/gbfg/ Granblue Fantasy General #973

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Cock is core

Things 4chan/SEAniggers/IRC has said:

>Monki is bad because her heal debuffs your party
>Monki is bad just because
>Ferri is only good in AT
>Ferri's cooldowns are too long to be useful
>Ferri won't change the holy trinity of light
>Ferri is bad because you have to bring clear
>Djeanne is bad because she kills herself
>Korwa is a meme
>Korwa is bad because her ougi does no damage so Siete is better
>Korwa's rotation takes too long and is too hard
>Ayer is bad because he kills himself
>Ayer is a dude and if you ticket Ayer you should kill yourself
>(buffed) Beato is bad and a meme
>Six is useless because he's too selfish
>Water Naru is shit
>SS Zoi is bad
>SS Zoi's conjuction's cooldown is too long to be useful
>You don't use SS Zoi with Six. Nobody does that
>Warlock is bad now, Hawkeye is the strongest MVP racing job
>SS Heles is bad
>Veight is bad
>Juliet is shit, Amira is much better
>Kat is bad
>Siete is bad because all he does is boost ougi damage
>Nio is bad just because she's a harbin
>Nio is better than Monki because baha guns. Fuck Korwa
>Eugen is bad
>Baha HL is the hardest fight in the game
>Io's passive works in the backrow
>Cerberus guns are bad, just farn fimbuls and break cerberus guns for gun elements
>Lecia is overpowered because one Japanese player used her to solo Medusa HL
>Light Gunslingers are stronger than Gae bolg users
>Wrestler is bad because Gunslingers are better
>Funfslingers is the strongest and top esport players know this
>Sundome's research doesn't matter
>Lucio is not worth it, he's medicore. Just use Amira, Rosamia or Albert
>Lucio is bad because he has too many buttons to press
>Yuisis replaces Siete and Monki for Wind core team
>Rooster is bad because her setup takes too much time
>Korwa is better and you should never use them together
>Rooster is better than Korwa and you should never use them together
>Vampy isn't core

Apsaras will save water

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>>164788126
>Hetfag OP

>>164788198
And I will never roll her because I'm an unluckshitter that only deserves to die.

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Have you ever been so unlucky that you just lsot all will to live?

>>164788284
You'll be the first common companion

>>164788380
It's criminal for Noa to not have an SSR

>>164788308
I knew if I didn't act quick it would be another homo thread

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>first time playing
>draw Lucifer with free rolls
>feeling pretty good about that
>next few draws only pull De La Fille and Sarunan

Am I being punished?

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Siblings are precious

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>>164788479
I'll come this year with Light ele change Rackam

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5 cute facts about Zoi:
- She's a girl!
- She's a grape!
- I love her!!!!!
- Host me one!!!!!!!!!!!

Need a new guild mine is dead.

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>>164788536
>being a luckshitter
>complaining
grats on getting the cutest

Anyone has the mp3 of nemone saying happy new year? I cant find it

>>164788618
Fuck you she isn't a grape

>>164788536
Who did you betray?

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>>164788615
nope. fuck off cuckboi.

>>164788615
I forgot how deep Noa's voice was, like I didn't think it was girly, but I thought I remembered it as a young boyish sound.

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Doggos petting doggos.

>>164788687
She's a kiwi.

>>164788687
I'll believe you if you host me one

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>>164788739
How many time do I have to tell you to delete this?

What's the best way to farm anima other than daily normal/hard bosses?

Is Samurai Shodown any fun?

magna yugu
A6591FFE

>>164788741
He has a really soothing voice.

>>164789027
SS2 is literally the only good game snk ever made alongside kof 98 and 2002

>>164789242
t.spic

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>>164789182
No toot for you.

>>164789319
What did he mean by this
Name 3 other good games that snk made

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>>164789182

>>164789039
No good drop, but thanks for share.

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>>164789039
thanks anons for helping!

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>>164789039
Thank you

>>164789376
Hard mode: no Metal Slug

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>>164788749
Doggos petting danchou doggos


5* when? SR event when?

>>164789406
sorry to hear that, but thanks for the help!
>>164789457
thank you!

>>164789242
>No mark of the wolves

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>>164789543
Never ever.

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I love Jeanne!

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Dare I?

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>>164790007
>france doesn't

>>164789543
>Next Society event has Beato and Zeta trying to deal with unknown enemies making trouble for the Society
>halfway through it's revealed it's Eustace and Vaserega fucking shit up to get answers about what exactly the Society is up to
Give it to me. Give me the intrigue

>>164790336
why are these two appearing every event ?

>>164790442
anon pls

>>164790237
I still don't get this

>>164788948
Anyone can help? I want to keep visiting Yugu on a daily basis.

>>164790659
H-Help!

>>164790684
Rosamia is literally Ragna at the beginning BB

>>164790625
Just a retard. Ignore him

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am I doing this right

>>164790815
No, fuck off.

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>>164790815
No, doesn't get announced until the day of. Wait for proof. It'll be a surprise anyway.

>>164791010
Replace Vortex for Satan so you can get good rolls

>>164788807
>>164788618
>Host me one
Fuck that, post me one.

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>>164790625
>you can't trick me, Frog
It's a play on the secularism/wariness to religion in France since the revolution. Of course it'd make sense to hush-hush the woman who claimed hear directly from God and his Angels. Also the BBC report which I'm sure you've read http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38196238

>>164791010
where do i vote ?

Where is cocytus?

>>164788659
nevermind found it http://game-a5.granbluefantasy.jp/assets_en/sound/voice/3040085000_newyear1.mp3

>>164791730
I love her so much!

>>164791428
just click the newspost in game

>>164791010
Yes.

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http://game-a5.granbluefantasy.jp/assets_en/sound/voice/3040070000_20161231_navi_5.mp3

>>164788948
kill athena/odin whatever

What's the best gbfg crew to join?

>>164791010
Who the fuck is Bakura?

>>164792339
dark monk

>>164792308
None, gbfg is dead and full of cancer.

>>164792308
None

>>164788443
This has happened too many times to count.

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>>164792339
Flute man.

>>164792308
Atelier!

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Yugu HL:

CC346C3E

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>>164792064
CUTE

Grande HL fucking WHEN?

>>164792339
based monk man

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>Chev drops a ton of Harp
>Meanwhile Boat drops a lot of Spear and Harp
I-i'm okay with this

>>164792426
Somehow I doubt that you had the SSR be the literal last item in the box more than once

Can you block baha hl multicolor ougi with phalanx + cover?

>>164792307
So there is no other way than farming. Guess it's time to say goodbye to 3 Yugu runs per day. Thanks for answer regardless.

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>>164792526
>they're still missing members

>>164792919
Yes.

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chocobanana~

Luchador Djeeta please stop breaking the GW Fist, that's a legendary item.

>>164793031
Neat, thanks

>>164792981
They're only taking a break, they're coming back very soon and then we'll be the strongest again!

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Please ride on my Grandcypher

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post 10/10 designs

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>>164793456

>>164793456
8/10 for using cloth bikini instead of metal

>>164793378
>heels
> a ribbon in his hair
how is he not a fucking slut ?

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When will Cygames introduce new classes? I need a SSR dragon shota

>that one shota who was corrupted by his demon 'friend'

>>164793626
>how is he not a fucking slut ?
Because he doesn't paint his nails

>>164793641
They ruined Forte so never

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>>164793456

>>164788443
happens to all of us

you are not a snowflake

>>164793641
races*

>>164793456
You first

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newfag here, can i make a decent wind team with these ?

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>>164793456

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>>164793456

>>164793805
Sutera/Meteon/Sevilbarra is about the best you can make.

The anon with the DMM account still around? Today should be your SSR draw, right?

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>>164793456

>>164793805
sutera is the best wind sr

thats all i know

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>>164793641
I'm waiting for Liza and the Unknown Dragoon Forte in the summer. I hope they'll be an ElfSkydom out there eventually, alongside Otherworld and demon races

>>164793683
Have we seen him without his gloves on?

>>164793969
He got Sophia? I think in the last thread

>>164793976
SR > SSR > R designs desu

>>164793742
Yeah yeah, Im sure you've had the SSR be the LITERAL last item in the box

>>164793789
My 3rdwife

>>164794042
He did, and another guy got her with the New Year's ticket.
Lucky bastards.

why is this game so fucking dead?

Around what level can I do hard coop quest without leeching? I regret not clearing all the normal stages during 1/2 now.

>>164794042
I see. Thanks for telling me.

>>164794229
because you touch yourself at night.. LOL!

>>164794078
I agree with you on the weapons. But as for Rosamia herself:
SR > R > SSR

>>164793076
C-cute !

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>>164794137
3rd, I know of Andromeda?? Who's your second Perseus?

How does racemix work in GBF's universe?

>>164794229
Autists burned themselves out on the grind to 150(now 175), realised there won't be new content to use their pools on and now just log in for GW.

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>>164794041
I bet his hands are so soft from wearing gloves all the time.

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>>164794338

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youre in the club and this chick slaps your girlfriends ass

what do you do

>>164794338
like in every fictional universe, the daugther will be the race of the mum's race and the son will be of the dad, unless a human and an elf racemix then it will be an elf despised by elf, same applies to orcs but orcs/humans will be weaker but angrier than normal orcs.

>>164794229
because you wrote it then it must be so

>>164794485
zeta is not lesbian though

>>164794291
I really like her SSR, I just wish the battle pose was less stupid. The animated talismans are neat, though.

>>164794485
Take her home with us. Bea is always happy when her best friend is with us.

>>164794485
wake up

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>>164794485
Crash her ship

Hello. Wind mafia? I have something to ask

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>>164794428
I bet he shaves his legs for speed too.

>want to have meteon in my team
>darkfag
i didn't chose to be dark
>>164794679
there is nothing wrong with shaving your legs

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>>164794639
You may speak.

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>>164794485
Take your delusions back to /u/

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>>164794679
Of course! one of his hobbies/likes is weight loss. He's completely clean shaven and waxed.

>>164792526

applied, pls respond

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I want them to add him to gbf and Grimnir plus Grea

>they would ruin Grea by making her a cow and not unknown


>Baha has the best girls and boys
>GBF imported half the cast from Baha to GBF

>>164794773
>magical fashion design of overpowered buffs

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XDDDD

>>164795186
delet

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>>164795037
I don't see cute dolljoints

>>164794852
CUTE!

>>164794338
It doesn't.

>be newfag darkfag
>nrg chose me with the power of baha but absolutely no dark characters
>keep rolling trash
>only two (2) dark characters
>everything else is r trash
>my only two srrs are fire
>can't spark because there is nothing to spark
wat do

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>>164795291
Zwei is great, I love her.

>>164795394
whale

>>164794485
play a fat beat on her asscheeks and fuck her twintails

>>164795394
Make Six

>>164795465
tried, got literally nothing from 400 rolls
>>164795541
six ?

>>164795597
did you forget to use your spark or something

>>164795597
Post your characters and summons. All of them.

>>164795597
An SSR character you can earn after months of grinding. So not really an option for you right now.

>>164795821
yes

>>164795597
During GW choose the gauntlet weapon and then get 4 copies of that. Farm all the materials the game tells you to and you'll eventually get a dark character called Six. He's good for dark.

>>164795037
That guy is recent, right? For some reason, he remembers me of Noah and all the crazed puppet city, so I was thinking if it got a continuation?
Also, if Grea would be an unknown, she would be the first for Fire, or am I missing a fire unknown?
You know, with how many times rob characters are brought up here, I am impressed people haven't tried to talk about some would end up as characters. Skills, elements, races, rarities, summons, lore for them... you know, that.

>>164795914
holy shit

>>164795597
400 rolls on one account or 400 rolls over many reroll accounts?

>>164795914
LOL

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Please help me kill Yggdrasil magna, I am a weakling!
7915CF8C
Also I love Melleau!

>>164795914
That's a lie

>>164796021
one account, and rolled over 40 accounts, can say for sure rng hate me
>>164795883
i am on my phone, and i forgot my password so is basically linked to my pc
>>164795953


when is that ?

>>164795953
Outdated as hell for enmity sadly, which is the hot new meme every element strives to achieve

>>164796161
It's too late now, but you honestly could have bought a bahamut account with at least 2 good dark SSRs for at most 1/3 of the money you spent rolling.

can you all stop being retarded and replying ot obvious bait?

>>164796143
i didn't like the available characters at the time, so i wait, i didn't know they dissapear.

>>164788201
Veight IS fucking bad.

>>164796121
I just dumped bp sniping a celeste

Iggy bullying is hilariously easy tho

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>>164795321

anyone coming baha hl with other elements than light, I would like to see only HS SG, and BS

>>164796121
Thanks to everyone who came!
I wish I was as strong as you all.

>>164796364
Okay

>>164796352
I hope wind keeps getting more cute boys

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>>164796247
No

>>164794773
I want to marry Anthuria can you take care of Lyria while I do so?

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CERTIFIED SLUT

>>164796479
No, but have fun taking care of all of the other's children.

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This is Gran. He is well respected and admired by his crew.

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>>164796437
What's the point if I'm never going to use the cute boys out side of R SR teams

>>164791279
What does that have to do with Jeanne? Is this guy retarded? And I stupid for paying attention to this autist?

>>164796563
SICO

We're getting the light draph tomorrow, right?

>>164796563
You will not speak of my wife that way.

>>164796563
I will spark this.

>>164796563
SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>164796563
Metera looks really different in that picture.

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>>164796597
Even Cagliostro admires him and takes him seriously.

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I love you, /gbfg/ I can't stop thinking about you! You're important to me!

>>164796676
>Light

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>>164796597
Chaos lord is sexy.

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>>164796786

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>>164796563
wait i fucked it up

Someone host a thing.

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>>164796437
I hope so too. Especially if they're viable enough to hang when I don't have a wind team at the ready.

>>164796829
Get thee hence, whore.

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>tfw no nemoneposter to help me fap

>>164797036
>tfw granblue won't stop giving us cute free bois

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Who else /flawlesstaste/ here?

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>>164781498

I doubt you'll read this but earth erune anon is asking how he can get the /most/ out of his team. Just because he says that he doesn't care about esports doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't care about optimizing his niche.

That being said, assuming Bahamut Dagger is the only Bahamut weapon that will be used in the pool, probably the best thing earth erune anon can do with what's currently available is to have MC be a Superstar since it doesn't seem like there are any Earth Human and Erune (SSR at least to my knowledge) buffers. Sure there's SSR Eugen maybe but he's not at Korwa's, Nio's or Cock's level in terms of support but there's no getting around the fact that there's a lack of SSR Earth buffers for the races that he's gunning for (Human and Erune). And don't forget the fact that if you do care for SSR Eugen, you can't ticket him/have to spark him but that's a separate matter.

Probably the one character for an Earth Human + Erune team that sticks to me the most is Catherine as her game plan revolves around the Charm debuff which can grant her Defiance and Salted Wound and if the player has Summer Vira, all the better. (Which plays like a niche within a niche).

If anybody has any better ideas how to make this niche work then I'm all ears as I sort of became intrigued by this team as I was typing this.

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>>164797079

>>164796876
>tfw 2 months since last chev sword

>>164797135
I'm more of a King Skelly kind of guy.

>>164797135
>not lich

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>>164797079
make it count, anon

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>>164797135
I honestly hadn't meant to make this so water focused.

Ok, I have gotten each and every single class from the first 3 tiers. As an aspiring wind memer, which class should I go for now?

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>>164796972

>>164796786
This artist should just do porn of the two already

>>164797219
DIE

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>>164797135
>not lich

>>164797263
>>164797267
>>164797439
I only vote for things I have.

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Is "just ignore Malice's heads and focus her" a fucking meme
After failing miserably and not getting her below 90% doing that, I get her to 40%, use an elixer, and kill her by killing both heads first at rank 49

>>164797405
Can't. He is now a proper mangaka now. Can't do his rape rape rape doujins anymore.

>>164797184
>>164797323
y-yes thank you !

is it bad i want a grand order?

>>164797606
yes

>>164797558
You're really fucking pathetic, you know nemo

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>>164797135
right here

>>164797646
I know c-continue !

Finally got 3k crystals. When is the next legfest?

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>>164797135

>>164797804

>3k
>not 90k

lmao

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>>164797701
Why?

>>164797804
Feb

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>>164797558
Cute.

>>164795959
I'm looking forward to the Overworld arc and currently slooowly chugging my way through story. Nothing really concrete on how RoB characters will be integrated yet. I need to see Arriet's Fates too. Hear she's in the works with Walfrid and he's a Luminary Knight iirc, could we see Amalia, Reno and others of the Shining Knights. working for him or the other Lum knights... This upcoming Society event looks pretty good for lorewise, travelling around with a scholar afterall. Whatever we see with Grea she'd prob have Anne pop up somehow maybe a skill upon enmity. Anne coming to bail her out when she's under 25%hp

>>164797773
No I won't, you waste of space, it's not worth my time

Fucking disgusting
nemo

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>>164797701
Richard and De La Fille a cute but why Ezecrain?

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>>164797532
always do the opposite of what gbfg says

>>164797906
>>164798206
t-thank you nemoneposters!!

>>164798386
Don't use De La Fille, she's shit!

>>164796479
>trying to marry my wife
Nani?

>>164798386
Don't buy me a spark's worth of origin crystals!

Someone post that picture of gran treasuring his yoda

>>164798391
Finished already?

Someone post that preggo bea pic. You know, that one.

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Just MVP your boat RNG.

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>>164796451
>>164797079
>>164797184
>>164797323
>be f2p
>always thought that Nemone is the cutest, but don't have good earth team nor motivation to spend money
>give up with gbf for a while, because fuck my luck
>suddenly Eustace, Cog and Sara roll in like five days
>dirt is my only element with more than 2ssr now
>temptation to ticket her getting stronger every day
Rolling waifu sounds more romantic than buying her and she's redundant right now, because I have Sieg and my weapon pool is far from optimal. On the other side her cuteness sucking me in and I really don't know if I can handle it. I don't know what to do~.

>>164798226
Siete counts as a proxy for the red man?

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>>164798630

>>164798602
y-y-yes !

Who is your favorite cow?

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>>164798715
It's only 3000 yen, anon! Is she not worth that much to you?

>>164798774
That's pretty pathetic

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>>164797135
Not really flawless, but it will do.

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>>164796612
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc
>"It's only fitting that modern France, a child of the barbaric revolution, devalued their spirituality and tradition so hard they're now being conquered by a group of people who did not." t. anon

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>>164798715
>Thought she is the cutest
>No motivation to spend money

I find your lack of resolve disturbing.

>>164798774
Cute. I want to cuddle you.

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>>164796876
>tfw want to get chaos ruler for the edgy outfit but don't want to waste all the resources

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>>164797135
Not my votes but I was tempted to do so

>get 4 of a kind
>double up
>get to round 9 with no draws
>nice I'm gonna be rich
>king
>go low
>ace
Fuck offfffff

Thank you for reading my blog

Someone post that picture please thank you

>>164796909
why is her ssr so slut

>>164798715
>There are people that bought their waifu
She's a literal whore.

If you didn't roll your waifu you don't have the right to have her.

Post that cute girl picture. You know the one.

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>>164799194

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>>164797135
I want a bara summon that isn't Shitlance.

>>164799130
>Deciding on your waifu before getting to know her

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>>164799070
sorry, I only have the slots one

>>164799130
That's not it at all, anon
Jiita just found the weapon at a market and decided to buy it, and then this character turned up by complete coincidence

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>>164798715
>Not ticketing Waifu
You don't deserve her desu.

>>164799375
>not sparking your waifu
pssssh

>>164797148
"earth erune anon" here. Thanks for your input.

So I guess I have to accept that there's not much buff wise with the races I'm "restricted" eh?

I suppose if I can make an exception and throw in Mahira like Wind teams do with Nio?

When's the next scam gacha? I need one more gold moon and I don't want to wait till next month.

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>>164798715
>be f2p newfag
>roll nemo as my second SSR
>grow to love her
>hate most nemoneposters because they're just fapfags with a different skin
It's painful to watch threads like these.

>>164799621
DELET THIS!!

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>>164799621

>>164798715
I'm gonna ticket her, dismantle her gun, make her my star unit with "cumdump" as my message and backline her in every one of my parties.
You weak willed cuck.

>>164799569
There's always Cagliostro. She can only buff at level 100, but she's a human.

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>>164799726
>her gun

>>164799621
>>164799713
ONE OF US

>>164799726
I like the way you think.

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>>164799621
>>164799713

Why is fapfags a term.

>>164799726
Noo you won't. Double dog dare ya. :^)

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>>164799846
5* Sochie with new hairstyle when?

>>164799864
it's catchy and fun to say, which is more than you can say about terms like "cuckfag" and "waifufag"

homoposters are blessed by the fact that 'homofag' and 'fagfag' are too stupid to catch on

>>164800002
>it's catchy and fun to say,

It's fucking stupid is what it is.

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>>164800002
>it's catchy and fun to say

>>164799993
Maybe then Sochie won't be fucking ugly to look at.

>>164799864
Unironically, newfags. Posting doujins was never an issue with some autists until recently when they tried to force their new meme.

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>>164800002
>it's catchy and fun to say

>>164799864
Cause fapfaging is shit

>>164800073
why do you hate fun

C5C3AD70
proto baha

free MVP because I am garbage

>>164799864
because they are cancer like >164800145 and deserve to be labeled as such

>>164798839
If you ask me - she's worth much more!

>>164798897
It was more about lack of direction. I didn't had that much bad luck in rolls, but my only solid element few weeks ago was wind, with two mediocre ssr and Aster being best sr. I couldn't find motivation even to play and I just log in to grab daily stuff and meme roll when I could. Now I found my reason to play and things changed a little bit.

>>164799130
>whore
Rude.
Also for me it's a little other way around. You see, I don't have that much ssr but already rolled dupe twice. It would be to painful to me ticket her and then roll her few days later - not because I wasted money, but because I wasn't patient enogh to wait for her.

Gilgamesh from 90c.

I now only have 3 summon SSRs: Whale and 2 Gilgamesh

No one will ever be my friend :(

>>164799993
>new hairstyle
Good god why would you mess with perfection?

>>164800206
Too bad that I just blew my load over tia and don't want to eat berries.

>>164800002
How is fagfag an option? Fagfags are cigarette enthusiasts.

>>164800239
Reddit, quoting works like this >>164800145 not this >164800145.

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>>164800303
Hm? What was that? Can you elaborate?

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>SSR Lancelot new year dialogue is plain and boring
>Event SR Lancelot's is straight up fucking weird
Save me. Being a Lancelot fan is suffering

Ferry is for reproduction.

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>>164799846
>>164799993
I just did Yuel's 5* fate and now I want to ticket Sochie. She's cute and her and Yuel apparently have interactive lines.

Now, I play water mainly, so if I were to ticket her would it be better to get her water version since she'd be better, even if I wouldn't use her much, or to ticket her fire version to go with Yuel even though I don't really play fire?

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>>164800270
>If you ask me - she's worth much more!
So then ticket her the next chance you get, silly!
Gao, gao!

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>>164800442
What are you talking about? His New Years lines are pretty great.

https://twitter.com/0xg5492m38r092t/status/817408156221329408
w a t e r

>>164800551
Water Sochie isn't very good and Fire Sochie is solid.

>>164800442
>Operation Lancelard

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>>164797135

>>164800595
KATSUN

>>164800551
>Should I get the trash socie instead of the Socie that's in the same element as Yuel and a straight upgrade

:thinking:

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Percy likes Bisho a best

>>164800667
I meant better because I'd have a pool to support her. But okay, I guess. I really would have to ticket both eventually to complete the fate episodes, but I can start with Fire.

>>164800595
Don't be an attention whore Katsun. We have enough faggots here already.

Why does Sochie have two versions? What warranted this?

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>>164800854
>>164800741
Why do you do this every single time.

>>164800667
she does her job just fine, debuffer/healer
also she can attack :^)

>>164800595
I knew Katsun was a Lanlanfag.

>>164800902
How new are you to this game? Serious question.

>>164800902
The worst elements have to suffer her ugliness.

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>>164800902
Why does Jeanne have two versions? What warrented this?

Why does Sarunan have two versions? What warrented this?

Why does Lucius have two versions? What warrented this?

>>164800902
Sochie is cute!

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>>164800912
Because not cropping out yor name is like begging to be bullied. Post id

>>164800595
wct?

>>164800002
>homofag is too stupid to catch on
Welcome to 4Chan newfriend! If I might offer some advice, it would be best for you to lurk for two years before posting again.

>>164800902
¥¥¥

>>164801062
Very.
>>164801087
Yes, I'm also curious about these cases.

>>164801164
>Why does Metera have two versions?
>Why does Sutera have two versions?
>Why does Kumuyu have two versions?
>Why does Jeanne have two versions?
>Why does Sarunan have two versions?
>Why does Io have THREE VERSIONS IN THREE ELEMETS?

Because why the fuck not?

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NEW DARK CONTENT CYGAMES?

This anti-dark bias needs to fucking stop.

>>164801162
But Sochie is not popular? Why didn't they just make a different element version of Ferry?