/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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To a thread with less shitposting.
Finals are over and it's time for lazy winter naps and gorging ourselves until january, what roguelike are you playing?

>>163289417
Playing Brogue because I'm autistic

>>163289417

DCSS to get my first 15 rune. What else is there to do?

>>163289417
Playing PCB for the first time after getting my first 4 DCSS wins.

Is there a way to have multiple windows showing stuff, like I see people doing in screenshots, in linux?

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>>163289938
No idea how it works on linux.
Honestly I have enough problems running it.

>>163289938
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband
See the readme about Curses.

Poschengband has to be the only roguelike that runs like ass on linux.
Well, actually also ADoM.

>>163290209
I'm running vanilla PCB, so maybe you may have more luck getting that to work that PCBR?

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>>163290501
Oh, I can run pseudoellipos and vanilla pcb just fine.
It's just that I wanted to roleplay a human swordmaster that uses a broken blade from my favorite webcomic who's purpose is reaching heaven through violence.

It fits so well with the runesword start I might as well not play at all unless I play exactly that.

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>>163288673

the shared account is all messed up

>>163291120
>grunt
you mean improved.

>>163289978
People have been talking about making a wiki for Demon for like 2 months, however no ones actually created one. If someone created a wiki/wikia for it than I'm sure a few people including me would add some stuff to it, as currently the pastebin is the only "source" of knowledge for Demon outside the very slow forums.

>>163290826
Really strange. I still don't know.
If all fails, you could try grabbing .exe from release-repo and running it through Wine.
I am really sorry that I can't really help you compile it on Linux, since that is woefully out of my ''expertise''.

>>163291958
I tried, but it doesn't work for some reason.
Don't worry though, I just remembered I have a very old laptopr running windows lying around.

>>163291120
>the grave robber
Lel

I mean now it works but it kinda looks like ass on this screen
also this keyboard is a pain

I 4 rune run once with a MiFi with lucky power drops in the span of 3-4 years

I simply don't understand the game besides IT HAS HIGH AC YOU CAN'T TICKLE IT YOU ARE DEAD and YOU HAVE HIGH AC OTAB VICTORY

I wizarded my way to tombs once and I'm at an absolute loss on how anyone could possibly clear tombs legit

I absolutely suck dick at DCSS and I wish I could end myself.

>>163294525
DCSS is easy if you run away at the first sign of danger and lure everything. I've been playing for 1-2 months now and got 4 wins, maybe this thread can help you?
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22309

>>163290826
thanks for that image
the source comic doesn't seem to hold up to as interesting as those few panels are alone but that is an inventive character with a great self-introduction

>>163294525
I did tomb as my third rune on a HOFi of qazlal. your argument is invalid. Pull mobs better. Skill better. Pick your fights better. 1v1 more. And learn how to arbitrarily assess your weapon base damage+skill to an enemies defenses and your defenses against an enemies hd and damage.

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Isn't this a unique, why is she friendly?

You know what?
It's fine. I'll play pseudo.

>>163294785
>the source comic doesn't seem to hold up to as interesting as those few panels are alone
Did you just skim through the first 30 pages of Kill 6 Bajillion "U"s? The lore and the story are the best part of the comic.

>>163295251
Alignment shit. Same reason you'll get friendly gandalf/saruman/combat eziechen

>>163294525

I got my first win after looking at a bunch of morgue files of skilled players from the tournament, and copied their skill training pattern.

>>163295251
keep her alive until you get deep into dungeon, then murder her for that delicious exceptional object

>>163295504
How do you murder her, everytime I try to fight her, I push past her.

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>go to teleport other someone and the wand is gone
I guess tabbing through the packs of energy hounds was a dumb idea.

Lost stone to mud and acid ball too.

>>163295582

you can aggro her by using ctrl+direction

>>163295582
blast her with a wand or (S)mash her i think, i forgot the keybinding

>>163295862
>>163295874
Alright, thanks.

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Heard there's an android version of DCSS and it seems like a great game to have on the go. However the only version I find are either ASCII, or tiled online. I can't afford to stay online though.

Is there an offline tiled version?

>>163295949
Have fun fighting one of the most frustrating early-game uniques outside of Robin Hood or Lousy.

>>163295874
I would (S)mash Amy, if you know what I mean.

>>163289847
a lot. you should expand your horizons beyond DCSS

>>163295582
ctrl-direction if melee, just target her with ranged

>>163295636
>when you have 65% acid resist but the queen and summons so many kamakaze a's that all your staffs get melted anyways

>>163296241
Yes, but it's bugged.

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Pa-rum-pa-pum-pum~
Cute anime tum~

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>>163288673
Can someone give me advice? I'm a DsNe of Nemelex at about mid-lair. I've been doing great, but I'm starting to run into some concerning issues that will kill me soon if I don't figure out what to do. This is my first pure mage character so i've made a few mistakes. My biggest mistake was probably spending too many points on utility spells before I had enough core spells to carry me, but i'm working on getting enough srolls of amnesia to reallocate those points. I lucked out with mutations and got a massive stealth boost, and powered by death. I also got a ring of stealth early on, and recently a amulet of magic regen.

My two main offensive spells are Stone Arrow and Searing Ray. I also have lee's rapid deconstruciton, vampiric draining, and Mephitic cloud.

The biggest thing that's endangering me right now is poor crowd control and getting overwhelmed by too many enemies at once I can work on my stairdancing skills and use my existing spells to fix a lot of that.

Here is my current list of spells I can learn. I was thinking of trying to get some summons online. I have 0 points in summons but I figure I could train it up pretty fast. I also am considering iron shot, but 6 levels is pretty steep.

What spells should I learn next, and what should my main strategy be to deal with the huge packs of enemies of the future?

>>163297586
considering nice stabbing muts you got, think about getting ensorcelled

battlesphere is cool too in combination with other spells

iron shot is good enough to carry you through entire game

>>163297586
Nemelex is incredibly good, his summoning decks can easily carry you to 2 rues and beyond.

A really mp-efficient spell combo, is battlesphere and magic dart and can deal with everything currently and not run out manga instantly.

Also, you'll probably want to learn some weapon skill and fighting/dodging at some point. 'pure mage' is usually suicide.

>>163288673

how do i stop getting faggoted in DCSS? basically what happens is i begrudingly walk through the early stages of the game, and then i get snagged because someone will confuse me for 15 fucking turns or i'll get petrified and unable to move for also 15 turns

i dont wanna look up shit that spoils the game but i dont want to keep having to redo the boring part because i randomly die to shit like that

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>summon bloat
>bloatform
Why are these two spells still in the game?

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>>163301636
Get your MR up.
>>163298893
>>163297919
ty yalls. and ye, I didn't know xemelex was so deadly. I was never a huge fan of the idea of relying on cards, but actually he gifts so often that it's more like having unlimited consumables and super power summ

>>163301636
Mr is the most important resistance in the game, and stops most of the super annoying shit like paralysis and banishment which are near death sentences sometimes.

>>163301671
Why isn't Bloat its own magic school yet?

And I mean in a non-meme way. There's this eternal battle between the elements of bloat and the element of void.

And the dev's are powered by the void. What don't they want us to see?

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Never had much success in DCSS despite trying a few times. Centaur looks kinda cool, though I never played a ranged character because using ranged weapons seems annoying.

How should I build it?

>>163302339
My first win was with a centaur fighter. They're pretty good with ranged, but I hate ranged so I just went with an axe and okawaru.

Centaur is the strongest race in the entire game purely because they can run away from shit so much easier than everyone else and don't have shit HP like spriggans,

>>163302339
delete this

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Forgot pic.
Guys, do I have good chances on going for 5+ or even 10 rune?

Never went this far, already finished the game with 3 runes though. Any tips? Should i go for magic? Charms, i have them but no skills yet.

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2007a24446e49d01e41de8cd8a90f7783654e360
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a6f70389726882b49cefdd3ad54c8da740edf40a
No wands of heal wounds, hasting and teleportation anymore. So I heard you like doing extended without Chei statue!

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6aafc7b55e4ef2100e27039353bde9471d00a6a4
Deep Dwarves now have an ability to heal their wounds instead of recharging the no longer existing wand of HW. Doing so has a 25% chance of draining 1 max MP.

>>163294525
>I wizarded my way to tombs once and I'm at an absolute loss on how anyone could possibly clear tombs legit
By going up and down the stairs a lot and enjoying falling down to <30 HP a lot. Also by hating yourself and/or being a masochist.

>>163301636
did you try actually examining enemies to see what they can do BEFORE they kill you?

there's a whole button for it, anon

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>>163303382

lmao

>>163303382
good

>>163303324
i believe in you anon, depending on how high your skills are you might want to swap to zin or tso though. if you don't, butterflies & regen are worth skilling to get usable in plate. might want to wait for a shield/amulet so they aren't both reflect though.

>>163303324
Yeah this character is pretty strong.
Do V1-V4, then depths then V:5.

After that convert to TSO and do crypt and pan->hell->tomb

or you can just do abyss and slime after vaults. A vampiric weapon makes V:5 much easier.

>>163304374
I also have a +10 dark maul and +8 demon whip of draining, i guess they may have some uses?

Also, i dont have many ways to heal myself, i may try to find a vampiric weapon, but other than that, spells that i should use even with plate armour?

>>163305034
You can probably hold off on spells on spells for the time being, but regeneration(try to get this with decent spellpower for it to last longer),summon butterflies and other low level general support spells are good.

Specifically, you may want decently powered regeneration is Abyss. There's a ton of exp in crawl so getting low level spells online ,especially in extended, is easy as piss.

Also, have you done all of elf, you could find a good vampiric mace there. A vampiric Demonwhip or eveningstar is ideal, since you're a shield user.

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IS LET IT DIE A ROGUELIKE?

>>163303382
I like it, but can't we get a new wand or something?
please

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>>163305367
Yeah, I did elven halls 3, no luck.
Oka gave me some sick swords , but no maces.

So, for some low utility spells, i need STR+ARMOR SKILL and spellcasting?

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>>163305776
bad yahoo

>>163303382
Is this legit? Removing wand of teleportation mean that spellcasters are completely fucked if they ever encounter Mennas.

Also, I don't understand why they make all of these workarounds for deep dwarf, a proper no-regen race can never work in crawl without workarounds like Makhleb or vampiric weapons.

>>163306185
mennas's silence aura is not full screen, you can haste/tele before you get in range

>>163306185
Mennas is announced by his aura, unless you happen to use autoexplore as most normal players do. Ooops.

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>>163306014
For utility spells just train up a bunch of spellcasting and the spell schools needed.
Even in plate armour, you don't a ton of levels to cast low level spells.

For example, here's an extract from my 3-rune centaur fighter's morgue:


I was wearing chain mail and only needed about 10 levels for lesser beckoning to be castable and thats without any spell casting levels. The other spells are at high failure rates but I didn't really need them and stopped training magic because centaurs are OP.

1. Can we remove scroll of recharging ? It's only useful for charging wand of digging now.

2. Regeneration spell is worse than haste spell.
Unless you worship good gods, you want to use it every battle without any consequence, it should be removed.

>>163307313
1. scroll of recharging still buffs up rods as well

2. agreed, nerf this shit

>>163303382
THE ETERNAL CAMPBELL STRIKES AGAIN

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>>163303382
>these items work best in a limited form

THEN REMOVE SCROLLS OF RECHARGING

WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING?!

>>163307743
Why not just drop stacks of 8 ?tele instead of wands, then?

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>>163288673
>Momiji no longer tells us to do our best today in the first post.

And it was one of the few things I looked forward to in this thread. I even printed out a picture of that post and put it in my wallet for good luck.

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>>163303382
Oh god the madmen actually did it.

Each day I feel like I should make a fork of 0.15 or something and expand it as Crawl R or something.
Sorry, I won't.

>>163308014
momiji is kill

>>163306498

Mennas doesn't cast Silence until he sees the player. You're thinking of silent spectres.

>>163302339
Centaurs are pretty diesel but also very boring and tedious.
>>163307313
I can agree with this

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>>163308014
Let's do our best today too, anon-kun!

>wands are effectively unlimited because of scrolls of recharging
This is true, so reduce scrolls of recharging instead. Only the crawl developers could be this stupid.

>>163308353
Mennas has a corona.

>>163308480
I see 'diesel' used alot in the roguelike community, but I never got what it meant. Does it mean OP or easy or something?

>>163308663
diesel = diesel gas used by trucks = strong as a truck

>>163308865
Oh, I see.

>>163308563

Oops! You're right.

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So if wands of hasting, heal wounds, and teleport are gone, there's no point in Acquiring them, right? Who wants to update this image?

>>163308558

That'd just encourage players to hoard ?recharging even more than they already do, though. Isn't it better to actually fix the problem, instead of making the problem less likely? Now recharging is actually reasonably used on an attack or hex wand without feeling like I "wasted" it.

>>163308558
if wands were limited in the same way as scrolls... then what would be the point of wands that do the same things as scrolls?

>>163309052
It's already out of date due to wand acquirement being merged with misc acquirement.

>>163309139
It's a consumable, the whole fucking point of consumables is to hoard them until the optimal time at which to use them. There's nothing specially desirable about recharging a hex wand over a haste wand.

>>163309052
wand acquirement was already removed before this

and the staff acq bit is wrong too since rods were moved to misc alongside wands

>>163308353
I'm thinking of his TSO-like aura, the same angels have, except angels don't spawn anywhere in non-extended except in closed off ziggurat entrances, so you immediately know it's Mennas.

>>163308543
>filename

What would be a fun combo to do a godless run on?

>>163309139
This.
Often you'd want to recharge enslavement or acid but no, it's a waste because you might find healing/hasting later.

>>163309710
HuWn

name the character after yourself

>tip

>>163309052
This was also done before jewellery acquirement buff IIRC.

>>163309780
Recharging damage/hex wands isn't that bad, recharging iceblast for hydra's or recharging paralysis is better than not using it and dying because you might have found a HW or haste wand later.

Alright, slut niggas. Hear me out.

>merge scrolls of recharging, enchant weapon, and enchant armor
>into a generalized "scroll of enchantment"
>can't be used on wands
>can be used on rods, armor, weapons
>add disenchanters and rust monsters

>>163309945
I've had games with 2-3 scrolls of recharging for all 5 runes. It really makes you save them for "good wands" if you want to attempt extended.

>>163309052
>my first misc acquirement on trunk gave me a wand of HW
turned out to be a very rare occasion

>>163309052
this flowchart was made by a guy on the tavern forums

go ask him for another one

>>163303382
>People STILL play Crawl

lmao

need some help with draconian setup, i'm dying at d4~d6 quickly. Any class can be suggested, just a few tips could work for me

How do I proceed on this run? I'm a DsNe of Xemlex, i just cleared Orc and now I've gotta get my first 2 runes. Only problem is I have Shoals and Spider's'' nest. I still haven't found any source of rPois and I'm pretty squishy, so those spiders will fuck me right up, but Shoals isn't much better. What do? Dive dungeon?

>>163312127
You shoudn't be dying that early with any Draconian class. Try fighter, that is as easy as it gets.

>>163312127
DrCj is incredibly strong, battlesphere + magic dart destroy lair,orc,dungeon and beyond,

I also recently won a DrMo^Chei, it's pretty fun. Just train UC to 10, then fighting dodging and invocations. Then transmutations once you get a good transmuter spell like statue form which is OP as fuck.
Here's the morgue if you're interested
>http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Vajrapani/morgue-Vajrapani-20161218-135448.txt

If you don't like Chei, pick something with immediate power like hepliaklqana.

>>163312127
Also, forgot to mention that Draconian is pretty sturdy, even with the no armour conduct, so dying that early is really a tactical problem.

Always lure enemies in earlygame and don't try to take on shit like orc priests(in packs) or ogres without some backup plan.

Once you hit XL 7,when you get your breath weapon, and get a god is when draconian's start to really get strong.

>>163312196
Nevermind. I tried just diving straight to Spider:4 and powering to the rune. Jesus fuck that is the most ridiculous branch. No amout of cards could have saved me. RIP one of my favorite chars in a long time.

>>163312638
>>163312423
>>163312320

I'm starting one DrCj, the problem is cuz i died too much so i'm tilted as fuck and just o all way the dungeon.

prepare to get angry, MuMos
gammafunk: !commands add !mu Mummies now have a +2 Spellcasting apt in trunk!

>>163312127
gold draconian is a good choice because they get solid device skill and access to stunning through their breath

you probably shouldn't pick metamorphosis at 35

>>163312320
Die before you get color, if you must.

>>163314792
Nah, if you're dying on d:4-6, you should take bronze, since you can confuse pretty much anything besides maggot's dogs at that depth.

Hey guys, can I farm skills after XL 27? Where can I do it? Abyss?

>>163316335
abyss and pan are both infinite

ziggurats too if you're crazy/manly enough

you will have enough xp for several 27s just by playing a normal 15rune though

>>163316335
Pan

>>163316827
Minotaur/elfaboo shitter go home

>>163316335
Abyss is an ok option, but why would you need to do that? There's so much xp in crawl that it becomes superfluous after vaults:5.

>>163316907
it's not about winning, anon

he needs to autismhoard them 27s

Why does crawl obscure the most relevant information when it lets you check out everything else?

How am I suppose to know when my +2 whip of electrocution is surpassed by my UC attacks?

HURDUR GIT GUD
well faggots I die more to AC I unexpectedly can't overcome than anything else

>>163318362
>i die to AC
you know it's possible to take your finger OFF of the tab button, right?

is demonspawn berserker a good beginner class??

>>163317124
Ubernaga or death

>>163318362
>Why doesn't my dagger-tier punch break an orc warrior in plate's ac
Gee, I wonder. The base damage for uc is clear on the wiki as is the brand explanation. Drop an exlusion and move on.

>>163319010
Demonspawn isn't great for a complete beginner. They level very slowly and the mutations can vary from minor help, to minor annoyances or to completely game changing.

>>163319010
No. It's a harder minotaur berserker for no reason. Play a minotaur berserker or hill orc gladiator of an invocations god.

>>163307313
1. it's nice for hex wands, i'll use it more on those now

2. regen is dumb and should be fixed

>>163309052
armour > weapon > jewelry > anything else. or gold if you're ~1k away from something really good

>>163319010
>>163319221
it's good because Ds is very strong mid to late game, which is nice if you're new + unfamiliar with it, and new players will die a lot early game anyway

>>163320437
Regen is a consequence of shitty monster design. The spell isn't the problem.

>>163320974
regen would at least be more interesting if it worked like powered by death

>>163318362
I'd like to just have the brands explained in the in-game wiki. Which one's add static damage, and which ones add percentage.

>>163318362
Alot of the hard earlygame monsters you can literally just walk away and they wont be able to hurt you.

Wizard,priests and centaurs are the bigger problems but there are such things called corners,doors and staircases.

I feel like I'm the only Crawl player who doesn't tab... I mean, I auto-explore (how could you not when it's right there?), but I've yet to see a good excuse for tabbing besides pure laziness and have only seen bad things about it.

...then again, I might be taking the ">otabbing" meme too seriously, when it may not literally refer to otabbing but to rushing like an idiot.

>>163322079
you are supposed to press the button not hold it down

>>163322079
Tabbing reduces a ton of the tedium, if you're careful to not tab into the Los of more dangerous shit, but that can easily be avoided by changing your rc-file so you can't move toward enemies when tabbing.

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>>163321402
>encounter difficult enemy
>run away
>don't get exp and loot
>encounter difficult enemy
>run away
>don't get exp and loot
>nothing left but difficult enemies
>don't have enough exp and loot to kill them
>die
????????????

>>163322079
I wouldn't be tabbing either if the game didn't throw tons of popcorn at you. Tabbing cuts the playtime down by 3-4 hours. It's convenient.

>>163322513
You get so much exp later on that it doesn't really matter if you avoid those ogres/orc warriors on the early floors, and you get exp from normal popcorn enemies anyway.

Crawl is always about minimising danger and taking the path of least resistance not taking dumb risks that don't really pay off.

>>163322513
The XP scaling makes it a nonissue

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>>163322765
>later on
>>>>>>>>don't have enough exp and loot to kill them

>>163322765
All roguelikes are like that. The difference lies in the knowledge required to avoid the danger. What is too dangerous at the moment? What are the best ways to deal with particular enemies? Where I should go next? What gear is optimal for a given location/situation? What's the most effective way to improve my character (skills, stat gains etc.)? And so on. Crawl just happens to have some answers to these questions shorter than other roguelikes.

>>163322924
You don't have to kill every single monster on the floor, if I'm playing a character and I encounter a bunch of ogres or sigmund or whatever I just skip the floor and nothing really happens, there's not really going to be a massive difficulty spike from one floor to another unless it's a change of branch.

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>>163317124
I just want to level my skills so I can drop heroism from Okawaru, then change to TSO. Already got 5 runes.

>>163322513
>>163322924
this rarely happens in practice

>>163323284
>Tell a girl you'll worship her
>Take all her stuff and abandon her
What a nigger. Stick with your god.

>>163323284
There's not much point desu, since you're so buff already. Might as well switch to TSO and do crypt now to save time.

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I think I should go for winning as a different kind of orb.

>>163322079

tabbing is literally safer than not tabbing unless you hyper focus on every single action

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>>163323550
I equipped ONE of the gifts he gave me, fuck Okawaru, only good for heroism so i can level my skills in a better way.

Im probably going to switch to TSO and go kill some demon/undead.

I'm getting bored of OP species but hate Felids and Mummys, how fun would you rate octopodes?

>>163324823
they are fun once you get to lair

>>163324332
>Two eveningstars
>Useless
>rF+ shield

>>163324823
Fun gimmick A little worse than human power wise

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>>163305776
Let it die indeed.

>>163322079

Is... is this... the rumored special snowflake who doesn't tab?! whoa.... really makes u think... huh

>>163322513
>encounter easy enemy
>fight
>get xp and loot

>encounter difficult enemy
>be weirdly paranoid about not finding enough xp in the game
>fight
>spend more consumable loot than you get back from it
>if you die you lose all your xp

>>163322079
tfw click

>>163322924
most monsters in crawl are easy-to-defeat freexps
the ones actually worth running from are a small minority

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>>163303382

ahahahaha I always knew this day would come since I've already practiced a gazillion of 15 rune Ru games of always sacrificing evocations! These madmen actually made my training truly worth it! ahahahaha

How about they just remove Evocations now? It's nothing but B L O A T

>>163328060
>there is now a reason to use recharge scrolls on other items
stealth evo buff?

>>163328060
wands of HW/Haste/Tele had nothing to do with evocations tho

>>163328292

>a reason to use bloat on bloat

ahahaha I can't believe it!

>>163328391
>not playing MuAr of Bloatzag and fully embracing hungerless bloat

>>163328467
>hungerless
wow such a great upside
because all the other evo characters in the game have so many food problems

fucking remove food already

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>>163328334

>nothing to do with evocations

Have you tried sacrificing evocations with Ru even once?

>>163328608
the fact that sac evo disables them doesn't change the fact that those wands were completely unaffected by the evocations school

sac evo also stops you from using boots of flight

>>163328595
they do with the god of expensive eats, because that is less dosh to buy dank rods

>>163328608
sacrifice spider sack + evokers should be worth the full amount of piety

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>>163328680

You just contradicted yourself in your own post.

>>163328821
training evocations does not affect the power of wands of haste, heal wounds, teleport, dig, or invisibility

although they are cosmetically "wands", they are unrelated to the "use wands good" skill

>>163328757
>sacrifice spider sack + evokers should be worth the full amount of piety
Just the use of box of beasts should be worth full piety. A few uses of that at like 16 evo and you can demolish any enemy in the game.

>>163328906

HW/tele/hasting are evocables.

Therefore sacrificing evocations affects them.

>>163328334 is false

>>163329064
but it was in the context of
>How about they just remove Evocations now?

nobody cares what ru thinks about those wands

their removal does not affect the evocations skill, because they already did not use the evocations skill

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>>163329275

Anyone with a working brain could tell that wasn't what I implied. This damage control attempt is amazing anon, please don't spout misleading information next time

>>163288673
>Remember, enter Control+Q when you're done so the game is saved for others.
ebin

>>163328595

>remove food

Fuck off shitter. Crawl should never pander your lack of skill

>>163322079
I didn't know about tab at first, so I feel you. Also my spellcaster chars obviously still rarely if ever use Tab

>>163330074
you can macro tab to 'za' pretty easily for the holistic tabber experience.

>>163330012
what?
people with chronic retardation and literally zero skill are the only ones who food actually matters for in crawl
nobody else ever has problems with it

>>163330224

>people with chronic retardation and literally zero skill

Like you. You are complaining so you have a problem with it.

>>163330012
bring back nausea

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>+3 ring of slaying early find fuck yes
>draconian transmuter
>Level just enough to get spider form
>great UC skill
>mottled, hate it but whatever
>find Ashy, curse it up for skill gain
>with Ashy, minor investment into +5 hand crossbow for superior ranged weapon I can just transform away
>have just enough for Ice Form, Blade Hands for Lair
>dodge a nasty ghost on lair:1
>play it smart and safe in lair:2, set up a 1v1 with a 7 headed hydra
>sticky flame and shoot it twice to soften it up on its approach
>Ice Form because Ice Form is said to be good against Hydra
>almost-dead Hydra turbos my exact 150 hp in two 75 damage hits in two turns

I think this happened because Ice Form sucks and has terrible defense

>>163330276
so you are agreeing that food only makes a difference to players who have no idea what they're doing

but you still think it's a good mechanic that should stay?

i think you're just one of those anons who gets autismally triggered by any time the word "remove" is used. you probably madposted about weight and inventory destruction too

>>163330428
Yeah, Ice form is aids, even 1v1 against hydra. I've killed them better normally than using ice form.

If you have chei, you can really easily destroy them with normal melee so maybe try that, but if you don't like him then maybe nemelex, because his summoning cards are OP as shit and demolish everything in the game, or Makhleb(4 invo makes lesser demon 1% hostile rate.)

>>163330501

early D popcorn also ONLY makes a difference to players who have no idea what they're doing yet they are a good feature in this game and should stay

After all if they can make shitters like you splat as often as how you contemplate about killing yourself for your lack of skill, then the particular game feature has fulfilled its purpose

>>163330793
>early D popcorn also ONLY makes a difference to players who have no idea what they're doing yet they are a good feature in this game and should stay
why?
the long-ass popcorn levels in orc and lair were cut out

>>163330916

>clearly said early D
>mentions orc and lair

Yep, you clearly possess chronic retardation. Do not mention your chronically retarded ideas anywhere that has people in it

>>163331072
remove food
remove food
remove food
REMOVE FOOD

>>163330793
cutting D to 12 and lair to 5 would be nice

>>163331151

Surely you mean remove lair cuz gam is 2 ez

t. single decimal/digit win """"rate"""""

What is this, american late night autism time?

>>163328292
You never get enough power for wands to be useful. Too few charges and it costs a scroll of id because you straight up don't have the generated charges to roll a 70% id chance. Only the new rods, BoB's, and sack of memes which were added specifically to be OP are saving evo.

>>163331660
you know what they say anon

an /rlg/ clock is autistick 24 times a day

>>163330428
Non-chei ice form is shit. Shiiiit!

>>163330428

>worship bloat god
>surprised he got blown the fuck out

>>163332004
ash is one of the more interesting gods. bloat gods would be oka, veh, ely, yred...

>>163332004

The only real bloat god is Jiyva, literally what is it's purpose

Why would anybody ever take adrenaline as a trait
Its great as a bionic but the crash is far to serious to risk random activation

Or does it only do that with the bionic and i was retarded to down that purifier to get rid of it.

I'm playing POWDER and I randomly turned into a troll, whats up with that

>>163332624
Did you put a ring or amulet on recently?

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Poor guy getting his balls kicked.

>>163303382
>Nerf wands by making it impossible to properly acquire them
>remove them anyway

>>163332849
Is that something by le Amy?

>>163332951
it's some poor sap playing slex, and dying horribly on dungeon level 44 after 75k turns of overpreparation. He should just have ascended 25k turns ago already, but instead he died here. RIP. :(

>Early game DD
>lol rot mp trigegrs 5times in a row
>already out of MP
Why is this allowed, who thought making this fully rng was a good idea

So how do formicids do extended now without Heal Wound Wands?

>>163332723
Yeah it's polymorph, I went from a troll to an earth elemental and then a large bat so I figured it out

>>163333120
Regeneration like usual?

>>163333120
try not to let enemies reduce your hit points to zero, using unlimited dig as needed

Currently playing DCSS and having a good start I think. Never had much success in this game. The furthest I remember going was in some ice caves. Need some advice to increase my chances of survival.

Playing a level 11 Centaur Hunter, currently training Bows, Unarmed and Fighting. I am on Lair level 1. Should I train some armor? What about spellcasting?

My outstanding items are :
+2 Shortbow of Velocity,
+0 Shortbow of Freezing (not sure which is best)
+3 Amulet of Reflection
Ring of Ice
+1 gloves
Helmet, Cloak, Leather Armor, Centaur Barding,

>>163333186
>>163333237
That doesnt help against bad rng rolls like brimstone fiends hitting you with 3 50dmg hellfires in a row

>>163333237
what if instead of limited hitpoints and unlimited dig, formicids had unlimited hitpoints but limited dig?
and they got game over if they ran out of digs?

>>163331397
enjoy your bloatfloors while they last, they WILL be removed eventually

>>163333330

Forgot to mention that I used to have a whole lot of beneficial mutations (Intelligence, Clarity, Horns 2, Evolve (what does it even do)) but I found out the hard way that potions of cure mutations are a thing.

>>163333356

You're just bad. Regeneration or even just a regeneration amulet is more than enough for extended

>>163333356
dont pick chei?

>>163333357
dude... woah...

>>163333330
i don't understand why you are training unarmed instead of a weapon skill

unless you're playing some 5-year-old version it does not increase the damage of your hoof kick
(sidenote: do not follow any advice or guides from the crawl wiki, it is terrible)

every character should train dodging and every character that wears armor should train armor

>>163333356
Then cast triple crossbow?

>>163298893
>Also, you'll probably want to learn some weapon skill and fighting/dodging at some point. 'pure mage' is usually suicide.
yet another garbage player giving bad advice

It makes no fucking sense that ids are single use in cata

Heal wounds and Regen are the 2 things that make Extended not completely fucking tedious if you dont worship Chei/Makh/TSO
Better lets remove both

>>163333536
>Crystal ball has deposited 17 mp in your mana pool for this post

>>163333556
It's for pushing you onwards. Once you're in the bunker just jackhammer to get the loot. Labs you can use explosives.

>>163333453

I was following a guide yes. Is there somewhere with more up to date guides? I'll keep rolling with unarmed since I've invested a lot in it, but put more focus in dodge and armor.

>>163333536
"pure mage" builds suck and run into major problems when out of MP or forced to enter close quarters dangerous areas

>>163333581
how about changing the video game to be NOT tedious?

>>163333660
Cant have that, even /rlg/ defends torment and hellfire and tells you to gitgud instead

>>163333581
there are a lot of better ways to fix those problems

>>163333654
>i can't play a different playstyle without twisting them into being the exact same as my comfort zone
if you've let something non popcorn reach melee range as a ********pure mage********* you've already attained a deep level of fault

>>163333627
there aren't a ton of up-to-date guides

the ones on the wiki are often actively bad though. either they're multiple versions out of date or they're just bad advice in general

the wiki has a general problem with not being up-to-date but the guides people put on it are even worse

>>163333654

I thought I already told you to stop saying your chronically retarded ideas anywhere that has people in it. This is literally worse than showing your 2 (two) inch dick in public

>>163333737
>the yaktaur hits you!!!!!!!!

>>163333819
>not the arrow hits you
>not having rmsl
fault

>>163333627
You don't really need to follow a guide, if you want to play a ranged centaur just train your ranged weapon ,pick okawaru or trog, and hit shit enemies with melee to conserve ammo(in early game) once your ranged is near minimum delat(should say in weapon description) then turn on fighting and dodging also.

After that train some armour and weapon skill.

>extended without haste
no thank you

>>163333737
the most dangerous threats in the game are ranged and/or above speed 10, and the most dangerous areas have you fighting multiple at once after you wake up the whole level with your loud conjurations

>>163333783
please stop recommending DEFE to new players

>>163333737
>>163333783
Not even that guy but players new to playing mages(otherwise why would the player in question be asking for advice in the first place.) will run into bad situations and minimising it by training fighting/dodging and some weapon skill for conserving magic will help them in the long run.

>>163333946
just use your wand sparingly in key tactical situations and when it runs out of charges recharge it

OgFE is the new beginner mage combo

>>163333852

Nevermind got fucked up by Rupert

>>163333970
if you play like a tabber in general you'll splat a whole lot of high int robed characters until your brain learns how to play a caster(protip: tabbing titans with 10 AC is not the way)

>>163334054
Beginner mage combo will always be DrCj, deep elf gaybois stay away.

>>163334001
REMOVED

>>163334120
NO
I REJECT IT

>>163333964

>im scared of popcorn

And your point is? Why does this matter? Stop being bad

>>163333964
>the most dangerous threats in the game are ranged and/or above speed 10, and the most dangerous areas have you fighting multiple at once after you wake up the whole level with your loud conjurations
it's a good thing that as a caster you have the luxury of clouds or even level 9 area spells by the time you reach those areas. that and with high stealth you can make noise without attracting the whole map even with shatter because they just forget about you in 1 turn unless they see you right away

>>163334078
I understand, but what I'm saying is that tabbing popcorn enemies to save mp is probably going to be better, and safer, than spamming conjurations and getting in a tight spot with 0 mp.

Is this situation going to happen if you play well? No, not really but for someone new to mages it's good to have some kind of security that will minimise those scenarios.

>>163334078
how to play a "caster": fire storm two titans to death in vaults 5, feel badass as h*ck, get locked out of the stairs while out of MP, die to "bad rolls" that pierce your 8/20/0 defenses in two turns, bitch on reddit

>>163334250
it is nice to have fallbacks in a game with permadeath. at least you acknowledged stealth, which is a very good option

>>163334295
>tabbing popcorn enemies to save mp is probably going to be better, and safer, than spamming conjurations and getting in a tight spot with 0 mp.

the solution to that problem is to not fight the whole level at once, not train a weapon skill and getting tons of dodging and fighting. to avoid the problem of getting caught with low mp and having to fight everyone in the level
just make a habit of splitting packs, lure enemies, and train stealth. also remember to press 5 when you have half your mp bar

>>163334419

>not having both firestorm and shatter at 1% by V:$

what a faultmaster

>>163334419
>out of mana
What is Vehumet, Crystak ball, sublimation of blood etc

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I don't know how I learned all these spells but this is kick ass I'm unstoppable

>>163334543
fifty int and still incapable of understanding a single sentence, this is why elves are not allowed in /rlg/

>>163334419
there is no scenario even your made up retarded hypothetical in which training some weapon skill and wearing some ring mail is going to be better than upgrading your level 7 spell to a level 9 spell. you're not supposed to tab the titans son, and v:5 is easier as a pure mage wearing harm and buttblasting aliches in 1 turn than as a 30/30/30 bunker

>>163334617
lvl 9 spells are overrated for 3runes
4 times the xp requirement

>>163334669
they're so dank though

>>163334617
>v:5 is easier as a pure mage wearing harm and buttblasting aliches in 1 turn than as a 30/30/30 bunker
terrible advice

>>163334617
>wearing harm
jesus

>>163334574
a better example would be sif, vehumet is useless once you're out and the other two are dangerous in a pinch

>>163334762
>>163334841
you're not allowed to post in this general unless you've ascended a DEFE of chei with 15 runes wearing harm with no trained fighting and under 90 minutes of real time

>>163334613

Forgive me for spamming shatter and firestorm AND glaciate while also having Deflect Missiles and SoB AND unlimited God mana while ejaculating to elf porn at the V:$ stairs.

While your """""""optimal build""""""" waste exp on bloat skills a caster doesn't need even once

>>163334617
>getting a few levels in a weapon is the same cost as getting access to a level 9 spell
um?

>>163334940
post your win where you do this and i'll leave /rlg/ forever

>>163334947
we are talking about V:$ not zig:27

>>163335071

>zig:27

typical non-elf shitter HA!

>>163335040
getting 14 in staves or 12 maces with your whatever shitty apt can and will make the difference between unsafe fail rate or safely castable for not just level 9 but every spell in general. i'm not against training weapons *eventually* but this meme where people must hybridize early because god forbid they use only their spells to clear lair branches is just an unholy abomination birthed from the depths of the bad wiki and it must be put to rest

>>163335071
sorry the dog ate my win

>>163335271
you don't need to always train to mindelay anon

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>>163335345
GET OUT

>>163335271
but building a "mage" *is* the classic bad wiki advice

you don't need anything more than your starting book to clear lair. you can excessively pump magic but if you are playing to win, it is usually not the best option

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>>163335271

These poopoo players are hopeless. Let them enjoy their glorious waste of exp for all they like while we get all the spells we need for either extended or Ziggurats as early as Vaults.

If I knew my post asking for Mage advice would result in such a storm of autism, I'd never have made it. You guys are making my eyes bleed, besides I already splatted him.

It's 6pm and dark and rainy outside and I'm very lonely. Should I start drinking? Yes, yes I should.

What game/char will I run next?

>>163335723
Draconian monk of Chei

or

Hill orc of Beogh, if ur a gay boi

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>>163335782
Not a gay boy, so le snail dragon it is.

>>163335510
if you're going to clear shoals using only your imb or ice beasts or stone arrow you've already invested something like 10 spc 10 conjuration 10 elemental school, or else your spells are going to be too weak and you won't be able to kill things with your entire mp bar. at this point you can try to get more fighting and dodging to get your +3 elec whip to mindelay or try to upgrade your robe to ring mail but that's not going to be anywhere near as effective as trying to upgrade to the next tier of spells because it's your natural direction for growth and you've already invested in int and casting skills. if you've found book of power there's nothing SAFER than getting that iron shot or ood to a low fail rate, you should only deeply invest into tab power if you're playing some kind of no book no sif/veh playthrough or if you've found some kind of unrandart bonanza

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What the fuck is that?

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>the first time you use a scroll of immolation on a horde

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Jesus this glaive, if only if I was playing a merfolk or something

Why hasn't anyone attempted to hijack the devteam yet and completely reform it by removing every single one of its active members? They're clearly being retarded for repeatedly cutting or dirtying game content for no reason and even in the rarest of occasions that they provide one, it's also nothing but memes.

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>sitting here drinking and playing DCSS alone to deal with the crippling depression
>pic related
Devs why?

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>>163303382

Truly, there are no redeeming features about post .15 crawl.

>>163308317
Is that a yeek on the right
Did you draw this
You're forgiven for every compiling error now and forever

>>163338189
>playing DCSS to deal with depression
The only way to truly kick depression in the balls so hard it recesses into pure happiness is to play MuMo until you win.

Fuck it im switching out junkfood intolerance for lactose intolerance

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>>163338189

>>163338705
>I'm switching out
*wizmoding

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oh bby

>>163338705
Traits really dont seem balanced anyway
Hell illiterate should probably be worth the whole 12 points.

>>163338949
They couldn't really be balanced.

The same category of points having both food-related entries and combat entries would need some (((tight design))) to be balanced.

>Hell illiterate should probably be worth the whole 12 points.
It prevents you reading books, but NPCs can still read for you.

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>>163339245
>NPCs can still read for you
UGGGGGGGGGGGGH
COMMMMMFYYYYYYY

>>163339358
Not comfy yet - being able to lie down and cover self in blanket while reading isn't implemented.

>>163339395
actually if you read by the fire with a blanket under your tile you will get a morale bonus of around +10 for "getting comfy".
I'm serious.

>>163339568
It's only by the fire thing.
For a blanket to do it, you need to actually go to sleep.

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>>163339395
>change into pajamas
>snuggle into bed
>npc reads mystery novel to you until you fall asleep

>>163339568
hnnnng

>>163339637
>>163339358
Degenerate animeposter.

>>163339667
You bully! You're straying from the path of not being an ass!

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>>163339667

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>>163339714

Oh hey apparently someone uploaded one of the latest adom prereleases.

>>163303382
this can't be real
just remove wands altogether then what the fuck

>>163339759
>not a nail bat
I really really motherfuckin' fuckin' hope you pilgrims don't do this

>>163339831
'tis real anon, just look on the forums. They also gave mummy a buff to spellcasting for some random reason.

>>163339848
The original meme was about keeping your videogames in the fridge.

>>163339831
That would be a strong MuMo buff.
Also
>Deep Dwarves now have an ability to heal their wounds instead of recharging the no longer existing wand of HW. Doing so has a 25% chance of draining 1 max MP.

Sounds like DD aren't really a no-brainer anymore.
Either that or people are gonna spend a lot more points in spellcasting to get more MP.

>>163339902
>Sounds like DD aren't really a no-brainer anymore.
They still are, the change just makes early game more annoying but once you have full piety with makhleb, you're set for life.

Damage shaving + regen is a hell of a drug anon.

what memes should die in 2017 rlg?
slex, tummy, awoo and crawl being bad IMHO DESU family

>>163339971
>more annoying
You clearly mean "more tactical".

is .. is roguelite dead?

I wanted to ask about enter the gungeon's new beta patch..

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tummy slaaaash!

>>163339985
>IMHO DESU family
yes, let's remove that.
>>163340002
make nu rlite general
fixed

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>>163340045

I don't get this tummy meme, I haven't been on /rlg/ since 2014/2015 and it gets referenced a ton out of nowhere.

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>>163340045

>>163340167
Some dude started posting a monkey island genie image calling it "high priestess of uskayaw" in reference to the new dcss god
he did that in every single thread for months talking about her exposed midriff, which he called "tum"
it's an pure example of a "forced meme"

>>163340051
Thanks for the headsup

>tfw every general will eventualy die.

>>163340167
One word: pedophiles

>>163340271
>an pure example
gosh golly gee I meant "a pure"
>>163340396
Everything will die eventually, anon.

Huh, found a Lesser Beckoning Spell in Party Tricks

that's new to me. How is this spell?

>>163340461
It's only really good with high spellpower to increase the range at which you can pull enemies to you, so basically a good spell for extended play.

>>163339985
Crawl being bad will NEVER die.

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>>163338545
Nah, just pic of setting I was working pn
I did draw a yeek though. At least how I guess yeek would look like.

>>163340908
The feet are weird and those random hairs or spikes don't fit
Otherwise pretty gud
Kinda psycho kobold

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>>163340908
That is a good yeek
you are a good person
Have cat

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Did somebody say "kot"? I think I heard someone say kot.

Mentionings

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>>163341068
>those random hairs or spikes don't fit
In what context?
Nobody has ever described a yeek.
I really like the goiter.

>>163341203
Kot a shit
Giraffe is better

>>163340398

that's 3 words you quintuple minotaur

>>163341309
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU
THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE
GET IT ?
I DONT THINK SO

>>163341068
Well, no official artwork or good description so yeah.
Althpugh I did kinda take inspiration from Sniff from Moomin ( The ears, which kinda would form y, like demons' horns form U ).

In PCB what's the difference between a monk and a force trainer?

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Oh.
OH.
Oh dear.

>>163342017
>kamehameha
really

>>163342093
You seem surprised.

>>163342147
Never played PCB but that seems like a blatant ripoff

>>163342306
Well, one thing's for sure.

How much can regen items stack in crawl?

>>163342306
PCB is 90% references and ripoffs. Some are just more obscure that others ( ex. Red Helm is 'Akakabuto' from one anime about dogs that become flying sawblades ).

Wow, turns out charging four turns for a 1000+ ranged attack isn't that big of a deal actually.
Barely took one star off oberon.

I mean unholy fucker of mothers how much damage are you even supposed to do to these people
How much HP does the serpent even HAVE

>>163343440
30k.

>>163342694

Enough to safely remove wands of heal wounds

>>163342694
40 boots
40 gloves
40 helm
40 cloak
280 armour
40 amulet
4.4 hp per turn

>>163343519
That's retarded.

>>163344117
gitgud

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>>163344249

>>163344249

Why? That's not even 1 million.

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160KB, 1358x603px

Currently doing vaults after getting the snake rune, the other lair branch is shoals.

Am I just being a pussy bitch about going to shoals?

>>163344667
>34 AC
Yes.