/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

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Just in time my man.

K***HT

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>>164088350
Nice soulsfu.

Also is it just me or is the best ending of DaS 3 also the game over of DaS 2, what with usurping the flame and all? What I'm saying is that Nashandra literally did nothing wrong.

never played a souls game
can i skip the first or is the trilogy one story?

>>164088671
The trilogy is kind of one story but it's a repetitive thin story. I'd play all three though.

>>164088671

Don't skip the first, it's the best in the series.

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Xth FOR BEST HUSBANDO

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>>164088671

>>164088671

Only the stories of 1 and 3 are connected.

>>164088752
i just don't want to add three whole games to my backlog but looks like i'll play all three

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Dark hand grab is no joke. Well, at least the damage isn't.

>>164088671
Play the second at least, it's probably the best mechanically.

QUICK
Post your favorite Souls games in order !

DaS3>DeS>DaS1>DaS2

I only have played a bit of DaS2, but I really didn't like it. Haven't played BB yet.

Note that this is only my opinion, there is no need to get triggered over it

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>>164088918
I wish I was as talented as the guy who did this ;-;

>>164088889
DaS 2=DaS1>DaS 3

all I've played senpai

>>164088671
there is no story in souls

it's pure gameplay

>>164088734
>you will never free Dancer from Pontiff Sillyman
why live

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>>164087847
Tower doesn't stand in front of the mountains, it is built into them.
I hope we can all put this behind now.

>>164089119
>you will never get the Dancer to sit on you
Indeed, why live

>>164088350
Why does my Estus occasionally refill one drink in DS3?

Fuck me, even with CS Rapier and a coin, I can't get the fucking BKGS to drop.

>>164088889
DaS1=DaS2>DeS>>>>>>>>>DaS2

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>>164089000

It's actually traced. Nice digits Anon.

>>164089067
UM EXCUSE ME IF YOU WOULD READ THE FEXTRALIFE WIKI AND WATCH THESE VIDEOS FROM BASED VAATI YOU WOULD SEE THAT DARK SOULS TELLS A RICH TAPESTRY OF STORIES WITH DEEP THEMES AND MEMORABLE CHARACTERS

GUESS IT WAS TOO SUBTLE FOR YOUR PLEB MIND WITHOUT 45 MINUTE CUTSCENES LMAO

>>164089187
DaS1=DaS3**

>>164089231
>ePic Digits dude xD!
>>>/b/

>>164089232
i actually don't find story or lore a compelling component in any video games

i want to play video games, not cream myself once i light the flame or some other gay bullshit. story in video games was a fucking mistake. thanks id soft

I absolutely love Friede's Scythe. It's a great weapon to punish aggressive players.

>>164089231
Well even if it's traced, the coloring is well done.
Thanks :^), shame I didn't get quints here >>164088889

>>164088889
BB>DS3
Both of these far surpass the others, they're don't belong on the same list.

>>164089452
That's because almost all video games have shit stories, characters, themes and world building.

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thoughts?

>>164089551
>they're don't belong on the same list.
I can agree with this part at least.

>>164089638
no i don't think you understand

it literally shouldn't fucking matter. story is completely and utterly arbitrary in video games. if you want to enjoy that shit go fucking read a book

>>164089740
Depends on the kind of game really.

Fun bit of trivia: People criticized some of the first talkies for trying to have a story, saying that film should just be film and stop trying to be theater.

>>164089870
most modern film is just mindless action

>>164089716
>swap flynn's for chain
>swap havel for life +3
>swap favor for favor +2
>swap chloranthy for chloranthy +2
>drop to 13 VIG
>use five spare points to reach 15/15

If you're going to twink, twink properly.

>>164089919
Yes, true. Just like almost all video games that try to have a story can barely even aspire to be popcorn flick quality. And most theater is pozzed out melodramatic shit. And most books are airport fodder.

>>164090060
>oversimplification

nobody spends +50m dollars on special effects for a conversation about killing someone between mobsters, they spend it on the actual scene where they go and perform the act

video games exist for gameplay. you shoot mans. that's it. nothing else. nothing more. if you play video games to enjoy their story just watch a let's play of it on youtube

>>164090190
So you only play heavily marketed AAA games from Activision and Ea?

>>164089178
Think of them as random potion drops from mobs. The stronger the mob, the more likely of a refill drop. I forgot the actual rule to it through but invaders always drop 1-2 refills.

>>164089178

I don't think anyone knows yet. It seems random.

>>164088671
1 and 2 are totally different stories, 3 references 1 a lot and reuses locations but is still a separate story.

You can skip any of them or play in any order.

DS1 plays the worst on PC, has the most awkward controls but is the most memorable and fun.

DS2 have the most balance and content (most weapons, most areas, most bosses, etc.), but is generally inferior in quality and atmosphere. It's quantity > quality. Don't get regular DS2, get Scholar of the First sin. It also plays the best on PC with the least hardware requirements/issues.

DS3 has the best graphics and probably the least content. It's a shorter, more linear game than the other two but has good atmosphere and is the most active right now.

DS3 is probably the best to start with if you just want the most accessible.

DS2 is best if you have a weak computer or want the most hours of game for your dollar. It probably gives the worst first impression though.

DS1 is best if you are not sure if you will like the series, it's the most interesting game and the cheapest. If you like how DS3 looks but you want to get all the references/story/lore when playing it, start with DS1 first so you have that knowledge going into DS3. DS2 is really it's own, mostly separate lore.

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Holy shit merry Christmas

>>164088671
>>164090550
Basically the only thing linking them all is the first flame, the undead curse, and all vaguely being in he same world. Plus some shallow references and name drops to make autists go squee.

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This move always feels good to land
post webms

>>164090597
what is this

>>164088889
Just make sure before you judge DS2, you get past the boring first playthrough and judge the game on your second.

It gets much better if you get to the DLC, do PvP, and go to Ng+. Also, you're supposed to turn PC brightness down and burn ascetics during NG, so if you didn't do that, you should give it a try.

You still might not like it, but a lot of people formed first impressions of it right away without really diving into its advantages first.

The fact that you have to really get near the end of the game to access the coolest parts of the game is bad, but that's why it's probably the worst in the series. Still worth playing though.

>>164090728
I think I ran into you in the arena. Heretic Knight?

>>164090801
>Just make sure before you judge DS2, you get past the boring first playthrough and judge the game on your second.
You don't need to do a whole playthrough before you decide if you like the game christ. The opening areas are a bit dull but if you get to Huntsman's copse or maybe Earthen Peak you should be able to give it a fair shake and decide for yourself.

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>>164090752
Snow

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>>164090728
>>164090805
Yes

>>164089870
You're one of those guys who reads nothing, skips cutscenes and then asks "What do I do there, where to go, how do I play, why is this all heppening?"

>>164091046
That's me in the webm
Pyro with no CBV, GCFO, Black Serpent, Black Flame, Great Combustion, or Fire surge is tricky.

>>164089740
Someone never played a Kojima game

Good video games are about emotional experiences, just like books and movies. It doesn't matter if those experiences come form wrestling with the game's mechanics or from participating in a story.

The reason people praise metal gear solid 3's ending is because it's the perfect mix of participation and written context. There's both an experience in the actual gameplay, and the story context of what the gameplay means.

Dark Souls is way more about the gameplay than the meaning, but the meaning is still there. Some people like that more.

>>164091129
meant for >>164089740

>>164091129
What gave you that idea? I like shit like Dark Souls 1, Metroid, and Castlevania where you have to blunder along and explore.

>>164091218
Guy he was arguing with and I'd say a Kojima game is pretty much his perfect counterpoint to my argument about storytelling in video games being something valid to focus on. It's forced and awkward as fuck.

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You really are fond of chatting with me, aren't you?
If I didn't know better, I'd think you had feelings for me

>>164090910
>quitting DS2 before DLC, before power stancing, before pvp

why even buy the game then?

>>164091296
Sorry Solaire but my one true Dark Souls 1 waifu will always be Quelaag.

>>164091326
Because while all those things are great, if you hate the rest of the game those things will not be enough to save it for you.

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>>164091213
I was wondering when you would start spamming them until I realize that were all you had. It might've been laggy on my end.

>>164091376
If your tastes are so fickle that you hate the rest of DS2 and those things won't save it, then you shouldn't be looking at other souls games to buy anyway, the other souls games are just as far apart as DS2 is from them

>>164091458
There are people that only like 1 of the three Dark Souls games. There is nothing wrong with that, it's a matter of taste. But they won't necessarily know that out of the gate.

>>164091425
I'm trying to see what little-used Pyros are good.
So far, Profaned Flame, Fire Whip, and Boulder Heave aren't bad. The rest suck.

>kite guy entire duel getting a couple of hits in
>dodges most of my swings
>time is about to run out and he does a running attack to try and take me out
>switch to one handing my great sword and have caestus in the other hand
>hit the parry
>time runs out right when I land it
Wew, I should get better at parrying that was fun as fuck and pretty intense.

>Half the difficulty in the game comes from retarded fucking camera angles
nice game

>>164091616
>caestus in th-

stopped reading. nobody cares. you're not skilled or good.

>>164091458
>>164091376

Whatever your first souls game is, if you don't like it early on, you won't like anything else in the franchise. That includes DS2.

Whatever your first souls game is, if you like it early on, you'll be a bit disappointed when you try the other games and find out they're missing things that your first game had, but you'll still play them anyway. That includes DS2.

The games are all too good to skip, but too different for people to not have favorites.

So Andre is suddenly showing me much higher scaling damage than trogg says should be getting. Anything changed lately?

>>164091675
>Whatever your first souls game is, if you like it early on, you'll be a bit disappointed when you try the other games and find out they're missing things that your first game had, but you'll still play them anyway. That includes DS2.
DS1 was my first souls game and I ended up liking DS2 the best. Opening areas are still crap though.

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>>164091536
Fire Whip isn't as good as it was in ds2, Boulder Heave and Profaned Flame are only good against people who run into them. I got hit multiple times through but I was just whiffing around like an idiot and lost all my stamina. Since you're using parting flame you might as well use black flame with it aside from the other testing spells but I guess you wanted to test all of them for full effect.

>>164091669
What's wrong with the caestus? I have no equip load so I can't really carry anything else.

>>164091815
There's some utility to underused stuff like that just because people don't have the muscle memory of avoiding them.

>>164091757
Yeah, that's sort of my point. If you like your first souls game, you'll go on and play the others and enjoy them, just maybe with some disappointment like "opening areas are still crap"

Not saying your first is always your favorite, just that if you like your first, you'll enjoy all the other games enough to at least want to play them, unless you don't have a PS3/PS4 for BB/DeS.

>>164091867
It's got really long parry frames so it's a popular tool to offhand for parry spammers.

>>164091867
nothing, he's just upset that you parried him

but in all seriousness, a fraction of the board thinks using meta weapons and an offhand caestus is sin in spite of the fact that they're willing to use pontiff's CS and llewlyn as though it were dramatically different

>>164091815
Fire whip is good in Poise Souls 3 because if someone gets caught they're staggered no matter what armor they're wearing for the rest of the spell.
I had a few people try rolling through it and take 700 damage.

>>164091793
>>164091660

I see From went back to their roots for DS3 and made all the default settings total shit again.

>>164091961
it's only popular because the frames are early and the animation ends quickly, parrying shields have way more frames and look at what good it does them

>>164091869
Boulder Heave has lingering AoE, physical damage and insane stagger potential so there are niches that it can fulfill. I'm not really sure about Profaned Flame since it hasn't changed from ds2. It being that you can use it by toggling off aim and use it under your feet like you would with lingering flame. People would come at you with a running attack and wouldn't have the time to dodge it.

>>164091867

Nothing, it was kind of OP compared to other parrying tools pre patch. Now it's fine.

>>164092148
Yeah, regular small shields are honestly so much better due to the lower stamina drain on partials that I don't mind caestus.

The no recovery time (what was it, 8 frames?) it had at some point was retarded.

I'm still sad at how the actual parrying tools are pretty bad.

>Barely have enough time to attack dancer once with a dex weapon
is she even fucking possible on a str build? She only stops attacking long enough for a super quick attack

>>164092148
> Now it's fine.
I certainly wouldn't call it OP but it's still objectively better than everything else due to the low weight investment, and the fact that even if you aren't parrying with it it's still the lightest thing you can bless in your offhand.

Maybe I'm just sore about rapiers having midshield parries though, I don't know.

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Dark Souls 3 just took me 2 hours to download fuck

But i got a new GPU, heres to some FUN

>>164092289
First time I beat her was with a terrible str build and propaned GS

>>164092289

Dancer's punishable on certain attacks like the aftermath of her spins. It's all the bosses after her like Champ and Dragonslayer Armor that are a nightmare for STR weapons due to how little recovery frames they have after all their attacks.

>>164092305
>2 hourss
6 for me ;_;

>>164092289
Dancer is very slow and telegraphs most of her attacks though. Sulyvahn is much harder.

>>164091961
>>164091982
>>164092148
Ah got it. It was my first attempt at parrying against another player and it just happened to be the right weight to use with Lorians UGS. Didn't know it was considered meta.

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>>164092289
I find it easier to land a couple of hits when I'm positioned behind her and throw in one or two r1s whenever she uses anything that isn't side wailing.
>stabbing the ground
>dual sword toss
>grab or slaps
>jump attack
God help you if you're trying to avoid both of her swords, one will somehow manage to rollcatch you into a combo.

>>164092398
I beat Dragonslayer Armor on my second try, almost beat him on my first. Don't get the big deal.

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>>164092295
I'm still disappointed we don't get a bare-handed parry unless we go 2 bare hands.

caestus a shit

>>164092536
>tfw no in game Zullie waifu

>>164092557
DELETE

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>>164092305
>Dark Souls 3 just took me 2 hours to download fuck
Fuck you faggot. That's pretty good compared to people who have to wait more than 10 hours. It took me 3 hours and all I did in the mean time was cook and eat lunch.

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>playing DaS1 first playthrough
>fucking around in Blighttown(was going to Demon Ruins to stream Yellow Fog area but got sidetracked)
>soapstone message says "Here!", which, at a dead end, almost always means illusory wall
>hit the wall, illusory, chest
>check chest for mimic
>it's not, but the sword hits the wall behind
>illusory wall behind illusory wall
>what the fuck
>secret area

>tfw you missed out on secret hunting because of fucking dumbass luck

>>164092579
as much as I'd like that most people would probably still use a caestus for the regen. 2hp per second over the course of a minute is 120 hp. That's the difference between 34 and 39 vig with both life rings on, it's a good chunk of health in a duel assuming you don't get parried and ohko'd.

>dlc2 adds seven relevant bosses in current areas by connection, not separate warped to areas
>fuckin aldia shows up as a surprise and all it does is taunt the player and call their actions meaningless constanly
>all major plots resolved, player character with aldias help has the truth revealed and can finally put the world to actually die and rest in pieces forever
>after soul of cinder we fight the real aldia

>>164092670
get a gold serpent ring before killing those lizards anon, they have a chance to drop slabs and don't respawn

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>>164092637
>your waifu is dead
>your daughter is being kidnapped and raped by corrupted nobles in some faraway dungeon for being a witch
>you finally reach your destination
>only to be killed in front of her
>tfw your tormented spirit will haunt trespassers

>>164088889
DaS>DeS>DaS3>DaS2

>>164092485
Noone's really going to claim you're meta if you're using a UGS, don't worry

>>164092854
>not going the third way beyond light and dark
WE ALDIA NOW

>>164092854
>ds3 sotfs
No thanks.

>>164092854
>>164092956
>beat soul of cinder
>this music starts playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub-bg-rmEF4

post yfw

>>164092791
Regen is for pansies.

Give caestus right hand weapon WA.

>>164092956
What's with all the DS2 stuff lately?

It's weird, I just started a new character before checking the general earlier today. Even I'm feeling it too.

>>164092909
Alva had a hard life. Lost two waifus and a daughteru

>>164093041
>>164092956
>tfw never beat vendrick or aldia

>>164093126
DS3's flaws shone light on DS2's good points and people are bored of DS1.

>>164093126
because it's actually a great game and the sotfs/dlc areas is the best thing FROM has created ever

not enough people haved played it i think

>>164093126
People are going back to DS2 now that they're done with DLC and PvP in DS3.

There's a few DS2-hate shitters who stopped posting

Lots of new players getting DS2 from the winter steam sale, especially if they don't have a decent PC for DS3.

people realizing that DS3 is too short and has awful pvp, so they're going back to DS2 which has more replay value

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>take off pontiff's mask

IT WAS ME FRAAMPT! IT'S ME FRAAMPT! IT WAS ME, ALL ALONG FRAAMPT!

YOU ALL BOUGHT IT. YOU ALL BOUGHT IT, HOOK LINE AND SINKER. EVEN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY BOUGHT IT!

>>164093213
Makes sense. I played DS1 to death right before DS3 came out, then got obsessed with DS3.

>>164093242
It's the Dark Souls game I've played least. I should give it another go or two.

>>164092854

>this
>and angels
>you and aldia vs angels
>perfectly fits with everything

A shame soul memory is still a thing. I'd love to go back to a crowded active DaS 2.

>>164093376
What the fuck are the angels?

>>164093242
>sotfs/dlc areas is the best thing FROM has created ever

EH let's not get ahead of ourselves here. SOTFS DLC is average-to-good for Dark souls. I'd say it's not on par with DS1/DS3's best areas, but it's better than DS1/DS3's average areas.

>>164093290
I have Scholar of the First Sin for PS4 already, but should I get it on steam now that it's on sale?

Like is the PC online more active or better in some way?

>>164093429
I thought Shulva was fantastic minus some issues it caused with invading due to DS2 mechanics. One of the best areas From ever made.

Someone told me some time ago that picking deprived on DS3 was a bad idea. Why?

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https://youtu.be/Q0Ydv5RSAxs?t=3m12s

>Poise does absolutely fucking nothing in ds3
>rats and dogs are now the most dangerous enemies in the game
seriously how did they fuck this up AGAIN?

>that baby crushing sound clip

damn dood

>>164093350
DS2 is the hardest to get right

>make sure you turn brightness down to recommended (or lower) levels so that torches actually matter
>play SOTFS, not vanilla DS2
>take advantage of power stance at some point
>ignore bonfire order, just explore wherever you want. ~70% of the game is accessible within the first 5 minutes, take advantage of that.
>Burn bonfire ascetics and go back for extra goodies
>don't farm for specific items, just let them drop naturally or move on without them
>don't min-max like DS1, try to keep your stats balanced and try different equpment/tactics.

Follow those rules and you'll get the most fun out of DS2.

>>164093489
PC is a lot more active, but that's only if you really like DS2's pvp and want to play against PC players, probably not worth buying twice, but that's up to you.

>>164093608
grab a greatsword my dude

>>164093608
Poise is hyperarmor. It's extremely useful.

>>164093842
hyper armor is an obscure mechanic to most players and reducing poise to just that was a mistake.

>>164093421
An inconsequential bullshit bit of lore that is only ever alluded to in a few obscure item descriptions. Unsurprisingly, Vaati made an entire 20 minute video about it and people are now speculating that the entire last DLC is going to revolve around them.

>>164093885
DS3 really is the most obviously unfinished Souls like. The Profaned Capital and Angels are such clear massive cut content.

>>164093885
>and people are now speculating that the entire last DLC is going to revolve around them.
remember when this thread was pissed as hell about AoA ruining its depictions of Velka and All-Father Loyd?

>>164093874
DS1 is the outlier. Poise was a PvE mechanic, they didn't really intend for PvP to allow players to shrug off any and all attacks. They fixed that in DS2 and DS3.

who even is aldia

>>164094098
They fixed it in DS2 then went too far in DS3.

>>164093765
Thanks for the advice.

Should I even give a fuck about Soul Memory? Like the second time I played it I kept using the agape ring because I was afraid of fucking up my SM and leaving myself out of coop fun.

>>164094172
King Vendrick's brother who delved deep into fundamental secrets of the world and forbidden history to try to stop the undead curse and lost his humanity in the process.

WHy doesnt it give me the option to level up? Not enough souls? I have 3k although I am level 15 from knight class or so

>>164094176
I tried a lot at first but /dsg/ told me eventually just to not give a fuck and honestly I hit 3 m and was getting random invasions in Eleum Loyce so maybe it was the right advice.

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>>164088350
>Be me
>Wandering around in grand archives for the first time
>Finally kill the witch that's been shooting shit at me.
>YOU HAVE BEEN INVADED BY DARK SPIRIT TURBONIGGER
>Fug
>Guy popped up right next to me so I'm at half health when the fight starts.
>Guy has some Katana and a cestus, all he does is parry and backstab fish
>Scrap for a while, we're both low on health
>Guy finally gets a parry and riposts me
>TFW tears of denial saves my ass and I give him the killing blow while he flails around.

People can beak faith builds all they want, it's absolutely worth it just for tears of denial. There are few things more delicious then putting a stop to an invader after something that should have killed you.

dark souls 3 pvp is so fucking stale
landing a big hit only for someone to moonwalk away while healing is obnoxious as shit
hornet ring backstabs and ripostes are literally the only way to kill someone holy fuck

I have a common steam name that 400k+ profiles have, but this guy found me to thank me for helping him on a boss

how did he find me???

>>164094438
Scholar of the Age of Deep will fix it

>>164094483
open steam overlay
click view players, recent players
ez

so is scholar of the first sin just DS2 with more shit?

>>164094548
Basically yeah. Also redid the spawns and crap.

>>164094548
I got SOTFS and didnt even manage to talk to the tree nigger, so yes. Maybe it fixes bugs?

Im mad that pyromancy (and sorcery and faith) is so shit in DaS 2 and 3. U used to fuck shit up in the first game

>>164094548
it's high quality ds2 with some of the best areas, bosses and music in all ds games

>>164094536
Dark souls 2 doesnt even show up on mine

its all dota even though I havent played it in like a week

>>164094175
DS2 poise had serious problems.
>You had to build your entire equipment around poise to use it, but the counter to poise was to just 2H your weapon, so it was hard to use but easy to counter.
>poise regeneration was extremely slow, so if you poise through an attack, you HAD to let yourself get hit afterwards to reset your poise so you could poise through a second attack, otherwise you had no poise.
>all weapons and swings gave you the same poise during hyperarmor frames, no matter how slow it was, making the weapons that most needed it not any better than the weapons that didn't
>you can poise through attacks like DS1, but your walking speed is reduced and only if you have built insane poise on your character
>you can still be interrupted by being hit twice during your windup even if you poise through the first hit.

DS3 fixed most of those issues:
>you can roll to self-trigger the poise reset, and it auto-resets after a single stagger
>no more massive 2H benefits, but instead based on moveset
>poise is easier to build up without focusing an entire character for it (rings are multiplied along with your moveset, unlike DS2, so ring poise is useful)
>consecutive hits during your swing are still poised through if the first hit is

>>164094616
>Im mad that pyromancy (and sorcery and faith) is so shit in DaS 2 and 3. U used to fuck shit up in the first game
u wot
Spells are still good in DaS 2 even if you ignore hexes entirely

>>164094364
Meanwhile in every other situation
>Get caught in R1 spam
>Tears activate
>Die immediately after
>Get pointed down at for being so stupid as to think ToD could save you

>>164094734
>>poise is easier to build up without focusing an entire character for it

>in DS3

>>164094548
>>164094616
>>164094583
>>164094634

SOTFS:
>slightly improved graphics, lighting, etc.
>DLC integrated into the main game, not bought
>added new NPC invaders from lighting the torch sconces in certain areas
>Added a re-occurring NPC invader throughout the game
>added more statues/branches, no longer have to jump down to the gutter to get the first branch
>changed item locations and a few enemy locations
>Added NG+ content

Also, I don't know if it was the same in DS2 or not, but in SOTFS some bosses gain new attacks on bonfire intensity 2+, last giant has a bellyflop for example.

>>164094737
half the spells take up 4 attunement slots, have 2 casts, are laughably dodgable and low damage compared to a fully buffed dark crypt blacksword

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30Str/30Dex for Twinblade in DS2
or 50 in one

>>164095023
mundane santiers spear

>>164095016
you want attunement if you're focusing on spells in DS2 anyway since it ups cast speed.

>>164094981
Compared to DS2, yeah.

The only way to have any meaningful poise in DS2 was to use full havels and giant ring. Even then, that was just enough to get past 2H rapiers and 1H greatswords. You need minotaur helm and iron flesh if you want to poise through 2H rapiers.

>>164094737
>>164094616
Spells in DS2 are overpowered. Elemental damage in general is extremely good except in the DLC.

>>164095103
Meanwhile there is no meaningful poise in DS3, just hyper armor

>>164095023
50/50 because why not, abuse soul memory

Armor in DS1 is primarily for poise

Armor in DS2 is primarily for damage absorption

Armor in DS3 is primarily for looks

>>164095016
>Chaos Storm
>Outcry
>Dance of Fire
>Fire Snake
>Flame Swathe *
>Lingering Flame *
>Forbidden Sun *
>Warmth *

>Crystal Soul Spear (spiced down)
>Heavy Homing Soul Arrow *
>Homing Crystal Soul Mass
>Soul Geyser (spiced down)
>Unleash Magic (when used with Blue Flame or MLGS)

>Great Magic Barrier
>Blinding Bolt (spiced down)
>Resplendent Life *
>Sacred Oath
>Soul Appease * (against a hollowed opponent)

>Climax (spiced down)
>Dark Orb
>Resonant Weapon
>Resonant flesh (when host)
>Profound Still *
>Affinity

These are all the viable / powerful spells in DS2. Ones marked with a * will get you hate mail if used correctly.

>>164095581

>all those shit miracles/hexes
>no mention of based Heavenly Thunder, the only good PvP miracle and Scraps of Life/Dark Greatsword

Resonant Weapon is a worse Dark Weapon as well.

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So how do you deal with Kirk users spamming quickstep until infinity? I'm having a shit time trying to PvP right now because of this.

>>164095687
Oh shit, I forgot heavenly thunder.

Dark Greatsword is too easy to roll through and too hard to equip to really be 'good'. It can be good but good luck actually hitting with it.

Scraps of life should be added, with hatemail if you know what you're doing. You can't roll through it, I forgot.

Resonant weapon does 1.35x damage, Dark weapon only does 1.2x. Dark weapon is the weakest buff.

>>164095819

Greatsword 1HR1 delayed rollcatches.

Corvian Greatknife delayed 2HR1 pokes.

Curved Sword 2HR1 spam.

Rolling away from them until they are out of FP.

>>164095848

>Resonant weapon does 1.35x damage, Dark weapon only does 1.2x. Dark weapon is the weakest buff.

Wasn't Resonant Weapon nerfed to be worse than Dark Weapon a few patches into the game? It also costs souls to cast compared to Dark Weapon.

Fire Weapon was the weakest buff anyway in terms of pure AR it gives as well as being the most commonly resisted element.

>>164095848
Only takes 1 attunement slot and needs no souls tho

>>164095023
40 strength on red iron twinblade. Get ready for hatemail. It's the only one that competes with Santier's spear.

>>164095069
Mundane was nerfed. Raw santier's spear is much, much better. Infused+buffed is good too.

Why didn't the chosen undead just unlink the flame.

Avaa is so fucking shit jesus fucking christ WHO DESIGNED THESE HITBOXES

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>>164088350
Going to start Dark Souls 3 and am going to make a Gene character from Godhand.

I haven't played Dark Souls since the first came out. What kind of build should I go for? I was thinking something like /str/-/faith/ with something in between that str and fth. I don't really remember what all the stats were. What armor would look best?

>>164095958
Best to worst:
> +50 * 1.35, 2 use, 2 slots (Resonant)
> +50 * 1.30, 4 use, 1 slot (Fire)
> +50 * 1.30, 1 use, 1 slot (Sunlight)
> +50 * 1.30, 1 use, 1 slot (Crystal Magic)
> +50 * 1.20, 4 use, 1 slot (Dark)
> +50 * 1.20, 3 use, 1 slot (Great Magic)
> +50 * 1.15, 8 casts, 1 slot (Magic)

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>>164096215
Because he listened to his greatest ally

>>164096304
Congrats you picked the worst game in the series to do a hybrid build

>>164096474
>>164095958
Fire is the most easily resisted, so it's ~2-3% lower compared to the other 3 main buffs since most players have 20-30 higher fire resistance than the others. But it gets the most casts.

Resonant weapon gives you an extra 5% damage and an extra use for using 2 slots and consume souls. The soul consumption is negligible though.

Just installed DS2 on my crappy work laptop. Feels like it's giving me a headache and maybe a little input lag.
Should I turn off anti aliasing and/or do anything else?

>>164095687
Great magic barrier is reason enough to level up FTH. Most of DS2's meta is built around elemental damage, GMB + dispelling ring is like having twice as much health as anyone not using it.

Sorcerers probably get the worst spells, but the few good ones they do get (soul spear, soul greatsword, crystal soul mass) are all the most damaging.

>>164096827
Change model quality to "play character only", disable SSAO and depth of field. Use low-quality shadows. Those are the easiest fixes with the least impact on the visuals.

If that fails, run it at 720p.

>>164096827
>Should I turn off anti aliasing

Yes, it's not even real anti aliasing, it's just blur.

Which UGS should I use in DS2, Greatsword or Zwei?

Trying to kill dragonslayer armor on a str build right now
is he even possible with an ugs
he never stops fucking attacking

>>164097172
just roll a lot

>>164097010
its very clearly FXAA

>>164097272

Exactly, FXAA is not actual AA but blur. It makes textures look bad.

>>164097086

Zwei has longest range of the UGS class, use it on a Flynn build and/or Dark-infused.

>>164097010
>>164096961
Thanks m8s. I'll let you know how it goes once I'm out of character creation.

>>164093523

Deprived is generally for min-maxing but mostly twinking once you know what you want to build. It'd probably be pretty rough if you're new.

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>>164088350
>dual wielding
disgust

>>164096612
Oh I know. That's part of the fun.

>>164088350
Do I need to talk to Segward for him to save Greirat? Or will he do it anyways?

When does Greirat come back?

>Can't just ascetic at a bonfire for + rings in 3
>having to play through the game 3 times at a low level just to make a good twink
>pvp is fucking garbage anyways
this is just not worth it on 3

>>164097720
>When does Greirat come back?
generally after beating a boss
not sure if you need to talk to siegward, but I am pretty sure that you must give him back his armor set, else he won't save greirat.
If you didn't give his armor back, make sure that patches is in firelink shrine and talk with him, if siegward can't save greirat, patches will

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>>164097421
>tfw you want to make an androgynous waifu and you accidentally make Casca

>>164097846
I just don't care for the + rings in DS3, they're just marginally better

so was Dark Souls 3 a disappointment?

i liked it

>>164098050
2>1>>>>3

>>164098050
It was a disappointment to me but I still liked it.

>>164098050
They're all disappointing in their own ways

>>164097720

I *believe* the bare minimum sequence is: give Sieg his armor back, send Greirat out, then talk to Sieg in the kitchen before beating Pontiff or entering the Dungeon. Patches can also save him if you don't buy Sieg's armor and tell him where Greirat went.

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>>164089232
>fextralife

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got 1.8k in ds 3, built everything under the sun except magic faggots, come at me

>>164089168
>Najka's arena
The boss's name is Mytha

>>164098524
>Soul of Morne's Greathammer, which can be transposed for Morne's Greathammer

why is ds3 so laggy

>>164097086
Zwei:~508 AR with Flynn's Ring, best moveset, longest range, lowest stamina consumption, every move is pvp viable
Greatsword: ~566 AR (incl. difference in flynn's loss), Scales better, but 2H moves are terrible, predictable, most people know how to bait it.

I prefer Zwei, it has many more versatile attacks and most people know how to roll bait greatsword's R1s. Being able to have more moves available to you and actually hitting will do better than the extra 50 AR greatsword gives you. Also 2H zweihander will out-damage 1H greatsword, taking away Greatsword's only real advantage.

Fume has both the best moveset and damage, but has insane equip requirements.

Lost Sinner has Zwei's weight and stamina consumption, but with high damage, and the worst moveset of all UGS. Best for power stancing L-hand since it overwrites it's terrible moveset.

MLGS is basically an UGS in range and damage, also.

>>164097010
>>164096961
Thanks again! I think those tips worked. I even landed some parries.

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You know what you guys need?

>>164094172
A literal faggot
a faggot=bundle of sticks

>>164088350

Playing SOTFS for the first time, I have a question.

Just before entering Majula, on the way from the old women's house, there was a part of the cave covered with orange signs and a bunch of red bloodstains, seemingly showing people just standing there and then dying.

What is all that about?

>>164099024
they're all over the game, the orange signs are messages left there by other players, and the bloodstains show how other players have died in those locations

>>164099024
People meme hardcore there because that's the first place where the messages/bloodstains show up.

>>164099024
Speedrunners getting the jump wrong to cut corners

I need good DS3 fashion.
If it doesn't meet my incredibly high standards I'll rip the shit out of it.

>>164099128

I knew that, but what is it about all the ones in that cave? It's a little cave right before you step outside into the world.

>>164099143

So do they just kill themselves or something?

>>164099195

Really? A lot would just be standing still and then die out of nowhere?

I just find this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_wCwTdaGyo

Anyone have a good pyromancy build i can make for PvP?

>>164099024
SOTFS loads an absolute shitload of bloodstains at anytime

So if there's any potential for death in an area, you will probably see every single retard that has managed it. Be it leaping off the cliff before majula, or because they kited an enemy from a different area

>>164099243
They damage themselves with a weapon that causes self harm and then poison themselves to finish them off (so using the self-harm weapon doesn't show up in the bloodstain)

It's just a meme. People kill themselves using the Chikage self harm in Bloodborne next to the pale doll to meme.

>>164099336
level int, faith and attunement
so hard, right?

>>164098794
To feed off the humanity of Manus's corpse, the primeval man?

>>164099517
what cap and class?

>>164099301
Gwyn's got a good JUST face when Gwyndolin comes in to fag it up. This is actually really good. Shame about no Gwynevere model, I want to see what she'd look like standing up

>get invaded
>invader runs up and bows
>starts to buff
>hornet ring backstab him while he is buffing
>he adds me to shit talk for killing him will buffing
are people really this retarded

Do I have to buy ALL of Orbeck's inventory for his storyline, even if I already learned some of the sorceries from somewhere else?

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>>164099539
...Yeah.

>>164098794
To feed off the humanity of other humans?

>>164099560
>what cap?
int/faith 45/45
>and class?
you want a pyro build, are you really that retarded to not realize that the pyromancer might be the best start? just kill yourself

>>164099591
>invade a player
>bow so he knows I'm not going to try and gank him
>start buffing my weapon
>he runs up and ganks me while buffing

guess he was just really desperate for the win.

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>>164099301
>tfw you understand Italian

I <3 ThePruld

>>164099713
do you even know what gank means

>>164099765
Ganking = gang killing
In Souls context it meqns when you get raped by multiple pvp opponents while you're alone.

>>164099301
>>164099759
also panettone is delicious

>>164099849
then how is getting back stabbed by 1 person ganking

>>164099765
replace gank with 'tryhard kill'

you have to be really desperate to win if you're going to backstab someone while buffing after they bowed

>break into a house
>call out to the owner so he knows it's fair
>start loading my gun
>he runs up and kicks me in the dick while I'm trying to get the bullets out of my pocket

woooooooow

>>164099913
Because the guy using the term is retarded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0emX5RgZQ

>>164099301

jesus kek

The Italian makes it 1000x funnier than if it were in English.

>>164099658
Dark Holes is GOAT

Dark Souls backstory is also great

>>164099687
geez whats up your butt?

>>164099961
Just spat all over my keyboard, holy shit lol

>>164099949
Any invader dumb enough to bow and buff in plain sight in gank souls 3 deserves what they get

>>164099961
guess he was really desperate, huh

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Should I... like turn off motion blur or something?

>>164100172
No, Savage

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I want to protect Shanalotte guys

>mfw spent 20 minutes on the first enemy in DS2
>farthest i've gone was half health
should i kill myself?
also is swordsman a meme?

>>164100262
if you're talking about the ogres
just dont fight them

>>164100249
I honestly thought she was gonna be the main villain

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>>164100294
>just don't fight them
i thought i'm supposed to so i can git gud

>>164099961
>invading is like breaking into someone's house

Can someone actually explain why it is more fun to backstab someone while they are buffing than it is to just fight them when they finish?

Unless you actually don't want to do multiplayer, but then why are you embered?

It just sounds like you guys are taking trash pvp way too seriously and getting butthurt over people who don't

>>164100373
The hitbox on their grab scares me so much that they are the only enemy I will never engage in melee

>>164100262
Knight/Warrior is generally the most noob friendly class.

Also level up ADP until your agility is over something like 92.

>>164100262
be more patient when taking on the ogres at the start of the game

>>164100470
i was embered because i just barely killed a boss
plus you get hp from being embered

>>164100470
>why are you embered?
Because it's 30% more health
And the goal for souls invasions is not to have a "good fight", it's to kill the other guy as fast as possible so you can continue with the level. If you want honorduel faggotry, there's the arena.

>>164100249

She looks like the chick from The Magicians which is the only reason to watch The Magicians.

>>164100520
>>164099961
>>164099591

>needing even more host advantage in DS3

I bet you're one of those guys who starts slapping the other guy's hands and controller when playing splitscreen games

If it's just about getting the win just go all the way and become a lagswitching metafuck every time you're invaded?

The guy was probably just excited to invade someone without 2 phantoms that he decided to be a good sport about it.

>>164100757
>good sport
Honorfaggotry has no place in Souls pvp.
Honorfaggots are even worse cancer than gankers.

>>164100081
I'd never seen Dark Holes. Thanks for telling me. It was funny and I enjoyed the novelty of a fan really into Dark Souls that also had some self awareness about it.

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>>164100319
>implying she wasn't
She's the one that puts you in the Throne of Want instead of seeking a third way.

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>>164100249
>>164101171
Why is her hair brown here when it's red in the game?

Same question for Gwynevere in the concept art actually

>>164098050
For me yes.
Mostly because like 2 they fix some mistakes while adding new huge ones that weren't problems in the previous games.
For example: linear ass map design, invasion mechanics, selling an arena as DLC, no NG+ content.

I feel like at some point we're going to get the magnum opus this series deserves and Memezaki isn't going to be the one to deliver it.

Bad news is that it will probably release when berserk ends.

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>tfw you accidentally let the dogs out and ruin your chances of getting all the achievements

putting a bunch of messages saying "dont you dare!" makes it very tempting.

>>164102797
Time to head to ng+

>>164102967
ng+ is artificial difficulty

>>164103198
artificial difficulty is an artificial argument

>>164103223
artificial is artificial

Is Albino our guy?

>>164103223
that doesn't even make sense

>>164103251
nobody is our guy

>>164103272
sense is artificial reason

>>164094438
>Not using undead hunter charms
DUDE!

>>164103538
undead hunter charms are artificial gud

>>164103538

WOW!

>>164097669
you can bash powerstance all you want but leave dual wielding alone

I'm thinking of making a twink build that uses stormcaller
It has no requirements and looks badass as fuck with the tornado around it

>>164099591
If this was in the arena that would've been dickish, but running up to a host expecting a "honorabu duel"? He deserved it, what an idiot.

>>164103812
plus the damage is really low, so you won't make people cry about being a twink

>>164103313
Zullie / Crestfallen.

>>164104182
i actually just had an amazing idea
Storm ruler
Earth Seeker
Lorian greatsword
STORM EARTH AND FIRE HEED MY CALL

>tfw run to Alonne is harder than the boss itself

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> enemy (4) lesser foe (2)
> repeat twice
> mini boss
> enemy
> boss
> bonfire
DARK SOULS

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>>164092579
bare fist should be wa for l1 and parry for l2 desu. who the fuck would want to jab for 25 damage?

>>164104257
That's standard Souls game area / boss design.

>>164104267
>Bonfire
>enemies
>bonfire
>enemies
>bonfire
>boss
DARK SOULS 3

>>164092871
isn't one of them supposed to drop a guaranteed slab?

>>164104257
I found the run easy and the boss really hard.

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> Mfw YOU DIED

>>164104341
The only bad part is how ugly the run is. Like some gay sex dungeon followed by LAND UHF RIZING SZUN

>>164104270
>Getting acces to weaponarts AND parries by using nothing.
No, that would be stupid

>>164093547
>not pontiff crown

>>164104257
just run and ignore the enemies

>>164089168
WRONG. you can see behind the top of the elevator, there's only lava. unless you're going to argue that you walked a few miles to get from the last EP bonfire to mytha and somehow ended up under the lake, it's still bullshit. just accept that it's retarded design caused by the shorter deadline and fucked development caused by by bamco and indirectly by sony respectively

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*invades your realm via wifi

Heh... nothing personnel, kid

>>164104759
TIME
IS
CONVOLUTED

>>164095103
>The only way to have any meaningful poise in DS2 was to use full havels and giant ring. Even then, that was just enough to get past 2H rapiers and 1H greatswords

This is only when using smaller weapons that get no bonus poise from hyper armour frames. If you're using a big weapon in DS2 you'll see the benefits much earlier because bigger weapons multiply your poise values. In DS3 poising through things with a small weapon isn't even an option regardless of what you wear.

Not that I think DS2's poise system was ideal, just keeping it straight

>>164104801
Le time is constipated. Yet in ds1, which introduced this and got piggybacked in ds2 (unless it's also mentioned there, I don't recall) you could always see other places where you were or you would go and it was their actual position in the physical world. Even in ds3, where time is ovulating so hard that the whole world get mushed together by the end of the game, there is actual coherence in the world. Places don't always make sense to be together, but at least they are actually that close in the physical world. So enough with this "time is contemplating" bullshit.

>play DS2
>enter fog gate
>it's literally ornstein
Why do people complain about the nostalgia pandering in DS3, again?

>>164104861
>because bigger weapons multiply your poise values
This only happens when you're like halfway through the attack animation. Completely inferior to good HA system of DS3.

>>164105167
>Even in ds3, where time is ovulating so hard that the whole world get mushed together by the end of the game, there is actual coherence in the world.
I wouldn't go that far

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STORM EARTH AND FIRE
HEED MY CALL

>>164105250
because there's way more of it in a much shorter game and you just saw the biggest concentration of it in DaS 2

>>164105250
>statue of Firstborn in DS2 just sits in some random shithole with zero meaning or purpose
>sunfags in DS2 actively dickride Solaire
>statue of Firstborn in DS3 is hidden in a house of a dragonslayer who was a friend of both Firstborn and Ornstein
>sunlight straight sword is hidden in a nearby storage as well
>they can actually invade now reflecting the fact they praise the literal god of war and not just some silly cooperator
>you can fucking fight the said god of war and it's one of the best boss fights in the entire franchise

>>164105167
>>164105250
>>164105260
>>164105368
Who woke up the autistic DS3 fanboys?

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>>164102676
>at some point we're going to get the magnum opus the series deserves
Bloodborne.

>>164104589
Normally that would be the solution but they decided to design the boss so that you will get fucked if you try to do that.

>>164105167
time is convoluted

>>164105501
Bloodborne is a pretty different game despite being in the same genre. I wouldn't call it the Souls Magnum Opus. It's its own thing. Way more twitchy

>>164105167
I really like that DS3 actually shows that world is converging. If you try to use the lower entrance to the CotD, you will see that it's a dead end and space around it looks like the whole cathedral was teleported on another spot. When you enter Irithyll, there's main road leading into the city, but it's blocked by boulders because whole city was teleported closer to Lothric Castle which is built on top of First Flame.

In fact, it's really cool you can see Lothric Castle from virtually anywhere because it's a centre of convergence.

>>164105304
But there is. The locations are where they are seen in the world. You don't pass a short aqueduct and suddenly propel yourself 20 miles north

>>164105769
Irithyll is pretty weirdles placed. The whole catacombs to profaned hallway circuit is kind of weird desu. But rushed, yeah. At least the Lothric to Cathedral of the Deep stuff has a decentish sense of scale, if not DaS 1 good.

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>statues of Frampt right near the boss room of homo princes are destroyed
Holy shit why i've never noticed this before.

>>164105716
why are there three Fire Link Shrines tho. In the end of the game you literally teleport from Firelink Shrine to Firelink Shrine then to a walkway outside Firelink Shrine B to go to the Kiln of the First Flame. Screams cut-content tbqh

>>164088889
this is the correct order
BB>DaS1>DeS>>>DaS2=DaS3

>>164104257

That's the classic formula for most bosses in Dark Souls.

The more impossible the run, the easier the boss.

>>164105953
>BB
Literally "No John, you are the demons"

>>164105916
>three Fire Link Shrines
There's only one in different times.
Untended Graves is the past, probably one cycle ago.
Kiln is the future, so far away that Lothric Castle turns to dust, revealing that it's built literally on top of the same archtree where Flame appeared in first place.

>>164106054
Source for this?

Where is the best pvp hotspot for DeS? I usually get 2-3 invasion in the most worlds where I try this but I'd like to know for sure. Also I what's the most actice range now? I am level 60.

>>164106016
kek

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> 3am
Better go to bed!
> 5:17am on /dsg/

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>>164088889
I'm currently new to BB so take from that what you will but :

BB = / > DaS1 > DaS 3 > DeS / DaS2

Mechanically DeS and in terms of bosses is worse than DaS2 and DaS3 is generally like a much more improved version of DeS but DeS has a great atmosphere and DaS2 has a lot of problems in that particular area due to how DaS2 tries to do so much yet only succeeding in so little.

If DaS2 would've been the same level of atmosphere as the TGS demo, there would be close to no reason to play DeS imo.

>>164106054
>time is convoluted
thanks

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>>164106079
Observation, mostly.

If you compare the landscapes of normal timeline and Kiln timeline you can see that archtree housing First Flame is a base of a rocky plateau entire Castle was sitting on.

The reason you get into untended graves in first place is most likely because you fight Oceiros dangerously close to First Flame which fucks up time and space. It's certainly set in the past as Shrine Handmaiden will have a unique dialogue with you in present if you never talk with her prior talking to her in Untended Graves.

Likewise, Kiln is obviously set in the future when process of convergence reaches the point when Flame literally fucks up the entire world around it, revealing the true form of plateau. Firelink seems to be not just abandoned, but utterly ruined. Scraps of Lothric Castle and Graves can be seen all around the stump.

Does anybody know what the exact Japanese name for the Washing pole is?

I need Darkmoon Blade for a faith character. I already got it months ago with another character farming Silver Knights.
I'm not willing to go through hours of tedious farming again, so I'll try CE this time.

Never used it in this game, so I have a few questions:
1. If I fuck up something that would get me banned, I'm safe reverting to a previous save?
2. I think I read here the safe way to get 30 Proof of a Concord is to drop one and edit the quantity, is that right?
3. Anyone has a link to the right CE table?

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>>164106207
4-1 for fight clubs.

>>164105678
>Way more twitchy
I actually think BB is more tactical than say, DS3 because mastering a single weapon's moveset matters more than just smashing R1 with a straight sword.

Granted, if you use something like the Snore Cleaver, there isn't much difference but the lack of shields and gun parries make the battles more tactical than just lmao mash r1 to victory imo.

>>164088889
DaS 1 > DaS 3 > DaS 2 Scholar > DeS > DaS 2 vanilla.

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>>164106272
I know that feel. Have a waifu.

>>164106532
I still say the repeated areas and shoddy way this is handled is indicative of a rushjob rather than secret 2deep4u genius. Especially since it kind of looks like the huge mushed together wreck before the Kiln was meant to be a level at one point.

>as Shrine Handmaiden will have a unique dialogue with you in present if you never talk with her prior talking to her in Untended Graves.
wait wut

>>164106589
I work for Bamco, don't bother logging in, your banned

>>164106537
Found it myself, 物干し綱.

>>164106537
>Does anybody know what the exact Japanese name for the Washing pole is?
wash-ing po-ru

>>164106592
That's because DS3 tries to be DS and BB at the same time and both facets are the worse for it.

>>164106638
>wait wut
i wish retard took their time actually exploring the game before calling everything a "rush job"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5mHuSFRzZM