/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

I am fondling pigs

I am fond of New Years

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>>164207739
I was playing as fanatic pacifist in this game and 200 years in I was still expanding.
I started picking up protectorates just to get more influence for sending colony ships.

You need like 40% of the galaxy to win right?
I suppose maybe I'd run out of space to colonize later on, but I could easily bait a fallen empire into declaring war on me, or wait for a disaster to open up new space for me to colonize.

>Russia piles units on units on my border
>Can't declare war other than suprise war
>Do so
>Everyone gets mad at me
Holy shit i'm just defending myself!

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Stellaris Modding question :

How do i make gapaxy more sparse ?

I DONT WANT TO SEE LESS STARS ! I want huge number of stars with long distances between them.

>>164208154
meant to: >>164207485

>>164208157
>Holy shit i'm just defending myself!
L I E S
I
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>>164208198

you can edit the numbers in the map files ( inside installation folder )

I have a 2000 stars galaxy custom made

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>>164208157
>somehow I'M the bad guy

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>>164208757
I know, i have mod for up to 5000 stars but they are are almost on top of each other. I would want to expand the actual distance between each star.

>>164208157
>>Russia piles units on units on my border
>>Can't declare war other than suprise war
>>Do so
>>Everyone gets mad at me
Because world dont share you paranoia about Russians ?

aaand the price for the most spoiled fucks in the galaxy goes to this fucking bird

they can literally only live in Gaia/Ring worlds or else they only have the habitability gained by tech

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>>164209265

oops , lack of sleep does that

>Brazil has one city
>Reach industrial age at 1500AD
>Spamming missionaries all day long
>Somehow build billions of units
Is there a "lucky nations" in this game like in EU?

Is there any way to make other empires send me their fleets to help in a war? They just stand orbiting around one of their planets jacking off.

>>164209508
Dang it Miller.

>>164210764
New DLC soon.

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>>164209424
genemod rapid breeders/deviants and send them all over the galaxy

How the hell does religious pressure work in 5?
I have every religious building and pathon regarding that, including printing press yet my relg gets surpassed by regs from literally other continents

>>164209424
>NOMADIC

So is everyone playing Stellaris now?

Is EL and Stellaris the only 4X games that are still alive? I'm ok with this.
It's the only decent ones anyway.

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>>164213584
>It's the only decent ones anyway.
>forgetting Aurora and DW

Think again man.

>>164213584
>It's the only decent ones anyway.
If you're a babby casual scrub, yeah.

>>164211795
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/religious-pressure-what-is-it-how-does-it-work.467576/

>>164213764
is that a video game?

>>164214207
>>164213764

I should have added "multiplayer 4X" games.

DW:U and Autismo4X is more of the other side of the spergrum.

>>164214713
Ha, my bad.

I played Endless Space once with my brother, it was pretty boring.

>>164211795
Religious buildings don't affect religious pressure.
Patheons don't either.

There are two beliefs(enhancers iirc) that affect religious pressure and one national wonder.

Otherwise it's just the amount of cities(not the city affected) that is within reach of the city that exerts pressure.

Cities outside of the pressure range with trade routes also count. And spies with an enhancer belief iirc.

>>164213584
Civ5 is alive
>>164214713
For multiplayer as well
if you want competitive games look into the nqgroup and nqmod.

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Ok so whats a good strategy when it comes to Tech in EL. First Game. Do I need everything in TIER 1 or can I skip stuff

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YES , save scummed like 20 times before slaving the savages and I finally got very strong pops

shame about the slow breeders , but who cares I got my uruk-hai and they praise Cthulhu

>>164214870
I don't understand. I got 4 cities within the range of my capital, yet my capital is turning protestant despite constant inquisitions and convertions.

I'm the only faggot left on this continent, and they're all hindus. Yet protestant infuence is rising everywhere

>>164215234
Show me some screenshots.

The pressure depends a bit on speed, but iirc on marathon you got +2 pressure for each city within range.
Holy city was a bit different.

Range was 10 tiles I think.
May reach beyond a continent.

>>164215164
Anon they are not for armies, they are for slavemining minerals

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well it's about time people recognise my glory

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>posted yesterday about finding sanctuary next door, but also kinda rubbing dicks with a militant isolationist FE
>they keep declaring war and humiliating me
>pretty much just swooping in and killing some space stations, then assassinating my emperor
>they've done it four times so far, with no sign of stopping
>fuck those squids to hell
>fortify my systems like woah
>four of the biggest battlestations around each planet with anti-armour and anti-shield weaponry and clustered by smaller anti-swarm stations
>main fleet is at most two jumps away from any one system
>capital is pretty much the great wall of space trump
>time comes again for another round of humiliations
>fuck you squids
>they declare war
>never show up

I think I did it

I built a wall in space

>>164215164
neat

I was working on getting Very Strong and Strong at the same time in my last game for my super soldiers.

Save scummed to get very strong on those genemod events when their planet is inhospitable.
Then I was waiting for the event that added strong to them.
Never played long enough though.

Very Strong+Earthbound is possible now and just as good though.

>>164215757
Mining could be their secondary job
gotta get swole during peacetime

Is the new MoO any good or should I just buy Stellaris?
I'd rather have something with meaningful tactical combat but it doesn't look like either of them is on the level of MoO2.

>>164216753
>my super soldiers
What's with this meme? You don't need fucking super soldiers. Every land war in game can be won by 12+ basic assault armies.

>Be you
>Have a daughter
>She has a boyfriend
>She brings him home
>Hes a pig

What do you do?

>>164217224

But very strong gene warriors with +25 damage addition and a good leader can land on a planet with 100% of its defenses up and still wipe out everything

with weaker armies you have to waste time bombarding

>>164217294
Enslave him. Forbid slaves procreation in policies. Deragulate slavery as well. Use him to increase your turnip yield.

Explain him that being a part of this family means Sharing the Burden.

>>164217294
eXploit him

>>164217224
It's a jersey thing

>>164217294
Does he have wifi?

>>164217369
> land on a planet with 100% of its defenses
But why? Invasion means that you dominate the orbit already.

>with weaker armies you have to waste time bombarding
A normal fleet ruins a big planet's defenses in time it takes the transtorts to reach the planet in question from the edge of system and pour out the armies.

If your fleet is too weak for it by the time you have gene warriors tech it means you are a scrub. Maybe it's precisely because you do waste your research and resources on armies.

>>164217747
>Invasion means that you dominate the orbit already.
nope

Paradox are scrapping armies in the next patch anyway because they are next to useless:^)

>>164218780
I want troop modules for my battleships, a-la Space Marine battle barges in wh40k.

just too much micromanagement
inb4 we get space estates with events every few days

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Would pay $100 for space 4x COMANO
Or maybe im going to tip that Aurora nigga $100 when C# is done

>>164219226
>I want troop modules for my battleships
Same.

You could literally use the space combat for ground combat, just different modules and base types.

Would be great with some overlapping techs, and some techs with less overlap.

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>>164219349
I would.
I would rather pay 100$ for CMANO than 60$ for any triple A title nowdays ( except for Witcher 3 and XCOM2 ).

>>164218780
Plz be joke.

>>164219520
well I read somewhere that Wiz or whoever at Paradox were going to remove troop transports. So basically your fleets will carry armies now and you don't build them separately. But this was when 1.4 just came out so nothing is set in stone yet.. But armies/land warfare definitely need work

>>164194508
I once, as an autocracy, had a leader with the Nervous trait for about 60 fucking years.
That's -30% naval capacity.

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Should i try to conquer my neighbours to the south ?
They are just barely in range of my military ships ..
They have almost exactly 1/3 of my GDP, tax income and military strength, they haven't achieved FTL yet but im kinda hesitant of that war fucking up with my diplo standing with the rest of the galaxy ( when i find anyone else of course ).
They are humans so integration will not be difficult.

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finally when the game is over I get my adamantium longbowmen

>>164220136
this thread always has the latest stellaris info

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3768778

As a matter of fucking interest where are you meant to get the 20K Credits needed to terraform worlds into Gaia worlds?

>>164222436
You're supposed to get terraforming gases and liquids so the price goes down to 10k

>>164221950
goon get >>>/out/

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I should get a ooc enchantment of truesight on one unit in each stack

Also that great wyrm tanked 3 doombolts and all but one of my longbowmen arrows in the first turn of combat.
They can teleport around the combat screen so it is important to get rid of it asap.

>>164213584
Stellaris is really addictive, but at some point I realized that it's barely a strategy game. You just click on what the game tells you to click on. There's no real decision-making involved, and how well you play the game ultimately depends on how much patience for micromanagement you're able to maintain.

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he's getting rich.

Not nearly as good as his last offer though.

Last one was so special since it had magic immunity and wraithform, which are sorcery and death enchantments that I am not able to craft myself.
Invulnerability is amazing, but it is under life which I have.

>>164225975
>There's no real decision-making involved, and how well you play the game ultimately depends on how much patience for micromanagement you're able to maintain.
I don't know, players seem to fall under very different capabilities for stellaris, some even express surprise of how poorly or good others are doing.

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That's +2 for each figure in the unit, so 2*6 extra attack in each arrows volley

>>164226116
There's definitely a learning curve, and for me it took a couple of dry runs before I felt competent enough to say I can play the game well enough for my own taste.

Even so, I've noticed that a lot of the variation in how well I do comes down to:

a) Whether or not I'm properly roleplaying my empire, as set up in the ethics and government type.

b) Whether or not the people who start next to me are imperialists who were able to expand early. If the badguys get mashed up, or if everyone around you is a science/trader/xenophile/etc, you can stay as soft as you want and get a huge economy without any risk.

But none of that really changes the fact that it doesn't take a high level of skill to decide which star system to send your science ship to next, switch your scientists around for anomalies, check the situation log for some new event (and then manually send the science ship back to orbit to carry out the task), build appropriate buildings on tiles, keep people from starving, etc. All this is too hard for the AI, but even on /civ4xg/ the typical person should find this easy.

How do you guys run a slaving empire in Stellaris?

Sectors seem to enslave everyone; is there a way to enforce rational slavery?

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So apparently Saladin got the last GP using his ability then either deleted or never used him. The fuck is wrong with this game?

>>164229439
You can set a policy to enslave only xenos.

Or you can set slavery per sector, and just herd your slaves into a couple of slaver sectors.

>>164230576
But even if you enslave only xenos, the sector will enslave the power plants and research centers.

>>164229439
>is there a way to enforce rational slavery
No. AI in stellaris is horribly shitty and will probably never be usable so you should just find a way to work around it.

>>164230714
It's been said many, many times: if you care about micromanaging your pops to min-max production then don't sector off your systems.

>>164218780
Good, maybe now militarist governments will actually get some worthwhile bonuses. I always wanted a military republic but the fact all its bonuses are for armies made it a totally worthless government to go for.

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>>164230880
That means a big, blobbing empire can't employ functional slavery.

>>164219413
Would be nice if you had to devote tiles to building fortifications, so you have a trade off.

>>164218780
Really? Source?

>>164231104
It can easily. When you play wide you're not supposed to fuss over every single system you conquer. You make up for the inefficiency of sector management with the sheer number of systems you control.

>>164218780
Lies. There's been no dev diary update since the talked about the ethics rework.

>>164230880
>then don't sector off your systems.
>tfw you literally have to mod the game in order for it to be playable.

>>164231803
It's playable, you just won't be able to min-max every world. You have to make up for the loss in productivity by snatching more systems. Your options are adapt to the shitty way the game is made now or don't play it.

>>164231803
You can't play tall in Stellaris, you can only play wide. This is a flaw they acknowledged and they are trying to fix it, but it's going to be a really long time before they make tall play viable. So until then, play wide.

>>164231910
>Your options are adapt to the shitty way the game is made now or don't play it.
Or just, you know, mod it?

>>164232070
Tall vs wide is a fucking retarded concept in any 4x. Wide should always be the way to play because not only it makes sense but who wants to play as some tiny ass nation? It's fucking eXpand, not sit in a corner like a little bitch

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>164233035
That is some really cheap ass bait you got there anon.

>>164233194
I'm not baiting. Are you saying that Switzerland could stand up to USA or Russia? Get your fucking head checked. This shit ruined Civ 5, which could have been great if it was about going wide.

>>164233305
I'm hoping for your sake you're baiting, because I really don't want to believe someone could be as retarded as to believe that there being only one criteria for a nation's power is ok.

>>164233305
Are you saying that the US and Russia are only powerful because they have more land? Why isn't canada more powerful than the US since its bigger? Why was Britain able to have an empire if its just a little island in the north atlantic?

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I actually might complete the cybrex chain for once

>>164233035
I think there's a variety of mechanics you can explore about when to go wide.
Go wide in times x2, go wide in time x3.
imo the basic goal should be to go wide, but it's okay to benefit from going wide later, or perhaps a niche thing like occ should be possible.
The basic game mechanics shouldn't be there for occ though.

>>164235905
Lucky you, i found their homeworld without even getting a single cybrex artifact

>>164235053
The US has the best farmland in the world, some of the best natural ports, and major natural resources like oil. These aren't all in the same place, and so America's prosperity is based heavily on its size.

Russia has one significant 'tall' city, a geographically important port, and huge swaths of resource-rich land. A small Russia would just be Belarus.

Canada may be technically big, but it's mostly just uninhabited tundra. This differs from Russia in that Canadians are politically unwilling to forcibly develop the oil there.

Britain's dominance happened in an era where any country that was heavily invested into naval power could dominate primitives all over the world. England in the 16th century could sort of be categorized as 'tall', but I assure you, the British Empire was quite large.

>>164236653
A good "tall" country example is germany in WW1-WW2. Where a tech advantage secured them a near-win on multiple occasions against heavily outnumbered opponents.
In fact WW1 can pretty much be described as "a series of unfortunate events" because both sides got really fucking close to just winning the war on multiple occasions, but one thing managed to just fuck up.

>>164221696
I find nabbing independent colonies to be lucrative in DW. Just land a few troops on the colony. You could build a colony ship but that shit is way more expensive than just dropping three or four battalions onto the surface. The colony takes a happiness hit from being invaded and you empire reputation doesn't take kindly to it either. The unrest is very short lived, especially when you share species type.

>>164237204
That's a good example. Notice, though, that the point of these wars was that the participants didn't really want to be tall. More land means more manpower, which is a bottleneck militarily and economically. With industrialization, it also means more natural resources.

>>164237204
WW1 in general was just a fucking embarrassment all over lets be honest.

>>164237818
the us performed well, but they weren't there for most of it and it was overseas so meh

>>164237204
>germany in WW1-WW2. Where a tech advantage secured them a near-win on multiple occasions against heavily outnumbered opponents.
I'll give you WW1 but WW2? Germany could certainly have hoped to win and even taken over Russia and England. But if Germany had still been fighting by 1945 regardless of what grounds they gained Berlin would have had an atomic bomb dropped on it.

>>164236653
>The US has the best farmland in the world
No

>>164233950
Say what you want, military power is all that matters in the end.

>>164229439
>>164230576
>>164230714
>>164230768
>>164230880
>>164231104
>>164231319

Stuff like this makes me glad I play as a Fanatic Individualist/Materialist Direct Democracy.

Ethics divergence? Who cares!

Folks are happy, prosperous, and free -- no slaves, no purging, with a bonus to Energy and Research.

You can blob as much as you want, incorporate as many different Ethos as you want, and your empire just keeps chugging along.

>>164237918
The US only really performed well because they came in late after everyone else was already pushed to breaking point, and even then they initially were massive fuck ups because they hadn't learned the lessons 3 years of trench warfare had taught everyone else. Still definitely helped swing it with the extra manpower though. Eastern front troops would've been bad news for the allies without them.

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>>164237358
Well they are not independent, they turned into "normal" empire before i encoutered them.

>>164237947
>Germany could certainly have hoped to win and even taken over Russia and England.
Russia - yeah.
England - never.

>4x genre founded explicitly on realistic notions of an empire expanding in order to become more prosperous and powerful
>a few devoted gamers enjoy breaking the rules by trying to win the game with as small an empire as possible
>as game development industry deteriorates, radical anti-war developers begin to encourage this sort of play mechanically in order to educate their consumers into believing that expansion is always bad
>(((Jon Shafer))) ruins a once-fun series of games by making 'tall' the only valid strategy
>years later, even kids on 4chan seriously believe that tall is realistic and fun

>>164233035
Because some people prefer economic or religious or diplomatic based victories which do not necessarily involve amassing a lot of territory. Granted its a concept from grand strategy where there is a lot more to do with a faction than a 4X game.

>>164239263
>games
>realism
You are a part of the problem.

>>164239263
>games have to be realistic to be fun
When in actuality the exact opposite is true.

>>164239331
>religious
Actual religious power only exists if it can be leveraged as political power. Sending out a bunch of missionaries to peacefully convert everyone is ridiculous historically, and as Civ 6 shows it isn't fun either. Even if you take the Crusader Kings route and put some complexity into religious conversion, your target is just going to say "fuck off" if you can't threaten them militarily.

>diplomatic
Federation-building is a nice way of expanding, but there's no reason for the smallest (and therefore weakest) member to be at the head of such an arrangement. Something like Civ 4's popularity contest is just silly, and is also based on population.

>>164239552
>>164239639
It's perfectly acceptable to sacrifice realism in order to maximize fun. So why do we have:

1. Games where you watch a culture counter tick up for hundreds of turns, as you optimize your cities without interacting with other players at all, thus straining the game's relationship with strategy as a concept.

2. You people arguing that tall is actually something that is relevant to real life, particularly bringing up World War 2, in which a country's ability to prosper according to any military, economic, or technological standard lines up almost perfectly with size.

Does anyone play Stellaris Multiplayer anymore?

>>164237947
>>164239147
England - yeah.
Russia - never.

So ES2 ai's probe management needs work.

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>>164242462
I fucking forgot the pic.

>>164213584
>Stellaris
I want it but get the impression ES/EL are the better games.

>Aurora 4x
Fucking love the idea of it but I imagine I suck so bad, need to really just sit down and spend hours on it, taking my own time to get to grips with mechanics. Would love something as in depth but on phone so I can take it around to play (Might get a laptop/tablet hybrid and play at work on lunch).

What is DW?

>>164243694
>What is DW?
Distant Worlds.

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What Leviathan is that?

>>164244773
Holy shit, that model was probably taken during the design phase for space amoebas.
That's fucking cheap paradox.

>>164243694
>ES
>Better than Stellaris
If you mean ES1, hahah no.

If you mean ES2, maybe in 10 to 20 years

>>164245062
Oh really? Is stellaris worth grabbing then?

I have been playing ES1 recently but i get smashed in every game i play :'(

>>164245140
I think its pretty good, and it gets a lot of good quality updates fairly quickly as well so you can expect it to get better rather than worse. /cib4xg/ has a hate boner for Paradox though so you shouldn't expect much good word for it here, but you can see how positive its reviews are yourself.

ES1 is just really mediocre and sort of a hassle to play in comparison. ES2 could be good but
>Early access
And whats in it now is basically enough for a few hours before you get bored.

>>164244984
How fucked am I now?

>>164245572
Fuck it im gonna buy it then and give it a go this weekend.. about to start up EL for the first time.

Any recommendations?

>>164245140
>Is stellaris worth grabbing then?
Alright here's the thing about stellaris, it's shallow as FUCK.
There's little to no diplomacy options available, combat is just blob vs blob, and the ONLY way to win is to expand your territory to be greater than theirs.
There's is zero real strategy of going economy focused or tech focused, there's ONLY expansion and territories.
And even if you do play that way you are REQUIRED to hand your planets over to AI control, with the only way around it being to play a specific government type.
Think about that for a second, unless you play the game it is REQUIRED of you to be controlled by the AI in order to actually just have a possibility of winning the fucking game.

Ethos differences between factions boil down to literally nothing but diplomacy modifiers, and oh you're in a federation? Haha tough luck because there's only one victory type.
Does Stellaris have potential? Absolutely, but as it stands in its current state its got a LONG fucking way to go to get there.

>>164245918
>about to start up EL for the first time.
>Any recommendations?
You're going to die horribly

Also this is >>164246105 copypasta, ignore it

>>164246146
>i-its copypasta!
This is what apologists say when they have no real way of refuting an argument, for those who are new to discussions.

>>164246279
Hello mr shitposter but I refuted all your bullshit a long time ago, in fact I did it twice and you just go on a shitposting tirade ignoring everyone's arguments against you to keep spamming 'stellaris is bad' in increasingly bad English while never raising an actually valid complaint.

So instead; fuck you and have a happy new year.

>>164246627
What arguments are you talking about and why are you trying to convince some poor anon to buy that piece of shit game.
If you refuted all of my bullshit, which apparently happened while I was unconscious, by all means do so again. I'm sure someone who hasn't played stellaris before would LOVE to hear its benefits.

>>164246105
What pisses me off is that the technologies in combat have a nice balance around them, but you will never figure what technology the enemy has unless you fight him, you cant spy on him or anything so whats the point?
Attack him redesign my shit and hope he doesnt come after me while im retrofitting?

>>164246938
Does retrofitting still take a fucking century?

>>164246938
>What pisses me off is that the technologies in combat have a nice balance around them, but you will never figure what technology the enemy has unless you fight him, you cant spy on him or anything so whats the point?
yes you can, send in a ship to a system they are in and click on the magnifying glass

>>164247002
Yes, can take up to years for a bigger fleet.

>>164247517
People close their borders asap to me :^)

>>164247002
For giant battleships only fleets it takes a while but nowhere near as long as it used to. It also scales now so minor things like upgrading your reactors takes less than a full weapon refit from beams to missiles.

>>164247746
Thank fucking god for that.

>>164246279
If you say something more than once then it is automatically wrong. That is the law of 4chan.

>>164239263
>4x genre founded explicitly on a less realistic version of the grand strategy genre
fixed that for you bait-kun

>>164247637
>People close their borders asap to me :^)
Well thats your own god damn fault isnt it

>>164239263
What are you talking about? Cities need to be wide in order to become tall and Civ VI basically tells you to found as many cities as possible.

>>164250554
Hows it my fault that everyone is an evangelizing zealot and is buttmad that im xenophobe?

>>164239263
>tall is realistic
Japan, Korea, India

>>164246105
> you're in a federation?
Federations aren't a problem if you keep out the pacifists. Normal federation members can be bribed into invading someone with trivial wargoals like humiliation.

>>164251347
>I made by species distrustful and hateful of all other species
>How is my choice my fault
How do you even breath

Pick xenophile and take charismatic next time, see if literally anyone wants to hate you, 90% of states will be cooperative.

>>164251528
But I dont want xenos living in my empire, thats not xenophobe, not my fault that Swedes are such cucks.

>>164239147
>>164241127
I never meant to imply Germany could have taken over one or the other, jist that it wouldn't have mattered.

>>164252564
Then just don't let in xenos. You don't have to be a xenophobe to reject every migration treaty that comes to you. Then you just have to make sure to not conquer any planets that have aliens on them and you can stay pure.

>>164252564
You. Have. Options.

But if you take xenophile you are going to the maximum extreme of hating all aliens and they will hate you in return.

Just becuase you dont want aliens in your empire doesn't mean you have to be a xenophile.

>>164253041
Alright how do I get them to get out of my system apart from purging them?
Give me an option to expell them then.

>>164253709
1. Don't let aliens in in the first place. Aliens don't like living under you because their souls are different, and happiness penalties are huge.

2. Unemployed and underfed people have a tendency to migrate. Put them all in one planet, then let them form a vassal state (which will be very productive because it's a capital).

See, you don't need to rely on xenophobic barbarism. You're ultimately doing them a favor.

>Javascript - Browser based 4x with multiplayer option.

Would people play it? If not I might plan it out as an actual game and look into some C++ engines/graphic libraries

>>164255103
>Javascript
No.

>>164237947
Playing neutral and waiting until everyone was fucked up to drop your newly acquired weapon was a sucker punch.

>>164255443
I figured as much... Might try it out in GODOT.

>>164254335
LET ME EXPELL THEM

>>164255687
I'm pretty sure theres an edict that gives big emigration pressure for zenos.

How should I be building my fleets now that stellaris has changed?
I'm used to battleships having modules and tachyon lances with intercepting corvettes being the reigning champ

>>164258698
Giga-Cannons and have some dedicated Carrier battleships.
mix in some cruiser/destroyer/corvettes and give them dedicated roles.

>>164258698
Cruisers with medium Plasma and one Flak Battery.

Does anyone here speak Nahuatl?

I know that the '-atl' suffix denotes a singular, and the '-cah' suffix denotes a plural, as in the case of Totecatl and Toltecah, but what about an adjective suffix?

If I destroy a colony of mine at the demand of an empire much more powerful than me, can my pops get happiness negative modifiers due to "purges"?

>>164260540
No it counts as the enemy purging it.

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Now thats cute as hell.

>>164260807
Then something is going on because some of my pops have -30% due to purges, yet I have outlawed them.

>>164259485
Giga cannons? Essentially new lances?
Did they finally fix hangar ships
By dedicated roles you mean like sapping shields or intercepting missiles? Meatshields?

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>>164260970
Cute little xenophobic space moths
Putting on a tough front even though they know whats probably coming

>Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
Doesn't have any of the game changing DLC, just a book, soundtrack, singed wallpaper u wot m8 and cosmetic in game race... #spiders

Dafuq man, should I just get the standard then?

>>164261990
get leviathan DLC and the normal edition.

>>164216119
>have modded station and ships
>Battlefortress class stations have 100k in mil power
>cluster five of them together with FTL snares
>multiple fleets gets bottlenecked into a massive killzone

>>164262219
>get leviathan dlc
Nah
>>164261990
Get the base game and pirate the DLC since all you need to do is copy the files into the DLC folder to make it work.

>>164261990
just pirate it all

Noob stellaris here and in a bit of situation.
I got my empire running and going strong(second best military not counting forgotten empire) but I'm right next to the guy with the best military that i can't beat, is there anything I can do? I'm having a feeling that sooner or later he's going to attack me.

>>164263186
Build more ships dingus. The fleet cap isn't a hard cap you can go over it, it just gives you income penalties to do so.

>>164263186
If hes a fallen Empire he wont attack you, if he becomes an awakened Empire, thats another thing.

>>164263562
>spooky

>>164263659
Well, whats his ethics?
Usually the xenophobes sperg out.

just got stellaris, only really watched a few minutes of it. What should I expect and what should I not do right off the bat?

>>164263186
Make friends with other people that don't like him. Fortify the shit out of your border worlds.

>>164264605
Expand like a mofo dont care about happiness and always have a big fleet ready.
Even if you energy cap all the time make sure your energy income is always ~+100 once youre around 60 years in

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>+65%
You jelly you dumb neanderthals?

>>164231803
>tfw you literally have to mod the game in order for it to be playable
Yeah that's pretty much a design policy of Paradox games. It's why the defines files and all the other files are .txt or .lua files sitting in the folder.

>>164213764
I feel Aurora would be ok in another ten years.

>>164237204
Germany in the second war was less about tech and more about doctrine. Their army was actually even or perhaps even behind on som accounts, but unlike everyone else they had people who were thinking about how to use these new weapons in new and more efficient manners instead of essentially just treating tanks as cavalry and planes as dragoons or something.

>>164267038
This, the german army was largely inferior to the French army in WW2
Much of the logistics relied on Horses throughout the entire War.

>>164266991
Aurora might be okay after the C# version comes out
I'm tempted to just crack open the thing and edit it in assembly to be honest but since the dev is already working on C#...

>>164267576
When will that be?

>>164267865
"Soon".

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>>164267576
What exactly C# version mean?

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>>164268062
fug

>>164268103
It means that the program will be rewritten in C# and therefore probably more efficient and such.
Why the fuck he's using C# instead of something like C or C++ I have no fucking idea.

>>164255687
Don't worry, the next DLC will allow you to do that.

>>164268230
C# is much easier to write in, and since he's more familiar with VB it will be less of a challenge programming-wise (many of the concepts are the same).

C or C++ are only better in terms of run-time efficiency, and then only if the programmer puts professional work into efficiency, which isn't necessary for this kind of game.

>>164269391
>C# is much easier to write in
But C and C++ are just more elegant langauges, C# is literally Microsoft's failed answer to Java which itself was just a cross-plat spinoff of C.
why the FUCK did he write Aurora in VB anyway? Who actually even uses that shit?

>>164270357

When all you have is a hammer. Don't look at his database if you wish to remain sane.

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>>164268919
RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUCK SWEDEN

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So why is the Habitability symbol always showing Africa?
Why are swedes so obsessed over niggers?

[sean bean voice] There will be those who underestimate you, but your cunny is full of dicks, Queen Cleopatra.

>>164270357
Elegance doesn't matter. Who made the language doesn't matter. All that matters is how long it takes to write and how good the end code performs.

>>164266492
You can actually crank that shit up into 80% and higher, caveman.

>>164271553
Lies.

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Playing Stellaris for the first time on Iron Man.

Really achievements only on Iron Man?

This is the current state of the galaxy.

I am the Vulcans (Red, North East).

Right now I have 2 Awakened Empires causing trouble.

The large grey empire right next to me. They are quiet most of the time and have not expanded too much.

And purple to the south. Who as you can see has fucked everything up. The two red empires mixed in with him were the strongest empires on the map, now they are both pathetic.

I need to stop purple but there is no one to ally with, you have a bunch of ass holes who hate me (turquoise to the south and his allies) and everyone that likes me is either already in an alliance or hates my war philosophy.

I have even fully taken 2 fallen empires, 1 in the west and 1 in the east. And so am benefiting from their OP buildings.

This has let me build my fleet size to 250k but purples fleet is about 450~500k I can't match him!

Any suggestions?

>>164271803
Rival the rivals of the people you want to ally.

>>164271635
I can't remember how I managed it before to be honest.
Encourage free thought if you want to plop another 10% on top of it.

>>164272284
that would be 75%, with teh best result from infinity machine i could get 85% damn.

>>164271803
Keep expanding, terraform ship and absord shitters.

>>164271803
>4/8
You should be up to your core limit as soon as possible and then never leave your core limit

>>164271803
purple won't cause you trouble for a long time so you're free to develop as you wish, keep expanding, gain territory and tech
he's big enough to be blitzed to death too, you might even want to start it yourself to keep him in check

Oh shit it's 6 hours late but happy new year 4xg. Especially the anon who gifted me EL yesterday.

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time to wreck this fucker

>>164276119
The background of the image reminds me of dust clouds.
I've been playing too much ES2

>>164276715
I try capture the most AESTHETIC screencaps

I'm very new to Vic 2.
How much of a factory's profit goes into state funds?
Why did the libtards open more factory's when craftsmen are in severe shortage

I also annexed an African ((state)) which has a shit load of pop, can I convert them into craftsmen?

>>164260970
>we aren't sure if you can understand our language. if you can, fuck you
amazing

>>164277797
Wrong general friendo, you wan't /gsg/. Try not to let the shitposting rub off on you.

Also build liquor factories

>>164279426
didn't even realize. ha

As a fanatic militarist, xenophobe I naturally want to cleanse the universe of any potential threat to my race - so I have this question, what would be the best war strategy? Cleanse their colonies and cede their capital then manually purge all pops - any other ideas on how to properly do it?

>>164255581
There's two sides to every war.
The bad guy, they who are the loser.
The badder guy, they who are those willing to go the extra step to decimate the enemy to the point of subjugation, temporary or lasting.
Nuke them all. It's the only way to be sure.

>>164271161
Origin of man and stuff.
Its not some PC lunacy, its common theme man.
Chill.

>>164281308
But dude, every planet has Africa on it, even the alien ones. I'm tired of this blatant historical-revisionism. Xenos have histories of their own. Newsflash: not every single extra-terrestrial species has a significant PoC that was oh so influential in shaping them into what they are today.
and for fuck sakes if anyone can't see this is satire, do the world a favor and make sure the last year you'll be attempting any resolutions is 2017.

>>164281780
there's a point in fanaticism where it becomes impossible to distinguish sincere excess from mockery and the world has long since passed it

>>164239147
>>164221696
>>164237358
Independant colonies are great. They are essentially free pop (and money). And if they live on a different type of planet to you, you can use them to colonise those planets without any research

Landing a colony ship on them is the 'proper' way to absorb them. You get no unrest, no diplo penalties, and sometimes they give you money, tech, or co-rds for interesting things to explore.
But you're subject to racial modifiers, so a race that dislikes yours will very likely just tell your guys to GTFO and your colony ship is wasted.
And if you have range limits on you can't land a colony ship on anything outside that range.

Land troops on them is the 'bad' way to absorb them. You get the recently conquered unrest, you get a dilpo hit with everyone who knows you because your reputation falls.
However, you're almost guaranteed to win the ground battle, you can drop troops anywhere you want so the range limit is irrelevant, and the diplo hits and unrest dissipate fairly quickly.
No-one really gives much of a shit about independants.

If an indy manages to upgrade itself to empire status - you are then subject all the diplomatic bollocks that goes with it.
Some other empires will hate you for declaring on anyone, some won't care. Some will hate you for attacking thier 'cousins', some will love you for doing it. It all depends on whats gone on in your game.
If it's just you and them, no-one else in the picture.
Well, so long as you wrap everything up and absorb them before you meet anyone else - they'll never know.

Also, general invading tip.
Try and invade colony worlds first but destroy as little as possible, b/c when you take over thier capital and they don't have anywhere else to move it to, everything they own flips over to your control. EVERYTHING.

>>164271498
C# underperforms C when both are written well, you realize that right? Obviously assembly is faster than anything.

>>164285694
>Middle Craftable Unit
>THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO

How do "awakened" empires work? Are they empires that suddenly decided to revive?

What are some dank EL settings? I'm getting bored going into my third playthrough. The game was not as complicated or crazy fun as I thought. The AI is actually braindead.

>>164286212
Yes. They saw all these young whippersnappers on their lawn and decided it was time to tell you little fucks to get off it so he brought his shotgun out. Quite often their next door neighbor who actually doesn't mind seeing kids playing ball on the grass will stick up for you with HIS shotgun. But secretly he hates you just as much and only puts up with you because you're playing on THAT bitter old bastards lawn and not his. He will not mourn you when you get hit in the crossfire as they shoot at each other from their porch to no real effect.

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Which should be the traits of a Megacorp/Bankers Space Spiders?

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>>164213584
>So is everyone playing Stellaris now?
No, not really.

And soon Civ 5 aka no-more-than-4-cities simulator will be surpassed by the vastly superior Civ 6. Feels good man.

>>164270357
>C++
>elegant
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

>>164288401
Can't speak for most people but I'd wait for either an expansion, workshop support (because lazy bastard) or a big update that makes religion less shit before I go back to 6.

How hard would it be to make a custom building in Civ 5 that requires Coast, or Coast Adjacent and unlocks naval units, and naval buildings?

>>164283469
>Also, general invading tip. Try and invade colony worlds first but destroy as little as possible, b/c when you take over thier capital and they don't have anywhere else to move it to, everything they own flips over to your control. EVERYTHING.
Leave enemy infrastructure intact? I can see the uses, don't get me wrong. But doesn't destroying everything require your civilian sector to rebuild, allowing the conquering government to tax all the new growth?

In Civ 5 what's a good amount of cities?

Or is it more dependent on What Civ you're playing?

Which is the best form of FTL travel in Stellaris?

>>164289528

Depends on your Civ. It's a Tall vs Wide question.

>>164289918
Warp, wormhole is technically better but too vulnerable due to its infrastructure, it's also cripplingly for huge fleets, with jump charges taking literal fucking years in some cases, and hyperlanes are super limited by the lanes resulting in overall slower speeds than warp even though they go down lanes faster because warp can skip systems. The longer the trip the more it skips.

>>164289171
Except for one very specific circumstance, you pay to build mines/resorts/ports/bases out of the state funds so you don't gain anything by clearing then rebuilding them.

You do however gain from instantly having infrastructure in place to fill your newly conquered unrestville with resources and calm everyone down.
All his civvie ships flip also, and start moving materials over making you money. And they will all eventually refit, making you more money.
Sometimes though you HAVE to knock out infra first. Eg; crippling a strong enemy fleet by nuking all his fuel stores and starving him until he literally can't fight.

Also,if you can manage to rush troops onto a planet and win the ground battle, you can capture any starports and forts. Even if they are gigantic deathstars - you take the planet and they become yours.

You certainly don't have to do any of this, but it's nice when you can pull it off.

>>164209161
>>164209508
what gem

>>164289997
I usually play as England or France

>>164291331

>France

Tall.

>>164291331
Have the option to play as a number of nations.
>White Flag
kek

>>164291651
What about England?

>>164291863
well meme'd.

>>164291912

Never played it myself.

>>164291912
England can do either. But it's abilities don't really add much to anything that isn't mayhem or mischief.

>>164290883
Good stuff, more stuff to keep in mind.

>>164289528
early on you are limited to 4-6 cities or so, depending on whether you can conquer more luxuries early, but in lategame you can mostly erase unhappiness with autocracy if you want to warmonger everywhere and have 1000 cities. order can also erase the majority of unhappiness combined with zoos and stuff.

pop size 14 or so cities is pretty ideal for getting value out of university+public school, but smaller cities are often fine for just generating more units.
you get more science from greater number of cities than you do with taller cities, so long as they are getting a decent value on the modifiers of university/public school. the local unhappiness from really tall cities cannot be overcome after a certain point unless you want to stop taking cities or stop expanding, because you can only get so much extra local happiness per city from stadiums and policies.

>>164280957
Let your fleet bombard them some extra time in order to automatically 'purge' the pops. You're not going to use the buildings anyway, because your people probably didn't want to live on that planet in the first place.

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>>164291214
master of magic

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>>164289528
>>164291331
Depends on your strat, civ and policies/religion.

If you specifically build your policy tree for going for a lot of cities then you can spam them even up to ideologies, and after them they're very easy to spam.

England and France don't really have a benefit for going wide or ics.
France did before BNW with their +2 culture per city UA.

>>164259485
>Giga-Cannons and have some dedicated Carrier battleships.
Carriers are SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

>>164260987
Giga cannons are a strange thing, because by the time you obtain them you should get yourself some Extradimensional weaponry anyway, and because the fleet with them is VERY vulnerably to getting grabbed by the ass - they can only shoot dead forward.

>>164263186
Stop being shit. NEVER trust the empire power evaluation AT ALL. It's full of shit.

>>164271803
Attack with a few smaller corvette fleets in different spots. They will split the combined fleet to play Benny Hill with them. Move in your main fleet and sweep them up one by one.

>>164287924
Thrift and decadent. The rest is optional.

>Stellaris Penrose Stations when

>Stellaris galactic center cluster when

>>164303276
>Stellaris galactic center cluster when
It's completely an totally dead. Greg Egan is an amateur and lied to you in Incandescence.

>>164303647

>Implying anyone gives a fuck
>Implying they won't write about plasma beings from the Galactic Center when they get stuck on a deadline for a global menace.

>>164303647


But i want get tan and xploit sagittaurus...

For the lulz.

Sigh. Lets take the hedonistic way and read use of weapons.

>>164207739
Is there any mods which add a more lizardy looking portrait for the reptilians?

How's Stellaris doing, is it worth playing?

>>164306107
For stellaris I mean.

>>164260276
Bumping this question.

Also.
>Totecatl
should be
>Toltecatl.

>>164303647
While it's dead as fuck I'd imagine it'd be rich in resources. Would be a much needed addition if there was a late game rush to claim territory in the center of the galaxy for mad resources to fund your war machine.

If you guys were to build the Naacal in Stellaris, what ethos, traits, and governments would you give them based on their legends?

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wtf is this bullshit Stellaris, I didn't even select a single empire to force-appear

Hopefully this is the right thread for it; is there a game similar to Banished but with a real tech tree?

>>164312849
it's a feature

What are the exact conditions for the Horizon Signal event to start? Is it on a scan of a black hole, or just entering the system, and can i jump between a star and a black hole over and over again til it triggers?

>>164315107
nope, try /cbg/ if it exists atm, if not there should be people hungry to discuss it on /v/

>>164288928
Wait until you have enough faith to convert at least half of the world, then have a massive religious outbreak.

>>164308323
>While it's dead as fuck I'd imagine it'd be rich in resources
Not really. The environment there largely prevents formation of planets.

>>164312849
there was a Human empire. They gene-modded themselves into multiple species like the degenerates they are.

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>>164276119
>max influence
>two over core planet limit

Baddy

Have any of you tried thea: the awakening? I'm having fun with it so far. Also any recommendations for other fantasy 4x-esque games? Thea and endless legends are the only ones I know of.

How do you stop Sectors from destroying your shit and remplacing it with fucking farms when you don't need fucking farms in that fucking planet

>>164319115
That's why you tell the AI they're not allowed to redevelop tiles.

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Freya recalled her amazon away.

It had missile immunity on an item, so had to melee the hero with my pegasai, but I could barely get through her armor.
I think 1 damage got through during the first round of combat before she got recalled away.


One of her skills was lucky which increases to hit and defense rolls success rate by 10 % points.

So with 20 defense she negates an average of 8 damage points each time she is attacked.

While my pegasai deal an average of 6.3 damage in melee while I have high prayer casted.
And a maximum of 9 damage.

>>164290140
Also Warp lets you grab the Psi-Jump which lets you skip half the fucking Galaxy.

>>164322794
>Also Warp lets you grab the Psi-Jump which lets you skip half the fucking Galaxy.

You don't need warp to get psi jump.

You just need to research Psionic theory(which you need a Psionic Leader for, if you're Materialist, otherwise open to all) and the psi jump tech after it.

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Gunther joins Kazuhira in falling to Freyas Cracks Call.

Dancer I could resurrect if I wanted to since she died to an earthquake, but the effect of Cracks Call is irreversible.

>>164285897
A professional gambler whose programming experience is making a VB Dwarf Fortress in space spreadsheet as a hobby is not going to write C well. Even mentioning assembly shows how far off base you are. If efficiency mattered, everyone would write in assembly.

>>164317642

Its a fucking furnace, tell me there is not use for it.

The point is: if there is hyperlanes, why not be able to at least use the energy of the central cluster. Its a space opera game with the kardashov shit no?

>Stellaris

>Endless Space

>Endless Legend

How are they for touchscreen with finger/pen? I am looking to get a laptop or 2-in-1 and feel it might be easier to play them with touch when not working.

>Stellars
>On 3rd game.
>Still never seen "Horizon Signal" DLC.
>Finally found an Enigmatic Fortress.
>AI has fucked it up.
>Only complted the "Precursor Civilisation" event chain once.

They need to sort this shit out!

>Trajan keeps shitting on me for not expanding

Breh, I can barely keep up with your cheating ass as it is.

>>164315463
m8s

>>164330546
no clue

>>164236587
Someone else already surveyed the anomalies first

>>164303021
They won't be able to pick decadent because they're fanatic individualists

>>164328279
It's not all about you. The AI also wants to have fun getting event chains.

>>164326061
EL and ES are both probably a lot more touch friendly simply by virtue of being turn-based. Since you can take your time, any clunkiness there is shouldn't matter too much if you can get past the inconvenience.

So... Is the CIV VI porn out yet?

>>164340801
still none from fugtrup

>>164344037
The fuck is going on with all the massive dips?

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Pic was my game settings
Ironman is saving to cloud and is in sync.
I have zero mods installed.


Why am I not getting fucking achievements? It's pissing me off that I can't figure out why.

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If only it wasn't a fucking t1 luxury.

>>164344237
If you take over a wizards town that has that wizards fortress you banish them to the void until they finish casting the spell of return.
Once they're back their power goes up again.

how do i slavery and robots in stellaris

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>>164345351
Fanatic Collectivist/Materialist

I use a species with Extremely Adaptive, colonise 90% of the galaxy and then dump robots on the remaining 10% as dedicated mineral worlds.

Slavery has been nerfed hard. I usually only use slavery to keep planets producing resources after I've recently liberated them from the tyranny of individuality. Eventually they're queued for extermination and replaced with my pops or robots.

Stellaris has a disappointing lack of technologies to oppress pops with, I want nerve stapling damnit, being a despot is hard since all the ayys hate you for commiting 'atrocities' yet there's little benefit to you to offset that.

>>164281107
Fun fact: If the badder guy wins over everyone - the new good guys that start to randomly sprout to existence among them will just be the new losers - a total reversal of roles.

This can totally happen, because this is how our universe works - everything is allowed - it's just a game of mathematics, statistics mostly.

>>164346250
Slavery is autisticly retarded these days, its only a placeholder until purging is through.
Slaves are inefficient for anything but minerals and you need to spend influence because of muh ethic divergence.
I also dont want to put an enslaved planet into a sector, does anybody know what the AI generally does with slaves?

>>164346586
>does anybody know what the AI generally does with slaves?
Gives them welfare lol.

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How do i change my buildings' color in Offworld Trading Company? This generic blueish looks like shit.

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never played a civ before but i torrented beyond earth like 1.5 years ago when i was anticipating being without internet and needed something to waste time on and really loved the atmosphere, but i couldn't get too into it due to something coming up at the time (only played a few hours)

planned on buying after but there were alot of complaints at the time and people were saying there were huge problems like guaranteed contact victories, garbage compared to civ 5, etc. so i forgot about all about it.

it's on sale right now at 10$ for the winter sale (25$ with rising tide), is the game still very flawed and not worth it? civ 5 complete edition is $12.50 if it's really not worth it but i really enjoyed the space theme. reddit says beyond earth with rising tide is fine now but i can't take that hugbox's word for it.

inb4 "just get civ6 lole", i don't wanna dump 60$ for a game i'm not sure i'll like yet.


sorry for blog post.

>>164346250
Cheers anon, would it just be better to do only robots then?

>>164346651
It cant enact the welfare edict....

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Guys I also want to play smart not blindly loyal to my ethos so what would I have to do in this stage of game where I am very weak?

Stay in good relations with them and hand them some pops or say no because fuck it my goal is to purge galaxy of xenos.

If they're close but not that close to me will they gen enraged when I start purging regardless?

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>>164347643
This is their location:

>>164347643
tell them to go fuck themselves
they'll get mad at you purging wherever they are in the galaxy

>>164348120
So I should just conquer them without purge until I get more military power to face the fallen empire?

And if that's the case how do I make them happy once they're in my empire? Do I have to liberate them first to make them have the same ethos as me and then conquer? Or I could vassalize them and when I integrate them will they have the same ethos ?

>>164345351
>how do i slavery and robots in stellaris
You don't need both simultaneously.

>>164346250
>Slavery has been nerfed hard
It's still very useful for min production buff of up to 50%.

>>164346586
>Slaves are inefficient for anything but minerals
That's what they are for.
>spend influence because of muh ethic divergence
Someone doesn't know how to max negative ED.

>I also dont want to put an enslaved planet into a sector, does anybody know what the AI generally does with slaves
Enslave the guys on mines, farms and capital. Forbid enslaving in sector settings. The enslaved dudes will remain enslaved, no extra slaves will be created.

>>164346987
Fucking pirate and try it you cunt.

>>164346987
also if i could get some responses soon it would be great, the sale ends at midnight est i believe

>>164347026
Yeah, at least until they fix slavery or maybe if you find a mod that makes it more viable.

>>164348446
> Do I have to liberate them first to make them have the same ethos as me and then conquer
That's one option. It is however somewhat of a pain in the ass sine liberated empires tend to get someone guaranteeing their independence like the next second after they pop out.

>Or I could vassalize them and when I integrate them will they have the same ethos
No. It is either purging or gathering a lot of negative ethnic divergence. Which is very easy with Coll/Spir/Both, and a huge pain in the ass for everyone else except for FanInd who can just not give a fuck as long as they can keep the happiness up.

>>164347643
Tell them to get fucked. They'll get pissed off with you later when you're purging anyway.

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>>164348806
>Bots and droids sucks just as much as slaves for everything aside from minerals
>don't give as much minerals
>require more energy than slaves require food
>Synths are midgame at best and still only JUST as good as slaves for min
>"'Bots are more viable than slavery!"

>>164348990
Ok then so not sure if this works - can I select in war pannel to cleanse all their colonies and cede their capital to purge it later?

Or is it possible to cleanse every single planet in their civilization and get them out of the game that way?

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>>164347643
>"Perfectly mirrors the natural habitat of your species"
>Human natural habitat is Africa
>Pop gets told it's being sent to a Forerunner world where their god-like technology will create a Garden of Eden for them and their descendants to live in
>Get dropped in pic related

>>164348446
you just don't piss them off too much until you can take them yes
>how do I make them happy
brainwash them or purge them
even liberated it will take decades for them to align, direct assimilation works better
vassalization still is an excellent option as they will agree to research agreement, i always do it asap

>>164347643
That shouldnt happen 13 years in lol...
Tell them to fuck off.
Xenophile cucks will never attack you.

>>164349223
> to cleanse all their colonies
No.

>Or is it possible to cleanse every single planet in their civilization and get them out of the game that way?
Yes, but you need to take it first, via ceding or vassal integration. Well, you can try to wipe every pop via maintaining Full orbital bombardment of their worlds, but it will take a bloody fuckton of time, seriously.

Just don't bother with them much yet, it will be about a century before you will be able to fuck them up.

>>164346987
Civ n6 is trash right now. Not worth 60$
BE is crap. Less crap with exp but still crap.
Civ v is solid and cheap right now you can grab it.
Check Pandora if you really like space and civ although it isn't that great either.

>>164350119
alright so i'll definitely grab civ 5 + all dlc at 12.50$ then

>less crap but still crap
would you say it's at a level of crap where it's not worth 25$?

>>164350567
If it cost was the same as civ v ce right now ~10$ then you could grab it as you like space theme but its not worth 25$.

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>>164350804
alright then, just going for civ 5 only based on your recommendation, thanks

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Been really lucky with potential research stations this game - but I have energy problems lmao, but once I establish all I'll have the technological lead asap.

>>164353041
Why in the name of fuck are you putting a frontier post atop your future planet? Just colonize it.

>>164353359
i wonder about that myself.

>>164353041
I hope youre rushing Spaceport tech or you will get curbstomped.

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>>164352765

>>164353359
>>164353531
That planet is not a priority I have other 2 in line - I just wanted to research facilities around it so a space port looked like a good option.

But soon I go to war with Belo'vi and I'll also have their capital world, I counter their technology - I just ave to fix my fleet.

>>164349206
Energy is an easier resource to get, compared to food, because it can come from anywhere, rather than just that planet.

>>164353716
having the next ship tech > anything else
the AI usually gets them fairly quick, so be careful.

>>164354314
>Energy is an easier resource to get, compared to food, because it can come from anywhere, rather than just that planet.
Building price is the same.

Energy is also used by everything, not just the droids, unlike the food which is used by pops only and is produced anyway since:
1. Capital building.
2. Food tile bonuses, unless you're deliberately ignoring them.

One Tier II farm on bonus tile near capital is enough to feed an average planet. Two for a bigger one. And you gonna build those anyway, since you're not gonna use bots to man PPs and labs before synths.

So food is not hard or more expensive to provide than energy, and not using bots gives you straight up more energy.

I fucking despise the view of stellaris
It's so loaded down with just junk and he fact you have to zoom in and out constantly is very annoying

It feels like a game I should like but just can't because of how infuriating it is to have to go to each system and zoom in on a pixel

>>164355982
Wait, you can't just click on them?

>>164355982
Use the planet tables, Luke!