/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>163684669

Ummm...?? Where is the tummies in pic?

>>163684669

New IVAN release
- vampires and vampirism
https://github.com/Attnam/ivan/releases/tag/v0508

DCSS Trunk updates 23 Dec
- Ogre changes
- heal/tele/haste wand removal
- hill giants removal
http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-23-december-2016

Caves of Qud update
- relic items
- factions
- procedural history
http://steamcommunity.com/games/333640/announcements/detail/282996938559898242

>>163684762
That is /rlg/ circa 2014.

Also, there is a very yummy tummy in the back corner.

>>163684968
>- hill giants removal
and two-headed ogres buffed. Overall, not a terrible change, since it never made sense that 2H ogres were only *slightly* more dangerous than regular ogres.

>>163684762
Under the Santa's hat.

should i just reroll if i get a acid draconian?? it looks like the skill sucks

hm so I got warned for getting into an off topic argument last thread.

I'm actually really happy about this, because it means we may have some German secret police janitor to kill the tumposters and various other intentional shitposters who delude themselves into thinking those posts are somehow beloved.

Also, apparently I made a mistake in trying to get silpresents in MPA sil because he, guess what? REMOVED THEM. I don't even have regular Sil compiled. Thanks Grinch.

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post sil christmas gifts

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>he's doing it for free
>he doesn't have a real job
>he's """"""""working"""""""" even during Christmas

>>163687587
>he's on 4chan during christmas too
>and shitposting instead of being friendly to your NEET brothers

>>163684968
>heal/tele/haste wand removal
literally what is the point of evocations then

Which do you prefer?

Having an orgasm or ascending in a roguelike?

>>163687845

They weren't affected by evocations.

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>>163687301
I love christmas

>>163688159
my question still stands

>>163688061
Prior, but with someone i like..

>>163688061
Ascending always feels empty. The excitement always lies in the struggle and it's just a flat 'eh' feeling after you win.

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>>163687301
I can't figure out how to open this wrapped present, using / doesn't seem to do anything. I did start with pic related on the tile next to me, not sure if it was insane chance or another present or what.

I still have 'a finely wrapped present' that I can't figure out how to interact with.

>>163688305

Have you tried a high power rod of shadows? I bet you don't

>>163688864
drop it from your inventory, stand on top of it, and hit o

>>163689581
I did, nothing happened
Somebody elsewhere suggested maybe it just started open because this is the 25th, and that Wyrmbane may not be able to spawn on d1 anyways, so it's probably the present.

reminder that the #1 use for orc scouts is to be chased towards secret doors that you know must be there so they open them for you because you failed your search x20 and unlike pcb sil won't let you try to bash a door tile that your character still thinks was a wall

>>163688061
>not doing both at the same time
um?

Merry Christmas /rlg/

Sincerely, /poeg/

I probably should have made Christmas presents in PCBR.
Oh well. Maybe next year.

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Okay, Caves of Qud's most recent update is really fucking neat.

>>163690242
All memes aside Qud is a pretty cool game

>>163690242
Pic unrelated

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Ok..

>>163690242
>>163690403
Inquisitivewreck sounds like the name of a dorf fort fort :^)

>>163690530
just hit n

>>163690530
something something FREE XP

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>>163690530
Free xp, ty game, more ood's please

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>>163690731
DUDE

>>163690912
Just hold Tab and hope.

>>163684968
I wish they would just be bold and delete evoc/wands, only have evocable rings/cloaks etc. with a fixed fail rate

Then bring in a more balanced set of rods, and tie them to associated spell schools

none of this pussy inch by inch removal and being replaced by nothing stuff

>>163686085
Acid drac has amazingly strong breath attack. Very few monsters in the game have acid resistance
only drac color worthy of reroll is black

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>>163690912
And enough for today, i knew it this shit would have happened, i fucking knew it

>>163688305
the point of evocations is the same as the point of evo before those wands were removed, since it didn't have anything to do with them anyways

KoFi or KoAs of YuGiOh?

>>163691580
as is a lot shittier with blowguns being nerfed

you might want to kogl instead of fi, idk

if i upgrade evocations does it increase the damage of draconian breath?

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>down in the rogue thread "wan wan wan"
>it's an /rlg/ momiji shitpost song
>straight past the captcha with a bag of memes
>to quell all the neckbeards' autist screams

>>163691917
Hmm, yeah, I'm going Gl, I don't need the shield and those nets might come in handy.

>>163691339

>since it didn't have anything to do with them anyways

you still haven't learned your lesson huh

>>163691580
KoAr of yugi

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>>163692052

>>163692816
I would, but I want this to be a melee character. I can get lots of Evo for cheap anyways, so the 3 won't help.

>>163693058
But KoAr is a melee char..

Merry Xmas everyone!

I used the pastebins of this general like a year or two ago and discovered some amazingly fun games, brogue and dungeon crawl stone soup

I'm in the mood for some roguelike gameplay again, any ideea what other roguelike I could easily play with only 1 hand (i mean purely keyboard on my laptop), like brogue? Am I just unaware that most of the games in the pastebin have hotkeys or something, or are there some that demand mouse usage?

Also, is there any roguelike out there that aint focused on defeating enemies? Space station 13 comes to mind, even if its not a roguelike but a multiplayer game, I'd really love to discover a unique game where youre not killing goblins. Am I just gonna have to settle for some roguelikes set in post-acopaliptic worlds or sci-fi if I want a change of pace from fantasy?

>>163693272
the majority of roguelikes can be played with just the keyboard. heck, the first roguelikes were designed for terminals that didn't even *have* mice

>>163693395
gotcha, thanks, I probably just forgot about playing stone soup using only keyboard

>>163693272
>Also, is there any roguelike out there that aint focused on defeating enemies?
DDA and Unreal World are the closest to that.
Survival centered almost-roguelikes, but too much like rogue to call them roguelites.

>>163693575
gonna check them out thanks

>>163693272

dorf fortress?

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Ohayo gozaimasu /rlg/, here's something great: amnesia can affect sokoban levels too! Because if there's one main way to get more people attracted to your nethack variant, it's by making amnesia effects more diverse (and more frequent of course).

>>163695593
yeah i played some df, might have to go back to playing it

So what exactly were the changes to Kobolds and Halflings in Crawl 0.19? Is there anywhere to see this?

>>163697730
Small races can wield bigger weapons now

>>163697730
Oh, so halflings just got slightly better at the weapons you're not going to use anyway. Bummer.

also LMFAO I had no idea they removed HEs

when will it stop

>>163696452
Amnesia is fun! Once I got amnesia IRL and I forgot what a terrible mess my life is!

What are other viable gods for 15 runes besides TSO and Zin for melee?

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Arrrrrrr matey what a fine lass we 'ave 'ere! Shiver me timbers!

>>163690242
How is Caves of Qud anyways? Is it worth the qud?

>>163698859
Makhleb

I've done Ru and Qazlal, but those two probably aren't very good ideas.

>>163699397
Okay, I'll go do him. I always fuck up the game right after a win, so I might as well try and streak with an easy MiFi^Makhleb but do 15 runes instead of 3,like I always do.

>>163699576
DD with Evo spam is how I got both my 15 Makhs, try that if you haven't before. It's fun.

As part of this Christmas, I shall try to ascend with our favorite stag, Actaeon!

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I figured out the way to play these early game is to ignore your summon dragon spell, and go capture ball a wyvern in the wilderness. They're about the only thing you can stay on at your starting skill.

And not breathing is helpful for conserving loot.

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does this have any special properties? or its just vanilla katana that is some obscure reference to some weaboo shit?

>>163698859
I've seen lots of Chei 15 runes.

>>163700729
i think you can forbid your dragon from using its breath in p options

>>163700742
If you wield it with the corresponding wakizashi (sold separately), your dual wielding skill is treated as though you had it at the maximum.

Neither one really does anything, though, so this isn't especially useful.

>>163698859
Personal experience:

Ashenzari if you want to branch into other skills. Generally I love starting as assassin of Ash, then become more stronger tabber mid-game and learn spells at end-game. ( VnAs of Ashenzari, 15-runer )

Qazlal is workable if you have high invocations, since Upheaval and Disaster Zone are stupidly powerful - synergize well with melee, so you can smite the ranged opponents ( ex. vault wardens ). However, the noise is really big problem, and you need to know how to deal with it. Abyss is a huge pain. ( HOMo of Beogh->Qazlal, 15 runer )

Makhleb is an obvious one, health-gain works and makes it less obnoxious to work through extended. Haven't 15-runed with Makhleb though.

Chei is still good, but you really need to be careful as hell with the movement. I got assguttered by brimstone fiends with my naga gladiator once. Slouch is a god-tier ability.

Ru is just amazing in general. ( MuMo of Ru, 15-runer )

Lugonu is workable, but I haven't personally done extended with her.

>>163701842
>Ru is just amazing in general.
This is interesting, I've won with fairly weak gods but I've never gotten past lair,orc,dungeon with Ru. It seems like he's the god of free cBlinks but I feel like the god slot can be used more constructively if that is the case.

Why do you think he's so strong ,especially since you did a 15-runer MuMo with him?

On a pure caster, is it worth switching out robes for a set of leather armour that grant +4 int? Would that bonus offset the spellcasting penalty?

>>163702063
Because Apocalypse is ridiculous.

>>163702206
Pure casters tend to wear slightly heavier armour than robes anyway(Unless you find Archmagi) so go ahead.

>>163702206
I don't think wearing leather armor makes any difference in fail rates than wearing robes.

Try wearing it.

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Raphael is in competition with the Norsa and Nodens for the most annoying PCB unique at the moment.

>>163703256
rofl, what an asshole monster

>>163697730
idk if this is .19 or .20 but kobolds got better at magic and halflings got worse at magic/better at tabbing

>>163702063
Generally, his abilities are great.
Jump as said is good from go, but there's also the passive defensive abilities. Attack redirection is really funny ( redirecting crystal spears or rocks ), and the status effects are generally helpful.

Draw Power is great as mummy, since it helps counter confusion and alike.
And apocalypse is just pants-on-retardedly powerful. It's basically Disaster Area, except some of damage swapped for status effects.

While you have to sacrifice things to gain piety, you do bunch of good deals.

http://pastebin.com/s0Rk8FmT (0.16 morgue for the mummy)

>>163703256
Angels-uniques are pieces of shit in general.

>>163703654
Oh, it was a fighter. Nevermind.
Still, I guess point stands about Ru being great.

>>163700864
or you can just ride a dragon that breathes non-destructive elements like poison

>>163700742
miyamoto musashi was the founter of niten ichi-ryu

you have him to thank for the overpowered weaboo katana fightan in cdda

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>>163703256
Thanks for sucking up 35 healing charges and 10 (ten) healing potions you

F U C K I N G
A S S H O L E

>>163703256
he doesn't resist stunning though so if you have a reliable way to apply it he's a chump

>>163703852
seriously get a _confusinglights or something. any unique or big demon or whatever that is vulnerable to status effects gets fucked by it so hard

although it got nerfed in recent versions so it isn't quite as powerful, and i haven't played with it recently because I had other ways to apply stun. so maybe it isn't reliable enough anymore

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veggies... ewwww

>>163704429
meat pizzas are great but veggie ones can be really nice here and there too

>find a steaming helm on the ground as formicid
>decide to id it for keks
>+5 slaying helmet
>as a formicid
fuck you floorgod

>>163705007
you are own fault

>>163704429
>>163704584
Spinach pizza, when well made, is great stuff, man.

>>163702719
>>163703172

Yeah? I thought that pure mages needed to wear robes? Isn't there a list on what armour you can wear if you want to cast spells of a certain level?

Also, Fire Storm or Glaciate, which is better?

>>163705235
only if you follow the advice of that retarded anon who never trains fighting/dodging/armor and tries to have 3 level 9 spells in vaults

>>163705235

if they have an encumbrance rating it will affect spellcasting ability at lower levels. this might not matter much if you're above the 20s. steam dragon armour is probably best for spell casting.

>>163705235
Generally you'll want to wear something that's not heavier than ring mail or dragon scale.

There's no fast and hard rule but you do want to some AC, so trust your own judgement on what you're comfortable with being able to cast at a certain %

Steam dragon is basically a better version of robes and doesn't encumber you much, that's basically what you want to wear as an early-game mage if you find it.

>>163705235
Armor worsens your failrates but not your spellpower, and the penalty gets smaller the higher your armor skill is. You wouldn't wear it in the super-early-game where failrates are high and xp is scarce, but you should get some sooner or later.

Firestorm is better if you already have xp in fire magic.
Glaciate is better if you already have xp in ice magic.

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Pls Tell me that I can fire these from hand.

>For the first time in nearly 2 years, acquirement and god gifts will now produce helmets

Huh. Now that I look back the only head slot gifts I've gotten were hats. Damn devsbruining the game in ways I don't even perceive.

>>163703172
It does, at least at early game str/int levels

I'm working on an open-world Roguelike in GMS. I'm using DS grids for the map and I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a way to save map pieces in a text file and import them into the game, basically the way that Cataclysm DDA does it.

I can write them out piece by piece in the DS grid, but I'd rather save them in a visual format and convert them in game.

>>163705664

Let's say I've equal XP in both.

when should i reforge artifacts? Pastebin says i should reforge 1m+ ones, but the strongest i got is half of that

>>163706895
Well the more valuable the artifact the better the reforge.

If you need better equipment right now (or you have way more $$$ than you need), you might as well reforge the most valuable artifact you have, but otherwise you might want to save your money for better/more expensive artifacts.

AHAHAHA

too bad i'm offline

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>>163705931
Yay it works, and it is powerful as hell. It needs support to fire though.

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>>163707834
forgot my pic

>>163706895
Well, it's generally late-game artifact reforging.
You could reforge earlier, especially if you are starved for:
> Good rings
> Good amulets
> Artifact light-source ( IIRC 1/5 chance of it being OF_DARKNESS, so ninjas want to do this early on so they can wield Sting and other items with light )

>>163707965

nice mut rolls bud

>>163707970
I thought it was only 1/10 chance to be of darkness

still very worth it for a ninja though

>>163708595
Ah, you are right. It is only 1/10. My recollection was 1/5.

Still, probably best to reforge bunch of cheap artifacts for it.

>>163707970
im actually a ninja, but i already wear the unlucky coin as my lamp.

the darkness on it doesnt negate the light on weapons tho.

>>163709574
Weird, it should. I gotta check it later on when I get back to my working-station ( next year )

>>163709574
does it actually have darkness or just the "black aura"?

>>163710167
>>163710259
nevermind, im dumb
it still works. but i think my lucky aura negates the unluckiness of the coin and im still lucky (i still get the lucky level feelings and selfknowledge says im lucky)

>>163710461
Well, shit. I guess I fucked somewhere along the line.
I will probably try to fix it, but I would have to get the visual studio on this computer.

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>>163687301
christmas is fun

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guy #1 ded

killing guy #2 is still a long way off though i think

>>163707939
you can also find a CBM that entirely replaces your hand with a laser cannon if you ever want to go full megaman

>>163712637
>preist

Pa rum pum pum pum~
Peench the holiday tum~

Is there any reason to pick a DCSS magic user background that isn't Wizard? It seems the only major difference is the starting spellbook, and Wizard gets easily the best one. Every spell is awesome:
>Magic Dart - most flexible early game ranged attack
>Blink - essential escape spell
>Call Imp - clutter the map to make space
>Repel Missiles - centaur insurance
>Slow - kite almost anything, survive fast creatures
>Conjure Flame - corridor blocking
>Mephitic Cloud - crowd control + stabbing setup

Only real weakness is the low damage output, but with so many attack spells in the game you're sure to find a good one before long.

Shoals, Spider, Depths, or Vaults?
Also I don't know how to really play a VS, should I stick with my 22AC/EV or use a +10 plate armor with rF-, rElec, rPois and sInv? It leaves me with 40AC/14EV

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>>163714472
every time

>>163714472
are you retarded

>>163713553
the wizard book has a lot of good spells that will be useful for a long time, but it doesn't have anything that can just carry you through lair like the other books

unlike other magic backgrounds, you actually need to find some better offense

>>163714617
scratch that i peeked at depths and fell into a rape-spiral

>>163714884
>diving depths before lair branches
nice

>>163714617
>>163714884

>Rnd*Tele

yeah I wonder why

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ok game i forgive all the other times i yelled at you for giving me shitty ego weapons from ?acq

Does Binding of Isaac general not fucking exist anymore? There's shit like Bioshock ir katawa shojo, but not a dedicated thread for that?

>>163717178
thread died when all the /vg/posters 100%ed it and got bored

>>163717178
You could probably start it up again now that that big mod is out.

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Anyone know which energy weapons are most efficient?

Seems like the electrobow would be wasty-as-fuck, but there's no clear indication.

And when it comes to that matter, what do you guys use as your penetration weapons?
Trying to choose between the Ebow & desert rifle. Shotgun seems almost useless with the amount of spread/aggro it can cause.

>>163715057

You can never get good if you always get scared

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>35 AC dragonform
feels bretty gud

a +7 Executioner's Axe isn't worth it if it has a distortion brand, right?

...also, how do i not get fucked when unequipping this?

>>163720098

just rebrand it if you don't like the brand

>>163718553
The optimal way to play is play crawl is to be a pussy bitch in every encounter. I'm not meming

>>163716886
holy shit!!!

>>163713553
Conjurer is fucking insane, who cares about those spells when you have enough power that you're 1-2 shotting everything with battlesphere and magic dart by d:3?

>>163720617

You only need rF1 and rC1 to clear every single non-wall tile in Depths. Everything else is just dependent on your skill to pull away (especially from those that can paralyze/confuse) and your non-shit damage. If you don't have the good weapon loot, Trog/Okawaru can still carry you because they're that ridiculous.

>>163721056
No way you're getting battlesphere by d:3, even as DE. Maybe backgrounds modified aptitudes previously and it was possible then.

>>163721716

Then D:4. Like that's a big deal when you can 1-3 shot everything, even 8-headed hydras. Wizard starts will always be one of the most inferior magic starts with only +3 int advantage as compensation.

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I just nabbed a blessed impundulu in Anzu's Sanctum thanks to it being spawned from a corpse. I wonder if it will stay spawning from those in the future as it is pretty powerful so early on. Keep in mind they otherwise spawn on what are currently the final four floors of the game.

>>163720098
>>163720190
Well, I got lucky and only got some damage+confusion from unequipping, which was literally nothing on the relatively clear floor I was on.

Even better news was that Trog had already gifted me another Exe. axe (+3, anti-magic) *and* I had a strong battle axe of flaming, which has made extremely short work of the two hydrae I've used it against.

RNJesus might be on my side!

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Played Giant today. Turns out that they are very stronk; stronk enough to kill an ancient enemy that the Fae lost a great deal of soldiers to merely seal away, and oneshot the immortal guardian who dedicated their life to guarding its prison. I'm very suspicious of that Fae who blamed Elfenwael (the day that the Fae lost a war with the Giants, thousands of years ago) on a secret bargain with the underworld. Considering that the four "empowered" giants who supposedly benefited from that bargain were easily killed by a nondescript 19 year old Giant Thief. I think the Fae are just pathetic; especially since I've played more than a few of them myself.

>>163716886
Holy fuck.

>>163718027
Why would you be a normie when you could oneshot most things with your psychic powers?

Do you prefer 2-handed or 1-handed as an axe user if you plan on going extended?

Alot of the 15-rune wins I've seen have been large shield + broad axe guys.

>>163723935

waste of exp

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>tfw you can ascend mummy's easily but can't do minotaurs for shit
I literally never,ever get abyssed early on except on Minotaurs. I feel like the game is punishing me for playing MiFi, there goes my chance of streaking.

>>163716886
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.

>>163682538
It's great as fug. Minimum prot dice are important and it lacks the attack penalty of normal mail. Con makes a huge difference in the game. Grace boosts your voice cap and your will/per which help with device effectiveness and not getting btfo by traps. Double fear resistance or fear and high will is vital to not getting fucked up if you get trapped without exchange places

>>163687301
>-3, 4d6 great axe of Hador's house 9.5lb
Well I guess....

>>163688061
Wins are kind of shit. It's not hard to win and that you have trouble win it causes a bitter well of fucking course I won, I managed to not do something retarded for 10 hours.

>>163725778
Hey, that's a struggle for some people

what was the key combination to list all items on a floor in poschengband?

>>163726236
either [ or ]
one is monsters, other items

>>163726236
shift+Q

>>163699382
It's not. It's by and large still the same game with many of the problems it still had before he abandoned it to go make sproggiwood.

>>163713247
Which you can craft into a weapon without causing you to lose a hand

>>163713553
Not getting one by lair makes it a really slow and obnoxious game. Cj functions fine and isn't as painfully slow.

>>163688061

I can always masturbate so ascending roguelikes is better.

How can I make DCSS a challange but shorter? I mean, taking 3 runes and going out takes some hours.

I learned about crate crawl (taking 1 rune and leaving), but maybe it is a bit too short, any other tips?

>>163727179
play dungeon sprint

>>163727179

By becoming a dev and continuously cutting both content and floors

>>163727179
DUPZ run

You do dungeons -> Depths -> Pan -> Zot

Without any other branches

>>163727550
>shorter
>pan
um

>>163727550
Shiiiet, looks very hard, maybe impossible with some combos, I will try it.

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Make sure to check that your disarming skill isn't total garbage before trying to disarm a chest.

Good isn't actually that good, it turns out.

>>163728084
mine is legendary[5] and i still trigger traps. i think it doesnt work with chests

>>163728206
you have to 'D'isarm the chest instead of just opening it, anon

>>163728084
good thing they're not strong enough to trigger a fear effect or you could lose a turn or more to "terrified"

>>163684669
sil christmas comp is up and runs until Jan 7th

Savefile starts with a christmas gift to open.

http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=199

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HuMO
worship at ? altar
Surprise, it's Xom!

get on with it
>Snake:4
>1v1 Naga Warrior just won't die
>Guardian serpent wanders over with ?
>Naga Warrior should die soon
>Guardian serpent casts teleport ally!
>Constricted and surrounded on all sides by Naga
>and Agnes
>nooo I don't want to die!
>Xom chaos brands Agnes' latajang
>(thanks Xom)
>I tabtabtab to accept my fate
>actually was berserked
>and poly bad form into a Hydra
>also everything around me just died
>fucking xom

>>163729007
should have edited it to say mutagenic gas

>>163729007
based xom

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Alright.
That's it.
That
is
it.

I am SO done with Vaults for now. Fuck Floor 5 with a bamboo pole.

You would think, between the goddamn Dagwood sandwich stack that is my spell list of charms AND Statue Form AND Heroism, I would have some fucking ability to take on Vault: 5 with the requisite stair-dancing. It's a dog-pile on V:5. I know. I get it. I've splatted there before, multiple times. But Shroud, Statue Form, Heroism, Song of Slaying, Regeneration, Confusing Touch and Repel Missiles should do SOMEthing to make dragging off 8 of the fucks at a time more bearable, right?

No, of fucking course not, that's fucking stupid and I'm an idiot for thinking it. The last two forays nearly killed me. The last one, a phantasmal warrior got me down to 1 HP. It is only through the almighty mercy of the RNGod-Above-All that I was able to get off the tele scroll and chug ambrosia to stay alive long enough to tele out, then read ANOTHER tele scroll after getting hit with a sentinel's mark.

That, that is an absolute goddamn load.

I am getting the hell out of this iron-sided deathtrap before my luck runs out. This is unequivocally the best Transmuter I've ever had, and he's not dying like this. Not today.

You fuckers told me getting Statue Form to castable levels would make the mid- and late-games a cakewalk. You assholes.

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Literally zero MR items currently, this bull is probably also going to get abyssed. Maybe this is crawl telling me to stop because it's 4:40am

>>163729307
v:5 secret tech: read a tp scroll on v:4 then go downstairs

>>163728650
the actual comp ladder opens 5 hours from now (there's still a little time left on the Eddieband comp), but the savefile is up

>>163729007
Yes, there was a problem ijn your story. But it wasn't Xom. If you don't have the UC to reliably break AC you need to fuck off. Especially against blink others encricle. There's lots of otherp laces to pick up xp to cope with your shit apts and lack of transmutations.

>>163729307
Use tele and go down the stair or quaff resistance, read immo and explode

It does, the guy who said so didn't account for stupid people.

>>163729307

You're just bad. Even if you have everything, your no skill self will always find a way to nullify all your good loots or spells.

>>163729307
Anon, statue form does make everything a cake walk, but V:5 is a floor where you can't really mindlessly tab but is pretty easy once you know what you're doing.

This tavern thread about vaults was super helpful
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22152

The general strat for me is read magic mapping as my first action, look for quadrants where I can easily fight and rest in.

Then I stairdance the guards till a sizable number die or a warden comes into view, which is when I use scroll of blinking/walk to a nice quadrant with good terrain.

>>163729443
you can do snake without MR
>nothing quivered

go get some tomahawks / javalins or just rocks and carefully pull each naga/snake one at a time slowly.

The only thing you're really afraid of is getting teled into a naga pack, etc. and that will only happen if you aren't pulling on the edge of LoS and around a corner

Even if you don't have rPois you'll be fine if you isolate for 1v1 and fight far enough away the noise won't draw more

When you clear snake:3, stop and review your gains

>>163729617
Immolation is possibly the worst thing you can do in vaults, since it only gets rid of the non-threatening vault guards.

The real danger has been the vault wardens and other stair deniers so the best strategies involve either smiting these stair deniers and stairdancing or fighting in good terrain where you don't need to rely on stairs.

holy FUCK are confusing lights op as fuck.

just daze everything you need dead and stab it to death. and to think wild talents can get them on start

>>163730441
i told you this shit was strong anon

chaos-warriors get it as a class power at 40
Wild-talents can get confusing lights "like a chaos warrior" at level 45. but they're not gonna have it from the start

of course you don't need confusing lights if you can stun shit in other ways, like the mauler's earthquake attack or the clubmaster's everything

>>163730868
Wait wait wait hold the phone. Are you telling me a club master can beat things retarded?

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NO TOWER:20 GHOST FOR YOU FAGGOTS YET!

I figure that not buffing my party made the second mirror chime use so much more deadly. At least Actaeon didn't die at all during this run, like I said I will do.

>>163730963
clubmaster starts out inflicting confusion with 1/5th of all blows, then eventually upgrades to confusion + sleep and at 45 confusion + sleep + stun
they get a power much earlier that also attacks to stun but it cuts their blows in half

they can also throw clubs at monsters' heads and confuse/sleep/stun them that way

for my christmas present, I want /rlg/ to tell me what to ask for on a formicid fighter of chei. I got 2 scrolls of acquirement but i'm too mibrained to guess what to get

>>163731213

always acquire jewelry

>>163731213
Foodx2

>>163731282
thanks anon, got one shitring and one winring
>>163731549
will consider this if I get more

>>163731213
balways bacquire barmor

>>163730441
and this is after they were nerfed

they're so useful, definitely a key part of the lategame transition and still useful against some of the super deep uniques

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i just got thing, i assume its not very useful, considering it takes away ALL my AC, or is it worth using?

>>163731718
Consider the following. - ~200+ damage per element for everything and increased resistance to crippling disables
Or like -80 damage per melee

>>163731860
im a ninja, so my ac is shit anyway, i'll try it

lets hope i wont rip my first 50 lvl ever

>>163731912
It's pcb. You'll rip anyway

>>163731718
>a Robe of the Fault

enjoy running from anything above level 65.

>>163722817
Trust me, I'm still playing as a special fuckin snowflake.
Just not that kind.

>>163731718
only consider wearing if you are a shooter or spellcaster character who can feasibly kill shit without being in melee range

and even then having literally0ac creates a big possibility for fault, especially if you randblink into melee range of something or, even worse, something can cast beckon

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what ever happened to roguelite general?

where am I supposed to get mad that antibirth took my ideas?

>>163733280
there wasnt enough autism or tummies to keep it from dying naturally

>>163733321
peench!

>>163733321
>tummies
So you're saying if roguelite general ended up resembling something like the Undertale or FNAF generals, it'd still be around?

Just splatted a level 50 hound to Nodens psycho-spearing/summoning the Unicorn of Order in one turn. Is it a sign of maturity that I'm not even mad? Or a sign that I can no longer feel feelings?

Hounds get awful endgame damage, by the way. Don't play them.

>>163733280
Go to reddit or a forum if the game has one. That's where the slow shit goes

>>163733490
Second.

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2 runes, still 0 MR. Don't really care about getting abyssed, since I can probably survive it at this point, but paralyze is a major concern.

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>>163733490
>nodens

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>>163733490
It's a sign of faulting too many times.

I know it well.

>>163733679
>Winning a roguelike.png
Feels bad man...

>>163733818
pyrhhic victory

after all that effort, you finally won. but was it worth it?

>>163734220
I get to gloat about it, so yeah, man.

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who the fuck is this Locke guy anyways

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I fucking knew it would happen. Amazing luck with acquirements,artifacts and resists can't save you from never getting a single MR ring and getting banished.

Am I strong enough to kill everything anyway? Might try to get the abyss rune even though I've never done it as my 3rd one.

>>163734940
some anime faggotry

I just deleted Caves of Qud from my computer. I just don't know how that game can amuse me any more, as there are likely better alternatives for many of its elements.

>>163736245
nigger you're XL22, nothing in there can touch you
don't go deeper, just wait until you find the rune, grab it and scram

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Was about to get raped in the Abyss, but I killed enough shit to get a gateway leading out.

Let's hope there's some MR in the elf loot or I'm going to kill a man.

>clearing Arcadia of corpses
>have already encountered four relic wraiths by this point of the game

any tips on killing tiamat? is genocide the only option or staff of destruction should help?

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Got 3 runes, I want to attempt my first 15-rune win. Are there any general tips on what to do on one?

>>163738810
anti-summon corridor, get rid of his dragons by killing them one by one/genocide/annihilation/teleport other, then beat him

>>163739097
>anti-summon corridor

what exactly is that? I am new to late poscheng.

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>>163738810
staff of destruction can also destruct Tiamat herself, focing you to start the fight all over again.

staff of genocide is really nice as a re-usable source, and she doesn't resist stunning so confusing lights is also good

>>163739134
looks like this. You stand at the far end with the big D next to you. When she summons shit instead of being surrounded by 8 dragons you end up with Tiamat next to you, 1 dragon behind her able to clip you with breaths sometimes, and the rest safely out of sight

well, until she gets herself a spectral wyrm, ethereal dragon, or great wyrm of spacetime

>>163739289
nice, thanks! i'll try that with summoners now.

What exactly does "base HP" mean in PCB? How does it relate to life rating?

i was full hp 1 turn ago

wtf

So, has ANYONE actually gotten a Well Fed Artemis in Demon before?

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>>163739871

>full hp (1036 with 107% liferating and max con)
>Morgoth and a Black Reaver in LOS
>one turn passes
>Morgoth double-turns me, summons uniques and manastorms
>black reaver manastorms too for the dunk

i wish xorns could wear antimagic so i could wear it and not get -10speed from brain smash

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I've been wandering around this shithole for the past 10 years, what does the rune vault even look like

>>163740132
you just got poscheng'd

>>163740472
was wearing the One Ring too :/

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what about this robe? Think it can work on a ninja?

>>163740054
Aren't those links exclusive? Maybe you could with one of those offerings and distrust fixers if the rng loves you.

>>163740132
Just poz cum my butt m8. ;_;7

>>163740902
One-shot more, get one-shotted more
So yeah.

>>163741029
It is theoretically possible to get a gold offering early enough, but those are one of the rarest items in the game. I'm sure both of them can be recruited so long as you complete Actaeon's link.

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fug, thought I had a scroll of blinking.
WAKE ME UP

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look at what i just found guys! those stats are so good, c̰̪̯̩̣an̢̗͔͔t̵͕̪͉̺ ̼̜̻͍w̖̗͖̱ͅͅà̳̲͈͉i̸̼͔t͟ ̜̯̹t̮̮͖͓̼̺o̭͇͈̯ͅ ̢̝̣̮̥̟̪w̘̫͓e̳͖̼̜̱a̤̮̝̩̻̗͍r̤͉̮͖̕ͅ ͝t͇̩͙h̗̭̪̜i͚̤͔͈̭̩͇͡s̸̻̰͉̟̟͈̦!

>>163741371
do it

>>163741371
The perfect excuse to wear aggravation stuff!

>>163740440

Playing in webtiles is so slow, I'll already catch up to your minotaur in just 1 hour lmao

>>163740440
1 INT
LMAO 1 INT

>>163731013
How'd those 'block' defensive passives work out

I generally stick with Souleater+Oppressor+Not Being in Melee as Orb...

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>>163740440

So are you done yet?

>>163733652
Which knowledge database is this?

>>163740902
It's good. You can't enchant away AC malus, but at least you can get AC from other gear to make up.

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>>163744718

man what a waste, I nearly improved my usual 4 hour clears

>dcss
>look at changelog
>Deep dwarves have an innate ability that heals them and has a chance of permanently reducing their MP. Their old recharge ability has been removed
>Removed wands of heal wounds, haste, and teleportation.

Glad I quit this game. What a piece of shit.

>>163747409
Same, I lose the urge to play dcss anymore when I realize I can't heal in lichform.

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How's winter treating you all?

>>163748345
How many years has your autism cabin lasted?

>>163748345
is that a koala scalp on his head

>>163748408
this is the middle of my first winter. i have my hopes up that i won't freeze to death when it gets colder

>>163748345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua1FAlHt_Ys

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In Halls of Mist, it's three wounds and you're dead, correct?

>>163749054
If you double up on any one type of wound you kick the bucket. Your luck could run out quick with RNG choosing Vigour then Vigour, or you could get something like Wit Grace Vigour then dead on Wit again.

>>163747409
Isn't it time they ADDED something in return? I mean, it's Christmas...

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>>163748345
more grindan in elona
just set up my second farm to grind for more herbs
also 3 more carpentry skill points away from being able to craft lightsabers

What happens if your max HP gets lower than Death's Door's minimum HP? Does Death Door simply fail or do you get the immortality buff without any hp loss? Or is it always percentage HP left? (so if you have 10HP you get only 1 left)

>>163749678
Man.
I stopped playing after killing Zeome.
I should probably pick it back up, but just thinking about clearing out all the ranches and farms after the timeskip makes my head hurt.

>>163749678
what the H*CK is that picture
what have you done to yahoo

Help me make a super jew in DCSS
>Deep Dwarf
>Gozag
>background:???

>>163749650

They will add a Frog race with shit stats

>>163750637
Artificer

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>>163749847
act3 is constantly getting updated and im here trying to powerlevel just so i can fuck up act2's boss and catch up with the updates
most of /jp/ is way ahead in elona

if you cant deal 7k+ damage in one turn, you will not beat her because like zeome she will heal herself at 10% health, but unlike zeome she has a stupid high healing skill thanks to her race modifier and she will instantly be back up to 100% after 1 turn

her first phase is also bullshit
she summons lvl 130+ monsters at random much like zeome

Does the new Heal Wound of DDs scale with level in terms of power/failure chance?
Or does it depend on Evo/Invo?
Also, how much can it heal at max when XL27 and max skills?

>>163750973

You're already having a hard time against that Meshera freexp? Guess you'll scratch your head a lot in Act 3 since the difficulty leap is nothing like Act 1 to Act 2.

>>163751565
It's just a matter of obtaining bigger numbers, which is just time.

>>163751634

That's true but an even bigger issue is how and what skills you powerlevel

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>>163750973

>>163750637
>Mummy Gladiator of Gozag
>Buy shit
>Buy rods
>Pan forever
>Forever
>Ahegao from all the dosh and never leave pandemonium
>Learn to do zig and zigspam right through megazigs

>>163752674
>mummy gladiator
>lol rot
>no wand of heal wounds

>>163753858
Well it's that or spriggan. And fuck spriggans

>>163749847
Just do what I did, move on to act 2 and do stuff there! After all, the main reason why you beat Zeome is because you want to see what act 2 is like!

>>163739517
Base hp is flat +hp you get starting the game.

According to the help, anyway.

>>163754123
mmm i'd love to
soft plant tums and delicious yam-like buttocks
sign me up

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Korsair quest komplete! The Amy kan kontinue 'er adventure in the Dungeons o' Doom an' face more pirates with blunderbusses and kutlasses!

>>163758205
please be responsible: only kut consenting and adult lasses

Haven't played DCSS in a while. Are amulets of Harm worth it as an Octopode or is it a death trap?

>>163758515
Harm is legit worser than no amulet.

>>163758515
Not really because you have pretty poor defenses to begin with. You won't see much help from 20% increased damage taken ( hellfire, torment, etc. become much more difficult to deal with )

>>163758459
>konsenting
fixed that for you

How come Okawaru -> TSO switch is so popular when you can just go Makhleb forever and not have any god wrath?

If you're low on health and have 0 blinking scrolls then the wrath is almost a death sentence especially since you tend to clear out crypt with TSO, which has torment mobs that typically put you on low HP.

>>163759110
makhleb doesn't gift you +0 animal skins

>>163759110

Because Makhleb is shit. With Okawaru, you get full exp, good buffs that asks for bare minimum of Invo investment (which could be transitioned to TSO later on) and equipment while Makhleb's only useful invo skills tend to take away some exp and asks for way more invo investment than Okawaru. He doesn't give gifts either, what a cheap moron

>0 blinking scrolls

lol

>>163758515
Harm is +30% damage dealt, +20% damage taken(after defenses like AC)

Very situational, probably terrible for an octopode

>nanopneumatic jackhammer doesn't work on fulcrete
What fucking good is it then?
Into the equipment pile it goes.

>>163760769
it's a pretty good melee weapon

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>>163750973
>anime girl heads on dinosaurs

>>163763137
Maybe to start out with. but it's a two-hander that weighs 16 pounds, requires fuel cells, and prevents the use of back items for all of 7p 1d8. That's only just a hair better than a sharp bronze 2-hander, and much costlier.

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Holy shit these new Ogres when used for pure mage builds are downright cheating. THICC HP+SoB+Regen are nuts

>>163707939
I want isometric ascii dda

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>tfw no tuscan sandstone engraved roguelike with beetle shell black pressing

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Still winning...

>>163733652
doesn't resist stunning though, the chump

before getting assguttered by Morgoth my xorn bashed Nodens' head in real good

>>163745785
i think this comes from the #sil channel on freenode, which for some reason also has general *band content

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This must be the most obnoxious effect ever.

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>a roguelike where you have to dynamically change the font of the level to reveal secret passages and polymorph monsters by switching to fonts that do not contain their character
The levels are not uniform and will cram everything into the first line it can depending on the font.

>>163769713
but roguelike fonts are monospace?

>>163769439
is that being serious

>>163769838
Not all of them are. And that's not a rule.

>physical world is represented in standard monospace font
>hell realm is represented by several nonstandard fonts at once
>you can shift between realms on command

>>163769958
yes there is a magic genie inside the slashem code that can tell whether you've ascended ADOM

Has anyone played summoner in crawl by just getting lightning spire and playing melee?

>>163770798
most summoners in crawl use melee anon

I know I am late to the party but good god NetHack 3.6.0 is horrible.

>>163772162
Tell that to Femmy, she'll be delighted.

>felids are not allowed to worship chink gods
Lol.

>>163773215
sup zxpr0jk

>>163773419
hi

>>163773215
Who is chinkgod?

>>163773789
The Tien Council.

It's some crouching tiger hidden dragon thing. As you fight they spawn floating weapons around you. Walking into one swaps your wielded weapon with the floating one.

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What are my best options, boys? Between staff teleporting, spell teleporting, scroll teleporting, wand teleport othering, or something else?

>>163773867
Unstable/Experimental branch and not trunk, right?

>>163775552
The war council god branch.

>>163775401
Whichever of the three teleports has the lowest fail%, which depends on your device skill and casting ability. The chance to fail from fear is the same for all AFAIK.

...why were you fighting those enemies out in the open instead of just hanging out in a corridor?

also what the fuck why are you a spellcaster with shitloads of useless dex and no str/con

strength is important to actually carry all your shit without being slowed by burden, and con is the stat that makes you not die

all dex does for you is a bit of AC and i guess less chance to be successfully pickpocketed?

>watching termcast mauler
>Splatter mode operational
>Orc Camp Quest: splatted.
Man even just watching it I feel a glimmer of that joy from my first mauler character rekindled.

>>163776136
to be clear, it is the orcs that went splat, not the @

>>163776136
>>163776382

What game are we talking about?

>>163776492
Poscheng of course

MAULER STRONG
SMASH ORC SO HARD ORC EXPLODE
EXPLODING ORC GIBLETS KILL ORC FRIENDS

>>163775848
Got +5 dex from Robin Hood+a shield of elvenkind. Con is also worthless until you reach 18/10 or more, so it's an all or nothing stat. At this rate, I'd probably be getting MAYBE 5 HP per point until I hit 18+.

>>163776634
Yeah but you somehow managed to leave character creation with 17 dex and 9 strength

>>163776492
poschengband
Maulers are a melee class that specializes in getting a very small number of very high damage blows with the heaviest weapons in the game.

Early on, they get access to a "Splatter" stance, which causes enemies that they kill to explode into a grenade of damaging gore, which in turn can kill enemies into more explosions, chaining entire groups. It feels so awesome.

>scroll of acquirement for sale for 304000 gold
How much will I regret this?

>>163776847
probably a lot

>>163776847
you will have MAXIMUM REGRET

in pcb ?acq results scale with dungeon depth, so if you can't at a minimum dip into Mine or Dragon's Lair it's a complete waste

and even on Angband:99 you're much more likely to get your 200th sword of gondolin than you are to get >>163716886

>>163776847
Scrolls of acquirement are an elaborate snake oil racket.

If it's truly a scroll of acquirement, why doesn't the owner of the scroll just acquire 304k gold? Why not acquire more?

>>163776847
>30k
Wtf? Is it from the gozag shop?

How does level difficulty work in DCSS? If you find say a Gold Dragon Armor on D1 will the game spawn difficult mobs earlier than normal to 'make up' for it?

>>163777091
>anon still hasn't developed his roguelike sense enough to identify specific games from vague nonspecific posts

>>163777151
No.

>>163777151
the only game I can think of that does that is IVAN

difficulty in DCSS is just based on the dungeon level. a level 27 character and a level 1 character will see all the same shit on D:1

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>>163777017
It was something someone might consider using, at least.

>so if you can't at a minimum dip into Mine or Dragon's Lair it's a complete waste
What I like to do after the dungeon guardian change is have levitation and teleport other and not awful hp, then walk back and forth over the border between two deep water map tiles until you stumble on something interesting (always a random dungeon in deep water). Nothing but the fasti-whatevers resists teleport.

>>163777570
fastilocoshits are fucking the worst, fuck
and since they're usually on the surface you can't even use destruction

>>163777570
anon
why are you hallucinating

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>>163776704
Sorta inexplicable to me. Maybe evolving into a master lich decreases racial strength by 3? I started out with 12 base.

What's the general consenus on dungeons of dredmor here? I know it's not on the same level as DC:SS or NetHack but it's still somewhat a roguelike no?
I imagine there won't be much discussion for it but is it acceptable or no?

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>>163778360
yup

>>163778518
it's definitely a roguelike, even though some aspects of it are really annoying (like mouse-first design, or clumsy management of the stash as compared with a text roguelike, etc). Still definitely a roguelike.

>>163778518
It's a roguelike but people generally don't talk about it here. It's just not an interesting game.

>>163778732
>>163778860
I see. I'm not planning on posting much about it. It has a wiki. Probably just for advice now and then. I picked it up and it's pretty neat. Nowhere near as standard as say DC:SS but still decent