/scg/edg/ Star Citizen/Elite: Dangerous General #116

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>>164406276
>all that ordnance
>can barely fit 1/4 of it

at least it's not as triggering as that Bucc concept art.

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>>164406742

>>164406276
me on the left

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>>164406276
Is Freelancer DUR going to be the most cost/effective ship in the entire game? I feel like that's going to be the case.

>>164407270
maybe but it looks like a dickmobile

>>164407859
This

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>>164406213
Elite Dangerous ? Depend if you see it as a released game or still as a game that will improve over time (I heard things like EVA and killing alien are planned)
Myself I didn't & will never buy it because I have no interest in a game that sell the real features as a DLC.
If they do that who know if they won't do it again. Sell it at 60$ if you must but make up your mind!
Yes I only pledged 45 buck on Star Citizen, don't bully

>>164406252
Indeed, I'm not supporting as many as I could but you can expand the golden age of space several subgenre.

>I bet no one here know about "Rogue System".
To describe it in one line : You press buttons for 30 minutes just to start the ship.
http://imagespaceinc.com/rogsys/p/
>"Take On Mars" is Arma3 studio playing Astronaut. (I would recommend it if not for that one unrealistic shuttle)
>Osiris:New Dawn (it count because it has spacecraft too)
Is to become a survival game in a Starship Trooper way
And I won't digress into non FPS stuff, like strategy game or spaceship design & management.

I remember we contemplated making a thread for all those games that have Spaceship or vehicle to control in first person, but it didn't go further.

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>>164407270
>>164407859
>>164408046
I thought a large western penis shape was core to MISC design philosophy.

That's why the Razor stood out so much. Not penis shaped enough.

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>>164408675
>Implying all spaceship aren't phallic in a way or another

>>164409227
Other ships wind up that way, MISC makes it a core feature. Subtle difference, to be fair.

>>164409227
If your dick looks like almost any of those, see a doctor immediately

>>164413560
>2017
>your dick not having nacelles
you have an issue mate

>Gay bathhouse
>Penis ships

I think the tone of this thread has been set.

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>>164413560
>Not having a genesis for a cock

What a plebeian.

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r8 this shadow

>>164414486
they said they're working on new shadow tech in the monthly report

>>164409227
>no caterwanker

>>164414486
>Don't turn into pink mist

Fallout has spoiled me

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>>164414669
at the moment grenade explosions don't seem to affect corpses at all, yet the grenades themselves as a physics object do. I assume it's a bug.

>>164415501
>50lb grenade

Its monday, when do those lazy fucks get back from vaycay?

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the fact that the gravity fields extend a good five feet down into the floor is interesting. kind of gives you a skill check wherein if you don't jump off the edge you fall and pickup downward momentum, rather than continuing forward as you might assume would happen.

>>164415651
3rd

>>164415705
I've heard a lot of people fuck up landings, or going through the atmosphere forcefields, but I've never had a problem even at max speed.

Just have to flare it, like you have a parachute. Don't be going straight down into the floor, be going at speed parallel to the ground and ta da you just end up going from 0G to running

>>164415804
the only conclusion I can make is that chris himself loves struts and stupid little wings, since every ship has them.

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>>164415620
more like marines are basically hollow at the moment.
>>164415913
it actually annoys me that you seem to lose all momentum; I want to be into a full sprint or even stumble when I boost into a shield door.

>>164415804
because fuck you is why. Caterpillar has it too. hell the Aquila has one that actually dips down to be more in the way only in front of the pilot's chair.

Why hasn't the """""gaming""""" """"""""""press"""""""""" jumped on this aimbot thing?
You'd think with their hateboner for SC they'd be all over it.

>>164415804
Get in a freelancer and then come complain to me about your lil piece of metal in your way.

>>164416779
Because then they'd have to admit that SC released a patch with significant impact on the rest of the development.

>>164416779
>[game] has hacks!

shocker. Every game does.

>>164416779
what >>164416891 said, that would mean acknowledging star marine, and the publishers that own them don't want them talking about potential competitors for CoDField: Andromeda

>>164416779
>hateboner
Do you guys really think SC is targeted by the press? The press just make clickbait articles to profit off of things they can easily misrepresent. This happens with all games.

>>164416909
>Star Citizen Fails Harder Before Even Releasing; Gets Aimbots That Blow Your Brain Out Even If You Paid $50000

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>>164406276

I have a fully outfitted Viper mkIV and 11 mil, should I save up for FAS or just go for the Vulture now?

>>164418183
sell everything and get a chrome hauler

>>164418183
>he's still trying to talk about E:D

>he still PLAYS E:D

A rare specimen.

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>>164417893

>Do you guys really think SC is targeted by the press?

Not entirely sure, but it feels that way sometimes.

>>164416779
Ironically Gamestar, one of the better German gaming magazines that's usually pretty supportive of SC and also made a video shitting on LOD, published an article titled "Star Citizen has a cheater problem" today.

>>164418183
Go get the Asp. Then use that to earn everything else.

>>164418362
I'm sad because I just got an Oculus but I have to wait to get back on campus before I can use the touch and it turns out there aren't as many fun games as I'd hoped.

Lucky's Tale is dope

>>164418183
If you like killing things 100% of the time then I guess get the Vulture. I never really enjoyed it that much myself but I guess it depends on your playstyle.

>>164418386
Which magazine is that? That's just poor journalism, not even writing the correct name of the game. Then again, video game journalism is babby journalism. I'd be happy if everyone just stopped consuming games media.

>>164417893
Not even a tinfoil fag, but it does appear that the media doesn't like us. Calling the most successful crowdfunding project in history a huge scam is easy clicks. Not to say we have no issues, because we do, but the obvious detractors never stop to see how far we've come.

>>164418386
Is this real

Jesus fucking christ I had no idea.

>>164418386
>focussed
as if we needed any more proof they just let any retard write for them

>>164418386
>that 'why should I care' section
what game was that for I wonder

>>164418857
My understanding is that if you can manage power at a basic level, the Vulture is oe of the best ships in the game.

I kinda like the maneuverability of the FAS though. No reason I can't go Vulture, outfit it, and then just move on from there.

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There are some pretty leet hacks to be had with the launcher, if you know what you are looking for.

Looks like the Cat had a few more tricks up it's sleeve than just the pirate paint job.

I thought this was the MIS at first, then I realized it was a Cat made to look like one.

The dads will be furious.

Which of the ships are intended to be starter ships in the final game? Just Aurora and Mustang?

>>164419398
Looks like burnt wreckage that is probably only meant to be seen in fragments. Nothing all that interesting.

>>164419398
literally has a penis head, glans and all

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>>164419398
>Webm

>>164406474
How?

>>164420436
yes?

>>164420436
wat

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>>164420505
>>164420658
I was speaking of the content of the webm, not webm itself.

http://imgur.com/a/vQixT

This is the PC Games article about SC in case any fellow Kraut cares.

>>164422254
you guys sure have some silly words

>>164418787
Elite Dangerous and Dirt Rally are probably the best games in VR right now, the touch is nice, space pirate trainer and audiosheild are fun, but there's nothing that has as much long term appeal as the seated stuff. I honestly don't think I'd play half as much ED as I do if it weren't for VR, and vice versa.

>>164422639
Deine Mutter du Hurensohn.

>>164419398
GAUNA

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post shipfus

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>>164423961
Tanikaze pls

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>>164424039
The Best shipfu

>can command a decent squadron
>can punch way above its weight if used properly
>will be the backbone of most small fleets for orgs
>Can kill any ship with good turret coverage, assuming you have the right NPCs
>even has standard missiles (Turreted!) for smaller pray
>looks good
>From RSI, so you know it's reliable and rugged

Are Aegisfags/Anvilfags even trying?

>>164424218
That show was crap

>>164424731
I thought it was decent. Had great sound design at least.

>lose shields
>get hit once
>half your weaponry is gone
the super hornet is such a fucking meme
are they going to fix this or is this intentional?

Just bought Star citizen, is there anything I need to know before jumping in?

i watched 2 minutes of that star citizen cringe fan made movie.

I've never cringed more in my entire life

btw are they starting the regular uploading schedule this week?

>>164425784
It's not done and they're working hard on it. Be patient.

>>164424405
good choice, I'm not a fan of RSI's aesthetic though personally, I'll probably end up flying one of these at some point anyway.

>>164425784
Lots of bugs, lots of content not there yet, a long road ahead of us to 3.0 and beyond.

>>164425784
you're gonna die because you suck and there's no tutorial. do vanduul swarm first, then pirate swarm.

>>164425451
You're lucky your ship survives any physical connection to a projectile in the year eighty billion in space. It's unrealistic that you are ONLY as annoyed as you are.

>>164426069
Obviously. Remember the one free fly I did.

I managed to get my rented ship to lift off but had no Idea what to do after and just started spinning around before I crashed back into the station.

>>164425784
>>164425954
Another thing: if you have questions, your best bet is the reddit Q&A here: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5knavz/weekly_question_and_answer_thread_december_27_2016/

It's fairly decent at getting you answers to most questions. You can try here but sometimes we have very salty anons who want to be difficult.

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Isn't this game just a normie eve online?

>>164426310
>salty anons
salty goons

>>164426421
>its in space so it must be like eve xdd

>>164426421
EVE has terrible gameplay SC at least has the chance to have good moment to moment gameplay.

>>164426146
your post made me think of this dumb documentary i saw years ago
https://youtu.be/8WdozptfNu8?t=2067
34:30 if your browser can't into timecodes

>>164426421
What's eve about it? Can't be the gameplay!

>>164426704
pls don't start this flame war

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SM feels so clumsy and random.

I'm getting pretty bad input lag but it feels bad even outside of that.

>>164418071
WTFOSAURUS ADD makes him based

>>164426896
Maybe they want foot combat to feel awful to make you dread getting boarded in the final game. No one but the boarding parties themselves are gonna be ready for combat anyway. In this way a ship-boarding metagame is still sustained despite that imbalance: invaders will instead be racing against a self-destruct activation since everyone onboard would rather just fucking die than do FPS shit.

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>>164426896
top of the leaderboard should be Frame Drops, because that's what's been getting all the kills

>>164427176
yeah, shocking that cultist would look up to a creep

Anyone know when we're getting the next buy-back tokens?

>>164430743
Theoretically on the 1st, but Turbulent is too incompetent to trigger that automatically or remotely for some reason so probably sometime this week.

>>164430440
Don't be ridiculous, it's not creepy to come up behind a girl, put both hands around her neck and give her a kiss! Not creepy at all!

>>164419664
>Looks like burnt wreckage that is probably only meant to be seen in fragments.
> It's obviously a penis.
You are too pure hearted for this world.

>>164430440
>not knowing what based means
>not knowing these two are actually friends

You've blown your cover m8

Should I hold on to my UEC?

All of the prices in the Voyager Direct store are fucking ridiculous.

>>164432339
Yes.

>>164432339
Yes. UEC will be the in game currency in beta/release. Ignore VD until at least beta.

What's the best missile for a size 1 hardpoint?

>>164433086

Marksman I or Spark I

if I'm loading S1 I usually use Sparks because there's no countermeasure for CS missiles

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best ship

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>>164437650
To die miserably in.

Damn, the people in Crusader are really friendly. Makes me really excited for 3.0, if the netcode gets sorted then even in the limited world, flying with friends and strangers will be really fun.

>>164415804
Pretty sure it'll be too far down the canopy to be a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiO3o6cIDuQ

What does everybody think of this Rust in space with orbital mechanics? Supposed to go into early access this month.

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>>164438863

I mean, there's no point in being anything other than friendly

There's no objectives aside from sat reset missions and little else, and being an asshole to be an asshole instead of an asshole to steal someone's shit gets boring quickly

>>164439580
Interested in trying it out. That's about it though

>>164439656
Dad

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>>164440472

excellent post

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>>164438863
>>164439656
>TFW being a friendly asshole and blowing the shit out of peoples ships for no reason then spawning them a better replacement ship and being on my way to continue the cycle.

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So back in the early days of this general and of this game. I had been posting strawpolls where people could vote for the ship they would be "maining." It was more for simple curiosity than having any tangible benefit.

Today, while clearing out some old files on a back-up drive I found some of the old links. I figured I'd share in case anyone could get a kick out of it.

This is a stawpoll from Oct '13: http://strawpoll.me/147774/r

And in Dec '13 I was starting this because it was cool to have graphs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18FuGxWQW2BV2CwSATOvOnAcLeLgVJ4dNLhp0sEtKhik/edit#gid=4
(there are other tabs at the bottom)

>>164443603

>300 series at ship most people will main

boy how the times have changed

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>>164443603
so, with that blog outta the way. Would folks be interested in seeing a redux of something similar?

It'd be a bit different now because there are more ship options than stawpoll will allow choices, but I'm sure I can work it out. Feel free to tell me to piss off if my /scg/ is dead and gone and you have no desire to return to "the missile meta."

>>164443881
That is probably because back then, most people weren't collecting jpegs, and the 300 series was the most popular starter package if you wanted not just the absolute bare minimum aurora.

>>164443892
I would be interested and participate yes

>>164444320
>most people weren't collecting jpegs
Huehuehuehue

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>>164444320

my first pledge was for the Avenger back when it was still listed as a TR5 main thruster and a S5 nose cannon

How do I git gud?

>>164447725
Rent better weapons, lower your speed, use AB a ton.

>>164447725
use your environment and remember that fair fights are failed fights

>>164447945
how do I rent weapons? Also what is AB?

Has ED been updated since the guardians? Any sign of ayys?

SPACE LEGS WHEN??

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People can call this game a scam, but jesus it looks good even on low.

>>164448351
with REC earned in AC,Afterburner

>>164448351
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/electronic-access

>>164450146
Only memesters call it scam citizen nowadays. On the other hand the delivery time of the game remains to be seen god fuckin knows when.

also

FFS POLISH THE STARTER SHIPS + FIX THE GOD DAMN AMATEUR WEBSITE CIG

>>164452773
>I'm in love with a Tevarin
I'm going to read this magazine, for research purposes

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>>164453525
I'm more interested in the Hull magazine. What's the interior like? How many people do you need to run them? Is it a family affair? How nice are the beds? I must know more about the series because I will be using them a lot.

What is there to do in the pu?

>>164455187
Fuck around, steal people's ships, deny access to Korea, explore the astroid belt around Yela.

Here, educate yourselves!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U57IShA4PNU

>>164452773
don't let the furfags on the forum find out about this
what ship is that anyways

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>>164456314
He's not fucking wrong. Getting more people to back is a good thing, so sales and deals is a good thing. Autistic screeching about how people getting a better deal somehow cheapens your experience of a game that's not even out yet makes you look like some kind of spoiled goddamn child.

>>164457161
>agreeing with leddit

The issue is integrity not deals. CIG has continually broken their word. How can you actually ever expect them to deliver the product as advertised or even anywhere close?

>>164457637
Discounting an idea due to where it originates from is retarded. And marketing has always been a crapshoot, especially with Black Hole Ben in there.

>>164457891
If everyday previous to today a restaurant serves you shit sandwiches, there is a good chance you're gonna end up with a mouth of shit.

>excusing lies because a none idiot is involved
Its ok to do bad things just because you always do them. That's called normalization and we don't take too kindly to normies round these parts.

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>>164457637
>How can you actually ever expect them to deliver the product as advertised or even anywhere close?
Not the anon you replied to.
We can expect what we'll get from them from their constant progress updates, as evidence to their work. If they say "We'll have multicrew ships with physics grids" then we will have to see evidence of that, which they have produced. If they say that they'll have damage model updates, then we'll need to see evidence of that.

If they say that they'll have useable planets, moons, asteroids, and multiple star systems, then they will need to produce evidence. It's the same for all things they do. So far they've done an ok job on that end. I'm not trying to say that the guy in that video is 100% correct, since that is a little bit shady on CIG's end, but it is true - and I've seen it myself - that some people that are into SC are extraordinarily entitled and don't seem to understand that CIG doesn't cater to them individually, especially the ones who put thousands into the money pool. If CIG needs to accrue a large sum of money to bring them through 2, 3, or 4 more years of full on development, than the cash deals are expected since new backers would want to get in on those things as well.

>>164458668
you're reasonable, I like you

>>164459080
thats common fucking sense.
I do not grasp how people can not think of that answer bythemselves.
jesus christ maybe stop broadcasting space fighting simulations on your fucking national geographic TV
no wonder there are so many retarded people with such small horizonts

>>164457637
>deliver the product as advertised

As pitched?

>>164449829
>Has ED been updated since the guardians?
No, but a combat balance and bug fixing patch is coming out in the next couple weeks

>Any sign of ayys?
Nope, we're all just waiting to see what a horrible fucking debacle Multicrew ends up being

>SPACE LEGS WHEN??
It's on the list

Are aliens gonna be in star citizen?

>>164460861
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/khartu/Khartu-Al
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/merchantman/Merchantman

Please tell me you are trolling.

>>164460861
yes. several species

>>164439051
the canopy isn't fighter sized.
That's the front of a subway train.

>>164461002
No I just didn't know. Server I joined(fucked ship spawning) had some dude spawning the same red ship that had some symbols so I was curious.

>>164461082
Is the head in the weapon shop one of them?

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>>164461179
>>164460861
here's the ayys

>>164461179
Yeah vanduul skull I believe

>>164461317
that's not even a skull, they just look like that

>>164461268
>everything is scaley humanoids/furries with very dominant facial features

I get it's because mocap will make it easier to animate them in a good way but the design is really boring on all of them.

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walking out this door should be fairly straightforw-

>>164462530
actually it's because they didn't want entire fleets of alien ships that players could never pilot because the cockpits were made for tentacles or prehensile tongue controls or some shit like that

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Will there be derelict versions of every ship in 3.0?

It'd be cool to explore dead Caterpillars, Freelancers, and other shit as missions. Pretty easy way for some simple fun

>NPC soldiers hiding inside

So if I buy one of the game packages, it's the actual game i'm buying, right? IT's not Early Access stuff where if the game inevitably comes out, I'll have to buy it again? I just buy once and it's done forever?

>>164463576
If it says Star Citizen digital download then you get the game
There's also Squadron 42 which they're selling as a separate game so if you want the single player campaign you'll need the bigger package

No rush/real reason to buy atm though

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Just realised I can park my SRV under my ship and use my Diamondback's point defence turrets as a missile screen even while the ship is unmanned.

Makes me feel a lot safer about fighting the drones that spawn with missiles; though it's funny that running into a rock a bit too hard does damage through shields, but a heat seeking missile doesn't.

>>164462562
I couldn't breathe when I tried to leave the station.
Also died after being stranded in space for 20 seconds after my ship despawned.

>>164464905
did you have a space suit on? there's no air in space you know

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>>164454229
>hullA

looks bretty comfy desu

>>164464557
I really wish the game had more mooks to make you feel less squishy. Probably the best thing about drones is that they're the closest we have to that. Just a shame that targeting them is such a pain.

not a single elite post in here, just remove /edg/, it's dead

>>164468097
-> >>164464557

>>164468097
I don't play ED but yes there are.
Stop shitposting.

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>ED is a boring grind-fest, but it's the only relatively modern online space sim out there right now
>SC is nowhere near enough of a game to replace it for me yet, even though it obviously will eventually

sucks to be a space cuck, lads

>>164443603
Wow so many retaliator owners

>>164468724
no matter how shit the retaliator is, it makes a great hangar ornament

>>164464557
point defence turrets actually work now?

last time I checked they were literally worthless

How is elite dangerous nowadays ? still the same shit ?
bugs are still unfixed ?
arena is still empty ?
point of the game is still to grind ?
Players still can't create a guild / alliance and buy a space station and manage it ?
Will there be any kind of system where players will have an impact on the galaxy ?
Is there a solar system where people can go and meet up, talk, organise stuff on space stations like space race, SVR races, arena fights in game with our ships ?
We still can't land on earths with atmosphere ?
Will they add some group mission, where you need to take a space stations, fight a big spaceship ?

>>164469354
Meh. Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Correct.
Not really.
That would be for you to organize.
No atmosphere landings.
Hahahahahahahahaha. Probably not.

>>164469454
what are they adding to the game then ?

>>164469931
lots and lots of crappy ship skins for only $5 each

>>164469931
RNG upgrade for your equipment, which is the most insulting grindfest for no guarantees in any game I have ever played.

>>164470050
>>164470146
and people are still okay with this ? Or they are starting to tell frontier to fuck off with this shit ?

>>164470205
scream all you want, frontier won't listen because there are still dads that are ok with it
as long as 1 dad continues to pay, they'll continue pissing people off

>>164470205
How dare you anon. We are months, not years from finally having legs and being able to walk around extremely limited areas but not actually doing anything new, so watch that tone you have.

>>164470315
>legs
I still don't get this meme.

>>164469931
since 2.0 they've added:
>Engineers - lets you roll on upgrades for weapons and modules - super grindy, super RNG, annihilated combat balance, pvp scene was almost totally destroyed
>AI upgrade - NPCs are somewhat less retarded in combat
>Module storage - a pretty good QoL upgrade
>Ship transfer - you can pay money to transfer a ship from anywhere to your current location, would be good except the dads ruined it by asking for a timer to be added, and wouldn't you know it, FD listened, so now you have to wait like an hour or more before you can get your ship
>Ship-launched fighters - a novelty item, kinda fun for pve but that's it
>Passenger missions - essentially cargo missions by another name
>Beluga Liner - a really big Orca
>Colonia - a system far out from the main bubble where dads can pretend they're colonizing the game world, but really FD is controlling everything that happens like always

>>164470205
no one outside of the 20 or so old grognards who circlejerk each other infinitely on the official forums is okay with anything FD has been doing since the first big fuckup with Powerplay... but FD continues to listen to them for whatever reason

>>164470452
Eventually, you are supposed to be able to get out of the ship and walk around. I don't personally think this will add anything significant since it probably won't be integral to gameplay and, like most single aspects, can be totally skipped if you prefer.

The river gets wider, but not any deeper.

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>>164468724
>>164468787
I'm gonna have serious trouble not buying back my bomber again when I get my next credit buyback token. I keep melting it during anniversary sales because its poorly designed but keep buying it back later on because its so damned sexy. I really hope they let up swap out turrets with completely different ship systems on some sort of pylon or turret socket mount. I still think that giving the pilot a couple missiles pylons and letting us mix and match the turret slots with like jammers and a couple fixed guns would fix 80% of the tali's issues.

IMO:
-keep turret 1 becasue it's the only well placed turret on the ship.
-replace turret 2 with a fixed or gimbal mount
-replace turrets 3 and 4 with jamming pods
-keep turret 5 for belly coverage or replace it with like a mine launcher

Crew requirement reduced by 2 or 3, survivability increased, core role remains intact and it hasn't been made into an OP fighter deleting platform.

Like bombers in the real world it does not need lots more firepower to accomplish its goals it needs more purely defensive and evasive systems in place of its questionably effective and difficult to balance turrets.

>>164470738
For me personally, I'd much rather see updates that add things like walking around over things like engineers or powerplay. I actually get quite a bit of fun out of the even the lifeless planetary landings simply because it's more actual gameplay instead of more time in menus.
Likewise, I think the ship launched fighters are honestly one of the best things we've seen added to the game since planetary landings and the SRV.

Can I replace the Mustang Alpha gimballed nose gun with a fixed gun?

>>164471462
It took me almost 300 hours to figure out it was a windshield simulator. There is no emergence in ED. On top of the fact that your actions don't mean anything, there are very very few opportunities to encounter other players, and even less reason to cooperate with them.

SC has hundreds of more emergent gameplay opportunities in the current PU than ED has in it's entire galaxy. QoL improvements means your life before sucked.

>>164468787
This is my primary use for the Retaliator until they figure it out.

>>164471389
>Fix the retaliator
Size 2 guns on the turrets.
I mean ffs the cutlass has s3 on the turret.

>>164472720
>Size 2 guns on the turrets.
It has S2s already.

>>164468560
>Tfw would be playing ED if not for the fact that Frontier listened to the dads with introducing QOL features, ruining those QOL features

I've never hated a group of people so much before.

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>>164472720
>>164472789
Yea m8 its has S2s on the turrets for like a year, S3s on the turret would be too much and would star allowing some really silly setups.

The whole idea for me is to make it able to survive and escape without simply making it a hard counter to single seat ships, giving it 10x S3 guns would make it a hard counter, think 10x Pyros.

The only firepower boost I could get behind would be making the turrets Quad S2s, which would increase the per turret firepower but make burst control necessary to preserve power and not burn out the turrets.

>>164472789
Sorry last time I checked they were all size one.
Good thing that changed then.

>>164473146
1 quad turret (your #1 in the diagram) and the rest dual would work well I think. Part of the problem with ships like the Tali is that its supposed to be modular and customizable but they haven't added any components besides weapons so it makes them feel lackluster.

So, for the star citizen ships, are each of the variants actually different ships, or just different loadouts of the same ship treated separately for loadout testing purposes?

For example, in the main game will I buy a Mustang Alpha and a Mustang Delta separately from each other, or will I just buy a Mustang hull and outfit it as I choose?

>>164474124
>>164473146
Quad turret would be awesome!
And it would make the Tali desireable if it was one of the only ships with it.

>>164474338
It depends, 300 and 350R are different because the hull needs to be changed to accomodate those double engines, but the 325A is the normal 300 hull with combat parts.
I think you'd be ok with the Mustang but I've got no clue because it's all vague as fuck.

>>164474338
Ships like the Avengers are the same ships with different internal loadouts.

>>164474561
>>164475147
thanks for the info, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't pigeonholing myself to one particular build when I buy something

I'm trying to get a decent mid-tier ship for this game but I have no idea what's good in this game yet, I'm a new convert from ED

>>164475735
The way I view it is like this. If you want to spend the bare minimum, get an Aurora package and call it a day. Same thing as starting with a Sidewinder. If you don't mind spending a bit more money, get an Avenger. That's what I have. Has cargo, can dog fight decently. Has a bed. If you actively want to spend more money (which I don't suggest), then you'll have to get opinions from others.

>>164474338
Some variants are just a different loadout on the same basic hull. Others are altered hulls that are similar but not completely interchangeable.

I see >>164474561 & >>164475147 be to it it a bit

For my own example, the freelancer and its variants are all altered hulls and have unique parts/elements that cannot be swapped between them.

Man they should really just make all variants be based on the same hull. Like part of the fun of these kind of games is tweaking the ship.

I guess it's all subject to change.

>>164476812
You can still tweak the ship.

an F7-C and F7-CM can still end up filling the same roles (like AEW / Stealth / ""cargo""), just one chassis trades other things for another seat.

>>164476812
While I agree that most of the differences between hull variants seem so small as not to justify the work, I feel like there are going to be a lot of times where Chris just takes it way too fucking far and we'd better make our peace with that

Who /WaitingForTheBoomslangAndTheDrakeShipFromTNGS/ here?

>>164478632
Boomslang is a disgusting ship
>doesn't look origin
>doesn't sound origin
>a few autists want origin to be big and manly so they want a boomslang

>>164475735
>decent mid-tier ship
The Avenger is actually a really great ship, if used correctly. Assuming you will eventually be able to swap out the internal setup with each of the variants anyway.

For any 1v1 encounter, the Warlock variant is hands down the best ship. I don't care what you're flying, I can kill it and survive. If I can swap out the EMP for cargo space or prisoner pods at some point later, it will be the only ship I end up needing... aside from a Carrack.

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>upgrades to Avenger Titan still not fixed
>still no buyback tokens
Fucking Turbulent

>>164478632
never going to happen they are already removing the ugly think that is redeemer and giving everyone a hoplite in its place cause the contest was shit anyways

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>>164481943
>Source: Your Ass.

>>164478632
>>164479105
I don't care about origin or whether it feels origin at all. I like it because it looks like a futuristic transport helo.

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Best TNGS

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>>164482671
Butthurt TNGS fan, it's okay it will be added in lore only as a failed ship at one point

>>164482671
I hate the wheeled designs on so many of these ships, unless of course these ships will have to take off like planes within atmosphere, which I doubt will happen.

>>164481943
Honestly would have no problems with this. The Redeemer is a mess.

>>164482671
>>164483252
Would have no issue if these and the Redeemer were added as flight ready ships to SC ONLY IF they get a proper redesign, which will undoubtedly happen considering how old they are. They're nice gunship options, in concept anyway. It'd at least add more variety to the current lineup.

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>>164481943

Certainly you have a source for such a bold claim and not wild speculation and assumptions, right?

You wouldn't just make shit up and lie, would you?

As a standard it should be an option to switch out a larger sized gun for 2 guns of a smaller size for turrets.

>>164487319
Not that anon but its clear they think its a shitty ship.

Why else would they make a variant specifically to avoid using it for SQ42?

Good on CIG.

>>164489969
Supposedly thats the idea eventually.

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>>164483659
Helicopter have wheels.
Its make them easier to roll into hangar.

I keep wondering how we will move some of those fighter from their parking to Carrier's catapult. Floating to them kind of bring how silly those are in space.
Kind of what we expected of CR anyway.

>>164489969
What would be the advantage of larger guns then? Unless its drops two sizes, the double guns will most likely out damage the larger size.

Maybe you could make the larger guns punch through shields and armor easier?

Im all for increased customization but im curious how they will balance it out.

>>164483659
I imagine its for moving them without having to power them up or in smaller more compact areas. Makes sense to me at least.

>>164490358
If you've read the most recent hardpoint stuff CIG has put out, "twin-link" is going to be a thing, replacing any gun with two of -1 size.

I assume the trade off will be signature, heat, power requirement, cost and what you said; penetrating power or similiar metrics.

>>164490243
>Helicopter

I'm just responding to the obvious example in that image. Many ships have wheels, avenger series, 300 series I'm pretty sure, plus more. I just dislike the wheeled design on space shps. It seems to serve no purpose when your vehicle doesn't need to build momentum to take off, when they can go vertical at a moment's notice, and just accelerate immediately.

>>164490470
Guess that could make sense. It's a nitpick of mine, as mentioned above with the vertical comment.

>>164490037

Not a source.

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>>164490760
They wouldn't put out a direct source, but its clear to anyone. :)

>Have a gunship/troop carrier ship in the game for years
>rework a much newer ship completely out of its normal role specifically not to have to use it because you hate it so much

When is Squadron 42 supposed to be released?

>>164491563
"When it's done"

>>164491563
2017
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/squadron42#
(last year it said 2016, next year it will say 2018)

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>>164491563

2018 if you're an optimist

>>164491563

after Episode 3

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>leaderboards in alpha
>unique seasonal elitist gladiator title
>cryengine
>no cheat protection
How many of you guys are practicing to get gud?

>>164497128
Why would I try to git gud at something in alpha missing half its mechanics?

>>164497128
>unique seasonal elitist gladiator title
source?

>>164491563
In 2014. No, in 2015. Nope in 2016. also no but absolutely in 2017, there is no point to lose faith

Remember a day or so before the aimbot video got posted and you cultists got BTFO?

Well I was in here and mentioned being able to spot aimbot users already, because of their high score. And I just went over to RSI to get a source for this guy >>164497316 and noticed on the leaderboard page, the top player for Last Stand mode may very well be the one I found cheating, his name is really familiar.

>[AD] Nebthtet

>>164497316
I don't remember where I saw it, sorry guy.

>>164497981
No 1 cur

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Do you think CIG are competent enough to hardware ban this guy? He's probably a whale, so he'll just buy more accounts.

>>164497981
>Being this booty bothered you can't git gud

lol

>>164499243
What do you mean? If I wanted to improve I could play Star Marine more. Please elaborate.

>>164498795

What's wrong with whales?

They're literally the cucks of the fanbase

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>>164500262
Nothing. They should hardware ban the guy, and make him buy another $2000 PC then another $5000 in Star Citizen, then just bookmark his stats and check them every week. He'll eventually learn not to cheat.

Why is this nigger so anally devastated over hacking or cheating or whatever that's he's writing up daily blogs?

Is it just the extra strength autism field this thread always generates?

>>164500427
>accuracy 38%
even godmode can't git this scrub gud

>>164500791
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/contact-us
Report the guy.

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>>164491563
>When is Squadron 42 supposed to be released?
December 2014.

I don't know how I'd feel if the rumors were true that they've pushed back SQ42 again and had to throw out half the mo-cap acting. It'd be funny but also annoying.

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>>164502165

Jesus, this guys blog:
https://sites.google.com/view/starcitizenflightmodelproposal
Has he even played 2.6 ?

Just got me the constellation andromeda. How fucked am I?

>>164503591
Depends. Were you planning to spend that money on food or housing?

>>164503964
Nah not really. But next three month no income.

>>164504584
Well you have a pretty okay spaceship now. I hope at least you can rope someone into crewing it with you otherwise yes, you're fucked

>>164502848
I mean, I skimmed it but he's not wrong.

Most people do end up jousting at full AB, or circle strafing.

I hope there's a way to get a S42 gladius in the pu

I really want those bigger wing mounts

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>>164469354
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L__03e6N0iA
Btw check that R3VISION shillbot in the comments.

I bet it's Pecisk.

>>164504584
>Knows there won't be income
>Buys an expensive digital ship

Dude, wtf are your priorities. Well, at least you can sell it if you need some money back

>>164505071
I don't really understand the point of a top 10 shittiest things that happened this year in E:D video but I guess when you're that bored by the game anything appears like a good idea

>>164505497
well the top 2 would be:
>bought the game
>frontier said 'no refunds'

>>164505497
What is so hard to understand here?

>>164502848
He's right in a lot of ways and I wouldn't mind seeing the the changes he suggest very informed blog and wouldn't hurt fun at all and make it way better

>>164505497
I'm assuming he wants to point out to Frontier the shit they fucked up and what they need to improve upon.

>>164506573
Frontier knows.
Frontier doesn't care.

>>164506641
Is Frontier really that bad?

>>164507702
Look at the latest Planet Coaster reviews

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What's the practical use of this ship?

>>164507702
>Changes a game that people already paid for to online-only a week or two before release
>constantly nerfs any kind of way of getting cash that doesn't make you want to kill yourself
>lies about certain game mechanics
>lies through their teeth during commercials

yes

>>164507898
Whale fodder to fund the game

Can I push the smaller procedural rocks around Yela?

>>164507898

Literally attractive.jpg

>>164508029
There's also their releasing of game content/mechanics behind a paywall, releasing content that is literally pay 2 win.

>>164462530
To be fair, humanoids usually are going to be able to dominate their environments better than most animals. It isn't wrong to assume most intelligent alien life would probably be humanoid.

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>>164508213

>>164504761
The andromeda is easily soloable.

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>>164416884

>>164508232
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Engineers.

Honestly, the ONLY positive thing about E:D that I can say is that it is out. It functions, and is released. Which sadly means a lot.

>>164508381
If you mean convergent evolution, it only really applies when environments aren't too dissimilar.

>>164507898
I'm going to buy one in game just to cruise circles around the noobie area and bump their auroras around.

>>164508569
kek

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>>164508453
>>164507898
I believe you're looking for this, Anon

>>164507898
-Hosting posh parties, getting contact with rich snobs so you can get access to more lucrative actual work.
-Stargazing, the view out the front window when its opened is gonna be second to none.
-Charging ERPs for access and security by the hour.
-VIP transport missions.
-Smuggling.
-Being a richfag and driving around in your richfagmobile to make sure everyone knows it.

Why does anyone own a Yacht IRL?

>>164508992
Yacht that I know of

>>164508587
Yeah, engineers is the p2w aspect. You pay money and you have direct offensive advantages against people without it, direct engine and speed advantages, pretty sure there are defensive advantages too. As for content/mechanics, planetary landings, ship launched fighters, multicrew, player customization are what I was speaking of there. Frontier should have instead went hard on the microtransactions (fairly priced) to make their money. Skins, extra ship customization. Instead they got this weird idea that it'd be smart to just keep away major game mechanics from people without having to pay more money.

>>164508992
>Charging ERPs for access and security by the hour.
Why would erotic roleplayers need security?

>>164508569
top kek anon. This is basically true

>>164507898
Apparently at some point players will be able to host shit on their ships. It's a long ways away, but CR has said that when they get that advanced AI mission shit rolling, this can generate different kinds of jobs and create reputation with different kinds of people.

I doubt it'll be that complex, but hell, we have about 2 - 3+ years until SC as a whole could be considered a true game with the current scope, so we'll have to see. By then we'd be on 5.0 or 6.0 or something.

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>the view out the front window when its opened is gonna be second to none.
>the view out the front window
>the view

I got bad news for you, Anon.

>>164508569
underrated post

>>164509327
Have someone else flying the ship and keep an eye on radar. Nothing ruins a night like being boarded and murdered by screaming 14 year olds because you were too busy fapping to notice that cutlass docking.

>>164509543
is that little fucking Comcast dish real and not shooped on?

>>164510610

>does this game have really dumb aesthetic and function decisions with 80% of their ships?

yes

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>>164509738
>A large cabal of rich furfags convene on their 890 jump for their regularly-planned meeting.
>In the center room, they wait eagerly. The security detail arrives, pulse weapons at the ready, in strategic formation to protect the VIPs
>Outside the space yacht, a wing of Super Hornets fly in loose formation above, below and to the sides of the ship, eyes in every direction.
>Inside the ship, bells chime. At this signal, the furfags of numerous alien races, none of them human, disrobe and begin engaging in heinous acts, crimes against natural law.
>The unsuspecting guards stand at the perimeter and simply watch, stomachs turning as the furfags turn on VOIP, the synchronous sound of moist slapping permeating through the ship
Oh god please no.

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>>164508569

>>164457161
I never expected to see a drakengard post in here.

>>164508569
it's funny cuz it's true

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>>164512156
No one expects to see Drakengard. That game hates everyone. Drakengard 3 is good, though, as is NieR. New one looks fucking great. I think Platinum games was the right choice.

>>164512747
>2b figures

Oh my.

Right chaps. I have a Mustang Alpha, and it's dogshit. I also don't have the time to farm REC all of the time.

I need the cheapest ship that'll either be a) fun and (reasonably) competitive in PvP/PvE or b) competitive in racing.

Skillcap and gitgud ships are fine. I'd prefer not having to spend too much rec renting weapons, but it's not a big issue.

What do I go for?

>>164508537
>snub fighter
>two(2) manned turrets
>easily soloable

What did he mean by this?

>>164514647
Avenger Titan probably. Or a Mustang Delta, but it tends to be broken as fuck in most patches and they removed the ability to swap the missile pods for guns.

>>164514664
means you're slightly less fucked soloing a connie rather than an Idris.
>but still fucked

>>164514664
That soloing an Andromeda, or crewing it with NPCs is a lot more viable than doing the same with larger vessels.

It still occupies the "can potentially bring fixed guns to bear" zone

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>>164514976
>easily soloable
>okay, well, a lot more viable than X
>maybe you'll even hit something with the nose guns... potentially

>>164514792
Any ships that are presently available?

>>164515382
The Titan should be, but Turbulent is incompetent as fuck and accidentally disabled the upgrades to it.

>>164515367
Well I'm not that anon, but thats what I'm assuming he was talking about.

Can solo it now and easily hit shit with the fixed guns.
>nose guns

oh you don't actually know shit, do you

>>164515452
Shame about the lack of upgrade. Would this (the avenger titan) be any good for racing, or just for combat?

>>164515720
combat, has some cargo space, you might(?) be able to race it ingame with better engine and some real good tuning

>>164515487
And who exactly are these shitters who can't stay ahead of your turning radius? AI? Or is this free for all AC where they're already dodging someone else?

For 2-3 light fighters working together it should be child's play disabling a lone solo-manned Constellation

>>164515720

It's fast and has decent weapon loadout aside from anemic missile hardpoints, and it has cargo

it's the 'i don't know what i want to do in the game yet' ship

>>164515908
>turning radius
>in a space craft
>2-3 players should be able to kill 1

mmhm

>>164515974
Right I didn't think you had an answer for any of that

>>164516094
Yes, anon

>>164515959
>>164515898
That sounds like it might be fine then. As I just want something inexpensive to tide me through more of the alpha.

Do we know if it'll be enabled for upgrade? Is the more suited for combat - as an upgrade to that is only £30.

>>164516175
is the avenger stalker*

>>164516175

the stalker is the same ship with different default wingmounts and prisoner pods instead of an empty cargo hull

it's slightly slower since it actually has shit in the cargo bay

>>164516245
Not really. It's exactly the same ship except slightly slower and it trades the cargo space for some prison cells of questionable usability.

>>164516343
>>164516372

Right-o, guess I'll have to buy a second ship. At least I can upgrade the alpha to something at a later point then.

>>164516478
You could just wait until they re-enable the upgrade sometime this week.

>>164516343
I understand that you can change the modules out and the Stalker comes with the cells default. If you wanted to change over to cargo, how does that work?

Is the "cargo module" just the lack of other modules?

Does the module you are not using need floor space in the hangar for storage?

>>164516747

they're all the same hull

Titan = empty cargo bay
Stalker = Prisoner pods
Warlock = EMP module

currently there's no way to just swap the modules but there will be in-game eventually

>>164516559
Oh okay, so that will happen? Cool, I'll hold out on that then.

In the long run I probably want one nippy ship for small things, and then a more durable ship with a quantum drive, so this would fit for one.

>>164517053
>that will happen?
It should at least. Along with the buyback token we were supposed to get on the 1st. But this is Turbulent we're talking about here, so expect the worst.

>>164517053
All ships except snubs have a quantum / jump drive.

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Anyone want to autistically/pointlessly ponder on the various possibilities of massive organizational conflicts within entire lawless star systems?

I'd want to be sort of in the "backlines" (whatever that would be in 3 dimensional space), being paid by the damaged fighters participating in the war to resupply them with ballistics/missiles and reparations to their ships :3

>>164432306
> not knowing what a creep is

You've outed yourself as a fellow creep, my boy

>>164517272
Oh okay, I'd misunderstood something along the way then. Thanks.

>>164518318
>please tell me that's a fake
>please tell me that's a fake
>please tell me that's a fake
>please tell me that's a fake

>>164518681
>Not seeing this before

anon..

>>164518742
>ignorance is bliss
I didn't know it existed, and I was much happier for it

>>164470523
>the dads ruined it by asking for a timer to be added, and wouldn't you know it, FD listened, so now you have to wait like an hour or more before you can get your ship
but that defeat the point of such a feature. Does they realize it's a game and not reality ? Where things can just go faster to not be boring ?
>>164470523
>who circlejerk each other infinitely on the official forums
As anyone tried to circlejerk on the forums too ? like if we are a lot to circlejerk they'll probably listen to the loudest voice

>>164518318
I had forgotten those chaps.

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>>164518318

delet this

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>>164518681
>>164518742
>>164518915
>>164520216
On the bright side, the game has built-in mechanics for dealing with their kind of filth. Bombers. No prisoners will be taken.

>>164520549
You misunderstand anon

They're untouchable. They'll likely stay in UEE safe space, so if we go out of our way to hunt them down and smite them, we'll be removed from main servers and put onto ones with other "murderers". At least, according to quotes from 2013.

We will need them to go into pirate space before we can outright destroy them, which won't happen.

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>>164518318
I wish they had actually spoken. Guess they weren't that brave.

>>164521146
Care to source those quotes

>>164521489
It's actually a thing. A horrible, horrible thing: squeaky toy furries. I am going to look forward to eviscerating them in the beta PU.

>>164505071
So have the dads began excommunicating Obsidian yet? Complaining about Elite is comparable to child murder with these people.

>>164521146
Numbers should be sufficient, a kill on the sly here, and there. Infiltrate them and betray them. It shouldn't be so hard for us to rain fire down upon their souls.

>>164517515
Several days ago, I suggested that this was something I wanted to do as well. I got called a dad.