/rlg/ - DCSS/Recursive Angband Fork/Other Roguelike General

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>feral predator spawns while you're crafting
>impales raquel
>everyone runs to her aid
>predator is kill
>raquel is bleeding to death

Fucking predators, man. Shit's spooky if you don't have a couple first aid kits immediately on hand.

We've lost 3 people to a predator gang and a random hulk.

no @.gif last thread. good job anons. make sure to not post it again this thread. that includes tumposting, mention of "mibe"s, worship of chei, and posting screenshots of C:DDA. i'm watching you.

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What's your plan for Christmas /rlg/?

What has your strongest crawl character been?

Mine was a DDFi^Makhleb with +11 vampiric executioner axe and riposte gloves, I was literally invincible.

>>163050079
pakbug supercharged vampiric ex axe +81 +81

>>163050079
some sort of gargoyle

>>163050079
i had a GrFi of TSO that I did a greaterascend with. Can't remember details, though. Probably have screenshot or morgue on my drive...

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>>163050217
you're lying you shitter

pakellasbug set the enchantment to a max of +72 and only fer certain base types (e.g. clubs)

what is the purpose of jivya
all i ever hear is that he's not very helpful and I shouldn't take him

>>163049878
Which dude is you?

>>163050434
fedhas => jiyva is the patrician version of the oka => tso 15 rune plan

>>163050485
The one dragging a cargo carrier in the center of the screen.

I was near the solar arrays making biscuits and log exploded with NPCs going apeshit on a predator.

>>163050434
He doesn't seem that amazing, since he gives and takes mutations at random and can even give you shit ones apparently. I was reading a
>http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Leszczynek/morgue-Leszczynek-20161201-194326.txt

and
> 42919 | Elf:3 | Lost mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands. [Jiyva's power]
42920 | Elf:3 | Lost mutation: You are frail. (-10% HP) [Jiyva's power]
42921 | Elf:3 | i'm literally using my piety to deal with my own god
42921 | Elf:3 | what the fuck
in particular stood out

>reptile kobolds
Actually dog cobolds are canon

>>163050434
random healing, an invo to instant kill aliches and instead of having a bunch of bad muts after you're done with pan you have good ones instead

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>Whoa, not so fast, virgin. Can't post in this thread until you've beaten a roguelike.

>Yeah, and DCSS doesn't count, loser!

>>163050783
brogue is pretty easy, i got my first win in a few hours

>>163050823
This
And it also happens to be vegan, which is a giant bonus.

>>163050537
Fedhas is aids desu, all that micromanagement when you can just hero up and kill shit with the same efficiency.

>>163050783
This would kill the thread, most posters only play DCSS, and not even very well.

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>>163050537

>bloat => bloat
>patrician

>>163051007
>going into a dungeon and stabbing/poisoning all the wildlife to death just so that you can make a profit by selling off the massively valuable amulet at the bottom
yeah sounds vegan as fuck

>>163051080
oka is good if you want to win the game in 4 hours instead of 9, fedhas is good if you are trying to optimize winrate, b/c while boring, he's just better

>>163051178
okawaru, the god of boring, should be removed from the game (trog is stronger and more interesting anyway)

tso is cool because i can role-play as a crusader and i like to immerse myself in video game

>>163050709
Eh. Depends where you look at. In DnD they never really were dogs, but originally described as "dog-like", which got interpreted in wrong way ( ex. see Japan's kobolds ).
In Angband doggybolds are used, in DCSS they are left vague ( but ugly ). Incursipn seems to use earlier DnD descriptions...

>>163051206
I took fedhas in one of my DrMo games for shits and giggles and he just didn't seem effective. I had like *** piety in orc and was constantly getting rocked, maybe I just can't play him right, since that was my first time taking him, but with any other god I could have easily cleared lair,orc,dungeon and gotten statue form online.

>>163051397
were you abusing the wandering mushrooms as much as possible?

>>163051305

u should be removed from the game bec. ur boring LOL

>>163051397
mushrooms are extremely good. they are better than -0.25 weapon delay/+1 EV/+1 AC

it's been a while but i think you can get oklobs by orc which is very useful for warlords/sorcs/etc

>>163051523
I had quite a few with me at all times and they got completely shredded any time they had to face warlords or knights.

>>163051181
pacifist edains of bread eating are the only vegan roguelikes

>>163051380
Both DCSS and Nethack use dog kobolds

>>163051747
how can you tell which kind nethack has? i don't think it gives lots of monster descriptions, does it?

How would I go about modding Cataclysm: DDA? I want to change the rarity of certain monsters and world encounters.

>>163052010
Best way is to check existing mods and copy what they do.

>world encounters
You mean shit like wrecks and minefields?
That's in regional settings, though that may require you to copy the whole block.

>>163051886
It has an encyclopedia

>>163050783
does it count as a roguelike if it uses hex squares
also i killed a forgoten beast in dwarf fortress adventure mode i am counting that as a win

Does Rogue count as a roguelike? Or is it excluded because it's literally rogue and not a rogue"like"?

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did it online this time

>>163053862
congratulations, was it hard pre-statue form or was it an easy run overall?

>>163053835
fug

>>163053835
Rogue is 100% like rogue, I'd say it's a roguelike.

>>163054664
>anon, you're so anonlike. It's creepy.
>bitch, I am anon.
>ho ho, that's so like you, anon.

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Sometimes they just dont want you to have fun.

>>163054052

Not so hard because I was spamming Regeneration and got a lucky early tele and HW wands. I didn't find a statueform when I already got 2 runes because I didn't explore just one more tile in Elf:2 to find Roxanne

>>163054052
>troll
>was it hard
anon...

>>163054940
Troll midgame is aids until you find dragon armour, for me anyway.

>>163054748
Nonsense, anon wouldn't talk to a woman
gf-having nu-"anons" are like realtime games with no permadeath pretending to be roguelikes.

That's anonlite at best.

>>163055698
Anonlites will be first on the day of the rope.

>>163054940

If trolls are so easy then why is the species highscore on the tournament only 32M even with Chei? There's also no one still capable of streaking Trolls for a lifetime even if they have the highest hp and easiest starts (trivializing the """hardest""" part of crawl) in the game.

>>163055849
Not chan-traitor redditors/tumblrites/discordians/stormfags/the right thingers/goons who knew moot but choose to discard his blessings?

>>163056057
highscore has nothing to do with the difficulty of winning and everything to do with turncount speedrunning, anon

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if only I was playing a better species

>>163058407
is ogre challenge race now?

>>163049878
Bandages stop bleeding. Cotton balls are everywhere in pillow disassembly and stop bleeding. Later on you can make hemostatic power so you aren't playing with your dick all day. Give them decent armor, read to them, turn off autopulp on everyone and haul zombie corpses into a semi-secure house you jacks the roofs out of and use it for a training arena to kill zombies daily to get them better than book skills.

>>163050029
Open my Sil christmas gifts and enjoy crown of dark secrets/ringil runs.

>>163050434
He heals a lot if you drop a jelly mid-fight against equipment users and he doesn't get ganked
slimify shits all over anything vulnerable
Free slime:6 artifacts pre-lair branch finales
Ziggs give you enough loot for the mutations to be and stay great

>>163049878
>>163050610
At least put a door in the wall and bookcase the entrance until you get around to making a "garage door" with a rope pulley so you aren't having to put up with shit just wandering in

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>>163057367

>highscore has nothing to do with the difficulty of winning

Maybe according to your MiBrain. Even if Trolls seem very easy in paper, they're not because of their piss poor AC and spell apts. Whether for streaking, speedrunning or casual play, Trolls were never one of the strong races.

>>163058834
>put up a door
Building this much has already taken the better part of a year and burning down all the neighboring houses.

Also, it's more interesting if a hulk wanders in sometimes.

What are some easy combos that play well with chei?

>>163058834
>create a danger room
I don't use them in DF, I'm not going to use them here. The game is already easy, no point making ubermensch followers.

I know how to stop bleeding, as well as all general first aid and how NPC's work. If something is killing us, it's because it's more fun to have surprises.

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>>163059098
They trusted you to lead them anon. 3 people are dead.

>>163059249
Anything not frail?

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>>163059267
And that trust has not been broken yet. They're all well fed and have survived the first year in relative peace.

If they die within the walls of Fort McFaggot, it's on them. I've already given them all solid weapons and armor as well as a well lit court yard to shoot the shit and eat all the biscuits in. The least they can do is defend themselves while I'm making more biscuits.

>>163053862
W-why didn't you explore all of D1?

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fug i better grab some books from the library shelves and run

im thinking i should open that window and shoot those all to death it will make the place even more doomed but should give me hopefuly more of a chance to grab as many books as possible

>>163059530
>pastels on medium grey
Sexy.

>>163059408
>pic
that was a fun campaign

>>163059530
No, you should run. Use view items nearby to see if there's something you want to really fight for in a week or so but yeah no it's leave time.

>>163059530
the fug
im standing at the window waiting for them to come in range but they are just standing there

>>163059249

HOGl DrMo

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>>163059915
fuck forgot picture
>>163059784
yeah i am thinking i may do that

>>163060053
You can try a shout. Otherwise just throw a book

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Anyone know what's causing otherwise identical weapons to refuse to stack in inventory?

>beretta M9
>crossbow
>M249
>remington 870
>ruger 10/22

They all seem to stack fine except for one of them on the stack. I've got 7 870's, and 6 stacked fine.

This is driving me insane.

>>163060347
The game is a poorly coded spaghetti heap. Probably something stemming from unmaintained code when the magazine update went in.

>>163060347
Could be a dot of burn damage, casings (they're wonky as of lately) or rounding in item damage.
>>163060783
Believe or not, it's one of the cleaner rls (in b4 "not a roguelike") out there. *bands tend to have much, much worse code, especially the recursive forks.

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>>163060974
>rounding of item damage
My pair of M249's are both ++ and I can't repair them again.

I just want to stack everything neatly.

I also just discovered this is the gun I've been considering firing from the hip. No wonder it suggests having 115 strength to fire in burst.

I'm still going to do it.

>>163061370
If you have proper autism and OCD and not some normie knockoff of them, you could edit the save.
>pick up two of stacking guns and the unstacking one
>drop everything else
>save the game
>find the [garbage].sav file
>edit it in a text editor
>find the inventory and the two guns in it
>edit the one gun that doesn't match to be like the two others
It can probably also be done with the in-game debug menu
>esc->keybindings->debug menu->bind to something
>drop 2 stacking guns and one unstacking gun on one tile with no items
>open debug menu
>'g' (map editor)
>go over the tile
>edit items ('i', I think)
>find the savetest option and figure out how to use it

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nigga it's d:7, where the fuck is the temple

>>163062181
That feels like cheating.

I may just inscribe the unstacking ones as 'Of the Damned' or something so it feels less arbitrary.

ok turns out when they say a laser turret you set up will identify you as a friendly they lied
is it because i found it rather then made it

>>163062382
UP
STAIRS

>>163062990
I think I read about something being required to be identified as a friendly. Like you have to use electronic control unit to activate it or something.

I dunno though. I don't fuck with unmanned guns for that very reason. The first one will be your last.

>>163062990
It's an electronics skill check. Int probably helps it. If you need a turret you should just caltrop/nailboard/crossbow trap/spiked pit it to death, ram whatever, or just leave cause it's not worth it.

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Ok, never used chei before. I assume the general strategy is to never auto-explore and stairdance the whole level or something?

>>163063390
tthat would explain it
my electronics was only 1

>>163063425
The strat is to take it easy and gib stuff. You end up so thick large massive, most things become trivial with enough skill.

When things get spoopy, use slouch two or three times in a row and clear everything within los.

>>163062990
Tip: set up laser turrets at night

>>163063425
Explore manually in chunks near cover using corridors or disintegration to minimize exposure. When crossing rooms being near a wall reduces how much you can be swarmed. Pay attention to things that makes noise and messages about out of sight monsters. Throw stones and backpedal to get melee away from the edge of explored space for marginally less chance of adds.Ranged generally isn't a problem. Use temporal distortion to shuffle them generally closer anyway if there's a problem. Bend time non-trivial fights. Pay attention to your mp so you can use step from time before it's an emergency to disengage. In general you need to raise your threat assessment as you have more trouble with things that don't give a shit about EV or SH and double/triple moves compounds the threat. Resistances are fairly important for minimizing getting assguttered

In general you just tab around because having a draconian of stats strapped to your draconian makes you pretty absurdly powerful and durable

>>163063680
Did player turrets not get the light and night vision mapped turrets do?

>>163063992
>Did player turrets not get the light and night vision mapped turrets do?
i assume anon meant that it cannot shoot you
the turet in question was solar powered

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fug, good gear. Now I'll feel guilty if I don't win the run..again.

>>163063425

If you want to regenerate hp, walk instead of pressing 5. You gain more that way.

playing a beholder in PCB after a surprisingly interesting beholder thread on /v/

wish me luck

>>163056057
Holy shit anon.
>no one capable of streaking Trolls
I'm almost tempted to prove you wrong, but spending 15-20 hours just to win an argument on an anonymous board would be pretty stupid. Trolls are one of the easiest species to win with.

>>163058407
UC ogre into transmutations is possible, just not very fun in mid game.
>>163058651
No.

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Ammo Belt backpacks when?

Power Armor Mounting Harness and Munitions Carryall Frame when?

>>163064432
you don't actually regenerate more hp per aut

the turncount used for speedrun scoring is player actions, so even though one cheimove might be 2.5 aut it'll always count as one "turn" for scoring purposes

just one of many reasons why crawl speedrunning is retarded

>>163066590

You don't regenerate more hp per aut but you regenerate more hp per turn thus gains.

>>163066038

Don't bother because you can't do it anyway. I'd actually believe you if it's Vinestalkers or DDBes because they're actually strong but Trolls? Naaaah. Every single splat you'll have with Trolls even offline just proves my point further.

>>163067826
okay

>>163065605
good luck anon

>>163067194
but only in a sense that affects the retarded score system that nobody sane cares about

the piety loss, hunger, chance of an enemy spawning, etc before you regen to full hp is the same

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statue form is very slowly starting to be castable, I hope I don't fuck this up

>>163050783
>cute schoolgirls in shirts bullying me sexually about roguelikes
All my life I waited for this day.

>>163066590

>anything I can't do is retarded

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alright dungeon, just hand me the win

>>163070032
>how can you call me autistic for painting a mural of my little ponies licking my favorite kpop idol's feet if you haven't painted a ponykpopfoot mural of your own?!

Why do people think Vine stalkers are as strong as stuff like deep dwarves? I've easily ascended DD, and I'm a shite player, but I keep constantly splatting VS. They're so fragile.

>>163070440
well there's a difference between "strong in the hands of a good player" vs "strong in the hands of a bad player"

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>>163069792
>>163050783

Good taste.

>>163070440

look at the morgue files from tournament board leaders, they use statue form and chei's invocations a lot.

http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Charly/morgue-Charly-20161115-021803.txt

>>163070440

Because if you regenerate 8-10 hp per turn as well as having 10+ mana recovery per attack, nothing else matters. Not even DD damage shaving.

>>163070440
high regen + guardian spirit + MP-leeching attack + innate antimagic brand on attacks = OP, you just need to survive early game.

>>163070304
Bad analogy
It's more like
>I can't drink milk because I'm non-white, so drinking milk must be retarded and ghey

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ok, what 3rd runes do you guys do on chei characters? I don't want to get rocked on vaults:5 again, like my DrTm.

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Which of these is better for taking out hulks?

Have an ammo belt loaded to capacity with .308 winchesters.

>there's been hordes chilling INSIDE gun stores for weeks now
>I've decided I'm sick of waiting so I'm just going to fuck shit up in my power armor and clear out the hordes

Next image to include ammo cache.

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>>163074021
Assuming I have the weapons to fire them, what should I be focusing on? Ignoring the .50, rocket, and tank shells.

For clearing out hordes. I don't want to level the city. Just clear out the hordes.

>>163074086
Mount a bunch of guns on a vehicle, load them and bait hordes into that.
Surround the whole area in a field of caltrops, to speed it up.

>>163074215
>mount weapons
That's gay. I'm wearing power armor.

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Wish me luck. We're gunna drain the swamp.

I also have a caseless rifle and a rising sun

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Meti is dead, but this time it will be better.

When will Sil Christmas gifts become available?

I'm downloading and will soon be playing Dungeons of Dredmor. You can't stop this process.

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>>163076265

>>163076265

YAMERO

>>163075914
24th of December, I think. But you get a "curse" if you open it before christmas.

>>163072828

Why are you so scared of progressing? There's no magical boogeyman that will instakill you.

>>163076906
You're right, but I get a little antsy whenever I have a lategame character with something I don't use that often.

Fuck it, just gonna go complete depths and do V:5.

>>163076972

You can always practice in offline wizard mode. Input your exact skills as well as stats and resists that you get in your randarts, consumables that reflect your inventory and you're pretty much done with a practice char that you could fiddle around for as long as you want to. Just ctrl+R to reset the floor if you died once. Wizard mode was made for this.

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Killed two hulk on my way to this location.

Killed another two hulks and a small horde at this location.

About to kill three more hulks. Just another day in the life of Floridaman.

By the way, smokers are more fucking annoying than hulks right now since I've been trying to catch my breath for the last half hour and smokers keep wandering by to fuck up LoS and stink near me.

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>>163078120
I'm beginning to think this fucking town wants me dead.

I killed those hulk, and one more. Then a boomer pack came. Dealing with them. Some screechers appeared while goo'd. Killed all them. Suddenly hulk pulls a tactical Atlas reveal.

>>163078436
Well either the horde that came at me is immense, or there's a master ressing everything I push off while I retreat. Because I keep seeing multiple screechers appear.

But everything is going to remain pink for a long time to come, I guess.

>>163076265
k

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4TH WIN BOIS

>>163082130

Congrats

>>163082572

Well, apparently I just had to install automake.

Still, what gives? Where's the .exe?

Ah fuck now it doesn't let me make install for some reason
and I can't grab the .exe from the "release" version
what even happened here
ah fuck it I'll play not roguelikes and it'll be his fault

>>163067826
I actually started a troll game, we'll see how this streaking will go.

>>163049878
The hell is this? I mean it looks like CDDA but I didnt know it had a tilted perspective and as far as I know the NPCs arent at this level yet....

>>163049878
what game is this sir? looks fun

>>163088065
Okay so I'm finally getting lucky with Cataclysm, got a survivor with a bunch of skills up to 4, a good bow and metal arrows and a combat knife, starting up the metalworking chain but running into a hard stop on kiln. Do I just spam a bunch of charcoal kilns? Or try and disasemble the ONE solar car I've seen and turn it into a power farm for a mounted electric forge?

>>163088191
>Do I just spam a bunch of charcoal kilns?
If you need charcoal, I suppose so. There are construction menu options to make kilns out of rocks or car parts, and they run on logs or two-by-fours, so it's not especially difficult to make.

It's also nice to have charcoal for smoking meat, in any case.

>Or try and disasemble the ONE solar car I've seen and turn it into a power farm for a mounted electric forge?
Why not mount the forge in the electric car, assuming the panels and batteries aren't broken?

>>163089501
Well, part of the problem is my electronics skill isnt quite there yet to make the proper rig, as I've just found out through some wiki searching.

The real frustration with charcoal is the massive elaboration. Craft the filled kiln, activate it, put it down, wait five hours, activate it, disasemble it. It's just frustrating to do for 40 at a time when that 40 is nowhere near enough.

>>163089795
>Craft the filled kiln, activate it, put it down, wait five hours, activate it, disasemble it.
No, use the ones on the construction menu (*), unless you really need portable. You can stuff it full of wood and get hundreds of charcoal at a time.

Unless they nerfed it since I last played, which is always possible.

>>163090140
Looks like it's a skill point limit - At Construction 3 the kiln I THINK you're talking about exists. Just got to grind a little bit more construction and I can get there.

>>163088191
>using solar power
You're always better suited using solar power over batteries. The amount of power forges and welders end up consuming can be quite extreme.

Even if you don't right now, you're probably going to want a solar farm at where ever you keep your hobo gold eventually.

You know what, I'll give slexoban another try.

>>163064289
You get good shit all the time so what. Don't let it get to your head and play like you didn't even find auxes and you'll be fine.

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I'm not sure I want to ever wear anything that's got a name in this game knowing the list of horrible artifacts she posted yesterday.

Does amyone know how to open doors automatically?

>>163091086
Yeah its part of the massive imbalance between electric and non electric power. 6 2x4s turn into 40 charcoal - Which is equivalent forge power to 40 batteries.

Or I just use the 40k storage battery I got out of the fully charged but broken solar car once I have electronics 4 and can make it a mounted rig.

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Well it's nice to know some things never change.

>>163066473
You can wear two ammo belts and hold two in your backpack. Dunno if they sit in the satchels and shit.

>>163072828
If you skill well you're virtually immune to V:5 shit

>>163074021
They're both fine. Remember to should strap it cause it's only 3 turns to take it off via wielding it vs like 11 turns if you just wield it from inventory.

Remember to survivor harness a good gun like an L12 defender with shot for hardtoshoot mobs or an smg for clearing. Holster 2 higher caliber pistols. Preferably some of the rivshit that can easily kill them with only one magazine/cylinder. Ankle holster 2 small handguns just so you can field more bullets if you need to. Carry 4-8 grenades, 2 dynamite, 2+ molotovs for igniting zombie clothes into a roaring bonfire to pulp them, a smoke grenade for breaking Hulk LoS and scent, and throw wooden/iron javelins their max distance to train throwing whenever you're gonna be sitting around or before you go to bed with a ton of unused focus. Carry more grenades and dynamite for pack clearing if you know you're gonna be slugging it out. Once you're out of the earlygame, never be more than a block away from your vehicle, check your map constantly to know if a horde is/about to cut you off from it, and never drive it in where you can't quickly drive out. Forge a sledgehammer and get smashing if you need to. Force propagation and the welding nerfs can cause a solid day of work repairing damage from ramming cars off the road.

>>163092565
Seems like you picked Sokosolver.
Every level will be Sokoban with Sokoban rules.
GG.
Also you can't open doors automatically unfortunately.

>>163074086
Use the .22/9mm/metal bolt to train your weapon skill up. Don't pulp all your zombies and once a day read some focus books and plink at them. You're a lot better when you're at 8/8 skill. 40/44/45/7.62/.223 is your general purpose workhorse caliber. You get enough of it that if you're not being wasteful you can tear up T3's. The heaviers like your .308 and 30-06 you'll have for down the road when zomb evo and masters result in you coming around a corner into 14 hulks.

You can clear everything below a hulk with shit like a knife spear/forked spear/qiang, a reflex recurve/longbow/pneumatic bolt driver/pneumatic assault rifle with fletchettes/nail rifle with fletchettes, and a cart of caltrops and blade traps. You can save ammo with grenade chucking, mind your enc so you don't blow your face off by taking too long to throw. The explosion rework really made them firecrackers on their center tile.

>>163078120
Haven't made a filter mask yet? Wear a couple things with mouth RP and throw on two dust masks when you see smokers. I think at 8 you do alright resisting it. Later on you'll have a gas mask swap or cbm's

>>163078436
Got your saline solution/eye drops so you can clear your sight in 2.5 turns? Get some better eye protection so you can't be blinded by goo. In general you have it pretty rough until the town exhausts a lot of its spawn pool. Dropping a lot of nailboard traps/caltrops and then a diamond of shallow pits to reach attack/grenade snipe at for a bit goes a long way. Plus all the noise keeps the hordes coming into your killbox. Then it's just mopup duty as you loot.

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A couple of suggestion for the Sokosolver
class:

>1)

Make stairs spawn where they usually would. Spawning in the middle of a zoo or at the end of the level, where the only thing you can do is fall down a hole to leave, is not only annoying as hell, it's also completely retarded.

>2)

Map the whole level before entering, a-la real sokoban.
It's immensely frustrating to find that you pushed a boulder next to another boulder simply because you couldn't see it before.

>>163088191
>>163089795
>>163092063
huh? Just gather rocks, get construction up to 4, if you want a lower fail chance then go construct a rock kiln in the woods. chop a tree down and shove 12 logs and 4 heavy sticks into it and examine Y it every 6 hours for 2600 more charcoal than you'll use to forge and preserve shit.

Gather 96 rocks
Cut tree > cut tree into logs > Cut tree into plants > Log and sod wall. Build it with a corner so you can make roofing > Log and sod roof
Craft a rock kiln, smoking rack, and a rock forge.

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>>163093561
>Map the whole level
Hahaha.
Dude, even regular Sokoban in this game is often unmapped.
Hahaha.

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>>163093768
>Dude, even regular Sokoban in this game is often unmapped.

I'm confused. Are there no redeeming qualities about this game?

>>163074253
They can be automated. If you're using Noctifer's ++ mod, crank lasers can be made. Their low power, but functionally infinite, and great for mounting a ton onto a mobile mow down platform.

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>Play Gray Mage
>First artifact

Oh well, it was for nothing anyway. I misclicked during the tengu quest and instead of casting detect monsters, I casted blink instead.
Dead in single turn.
I really like the class, though, although it does feel restricting. Why can't I hold all these bolt-spells?!

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>>163093975
There is one - I'm playing it, and I'm a nice person.

Why are OWH skeletons so tough? I know they're supposed to be resilient unless you use an axe, but I've had skeleton uniques beat the tar out of characters that could slap the demon lord on their sleep

>>163094104
But why are you playing it if the only redeeming feature is you playing it
wouldn't that be a paradox
or do you play bad games ironically

>>163094376
I embrace the insanity and sail along with it.
Who would even play games ironically and how? Sounds like a waste of time.

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>>163094485
Well I for one think it's pretty fucking dumb.

>>163094776
You start with a scroll of cure most of the time, and you can pray.

>>163094835
My god was displeased for some reason and the fact it's a trash mob means that I can only read the scroll once and they can spawn at any time.

>>163094927
Sure, but you can check the mob's attacks before engaging to know wtf it is and maybe plonk it from afar or something.
You're not even in the instadeath from major demon territory yet.

>>163094776
Lo and behold, the World's Best Nethack Player™

>>163095045
>Sure, but you can check the mob's attacks before engaging to know wtf it i
But it looks just like a regular worm.
At least cockatrices and water monsters have the decency to be c and ; .
Needing to look at every single monster because there's another monster with the same glyph and color that has a slow-death attack is just lazy.

PCB has the same problem, but at least it has the decency to give you a whole window that tells you which monster is which.
>>163095204
That's my hard-earned title, don't wear it out.

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>solid rock spawns in the middle of nothing while I'm not watching

God fucking damn it what is this game
I want to play the de-amy'd version of slex, what was the name again

>>163095338
Well yeah but there's a limited number of glyphs and colours you can use anyway.
I was 100% mad all the time when I started playing slex as well.
Then I kinda got used to it.

>>163095489
You're probably thinking of SlashTHEM, but it's horribly outdated and bugged to shit.
Was supposed to be updated long ago but nothing yet.
(And by bugged to shit I mean you most likely won't ascend because of crash)

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>>163095627
Consider suicide.

>>163095627
Go to danbooru or whatever. This is a thread about roguelikes.

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>>163095627
Here's my most recent turn.

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>>163095627
Here's 6 cat and 2 dog tums.

>all these different kinds of girl shoes
I can understand she has a foot fetish or something

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>>163095627

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>Karmic enemies

The single most hated adom feature.

I think Amy should write a book on how not to make a game.

>>163097315
That's what happens when autists make a fork. Just move on.

>>163097462
as soon as I die.

>>163097315
Solved by attacking with anything but melee.
Wait till you get "gaze to steal" :^)

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yeah hello customer service
I seem to have a problem

>>163097539
>Not giving newts gaze to petrify
Missed opportunity

>>163097638
It's probably nothing.

>>163097315
>OH GOD I HATE THIS SO MUCH
>but I'll keep playing desu

>>163097638
Ha, that's cute.

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>>163097725
>Not trying out how bad a game is since everyone's talking trash about it
How are you even a person

>>163097951
Deep down you're only doing it to get amy's raised spork

>>163098006
But anon
she's the french beans

>>163097951
I would tell you to go back to tumblr with that posting style, but that atrociously oversized gif would need to be cut down to 1/3 its size first.

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>>163097725

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Someone asked for an uncropped goatfolk of Chei yesterday.

I found it.

http://reallyhorribleart.tumblr.com/post/154593700502/jhessian

>>163100197
Based

>>163100429
Personally I don't really like the boobs and the human vagina because they look out of place and feel lazy, but it's a good draw nontheless.

>Qud's underground is 70+ floors deep
Yeesh.

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>spent two straight days running circles around my wheelbarrow and killing respawning zombies
Fuck. I need to take a break now.

Turns out the zombies had been moshing in the fucking gun store this whole expidition intended to reach long enough to destroy everything inside and collapse the ceiling.

Does anyone have any good advice on how to make the most of the Soul Armor transmutation in Demon? The most I've heard is that you should try to resist Mind and be weak to Ice, making the Psychic Kasha a good choice. But what about other elements, and speed and health bonuses? Surely you don't just pick up Soul Armor to use it once, right?

>>163101448
Sandbox games breed the purest form of autism.

>>163102649
Soul Armor is good for a demon with ok resists but good speed. The more weaknesses you have, the more hp you get and the more resists you have, the lower your hp. Ultimately there is no real "meta" as demon is still in development and not many people play it. there are no known mid-late game builds so you have to make your own assessment and perhaps ask /rlg/ about specific cases. That said mind resist is nice, but how about taking a weakness thats rare like body?

>>163104236

So besides Body, which is rare, and Ice, which I'm told can't be burst, what are some other good weaknesses to have? Speed bonuses seem to run the gamut from 70% to 150%, is there any reason to try and bump it beyond, say, 120%?

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Playing bit of scout, but not feeling it. Feels like I am really penalized for standing out in the open like dullard ( even with the bonuses, not that worth it so far ). Doesn't feel like it can compare to rogue or ninja.
I would like to play some non-magic ranged class, but I feel like there's in a proper one.
Sniper is basically waiting a lot and then oneshotting an unique. Archers are superb, but I would like to try something that has unique launcher-based attacks. There's weaponmaster, but those are very limited to their selected weapon.

>>163106509
are you playing poschengR
how did you compile it, the new version refuses to run for me

>The arrow 'Daliar' (+11) is a 33 smithing craft
>You can knock yourself out on doors
>Artifact arrows don't stack
Jeeze... Sil's rough

>>163100545
I don't either but I'm still glad it was found

>>163101448
Who cares, craft a shovel. Guns aren't glass.

>>163105698
I've never done something with ice weakness but there are AoE ice users later in the tower.

>>163106965
>craft a shovel
I have an entrenching tool and already salvaged the area. The point is that it's tedious and annoying to have to shovel through an entire store before being able to see what's there.

>people in a constant state of unsolicited advice when it comes to DDA
When did this start happening?

>>163106875
How does it fail to run? Do you get an error message?
The release I put up SHOULD contain everything, but it could be that it needs a redistributeable to work?

>>163107114
It never stopped for 5 years now.

>>163107082

Thanks anyway. Any advice on how to deal with MaxHP damage? I was clearing out Anomaly:3 with no problem until I ran into a group of feteches that left me with 0/0 health in short order.

>>163107145
>The release I put up SHOULD contain everything
I'm on linux. It used to work perfectly before, I just plopped the .exe with wine and everything went smoothly.
I tried compiling the linux way but something broke during the make install and it just doesn't work.
Then I tried downloading the .exe from the _release git but it just doesn't open.
Other windows programs work fine so it can't be a wine problem.

>>163106509
...Wait, am I confusing ranger and archer?
I haven't actually checked archer. Looking through source, they seem rather dry - they can create ammo and shoot really well, but that's it.

>Ability:
>Curse Item: curse items in your inventory. Costs one scroll of remove curse per item, and can't be used if the player has no scrolls.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT THAT??

>>163107425
>rolls ash
>ugh why would I wanna curse my stuff

>>163107425
This is from crawl right? The god that gives you that gives piety faster the more cursed items you wear

>>163106509
The slingmaster is fairly neat in terms of powers, except, you know, slings. The other two are kind of lame.

Psions have an archery power as one of their choices but I'm not sure how good it actually is.

>>163107396
Ranger is the jack-of-all-trades with decent-to-great melee, riding, devices, shooting and two magic realms.

Archer pulls seeker arrows out of the air and gets a bunch of extra shots, so it's easily the most effective ranged class, but not especially interesting.

>>163107425
Not like curses are really any kind of impediment.

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Goodnight /rlg/. Dream of absurdly enchanted artifact cloaks.

>>163108001
What I was kinda talking about - I kinda want a dedicated shooting-class that has unique utility/damage-abilities. Pinning shots, volleys, explosives, etc. But existence of weaponmaster-classes makes me feel like I would be invalidating them with goofy shit like that...

>Sprint's already kicked in
>Quaffed str
>Kill a great cold drake with a charging flank attack
>Follows through and kills a gwath
>Song of slaying is 2legit2quit
>All the free attacks synergizing with whirlwind knockback keeping the way clear for sprint charge spam
>Double charge a great fire drake
Fun as fug

>>163107357
It's like the sole reason to sock a jiang shi away. Let him face tank and hope between a ranged demon and you you can kill them without losing too much. There's little faggot hands with it later in the game too. If you get too crippled you can use those pure gem thingies to take the edge off

>>163108437
Sounds like you ought to play some tome4!

>>163109081

>Pure Gems

Didn't know that, thanks. Any advice on uniques? Which ones to keep, which use to fuse, and which ones to disregard entirely? Currently using Headless as a frontliner and wondering how to maximize his effectiveness. Vikhor I use if I can, but he's a bit of a glass canon. Python, Ccoa, and Actaeon, I don't even know what to do with.

>>163094234
What are the sicknasty OWH strats?

>>163109546
You really, really, really should read the descriptions of items you don't recognize and reread as you get more familiar with the game.

Ayayayyaya updated his guide for the latest release. http://forum.ferretdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=172

>>163110073

Must've missed the bit about pure gems, the guide is good, but a bit sparse.

>>163101448
what game i wanna kill these things too please

>>163112281
Cataclysm DDA

>>163112281
Cataclysm DDA. Stupid complex crafting, simplistic combat, elaborate mutation system. Good stuff, make sure to use the most recent experimental

>>163112497
>>163112495
roger that, much appreciated

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I need a funny name for my cash card.

>Titsapalooza Rewards Card
>Dragon Dildo VIP ID
>Starfuxxx Frequent Flier
>Banker & Jew Gold Card
>JewCoin(tm) Dongle
>Sams Club Membership Visa
>Jim's Crackwhore Cash-In

Puns preferred. Extra points for misappropriating corporate names and offensive motifs.

>Note: 'Has Ben "One Man Blobocaust" Garrison commemorative portrait etched on the back."

>Note: "Limited Edition HerTurn(tm) Campaign Graphic"

>Not: "Picture of a bald older man with a sad look and a mushroom cloud in the background. You suddenly envy the dead."

>>163113438
Chuck's Fuck and Suck Membership (formerly Sneed's)

>>163113006
Essential starting tips - Your construction menu is *, your crafting menu is &, and use / to open the actual inventory system. Use search functions inside the crafting menus to peek at the tech tree structure (by searching quality provided or quality required, you'll see what I mean once you're in there)

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Hey PCBR guy, can you display fail chances related to fear in device/scroll usage?

>>163114301
>L30
>Lonely:39
Your fail rate changes dynamically so it goes up when you're stunned/fear/etc.

>>163114301
>odd slots
>some sort of int caster
What even is this character?

>>163114503
Fear blocks you when you try to bring up the 'r'ead menu (or spells or whatever), so it doesn't show up anywhere.

>>163115040
Examine them

>>163114301
>>163115156

Hard to say. The way fear works is that it is separate fail chance, that basically
if( p_ptr->fear ){
loop( 1+fear_res ){
if( random(1,fear_save) >= random(fear_level) ) allow_thing = TRUE;
}
}
else allow_thing = FALSE;

Stuns and confusion is calculated into the fail-rate, but since it is seperate, it would have to be displayed somewhere else ( which would be relatively easy ). I could I could make it an entry in character-display. Like replace resist-fear with sort of chances you have to use X on different fear levels and base to resist fear in first place...

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>>163049670
>If someone recommends Sil, Infra Arcana or a NetHack fork you're getting memed on.

u got some shit taste, lad

>>163115593
The catalog trolls are here to stay sadly. This is our reality now.

>>163115428
Sounds like you could calculate it for specific saves, though.

For example, player's level and player's level + 10.

Not perfectly accurate, but it could easily be the difference between
>this sure will be useful
and
>no way using that will help here

It could require rewriting the formula as something more manageable, though.

>>163115865
They're more like ologs.

>>163115593
Not sure about Nethack forks, but the overrated meme trinity of unfun roguelikes sure is overrated and not fun.

>>163115971
I just can try to remember how into probabilities to get accurate values.
Easier said than done, since it has been some time since I last did those.

>>163115040
Beholder. It's a little like a really squooshy dragon. Gaze attacks are powerful, and there's nice evolution benefits, but the usual lolslots and lolAC make it minimal fun to play.

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>>163116245
>meme trinity

The meme trinity are the low-headroom roguelikes with tight design: Brogue, Sil, and Infra Arcana.

Nethack goes with the other thicclikes like PCB, IVAN, and Incursion.

>>163116459
Would be better to rewrite it (the fear check) from scratch.

In any case, anydice.com may be useful. It converts dice rolls to normal distributions, which is useful for understanding what is actually going on.

>>163102649
For all I can say, you should aim for whatever you feel like is necessary for your run, and you should try to make your party cover up your weaknesses as much as you can.

For all I know right now, the HP gains of two weaknesses and one resistance are marginally greater than one resistance and one weakness.

>>163104236
>>163105698
Be wary that the body weakness is pretty nasty on a frontliner; I can also imagine it being bad for anything with really low vitality, as infection and paralysis will slow your PC down and poison can stack very easily.

>>163117556

No kidding, just met my end to poison with no way to fix it properly; wasn't even weak to body. I've mostly been play Crown for the quick summon/dismiss and then picking either soul transposition or armor when I hit level 5, and I'm not really feeling like I'm making the most out of them? What are some good relic upgrades to pick?

>>163105698
i prefer dark/light or physical weaknesses since the main threat is getting ganked/chain statused, not taking higher damage/turn

body and mind weaknesses are extremely dangerous

>>163118071
I've yet to start Demon, but from what I'm reading in the newbie guide threads, Light weakness is supposedly pretty common?

>>163118453
er, sorry, light damage

>>163118071
>i prefer dark/light or physical weaknesses since the main threat is getting ganked/chain statused, not taking higher damage/turn
Only if you pick bad relic abilities.

If you pick the good ones, you can let one dude eat all the statuses and then swap him for a fresh one.

>>163117965
There's a lot to consider, depending on how your game is going and what you feel may help you in the future. Aside from quick summon and quick dismiss, far summon seems pretty good for melee characters. Transpose soul is good but can easily be a wasted upgrade; only get it if there are some hard-to-acquire abilities you want for sure.

>>163118594
it's pretty common. smite does low/moderate damage and doesn't need line of fire. but unless i'm forgetting something there are no light status effects aside from guilt

>>163118712
that's a good general strategy, but sometimes shit happens. if you have to pop a frontliner and get paralyzed/panicked/charmed (or just get hit by something smite targeted) things can get bad fast

>>163119009

Thanks, I'll remember that. I asked above about which Uniques are worth getting, using for fusions, and disregarding entirely. Any advice on that front?

>>163119249
Every unique has its niche; you may get whatever can fulfill a role that your party lacks. When it comes to their modifiers, some are certainly more flexible than others: for example, Python's chthonic works for most demons, if not all of them. On the other hand, Actaeon's well fed is generally the best on demons like zombies and aspis, which already have fairly high vitality and HP and won't lose much from getting a bit slower. Either way, you may want to disregard them if you don't think you can complete their links.

>>163119150
There's also mute, but it only blocks "non-physical" abilities so it doesn't do much of anything to a pure hitdude.

>>163119150
>there are no light status effects aside from guilt
Mute
MC is relatively unaffected by it, though.

>if you have to pop a frontliner and get paralyzed/panicked/charmed (or just get hit by something smite targeted) things can get bad fast
Most status inflicting mons have relatively weak groups that you can handle from a distance.
Meanwhile light mons are often the formidable packs of angels that always have smites, damage buffs, heals, good resistances and good melee. And by the end, also powers (the mon type), which wreck shit hard with physical.

>>163119731
>There's also mute, but it only blocks "non-physical" abilities so it doesn't do much of anything to a pure hitdude.
oh, right. but that's not that bad, just use items or run away

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>>163119249
Actaeon and Headless are both decent tanks and have pretty gud modifiers. Most people just get headless to turn into a modifier, however he does have some use as a tank. Actaeon is a good choice for a frontliner, however he shows massive weakness in Anomaly where Fire is quite common and he will get destroyed by Fotia. I've never used Artemis as I'm a stagfag, however I've heard shes good for a needle build. Vikhor and Turduk are good dancers.

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>hit t instead of f

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>>163117225
Nah, managed to find a way to estimate it.
I gotta figure out way to improve the calculation though, since the way I estimate overflows on high level/multiple sources of fear-resist.

Presentation is issue, too...

>>163123063
>Nah, managed to find a way to estimate it.
That's an easy way to run into horrible code, which is one of the biggest problems with PCB.

Would be better if you extracted it into "fear chance" function and used it as
>fear_chance(args) <= random(100)
in all places.

Am I supposed to Ctrl-Q if I'm at D:10 and really underequipped? I need to stairscum every fight to clear Orcish 1.

Oh, it's that time of year when college students haven't come to terms with the futility of their education and are taking finals or writing essays.

>>163124556
>tfw that was me a year ago
Since then my life has still gone downhill and I feel that I have no future. At least roguelikes may keep me amused until death.

>>163125242
>have a bachelor's in chemical engineering
>didn't do any internships while in school cuz studying was hard enough
>graduate
Here am I to this day...

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>>163124556

>>163125371
>Burn out in college
>Realize I didn't even want to do what I went for I just picked it cause it respectable enough and got people to stop bugging me
>7 years later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

>>163121560
Ctrl Q

>>163124556
Speak for yourself. I majored in Autism Studies and have been using my degree since day one.

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Why is this allowed?

>>163127338
This glaring sexism must be removed.

Alert the goons. They'll harass the dev until he takes action.

>>163127492
I dunno, banana legs might just make and release a sequel to serial killer roguelike: Minority Report edition

>>163127873
>serial killer roguelike
I need to know more.

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Spot the problem

>>163124115
nah you'll get better stuff soon

>>163129370
forged by a dirty elv

>>163129370
what's worse, playing a memelike, or playing it on windows?

>>163129619
Nope, Sharp bastard sword on a non-versatility archer. God fucking dammit I'm disappointed.

>>163124115
Allocate your experience better. Even mummies can get though

>>163129619
That particular elf learned craftmanship from dwarves and was shunned by his whole race, though

>>163094093
>doing tengu quest when you can die in one turn to deathswords

you know they have "teleport other close" right? if you don't have an antitele amulet the tengus can absolutely teleport you into melee range of the swords

>>163130257
But what are the chances of that happening? :)

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>>163107145
>the release i put up
?

>>163130257
That spell doesn't matter if you wait outside the sword room for them to come out.

They can also teleport you away when they have low health, though.

>>163131124
monsters can beckon you when you're outside of LOS, they just need to bypass a saving throw to do it

>>163049670
what is this fucking shit op
page 10 and I'm still saging fuck you

>>163133209
elfaboo detected

>Found Maglor and Daeron on the same floor
+6 song and free trees is neat

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Jesus christ on a pogo stick. That's a free die on a subtlety build

is haunt strong enough to kill orbs of fire or will i need something else?

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First smaug kill

>>163136160
Fucking what, that's the highest enchant on a deathsword I've ever seen.

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>tfw HESk of Okawaru, using long blades
>scroll of Acquirement drops this
>must win this game

>>163137530
which spellbook did he drop

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>>163136160
>>163137581
If I'm understanding the code correctly, a deathblade keeps on getting +1 to it's accuracy until it fails a 1 in 2 chance, so the the chance of getting a +7 one is 1/(2^7) = 1/128

>>163138164
Herb of weakness and entrancement :^)
Was a waste of poisoned arrows

>>163138357
I heard of a guy with a +10 before.

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>>163138357
>>163138601
It's actually even less, since I think the one_in_(X) function includes 0, so one_in_(2) is a random number 0, 1 or 2 where 0 is a success.
So really a +7 is a 1/(3^7) = 1/2187 chance.
+10 would be 1/(3^10) = 1/59049.

>>163138791
Ick. I get Anglachel and a 1/2187 chance deathsword that are useless to me.

>>163138887
You can use Anglachel for cutting Sils at least.

>>163138791
are you sure it isn't just that rand_int(x) returns a value from 0 to x-1?

>>163139310
I'm not too sure actually, I'm not very good at programming. If rand_int is like rand then I think it is 0 to (x-1).

>>163128015
The dev got harassed after releasing the first screenshots and ceased development once they found out his IRL info.

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Any tips on how to survive this bullshit?

>>163141928
Did it have potential or did it look like a barebones roguelike in python tutorial project?

>stopping development
>not just claiming he's a CIA agent

>>163142000
They're already in melee. Bop them till they die. The zap the wizard/warriors till they die. Also heroism.

>>163142151
Wont i die in 2 turns if i try to attack? Centaurs hurt a lot.

>>163142000
FREEXP
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>>163142050
It looked okay.

You had to stalk your victims, break and enter, and evade neighborhood watch and police at night.

>>163142206
>81 hp
>almost full oka
>great sword
>also an unrand weapon in inventory
I mean, I'm pretty sure you're baiting, but if not, just bop them

>>163142285
Its this item, pic related>>163137681
. But food problems with it.
How many turns to switch to it, activate heroism and kill them all? Isnt it really risky though?

>>163142407
Just kill them and stop pretending to be worried.

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>>163142468
It worked

>>163142647
No shit it worked. Now break los to that glaive before he kills you.

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>>163142720
Yeah, i went back to let the centaur zombies handle them, look what appeared, tips?

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Autism is pretty expensive

>>163142407

idk quaff ?might

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>lets check orcish for some items before dealing with hydras
>oh well...

>>163144687
>attracts freexp
wear it

>>163144626
What's the problem?

>>163142407

always use heroism. keep it active at all times

>>163144869
Im not familiar enough with this situation and with the defensive potential of my character, should i lure them to the stairs? I will be surrounded by a lot.

>>163145035
your defenses are crap but reaping sword is a great weapon

you don't want to stay in the open for long with 3 orc priests

either try to stairdance them or use an invis pot (of everything on screen only wargs can see invis), either way use heroism

>>163142000
>the Fencer
>of Okawaru
>Dungeon:11
>AC:10
>EV:10
what the fuck am I looking at

>>163145329
invisibility may be the trick. im not so sure about lair final floors.

>>163145398
if lair 6 is too dangerous just bail and do it after orc 2 or late D

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>>163056057
>>163067826
Geez this combo sure was hard to win on the very first try. If I actually fail a streak, it'll be either because I'm already bored to death from tabbing or because of some unavoidable elec dagger kobold on D:1.

>>163145398
let me give you some advice son
do not press the tab key unless something is next to you

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>>163145383
A screenshot of Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup

Why do they keep shortening branches? Elf used to be 7 floors deep!

>>163146160
Fighting floors of popcorn is boring

>>163145639
and I failed due to tabbing an entire orc pack on D:3, which was completely avoidable

Rolling for next focus:

0 - Brogue
1 - Infra Arcana
2 - The Ground Gives Way
3 - Frozen Depths
4 - Demon
5 - Forays into Norrendrin
6 - Hydra Slayer
7 - Incursion
8 - IVAN
9 - Poschengband
dubs - PCB
trips - fix shed

>>163146764

rolling, dubs dcss, trips go to sleep

>>163146764
Note that dubs on /vg/ are as rare as trips on most boards and trips are as rare as quads.