wood Elves just take all the fun out of it

how did the 'skaven are just a myth' meme come about?

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>play syracuse
>carthage declares on me turn 1

>>164920960
>girl begging for sex
>would rather go look at culture and cool buildings and shit
sounds like we have a true understander right here

>>164921330
>>164921406
>>164921513
I personally find the cavalry much more satisfying in Rome 2, but the cav in Rome 1 is exponentially more satisfying than that even.
Infantry thing is correct
One of the coolest timeframes
>PIKES
This cannot be overstated, pikes are ridiculous

Since you haven't played the old TW games, you're in for a treat with this one

BRETONNIA WHEN?

How much longer until I can slay knaves in the name of the Lady?

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>>164920960

tfw you pass /tg/ membership test ...

>>164921930
The fact that they're not in the game at all, and often don't show up for long periods in the history of the world despite pretty much being the ultimate evil if Chaos didn't get death-avoiding mary sues.

The lore explanation is that they send rat ninjas and shit to kill witnesses and burn records and all sorts of shit to forget that they exist.

So it's a bit of a theme of their lore. But obviously those tactics are more reasonable against humans, stunties are always getting their shit stomped by rats so they obviously don't forget the Skaven exist.

So it's a half lore half developer meme.

>>164921932
You're gonna need more mirrors for this

>>164921513
Building taxes aren't all that thrilling anon. Even in Attila its just a spreadsheet of make the numbers net +. Once you do arithmetic or google its just a starcraft build order. Always suprised me how -1 squalor lead to bubonic plauge after a turn.

SKAVEN WHEN?
literally the coolest faction second only to Tomb Kangz

>>164921406
I want to burn down carthage and become Pharoh as a roman.

>>164922597
>implying man-sized rats are a real thing

jesus man, I knew peasants were retarded, but this is brettonian-level stupidity. Get your shit together citizen - what are you an averlander?

>>164922597
Second to KANGZ and Frogs.

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>vandals

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these guys any good?

>>164923408
Oh man I really hated that campaign. Get ready for the ai to turn up the heat seeking doomstacks to 11

Are there any mods that add more provinces to either Empire or Napoleon?
That is by far the biggest downfall of either game. Much more so Empire though.

>>164923614
Yari Ki are pretty fast shock cav that will kill enemy cav too. I use them and can't find a reason not to.

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>>164923614
>this fucking comp

>>164923857
>attacking
Have fun bucko

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>>164923902
didn't cap post battle screen, but here are the results

wooden cannons are shite

>>164924542
Line infantry and hella cannons and you took that few losses?
How is that even possible? Did your cav do most of the work or what?

>>164924709
>raining
>cav push flanks and hit cannons, cause ai to reform line and attempt to counter cav
>yari kachi frontline advances during this confusion
>enemy barely gets any time to shoot thanks to rapid advance
>cav memes all over unsupported line infantry
>levy spears shove their big peasant yari down general's throat

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>set up pikeman to block a street
>dudes just press up against a wall and slip past it
I don't know how the AI can do these things but fuck up in other fucking rudimentary ways

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been a bit since I posted screenshots.

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>>164925045

>>164925018
you need to go wider - typically the game will let you drag a formation as wide as possible before freaking out - you need to make the formation as wide as the game lets you

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>>164925181
I keep forgetting to turn off my recording software.

>autoresolve a battle
>heroic victory
jesus christ why would I ever NOT pick this?

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>>164925339

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>>164925487

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>>164925339
thanks for the new wallpaper, have my best doom diver screen as a meager trade.

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>>164925647
This is what happens when I can't wait for siege towers to be built.

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>>164925827
>>164925820
ty, saved. sorry about the framerate counter.

>Dei 1.2
>playing as new Persian faction
>going to invade parthava send agent to cause rebellions
>parthava keeps gifting me more and more money

You can't buy me off. That won't save you.

>>164926015
oh thats also a nice one, and no worries I can edit it out pretty easily.

>>164925827
Why do you need to take down walls when your soldiers can create ladders out of nothing on the spot and your general can take down a gate? Sounds like unnecessary money spent on repa-
oh wait.

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post people getting rekt

>>164926015
I triple your framerate and im on really good settings but screenshots are hot garbage. Everytime.

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>>164926105
I bought cannons and sat on my ass for two turns for them. I'm using them.

>"Save me, Gobbo archers!!"

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>Gritsnik, realizing da scrap wasn't going the goblins way, turns on his fellows in the hopes tha the crazed Stunties don't notice.

>>164925827
>taking back rightful dawi clay
>greenskins forcing you to break down beautiful dawi walls to get inside

strike a grudge, add a grudge, the cycle never ends

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>>164926229

volley guns or rocket blasters for empire armies?

>>164926105
Because using ladders makes your troops Exhausted. Beyond that, they get up top piecemeal. The two factors combined means that even Chosen can take casualties from low tier infantry, and if the walls are defended by elite troops, you're taking massive losses or even failing to make headway.

Never use ladders. Either do what >>164925827 does or wait for the siege equipment, because it's almost never worth it to use ladders.

>>164926774
depends on who you're facing. Helstorm Rocket batteries are probably better.

But a volley gun is better against chaos and dwarves.

>>164926774
Rockets can't hit shit and quickly becomes a liability to protect rather than an asset to win. Volley guns at least rip through armored shit, better against infantry.

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Is there such a thing as too much charge bonus?

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>>164926229

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>want to play on higher difficulty but with battle difficulty turned down to normal
>find out morale bonus AI gets can't be controlled by battle difficulty setting
What the fuck is CA thinking?
Should I just man up and play on very hard battle difficulty? How much difference does it make anyway?

>>164926774
4 hellstorm rockets make all sieges extremely easy, and are fun to watch, and can really really burn those tree lovers in athel loren, as well as doing a decent job of thinning out some vampire infantry, but hellblasters can ruin anything it can shoot 2 volleys at.

>>164927124
very hard battle difficulty is what is used on legendary campaign difficulty

>>164927238
I know. I want to play VH/N but can't because for some stupid reason AI morale bonus is tied to campaign difficulty. Why is it like this, it doesn't make any sense.

why doesn't total war have realistic movement ranges. it shouldn't take 5 months to sail from one end of japan to the other in a steamship.

>>164924709
It's levy infantry and canons that have like 5 ammo and deal no damage. Sneeze in their general direction and they'll break

>>164927672
That sounds like fun. Let's siege a city for 10 years too.

>>164927763
But that happens though. Ottomans sieged a Venetian fortress on Crete for 25 years.

>>164927931
>venetian
That was rightful templar clay

>>164927424
It is bugged at the moment.
Battle difficulty slider just doesn't function.

Just stomped the eye for an eye campaign, getting ready to start the Season of Revelation, any advice I should take transitioning from beast-men to wood elves? So far it looks like there's a lot of other wood elf factions, which makes me think diplomacy is going to be difficult, and the whole amber resource thing is going to be a pain in the ass.

>>164927931
You asked: "why doesn't total war have realistic movement ranges?"

I gave you a sarcastic answer insinuating that waiting so long for anything to be accomplished would lead to a stale game experience. I really hated replacing all my generals half way through early/mid/late game phases.

>>164928040
Ranged units are goat, you can kite the ai pretty easily with your wild riders, glade guard are fine if you're tree hitler. Every time you upgrade the oak multiple beastmen stacks spawn.

>>164928025
>crete
You're thinking of the knights of st john

>>164928040
amber isn't a problem in season of revelation, as the buildings don't take up amber unlike in the grand campaign

>>164928127
but I want movement ranges to be larger, that has nothing to do with sieges, and it would only make things go faster wouldn't it? it makes no sense that an army can't travel across italy in a year in rome 2, like the movement ranges make things so much slower and stale.

>>164928040
That many wood elf neighbours is really annoying. The campaign in general is really annoying.

DO NOT UPGRADE THE OAK OF AGES
until you are very confident in your strength.

The first 10-20 turns can be 'hard', you want to build an army of generic frontline(dryads or eternal guard), just enough to hold the enemy, and pour the rest into glade guard.
Beat enemies by focus firing on the battle map.

Get like three settlements or so. Do not build any recruitment buildings. Build the big money making building, and the wine building that multiplies the money making building in adjacent provinces.
Once you have three of each you're respectably on your way towards infinite money and you just blitz the rest of the map and do what you want.
Expanding outside of Athel Loren is relatively pointless, and the +relationship techs will help you farm amber from the brets if you really need it. Though you don't really need any amber for anything except the oak of ages.
Then just blitz through the Oak of ages(might have to genocide the main beastmen faction a few times inbetween to get the next stage to trigger) and do the silver spire battle and you're done. Said battle has you kill morghur, who has 99% physical resistance for 60 seconds followed by 20 seconds of invulnerability.
I just had my main army handle the adds while durthu and three other trees smacked morghur around.

All in all it's really tedious and not very fun.

>>164928490
The movement is about as balanced in regards for gameplay as is possible. If you could sail across nippon in one turn, then as soon as you become faction leader every single enemy would land two doomstacks on your capital.

>>164928490
Because talking stacks to the other side of the campaign map can't be too easy.

Game mechanics are usually more important.

>>164928490
It's about balance and giving the player and AI time and the ability to react to incoming enemies. Otherwise you could just waltz around enemies and take undefended provinces. The game is already bad enough with forced march, imagine the ability to move twice as far as that and attack things. CA would need to completely rework the way turns and zones of control work to allow for it

>>164928603
wouldn't that be easy to combat by making an army/navy's zone of control bigger, focusing things more on chokepoints than sieges?

I might be being autistic, but it always annoys me how little I can move my armies around, especially if I have a really nice province developed for producing elite upgraded armies but it takes a decade to move them over the alps. I feel like it would be more fun to have to post armies in chokepoints and maybe have quick reaction armies that can reinforce multiple towns if necessary.

>>164928902
I feel more turns per year settings are more reasonable for the immersion of how long it takes to move things. Zone of control is pretty annoying how it is at the moment.
Going by timescale recruit is another thing that should take a lot longer.

>>164929087
why do you think zone of control is annoying?
my only problem is how annoying it can be to try to attack what you want in them, and feel like an attack move should ignore zones of control, because if you are walking past an army to attack one "behind" it, you are having the disadvantage of having the reinforcing army come in behind you.

I feel like any problems with zone of control being bigger could be solved by just having the reinforcing army come in later depending on the distance it was from the battle in the campaign map, so if it was at the very edge of the map, you wouldn't get the reinforcements for 10 minutes or so.

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>>164929168
& after

>>164928127
Im another guy

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Rejoice! For a Knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

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>>164929774
>one more month
I NEED IT NOW
I NEED TO FIGHT FOR ZE LADY

>>164929295
I kept rejecting the foreign powers and now I don't get events what do

So was anon just lying about there being a mod that fixes Wood Elf confederation? When asked for the name he never replied.

>>164930250
Search the workshop for confederation

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>>164929774

tfw when Brettonian conscripts get charged by a bunch of Gors:

>no weapon
>no helmet
>no armor
cuz cheapskate Knight of Brettonia provides only shields

>>164930273
I see one for disabling wood elf confederation but he also mentioned they would be more defensive.

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>mfw it's stabby time

>>164931005
Why don't you stab yourself if you like it so much.

Why do I love Durthu so much?

>>164930161
Idk if you get unlimited events, my first time in fots i rejected the nation I wanted and then eventually got another

>>164930373
I've used that mod and it hamstrings them real nice. Each faction tends to build one stack each and sit around their city. They'll take one or two settlements from the Brets, that's about it.

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>>164931312
Why do I love Durthu so much?
It's pretty simple when I think about it.
Durthu isn't just the best genocidal maniac in the Warhammer world, he might just be the greatest mass murderer of all time.
Just imaging him rampaging through Bretonnia, the wind in his foliage, his mighty roots below him.
As he massacres through the Grey Mountains, the Dwarfs wet themselves in panic.
They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold in Black Craig under the the name of "Dwarf-away"
The very nature of Durthu is genocide.
Could he be playing a bloodier game than even his creator realizes?
The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as morals and ethics, and has free will to kill whatever he sees fit.
However, Durthu is filled with such hatred, such endless madness that he does not even use these powers.
Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the Durthu is not one that is easily healed.
Durthu is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to kill within the preordained boundaries of his world.
Durthu is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true killing and madness.
Observe his vengeful smile, his blood-drenched branches, his burning harted, and most importantly, his eyes.
His eyes, like pools of topaz, provide the only glimpse into the true madness of Durthu. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone dead in the attempt.
Durthu is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that makes the Warhammer world grimdark.
Without Durthu, the entire Warhammer world, the entire Games Workshop as we know it would still be alive.
Dwarfs would stop dying without Durthu, Bretonnia would become a land of wealth and freedom, and trees would burn without his mad gaze.
These are just of a few of the reasons why I like Durthu so much.

any mods to make the enemy AI more agressive in warhammer? they never attack unless they have a 3/4 power balance in their favor.

>>164931951
Thank you, Dahnald. Thank you.

if they do a total war: victoria as the next historical, how do you want them to do the map, I'd like to see a pretty detailed map of the world, and the british empire starts at its peak, and a bunch of factions start off as rebel "hordes" with the goal of taking back the country from British influence.

>>164931951
out-fucking-standing anon

any dawi got grombrindal codes?

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>>164932523

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>>164926229
oh fug

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>go to war with dwarfs
>4 full stacks with lvl 25 legendary lords appear out of the fog and start destroying my shit

God, this is fucking infuriating and it happens every time no matter what race you play as

This time I'm greenskins and it's not even turn 100 but they have 3 doomstacks running around with 2 ally stacks, this is fucking ridiculous, it's ruining my campaign

What is the best way to counter chaos hounds and direwolves and such?

if I get this right
spear units are mostly good for defending
axe units are good for killing
sword units are good for waste of space?

>>164933854

what game?

axes > swords > spears > cavalry > axes, in terms of melee units

>>164933938
attila

>>164934056

yea, you pretty much got it right then, swords and axes can be interchangeable as they do generally the same role but you don't wanna put your swords vs their axes

>>164933854
Mostly depends on a units stats honestly.

But pretty much Spears are your anti cav and can hold a line with the right abilities/if they have shield wall.

But they fall apart to swords who are your bulk all around good infantry units. They who you want for your main line as they can handle anyhting iwht the right support. (unless they're Nordic Band in which case just don't.)

Stuff like Axes or two handed weapons are great for killing power and breaking strong armor/defense units. But they generally lack armor or shields so they eat shit to ranged fire.

>>164933602
Ranged attacks. They have no armour.

>>164933854
If you're referring to Warhammer, no. It's much more simple.

>anything with anti-large is good at killing horses and up
>anything without it is good at killing infantry and characters

Attila, however, is correct.

>axes have high attack and armor piercing damage, but typically lower defensive stats, intended to be super aggressive
>swords have respectable damage and typically much higher defensive stats, typically a jack of all trades unit
>spears are almost purely defensive with huge armour and shields, intended to stand still and take hits

>>164933602
Either ranged units or anything with decent armor. I've found sword units do good enough against them.

>>164933602
Ranged or any dedicated melee unit

Is there a mod that has playable kislev yet?

>>164935005
Yes, but you don't want it.

Please, trust me. Do not try to find it.

>>164934880
Sword units are usually those with impulse javelins and are often the elites though

how the FUCK do you deal with Epirus as Rome in DeI 1.2

>>164926638
can you explain the grudge meme
i dont know anything about warhammer

>>164935282
but after your gothic warband throws those javelins they kind of suck with their no ap damage

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>>164935513
>Gothic warband
>suck

>>164929774
>>164930007
why did games workshop kill best nation, bros?
>tfw cant even buy any more brettonians for collection's sake

>>164935576
I dunno man. I'll never forgive them for their kangslaying.

>>164935282
Yes, but they still don't kill stuff as fast as axes do. Only the super top tier, like Godansmen or Sahnegohrim, have comparable AP damage.

as chaos, is it any idea to awaken the tribes or is it gonna start a norscan tribes circle jerk?

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>>164935513

>>164936161
You spend a few turns exterminating and then awakening the Baersonlings in order to unlock Sigvald, but beyond that it sadly isn't worth the time and effort. You're better served by allying with the Skaeling and helping them conquer the entirety of Norsca.

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>Total War AI cheats incessantly
>Doesn't even try to hide it; almost flaunting it at times
>Try to point this out
>Total War fanboys will either try to pretend that it doesn't happen or that a handful of pros the games have completely make up for numerous shortcomings
>Sega and Creative Assembly release buggy games
>Patch them up to a point
>Stop patching them shortly after new release
>Previous title still has bugs and glitches unaddressed
>Support has now moved completely off of broken title to give limited support for a new title until the next release
>Total War fans will defend this

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Do these tower do anything? Because they aren't.

>>164937141
Every AI cheats you mongrel. There is nothing to defend.

>>164937175
They only fire when you have a unit standing in the control zone on the wall directly behind the tower in question. It's why you always load up the wall with as many bodies as physically possible, to keep the towers firing for as long as you can.

>>164937284
Are they cannons or just handguns?

>>164937175
They should yeah, right now some of the siege maps are bugged and the towers wont shoot for some reason.

>>164937317

It depends on the settlement.

Minor settlement with walls and Prov Cap with no wall building - basic arrows
Level 1 walls - something stronger
Level 2 - even stronger
Level 3 - strongest, usually AOE too

>>164921684
They really do need to do something about them. The confederation shit is a joke and every game turns into Welf vs The World if they don't somehow get smothered in the crib.

>>164918298
>he doesnt use gook's mod

>>164919913
why not americans?

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>>164923241
You doubt me sir? I'm a humble man from the heart of Ostland and a sergeant as seasoned as they come, I seen 'em.

>>164935005
Should I post the bears?

>>164937643
Kruber only served in Ostland, he's from Ubersreik.

>>164937870
Fuuuuck.

I took his stripes at face value.

>>164937141
As the other anon said, AI always cheats, except when it doesn't and is piss easy. Just look up the bonuses other games give AI on various difficulties. It's the same deal with Total War. Personally, I play hard or very hard campaign and normal battles.

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>welfs confederate the other welfs in a 1-2-3 turn punch

>>164937995
Yeah, Bardin asks him about it in game. It's just where he gets PTSD and becomes an alcoholic from watching his entire regiment get killed by a necromancer after heroically holding the line. One of his men gave their life to push Kruber out of the way.

>>164935513
Lol

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>>164921684
Rollan

>>164921684
There's a mod to fix it though

>>164938620
pls save me from this Dei campaign and give me Tanukis or something fun

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>>164918298
But they have! they're actually in the game but never used

>>164938652
People keep saying that but nobody posts a link. Starting to suspect it's as fake as these rumours about man sized ratmen

>>164938241
durthu and orion comin for you next, boy

>>164918076
That's Warhammer relevant but not Total War: Warhammer relevant, please go back to >>>/tg/

>>164926774
Helstorms against low armoured factions like Greenskins and Elves, Helblaster against higly armoured units.

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>>164938737

>>164938620
Rerollan. Just did a migration campaign

>>164938737
I think this is the one.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=828985686&searchtext=wood+campaign

How come more than 1v1 stack army battles aren't fun?

>>164939131
god damn it

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So these guys are sort of limited in their play area right? You're nto really suppose to leave eight peaks?

>>164939408
Well it's more you need to get to eight peaks and keep it to remove that +50% upkeep.

But you can either ignore that or once you have eight peaks just go off and do what ever.

>>164938713
MODS
O
D
S

>>164938620
As if I have balls to play romes, give me something else

>>164939227
because the game is balanced for 1vs1

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>Gibbons Archers

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>>164939705
Y E S
E
S

>>164939227
To much micro, and units don't hold formation.

I miss the battle lines of Rome and Attila when I play Warhammer.

>>164939947
every time I play attila Im afraid that my general will drop dead to random arrow

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>who the fuck is this guy lmao
>iunno some italian fuccboi

>>164939227
Armies are too big and you can't manage it all without having to play on slow mo or with pausing.

Plus given how the campaign AI likes to work/build armies, it's generally either vastly outnumbering you or made up of bad/cheesy unit spam because it wont attack unless the auto resolve is in it's favor. Which generally means the fight is going to be bullshit and you're better off just not playing it out because you wont win.

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who else ~wish TW shitpacker was never made~ here?

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Any tips for a Chaos campaign?
Are there some must-have mods?
Should I destroy all Norscan tribes or awaken them as my vassals?
Marauders are garbage units, so did I do right by going straight for Chaos Warriors?

I already tried one, but it came bullshit very quickly. Not in terms of difficulty, but anti-fun to play.

>>164940491
>but it came bullshit very quickly. Not in terms of difficulty, but anti-fun to play.

I'm so sorry anon but that doesn't really go away...

As for mods, Chaos Divided is the only major chaos mod out.

>>164938620
Oh yeah

>>164940491
>Any tips for a Chaos campaign?

don't do one

>Are there some must-have mods?

chaos divided if you wanna break up the monotony

>Should I destroy all Norscan tribes or awaken them as my vassals?


awakening is more trouble than its worth, just help skaeling OR varg in destroying the other and ally with the survivor.

>Marauders are garbage units, so did I do right by going straight for Chaos Warriors?

no, warriors and chosen cost too much. use marauders until you have many 10s of thousands.

>but anti-fun to play

play something else. you will feel the same for the majority of this campaign.

>>164940491
>Any tips for a Chaos campaign?
Wait until the Old World edition and hope that CA makes the campaign fun

>Are there some must-have mods?
Growth Technology
Better Chaos campaign LITE
Chaos Rifts spread corruption
Chaos Cosmetics

>Should I destroy all Norscan tribes or awaken them as my vassals?
I'd just ignore them but if you want to rampage through Norsca then try to get one giant awakened tribe instead of more smaller ones (they'll eventually wage war against another)

>Marauders are garbage units, so did I do right by going straight for Chaos Warriors?
Yes, demolish the Marauder building so you get the Chaos Warriors building earlier

Can high quality rigs run R2 with say, 4 fullstacks on the field?

I have a crap toaster, and with everything lowered to the absolute bottom it lags like a mother fucker if there more than 2 full stacks.

>>164940773
Yeah, it drops frames for me, but it's still playable just fine.
TW games are incredibly CPU intensive due to the high unit numbers, so investing in an i7 is definitely worth considering.

>Instant quest battles

I should have installed this months ago (if it was even out by then) these terrible ministeps of moving an agent half way across the world and then get an alliance with a faction that is no longer on the map was infuriating.

>>164940491
How is it anti-fun, it's your regular horde gameplay.

>>164940654
>Better Chaos campaign LITE

I somehow can't find this mod, what does it do?

Am I missing something or is navy in attila supposed to replenish 1% per turn?

>>164941345
They replenish less in contested waters and more in controlled waters and ports.

mod for less ugly arrow trails in Attila where
I know you can turn it off but then it's impossible to see them at all.
shoulda just been like Shogun 2s desu

>>164941316
It's just plain old boring. There is nothing interesting about it. Beastmen at least have a few interesting gimmicks.

>>164941490
Honestly they should put in a slider so you can control how thick the trails are.

>>164941490
>shoulda just been like Shogun 2s desu
You just described every TW game post-Shogun 2

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>>164941316
>Less frustrating Chaos Campaign LITE
My mistake, that's the actual name!

>more recruitment slots with every level of the main horde building
>raze growth bonus for all hordes
>better unit replenishment

>>164919906
>Harsh reality is the only colonies will be from nations that can afford space flight
Look at the bright side, the space Europeans won't have to deal with space Africans blaming them for their colony's failure.

So miners with blasting charges are kind of OP

>>164942057
Africans will be the easy labour hired for the colonies that no one wants to do or immigrants seeking a better life in the quite literal new world.

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>2017
>still no Bretonnia

Do any modding pros here know what file I should edit with pack file manager if I wanna increase the amount of gold the AI gets from its starting settlement?

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So much Dwarfen blood to settle one grudge. Was it worth it?

I guess I know why the Dwarfs are dying off now

Vampire Counts is literally the best campaign. You cannot refute this.

>>164943578
>2 quarrelers combined got fewer kills than any one of the other 3

that could have swung it more in your favor m8

>>164941783
>Foot Knights
>Canons
>Crossbows

So why were they removed again?

>>164944021
So they can be NotEmpire

>>164944021
Too similar to Empire I guess.

>>164938620
les go lads

How shit are warhounds in Attila?

>>164944426

someone post it

Is there a mod that just reskins Tilea/Estalia/BP without adding new units?

>>164944021
It's really odd how they removed crossbows considering Bretonnia is every French stereotype turned up to one-hundred. It's like the most French ranged weapon imaginable after the musket. It would also fit better with the theme of Bretonnian peasants being really low-tier troops since crossbows require way less practice than a longbow.

>>164944597
Yeah, but a crossbow is way harder to manufactur. Don't Bret peasants have to provide their own weaponry? That's where a bow seems like the better option.

>>164943923
They always get tied up by orc wolf riders or spider riders or whatever

>>164921684

Not reading the rest of the thread. Steel Faith updated yesterday and claims to lower Wood Elf aggression, while increasing aggressiveness of other factions that were previously too passive.

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>>164943578
How the fuck?

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>>164944021
Interestingly enough they have Galleon's in TWWH.
So I guess Bretonnians are okay with using cannons on the sea but not on land.

Best battle voice-over advisor?

Attila for me. When an enemy general dies, I can't help but mimic his delivery of, "The enemy general is dead! EXCELLENT!". He sounds so excited.

>>164945214
Shogun 2. That engrish is grorious

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>>164945214
Shogun 2

>>164945214
I like the german Shogun 2 advisor

>>164945432
I'm german, but haven't played a video game in german in about 10 years.
The translations and voice acting are just horrible most of the time.

>>164945515
Its kind of sad that I have to agree
older games had such great voice acting but now voice actors cant even pronounce english words correctly

>>164945723
I remember that the old Stronghold games had great voices. Also Dawn of War 1.

Nowadays the written text is often awkward to read, because they choose weird words and the voice acting sounds like they read a text off a sheet without knowing any context.

>>164945979
True and don't forget that these days they can't make up their mind whether to translate a word or to use the English one. So sometimes you end up with the text being filled with translated and foreign words making it sound quite terrible.

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STUFF when? We slowly enter the craving-cycle we had before the wood elf announcement.

>>164945979
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>164946240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHOL-EIGCY

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>>164945214

DANG LILY LIVERED COWARDS

YER MEN ARE RUNNIN' SIR!

>>164946568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULXQkPUCd9s

>>164946568
>>164946240
>IMPLYING DoW2 voice acting isnt far superior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhGK4IFOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkZuUlBhW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw7X7itUCVo

>>164945515
>>164945723
total war is in general pretty lazy ragarding voice acting. Even the English voices are horrible. they could have done a much better job in the last games

>>164946709
DoW 1 was far more memorable.

>>164946709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJMLfACod48

>>164945979
Yeah
Company of heroes 1 still amazes me with its voice acting to this day but comparing it to the second CoH its like they used people who just started their job

>>164946742
Didnt the german version of TW: WH get pretty much the boot regarding the voice acting?
I recall some guy bitching that only the advisor is synchronised while everybody else still speaks english/whatever language they speak

>>164946742

COME

SIT

SHARE MY FIRE

>>164946901
That's true they cut corners for warhammer

>>164946901
Yep, only the text and the advisor is in german. Even the speeches during quest battles are still in english.

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Riddle me this /twg/

Will all the remaining DLC be released with Bretonnia release?

>>164947257
Don't think so.

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>>164947068
>>164947103
What the fuck
How can you even get away with that?

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>>164946901
>mfw they translated Quest Battle as Aufgabenschlacht

I guess the word "Quest" is hard to translate into german, but still this particular word makes me cringe every time I see it.

>>164947257
I fucking hope not because the wait to hear any news is killing me as it is.

I'm playing attila and I'm fucking bad at this game.

It's not my first total war game, I played rome when it came out but I don't think I won a single campaign (I was like 15-16 and I was really bad at strategy games). I also played Shogun 2 but that game was easier for me because every faction had the same fucking units and start. I always played as the Oda because they remind me of oda nobunaga, I don't know shit about that guy but he is always portrayed as the devil in games for some reason so he must have been one hell of a man.

Now I'm trying to play as the huns and I'm getting my ass kicked. What do you guys usually do first when playing as the huns?

>>164947537
>horse archers
>horses mounted with bowmen
>horses upon which men armed with bows are seated
>horses that carry male humans who are skilled at the usage of a weapon called "bow"
also horse archers

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Oh, no! /twg/, my king, who grants reduced public order to every settlement I own, has an awful wife and no army seems to have been cornered by my enemy! Whatever can he do?

>>164947537
Heavy melee cavalry is king in Attila, ironically most of the hunnic cav is medium or light.
However, they have some really good spearmen and Uar Warriors are amazing.

Also bring lots of cheap horse archers.

>>164947257
Why had nobody updated that picture with the new lords and lore images and making Grombi colored?

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>>164947257
These are released btw

>>164947257
I think there will still be a Empire vs Greenskins LL pack. They're both missing the most units and since there'll be another VC lord I think Greenskins and Empire with 5 LL's would make sense.
Dwarfs and Bretonnia wouldn't fit with 4 and 3 LL's though, but they're not missing anything (after Bretonnia release)

>>164947660
SLAUGHTER THEM ALL, BASED ASSHOLE-KING!

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>>164947457
It really seems that nowadays the translators like to run the text through google translate and form it around abit to make it make a little bit of sense
Historische Schlacht could fit when taking context into account

is warhammer total war fantasy battle only?

will tomb kings be playable? don't give a shit about the tomb kings but i know some people like them a lot

>>164948051
I don't understand the first question, but yeah, Tomb Kings will be playable at some point.

>>164945214
Not the advisor but I gotta some the VA for the units in Warhammer are really impressing me, especially the Dwarfs

>"MOVE THOSE DWARFEN LEGS"
>"RANGE FAST, RANGE FAR"

Really gets my blood pumpin

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What DLC they release with Bretonnia?

>>164948268
I like Azhags voice acting, especially during the quest battles when he talks to the crown.
Too bad he is a shitlord.

>>164948483
>too bad he is a shitlord

What did you mean by this? He's the only Orc I will really play because I know he's just being mind controlled.

>>164948268

The nation calls

SUMMON

>>164948395
Old World Edition

Which isn't a DLC, just a re-release of the game with some shitty ebook or something

>>164948617

ON THE EDGE

>>164948638
Bretonnia is not going to have Regiments of Renown?

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Anyone have any interesting self-imposed challenges? I loved the skarsnik campaign because you are basically forced to use only goblin units.

Maybe could be used in conjunction with pic related.

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>Conquering the British Isles as the Vikings in Age of Charlememe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIqQctrEceU

>>164947648
>>164947779
I figured the Huns would be strong because the game is named after them. Alright I'll spam horse archers. I don't actually have a goal for this campaign, I guess I'll try to get rid of the romans.

Seems like Attila was born, hope he makes things easier for me. Do I have to name him my heir and train him or do I just leave him alone?

I was reading the OP and it says Rome 2 is a casualized version of Total War and Attila is pretty much the same. I can't play Attila for shit.

>>164948395
>>164948638
Old World edition IS the Bretonnia update.

We're not sure what DLC is going to be released alongside them yet.

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>>164948853

>Attila music mods never

On one hand theres that one modder who said he was actually close to making a music mod for Attila on TWG

But I doubt it will happen

>>164948540
To be fair he beats the crap out of Grimgor and most other lords in a 1v1 if you use spirit leech, but I like to have a LL during early game that can tank a lot of damage and also inflict a fair amount and early game Azhag is shit.

>>164940094
Tfw you 8 star General dies when his unit is full strength at the end of a 30 min battle, things ole that make me want to never play again.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Are wood elves fun to play? I can only get WE or Beastmen right now and idk which.

DOGS OF WAR WHEN

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>>164949862
Papa Nurgle WHEN

>>164949815
I would say that you get more bang for the buck with WE and their mini-campaign isn't a joke like the beastmen one.

>garamantians
>semetic paganism
>wanna expand into roman africa
>do so by raiding, discouraging populace with priests, ruining food stores with spies
>settlements eventually rebel, capture it for myself without any real repercussions from WRE

feels good man

>>164948915
There is no DLC that's going to be released, Old World Edition is a re-release of Warhammer

>>164949815
Do you not have a preference towards either? Do you want to protect Athel Loren and reinvigorate the forests of the realm? Do you want to shit on everything because you're an angry mother fucker?