/domg/ - Dominions General

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First for EA Ermor, the one and only righteous nation.

Debug mod link in OP is for the desura archive which is dead. Should be https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-jNQgOwI-Q_NE9KYkNNVzBxanc/view

Also first for Ichtyid Blood Slaves or whatever.

>>164459028
Thanks dude. If I make the next OP, I'll fix it

>>164459097
>>164459028
Oh, we need to fix Desura links in the pastebin too

"DontStaleDesuSenpai" Admin can we update the game to Summod 0.74?

-Ulm

>>164459719
not admin but I would prefer to not

>tfw your insane scout attacks a province that was undefended
I'm s-sorry R'lyeh, it was all his fault. I'm moving him back and will not be allowed any dessert as punishment.

>>164462098

Why? I'm pretty new to the game but I see most people use the mod so I had to install it. Although I don't keep up with the changelog.

>>164462098
>he doesn't like bugfixes

>>164462738
Maybe he's worried about another major bug?

Summod 0.72 is bug-free (as far as I know), summod 0.74 is new.

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bumpu

>>164462780

>fixes
>A8 recruitable mages
>undead horde spamming monkeys
>summod fixes more than it breaks

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Sorry for the Late start, I had some RL bullshit going on. here are the pretender names for this game

>>164468219
>no Ermor
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>164468546
It's gonna be great

>>164468546

2017 is going to be fucking great

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=DontStaleDesuSenpai

JUST ONE MORE PERSON NEEDED, EA NOOB GAME

GET IN HERE NIGGERS

>>164469196
What if I am a noob at heart but not in hours played?

>>164469453
just do it senpai i want my fukken turns

>>164469196
>>
>>164459719

>>164469872
>>164459719
i done did it

So the latest version apparently improve some wish effects, does anyone know the details? Actually, is there an up-to-date list of available wishes and their precise effects somewhere?

>>164469196
give me a few minutes and I'll join

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Playing N2B9 Fort3Mag3 Jotunheim for the first time and spamming sacred summoning and crossbreeding is a lot of fun.

>>164471037
Crossbreeding is ocassionally useful as jotunheim since you can deploy some fairly cancerous strats that involve filling the battlefield with skeletons (powered by skratti batteries), then casting darkness/foul vapors/grip of winter/quagmire/howl and all that fun stuff, which will likely kill everything on the battlefield that isn't your mage line. No need to waste money on actual troops, in that case, unless you're facing fliers.

>>164471495
what is the best nation for dedication to crossbreeding?

>>164471646
Abysia with summod that gave 100 crossbreeds instead of 10.

>>164471646
Eh, in vanilla probably Jotunheim since it happens to have a lot of N/B mages lying around and a capacity for a decent blood economy. There's better things to spend blood slaves on than crossbreeding, though, unless you really need lots of shitty chaff immediately.

>>164470840
>>164469196
okay sent

>>164471920
yeah I know it's not optimal; but I'm having fun

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DontStaleDesuSenpai started! Here's the pretenders

>>164472414
I bet you 100$ that Malakal joined it just to kick some newbies and brag about it.

>>164472414
>Kubrick is a hack
Wat? Is that a Monolith pretender or something?

>>164472630
exactly right

>capital circle literally surrounded by wasteland

FUCK

>>164474194
>took sloth 3
>cap circle is mountains and forests
brb painting face with blood

>>164474194
Heh... kiddo...

>forgot Oceania gets +1 order anywhere that's not coast

well guess they call it a noob game for a reason

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>>164474379
Forgot to tell the scout how to act in battle lyl

oi: order or turmoil for ea pangea'

>>164475464
turmoil or neutral; never order

whats a fun strat for a person who is not exactly new to this game but not a genius either?

>>164475464
maenad spawns on panii vary greatly based on turmoil and I think province population is also a factor
at neutral order you're gonna get 1-4 maenads a turn per pan
at positive order you're probably not gonna get any
at 3 turmoil I usually get about 13 and have gotten 20 in the past

unrest doesn't contribute to this but I do notice I get more in high pop provinces than low

maenads are terrible fighters but have excellent morale compared to the majority (and possibly all) non-undead chaff and really only flee at the 75% of units dead mark in battles

>>164476025
see >>164471037

Jotun blood is good fun

>>164476120
let me see that freak sempai

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>>164476567
there's probably a much better setup to use but this was mine

put a decent amount of money into labs in forest provinces for vaetti hag researchers; they're cheap enough that their pathetic research count isnt an issue and it's 500 gold + 40 per to recruit them

also do lots of death and nature searching; the unique conjuration sacreds are spammable enough to make good use of the B9 bless

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>>164478454
>no G3 with a blood setup

>>164475464

Recommend order over turmoil. With foreign recruit out of all your forests, your labrats being rather expensive, and your panii being not sacred you can reliably use every piece of gold a turn on something.

You will quickly reach a point where the amount of maenads you have is just absurd and only useful as siege trash, and that 30% gold swing from O3 to T3 is a huge hit, even with your bomb expansion.

>>164478558
ran out of points
Fortune 3 Magic 3 Dormant is important to a crossbreeder

it was tempting to take imprisoned for it but it's 24 less crossbreeding turns

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Ok I guess by popular demand we'll use summod.

Now about the map...this has been put forward. Thing is, if anyone intends to be a water nation they're clearly fucked. I do want something more than the rather bland RNG maps though for an RP game. Thoughts?

>>164479060
G3 is absolutely important to a blood nation to substain your blood hunting

>>164479258
What about Magic Enhanced? I think it'd add a lot to the experience.

I do like the map, but that's probably because I was the one who recommended it. I'm fine with any nice-looking map, bonus points if it has cave networks.

>>164479258
>clustered terrain
It's shit.

>>164479962
>What about Magic Enhanced? I think it'd add a lot to the experience.
It looks really unbalanced and apparently historically interacts very poorly with summod leading to hilarity, judging by some previous posts I've gone through. It's not like the game doesn't have an assload of spells already.

>>164480038
Open to other suggestions.

Oh and it will be an EA game with 10-15 players judging by the polls.

what are current active communities aside /domg/?

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>>164481236
Here, I'll tell you. Come closer...
NONE! HAHAHAHAHA!

>>164480213
please no summod

>>164482198
name a single argument against sum1mod outside "I just dont' like mods"

>>164482258
I do like mods, I just dont like summod
Not that there is anything wrong with it, I just dont agree with the changes

>>164480213
please yes summod

>>164482481
Then you're a fool.

>>164482258
bugs

Please argue this out for my benefit.

>>164482648
bugs can be hotfixed by llama ingame, there are also stable versions available
>>164482481
not an argument

>>164478580
I went with neutral. I haven't played pangea so i'm playing safe.

>>164479258
did you make it? I like it.

>>164482754
>bugs can be hotfixed by llama ingame
I don't like the sound of this.

>>164482873
>did you make it? I like it.
No, someone posted it here as a recommendation. I have 0 artistic skills.

>>164480213
I'd rather have Magic Enhanced over Summod.

>>164482919
if you are worried about bugs use version .72 which is a stable version with no bugs

>>164483117
And I'd rather have vanilla. Unfortunately I'm running this as a tyranny by majority so neither of us are probably going to get what we want.

>>164483139
Is .72 an older version then?

>>164483178
no one says you have to use sum1mod or ME or this map, you the host have absolute power, you just have to accept some players will or won't join based on what you decide, you're better off just picking what you want and attracting the apporiate players as it seems your mind was made up before any arguements were actually made

>>164483178
I've personally never experienced much imbalance with Magic Enhanced. But hey, you're the one running it.

Unless we're autistic enough to play a modded and unmodded RP game.

>>164483313
>no one says you have to use sum1mod or ME or this map, you the host have absolute power,
And I choose to do it by popular accord. I might just grumble a bit first.

>>164483301
.72 is the previous version. .73 came out a few days ago and .74 came out a couple days ago that was a bug fix.

vote

http://www.strawpoll.me/12021145
http://www.strawpoll.me/12021145
http://www.strawpoll.me/12021145

We're almost done. Make this decision then I'll go through some maps for you guys to choose and then we're ready to start.

>>164483564
Don't those two mods fuck each other up?

>>164483749
there is a very old version of sum1mod that works with ME, honestly having both at once is just not a good idea

>>164483749
>>164483821
If the People decide on too much of a clusterfuck I'll just host the game without actually being a player in it.

>>164483821
.72 is compatible with ME, and it's not that old.

>>164484043
I forgot .72 worked with ME, nevermind then

http://i.imgur.com/O6vu4Ty.png
what is that?
I click and it crashes the game

~not actual game, just a test run~

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Nice try with that earthquake trap motherfucker

>>164484156
It's supposed to be a spell that lets you get multiple units of FIsh amulets, the unit exists just to achieve that end. Do you actually get the amulets?

>>164485072
nope.
http://i.imgur.com/XjIyRES.png

I never cast a spell that turn. It was a random event

Thoughts on how to equip and script a Onyx Oracle Hero(w1/e3/h3 MA Agartha Hero with n9 bless) to fight and either kill/cripple low equipment Harbinger Angels that are raiding into my dominion? I'm concerned with the Angel's 20 Invulnerability will block out most of the Oracle's damage letting the angel retreat before it can be killed.

My initial idea is to use vineshield+fire brand to entangle and aoe swing at it with 5~ Mercuries swinging to peck damage and chew down defence skill. With this set up I'm worried that the angel wouldn't be killed(lots of small damage/nothing that lands a large damaging hit within 1 round) and have the chance to fly off to fight another day when reduced to low hp.

>>164485258
I think I saw what happened, the unit that exists to give the items is in the pool of random monster attacks for some reason. are you able to do your test game turn np with no crash if you don't open the battle?

>>164486348
it only crashes when the game has to load the monster, otherwise the turn can be made normally

>>164484156
>>164485258
Why are you using imgur instead of attaching images to your posts?

>>164486348
You should probably go ahead and attach a sprite to Limne now so this doesn't happen as often.

>>164486608
it should be fine to ignore for now then, I'll let sum1won know when he gets online if he doesn't already know, it's safe to ignore this battle though

>>164486702
because I am lazy, my screenshot program makes it easier for me, I just click 3 buttons and voilá, sorry for the hassle tho, maybe someday 4chin will embed imgur?

>>164486716
It was a SP test, I posted this issue because I am not familiar with github, if it does happen in the actual game, I will report again but I will do my turn normally, unless you decide we will get a bugfix and reroll

>>164486921
>maybe someday 4chin will embed imgur?
dumb redditposter

>>164486921
>maybe someday 4chin will embed imgur?
Surely you mean, maybe someday your screenshot program will allow custom image upload hooks, so you can post directly using the 4chan API?

>>164485726
You can just put any magic weapon on the onyx oracle and it'll ignore the invulnerability. Harbingers are magic beings, so you can put an elf bane on the oracle and that gets you a save or die MR check, or a sword of swiftness for more attacks (I'm assuming you're casting quicken self on the oracle so you'll probably have a decent chance of getting through the harbingers defense depending on what items it has). If you just want to cripple it, eyecatchers are good since there's no MR save attached to the eye loss effect.

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I haven't seen anyone post the pretenders for StandardEA, so I'm going to do it.

can someone please point me to resources about interactions between undying and second shapes?

Do your turns.

>>164481236
SA, steam, dom4mods, clockwork. Some others, too.

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>when you get the turn 2 hero

>>164494646
Is queen of the city the best hero? Whos the worst hero?

>>164495073
any non magic path hero is pretty shit IMO unless they got something like H4

>>164495164
>Jotunheim
>Spornsjall the Wolf Lord has appeared at your gate to fight for your cause
Vaetti wolf rider with no paths that is fleshier than good indies
Solid contender for worst. Worthy Hero buffs aren't enough to make him good (+stats, + summons 2 wolf riders per month, +personal luck, +stealthy [25], +slots).

>>164495164
master of the games is arguably one of the worst heros, since it has to go into the arena and it's not good enough to win against anything. So he basically lives until arena happens, doing nothing, and then ceases existing. Does any other hero offer less than this?

>>164496652
Machakan monkey king?

>>164497270

Is at least a better commander than anything you get nationally.

>>164497270
crowned ape gets freespawns and is a priest
the machakan generic human hero is pretty bad though

>>164495073
queen of the city is so good that she's worth summong with wish no matter what.

>>164497880
The assassin guy? Free assassin is nice enough considering most of the time if you want one you have to forgo recruiting a mage.

Recast dispel. Please Ermor stop this shit ok?

semi-newfag here. As MA Abysia what sort of spells do you normally aim for as a long-term goal? Do you focus on blood or fire? If both, which do you do first? I'm assuming it's better to drop research on evo if fire right?

Also any general tips are appreciated

>>164503235
Conj 5 for early game fighting. Cons 2 for soul contracts if you have a pretender for them.

Blood is your end game, fire elementals are your early game.

>>164482258
The RoS changes are my biggest reason for disliking summod.

There's a number of other changes which I think are imbalanced, but I'd probably play summod despite them if not for the RoS nerf.

>>164503632
why are the RoS nerfs bad?

>>164504032
Oh boy, here we go again.

RoS nerfs are bad because they remove a vital tool for dealing with doomstacks from many nations. Many of the nations which lose RoS access are also on the weaker side and didn't need a nerf, especially not one this big.

RoS is obnoxious, but summod nerf doesn't make it any less so, it just makes it available to less nations.

The solution I'd prefer is (expensive) items which cast protection spells at battle start. That way you could cluster your mages around a unit equipped with that item to defend them from RoS. It was suggested, but sum1won decided to go with a path increase on RoS instead.

>>164504032
It removes round 1 RoS access from many weaker nations. For instance, Yomi has issues dealing with mage-balls without it.

In LA, it is a significant nerf to Man, TC, Jomon, Caelum, and Midgard.

I've played in ~20 pbems, all of them either EA or MA, and I was thinking about trying an LA game soon.

Red pill me on LA, /domg/. Is it really HFY: The Age or have I been memed?

>>164504963
Everyone has blood, astral, and death magic

>>164504963
in a sense yes. not because they conquer anything, but because they sort of stay alive while everyone else died or fucked off to heaven/tart.

>>164504737
>complains about RoS nerf
>doesn't even know what the RoS nerf was.

>>164505169
Don't forget heavy armor and indie xbows.

Every nation fields the same troops.

>>164504963
Not for riley or atlantis. Or the monkeys. For jomon its sea people fuck yeah.

>>164504963
more like Crossbows Fuck Yeah

>>164505327
It raises the minimum paths to cast it from E2A1 to E3A1.

I suppose "path increase" isn't the best way to describe it, but it's the intended effect of raising gem cost.

>>164505409
just because they aren't homo sapiens doesn't mean they aren't mundane.

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>>164504963

here's LA:

>literally the least amount of nations
>literally the least amount of unit diversity
>literally the least amount of strategy
>literally the most imbalanced of all ages (if you think ea xibalba is retarded, then hold onto your balls nigger because you ain't seen shit)
>literally the worst age by any metric

LA is to EA and MA as CoE4 is to Dominions. AND on top of all of that, it has the HFY garbage lore to boot.

tl;dr LA a shit, and anyone who plays it is mega tarded

>>164504750
TC, Man, and Midgard all have no issues using RoS even after the nerf. Additionally for all that you mention the RoS nerf hitting these nations, it also helps some of them such as Jomon, Caelum, and Man - since they're actually permitted to bring mage support far more safely than before.

>>164504750
>>164504737
I don't understand what you mean, all those nations have access to E2/A1 which means your only one earth boot away from 1st turn defensive RoS strike. Are you saying RoS is the only option for these nations or they they must have easy access to this single spell to be viable nations?

>>164505610
>fish people with magic ice gear
>crazy squid people who drive other races crazy
>monkeys controlled by magical snake people
>shrimp and shark samurai commanded by crab samurai with backup from dragon mages
Yeah real mundane senpai.

>>164505637
I'd actually argue that MA is even more imbalanced than LA, with it having a cadre of super potent nations (Ermor, Pangaea, Agartha) and a cadre of uttershit (Oceania, Marignon, Xibalba, and Machaka). Then again LA is the age of Ragha and LA Pythium, so I can see the argument for LA as well.

Nothing in LA is even half as retarded as EA Xibalba though. This is mostly because EA Xib gets bat recruits in an age where most indies can't deal with bat swarms (LA indies are much better at slowing bat hyperexpansion), but the fact that a nation can take a double bless, not recruit any of the sacreds (relying on summons for later) and still have one of the best, if not the best, early game, should put off some huge fucking warning signals.

>>164505637
Dumb bobposter

>>164505717
Eh, even though I'd argue that the nerf was fair, LA Caelum gets E2A1 20% of the time on a StR cap only.
Not exactly super reliable desu.

>>164506392
I just don't see that as a big issue though. The only nation I see being legitimately "hurt" over it is Man but even then Man is just a poorly thought out nation anyway. all those other nations have a variety of tools to deal with big balls of mages though

>>164505717
I didn't give that list of nations, and I definitely don't agree with LA China or Man, but Jomon and Caelum have a pretty rough time of it.

Jomon needs a 1 in 25 random, Caelum needs a 1 in 5 StR cap-only caster (and they desperately need those E2 for other uses). Having only a handful of casters (who may not even be where you need them) is a massive step down from their previous ability to RoS with common rec-anywhere mages.

Midgard also gets hit fairly hard (needs 1 in 16 random for RoS), but they were a strong nation to start with and didn't get hit quite as hard as Jomon or Caelum.

>>164506785
Caelum has unique summons that can supplement the loss of RoS, hell one of their daevas can summon all the Yazads. Meanwhile Jomon is still rough stuff but sum1won has done some work to buff up their early/mid game a little bit, not to mention jomon has access to spells like Acid Storm which are just as effective if not more then RoS

>>164506732
Man still gets plenty of E2 mages they can put boots on, and limiting how easy it is to RoS them back, if anything, is a buff.

>>164503632
rain of steel?

I though it was one of the lesser attack spells

Need 10 more nations to join Fourth Turning:

T'ien Chi
Fomoria
Ulm
Machaka
Kailasa
Hinnom
Sauromatia
Atlantis
Pelagia
Therados

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FourthTurning

Tga is at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1IGVeRBBP-8bDE1bFJabGFoOGs

>>164507598
>getting someone to play therados
good luck

>>164507120
>Caelum has unique summons that can supplement the loss of RoS
They have a single spenta who can cast RoS. He's one of 6 summons you can get, he is unique, and each spenta costs 60 pearls. He is not a viable replacement for rec-anywhere RoS casters, even if you disregard the great difficulty of summoning him as LA Caelum.

>Meanwhile Jomon is still rough stuff but sum1won has done some work to buff up their early/mid game a little bit
Here is the full list of jomon changes:

>Ashigaru Armor +1 def, -1 enc (Shinyu, Yomi, slightly Jomon)*
>Samurai Armor +1 def, -1 enc (Jomon, Shinyu … Yomi)*
>Heavy Samurai Armor +1 def, -1 enc (Jomon, Yomi)*

>LA Jomon
>Samurai Cav 10 gold discount
>Mounted Commanders 10 gold discount

Which of these changes helps their major early/mid game problem of getting murdered by xbows?

>jomon has access to spells like Acid Storm which are just as effective if not more then RoS
Acid storm works completely differently from RoS. It needs time to work, and murders your own army of squishy humans at the same time.

You can't have a mage solo cast it against a stack of mages moving onto your land, nor can you buff your army to ignore the damage from it.

>>164507748
Games settings have been modified to correctly include Therados.

Considering that the last map actually had a Therados, and that a game not too long ago that wasn't even summod had a Therados, I'm not too concerned.

>>164508547
>include therados
I meant include summod 0.74. Actually, ya know what, close enough.

>>164508547
okay, I bite
gimme the specters

>>164508712
>>164508723
wait, summod, nah

>>164508871
>wanting to play Therados without summod

are there people actually this masochistic?

>>164509021
Id raelly want therodos to be what it was when it first came out

>>164509446
Blame that one on Shillwinter then.

>>164510032
I did
but they only listen to ohlmans cries

>>164507320
Rain of Stones.

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I'm starting to get curious about the Autistic RP game and I have a few questions. How is the game supposed to work? Are the players just going to pretend that they are the nations' leaders? The nations' pretenders? Random commanders? Will they post here a bunch or is everything supposed to happen over the message system?

>>164509021
No, it's mostly one really vocal person. We go through this every few months, but the summod games fill up fast anyways.

>>164512668
I was hoping to be pythium and try to play to the whole different cults in power thing but it looks like we are going EA instead so I'm not sure what I'll do now.

I've seen this asked before but I can't find the answer. What font is the interface text in Dominions?

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>C'tis actually did his turn
I thought I was going to have to sub you out, mate. Thanks for fighting to the end.

>>164513694
Why would you need to create your own in-game messages or battle-reports?

>>164514043
Forgery, no doubt

>>164508380
>This is the full list of Jomon changes

That's not even the full list of changes to the units mentioned. Or an accurate list. Why are you lying?

>>164512668
whatever is appropriate for the narrative you adopt

you could be a megalomaniac evil god that speaks personally to the courts of other nations or an imperial bureaucracy that writes cordial calculated letters to it's neighbors sent through normal messengers

The nation's description will help´in that ie: Carrion Wood Asphodel would probably have it's god speaking, and speaking in nothing but angry half sentences

But of course, if you are creative, you can pull of many things and still be inside the paramenters of each nation's lore.

Now that I think of it, there's many nations that are basically composed of thralls of a single entity.

>>164514043
>>164514164
Oh please when I need to do that I mock it up in single player. Just looking to make some Dominions-themed images.

>>164510226
Ohlmann wasn't the person who fucked that up. It was some other asshole.

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>>164514019
I didn't have the gall to storm out of a sudden family business considering how the situation was. Too bad the other two stales because of oversleeping.

>>164506269
>mari
>shit
Are you retarded?

>>164514376
You could have asked for an extension. I thought you had given up since that was the turn I killed your god.

Going to have to wait till winter to get in that way, Tisor.

>>164514446
It has issues in vanilla largely just on account of efficiency problems. Summod Mari is legit strong, but vanilla Mari is hard to actually win games with.

>>164514446
>>164516238
I'm not that guy, btw. I defo wouldn't include it in a tier with Machaka/Oceania. I'd also say that vanilla Atlantis is worse than both it and Xibalbats if the map has a significant cluster of forests/caves for the batfolk to exploit.

>>164516238
What does summod change for Mari?

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>>164514795
As long as I have even a single commander left I'm more than capable of taking you on thanks to the dominion RNG.

>>164516569
by the grace of DRN

>>164514221
That is every change which mentions jomon in the current summod changelog.

If there are other unlabelled changes you'll have to point them out.

>>164516467
Lots of buffs, actually. Everything other than what was already good about Mari got better. Summod makes angels cheaper, so they're now all cost effective for thugging, and buffs the Angel of Vengeance so that it's also actually GOOD for that purpose. Mari also benefits from the gold cost reduction that just about all cavalry got because it often likes using sacred cavalry even when it's inefficient as hell, so that's basically just money in the pocket. The free flag from inquisitors pillaging also allows for some meme strats in smaller games, but even in normal games it can be worth having a sacrificial poor province producing what's effectively sacred freespawn for chaff purposes.

Can we get a 12 hour extension in CanIntoHost?

My super strat depends on some players NOT staling.

Now that the holidays are over, can Lucky13 get back to a 24 hour hosting schedule? It's still early game and I want muh turns.

>>164518069
This.

>>164508380
your problem is your looking for another RoS caster, there are ways to haress mage balls: fires from afar, Leprosy, Assassinations, Seeking arrow, etc all things that are readily viable for any nation in LA. Also you ignored all the Buffs jomon got to their monk spells: most importantly the monk spell that casts arrow fend is now a large AoE spell.

Please stop thinking RoS is the end all of all army/mage clearing spells and open your mind to other battlefield Strategies

>MUH ROS NERFS
Just empower for 30 fucking gems and git gud, you stupid nerds.

>>164518547
He isn't saying it's the only answer to mage balls. He's saying that it is a good one (and it still is!) and that some weaker nations lost easy access to it. There aren't many nations left that can cloud trapeze a round 1 RoS caster. This has major strategic implications, and it's a change that he (and I) disagree with.

I like summod overall, personally, but I agree with him that the RoS changes are a big deal and a downside to using the mod.

>>164518848
correction, many nations that can *easily* do. they can still do it but now it's not so easy braindead to do, now you have to put some thought into the matter. Does this mean it's a little harder to kill mage balls? Maybe, but by no means does this make Mage balls some unbeatable machine

so uhhh, why are score tables on for this game?

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Today, Local Ulm player was staling the game, to absolutely nobody's surprise! What happens next will shock you.

>>164512668
Whatever you think is appropriate for your nation or narrative. Intermediaries or the pretender itself could all potentially make sense.

I'd prefer people use both the thread and the message system I suppose. Though when we're all trying to kill each other to become God not sure how useful the diplomancing will be.

>>164520053
Let me guess: the admin does nothing about it and lets him stale 20 turns in a row?

>>164521241
Actually I"m pretty strict about this, if he stalls first turn I"m kicking him and restarting the game, if he stalls 3 turns after that I find someone to sub or AI him

>>164514221
>>164516802
Actually, I found the issue. Sum1won hasn't updated the changelog in ages, instead it's in the readme.

There are some minor changes which help earlygame in there but I'd rather have Rain of Stones.

>>164518547
Apart from what this guy said
>>164518848
>He's saying that it is a good one (and it still is!) and that some weaker nations lost easy access to it.

None of your choices are a good answer to mage balls, and especially not for Jomon (no native F3, native A3 only via summon, native D1 only via summon).

Seeking Arrow, Fires from Afar, and assassins all target a set number of units rather than hitting every target in the province like RoS does.

The cost to hit 30 mages at once with each of them is insane - Seeking Arrow would be at minimum 120 gems, probably closer to 200 assuming most targets need a second cast to die. Fires from afar would depend on how many troops are with the mages, but would likely have a similar cost. Assuming just a skull talisman per assassin is enough to kill a mage, that's still 150 gems for 30 assassins.

Leprosy is MRN and mages have high MR. With full penetration boosters you'd be lucky to disease 1 in 5.

In all cases, it'd cost less gems to just empower a RoS caster. That's not to say empowering into RoS is reasonable (it isn't), but that your suggested options were even worse than throwing away 40 gems on a single cast of RoS.

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seriously guys, why?

>>164522058
>he doesn't double blind expand with every nation
What's wrong with you, kohai?

>>164521745
Eh, I'd much rather play Jomon in summod than without it due to cheaper troops (if only very minorly), Fear Not sign existing as a spell, and cheaper summons.

I wouldn't call them a good nation by any rate, but they're certainly stronger after the changes than before. Especially because they're one of the squishy human mage nations that get shat on by RoS.

Game: ChristmasEdition
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Game: FourthTurning
Early Age, unlimited players
>Players so far: 20

So this is what it's like to be playing dom4... Does everyone else join like 10 games to feel like you're actually playing the game?

Had a ball playing MA C'tis last night, just early expansion for the first time playing in about a year.

>cheap slaves for chaff that are reasonably meaty in combat
>herbivore infantry seem reasonably competent at the lower levels
>got about 50 sobek shock troops I can't wait to try out
>giant snakes for morale bonuses
>poison slinging shits for ranged, all ligger troops have great resistances to it
>got a saurolich with 4A9D so death weapons on all the sobek and potential to summon EotD if I seem to be losing badly

I think this'll be a good game.

>>164525008
>D9

literally why, Death weapons isn't that great and D5 lets you get tarts, D7 lets you get any Big D shit with boosters

>>164507598
HOLYFUCK ADMIN JUST START

>>164525189

Fuck off, this game is specifically about having an all nation clusterfuck

>>164525189
calm down you impatient fucks, it's like you can't wait to AI at the first lost battle

>>164525189
>start with huge holes all across the map, including the emptiest oceans ever.

I wonder which nation would stand to benefit the most out of starting now.

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>>164525172

>>164525768

Don't blame me for this autism

If death weapons are so bad why hasn't summod changed them yet

czech macht

>>164525824
>>164525172
Seriously though, did anybody save all the race/pretender guides that were on Desura before it went down? I won my first playthrough against AI just by watching a tutorial series for the Enkidu and reading a guide for EA Ulm, but now the site's gone.

>>164479373

>sustain

Sustain what. Grind your pop down, use the ground down pop slaves to get more pop, grind that down too. Grind everything down until either you win or someone kills you. If you actually run out of pop, guess what, you have been hiding in a corner the entire game and were going to lose anyway due to your timidity.

>>164526692
because dumbass you get reduced slave income below 5k pop which hurts the slave economy, if your population isn't growing then your reducing your maximum slave efficency

>>164526891

>maximum slave efficiency

So what you're saying is, you sit in a corner, never conquer anyone, and then complain when you use up all your above-5k provinces via blood hunting? If you are grinding down pop for blood slaves you should be having enough blood slaves to kill people. And thereby, get more pop, to grind the fuck down. The only time this is an issue is if you're not killing people at the rate you should be killing people, aka, you are losing.

>>164527372
Alternatively, he's Hinnom, and if you don't take growth 3 your provinces' pop grinds down to nothing before you even have enough blood to make the boosters.

Pretty sad when the summod buff can pretty much be summed up as: Kohen's now better than scouts at blood hunting.

>>164527784

If he has enough fatman giants to eat down the pop that fast, no amount of growth will help him.

>>164526692
This anon is right desu. Even growth 3 doesn't make a ton of difference.

Need 48 hour extension for CanIntoHost pls

>>164527372
>>164528032
so what your saying is you rather kill off your pop faster then take G3 and get even more blood slaves and hunt even longer so you can kill people even faster?

Nah just take neutral growth and summon more foul spawn, that's the correct course of action because I have no idea how blood ecnonomy works ;3

btw taking growth 3=/= turtling as a nation but nice sweeping generalization

>>164528076
This.

I don't want my opponent to accidentally stale and survive.

>>164528220
They're also lacking Order on a blood nation, and that's sacked before Growth is.

Really, seeing a Luck/Magic blood build because meh crossbreeding is watching someone find a retarded solution for a retarded reason. But please do join games I'm in, since you'll never actually be a real contender to win.

Except maybe in the version of summod with Abysian crossbreeding bug - even then I'd find it unlikely.

>>164527372
>it's an "if you aren't continually expanding in the most optimal fashion, you aren't going to win" episode
Are you the same guy every time? Hint: in games with more than two players and victory conditions beyond "snowball the biggest, fastest", there are objectives to consider apart from spending every last drop of resources on immediate acquisition of new resources. That attitude is a good way to get gangbanged.

>>164529070
It's MOSTLY true, tho. I disagree with that dude in that Growth 3 is the best economy scale for a game of any reasonable size, but if you play passively you'll lose.

>>164529070
False: this only gets you gangbanged if you're not already the biggest, or if Malakal is around to set it up.

>>164517487
I'm tired, so it's 24

>>164524282
Having played them a couple of times outside summod, most of the buffs are to things I didn't find useful.

I like the cheap archers, and the summon cost improvements are handy. Monks are shit and slightly better signs doesn't fix that. Cavalry are overpriced still, red devils might be on par with o-ban now.

It's good that he's trying to improve bad options, but it doesn't make the nation much better overall.

>Especially because they're one of the squishy human mage nations that get shat on by RoS.
In late age almost everyone is squishy humans. I think RoS is overall beneficial for Jomon, because it lets them fight more evenly with large opponents.

Jomon usually doesn't start off very large, and they have a hard time getting larger through wars in earlygame. That means, come lategame, you'll generally be fighting nations who can field more troops and more mages than you.

RoS is a nice equalizing factor - it doesn't matter how many mages your opponent brought if they're all dead.

>>164533180
So you're saying that Jomon went from unplayable shit tier (where they were) to unplayable shit tier.

Sounds about right desu, sum1won has a slight issue of being too conservative at times meaning that the buffs for nations are extremely minor and insufficient. On the other hand, it means he's never overbuffed a nation outside of hilarious bugs.

>>164528293
Who is everyone fighting? I've been attacked by three players so far: Xib, TC and Machaka.

>Jomon mages literally have less morale than zotz mages

wtf is this meme.

>>164535982
>So you're saying that Jomon went from unplayable shit tier (where they were) to unplayable shit tier.
Yep, that sounds like a good summary.

It's a real pity too, since I like their units and summons a lot.

>>164536631
>zotz mages have better magic
>and are sick ass bat people
I dont know anon you tell me why their morale is better.

this thread is ermor

>>164536631
Nippon morale
folded 1000 times

>>164536631
Just like the warrior of the land of the rising sun has unbreakable morale and courage, the wise old men know the way of peace and co-prosperity and will often leave meaningless battles.

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>>164509021
Driftking is a newbie game that had a player pick Thero. We told them not to do it, and stated it was non summod.

Seems like he went AI after Formoria attacked, I think he also sent his erf snek into the Cold 3 capital... So there was that.

Key points, newbie game and the player that picked Thero was inexperienced enough to not realize how cold blooded worked ingame.

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>>164546386
He got his dominion on my land, that's a good enough casus belli.

Also he was talkin' big.

Exactly how risky is Stygian Paths? If I use it to send a lich with an army of demon knights, how certain can I be that the army will reach the target mostly intact?

>>164551321
it's fairly low risk overall, but you'll lose a few dudes and you want a backup commander just in case.

How do undying hitpoints and regeneration interact?

>>164551906
Doesn't increase max HP for regen purposes, but regen will bring you back from the point of no return if you go into negative HP from undying

>>164551797
Will the dudes still get through if the casting commander dies on the way?

>>164552010
Yes, but he has a VERY low chance of getting lost compared to the dudes he's bringing.

I don't have any numbers, just that I had to do a lot of tests to verify that you even can lose a caster.

>>164551321
Have you tried perchance reading the manual my good man? It has many excellent nuggets of information such as that which you are requesting. Here is the description of Stygian Paths from the manual:

"Transports the caster and all troops under his command to a distant province. En route, all troops are attacked by a dmg: 1 AN attack and a dmg: Death MR attack. These represent attacks by the spirits of the underworld. Stealthy units only have a 20% chance of being hit by the death attack. The caster gains no benefit from stealth: he is leading the army."

Seems pretty clear, don't you think?

>>164552752
I've learned to distrust any of the mechanics listed in the manual that can't be immediately verified by testing. I'd run Stygian Paths with -dddd if I cared enough to verify.

>>164524948
Yes. I really wish there was a normie test before you play dominions so we could all play blitz 24/7 and not slow PBEM.

Game name: ChristmasEdition
Nation: Early Era T'ien Ch'i
Turn number: 12

Who's sent their turn in:
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>>164554832
Fugg forgot to delet my nation :^)
no bully

>>164556815
Don't worry, it's alright.

>>164557394
gesundheit

>>164556815

I knew it was you anyway, you uppity nipnog.

How many priest turns does it take to res a Pretender (or does the number of priests scale the time needed in a non-linear fashion)? As always, I'm asking for my stupid friend.

>>164559716
50+DRN I think. Ur's H1s count as H2s.

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>>164559770
H3s, I believe. Is Elegist added to their priest level, or substituted?

>>164528220
Opportunity cost my man. Those are points you culd put into ther things that will mae you kill people even faster than an additinal few turns of blood hunting at turn 50.

Though if you're Hinnom it's not so clear cut because your fatass giants are eating everyone anyway.

>>164529070
>Are you the same guy every time? Hint: in games with more than two players and victory conditions beyond "snowball the biggest, fastest", there are objectives to consider apart from spending every last drop of resources on immediate acquisition of new resources.
There aren't actually, /domg/ is just really passive. Unless you play with graphs on and can't bluff everyone out.

>finally get a proper internet connection again
>download turn
>see that my situation, while bad, is potentially salvageable
>do turn
>go to upload turn
>lose internet
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I got it working again now though. Hopefully have a better situation where I am the next few nights, and after that should be back to normal.

>>164528220
>>164560994
This argument is dumb.

Growth is mandatory on everyone because it's by far the best money scale and everyone needs money.

Allowing blood nations to squeeze a few more slaves out of your provinces is, at best, a nice side effect.

>>164507748
I may do it if nobody has stepped up in like a month or so. Not in a good position to take on a new game right now but I like the concept.

>>164561449
Growth is nice but not sure Growth 3 is mandatory.

>>164561449
>everyone needs money
Some need it less than they need other things, such as early expansion. And growth is the best money scale only in the long term if you're using summod, and not at all if you have popkill that overpowers it.

You're right in this case, but "everyone" is too broad of a generalization.

If you haven't voted yet do it in the next few hours or I'm gonna use my hostular tie breaking powers.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12021145/
http://www.strawpoll.me/12021145/
http://www.strawpoll.me/12021145/

Then I'll go map shopping, we can vote on that, and then we'll be ready to go. Start inventing your ridiculous poorly written OC.

>>164561727
Without summod, growth beats order within 9 turns (of having growth 3 on the province). With summod, it's 14 turns.

After that very early point it's far, far better. After 30 turns, with growth 3 alone (no other scales), you have almost 27% increased income - nearly double order's bonus.

After 60 turns, growth by itself is a 50% income bonus. If you add order 3 on top, it's nearly 75% more than no scales.

If you care about gold at all, growth is mandatory. Even in summod.

>>164561758
>Some need it less than they need other things, such as early expansion.
There is no nation which needs to sacrifice growth to get an good expansion.

>And growth is the best money scale only in the long term if you're using summod
See above, 14 turns is how long it takes growth to beat the second best money scale (and income is very close even during those 14 turns).

>not at all if you have popkill that overpowers it.
Ok, popkill nations are an exception. How about "everyone who cares about gold"?

>>164529070

Even to pull off a flying thronegrab or something, you need enough troops and mages to actually pull off the flying throne grab. If you sit in your initial expansion eating dicks the entire game, not only will your small size mean one of your neighbours likely looks to you as easy pickings (which odds are good you are), you actually won't have enough troops/mages/RP to execute the throne grab.

tl;dr - the amount of extra pop provinces you need to blood hunt huge amounts of slaves is really fucking small and if you aren't getting it you're a super passive player who is going to lose anyway

>>164529301

Growth is probably the most powerful scale, even in summod. I just disagree that it's necessary for blood hunting. If you are xib or mict or something you might ignore growth for a big bless + magic to get ozzies out faster or something, and that's a perfectly reasonable decision.

This thread will not die, not yet amigo

Whats your favourite strategy for dom4 and why

>>164567657
winning
it's pretty fun

>>164567657
I like bless armies

>>164567657
sacred summons and site search spam

other nations putting out 10 sacreds a turn and I'm doing 30

>>164567657
I like heavily buffed mundane troops, examplified with MA Pangaea throwing everything nature and earth at super-buffable revelers but everything from Fog Warriors to Flaming Arrows is nice.

>>164567657
Casting cancerous globals and waiting for everyone to leave the game.

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Little reminder to Ulm if he stalls 1st turn I will kick you out and just start the game without you. The map is a little cramped so I'm sure everyone will apperciate the extra room without you if you are not willing to even commit to the 1st turn of the game

Best nation to play if I like Nature/Earth magic the most?

>>164572404
first thought is pangaea.

>>164572404
EA/MA Pangaea and Ur. MA Pangaea is the strongest of the three.

hey how do I look up a specific ability ID for modding?
I'd like to add the ability Bringer of Fortune to a mod pretender; found on EA Mictlan's Smoking Mirror; Devi of Good Fortune and a few others but haven't a clue what its tag is for adding it in a mod

It's not in the modding manual; not in the ez mod editor and Dom4 Database (the full, offline one) just lists it's column as "event" which I imagine isn't the actual tag

>>164572404
EA Pan (the unit) has N4E1B1 with EB?1 and MEB?.1
MA Pan (the unit) has N3E2 with NE?1 and NEB?.1

If you want Nature more EA Pan
If you want Earth more MA Pan

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Think this might be it for me boys.

>>164572510
>>164572567
>>164573658
Thanks, any other? I actually meant nationS so not necessarly looking for the best N/E. Iirc MA Man also has nature and some earth

>>164574460
MA Nazca has a E1N1 mage, but you should skip it and play them as usual.
But they have E and N, play Nazca ;^)

memes aside, i love nazca

>>164574460
Ur has as strong access as Pangaea but their troops are far inferior so they don't get as much mileage out of buffing them. But for all other strategies and tactics you do with N/E, Ur is equal to pan.

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Playing SP with EA C'tis and this happened. Honestly I didn't expect him to win sice he's only got a 1h bane blade a vine shield and ring of regen.

>>164574838
good thing berytos troops are shit

>>164574838
I just realised He ran away while chasing the escaping enemies. Why did that happen? he had 20 morale left and no one was attacking him anymore.

>>164574535
how do I play nazca right senpai

>>164575121
He had an existential crisis and ran home to rethink his life

>>164575480
reverse communions

>>164567657
spells that stack tons of fatigue on the battlefield so your shitty chaff kills all their sleepin units

>>164572404
Ur is highly underrated

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>>164574838
BANE?

>>164562973
>>164563074
Order also partially offsets the negative effects of misfortune though.

>>164576193
Maybe its just me but I have never taken misfortune and dont feel like I ever will.

i fucked up

i set score graphs on by mistake when i was changing other settings. Are we restarting, or are we going to continue on this doomed path?

>>164576342
It's doable as long as you don't go full retard and take Mis 3.

>>164576342
Taking Luck 3 irl can offset the effects of taking misfortune in the game.

>>164507598
What's an innovative or memey strategy to try with one of these. I want in on Latus, but I'm only familiar with Sauro.

Still need 9 more people for Fourth Turning.

Really surprised Fomoria of all nations hasn't been picked yet desu.

>>164576547
I can assure you I did not take Luck 3 in real life.

>>164576610
You could go Fomoria with a moragan bless.

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>>164576876
>moragan

>>164576776
>>164576547
Turmoil 3 Luck 3 irl is "may you live in interesting times"

do not recommend.

>>164576610
Advice for all of them, as well as I can give: Except Ulm, Sum1won would give advice there better.

TC: neighbors are Caelum, Agartha, Yomi. You could possibly beeline for any of them with blessed sacreds and kill one of them. You don't need to expand much beyond Asia to win, so the normal TC issue of having no solid recruits outside cap hurts far less. TC can also forge pocket ships, which grant sailing (and sailing is very potent on this map, to say the least).

Fomoria: primary neighbor is TNN, but sailing lets you connect to a shitload of other places. Figuring out your plan for TNN is likely priority number 1, after that Fomoria can attack Yomi without real retaliation, head to the under/overworld to fight bats or sauro, or sail to the nordic countries or Europe.

Machaka: Africa tends to devolve into a 2v1 between C'tis/Berytos/Machaka more often than not - don't be without allies. Either get allies to stop blood isle, or clean up Xibalba/Mictlan mess after they explode on each other.

One of the primary rule of Archaea is if you are a land nation, and if you do not have an amazing sacred (like Vanheim, or TC) you take an awake expander. Things are extremely tight for land nations, despite the size of the map.

>>164576610
Kailasa is in a fun position as long as Ur longbowman stay away, due to being adjacent to Yomi/Lanka, both of whom do not deal well with Heavenly Song at all . . . which is now on all the Gandharvas.

Atlantis more or less has to accept that R'lyeh is going to try and kill them, and plan accordingly. The squids don't exactly have another obvious neighbor in the sea, and Atlantis mr is quite bad . . .

>>164577057
slut

>>164576081
If I took off that Jade Mask would you die?

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Monolisu Duropu!

>>164577081
>>164577272
I cant help but feel worried about all these you can go fuck up Yomi posts.

>>164577057
>tfw Bioware lost the ability to make good faces
Who'd have thought Miranda's botched scan was the face of things to come

>>164577550
Thats what happens when you start worrying more about SJW shit than making good games.

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>>164577297
yes

>>164577059
I think Trump took those scales

>>164577763
Makes sense, he is playing Yomi.

>>164577521
Eh, if I were TC in most cases if expansion were fast enough I'd fuck up Agartha - they don't have bandit archers that can potentially fuck over Wot5e, and hopefully TC will have more of those than Agartha has Olms - so long as the attack happens before Agartha can hit Earth Meld.

Fomoria needs to settle things with TNN one way with another before anything else - those two have never failed to fight. After that Yomi looks an appealing target due to magic weapons on Nemedians and the ability to sail cap to cap.

Yomi is no one's first priority (even Kailasa in most cases would want to focus on Lanka first), but is likely to be the second priority for a lot of nations, especially those seeking to control the throne that starts near Japan.

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>>164577331
IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY NERFING

>>164507598
Will having played the game since early Dom 3 insulate me against Therodos' badness? Though I haven't played much in awhile.

>>164577081
I think I have a dormant pretender with Pangea. Should I rethink my scales?

>>164507598
>>164578230
Actually Therodos does not seem selectable on this map?

>>164576509
do whatever you have to do I don't mind a restart

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>>164578134
Fuck you! I'm the boss of this gym.

>>164578469
there is a spawn for therodos it's basically next to berytos in the water

>>164578753
Why is it greyed out in single player?

>>164578792
update your .MAP file

>>164578329
Der Gott Pan here, I was able to expand fine and crush Ermor with a dormant W9/E4 you should be fine perfectly with dormant if you have the appropriate bless. My failings afterwards were because I pussy footed around and turtled instead of taking advantage of my bless. By the time I blooded enough to be useful, Sauro and Squids were throwing out demon lords and tarts and I was in the dust.

>>164576876
Wouldn't I just get crushed by TNN before I could get Morrigan access?

>>164577272
The lowish hp/super low protection sacreds don't appeal to me at all. But I find the mages super intriguing.

>>164577081
I'll be honest, I've been running test games playing as Fomoria and TNN at the same time, and I can't find a strategy to beat TNN. Plus the field next to Fomoria's cap often has a lot of wizards and that can even fuck up an awake expander.

EA TC just seems weird to me, I'm assuming W9 is the way to go with WotFE, but after bless rush all there mages just seem so shit besides the celestial masters.

The big variable in all of these strategy calculations is how many of these factions will be stalig within the first 10 turns.

>>164579880
>The big variable in all of these strategy calculations is how many of these factions will be stalig within the first 10 turns.

Ulm's Law

>>164458260
I has noob to the game, before starting to play I
have two questions for helpful anons.

>Is the blessing of your god only applied to sacred troops?

>Does your god provide scales even when he's dormant / imprisoned?

>>164580827
Yes and yes.

Your god's scales apply to where your dominions is and it can spread still while your god is imprisoned.

>>164580827

Blessings are only applied to units who are Blessed. The blessed status can be achieved by the following means:

1) Being a prophet. A prophet is always blessed, even outside combat.

2) Wearing Shroud of the Battle Saint, which I believe also lets you be affected outside of combat.

3) Being a Sacred unit or commander who has either been targeted by a Bless spell or who is fighting alongside your Pretender.

And yes, your scales apply even when you're imprisoned, hence why a bless/scales build might well imprison their pretender for extra points.

What happened to that idea of rebalancing the Warhammer nations?

>>164581561
none of the A-team modders wanted to deal with the mess of a code

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>>164580896
>>164581171
thnx guys, I was watching a nuclearmonkee lets play with xibalba and even with my limited understanding I found it extremely cancerous.

>>164581561
Nobody wants to do it.

>>164557394
I N N O V A T I V E

>Ermor cast BoT for the third time in a row
This game is starting to bore me to death, going to set myself AI unless Abysia or Ulm have anything to say

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>>164582151
>failing a player morale check

>>164575480
Get good income scales, cold, and drain. Spam Hurin Priests, and fly around grabbing shit with skellyspam raiders with a minimal force of bodyguards so they don't get shot by PD. When the priests die, use them to make double-communions of mummies that slam out big earth and death spells.

>>164582151
>can't deal with constant BoT recast

please just get gud, this is typical ermor shit, he's probably only casting at 50-60 gems anywy

>>164582346
>drain
I have been picking magic, maybe that is why I always lose...

>>164582529
>>164582346
Taking drain isn't the answer though, it only helps the Supuayas, unless you wanna do some super meme bless

>>164582312
Sorry, I don't give a fuck. I want to have fun while playing games and if this cocksucker wants to cast BoT all game then he'll do it without me

>>164582416
He seems to be
Maybe I'll cast Dispel again with minimum gems and see if it works

>>164582791
>Sorry, I don't give a fuck. I want to have fun while playing games and if this cocksucker wants to cast BoT all game then he'll do it without me

that's exactly what he wants you to do though

>>164582791
At least all your guys dont reach old age at 35 years old.

>>164583113
He can't give all his mages boots of youth though.

hint hint

>>164579804
EA TC is incredibly cap oriented. Summod makes Masters of the Way more likely to be useful, but they're still not reliably good mages

The go-to strat is to take a big bless for your super wushus, spend lots of gems on summons for that bless, and hope to get astral indies so that you can get more out of your cap mages with communions. You do need to stay ahead as TC, though, since you run into scaling issues in spite of their diversity.

>>164582616
You take drain because your mages are very expensive and have decent RP. I almost never take dominion effects under the assumption that I'll be fighting in it.

>>164583205
I forgot those were a thing.

>>164582898
I don't care, if he wants to be an asshole he can be my guest. I'd imagine this is basic Ermor tactics that a newfag like me can't stand but if I picked Ermor in MP I wouldn't cast BoT at all

>>164583113
If this next Dispel doesn't go through I will send all my dudes on a suicide mission and give all my gold, items and gems to you so you can win easier. He's seems to be losing regardless hence why he cast BoT in the first place I think.

>>164567657

Squads of battemages being operator as fuck, working on unison to rain down thunder from the skies, fire from their ass and piss acid all over their enemies face.

Do you even operate?

>>164583634
If you don't play Arco, Maverni, T&C, or Pythium, you are basically a markata

>>164583756
>He doesn't cast Niefel Flames with his aboleths
why even bother desu

>>164583634
>>164583756
fucking this

>>164579804
TNN vs Fomoria
tell me what are you doing?

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>>164583634
>>164583756
that' a nice script you got there, be a shame if anything happened turn one

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>>164584564
Not this time.

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>>164584564
*casts battlefield luck*
*blinks behind u*

nothin personnel....barbaroi