/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>163953965
first for roguelite op pic

>>163953965
So we're in the ironic shitposting op phase of the general, I see.

Always follows unrelated anime shit op.

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Second for digging implements.

>>163954101
the general is always in a shitposting phase anon

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Only 2 floors until I complete my very first 15 rune game.

Tomb was intimidating was as fuck when I entered it before doing Pan and Hells, but now it's nothing that I can't deal with.

>>163954453

this character's going to splat so hard.

>Purple Draconian
>Wizard, but only because I want all that INT and free utility spells while I punch things
>Dragon Form book in lair:6
>MR ring, purple draconian MR, and clarity mutation makes places like shoals and Elf easy easy
>UC, Fighting, and Transmute makes dragonform ready after Vault:1
>with 1 rank robust mutation have like 380 hp in dragonform
>Clear vault:5
>want a spell to cast in dragon form to deal ranged damage, choose airstrike
>feel strong as hell, but food cost and resting a lot is annoying
>ditch okawaru who literally can't gift me anything useful for kiku, vague ideas of free food and necromutation
>Realize I have big regeneration in Dragon Form, get regenerate and it all stacks for 2-3 health recovery per turn
>look at more necro utility spells Cigotuvi's Embrace, Dispel Undead, and sublimination of blood
>keep pumping necromancy and some air magic
>just a cycle of never-resting purple lichdragon maintaining Dragon Form and Regeneration with huge HP and turning tiny fractions of health into massive magic recovery and air strike/dispelling foes until they get close enough to maul!!!! in melee range, utilizing the bodies of the dead for stacking larger and larger AC and SH bonuses
>AA spamming Kiku for even more bodies for even more AC and SH
>enter pandemonium after the 5 easy runes
>I only know what to do here in theory
>Get demonic rune like right away without trying
>just over 500 hp in dragon form (hp +20% mut)
>Eventually, Cerebrov, Lom Lobon, and Mnoleg all dead. feeling super good
>new randart rings/amulet after a while
>somewhere, somehow I've got everything on the entire level running after me
>Getting blasted by draining and lost massive amount of health in a single turn
>drained so much I can't even cast my spells reliably- in my randart greed I stopped wearing my rN++
>Panic blink scroll, tele, go further down
>executioner's absolutely everywhere, oh god no no no
>Gloorx Vloq
>murdered by a thousand hasted executioners

rip my best

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I really need to read the help files more.

>>163953836
Thanks. That was driving me crazy.

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Clearing out Tomb is going to give me an ulcer, too much stress senpai.

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I can already smell victory

>>163953965
Look, everyone.
He memed.
Oh what a funny meme.
Simply epic.
.

>not liking memes

>>163954101
>>163957879
>>163958352
/rlg/ hates fun

that's why we play roguelikes in the first place

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>>163937050

Monthly reminder that the upcoming blockbuster roguelike Incursion already thought of this and have size mods, example being my summoned elephant here which I think is modded to the D&D size colossal:

>>163958853
>elephant
>6 tiles wide

that's clearly an oliphant

possibly a dire oliphant

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What should I do with these books?

Seem like good vendor fodder, though they clutter up the inventory...

Speed weapons are better the more slaying you have, right? Will a +5 longbow of speed outdamage a +10 longbow of freezing if I have +5 slaying?

>>163959506
Speed is one of the strongest brands in the game, only beat out by Holy Wrath which is much more situational of course.

Use the longbow of speed.

Is cataclysm DDA better with wander spawns on or off

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>>163959116
He is just the result of some very good breeding and some magical motivation - it is however quite cute that D&D has a simplified interpretation of monster size so that you dont have the entire strict 1 tile = 1 rat = 1 ancient elder wyrm progression

>>163960036
On.

>>163959660
So the 5 difference in enchantment doesn't matter that much?

>>163956059
>drained so much I can't even cast my spells reliably- in my randart greed I stopped wearing my rN++

Drink potion of brilliance and wear ring of wizardry to counter that drain.

>>163960491
it matters a little bit, but enchantment isn't as big of a deal as most players think

the base damage of a weapon is multiplied by bonuses from stats and skills while the enchantment isn't, so enchantment is a smaller proportion of your damage than most people think

>>163956059
>>somewhere, somehow I've got everything on the entire level running after me

Literally the one important sentence in your entire post, and it tells us nothing.

Fault.

FAULT!

>vampire enchanter of dith
>pick up a +1 short sword of speed off a kobold on D5

Could a short sword of speed be a good weapon? Base damage seems poor but it would be pretty fast at min delay, right?

>>163962559
>barely keep a general alive
>implying there's enough interest to sustain
A fucking discord.
An entire board.
Multiple irc's.

Fucking kill yourselves.

>>163962559

advertising the other chan will get you a ban on 4chan

>>163962653
lmao i looked at the roguelike board there
>0 active users
>last post nov. 16th
that place has 0 userbase, i thought its only point was posting pedo/gamergate shit

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>tfw weeping wine mushroom 3 blocks away from joppa

Offhand, there's more than 50000 drams up there, and more every time I go back.
Each waterskin sells for 109$.

>>163961271
Yeah, min delay with the speed brand would make its delay 0.3 in some cases, which is fast as fuck.

>>163961271
its ok but not amazing unless you have something that synergizes strongly with high attackspeed such as a big pile of +slaying or the Vine Stalker's bite

attacking 3 times instead of 2 is great but if you have shortsword damage against an enemy with ok AC you will just be doing 3x 0 damage

>>163956497
hey at least you didn't fail the alchemy test

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First ever 15-rune win, fuck me that was a wild ride.

Most intense run I've ever had, It was so much more fun(and stressful) than a 3-runer.

>>163964034
congrats! It was fun following your adventures

>>163964034
grats wyrmbane anon

how to get the most gold per item efficiency in poscheng? My top shopkeepers limit up to 30000 and i want more

>>163964496
black marketeer human/demigods and burglary rogues can sell to black markets at fair prices, and those have high caps

ideally you pick up the Alchemy mutation (or spell if you're the right kind of caster I guess) so you can melt items down for gold right in the dungeon

>>163964496
also if you're building it yourself you could just change the shop caps

>>163964496
you can't get more

there's an alchemy spell in the sorcery books but even THAT caps at 30k gold

>>163964741
Alchemy gives less gold than selling things, I think.

Or at least the item activation form does.

>>163964973
well currently it's stored as a signed 16bit integer so it can't go above 32000ish

you'd have to change that

>>163965586
yeah but it's definitely the most quality of life way to gain gold overall, which is why I mentioned it

Can someone help me with my Elona gamepad problem from the previous thread? I can't use any of the diagonal options of movement on my 360 controller. Is there a way to fix this?

My laptop lacks a numpad and this seems like a way easier option.

Let It Die is my favorite roguelike.

>>163965601
Actually IIRC, the cap is stored invidually as a s16b int, but shops/money operate on s32b.
It's possible to make a get-function for cap and add desired amount ( ex. I altered merchant's friend mut to give 10k extra for all shops, plus halve the shuffle/hold service prices ).

>>163967982
what software are you using for the 360 controller? it sounds like the fuckup is with that if you can't enter diagonals at all...

>>163968483
Technically it's a 3rd party plug and play and I'm using the standard Elona settings. Is there a better way to do things? The diagonals work in every other game. I just need diagonals for movement and that quick menu. Really makes the game flow nicely

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The 3rd time I've ever reached max level... yay

>>163968609
You need some rF.

>>163968807
Agreed, only source I have so far is one generic ring of rF

I've died to a hydra 3 times today.

>>163968608
as i said: fuck around with the software or the driver settings or whatever for your controller

>>163969746

me too thanks

>>163969746
>The 11-headed hydra breathes plasma.
>You are heavily stunned.
>The 11-headed hydra breathes plasma.
>You have been knocked out!

>>163968807
Is piercing a good brand or should I try rebranding?

>>163971454
+9 on a demon trident with riposte makes pierce nice.

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>the sleeping ogre is unable to defend itself.
>you dice the ogre like an onion!!!

>>163970453
Tried it. Turns out it uses the default XBOX 360 drivers. Any recommended 3rd party software to use for Elona?

*uses wand of heal wounds on thread*

wew. good thing we'll always have these, eh?

>>163953965
lol

>survive for 2 years despite a lot of close calls with hulks and shit
>amass a hoard
>everything going well
>back at base, midwinter
>dealing with inventory

>HOLY SHIT MY HEAD HURTS
>turn on thermal outfit
>ouch. head still hurts. -35c
>tired anyway decide to go to bed
>casually make my way to bed in basement

>step foot onto the mattress
>ouch, your head hurts
>FORGOTTEN AMONG THE BILLIONS LOST IN THE CATACLYSM

Are you fucking kidding me with this horse shit? Never use that , command to send everything from one pile to another. You'll fucking die to frostbite and I'm pretty sure you do it faster with M anyway.

Still that was a fucking stupid rip.

>>163978707
>I'm pretty sure you do it faster with M anyway.
You do.

I once survived a fight with very low torso health and dropped dead of being cold afterwards, was very strange.

>>163978707
Just alt f4 when you die and load your save again

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>>163979267
>scumming

>>163979575

You're playing offline anyway, it's not like it's any different.

>>163978707
can't you just magically patch up that frostbite damage by rubbing a bag full of cotton balls on your head?

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>>163979267
>>163979869

>tfw tonberry bloodknight
>tfw +4.00 blows and +40 AC when at 60% hp
>tfw 2shotting the minotaur of the labyrinth

>>163982275
Not that anon, but in the same spirit.

I'm having fun the best way I can with these offline toys, and you can't stop me.

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>>163982275

*sees you raising your hands* A once (1) in a lifetime opportunity! I will pinch that hidden tummy! IKUZO

What does Ursteel look like?

It's only ever described as 'brilliant' and 'glinting'.

>>163984126
yeah TbBk feels awesome

>>163985376
like capri sun commercials from the 90s probably

>dragons in PCB
>literally the worst monster race outside of ultragimmicks like possessors and elementals
>awful slots
>awful ranged options
>awful level-based damage
>awful base stats
>no fucking AC because lol rings
>no bonus speed, unlike hounds or fucking jellies
>no stealth allowed unless you want to swap out your resistance cloak/amulet
>250%+ (TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY PLUS) EXP PENALTY

It's just ridiculous.

>>163989072
pretty sure chris' designing of the dragon monster race went something like this:
>1) I want a challenge because I'm too good at my own game
>2) What if you could wear all the rings of power at once """"eventually""""

>>163989072
>>163989262
related: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19393

Does someone have a list of all the PCB variants and their various pros and cons? I mostly just want the quality-of-life updates.

>>163989516
elliposchengband has elliptic's and mpa's quality of life changes, the code is available at https://github.com/elliptic/elliposchengband/tree/5.0.0.

pseudoelliposchengbandR has it all. Its changes beyond elliposchengband is more focused on adding additional content (some neat stuff). The only real downside is that it is a pain in the ass to build on any setup that's not identical with the creator's because he broke a bunch of stuff. Fortunately, if you're on windows, the already-compiled .exe can be had at https://github.com/floatRand/pseudoposchengbandR_release.

I wish I had the chops to fix some of the stuff he broke so I could get it to work in cygwin so I could termcast it and use the font I like, but alas...

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>>163989072
>possessors
>bad

>>163990324
I mean they do cap out at 4 blows (obviously not including +atk items)
but they are super cool

>>163989072
>literally the worst monster race outside of ultragimmicks like possessors and elementals
They're probably near the strongest of the non-humanoid ones, actually. Which isn't really saying much when you're compared to crap like centipedes, hounds, and hydras.

>awful base stats
If you pick the good dragons (the elemental ones), you get more and more stats every time you evolve, and eventually speed.

>no fucking AC because lol rings
Armor realm, literally the best one.

I don't think they're really that terrible, there are just a lot of bad choices you can make at character creation (anything besides an elemental or passwall one, most realms).

>>163989516
mpa-pcb: all QoL changes, not updated very recently
ellipcb: elliptic's continuation of mpa-pcb
pseudoellipcb: even more QoL shit added on top of all ellipcb's stuff
pcb-r: mostly content changes like new races/classes/items/uniques, but also some balance changes like significantly faster level gain
pseudoposchengbandR: pcb-r with the QoL changes from pseudoelliposchengband merged in

>>163990236
Thanks for going the extra mile, I was just hoping for a link to a pastebin or something. Have a happy new year!

>>163989516
also apparently amy's working on some stuff too? that might be pretty fun. Her design aesthetic (everything plus the nethack sink) may make for a beautiful and socially liberal marriage

>>163990764
is there a reason to pick any dragon other than fire/ice for notterriblestats or the wall-walking ones for maximum meme status?
i guess if you want to do crusade/death realm you need specific colors...

>>163991256
well the main reason would be character flavor for fun, even at the cost of in-game suffering

I've never tried crystal drake, but the Serpent notably doesn't resist shards, so perhaps there's something to a crystal breath realm eventually? Probably isn't exactly overwhelming, but it's an idea.

>>163991256
Gold might be decent with breath realm, I guess, since very little resists it.

>>163990764
Hounds are great compared to dragons. Excellent slots which include body armor, cheap and easy breath, speed, fast as shit levelups. I imagine centipedes are much the same, and there are 10,000,000 great randart boots. Meanwhile anything but a steel dragon is going to get slammed in melee 95% of the time because they can't get AC, there are no decent rings before DL85, and we both know armor realm is a boring and uninteresting buffmeister. Bad design! Bad!

But yes, hydras are just dragons with zany slots.

Shit.
Went to a historical site,
got the the bottom,
never found the relic.

now what?

>>163995112
waht gaem

>>163995235
CoQ

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>cursed randarts with -speed
has there ever been a single one of these that was actually usable

What's a nice combo to win with after succeeding with MiBe?

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>>163996738
yeah, in the very lategame one often (not always) ends up with more speed than is useful, because of the diminishing returns. +stat, high damage dice and enchantment, +device skill, +device power, and +attacks might be contenders depending on your lategame equipment options.

but it takes a long time to get to the point where you have excess speed

>>163996836
MiFi or TrBe or KoBe

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>>163996738
I've used boots of the golem once, I think.

This is my favorite speed related silliness.

>>163997007
yeah but you still then need to find an item that's actually good enough to be worth the -speed compared to just swapping out your speedring or dropping ringil for a higher-damage weapon or whatever

there are some standarts that can be worth it like those -1speed +10 slaying boots or Winblows for maulers

>>163996738
>>163997007
oh yeah and as >>163997184 points out (and I forgot), +life can be worth it too even if attached to -speed

I'm going to format my hard drive when I wake up and install centOS.

Then I'm going to play roguelikes in the way they're meant to be played.

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just found another 10/10 cursed item

>>163997372
>not TempleOS

What's the best place to farm dragons in the mountains that's high level (60) not the dragon caves (chance to spawn anything but dragons) and near a city?
Last one is optional because I could just recall to stronghold 1, but then I'd have to trek back again.

>>163997747
honestly the best way is to go to a suitably deep dungeon floor,find an enchantress, dig an anti summoning corridor killhole, and let her keep summoning them

>>163997184
>cutting your HP 1/4 of the original
>all those vulnerabilities
>literally aggravates
>but hey free speed

>>163997514
>implying I want spend 6 hours a day conversing with God
I just want to bump at symbols into things, anon.

>>163997857
I heard that Extremely dangerous idea before. The moment it spawns anything but an elemental drake, you're fucked.
I'm talking level 30 human here, after that the best way is still cloning arena wyrms with immunities.

>>163997747
Well the mountains around Volcano just south of outpost are solid and about level 50 just next to the lava. And even if you don't have *Fire you can still peek out to piss off the ancient red Ds who hang out in the lava lake and kill them when they reach you in the mountains.

Or just head West from Telmora until you hit level 50 mountains. It's not like the overland trek is a big deal anyways unless you're playing Jelly or Earth Elemental. Just carry a staff of tele so you can avoid wasting your time with orc ambushes or whatever.

>>163998079
well the only dungeons that actually have dragon bias are Lonely Mountain and Dragon's Lair
not sure where the equivalent info for wilderness is

https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/master/lib/edit/d_info.txt

>>163998079
Zul spawns up to multi-hued ancients and great crystal drakes and dracolisks. The mountains around dragon's lair can occasionally spawn elemental wyrms.

>>163998140
I'll give it a whirl! I was mainly working around Zul where it's level 50 and two steps from any shops, but the fuckers rolled a 10 K cap on the weapon shop.

Actually it looks like the highest possible is around mount Olympus with a difficulty of 80 around the staircase. That sounds scary though.
Wonder if I can use a staff of summoning there.

>>163998223
for wilderness you just want any mountain area

they'll spawn exclusively d D B P

>>163998523
staff of summoning in the mountains should still get you dragons, no?

you could use it in fields *near* mountains and kite the summons over to the higher level map tile though. probably best to do by the high-level mountains around Dragons Lair

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>tfw Trog finally grants you a gift and it's a sling

Are there any roguelikes that are very similar to DCSS?

>>163964034
congrats, anon.

>>163999476
dcss circus animals
gnollcrawl
hellcrawl
fcrawl
linley's crawl

>>163999737
thankyou kind anon

What does feather falling do in vanilla Angband?

>>164000685
it's pretty weak, it prevents you from taking damage when you fall through floors from a trap

>>164000685
reduces the damage you take from trap doors and pit traps? i think that's it

>>164000685
oh and I guess in PCB it has some sort of interaction with monsters that breathe storm winds, as does levitation

oh yeah, and pit traps like >>164000928
said

>>163998972
>staff of summoning in the mountains should still get you dragons, no?
It's still wilderness, it shouldn't work that way

>>164001004
yeah it looks like it's actually only based on dungeon level, and the wilderness counts as dlvl 0

fuck me playing DCSS after a long breal. Was never good and never got far, but i've been trying out a Deep Elf Wizard. I get my shit kicked in before I can reach the lair every time.

My last character was doing real well. Level 7 and had a bunch of wans. Lightning/polymorph/Disintigrate.
I fucked up and picked Sif Muna on level 2. Didn't wanna gamble and not find Vehmut.

I heard the sound of a portcullis, found a strange gate and went through. There was 4 deep elf conjurers in the ready to smash my ass. I killed 2, but panicked and tried to escape. I totally forgot I had those wands and didnt use them. Got killed. This game man...

>>164000884
>>164000928
>>164000971
wew, that really is nothing

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>>163996215

>tfw scroll of acquirement
>have nether resistance and 550+ hp
>but i'm a death knight so potions of healing only give 150 at once
i want to slay the dracolisk and head to dragonslair but im afraid of getting double-breathed and being unable to outheal it

>>164003526
haste, teleport other, repeat if it resists

done

>>164004689
dungeon guardians are immune to tele though

i could try to spam icebolts at it because i have that wand, but the duration of the stun isn't really long enough to close to melee range

>>164004894
Is that a recent update? I'm at 5.0.2 and some guardians can be tele other'd. Most notably the dracolisk and drolem.

>>164005084
shit really? maybe they just have resistance instead of immunity

oh nice it's a fucked up code oversight

dungeon guardians that DONT normally have tele resistance become tele immune
but guardians that normally have resistant just stay resistant, so there's still a chance to bypass the resist and teleport them

>>164005432
don't tell Chris, I need my fat loots in dragon's lair by clvl 32 at least

>>164005618
already fixed in the pseudo github

if you really want it the other way you can always just revert the fork and compile it yourself i guess...

>>163991093
>>163990236

Regarding PCB-R, I made changelog. It is bit out of date however. Like there is hunter-class now plus mines and glass castle have bosses ( reward ?crafting and ?artifact )

>>164006019
Oops here it is
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR/PseudoellipsisposchengbandR/PCB-R%20changelog.txt

Phoneposting a bitch

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Time for another 0.16 spriggan.

Also don't die on me.

Wait a second could i use this electronic jackhammer to break into a military bunker because if so this changes everything.

Fuck i would settle for breaking into the vaults after i use a card to get in.

i am playing as a merfolk transmuter on DCSS, should i train unarmed combat or spears ( +4 aptitude)?
are all my transformation spells scaling on unarmed combat?

Also what are the best choices for its god? makhelb?

>>164010701
yeah you can

you don't even need it for the vaults inside though, don't those have glass walls? i remember just smashing them with some kind of big blunt thing

the problem with breaking down the front door is the mil-spec turrets that only deactivate if you use a keycard. those can tear through armor and probably instakill you if you don't either use a keycard or EMP them or something

>>164011617
as a transmuter you will want to train unarmed most tmut forms won't even let you USE weapons, except the super-lategame statue and lich forms

>>164011829
You wanna still use unarmed with the statue form since they receive massive boost with the unarmed damage.

>>164011916
well yeah if you start as tm you will stick with unarmed all game

but other characters who start with a melee weapon can skill into statueform/necromut later for the forms' defensive bonuses, and they won't want to train up unarmed for it

>>164011742
Neat
I guess i just have to find a single card

I never auctualy tried the windows assuming breaking them would trigger turrets could be worth trying.
First though i need to find a bunker something normaly abundent and i have yet to come across one.

>>164012291
nah the only door guarded by turrets is the first one

SOP is using a card to get in then just smashing your way to all the loot

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did you beat meshera alpha yet /rlg/?

>>164015159
Years ago. Just pound her tum like a drum until it really hurts, you dastardly villain!

>>164015159
when will this meme end

dino tummies are rough and unpleasant

>>164015159

The only single possible reason I can think of why you're having a trouble with a freexp is that you're a magic dart degenerate

Does MR help against smite attacks in Crawl?

>>164017641
MR is just chance to resist certain status effects, like confusion or mesmerization. It doesn't actually reduce magic DAMAGE

well except for disintegrate and agony, which both do 0 damage if you make the MR save

>roguelites in op
so it's fair game to discuss antibirth?
>pick up all good items with esau
>pick up all shit items with jacob
>have 2 guppy pieces on esau, dead cat drops from a red cheast but because of its positioning inside rocks jacob picks it up before i can do anything
>pick up knife piece three with jacob without thinking
>get handed the run on a diamond encrusted kryptonite platter, almost manage to lose
>on the chest get d4, reroll jacobs shit into moms knife, esau stays as he is
>get stuck in dead cat hell, have to kill blue baby without getting hit
>manage to do it
feels good despite how awfully i played that entire run, it's hard to not get hit a million times with these fucks

>>164017804
Oh, so smite is pure damage then?

>>164017946
i suppose so, yes

it also completely bypasses AC and EV, unlike most spells

only thing that can reduce it is being a dorf

>>163956719
>6 int
Oh baby

>>164018236
>tfw no stat instadeath

>>163958853
>upcoming

Isn't development dead as hell, though?

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Hm.

>>164018649
How low did you go when it breathed on you last turn.

>>164018695
well it only does 250 damage and he just zapped _holiness, so he had to be at like 106 hp

what kind of tard tries to slowheal there instead of just teleporting the fuck away

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>>164018649
That's what you get for not doing dungeons like a good little boyo.

Anyway beastman chaos warrior is a go.
For Corn!

>>164018836
>not beastman wild-talent with the chaos patron mutation

>>163964741
What about a black marketeer burglary demigod rogue?

>>164019095
black market cap is still 30k though

>>164018892
You're right, it's not.
Poindexter.

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>>164017330
but im a fairy bard and im letting all my pets do the killing but they keep dying

should i just get more bells?

>>164019373
i thought bells were supposed to be kind of shitty on continent 2 because their extremely high base speed stunts their AP gain

>>164019515
i was running 3 bells but i merged them all into one because monsters with bleed effects are getting more common
and getting gear with bleed resist on it is rarer than getting wishes

im running thanatos, projet, bell and metal fire dragon for now because the other half of my party needs more ap grind

>>164019373

>all my pets
>pets
>s

lmaoing at your life

>>163978707
>Hit @
>Oh hey, my shitty temp is legitimately causing damage, I better fix this
>Lololol no
You're fucking retarded

>>163999021
Sling's pretty good though

>>164018754
There was a good reason.

Ru seems to provide very little benefits for the sacrifices. I don't see the appeal of this god, why so many players swear by it.

>>164022507
>Draw Out Power
Neat to clear out conf and such. God-sent for mummies.
>Power Leap
Neat cBlink that also causes damage to monsters
>Apocalypse
Ruin everything around you
>Aura / Redirection
One of best defensive benefits in game.

>>164022507
my first win was MiFi^Ru
you literally have cblink and he stuns enemies all the fucking time
and you also have insta heal

>>164022507

You're right..

I kind of want to play Antibirth but I want to wait until they add Afterbirth support

good decision y/n

>>164027293
Not a roguelike. Go to reddit cause it can't keep threads up here

why is the op pic not of roguelikes?

also what do you guys think of dungeons of dreadmore. feels boring. it has like 500 stats and tries to justify this by saying ''ay yo make numbers bigger'' in the tutorial but the effect is half the levels are just padding ??? and it feels like a chore to constantly stop and read what stat got +1 to it
also uses cooldowns like tome which was the worst part of tome and even on ''make the map smaller'' mode each floor feels like it takes too long thanks to the character stopping every 5 steps to point out the absurd number of traps

i figured it'd at least carry itself on humor but most things have bland descriptions

>>164029034

>ay yo make numbers bigger

sounds like videogames in general

>>164029034
Dredmor is kind of a shitty game. It's got quite a bit of variety to the builds & the dungeon itself, especially with the mods present, but a lot of it feels like bloat. Worth trying out, maybe winning once and then ignoring.

>>164018535
Yeah, it is a very dead project even though there is that guy doing some minor tweaks, the joke is that the win screen states that the current incursion is just a PRECURSOR TO THE BLOCKBUSTER ROGUELIKE EPIC which was supposed to be playable 2011 with a overworld and more dungeons etc etc

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>>164030503
Added the relevant text

>>164029034
Cause the OP was a faggot

Bad and basically a scam

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>>163999737
>gnollcrawl
>stuck at level 1
>all enemies are gnolls

jesus christ how horrifying

I want to win with all species and I'm considering doing vampire next, how viable is a stabber without spells? Like a stabber with just dithmenos or something.

I don't want to pump exp into something useless like hexes.

>>164034653
Very viable. I tend to actually favour of starting stabbers as assassins.
My tip is just to dump 100% of skills into stealth in the beginning and fire needles at anything that looks threateningly.
Later on you can get into some some offensive spells or whatever.

>>164034909
Ok, guess I'll do a VpAs, I was originally going to play heavy-melee vampire with Necro support but stabber sounds more fun.

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>>163953965
leaked antibirth items

>>164036757
What is an antibirth item and what roguelike are you talking about?

>>164036757
deleb dis

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>>164036906
no

>>164037006
banned reported called your mother wrote a letter to your principal denied your application for a homeowner's loan

>>164034653
I'm playing a vampire enchanter of dith right now and I'm finding hexes to actually be pretty useful.

Good variety of utility spells in the starting spellbook for when things wake up or there's a pack wandering around, and due to vamp's really high proficiency for hexes and stealth it doesn't take much exp to be good at sneaking, stabbing, and also hexing. Ensorcelled hibernation alone is fantastic for a stabber.

Giving CPR to a dead thread.

>>164041254

Except when dudes with MR2 start to appear. You'll either be forced to waste more exp on Hexes to affect them or you start branching early to other actually useful damage skills which you could have started from turn 1.

Hexes will always be shit

>>164041254
That's because you're a fucking vampire stabber.

Hexes are garbage for 999/1000 of characters.

>God giift
>MR-
Trog pls.

Hello /rlg/
Recently /yourgeneral/ played in a virtual memeball tournament between /vg/ generals, and played well enough to earn a representative spot on /vg/'s virtual memeball team for the upcoming Winter Cup and friendlies. Question is, who do you want to actually be your rep?
The roster used for /rlg/'s latest /vg/ league team is here: http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/

>>164042730
I don't think we really know...
Our last one retired, rip

one of you anons up for this?

>>164042730
fuck off faggot, this is the roguelike thread
go post on reddit with that gay shit

>>164043038
>I don't think we really know...
The last time you were on the /vg/ roster was Spring 2016 and your roster representative was Sigmund. Do you just want to keep him?

>Our last one retired, rip
Those are managers who make the team's tactics, tell the board about virtual memeball events, etc. They aren't actual players. Your virtual memeball team's last manager did indeed retire, but the general won't be playing in another match for at least five more months so you've got plenty of time to find a new one or go autopilot if you're interested enough by that time.

>>164043412
oh, in that case yeah let's stick with Siggy

ded

/rlg/'s holy ballkicker needs to be Orb Guardian of course, because puns > all

>>164042730
Leave.

Is there any actual reason to play Crawl online if I don't like lag or the idea of people watching me fault?

>>164049335
stat recording, e-peen

>>164049335
Watching your wins stack up on your user page.

Also, you'll usually get decent tips from spectators, I was doing Tomb and getting completely raped until someone pointed out that the mummies can't torment if you have silence, which I completely forgot about since silence doesn't stop demonic tormenters like brimstone fiends.

>>164049335
main benefit is the fact that, since the saves are tied to an online account, you can move between computers etc and still play the same character

>>164049335

trying pinging the different servers to find a one closer to you.

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>>164049602
>wins
So nothing for me then.

>>164049708
>going anywhere
Sounds even less likely than a win.

>>164050143
I don't think any are going to be closer than the one on my desk.

>>164050473
I mean nothing is really stopping your playing offline but formal recognition of your crawl achievements is pretty nice. Like I wouldn't be as motivated to play as much as I do without the online stat tracking.

Also, if you want your first win try Centaur Fighter. Centaur has durability and speed so early game threats are basically nullified and it lets you avoid bad situations so much more easily, it was my first win for exactly that reason.

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>>164049602
>decide to play online for advice from greatplayers™
>get a spectator, then three more quickly join
>messages pile up
>nothing but Tavernshitters talking about what they had for breakfast

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>tfw you play a tonberry and you find a crusade weapon with +At

5d5 and slay evil too, holyfuck

How is PCB race HP calculated? For instance, why do liches have about 1/2 the HP of melee tablords despite having identical life rating? Will they both end up at roughly 1000ish max, assuming all other things are equal?

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what the hell are these mods? And why are they on such a shit base?
PCB please

>>164052242
that's pretty legit
sure better will appear at some point but that's a nice weapon

>>164052363
liches have a special thing in their code that reduces their life rating as they gain monster race rank, https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/master/src/race_lich.c#L259

on the bright side, pretty sure they get the lowest failrate manastorm of any character (though I haven't actually tested it with a properly equipped cl50 athena demigod)

>>164053802
and by equipped i also mean the right feat too of course, in addition to the parentage intrinsic bonus

>>164053609
I actually found that artifact broken sword with +1.5 blows and 2d2 damage and I outdamage this thing with it, lmao

tonberries really love +blows above all else. 5d5 slay evil? nah, doesn't matter

>>164053981
yeah, like in http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19803

elliptic with the +5 atks digger on tonberry timelord

>>164054141
oh whoops that's not the digger one
there's some +6 atks shovel win he had on some tb

>>164054141
Is elliptic human?

>>164055479
unclear
whatever he is, he passes the turing test so I guess we may as well pretend so

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y tho?

>>164030503
>>164030647
I really like it mechanically, but fuck me it crashes like crazy. Can't think of another roguelike with weapons, maneuvers, feats, and skills like Incursion.

DCSS SpWi, got the Swamp rune, using Fireball/Magma Bolt/Battlesphere/Hexes/Stabbing

>Snake Pit contains Mara, too scary
>Vaults contains a storm dragon, no resistances, too scary
>Elves is full of archers, too scary without Deflect Missiles, which is too difficult to cast

Slime Pits or the Abyss?

>>164056148
go and kill mara you pussy

>>164056148
Also I don't have rCorr so Slime Pits sounds like a bad idea. Abyss or Depths?

>>164056148
Have at least rf+ for Mara and dig a killhole and then lure him into it, so his illusions can't enter.
BUT this is only if you can't retrieve the rune at all without killing him, which I doubt.

Do you have at least Repel missiles? Get that and clear V1-V4 if you haven't. It's the safest branch,besides snake, for your currently. There's no need to be scared of a single storm dragon.

You'll probably want to do Slime for your 3rd rune but do snake, v1-v4 and depths before you even consider going in there.

>>164056148
>>Snake Pit contains Mara, too scary
>Snake Pit

K I L L H O L E
I
L
L
H
O
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E X P L O I T A T I O N

>>164055872
I guess it doesn't do really anything so why bother. When I was making mine, I thought about it but decided not to include it since it would be just a bother for most people,
Reducing the steps in character generation, plus character is whatever mental image person has.

>>164056413
Yeah, it generally is unless you are really fucking blasty ( which you really are not ).

Vaults 1-4 are your best bet. Just be careful.

>>164056643
>There's no need to be scared of a single storm dragon
It did about 50% HP damage in one breath before I read a scroll of blink. Spriggans die very easily. But I have potions of resistance so maybe it's not so dangerous, thanks.

>>164056934
Killed it with magma bolt, and all its breaths missed this time so the resistance potion was wasted.

>>164057616
Max damage of Storm Dragon's breath is 59.
Averages to 31 rather strongly unresisted.
Just don't let them to multizap you.

>>164056770
>I guess it doesn't do really anything so why bother.

removing fluff because it "doesn't do anything" is terrible reasoning

a roguelike of entirely crunch would be enjoyable only to autistic savants with synesthesia

>>164055872
Presumably it interfered with their roleplay experience, so they made a pulll request, and this implementation was easier than adding tons of options that still can't cover things one may not be able to put into words
in mpa it literally changes nothing since sexy and lucky are already allowed personalities for any character, so I don't mind it

huh, Atlas is vulnerable to rock remover

On one hand, getting shafted three floors in the early game instantly turns the game into a survival horror, and much more exciting. On the other hand, fuck this bullshit, bring back Traps & Doors.

I'm too dumb to play a Kobold Assassin, somebody educate me.

>>164062464
Assassin is just a melee start but with a blowgun. Kill easy shit with melee, blowgun dangerous shit, pick okawaru for free needles,heroism and finesse.

Then switch to long blades lategame, because short blades damage is complete shit if you use it as your primary weapon and not a switch to stab stuff.

>>164062464
sneak up on shit and stab it to death

if it looks scary and isn't asleep and is vulnerable to poison, shoot needles at it until it dies

if it looks scary, isn't asleep, and isn't vulnerable to poison, evoke feet and avoid it

>>164062464

Start game as stabber. Needle ogres etc., later move onto heavier armaments ( ex. long blades as mentioned ) or just keep stabbing and get into magic.
One of my favourite characters was VsAs of Ashenzari. Never really left blades, and got into air-magic. Rocked extended with haste, tornado, deflect missiles and all fun things.

>kill an ancient dragon
>Thranduil drops

God I love this feeling
I love Thranduil
I love life

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Playing a stabber after a bunch of heavy melee wins is pretty nice, I always underestimated stealth but it's pretty great throughout the game, from D:1 to Pan and Hell.

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>>164030647
>due out sometime in 2011

page 10 bump

>pick Gozag
>stack randarts
>switch to tSO before crypt
>brand weapon with holy wrath
>switch to ZIn and do Pan,Abyss and slimes
>switch to tSO and do Hell and Tomb
>Grab the Orb and ascend

whats your excuse for not having a 15 runer with at least 20 races now

>>164071715

>>164071715

I already have at least 20 15 rune wins and still haven't tried TSO.

>>163954453

Don't do what I did and leave a ghost with a +17/+14 Wyrmbane unless you want to see Draconian characters getting 1turn'd

>>164075328
>playing ancient versions with accuracybloat
>playing offline so you only ever see your own goasts

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>>164075468
>playing offline so you only ever see your own goasts

Jokes on you I still have to deal with other peoples ghosts playing offline

>blood filtration system goes in your heart
>takes 10 whole torso slots
>3 extra stomachs is only double that

Bionics is one area of the game where balance frequently takes precedent over making sense (50 energy to draw an arm blade being the most obvious example)

>>164076058
Also i feel like i am getting better at the game.

Need to learn to keep a closer eye on how damaged my storage stuff is though

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>wake up
>bloatform and cBlink still exists

When will the devs finally pluck the top bloat of Crawl?

>>164076698

I hope they release 'all deleted content' crawl at some point

Elemental wellsprings need love too

>>164076917
>Elemental wellsprings

those fucking things

fuck

......you can wear cloaks over armor?

what the fuck

for fuck's fucking sake, how the fuck did i not know this?

>be hill orc berserker
>be at lair 3
>be wearing an amulet of faith
>get nothing but crossbows from trog
>have no crossbow skill
>have -1 crossbow aptitude

t-thanks based trog

>>164079121
Tell us which roguelike you're talking about so we can accurately gauge how dumb you are.

>>164079236
Crawl, of course.

>>164079232
-1 ain't that bad and crossbows are useful if you don't have evo or some other ranged skill

>>164079121
it's not realistic at all

whenever i wear a big coat in real life i have to be completely naked underneath or i won't be able to get off properly

In DCSS, do you put points in Dex ever now if you're not a stabber?

>>164081601
Level dex to 18 if you're a tabber, then put the rest into str.

>>164055872
A roguelike with.. sex?! Where are the other games like this?

>>164082874
i mean, it removed the option to have an explicitly gendered character

slex actually has sex, and maidensnoweve is literally about sex as a major focus

>>164083537
I see. Thank you.

>Finally reach level 36 as a lich
>YES MANA BOLT TIME BABY
>47% fail chance

son of a bardsmuggler

>>164082874
Maidensnow eve is pretty good

>>164085871
post your spelllist

>>164085871
do you not have some easyspell jewelry kicking around? also +int ofc

good luck

>>164082874

Noxico

>>164086682
having both DmEs is only like -5% spellfail anon
it's more significant at low fail%s than at high ones

>>164087049
yeah the biggest thing is getting intelligence up to 18/*** but Es still matters. 5% is a full side of a d20 that flips from fail to success, that adds up fast.

wow lame liches don't get special benefit from vecna's hand and eye items, unlike necromancers and undead warlocks (the warlocks maybe only get one of those)

and they don't get special benefit from any of the Stones either

>>164087142
yeah as i said
it's a huge benefit for a spell that's at 10% fail

it's fucking nothing for a spell that's 47% fail,

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Your face when you will never be hardcore enough to beat Shiren the Wanderer

>>164088702
Shiren's bonus dungeon (100 floors) in SNES is unbeatable.

>Once you complete the main (Impasse Valley) dungeon, as well as a few of the
subplots, you'll unlock a food-themed dungeon and a trap-themed dungeon for
extra gameplay. Once these are completed and all of Fei's puzzles are finished,
you'll unlock the ultimate challenge, a 100-floor dungeon (which, I might add,
none of my testers were able to complete.)

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>>164086605
I just found Incanus for a great spell cost reduction, but it's still a long way until it's reliable

>>164089230
on the bright side you can activate incanus for a mana bolt, hahah

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>>164089087

I couldn't even beat the food dungeon, tbqhfam

>>164089087
>my testers
what was your role that was such that you had shiren testers?

>>164071715
I don't play games that bore me.
Serious question here, how do you explain your fascination with that game? If there's so little variance from game to game (even when you're playing different races and classes each time) that the same general actions will always produce the same result, what's bringing you back for another round of the same old thing?

>>164089230
>tfw the caster character is just now getting into the hardest part of the game for casters
how are your resists?

i should find time to beat sil, really

>>164089513

The same reason you keep playing your boring game

>>164089606
yeah it's pretty short. I mean, not like a super duper short game but you can definitely get strong enough to kill morgoth and take all 3 sils in a single sitting on a day where you don't have school or work, unlike basically all the other *bands (barring shit like a 27 hour single sitting Vanilla win). Helps to have advices from rlg or the freenode ##sil irc channel of course (the latter especially if you compile it for a terminal so you can termcast it for live spectator help)

>>164089325
Gideon Zhi translated Shiren from Japanese to English on SNES, he hired tester to play the game before released the patch.
I'm not Gideon Zhi or his testers, obviously.

http://www.romhacking.net/translations/snes/patches/483readme.txt

The food dungeon is ridiculous, but I defeated it without cheating or save-state.
Still, the 100-floor dungeon is absurd, but I refused to cheat or save-state because of my pride so I'll never see the bonus ending.
Well, I'm autistic enough to get Bread Drop skill legitimately on Torneko The Last Hope.

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>>164089587
Totally shit, thanks!

But I can bully any ancient dragon at this point, so as soon as I max out on con (or earlier) I'll move to Dragon's Lair and fill those holes.

>>164089230
I love how you're basically helpless against reflecting enemies until level 50.

>>164091038
could be worse but that's pretty bad! Looks like Incanus is a pretty big deal for your guy on more counts than just the intelligence and easyspell.
imo don't let this happen to you: http://angband.oook.cz/screen-show.php?id=2862

for reference on breath caps (though you may already know this):
Acid/Elec/Fire/Cold: HP/4, max 900 | Poison: HP/5, max 600 | Light/Dark/Confusion: HP/6, max 400 | Sound: HP/6, max 450 | Nether: HP/6, max 550 | Nexus: HP/3, max 250 | Shard/Disenchantment: HP/6, max 500 | Chaos: HP/6, max 600 | Rockets (checks rShards): HP/4, max 600 | Toxic waste (checks rPois): HP/5, max 600 | Storm: HP/5, max 300 | Time: HP/3, max 150 | Gravity/Force: HP/3, max 200 | Inertia/Plasma: HP/6, max 200 | Mana: HP/3, max 250 | Disintegration: HP/6, max 150

also worth mentioning that thrown boulders from the various giants are 50% chance to deal sound and 50% chance to deal shards damage.

is there something wrong with akrasiac?

>>164091334
looks like yes there is some issue, I just tried pinging it and got no response

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>>164091130
No, nether ball is my bread and butter spell. It's nether resists that I can't deal with, which means vampires, high-tier wraiths/dreads, and liches were offlimits before mana bolt.

>>164091440
any good devices? also worth noting that staff of summon monsters is pretty good on squishy casters because it gives enemies other targets to soak damage and can net strong allies. Though it's possible your intrinsic summon spells find okay things?

>>164091960
Should be able to capture ball druj and other good monsters if he goes deep enough.

Zephyr lords are funny and appear earlier, too.

>>164091245
the boulder damage is never reduced by resistance, but it randomly chooses between causing cuts and checking rshards for itemdestruction or causing stun and checking rsound

>>164091440
but nether does like half damage to evil, doesn't it?

>>164091960
To be honest I never use summons mostly out of laziness, partly because they're low quality, and partly because they slow my mana regen. I don't really need meat shields because of phase door, and if I'm to host a master vampire, I pretty much won't regenerate mana until I dismiss him. It's just not a tenable situation yet if ever - maybe it will be different with the summon greater undead that liches get in the mid 40s.

As for devices, just the usual defensive/utility stuff. I'd almost hate to find a good wand or staff at the moment since chaos breath might destroy it.

>>164092479
It's a good combo of mana efficiency and damage. It's also much easier to cast in the early game compared to ice bolt, not to mention it can damage groups. Ice bolt really sucks down mana shamelessly considering its damage.

>>164092904
you don't have to run around with the summons always active though

having no mana regen for the few turns it takes you to kill an enemy and then dismissing the summon again doesn't exactly cost too much

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lmao

>>164095767
hahah it had to pass a lot of hurdles to get vorpal_2 on that garbage base

What's the hot new meme?

>>164096080
there are only old memes around here

go play Elona+ for 500 hours, maybe after that there'll be a new meme available

>>164011742
Must have been a pretty big blunt thing to smash that glass.
Also i found another way to get into the bunker safely blow a mininuke

Seems dynamite is not enough to break the glass though.

I wish I had more time to play roguelikes instead of only having short study breaks.

Have you noticed how dead we're being in the holidays? I guess the Neets are really a minority around here.

>>164089087
of course it's beatable if you abuse shit like infinite item duping

>>164101094
We're playing the games mate

>>164101617
>playing the games
>not posting about the games to keep the thread up
Explain why there are so many non-roguelike bumps then.
You're part of the problem if you're playing and not contributing!

>>164104661
Well, I *can* blogpost. But why would you want me to?

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>>164104661
I-it's not like I'm doing it for you, b-baka!

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It fined me for 6 AC.

>>164108170
Perfect *Be item

>>164108512
What?

>>164108747
Fine cloak. Same as my old one, but 6 AC less.

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>>164104661

The unexpected christmas semen baristas sucked me dry both physically and mentally. My body is still too broken to play even Crawl.

alluring tummy is pretty OP against /rlg/

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>>164109417
Unless someone isn't into humans.

>be scrub
>first Crawl character to get a rune
>go to bed before tiredness makes me fault
>wake up ill and still tired
Well, shit. Guess I should just splat something else instead.

>>164110062
stop making me look bad with your care
you don't want to play some lame character in whatever game where you haven't gotten to the good part

Been a long while since I played DCSS so I made the same combo as my most successful character: DrFE
>your scales start taking on an icy white color
Just

>>164110852

Play draconian conjurer so you can branch out to whatever school best fits later.

>>164089854
I don't play boring games, but if you're talking about the game I've spent long periods of time on recently...
You like playing DC:SS because you can roleplay as the MC of an obscure quest on anonkun?

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>>163954104
Just started playing and im addicted even though i can't progress, took me a while to map the keys to make it playable on >mac

tried a few frog wizard combos but am making run with birdperson tinker using debug to let me choose not to die just so i can play around and be lazy

>>164111995
Yeah, it's definitely one of those games you need to get a "feel for" first before playing srsly.

Then try doing some dailies and weeklies. Etc.

>>164111995
My favorite part of Qud is the level 19 instadeath if you're not playing the paid version. Truly a pinnacle of roguelike development.

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>>164112934
Haha I love that too.
It truly separates true roguelike fans and the 2poor4cool "everything should be free" whiners.
There is no better thing.

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Spriggans are simply too squishy to be playable.

Have you noticed how there are no more
>No dickery
>Undickery
>tfw no dicku
Anymore?
But at the same time they dtopped, the "tummy" meme took over seamlessly?
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
HE NEVER LEFT

>>164113467
> 0 (zero) Fighting
>dagger of speed
Yeah anon.
It must be the spriggans.

how come I always die when I am getting to the good part

>>164114501
Dying is the best part.

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>>164113467
>0 fighting
>attack non sleeping speed 10 death yak as movespeed 99999 spriggan
>0 fighting

yeah spriggan must be the culprit. I bet elliptic would have died here just like you did because you played the situation right and the game fucked you.

there's nothing to be learned from this event to factor in to your decision making in future runs, just have to not be so unlucky

>>164114758
You see here: a sheep, covered in liquid flames. It's bewildered and confused.

>>164114987
how unfair! you stand your ground! you are moree terrified! what a noble sacrifice!

>>164115020
Visions of laying the centaur flood into your mind.