/twg/ - Total War General

Good thread lads good thread however:

Is there any Legendary Lord that could take Durthu on, one on one, and win?

What's best type of range units in attila ? slinger, archers ?

>>164852726
Thank you so much for making that the pic

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>>164852726
ROADAROLLADA

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Chosen BTFO

>>164852954
why everyday senpai?

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>>164852829
I could think of Archaon.

And I’m referring to The Everchosen, Lord of the End Times, Chaos Incarnate, Herald of the Apocalypse, Warlord of the forces of Chaos United, Scourge of the Empire Archaon and Destroyer of Worlds (with the End Times ability) equipped with the Eye of Sheerian and in control of the Warriors of Chaos and Slayer of Kings, a complete Exalted Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse, with all four Chaos God’s powers implanted in his chest so he can perform the arcane bolt and riding Dhorgar as well as being supported by the Chaos Warherd and with Sigvald and Kholek under his command.

That or just Grimgor. Like maybe armed with a Gobbo and looking for trouble.

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OI CHECK THE /TWG/ STEAM GROUP

AND PLAY A COOP CAMPAIGN

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>>164852829

Napoleon Bonaparte

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>>164852943

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>>164852726
>>164852943
And once again also posting the Shogun 2 chart.

Do you want the others (Empire, Napoopan, Attila and AoC) too?

>>164852829
Cheapfag here, so I don't know because I don't have the welf DLC. But could he beat Grimgor, Manlet, Archaon (who has fire magic), or mounted Karl Franz?

>>164852979
Because the best unit needs acknowledgement.

>>164853043
rollin' :D ;P

>>164853043
Is RotS fun?
I've got it but never tried it so far

>>164853036
Napoleon would get bogged down trying to invade the Badlands and then be exiled out of shame.

>>164853105
>Is RotS fun?
Have you played vanilla and FotS thousands of hours? Then maybe you can get a bit of enjoyment out of RotS.
tbqh it's ok but vanilla S2 and FotS are way superior

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New to Warhammer, not Total War though. Which schools of magic are the best and which ones are shit? I mean, I know I can read the skill trees but that doesn't give you any idea of how well the spells work in practice.

>>164853095
I'll go test like one or two of those but gonna pass out soon, brb with results. What mount for Franz?

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>>164853113
>"Archaon does not submit to my continental blockade of Ulthuan!"
>"Summon the Marshals, call our allies, we will invade the Chaos Wastes!"

>>164852829
Only the Red Duke of Mousillon.

>>164853315
Deathclaw of course.

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>>164852726
>Few years back
>Ask /twg/ what faction i should play in Rise of the Samurai
>Someone suggests Dacia and posts that pic

Good times they were. Thank you anon for reminding of this.

>>164852829
Every single lord that has access to either a dragon hippogryph or gryphon.

Franz can kill him without taking any damage at all.

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>>164853428

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>>164853413
vs Archaeon, only used one spell to his like, eight.

>>164852829
Red Duke can nuke his melee def as well as his physical resistance w/ el syf

>>164853043
Roll for Fall of the Samurai

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meh

>>164853606
>testing vs the ai

pointless - you will always win due to how retarded the ai is

>>164853753
BASED IMPERIAL SHIMAZU

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>>164853779

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>>164853606
Franz with birdy didn't stand a chance
>>164853569
Franz was forced to land without any land troops.

>>164853869
I literally just have Durthu hit them while they hit back and use spells and they still lose.

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>>164853745
>Red Duke
>"Ever since the death of the previous Duke, what remains of Mousillon is a backwater region filled with marshes, bogs and swamps. Those people still living within the Dukedom are inbred and horribly mutated. Mousillon villages look poor and rundown, more so than typical Bretonnian villages. The peasant hovels are on the verge of collapsing, streets are little more than sewers, and there are as many dead animals to be seen as living ones. The inhabitants watch any visitors silently from their homes, cowering within and giving only occasional glimpses of their malformed bodies."

More like Red Duke of Shitillon, amrightguys.

>>164853779
I HAVE A DREAM THAT ONE DAY WE WILL GET RID OF ALL TOASTER POSTERS

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>>164853950
>factions destroyed: 0
wtf? Knife ears again?
How many battles have you fought?

>>164854005
He's gonna smack your ass!
Fucking bretonnian peasants not knowing their place!

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>>164854097
not my fault Warhammer looks like shit

>>164854208
yes it is and you should feel bad

>>164854005
More like The Red Puke

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>>164853960
Use the other lords, VC lords do even better since they heal. Manfredd shits on him.

>>164854330
ok man

>>164854138
Do you think Mousillon will get some unique units other undead do not have like deformed peasants?

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>>164854208
looks good enough if you ask me but I'm not using a toaster

>>164854458
Looks worse than Shogun 2

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>welf campaign movement path allows them to cross mountain ranges just like Dwarfs/Greenskins

Ebin

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>>164854208


>>164854421
nah except for maybe Knights of the Black Grail, I mostly hope for stuff like in the mod 'Mousillon - City of the Damned'.
Bretonnian-style undead units!

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>>164853960
Nothing he could do, i didnt even heal.

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>>164854565
No, but Shogun 2 has this godly aesthetic that CA just doesn't seem to top anymore.

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>>164854606

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>new dei release.
>that political selection screen.
Das it mane.

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>>164854765

>>164853293
Amber wizards are great. They can summon manticores and have good damage spell. They can also be mounted on Griffons.

Light Wizard got a net spell that can immobilize and a decent missile spell.

Grey Wizard got great damaging spells and a costly, but good buff

Jade Wizard got great healing spells.

Lore of Vampires is probably one of the best magic lores. You got a good missile spell, great heal spell, can summon a shitton of skeletons and zombies and has a devastating, but tricky to use wind spell.

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>>164854918

>>164854005
>The Red Duke of Louisiana

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Times when you were literally The Joker in Toal war games /twg/?

pic related

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>>164855068

>>164853293
DAH BIG AN LITTLE WAGGGHHHH

Some of the best buffs and damage spells in the game imo.

>>164855191
Total* fuck.

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>>164855191

Is that anon who was working on the campaign map lighting and textures here?

>>164855191
ABSOLUTE MAD MAN

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Reminder that Warhams was so successful that the next historical title will be warhammerfied on the campaign and the battle.
This means:
- shallow campaign gameplay: few buildings, meaningless resources, less mechanics overall
- lacking animations on the battlefield: Why bother making reloading animations if nobody gives a shit in warhammer
- DLC as expensive as warhammer DLC, because why shouldn't they try if people are now used to the higher prices

Face it, history shitters. You will have to buy warhammer, even if it's not on the box.

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>>164854138

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>mfw it's stabby time

>>164855432
Why do you hate total war

Why do you hate yourself

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Is there a way to get the shitty heavy cav to work in this game?

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YES
YES
SWEET JESUS YES

>>164855432
I wonder if they will make it more like Attila or Warhammer, it has proved successful and it is enjoyable but it does not fit a history title where it is all about building and managing empires.

>>164855432
fuk

>>164855432
Just keep playing m2 then, it has almost all of the same problems plus some unique ones, and it's cheaper

>>164855670
Campaign gameplay is so much slower though, dunno how I feel about it yet.

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>>164855670

Whats different?

>>164855665
Is this a joke?

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>>164855665
You mean because they run up to the enemy at full speed then slow to a gentle trot when about to hit?

I was so disappointed moving up from RTW, where a charge would send people flying everywhere.

>>164855432
nice predictions

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>>164855775
I like it.
I also roleplay a lot so the slower pace suits me well.

>>164855994
Cav charges in med 2 look bad IMO. Rome 1 cav charges were good in their own way though.

>>164856068
Yeah I find myself a lot more immersed than pretty much any game I play thanks to the mod.

>>164855609
Using a camera mod? If yes, use another, had the same problem.
If not, update your drivers and/or verify game cache

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Since the last time the answers didn't satisfy me I am asking this again. Which campaign have you played and what are the advantages?

>>164855537
>Why do you hate total war

The simpler gameplay is one of the most praised features about Warhammer on r/total war and among the normie Total War fans. The ones who complain about this are /twg/ and TWC autists.

>>164855958
>charge cavalry with decent run up into the back of some engaged infantry.
>they slow down and pull out their swords
>infantry get tickled at best

I dunno, is this working as intended?

>>164856068
I started as Ireland fuck knows why. Slowest campaign of my life.

Plus some of my units started to rout after the victory message had appeared in one battle. What? Scared of the men running for their lives?

>>164856157
tell me about it.
>>164855954
all factions have an immersive politics system
campaign is slowed down but to a comfy level.
Army units make a lot more sense.
Economy rebalanced.
Pop system.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?746128-Download-amp-Installation-Divide-et-Impera-Download-link-1-2-Released!

>>164856195
Hold alt when telling them to charge

I don't know what it does, but someone on /twg/ once told me to do it and charges have always worked for me since then

>>164855994
Damn, Shogun 2 still looks damn good

>>164856164
Still the same answer from me, White Huns!
I didn't like playing Huns after 20 or 30 turns I just quite.
White Huns on the others side have something different to them, I dunno but I just couldn't stop playing them!

>>164856164
I can't play the white huns since according to Wikipedia they were iranians and not asiatic. So they look wrong and they have the wrong religion. They also weren't completely nomadic, so the gameplay is also wrong since you can't settle down.

>>164856195
That often happens. Try charging your cav from a greater distance. If you are doing it in sieges then you can just forget about it. No mods fixes it either.

>>164856194
>simple gameplay
What a shame. I was hoping for an In depth campaign. Guess I won't buy Total War any more

>>164856195
This is how it works. Creative Assembly managed to go backward on a simple thing, somehow.

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Can only afford to raise one new army at the moment. Are there any reasons to pick one over the other?

>>164854651
T O P T I E R
O
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T
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And not a manlet btw, confirmed 6'2" in lore.

>>164856345
do they have the wrong sandals too?

>>164856356
Well, total war has always been about the battle map to be honest. You buy Civ or whatever for a more indepth turn based campaign map.

>>164856345
>hepthalites
>iranian

no

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>>164856356
Time to get angry

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/5ktyj2/tw_warhammer_has_ruined_all_other_total_wars_for/

>>164856394
t. manlet

>>164856386
gelt for the better voice acting

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>>164856164

Huns because it feels good butchering everyone

Havent tried an all out campaign with the White Huns yet but i'm sure it'll probably end up the same but with more dead easterners everywhere

>>164856386
I think Gelt gets a +10% research rate trait, but that's about it. Go for Volkmar.

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>>164854651
>>164856394
_ M
B A S E D
_ N
_ N
_ F
_ R
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>>164856481
Total war has always been about empire building and was a mix of both. A deep campaign makes battles more fun and important.

>pic related: all people who say "hurr durr it's total WAR after all!"

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>>164856454

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>>164855090
Brutal

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wish me luck guys.

>>164856689
But it is Total WAR after all!

the campaign just gives context to the battles, so I don't care about a watered down campaign, I want good battles!

Any strategic advance for playing as Empire?? Other than a slow AF easy Dwarf campaign (200+ turns) I'm new to this & having trouble shifting gears to a more aggressive playstyle...

>>164856689
I guess. The campaign map was still put in to give some context to the battles though.


>>164856851
Better campaign map, better context I guess.

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>>164856765

>>164856526
RIP

In all honesty I'm hoping they make fantasy simple and history complex. Best of both worlds for the fan base

>>164856068
How is battle speed in 1.2? Does it need a mod to get them faster or are they bearable?

>>164856842
is this the new release/beta thing? How is the population mechanic?

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>>164856689
>>164856481

I fucking hate it when people bring up the "its total WAR" excuse. Its been happening way too much lately

There was always that aspect of creating "stories" of your favorite generals and such since R1/M2 thanks to the campaign

Warhammer doesnt have that at all thanks to the fucking awful trait system

>>164856918
>Better campaign MAP
The map is really important I'd say, but I don't care much about e.g. the PO/squalor/food hassle in Attila, I liked the building management in AoC far more.
Maybe I just dislike the building part if there are too many elements to care about.

>>164856194
Tedious clutter doesn't necessarily mean something has more "depth" or is "harder". That said, /twg/ has its fair share of people that whine and call the games falwed because they can't git gud. AI agents being one of the hottest topics for example.

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>>164857085
>Creating stories
I agree. Shit like this just doesn't happen in the newer total war games

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>>164856596
Is there anyone who could beat Mannfred? And im not talking about Mannfred riding a hell stead. Heck im not even talking about Mannfred riding a zombie dragon. Im talking about Mannfred riding a zombie dragon with 7 zombie spawns, lore of dearth AND Lore of vampires, whilst wielding the sword of unholy power.

>>164856918
>>164856851
Complex campaign eatures make me fell more immersed. In Warhammer it feels like I'm shuffling lifeless fugires around and cities don't really feel like cities. which it ok i guess for a game that comes from table top.

But in Attila the food and sanitation/illness makes the world more living.
I really like the population mechanic in Med2. This made the black plague even more devastating, seen how the population shrinks drastically.

>>164856890
Unite your province, build walls in all the settlements in Reikland while you fight off any hordes, Do the closeby quest battle you get.

Now you can either blitz Carroburg and peace out with Middenland on the same turn or you could concentrate on Marienburg(You get a shit ton of money by holding it).

You should also consider removing Skarsnik before he becomes a problem.

You should recruit an extra small army to help defend while you build walls. AI also gets scared when you have a big fucking army so there is a less chance they will declare war on you.

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>>164856998
its more about unit positioning.
they removed formation attack so battles will be better.
>>164857031
I had played with the pop mechanic for quite a while. It's a great way to prevent elite troop spamming from a particular province.

here we go boys.

>>164856689
Why would you lie? And posting frogs doesn't make you look any more intelligent I'm afraid.

>>164857204
>AI agents
kek, the butthurt about them was delicious
but people deserve getting fucked by agents if they don't build their own, also part of empire managemen

Is there a known that make it so you can never summon Archaon?
I'm pretty sure I sacrificed much more than 10 times

>>164857085
>awful trait system

The trait system is that different. The problem more stems from no-aging and immortal leaders really.

>>164857140
Yeah I agree the squalor thing doesn't really add much. Only having food and public order in shogun 2 was good enough for me. It felt more planned out and tight.

>>164857225
Damn that's brutal, he killed him 55 times over!

>>164857456
True, I liked the system in Shogun 2 far more than in vanilla Attila

>>164857085
>since R1/M2

I can't stand the likes of you, stop posting if you have no idea what the early games of the series were like

>>164857456
Meant

>the trait system isn't that different.

>>164857223
>tfw there never was a Danish Empire in real life
It's a bad feel

>>164857140
I agree about Attila being a hassle hui still think we need proper death. Some way to manage cities and our territory that makes it personnel and unique. Things like choosing you factions religion is going in the right direction.

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Im the only GS left
What now?

>>164857718
The mission will be skipped next turn

>tfw 4485 fps on rome 2 title screen

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Elephants are still based.

>>164857938
>>164857342
>>164856842
Ifeel put off playing don't know why.

Arabic culture when?

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>>164856345
THAT DOES IT. UNINSTALLING ATTILA RIGHT NOW

>>164857938
last time I used them in dei they kept going berserk after entering any sort of combat, which made them seem far less useful than cataphracts to me

>>164857792
Did not

>>164858207
Then there should still be existing greenskin factions

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>>164858087
Saba

>>164858130
Elephants are like heat seeking missiles.
You point them towards the enemy and let them do their work
>tfw historically accurate elephant combat never.

The stabby phase is about to begin lads.

>>164858207

did you mouse-over the objective? should say what greenskin tribes are still alive

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I see why they abandoned pikes now.

>>164855432
Wait what? A fantasy title was the perfect route for CA because their game series was ALREADY "warhammerfied". After medieval 2, they started piling on more and more features for casuals until it all conglomerated into rome 2.

>>164858297
>>164858367
Quest got aborted when i took over some other settlement

The fuck

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>chasing down routing infantry with your cavalry while the Alexander OST blasts in the background.

>tfw I have entered elysium.

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the snownigger in chief is caught by our brave mahouts.

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how is this a close victory

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I have to say, I like the new changes to morale that they made.
It plays like RTR now.

>>164858549
The thread is still quite young but I think you can rest assured that the prize for the wrongest post will go to you.

Mentioning M2 was the first mistake, especially when in itself it managed to take away stuff from the previous games, both M1 and R1, while managing to take stuff that previously worked on the same engine and break it completely out of shape.

Then you forget that starting from empire there was a fucking tech tree and trade wasn't retarded anymore.

With S2 and R2/Attila the empire management stopped being LOL LET'S JUST BUY EVERYTHING I CAN AFFORD and started requiring some form of planning. Simple planning at that, yes, but it still beats what you had to do before, which was absolutely nothing.

But please, do explain how later games were obviously casualised while M2 was for hardcore gamers.

>>164858885
>>164858962
>Rome 2 campaigns are being posted
Finally the old /twg/ is getting re-WOKE-N

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>tfw you tried to do the same for TW:WH
>tfw CA didn't let you.
feelsbadman.
>>164858885
you lost a lot of your men.

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Is there a mod for either fots or vanilla Shogun 2 that lets me play as a pure european faction and genocide the japs?

I want to roleplay creating a brighter timeline

>>164858962
can you summarize the changes to morale? Thinking about trying a campaign w/ the new patch after i finish my current one

>>164859297
you can play otomo and create armies of tercos, but thats as close as I think you can get

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Alright fellow Dawi I got some Grombindal Codes to give.

GX3C8-LK08N-I008V

ZTQFJ-MTBF0-AT9YY

>>164859360
>shitty units will break a little after combat
>pikes not OP anymore
>low tier skirmishers will rout as often as they will actually skirmish.
>single units have sharp drops to morale
>no formation attack/hold ground (its actually a good thing with the slower paced battles)

>>164859297
>Playing as boring europeans when you can play as Takeda Shingen

>>164859450

Thanks nigga

what do i need to take to reform arnor in DAC?

>>164859482
>>pikes not op anymore

were they ever op? they never seemed to kill shit whenever I used them

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Guess maintaining the peace is the hardest part of conquest

>>164859250
>Newfag who thinks Rome 2 /twg/ was old /twg/
I bet you were one of the waifu shitposters

>>164859579
they were pretty much unbreakable especially if you played as romans.

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>ywn earn the unwavering loyalty of your men after leading them in countless heroic victories against sassanid doomstacks

>>164859659
But with romans you could just shower them in pila?

>>164859602
Yeah, got so bored of Bactria, 40 turns in and taken Amul as well and just had to sit for ages and ages with generals as governors to keep the peace.
Playing Macedon now, might try Parthia later since I really want to play around with cataphracts.

how do i get good at tw? Do custom battles help?

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>>164859748
and he isn't even my best general

this guy conquered sassanid controlled turkey all by himself. He and his men chased arran all the way from the caucasus mountains to the shore of the baltic sea just to raze their last remaining settlement to the ground. Under his guidance the eastern campaign against the sassanids turned from a drawn out war from a one sided culling of pompous easterners.

He isn't perfect of course, as despite all his success, he still hasn't had a single child, even though he and his wife both have traits that boost the chances of having kids

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>>164859820

Some of us actually prefer the slower more comfy game. Taking a region or two in aa decade seems like a historically authentic rate of conquest.

>>164859769
not really. Once combat was met they would be unbreakable because of how formation attacks work.
Removing formation attacks make battles more like medieval 2 where unit lines bulge out and break in prolonged combat.

>>164860219
I know but the main problem is the AI doesn't seem to be getting the no phantom income bonus. Guys with one region have one and a half stack armies minimum with just military buildings.

Also forgot to mention in Bactria there isn't a good way to get a second province very early since everyones a vassal of Selekeuids.

>>164860219
How is the ratio between sieges and field battles?

>>164860361
1:0, AI just seems to turtle unless they backstab you.

>>164860342
>>164860342
You have to expand north into horsefucker land like the greeks actually did early on.
>>164860361
Too early to tell

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>>164860193
also I forgot to mention that those 2 are brothers

some seriously good genes going to waste

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Sneaky!

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>>164859940

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>tfw you install Napoopan after playing Empire and the combat is so silky smooth compared to Empires atrocious clunkyness

Med 2 with stainless steel or Atilla? I can't decide.

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>>164860675
Dabbin!

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>>164860342
don't know about that.
My neighbor has 1 full stack filled with trash from his two regions.

>>164860803
Vanilla Med 2 if you want to play Med 2 again otherwise Attila with Charly the Man.

>>164860803
Anything but M2 is the way, play R1 if you want something older

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>>164860803

Age of Charlie Mage

>>164857259
>But in Attila the food and sanitation/illness makes the world more living.
It also boils down mostly to basic arithmetic in the end and isn't very interesting gameplay. It's just there to force you to build balanced rather than specialised settlements.

>>164861545
warhammer doesn't even have building variety to specialize a province.

>>164861872
Maybe, but the way Atilla did it wasn't exactly fun either.

medieval kingdoms campaign when

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>>164861895

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I like how DEI makes me feel that I am slowly settling a region
>invest a lot of money in a province.
>good greeks slowly begin to colonize it.

>>164862109
With attila, all you had to do was tweak a little db table and you could make specialized provinces again
With warhammer you have to make everything from scratch

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I just realized that tomb kings wont be out this year :(

I cant even see them coming in the next expansion since its a different continent.

CA have yet to add new land, does that mean they are gonna be some shitty horde if the get added, or the third title will be the land of the dead with lol araby.

>>164862447
good, fuck off

>>164862528
>Hating on the best faction.

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Rejoice! For a Knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

>>164862714
hey, I want it to happen but its gonna be todbringer.

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>>164862714

>Wizard Lord

Apart from that, rest would be great.

>>164862661
but I'm not hating on literally every other faction

tomb cucks are worse than skaven fags in here

>>164862374
What's your point? I thought we were talking about the vanilla games here. The point I'm trying to make is that Atilla isn't necessarily better just because it's more complex.

>>164863038
They provide something new to the old world, right now the south is nothing but Orcs and Dwarfs.

Adding another faction to the mix that actually adds landmass is really needed now.

>>164854138
so embarassing to see CA'a attempt at fantasy design. that armour is a fucking joke they really needed a fleshed out setting like warhammer to make this work huh.

>>164862714
Sounds nice, kinda wish we'd get those archers finally.
>>164862887
Maybe one day in the future we can get Marius.

>>164862714

>Gorbland Ironbore

Fuck no

>>164862714

If CA weren't such cowards they'd do an Empire vs Chaos Lord pack to fill out all the blatant holes in the Chaos roster

But unfortunately there's too many babies out there who would rather cry about "Muh DLC for DLC!" than have a better game and CA is too ready to kowtow to them.

>>164863165
Tomb Kings should be pretty fun to play in battles at least since they aren't too reliant on magic like VC and will probably work off regeneration within character auras like liche priests and tomb kings. I hated the redesigns gw implemented though, before they made giants and ushabti from bone and they changed it to stone constructs which really ruins the sinister and deathly aspect of them. The concept of a moving statue is just so retarded.

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>>164862714
Averland seems pretty cool for fire build army with blazing knights and bright wizards

>>164862714
I feel like another greenskin and Empire legendary lord might be overkill
What might happen is that a couple of Ulric themed units for Todbringer come for free, with knights of the white wolf using Questing Knight animations (since they're both using two handed weapons on horseback)

>>164863253
Looks like a generic warboss

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>everyone playing warhammer
>I'm still fighting in the crusades

All must be united under the first reich of the Holy Roman Empire

>>164863903
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>>164859450
>And then those dwarves became slayers because they couldn't repay their life-debt to Grombrindal before he fucked off.

T-Thanks Grombrindal.

>>164862865

Just the shield, huh?

I don't suppose he'd be willing to fork over a couple more pennies for a 'alf-assed halberd, would he?
Or at least a spear, by any chance?
No, huh?
Well, thanks for the overgrown plank, m'lord. (Ya stingy weasel)

Man, I hope we don't meet anything larger than Ungors on this march ...

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>>164863707

That's because Gorbad basically is a generic warboss

He doesn't even have any kind of gimmick, he's just big and strong and did a big Waaaagh once.

If CA absolutely feels the need to add a fifth Greenskin lord (Which I don't think they will) it should definitely be Grom the Paunch

>>164864114

>Bretonnian peasant doesn't understand what a metaphor is

I don't know why I excepted anything different

>>164864132

We already have a gobbo warboss though.

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Having finally removed the sassanids and their buttbuddies from the east, I am now sitting at 30/40 factions destroyed thanks to some liberation followed by backstabbing. There are 5 factions left in-game besides me (jutes, geats, rugians, angles, and anteans), but hopefully when the time comes for war I will be able to pull similar liberation shenanigans.

The only provinces I need to control are Italia and Narbonesis: Italia has one minor settlement owned by the jutes, and Narbonesis is still abandoned except for one Jute town.

>>164864242
>>164864132
We already have following LL's:
A Black Orc Warboss
An Orc Warboss with magic
A Savage Orc Warboss
A Night Gobbo Warboss

Orcs don't really need more LL's

>>164864382

I never said that adding another Greenskin lord was a good idea.

Just that, if they DO go ahead and do it anyway, Gorbad is boring and shit and they shouldn't pick him.

>>164864202

Mettyphors are all well and good, m'lord - but a good steel in a man's hand is even better ...
Actually, a bit of scrap iron wouldn't go amiss either right about now, m'lord ...
Y'know - just so I can have muh hands full with the panoply of war - so to speak, m'lord ...
(an' somthing to stab that Ungor with, too)

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Amul becomes more hellenic in nature, and the settlement begins to take on more hellenistic aspects.
>>164863041
attila is better for the simple reason that your settlements are now far more important in creating the sense of scale.
Your provinces support each other, even moreso in AoC whereas warhammer doesn't have that.

>>164862374
What's you Bactria game going like? Do you have any specific strats with them, or just randomly get technology?

Also, what's unique or good about their military?

>>164864382
Haven't all the current factions basically got all their units?
Other than a few minor things like death wizards for empire there isn't much to add.

Brettonia when?!

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Karak Izor defense force.

hey guys, in M2TW what are the different weapon types? Like I get spear and sword but they also get labeled 'melee' and 'crude'

Anyone have data on this? I couldn't find it online

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>Wood Elves will defend this

Why does AI chase my hordes until forever?
I just want to get away from these mongoloids.

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>>164865160

They could stand to do better

>>164863903
>holy
>roman
>empire
>reich

Didn't think it could expand like that.

>>164865160
>tower du bois eternal

sounds gay af

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Bukhara follows Amul as well, slowly becoming a demipolichne of considerable importance to the baktrian kingdom.
>>164864765
I am just being comfy and making the east hellenistic in nature.
I am kinda stuck because the satrapies haven't rebelled yet. Once my economy gets better I plan on advancing north through the steppes.

>>164865160
where is the dreaming wood?

>>164864939
I think chaos is missing bunch of monstrous/demonic units

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>>164863903

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>>164865160

>Be Belegar
>drag Orion into a war against Durthu
>Durthu burns the oak of ages

>>164865465
Apparently the Satrapies don't rebel at all in 1.2
I also waited in my Parthian campaign to turn 60 and nothing happened.

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>>164865492
Daemons are going to to be their own separate faction.

But they are missing this beauty from their roaster.

>>164865517
t."""Greatest Ally""" Begger Nohammer

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Rome

>>164863568
I kinda like that they are constructs, Kangs are not meant to be evil and the only skeletons are ancient Neharki warriors who awoke, not puppets like Vampire Cunt armies.

>>164858502

An incredibly powerful formation and type of soldier in the Greek context where civ are quite developed and warfare is a bit more complex than simple head-on engagement since they basically acted like movable spiked walls so you could easily manage a equally powerful enemy army into a precarious situation so you could eventually use tactics to turn the fight in your favor, alas against non-greek cultures that favor speed and mobility over proper and defined tactics they were pretty much useless.

Basically, it suffered the fate of a specialized troops being used outside its intended context. Just like how snipers would be utterly ineffective if you'd use them in close-quarter situations. It was a formation made to buttfuck arrogants greek cities state that sought to turtle it up behind their walls when shit hit the fan, especially the shit they themselves started.

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>>164862447
Daemons of chaos DLC when?!?

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>>164865584
shit.
North it is then.
Or I can just stay comfy, ally with Takshashila and chomp up parts of the east.

>>164865985
>speed and mobility aren't tactics.

>>164866172
I'd say go north, since that's what they did historically isn't it? Just about to start another Macedon run after Athens and Sparta dec'd on me. Gonna try a full pike army (instead of hoplites) with light cav support.

>>164866165
The fuck is that thing? I want one.

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>>164866165
Just look how happy he is!

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>>164866165

>Get a load of this daemon, sarge.

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What's the best way to use Witch Hunters on the battlefield? I understand they are designed to hunt down opposing heroes and lords but should i specialise him in ranged or melee combat?

Anybody want 20 percent off total war I got all these damn codes with grombrindal.

>>164866286
I did an ahistorical macedon and colonized dacia and the black sea.
Pretty comfy

Yeah, I will go north.

>>164866348
>>164866321
>>164866165


Why did they have to leave the cool factions till last.

Fucking wood elves are lame as shit, all the unique stuff is still not in the game.

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BURN IT

>>164866165
>GW, I feel like Chaos Warriors just isn't edgy enough
GW: say no more, pham

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>>164866312
Not sure.
Maybe a keeper of secrets?
Maybe a daemon prince?

>>164866406
Ranged. they get chewed up in melee.

>>164866406
That missle damage refers to that one shot from their pistol.

Their shitty little pistol does damage on par with a warmachine but with pin-point precision, it's crazy!

>>164856314

Sound like its related to how the unit interpret the charge attack, because the alt+click hotkey is there so you can tell your missiles troops or whatnot to go into melee without having to toggle the option each and every time, it is useful in fights where numbers is all that matter and your missiles troops have no more ammo and/or some enemies troops are near routing, since a mass of +500 or more shitty archers going in tend to crush the morale of even the hardiest troops, especially if its far into the fight. It is useful when using missile cavalry, shoot into their flanks and backside while they move and charge in repeatedly when they are distracted by some others troops, work quite well to rout some exhausted enemies or a front-line that is tired/shaken but doesn't want to rout.

Maybe its because the AI isn't sure if you're asking the AI to go up to the enemies troop and confront them or just charge into their flank to retreat afterward, now I can't help but wonder if it would work as a tactic if I shift+click(another useful hot-key, basically it create a spot for your troop to move to, but you can put more than one in a row, quite useful for micromanaging your troops emplacement on the battlefield whitout having to move all over the battlefield all the time to give certain unit specific orders like running around the enemy to attack their backside while you're busy with the frontline) in a direction after the charge to see if the cavalry does move away or they simply stay in the fight.

just beat my first campaign. beastmen on hard, 329 turns.

fuck ironbreakers and fuck wood elves and fuck harpies they're absolutely worthless

>>164866406

>What's the best way to use Witch Hunters on the battlefield?

I wouldn't bother

They simply provide less value in battle than a unit of handgunners and they're also by far the most powerful agent the Empire has in terms of campaign actions, so it's better to just use them there.

>>164867278
Give me a screen fa'm

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>>164866637

>>164867278
Why bother with the Dwarfs at all, just ignore them and kill the Empire factions.

Speaking of Dwarfs though, will Gyros ever become useful, the bombers strong missile attack is doing fuckall. Just from the stats it should function as a mobile cannon even after you've dropped the bombs which would make it a useful unit but in actual gameplay it is so weak it feels almost bugged.

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>>164867352
didnt take one

>>164867681
beastmen long campaign victory includes killing the dorfs. took me around 70 turns to trek across the badlands after I had destroyed the empire.

>>164867701
Bummer.

>>164867984
warriors of chaos got destroyed by the vampire counts so it was pretty spooky for a hot minute with the vamps on my ass while i was trying to siege karaz a karak

>>164866238

That like comparing professional football leagues with amateur ones, it just an entire different world and context, not that there isn't some hint of tactic behind a mentality of speed and mobility but rather they such mentality prevent and also kind of make useless the use of properly defined tactics akin complex armies formations that are required in civilized warfare so you don't get utterly shafted by his own tactics.

It's basically David vs Goliath, one is a lumbering tower of a soldier with years of experience and tactics under the belt while the others is a guy with a sling who just had to aim for the big fucker head to make all of this knowledge porridge.

>>164868256
horsearcher skirmishing tactics were pretty advanced for their day, it takes a lot of experience to actually wheel and shoot while moving. They were organized enough to have their own metalworking and were traders as much as they were horsefuckers.

>>164868256
>>164866238

Also if we go further into it we could argues that speed and mobility aren't truly tactics of their own but rather are merely parts of the whole thing we call ''tactics'' and has to be used in conjunction with the inherent mobility of your troops with others contextual facts as to make them actually effective.

Even if you go fast it doesn't compensate for tactics, going fast doesn't mean shit if it mean you get surrounded and killed en masse just as fast as you flanked the enemy

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>>164864132
>>164864382
Grom the Paunch is not going to be added until we get the New World. He's going to be leading a Greenskin faction in the new world with the objective to destroy the High Elfs.

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I was building up Reikland when these cuties showed up. I was thinking that everything was going all too well. Except for Stirland that was annihilated by Wissenland.

>2 giants per unit
Here's hoping that those Estalian and Tilean armies doing god knows what in Reikland weaken these guys first.

>The AI travels half way across the map to attack you.

Why?

>>164864939
>Haven't all the current factions basically got all their units?

B-BUT I WANT MY CELESTIAL HURRICANUM AND HUNTSMEN AND KNIGHTS OF THE WHITE WOLF AND ULRICAN WEREWOLVES AND THE SNOTLING WAGON AND THE MUTALITH BEAST AND THE CHAOS MAMMOOOOOOOOOTH

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TELL ME ABOUT THE ELEPHANT! WHY DOES IT WEAR THE TUSKS?

>>164869571

Just a note for this one, there's like 4 wildly different official pieces of art for Neferata so yeah.

>>164869638
It's because the elephant exists in the late 1990s and those were tough times for the third world.

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>>164867282
Already got 1 Witch hunter who is focused on assasination + i just like to recruit and maintain lord specific armies like pic related even though they rarely are the best of what you could actually use.

>>164869571
What's the difference between that throne and the mortis engine?

>>164864939

The only faction missing any substantial number of units is Chaos

They are missing:

Hellstriders
Skullcrushers
Mutalith Vortex Beasts
Slaughterbrutes
Chimerae
Chaos Warshrines

And Daemon Princes if we count lords

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>>164869772
They always choose the worse (newer option). See how they bunged up Manlet by making him a bald nu metal musician instead of a suave Hammer Horror vampire and how they're going to bung up the Fay Enchantress by making her a generic blonde maiden instead of a courtly dame wearing a henning and with grail in hand. Pic related.

>ANOTHER savage stack spawns close-by in Wissenland
>The first one besieges Grunburg
>Skarsnik brings a nigh-full stack to visit me as well

...

Altdorf shall NEVER fall.

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>tfw actually got this rare drop from killing the first enemy army turn 1

It's no Sword of Couronne, but I'll take it.

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>>164869983

On TT Coven Thrones could cause enemy units to miss attacks or outright attack each other.

>>164868605

Indeed, but it seem that my initial opinion is being misunderstood: I do not speak of speed and mobility as if they weren't important aspect or that the horsefucker were awful fighter/tactician, quite the opposite. I merely sought to point out that the heavily defined tactics of greek warfare and the ensuing advantages, present in the troops akin the Hoplites and their function on the battlefield, while quite effective in a civilized context where the enemies aren't running around (aka most civ south of the greeks) are rendered useless against nomadic nations that have no static or permanent settlements thus make direct and controllable confrontation a pain in the arse. Rarely did the horsefucker did large scale battle akin their southern neighbor, preferring to raid & loot when possible and constantly goes into skirmishes with the invading armies to slowly thin out their numbers and morale before they even get near the main settlement, if they didn't simply move it around a priori.

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Still waiting

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Nice

>>164857085
>>164857223
Vanilla M2 had a problem where leaders lived for hundreds of years due to the way turns worked though

>>164870471
but the persians who had far more sophisticated states than the greeks didn't fight in the greek manner.
It was more like warfare was largely traditionalized due to similar cultures fighting each other and tactics that they considered staple were only successful in that bubble.

>>164870576
Kek, I remember having an "immortal" faction leader in Rome 1.

>>164870576
>tfw VC were already in M2

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>>164856842
>defenders of the karen

>>164870568
>that fucking feel when you get a Runefang or this >>164870361

>>164870568
>vermin

QUEEK CONFIRMED

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me on the left

I want to play some S2 again but hate the cheating AI. I just want to comfily build up my empire. Which difficulty is best? M/M?

>>164869571
>that one guy who really wants Thorek Ironbow instead of Kazador

You're persistent but I'm hesitant to believe that CA will include Karak Azul without making the king playable

Also Neferata will probably get placed in Lahmia instead just so she can fight Lybaras and the Tomb Kangz

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>>164871487
Me on the right

>>164870576
Not if you changed the years per turn from 2 to 1 I think.

No herdstones for Athel Loren settlements? Come on WElfs are already a pain in the ass but I don't even get to set up a comfy beast base when I do grind it out.

RIP to the thousands of ungors who made it possible. I mean literal thousands.

>>164870742

But weren't the Persian subjugated by the Greeks of Alexander? Afterward nearly the entirety of the territories conquered by the man adopted Greek tactics and troop formations due to their effectiveness, such a thing wouldn't have happened as it not be of the conquered nations respect for the Greek way of things.

In the end, nobody is really stronger/superior to the others, its all in the way on how you use your strength. Like the Greek way of things was especially effective against the empire of old that lived around Mesopotamia, thousands of km away from Greece, while it wasn't effective against the horse fucker just north of Greece. Just like how the majority of the descendant of his rule utterly failed at using the Greeks troop properly hence why they don't exist and no one managed to recreate the empire of Alexander, even if they had been quite effective in conquering that very territory.

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Me in the middle

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>start raiding
>income doubles
WTF? I love pillaging now!

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>>164871382
>you will see whole units of greatswords get fucked by vermintides in this timeline

glorious.

What exactly do nasty skulkers work for? I tried to use them as flanking infantry against dwarves since they've got armor piercing and they still got their shit rekt.

>>164872185
You're balding?

>>164872628
They do decent against lower dorf units and stuff thats engaged from the front. if they get a WAAGH, Ere we go, or a sneeky stabbin while shanking a back they can rack up.

>>164869571
Thunderbage is not a real unit.

Neferata is not a lord for VC in table top.

I would like to see spirit hosts though, but i doubt their inclusion since they are just fast zombies with +70 physical resistance.

>>164872628
They are really good if they are winning the combat. Also great for sieges because of stalk.

>>164872712
No, the other middle

>>164872983
Bretonnia are supposedly going to get OC units, so non-units aren't impossible

>>164873283

I hope the OC units will not be radious tier trash.
>King's handgunners (Heavy Peasant Nobles)

>>164873283
Nothing we have seen is OC donut steel.

Aside from maybe that LL, but he is still in the lore i suppose.

>>164873537
>implying any new unit added wouldn't be called that by memeing newfags anyway

>>164873692
The only reason we're getting that no name LL is because CA finally realized that people want subfactions.

>>164873696
As long as they dont have dismounted knights i am happy.

The sheer amount of dismounted Rieksgaurd for Empire mods disgusts me, they are not units in TT and there is no reason to make Empire or Bretonnia have elite heavy infantry.

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He came to Spain in a regiment of one hundred and sixty men.
Now he's the last one of them.

What do you think is he thinking about right now?

>>164873921
I am glad we have diversity, i am excited to see what they do with the old world edition.

Have they said whether the release is just a rebranding for those who dont own the game, or are they expecting us to pay for any updates it brings.

>>164874113
If you own the base game you get the upgrade for free.

>>164871658
I only say Thorek because he has a model and rules and Kazador doesn't. Either would be find to be honest familia.

>>164872983

Thunderbarge has rules in 8th ED, just no model.

>Neferata not a VC lord
Neither is Herman Ghorst, but unlike Herman she has a model and a lot of lore. Also she lives in the Silver Pinnacle all the way away from the Tomb Kings.