/poeg/ - Path of Exile general

ES is overpowered

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Sum up "Hardcore" in PoE with a single picture

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>>164574858
I have a selfcast Elementalist, but this is my problem:

Crit with 6 powercharges, +200% critchance on first hit, ignore resistances, damage from consecrated ground and sulfur flask

or

dipping into negative resists with -25 pen from elementalist, -50 from elemental equilibrium, -37 from fire pen -44% from flammability.

Negative resists give multipicitive damage, and i can elemental overload with it, or i go crit and crit multi for spells

>>164574843
Health is overpowered

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>>164575252
What are some HEALTHY builds?

>>164575245
You don't even take the consecrated ground nodes, senpai. You get an extra socket because you don't have to invest into penetration so you use it on crit.

It basically comes down to whether you want to go crit or not. If you want to go crit, you go totems and inquisitor because the excellent crit wheel totems get pushes it over the edge. If you want to go all in on double dipping ignites, you go elementalist and get a ton of pen.

You do wind up getting well into the negatives of resists, but at the end of the day you're basically playing a ranged CoC vortex build.

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>my ek is is great clearing speed
>somehow its single target feels piss poor

>>164575349
those builds are 2lewd for this place

>>164575090
>prime time
>servers shit themselves

Everyday on EU.
Where are the new servers, Chris ? Are you keeping them with those trading improvements you spoke of ?

>>164575674
buy more mtx

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>>164475508
>free
>>164477659
>Free
>>164549401
>FREE

>>164576119
Hey my freedom doesn't belong in there

>>164576012
But I already bought stash tabs, Chris.
Have mercy.

Wait a minute, are you serious with this ??? So, my friend told me that if you buy a mystery box you have extremely high chances to get something you ALREADY HAVE ?? For what ??? LOL ! You MUST change this, it's simply COMMON SENSE that NOBODY would buy something they already have, IN MY EYES that's stealng money from the players, very sorry, FIX THAT A.S.A.P or I am not gonna spend A DIME with this game. No defende whatsover, this is stupidly unfair IN ALL WAYS ! This is real cash.

You can make it mystery, no problem, but REPLICATE what you already have ? Simply never in freaking hell, for me that's stealing money from players in every single way and incredibly stupid.

And if you agree with this, you must be unbelievably stupid, would you buy 3 of the same houses ?

And when I mean incredibly stupid, I mean that no one can ever surpass your absolute stupidity,
furthermore if I was a judge I would consider all this criminal because it's similar to other scams.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, SIMPLE. And if not, not even ANOTHER DIME comes out of players.

>>164576260
this pasta is some good satire

>>164576173
>stash tabs
that's not enough
check out the daily sale: Demon king horns for only 125 Points. that's a 50% sale!

>>164575505
Right, so my orb of storms is just crit chance powercharge on crit.

the consecrated ground nodes give total elemental status ailments debuff and castspeed tho, or would you rather Instruments of Virtue and then shieldcharge/whirling blades around ?

>>164577102
>Instruments of Virtue and then shieldcharge/whirling blades around
This. You shouldn't be walking anyways.

>>164577102
The ridiculous attack speed bonus from instruments of virtue feels really really good whirling around. The other node is like +2 max res to you and your allies, and also a 16% more multiplier because you're not getting any other enemies take increased damage effects iirc.

I came back to the game after not playing for a couple of years. My main was a LS duelist. Is this build still viable or is it too difficult to pick up needed nodes in the current passive tree?

>>164577416
I mean, it's still doable, but there isn't any real reason to play Duelist anymore if you're bent on playing LS, there are better ascendancies for that, and ascendancy choice is basically the most important factor in your build.

>I just came back after 5 years, can I still play my old ass build and expect it to work?
Don't really understand this mentality, by the way

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is my toon cute poeg

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>>164577752
not as cute as mine

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>>164577689
I'm more worried about not using all this gear I have left. I've got this sword, legacy Kaom, alpha howl and some decent rares filling out the rest of my slots... What could I build with this stuff?

>>164577997
That sword is worse than a 1 alch unique now.

Lightning Strike is hella outdated now. It's really bad.

>>164578235
sheeeeeit

>>164577997
>>164578248
Also Alpha's howl is super cheap now since snapshotting is gone.

Legacy kaom's is worth a decent bit though, around 250ex.

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>>164577328
Pious Path gives 25% attk/cast speed
Cures status ailements
4% mana and ES regen

Instruments of Virtue gives
30% spell damage
30 castspeed
20 attackspeed

imo Pious Path clears up flask space, and gives indirect alot of damage/utility. I guess its just preference

>>164578868
4 point investment vs 2

so you are also giving up penitence bonuses

>>164578868
It doesn't actually cure status ailments, just prevents it. If you pop a sulphur flask after you get frozen, you stay frozen. And since you aren't hitting things yourself, you're not creating much free consecrated ground, so it's basically entirely what you get from sulphur flasks which is a pretty small area, and if you're dashing around constantly, you're pretty much never going to be on consecrated ground. The upside of putting flameblast on a totem is that you don't have to stand still. No reason to bait yourself into standing still anyways.

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>>164579225
you are right, the consecrated ground is pretty restrictive in that sense

>>164579178
I guess the pentinence ''less'' modifier is really valuable.

Thanks boys, the consecrated ground ascendancy path seemed interesting with the double 40% damage from sulfur flasks, I guess the alternatives are more valuable especially in hardcore

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FUG

>>164579813
The big thing about augury of penitence is that it's actually a more modifier. There's incredibly few enemies TAKE increased damage effects in the game, so since you're not getting any other increaseds to stack with it, it's a more.

>>164578868
>>164579813
Penitence is effectively a more multiplier because it affects the damage taken by a mob, which happens after the "damage done by player" calculation, it's 16% more damage that you give up for pious path.
While you can use a flask to create consecrated ground the last thing you want is get hit on average 4 times by a boss and stand still for 8s to benefit from a meager bonus.

With penitence + virtue you get your buffs 100% of the time when you press a button, without any additional restriction, and you stay mobile on top of that.

>>164577102
>Right, so my orb of storms is just crit chance powercharge on crit.

your orb of storms should be linked with crit chance / curse on hit / flammability

>>164580804
The "critical strikes ignore elemental resistances" node overrides any elemental penetration you may have or any -res you may inflict, making flammability useless.

>>164580804
I have in the Elementalist Flameblaster to pror Elemental Overload, but in crit totem Inquisitor I need some form of powercharge generation

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there's like ten poopbirds in the guild right now

>buy item for half of all my currency
>realize its corrupted and useless to me after the trade
>sell it back for the same price 3 hours later

phew

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>>164581428
>buyer whispers me right now as he realized its corrupted and he wants his money back
>mfw

>>164581030
any dot damage inflicted is still affected by res, at least as I understand it

What if they got rid of passive skills, Items and gems?

Like you go in a room, you hold double strike you do 1x damage, you use ground slam you do 0.5x damage

y/n

>>164581603
also the chance to ignite is still value, altho crits always ignite

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>there will never be a gamemode in which you help an army of vaal vessels invade oriath, where you need to keep them alive and moving across an entire map and how fast they move depends on how fast you help them kill shit

>there will never be a game mode in which you ride a rhoa for +100% movespeed and you gain Rhoa Charge skill for the duration

>>164581739
What if they got rid of your brain and replaced it with poop?

WAIT

THEY ALREADY DID

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>play FB IB last league
>was great
>wanna roll it again
>don't want to play the same build twice on principle, or level again

>>164582835
guess it cant be helped, you better kill yourself over it

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>>164583017
I try but i just keep coming back

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:3

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Why can't HC trade directly with SC?

>>164583510
because HC economy is pure and untainted and should stay that way.

>>164583745
i wish we could say the same about your mother

>>164583510
Why are you retarded?

http://poeplanner.com/AAQAAQUVAwCA-d1PBEPIW6CnVXwOaPIYXa3xwGZFRzLR6-58g6eUXl3R_QSzogDwH6cI2CQ2xYVt1YEk2IPzRKGuErE2Tq6vbAthxq48LYPMtz7-Cti9NZL-j03jplc64fJFtfJuqmSEBqD5vUrIEMwrtoxG-JN7IP6H4XOaO5_f73w8Be081aaCm-w4hXtmVDrYJy-QVRo4lG9yD2aeWOUqE1oro_IWQIV9HwIEB4PbVcY6WEyzIG5QMNte0B_v60V-Dlxq-peVUlM9X5f0bRkI9MBUakPa3a6zQZbQ9R0UjmT3prb6na4DdZErWHdfBINfj0YFQiycApbSfJJuvFaouQxS7WGcewAAAAAA

shan't be clicking your virus

>>164584040
>120 points
>130% increased life

Shit nigga what are you doing

Only just figured out pious path's 4% mana reg is base mana effected by increased mana reg mods, any real use for this other than kitava builds? Would be shit in the current CI VP facetank meta, but having a shitload of mana regen and 35% MoM with a corrupt helm could be strong someday.

http://poeurl.com/YSN
So gonna go with dual curses, perhaps dual obliteriation wand and CoE.
Going KB for trash with chaos explosions all over the place and barrage for bosses.
Do you guys think it's doable ?

>>164585027
Kripp did something like this and it worked so you can check that out for a point of reference. I wouldn't waste my time going to templar for some bad spell damage nodes

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Dual wielding shields when

>>164586263
>Advancing fortress
it's shit

>let's give spellcasters fortify because fuck you
>fortify's quality increases fortify duration instead of damage because fuck you twice

Question for all y'all niggas: doing the pentagolem primordial might build. Are lightning golems viable, or should I really just stick with fire?

Also, elementalist or Necromancer? necro has higher stats and more nodes that affect my golems, but elementalist has elemental damage immunity and an extra golem.

>want to spectral throw
>every build known to man says "use howa, lol"
>aint got that shit, and I'm a solo self-found only cunt
the horror

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:^)

>ssf
>in rng simulator: the game

>playing ssf
>when you need to look up builds

>>164587316
5 chaos such wow much currency

>>164586263
fucking source right now

dumb meme poster

>>164588226
I could be wrong but it looks like this guy's stuff
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=kuro_chairo_no_neko

>>164587091
necro is overall better because of desecrate and way more minion damage.

Just REEEEEPED my hc chieftain, fuck totems

Give me selfcast ideas. Preferably in cold or thunder flavors, i'm done with pizzablast for a long while

>finally start doing the chaos recipe at lvl 80 after not being able to because I only had 4 stashes
>absolutely rolling in dosh

this feels sorta broken

>>164589140
>chaos recipe at lvl 80
so the regal recipe?

>>164589321
I just throw in a lvl 70 ammy/ring and it gives me 2 chaos instead

>>164586563
>change fortify to apply to any attack made within 30 units of its target
>lower fortify duration to 2 seconds
>fortify refreshes on all attack hits made within 30 units, not just skill supported by gem

wow I did it I fixed game, hire me chris wilson

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help me poeg should I slam this bad boy?

>>164589140
Wait until you stop doing it and use the extra grinding time from not picking up garbage to loot more currency/valuable uniques/good bases and the extra stash space to sell said stuff, now that's broken.

There are loads of good leveling weapons for melee, but the only one I know of for caster is lifesprig, what are some caster uniques for higher level I can get?

>>164589140
>I only had 4 stashes
the fuck are you doing, get more asap

>>164590291
Axiom Perpetuum for crit and maybe Reverberation Rod for echo.

What about Wither CWC Poison Golems

y/n

>>164590291
divinarius realmender

>>164590089
>kill a twinned map with 3 bosses
>load up 5 sets of everything but rings/ammys and port back and stash them
>takes less than 1 minute total
>whenever you get enough rings and ammys take out a set and sell it, takes 5 secs

wow dude, that 1 minutes saving per hour

>>164590089
took ya long to show up

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>kill boss adds
>beyond pack spawns
>explodes boss corpse instantly
>one shot from 10k

nice game poetards, really

>>164590828
>takes less than 1 minute total

in that 1 minute you could instead have cleared another shaped strand and made more currency from map drops alone

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>>164591551
>Shield: 9039
>10k

>>164591798
auras turn off when you're dead retard

animeposters are fucking dumb

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>>164591551
>im not the only one who makes chars based on their lines

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how come stone golem doesn't regen its own hp

>>164591551
hardcuck gets triggered by well known mechanics kripp died to 3 years ago

>>164592080
I've never seen such a smart catpost desu.

>>164592029
basically a case of water is wet

>>164592108
retard

>>164588510
Cool. Any idea if lightning golems would work? I just like them more than fire golems for some reason.

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>Have to play the game 3 (three) times for the game to actually begin
>Have to level 68 (sixty-eight) levels for the game to actually begin
>Have to complete the labyrinth 3 (three) times for the game to actually begin

Fun game guys

>>164592653
just go play a moba and have everything reset at the end of the match

>>164590556
>poison golems
what did he mean by this?

>>164592996
Something using that chayula sword thing i guess

mathil is gonna use hegemony's era
better buy them all up and resell for profit

When are they going to fix Refund Points so you don't need a buffer to reallocate points if you cut off a section

>>164592941
Suck my cock dude

>>164591581
This is unreliable as shit but chaos recipe is 100% guaranteed

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:^)

>Tfw too dumb for HC
>tfw not dumb enough to not know SC is shit

>>164594085
>running maps is an unreliable way to farm currency lol
>better pick up large amounts of vendor trash so you can get exchange a whole inventory full of items for a single chaos ;)

so this.. is the power... of /poeg/...

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so this... is the power... of mathil...

>list an item
>no whispers for a good while
>suddenly 2-3 three guys whisper about the same item

wtf is this, it happens so often too

>>164592653
>for the game to actually begin
there's your problem. The game isn;t supposed to be only fun for the end game. Hell, I usually feel like making another alt when I'm lv85~ or so and at red maps.

Why would the magisters of Oriath building a fucking Aquaduct in Wraeclast when they don't give a shit about it

>>164594514
poe.trade takes some time to register shop updates

>>164594485
If you can reliable farm 2 chaos per minute, you can make 600 chaos in 5 hours of game time. This is what reliable mean you absolute dumb fuck. Just cause you can get lucky and have a mirror drop for you doesn't mean your method is reliable retard fuck.

Please fucking put on a trip so I can filter your stupid ass forever.

maybe softcore isn't that bad

>>164586394
It's also not a shield.

>tfw can't dual wield Aegis and Prism Guardian

>>164594490
He should just start declaring builds but never making them, to stop these trolls.

>>164594952
Its not a shield but it was clearly the intention of the designer to make a d/w shield, and this is what he got.

Whats the best way to reliably tank/kill Uber Izaro?

Block Juggy? Block Glady? Totem Chief?

What should we call the "chaos recipe is bad" poster? He needs a name for the amount of his level of dedicated autismo posting. I think cockposter sounds good.

>>164595309
I propose retard

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>people selling whispering ice for 1 alc
>when it vendors for 1 alc and 3 alt shards

>>164595202
Marauder EQ with 8-9 Endurance Charges. The only combo that can give you trouble is Charges + Conduits.

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>>164586458

>>164595195
How does the extra block chance on it work if you also have a shield? Does it just add to your total, or do you get 2 block rolls or something?

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39/40 challenges

guess which ones left

if I don't reroll and hit 100 without finding this faggot i'm gonna be salty

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>>164595681
She's clearly just sleeping though.
Needs more suffering.

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>>164595865

>animeniggers posting again

i genuinely want you faggots to just die. if i had a gun and the opportunity to execute every single one of you, i would do it without a moment of hesitation, and i wouldn't feel a shred of guilt or remorse. i would sleep like a baby that night knowing that your blood was on my hands.

>complaining about anime
>on a malaysian drawing image board

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>>164596074

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>>164596074

>want to make cast speed build using spark and orb of storms to make the whole screen flash
>start leveling with freezing pulse and ice nova
>it feels so good I want to make an ice nova build instead now
Welp.

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>>164595865
>>164595681
>>164586458
hi anime

What is "catposting"?

>>164596074
>no capital letters
Kill yourself, retard.

stopping the eugenics movement was a mistake

>>164596332
i hope ur mom dies of cancer, retard catposter

>>164596334
Making your retarded opinions and ideas known accompanied by a picture of a cat

my mom died over 15 years ago

if she could see who you are today, she'd be ashamed

>>164595618
heh, can reach 8 charge easy with my block glady, so i'll try with him first to get a feel of it

how can you be smug about an obsession with cartoon characters

mental instability is a dangerous thing

>>164596834
you forgot your cat

You guys play poe and dont even reach lvl cap LMAO.

>>164596863
the sheer fact you are confusing me catposter furthers my point anon

seek professional help

whats the difference between level 100 and level 99 anyway

>>164596873
baked has probably the most level 100s in poe and look what happened to him
poor guy commited suicide

Anyone got a lvl 8 zana for rent? ign aintnice

zana isn't that type of girl
fucking retard

>>164597074
Reaching 100 showed him the truth to this world
Anyone would kill himself after finding out

i don't want to kill myself
but i also don't want to live anymore

>>164597006
anyone who knows me knows i'm only retarded and post cats ironically anyway

Pierce LA or chain LA?

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why?

Any reveals on what act 5 will be about out yet?

any lacerate pros here? whats better for a 1h crit build (yes its probably trash but im trying to have fun late in the league), conc effect or increased aoe support? or just skip altogether and add another red support like added fire

Im trying to calc how much this build would cost/buy some of the pieces now

>>164598023
inc aoe for trash, conc for bosses

>>164590556
CWC doesn't ignore the cooldown of the skill.

are the people listing vaal haste for 5 vaal orbs trolling or something? they've been there for weeks and none of them ever respond

t. new player

>>164597354
>zana isn't that type of girl
She let's lots of people visit her untainted paradise, though.
And I'm fairly certain she likes to invite her friends into her tainted paradise, too.

What's a good looking bow? Voltaxic is basic as fuck.

>>164597354
He just wants to borrow the upgrade station

>>164593445
When you know you gotta reallocate you plan ahead and connect it while leveling and then take out the points.

>>164598093
how would you rate conc vs added fire for bosses/in general? trying to buy a chest with the sockets precolored

>>164598396
added fire is much worse because it gives less damage and the damage it gives is mitigated by monsters' resists

How much time played do you guys usually have when you're in merc dried lake? I usually get 15+ hours even though I have tabula and some leveling gear and know what to avoid doing, but still I'm slow.

>>164599000
7hours

>>164599079
How? How many levels below the zones are you?

>>164598336
Storm Cloud/Tempest
Iron Commander

>>164598196
Price manipulation

Why can fire only be converted to chaos and none of the other elements? Why does just straight out class the others? Why does frost suck?

tornado shot deadeye ranger gud?

>>164600337
gud enough to clear maps, uber lab and uber atziri
dont know for suer about guardians and shaper, but should work out ok too

>>164600236
Because the engine would shit itself if conversion wasnt one way
So its Phys -> Light -> Ice -> Fire -> Chaos

>>164600236
>Why can fire only be converted to chaos and none of the other elements?
let's say you could convert in both directions
you have two effects:
50% of fire damage converted to cold
50% of cold damage converted to fire

how much of fireball's damage is cold?

>>164584821
They should change pious path so that you spread consecrated ground for four seconds on recent critical strikes or something so that its always under you to make it more competitive with the other options.

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>>164600236

>>164594896
>implying you get ammy or ring drops every minute

You some sort of streamer? cuz there's no way that RnG is real

>>164600236
>Why does just straight out class the others?
What?
>Why does frost suck?
Because stuffing the game full of functionally useless spells, mechanics and items is GGGs favorite thing in the world.

>>164600236
Cold and lightning sucks because there is no meaningful means to further scale them, get a shock? thats as much as your gonna get. GGG also hates cold since the time when you could ele prolif freeze lock bosses with that skill... i can't even remember the name of, it uses power charges.

>>164601368
ummm, like, what is PEMDAS you fuckers? How does GGG not understand simple fucking math

it would be 75/25 if you were at least somewhat familiar with 3rd grade.

>>164577752

>toon

GET THE FUCK OUT.

>>164578426

>since snapshotting is gone

It should have not existed to begin with.

is there a way to apply auras without messing up my skill bar every time

>>164602067
this has nothing to do with PEMDAS, you're just saying math things while arbitrarily applying conversion effects in a certain order.

>>164582302

>paid league

Just send an email to Chris along with cheque for 2000$.

>>164602054
Shock is a 50% MORE Multiplier though
The problem is everyone gets it with VLT and Vinktars

>>164602415
>equationis starts with x fire dmg converted to cold
>then result is converted back to fire
>arbitrary order

it takes a special kind of idiot to be this obtuse

>get +2 barrage proj on my almost perfect devoto's devotion


im rich bois.........its that ez

>>164602936
Who decides that it starts with that?

>>164601368

Which conversion is calculated first in the algorythm?

>>164600236

Not to say GGG are inept, greedy and dishonest, but...

>>164602971
>>164603061
Obviously it figures out the largest conversion to do first, and then it goes down the total amount converted

fated upgrade to oro's sacrifice that ignites even ignite-immune enemies when?

>>164602936
50% of fire damage convert to cold
50% of cold damage convert to fire

start at 100% fire damage
go to 50/50, then 75/25, but you have to convert again because conversion happened before so 37.5/62.5 etc etc

so you're either stuck with:
1. infinite loop
2. completely arbitrary order of how things are converted

this is why you can't convert certain things to certain other things. The order is this:
Physical -> Lightning -> Cold -> Fire -> Chaos

>>164603224
If the ZiggyD Rory interview is anything to go by, you'll probably get some unique that lets ignite pen ignite immune bosses but then with a huge drawback... enjoy

>>164602594
That was my point, there is no point to lightning since everyone else can get its major bonus for free. It was somewhat more effective when it stacked because it rewarded high shock / crit chance.

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Lets see how this goes guys

>>164603472
Why not just a 1 time conversion for each skill gem

>>164603760
which essences are worth dropping a remnant on?
i got one lying around in my stash and want to use it, but essence mobs in maps are rare and i don't want to waste it on some sub screaming shit either

>>164603876
Any of the map only essences
Triple screaming

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Disappointing.

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>blow several hundred chances/scours
>finally get.... THIS

FUCK
I CANT EVEN SCOUR IT, NOW I NEED TO FIND ANOTHER PAIR OF BOOTS

JUST GIVE ME MY FUCKING SKYFORTH ALREADY

>>164604010
wtf are you doing retard

>>164604010
I hope this is bait, no one can be this retarded to scour and chance conjurer boots

>>164604010
Genius bait
*nods respectfully towards you*

Holy shit this is broken, have a lvl 21 skill gem connected to a lvl 4 empower in +1 to socketed gems chest. Fucking lvl 26 skill wew lad. Shame empower doesn't work with support gems would be abit ridiculous

>>164604176
>Figuring out a combo that has been around for 4 years

Is it possible to link jewels you're using in your passive tree on the official forums like you link normal items?

>>164602971
> using a skill called fireball
> it deals fire damage
> hurt which conversion do I do first

Since you can't first convert cold to fire on a fire skill, it's pretty obvious what would be converted first.

Yup are literally an retard and so is ggg for not having a priority system for conversion that allows multiple use cases

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>mfw buying a carcass jack for the first time
>LITERALLY designing good items unplayable without skins on purpose so people buy shit

i hate these fucking faggot ass jew developers so fucking much i honestly hope their office gets bombed

>>164603669
fuck that, my build already uses 5 uniques

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joining the league kinda late but

>gonna play with my friends who are new and suck
>gonna play softcore since they're gonna die repeatedly

whats a build that is fun but only works effectively in shitcore?

>>164605219
life based flicker strike

>>164605219
any vaal pact glass cannon build

>>164604857
>what is added cold damage to spells

>>164604857
you're talking about running a full-blown algorithm with an if-then structure every single time damage is dealt, that has massive overhead costs that would slow the game down worse than you can imagine.

furthermore it falls apart with added ____ damage that makes it deal both types and then the question of what comes first becomes arbitrary again.

>>164605164
how do shitty graphic skins make the game unplayable

found a unid'd catacombs map

first time seeing a unique map, I should just run these for the atlas completion bonus right? anything special I should know about unique maps or nah

>>164606850
look up the map first some have specific rules you should know before going in, like oba's

>>164606850
Catacombs is... Olmec's?

Each unique map has a gimmick, some of them are pretty tough, most are a cakewalk. Olmec's is solid latter category, just complete each wing then smack the big totem in the central chamber when you're done.

>>164605219
>>164605630
I would like to start this off by saying that this is in no way a post that is meant to talk about softcore vs hardcore in terms of which is better. Everyone plays PoE in their own way, and I totally respect that.
What this post does talk about however, is a middle ground player like myself who plays softcore but with a harcore mentality. What does this mean? It means that when I approach a build I am far more concerned about my character staying alive and having very low deaths, then I am playing glass cannon. Again this is just a playstyle choice.
Medium core players will have more life on tree, and opt for safer builds, also we approach the playstyle a little slower and we are not even afraid to logout just for good mechanical practice.
I have been playing PoE for over 3 years (since beta) and in that time I have never been able to play hardcore. I have always had unreliable internet, and for whatever reason PoE has FPS spikes on my computer. Additionally I have a family (3 young children), who cannot be ignored while playing. I have tried hardcore but have had too many deaths that were related to the above factors.
I wanted to reach out to other players who approach the game like me, and be able to share thoughts about how to play the "Medium Core" playstyle effectively.
So to get the discussion going, I would like to ask you how much room you give yourselves in terms of Survivablity vs decisions to use items like Abyssus. I am currently playing a Crit Reaver in Breach, and I am trying to make Abyssus work while mitigating as much physical damage as possible. But I always find these kinds of things challenging because, I hate having my characters life spike. Obviously I dont play hardcore, but I watch hardcore streamers to try to see how they can both prioritize defenses while having good clear speeds. Thank you all!

Are there any good summoner items before level 60+? Specifically for leveling

>>164605934
You can still define which conversions happen first and allow them to happen in both directions. The calculation only needs to happen once. Why would damage conversion be calculated with every hit? That's retarded. Calculate all modifiers out of combat and update them when gear or passive change. Then the only thing left is to check for a crit

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*flips table*

>>164607398
lifesprig + levelling spell

>>164607464
>Calculate all modifiers out of combat and update them when gear or passive change.
BECAUSE NO EFFECTS POP UP DURING A BATTLE THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR DAMAGE IN ANY WAY
fucking retard

>>164607398
get a queens decree or something
or just get a lifesprig and use a good spell for leveling instead of minions

>>164607740
stop arguing with someone who cant even comprehend c++

>>164607636
>All his videos from the last week are HoWA
???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOz88Txf0xA

when you're so fast the lab traps can't even damage you

>Fire is always calculated first
>Cold Second
>Lightning Third
>Phys fourth
wow so #hard much #work

>>164607932
1300 hp at uber izaro, jesus christ.
props to him lmao it's pretty impressive.

>>164607763
srs + meleesplash + minion damage on a reverberating rod is perfectly fine until early mapping

>607740
Pray tell dear friend what combat effect happens in this game which would impact dog conversion? Onslaught? Frenzy? Atziris? Toh? Vinktars? Most things that happen in combat are multipliers to dmg or added dmg. I actually can't think of one example where this would be a problem

> hurr you don't understand programming, it's too hard to do what you are asking wahhhh.

Why are yippie programmers so dumb? Every one I've met complains about how impossible things are to do then gets btfo at realizing they just suck at math and can't think pragmatically at all.

You guys are a fucking joke. Might as well have gone to school for vagina studies

>>164607852
HoWA is still only 8 chaos however.

>>164608057
>50% fire to cold
>doesn't actually convert 50% of your fire damage to cold
i prefer how it currently works

>>164608057
>physical to lightning conversion is now impossible

great job

>>164608716
No? its still possible its just the last to happen

>>164608483
Frenzy charges giving cold damage with horror essence
Power charges giving cold damage with tul wand

or better yet, since we're talking about adding damage with charges

discharge

free

>>164608483
how long have you been interning with google?

>>164608784
Keep track of max charges?? Calculate ahead of time how much each instance would do. When a hit is made check for how many of each charge existed at the of hit. Dmg was already prefactored and no further calculation would need to be made.

Wow. so. Fucking. Hard

>>164608781
>lightning damage gets calculated before physical damage has been calculated
now how the fuck are you gonna do a x% phys to lightning if you dont even know the value of phys damage that has been dealt

>excited about build
>dread leveling it
every time

>>164609121
Um, conversion happens before dmg is dealt?

>>164609175
Going through the same shit/skipping the same shit 3 times is the main problem.

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stop dying pls

>>164608781
>base value is calculated the last

WELL DONE RETARD

>>164609119
>dude just precalculate all possible damage calculations ahead of time lmao
wew lad

>>164609371
It's 7 hours of your life wasted just so you can enjoy playing the game for a couple of days until you die some bullshit death.

>>164609175
>want to play with friends
>they're busy mapping while I'm trying to get my build up
>build turns out to be shit
>two weeks in and still haven't played with friends
I can handle not being good at a game but basically I feel like I'm being told I don't deserve to have friends

>>164609119
what if I spam weapon swap or switch out an item midcombat?

>>164609503
Why not? That's literally how they fixed minion snapshot ting and it was a significant performance improvement. You can have a max of how many charges? Maybe 18 at a time maximum ? Performing these calculations upon loading or gear changing would improve a lot of input and combat lag you retard

>>164608716
you are retarded
>>164609121
you are retarded
>>164609406
you are retarded
>>164609503
you are retarded

>>164607347
yeah it was super ez.

3 uniques dropped off the final boss, they were all trash but still I guess thats something

>>164610101
retard

>>164610108
Atlas points tho

>>164610081
>That's literally how they fixed minion snapshot ting
source or bullshit

>>164609881
If you weapon swap now it has to recalculate dmg, anyway, how would this bevdifferent?

>>164610232
the current method of calculations do not predict every possible scenario ahead of time

>>164610182
Google it you inept faggot

>>164610423
until you provide a source, your claims are bullshit and will remain bullshit until proven otherwise

>>164610324
Would you rather have

A: calculations made during input on every mob hit causing lag and frame skipping etc

B: millisecond longer load times in favor of less combat calculations performed.

Gee I wonder why ggg's game performs like shit

>>164610721
You're a retard, gg.

>>164610081
It could present a significant problem for GGG, as they can't program worth a shit.

>>164610729
GGG makes monsters make accuracy checks on you every single second
Think about it

OKAY guys i have an idea, would the damage be decent if i used an essence of delirium (750 chaos damage per second on hit) on a harbinger bow and then went Pathfinder for poison on hit. Scale chaos damage and projectile damage

>>164610921
I seriously hope someone from ggg reads this thread and shoots themselves.

That's awful

REMOVE SHIT LIKE
THE CAUTERISER
DIRGE
TABULA DIVINATION CARDS
MAKE THE GAME GREAT AGAIN

>>164610894
unable to provide proof of his claims, anon decides to enter damage control mode as his last line of defense - unfortunately for him, his attempts fell short as he lashed out autistically to no avail. his post remains an embarrassing reminder of how not to argue on the internet.

>>164610729
>millisecond longer load times
i think you are vastly underestimating the magnitude of information that would have to be preprocessed

>>164610101
kys retard

>>164611203
Wot

Are you autistic? Why those in particular? Explain your reasoning.

>>164611210
> https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/951414

Now shut the fuck up

>>164609175
>>164609371
They should add a zana mod, that downgrades a map to your current level, 10 alts + map or something.

>>164611287
Gear checking passives checking and flask checks shouldn't take that much time. Especially on modern hardware

>>164611710
a little too late for that anon

ive already won the argument

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>level 1 item has more ES than highest base ES head item
?

>>164610081
That's not how they fixed minion snapshotting you dolt they literally just made minions self update everytime you made a change to your character. They didn't precalculate every possible damage output for a minion, do you even know how stressful that would be on your memory? They said it in the video they released, that all they did to stop snapshotting, was force minions/your character to auto update everything about it once a change was made, and they simply made performance improvements so that action itself wouldn't lag you out. That's why aura's take longer to cast now (if you recall they used to cast pretty fast). It's also a direct subreason as to why aura's are % based now instead of # based with old EB (Telling a computer you are going to reduce a number but instead you get a bigger number caused a few problems). They don't precalculate bullshit like that. If they did every loading screen would be too fucking long. All it is, is a line of code that runs when collision between your spell/hit and the enemy that states something like
>player dealt X damage (this is kept in your character object that is constantly updated. It knows the pure damage your spell/hit would do at all times, thus being able to show you the tooltip)
>does calculations for that pure damage against enemy armor/resist
>enemy takes Y damage
That simple math equation takes fractions of a second to do. Doing a million simple math equations at once, and updating them all with the server, and then waiting to see which one is right, and also updating every equation every time you update your character by using an aura or gaining a charge or buff, would cause severe lag.

>>164611976
You had no argument. You just dismissed my claims because you couldn't spend 5 seconds getting your head out of your ass. Nice try though

When you use essence of delirium on a weapon does it put the decay effect as a prefix or suffix

>>164611578
GEE I DUNNO BOSS
MAYBE BECAUSE THEY TRIVIALIZE EVERYTHING IN THE GAME UNTIL MAPS

>>164612271
your claim that there is no argument holds no merit, there was a conflict of interest that was settled through words, that is by definition an argument. i claimed victory and, since you believe no argument existed, you forfeit any right to challenge my victory, thus i win and you lose.

chow

>>164611859
nigger you aren't even coming close to how many fucking variables are in play in poe damage calculation

the myriad of dynamic buffs and debuffs alone that could possibly affect the player and the monsters at any point would explode the amount of shit you have to precalculate to absurd levels

>>164612260
Your right calculating that stuff on an instance basis DOES cause lag. Which is exactly why I'm suggesting to calculate it before hand all at once so you don't have to do a million combat calcs. Are you even paying attention?

>>164612572
>muh shallow repetitive leveling content needs to be super hardcore and serious business

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>>164612572
>they trivialize the boring parts of the game

oh no

somebody do something

>>164612773
>I'd rather wait five minutes (ten on slower end pcs) between zones while the game loads all the mobs, all the models, does calculations for what they'll drop, does every calculation for every damage point they might take
>instead of waiting three minutes to just load mobs/models/loot and having a nano-second of lag every time I cast a spell that hits a mob
????

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>>164612572
>REEE LEVEL SLOWER YOU FUCKING CHEATERS

>rip'd at t7/t8 multiple times and had to start over several tiers down
>literally ran 11 maps in a row without getting a SINGLE map within TWO tiers of the one I was running
>spent the last couple nights slowly building up, amassed a big pile before I'd even consider going a tier up
>even with insane zana luck it was incredibly slow, maps on the same tier or above dropped maybe 1 in 5 or 6
>buy a colonnade today because its next on the shaper's orb list
>two bazaars (one rare'd already) and two t10 maps drop along with six fucking silver coins
>literally F O U R same tier or above maps in one map

I heard red maps were easy to sustain but jesus this is a joke

why is t10 and up so much fucking easier to keep going than lower tiers

>>164612818
>>164612927
you ruined this game by being selfish niggers
just like detroit

>>164612572
faggot
you don't need uniques to trivialize the leveling process, you can steamroll the whole thing with just a decent weapon, a 4L piece of equipment and whatever crappy rares you come across while leveling

>>164613179
its not you just got lucky

>People act like mapping isn't the most boring content in the game

uhhh

>>164612572
>Worst part of the game becomes less shit on your second character onwards

Yeah who would ever want that right

Fuck having fun, I want to be forced to use shitty gear while I'm levelling

Yeah, that would improve the game

Getting to the actual game quickly is for fags

>>164613125
> nanoseconds of lag
> 10 minute load time

Wow not a biased/exaggerated comparison at all. Are we even playing the same game?

>>164607932
they clearly do damage him

but its proportional to his max life so its easy to pot past them

if he had 7k life, a brush with a rotating spike pillar would do about his 3k in a second

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>>164613312
and the campaign is justlike the mapping, except no mods, even easier, and you do it 3 times over, so its even worse

>>164613203
THIS IS MY POINT
FINDING RARES AND USING YOUR MASTERS TO CRAFT IS A LOT MORE FUN THAN AUTO WINNING THE GAME
YOU SELFISH FAGGOTS ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE GAME YOU PLAY EVERY SINGLE DAY
MUH CLEAR SPEED MEEEEEEETTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>164613367
The scale mattered not the actual times.
>I'd rather have a 30 second - 1.5 minute loading screen
>instead of a 15 second one and have literally no lag on hitting enemies

>>164613505
how about this: fuck you

>>164613562
No the comparison is a shot ton of lag and quick load times vs a one time marginally longer load time per character session in favor of almost virtually no input lag

>>164613505
people at the start of the league still reach a4 merc in about 3-4 hours with pretty much zero trading or even masters

>>164613861
>double load times
>"marginally longer"
>forcing PCs with low end rams to store all of that data on the RAM
>while also having them store all the other data needed on the RAM to just run the game
It's like you're a dev for Minecraft

>>164613861
>one time marginally longer load time per character session

you can not comprehend how long this process would take, why are you making assumptions on faulty pretenses

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>>164613821
>>164613821
>>164613821
>>164613821

>>164613505
>[Autistic Screeching]

Senpai, levelling is absolute garbage. It was tolerable during Essence, but only because you could effectively guarantee you'd get good levelling items.

>Auto winning the game

Auto skipping the tutorial, you mean. Levelling rares are the equivalent to smashing A to skip the game mechanics explanation that you've heard a thousand fucking times

>>164585027
Go raider or gladiator. With gladiator you don't need to use the obligation wands, you could use something defense like the moon-something-or-another wand (the one that blinds).

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does the increased duration gem extend ignites triggered by the supported gems?

>>164613505
Any arpg that's slow paced is not fun at-fucking-all.
>thinking a 5 minute boss fight is acceptable
>crawling through maps at a snails pace is okay

Are you fucking kidding me right now?

>>164614504
no

>>164613505
>STOP PLAYING THE GAME HOW YOU LIKE IT'S MORE FUN THE WAY I LIKE REEEEEEEEEEE

>(((Cadiro Perandus)))

>>164614542
damn, that could've been a good damage boost

>>164614669
i think only skill effect duration, ignite duration on tree, and temp chains will affect it

i'm theorycrafting someone stop me

poeurl.com/YVq
https://poe.mikelat.com/#mpmwWGh/3rR-b.e/9b.i

>>164614781
Yeah but what skill

god damn atziri is so fucking sexy

>>164615114
looks like ED or any fire chaos conversion

>>164614112
how could the process take that long, when in every combat scenario the lag is never "10 minutes long". The same calculations are being made, just at an inconvenient time for the player.

>>164615114
>>164615185
ed, yeah
wanna try it as not ci

>>164615208
anon please

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I WANT A TAMING RING AND I WANT ONE NOW
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>164615505
call your isp

>>164615208
>he forgets about point blank
>meaning every time your character moves, the calcultions change
>meaning that when they change they have to redo the calculations
>Meaning that every time you move you lag
Listen we know you know nothing of programming/game design just bow out now

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I love this player interaction :)

>>164615635
pb isnt based on your char position but the projectile position

>>164615701
just spend the 1 hour and level one from 1 to 19 for fucks sake

>>164615635
thats not how pb works retard

don't reply to me you catposting turdmuncher

God damn. Just started my new character and found this in a chest . This is really gonna help my HC build

>>164615845
retard poster

>bunch of poe lore names got mention in the comic

>except for Brutus, Kole and Will

why

>>164615906
retard

>>164615705
>>164615845
>projectile comes from your character model
>it's based on distance the projectile has travelled
>therefore in order to pre-calculate it, as was wanted, the easiest way to do this would to have a rough estimate on how far the projectile would travel based on the distance between the character model and the enemy model
>Meaning, still, every time you move, PB damage is updated and you'd have to do all the calculations again

>>164603669
>If the ZiggyD Rory interview is anything to go by, you'll probably get some unique that lets ignite pen ignite immune bosses but then with a huge drawback... enjoy
You should've known things are going shitward when they added Hexproof and a fucking unique that lets you ignore it at the same time.

>>164616045
THATS NOT HOW PB WORKS RETARD

>>164585027
why bother with CoE when the spell damage modifiers don't double dip on the poison dmg? I'd just scale chaos and phys as hard as possible. Get frenzy charges, forget crit, get all the chaos and phys nodes you can cram in there.

>>164616194
From the wiki
>"It is important to note that damage scaling is done with respect to the total distance the projectile has traveled, not its current distance from the point of origin"
So if you want to pre-calculate damage while using PB, do you say "well he's going to cast an attack on literally every possible point in the zone" in which case thanks for the thirty minute load time or do you say "gee with most skills we can get a good enough rough estimate for our calculations based on the distance between the character and enemy" and cause major lag every time you move

Either way it's fucking retarted to pre-calculate all that damage

>>164615635
not ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING needs to be precalcuated. Don't be so fucking pedantic you turd

end step modifiers could easily be calculated instanced based. They wouldn't be things mucking up conversion calculation anyway, which was the original pre-text of the entire argument

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>exalts were 70c a few days ago
>65c now

my skill build build got bricked after it turned out it was shit

what do people suggest i should do with a l70 bserker that has:

250% proj damage
170% phys damage
50% spell damage

on gear+tree/jewels plus the 40% more from bserker and room for 2 curses

>>164616551
>Gee it sure is hard to define a logarithmic function and plot it on a graph.
>Gee how do I calculate for damage at "x" distance from an enemy

>>164616551
>shoot projectile
>projectile has traveled x distance
>pb damage is calculated according to x

HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT YOUR LOCATION DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER RETARD