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OPS WHEN edition.

A thread for all vehicle simulation games: racing sims, flight sims, train sims, submarine sims, tank sims, anything else sims which do not have enough traffic to sustain their own independent generals.

>Extra attention grabbing search terms for example welcome sims
/fsg/ /dcsg/ /fsxg/ /bmsg/ /shg/ /rofg/ /etsg/ /il2g/ /lfsg/ /tsg/


>/simg/ TeamSpeak:
ts3.nogf.moe

>Experimental website
http://nogf.moe/simg/

>/fsg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flightsimgeneral

>BMS download links
http://pastebin.com/2CDSgvZq

>Planefag pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/Zb0U61in

>Tankfag pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/EbdtnyPX

>Boat- and subfag pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JqTQWFFE

>Repository of various aviation related material:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3EQDvufMNdeTUh4SE9WV0txa0E&usp=drive_web

>OP pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/yXeNzrpg


>Example of welcome sims
Falcon BMS, DCS World, Rise of Flight, IL-2, Combat Helo, Microsoft Flight Simulator, X-Plane, Euro truck sim, Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, Live for Speed, SAM Simulator, Steel Beasts Pro, Steel Armor: Blaze of War, Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942, Enemy Engaged: Comanche vs Hokum, Silent Hunter, Dangerous Waters, Train Simulator, Farming Simulator 201X, OMSI 2, DiRT: Rally, Ship Simulator

>Example of non-welcome games:
Arm*, Ac* C*mbat, W*r Th*nder, W*rld of _____, The S*ms, S*m C*ty, G*at S*mulat*r
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MERGE?
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https://youtu.be/epL_RE21o4E
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>>163065174
never
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Questions about the P-51

So do you just keep the prop pitch adjusted to maintain 3000 rpm during combat and then adjust the throttle/manifold pressure to control your speed?

Which do you adjust first, prop pitch or throttle? I know you're supposed to set one before the other but I forget
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>>163066942
Prop first, if I recall. The prop, as a constant-speed type, sets RPM and the throttle sets manifold pressure, but you need sufficient manifold pressure to maintain desired RPM. Once it has enough, the prop will increase pitch with manifold pressure to produce more power and get you more airspeed. Don't think of the throttle like the accelerator pedal in a car where more throttle = more rpm, you want your engine running at a mostly constant RPM, but use the throttle to vary the manifold pressure and therefore the power output.
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whats teh coolest turboprop military aircraft
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>>163069398
There aren't that many that aren't transports, I Super Tucano is super neato. But for cool factor it's probably the Tu-95.
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I'm fed up waiting for Viggen, I think I'll set up and learn to BMS when I wake up.
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one more for you faggots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62nA2B7Ke_U
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>>163069398
b e a r
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>>163073202
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>>163073293
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>thread could be a nice lively thread talking about all sorts of military games
>one autists flips his shit everytime someone mentions merge
>thread stays a dead barren wasteland
Thank you one autist for ruining fucking everything.
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>>163074027
It's not the one autist anon. It's the autists from a3g. I would love an expanded and active general but a3g has such a cancerous community that they didn't die from inactivity, they literally shitposted themselves to death.
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>putting all graphics to highest makes FPS stay maxed out

>it was lagging the fuck out on medium

explain pls, even big cities dont faze it now
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>>163075064
sorry i broked it
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>>163074027
We're not merging. It's not one autist sperging about the merge, it's one autist pushing for it and the sane members of the general saying no
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The thread is dead either way. Doesn't matter if we merge or not.
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ITT: Post your ideal DCS module.
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>>163077417
We need the Bucc as a proper module
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>>163077572
>>163077417
Or a Jaguar GR1B
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>>163077883
Stop - my erection can only get so big
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>>163077940
>Jag GR1B
>Gulf War upgrade package of a 1970s attacker
>Supersonic and aesthetic as fuck
>Naval attack capable
>B upgrade package gives it shitty TILAD TGP to lase GBUs
unf muh dick.


The Bucc also had a shitty TGP upgrade package too that was even shittier than the Jag and early Tornado's TILAD.
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>>163078025
>looking across to a wing under VR to watch a Sidewinder leave the rail above the wing
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>tfw starting a paint and build of my first model aeroplane
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>>163078421
Is that image to tell us you snapped one of the parts?
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>>163078452
Not yet!

I also lied, it's my first I intend to paint but not the first I've built.


My first build was an F-86 and I snapped the nosewheel
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F18 FUCKING WHEN
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>>163077417
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>>163078421
>had hundreds of models I'd built from the age of 10 upwards
>move out
>mum bins them all with my flightstick and racing wheel
>it was taking up loft space

>I'll never have my model room now.
FUCK
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>>163080029
What a bitch, why bin them?
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>>163066942
I always put the prop RPM to 2700 before rolling throttle in, and reduce it first before dropping throttle to land
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>>163077417
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Cold War ops any time soon?
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>>163081004
I hope soon
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>>163077417
Sounds autistic but I'd like a photo-reconnaissance aircraft. It would be like pokemon snap with military aircraft.
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>>163080902
is there more of this?
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>>163081086
If it was something fast and low level like an RF-5, etc, then yeah that could be fun. If you mean like a U-2, not for me.
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>>163081092
http://tamae.2ch.net/fly/
https://sites.google.com/site/bigbirdsqn/
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>>163081236
Are we going to merge with our jap friends?
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>>163082363
imagine the bants
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>>163080902
>(nervous tone)
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Does anyone wanna go fly something?
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>>163081236
Why don't we have a website?
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>>163083150
>ops
>ever
lmao lets all laugh at this faggot
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How good is playing DCS with the Oculus CV1?

Does it feel super real in comparison to not using VR? Is there a big difference in playing 1.5 and 2.0 in terms of immersion cos of the pretty graphics?
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>>163083896
Immersion is excellent, better than any other setup I've used. In the DK2, the immersion was great but you couldn't read anything in the HUD. In the CV1 you can read instrumentation, though picking targets at range is difficult.

Turning to look over your shoulder at a bandit, or tracking them visually and letting your hands and feet follow your eyes with the aircraft is remarkably fun.

I haven't tried 2.0 with VR, just 1.5.
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>>163084347
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/4k80g4/increase_the_render_resolution_of_the_rift/

Does this trick help with distant targets?
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>>163085229
Haven't tried with DCS - I'll report back
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>>163085229
DCS already has pixel density option.
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>>163086238
Matt Wagner said 6 months ago that this was a very cool tip RE: the reddit thread i linked.

So unless that's been brought in since then it's probably not the same.
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Day 2920: eD sTiLL tHiNks tHeSe eXpLoSiOns lOoK SuPeR cOOL
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>>163083896
The immersion is great; but after using a 4k display for almost a year the Rift was a huge downgrade in fidelity.
Returned mine after a week; the feeling was amazing but reading text and ID-ing planes at a distance was really tough even with pixel-density settings and AA

I can't wait for a higher resolution HMD, the FOV was fairly limited too so hopefully the next gen will improve that as well.
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>>163086634
is that LOMAC?
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>>163069846
how useful is that thing anyway?
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best mig))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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>>163079694
Late 2017. Possibly 2018.
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>>163082428
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>>163086634
BMS explosions make me hard
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>>163087319
It's a good COIN aircraft and trainer, but you're not going to want to fly into thick enemy air defenses with it
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>>163087357
That looks awful simple, mechanically speaking
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>>163090896
It is
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>>163090896
it's a russian plane, what did you expect
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did ww2 pilots learn all the details about their aircraft or were they just trained to fly and then shipped off?
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>>163092091
What details do you mean?
Aerodynamic quirks - maybe not always.
How to operate it - of course they did.
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>>163092298
If you look at modern pilots they need to know the plane inside out. All the parts, what goes where. Doubt that they taught that to pilots at the end of the war.
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>>163092415
Planes were a lot simpler back then though, the most complicated part was the engine and a lot of men came from engineering/factory/farming backgrounds who knew a lot about engines anyway I guess
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>>163086370
It is the same thing. The pixel density option ingame does what that outdated hack did.

>>163085229
No, increasing the pixel density actually makes things distant planes harder to see in VR because it makes the dots smaller. With a higher pixel density things will look sharper in the cockpit and out, but you sacrifice the visibility of the dots it draws over planes. Set it based on whatever is more important to you.

See
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/5gnwcy/how_practical_is_everyday_use_with_vr_on_dcs/dau6o4e/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/5h00b9/oculus_dogfight_tips/dawnd3d/
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Viggen Startup video is out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfN9fQq2puY&feature=youtu.be
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>>163095243
>chunky switch noises
This is good.
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I want to start playing IL2 1946. Anything I need to know or do? Any essential mods or anything like that? I'm brand new to actual flight sims (WTfag), and I have no idea what I'm doing.
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>>163097763
You admit to being a WT player and have the nerve to show up here asking for help?
Get out faggot.
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>>163097956
>muh sekrit club
Fuck off, reason I came here is because I got sick of WT and want to play something else.
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>>163097763
Get the CUP mod with the WaW addon and off yourself.
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>>163097956
Fuck off

>>163097763
Everything I know about IL-2 46 is circa 2006ish, so I don't have much to add. I know there's a few people in here two play 46 from time to time, but I think most have moved onto the newer BoS/BoM
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>>163091992
Some more use of all that empty space, like for avionics, batteries or hydraulics, I suppose. It looks like it's all control rods and pitch change links, and that's it
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>>163097763
If you're coming over from WT, it's probably a good place to start, the sim aspects are fairly simple. Which isn't to say it isn't fun as fuck, though.

>>163098497
BoS/BoM has more active MP, but no Pacific or MTO stuff, so 46 still has life
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>>163097763

IL-2 1946 has E L I T E levels of content. Like, basically unheard of number of planes, campaigns, missions, theaters, etc.

In terms of multiplayer though, most everyone has moved on to IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad/Battle of Moscow. FYI buying one of those games allows you to fly your planes on the other map, so multiplayer is unified.
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>>163077572
>>163077883
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>>163105445
never ever
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>>163105445
That looks like the old engine.
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How does the Yak-1B compare to the Yak-1?

Is it actually good?
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>>163108158
it's an early WIP of the Harrier.
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>>163077417
FC3-level jet modules, because I really want more modern jets.

EF-2000 when?
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>>163110112
Better engine? dunno much about the reds flying tractors desu
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>>163110112
Just better in all ways, but some miss the two 7.7mms.
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>>163110112
It uses the same engine but it has improved aerodynamics and prop.
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>IL-2 getting the DX11 update tomorrow

woah lad
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>>163110668
>>163110724
>>163111539

Think it will be the best Russian fighter even when Kuban comes out?
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>>163111840
>Not the A20
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>>163110606
Oh man, that would be cool. I had hundreds of hours in old EF2000
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>>163111740
oh fuck that's tomorrow?!, fuckin a.

Been playing the fuck outta PWCG these past few days I really hope we get a proper RoF campaign like they promised as well as a better UI/Interface.
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>>163111840
>inlines
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>>163112680

How do you fly the LA-5? I find it to be garbage at everything.
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>>163112767
Speed and ripping apart 109s with those 20mm cannon.
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>>163113225

>speed

Is it even close to as fast as any of the 109s???
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La-5 is fast as fuck at low altitude but then again the 109 is a complete and utter beast.

It might be faster than the messer when using boost but I seriously doubt it climbs like it.

And it certainly can't turn like it.
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VIGGER VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfN9fQq2puY&feature=youtu.be
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E M I L

>>163115201
2 slo, but appreciated anyway.
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>>163115201
damn those sounds sound orgasmic. If there's anything LN is doing right it's those fucking sounds.
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Are you a gentleman pilot?
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>>163115592
It's too bad according to LNS it is literally impossible for the MiG-21 to have custom engine sounds.

M2000 BTFO out of every single module out there in engine sounds and makes everything else sound like shit. I want MiG-21 to sound that good.
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DX11 soon comrades
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wtf i love the lagg3??
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slavboos out !!
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>>163116004

Same sortie
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>>163116004
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IL-2 is a good ass game.
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SLAVS GET THE FUCK OUT
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L A G G 3

Overwhelming armament)))))))))))))))))))))
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What if the Harrier comes out before Viggen?
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>>163116687

Calm down nerd
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>>163116821
harrier is coming out in like 2018 lmao u wot
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>>163116920
Still on track for Q1 2017
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slavboos out!
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no
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>>163071363
I will suck your dick for the song name.
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>>163117191
That's absurd. With what they've shown so far there's no way it could be released that soon. Maybe by the end of the year, but definitely not the beginning.
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>>163117815
https://youtu.be/-Fh3wTcC_cg
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I don't care what anyone thinks, I love it.
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>>163116160
That was a damn good shot
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>>163118305
my hero
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Barthek's GTM 7 just got released
http://www.lockonfiles.com/files/file/3341-bartheks-gtm-7/
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>>163119143
>WW2 DCS
kill yourself
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DCS: Ju-52 with modern avionics when?
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>>163119143
>ww2
>in dcs
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>In DCS WW2 you can't even set gun convergence

oh wow
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>>163119764
thanks senpai
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>>163119813
>>163120028

Your tears are delicious.
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>>163120186
>falling for the dcs ww2 meme
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>>163118305

What is the genre even called. I fucking love it.
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>>163120570
Those are tears of laughter
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>>163120991
Probably vaporwave

>>163121027
It did not need to be in DCS, but it is a fun and interesting aspect that I'm personally glad Eagle Dynamics decided to take a look at. I understand that this upsets people who'd like more 3rd/4th generation jet fighters, where the WWII modules are likely interrupting the development. The WWII modules are fun, they provide an aspect of air war that you don't really see any more, even amongst the existing 3rd gens.
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>>163119143
t. Ivan
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>>163099252
Russian fighters were meant to take off, meet the enemy, then return to base, all at low altitude, short distances. Even if they did have the tech to match what the USAAF was doing, they didnt need to. A long range 8 hour+ fighter is a whole hell of a different aircraft than what the Russians were fielding in their war.
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>>163121706
Except if I want WW1/WW2 shit I go to IL-2 or RoF
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>>163097763
I played IL-2 for close to 15 years. Honestly there is no point in going back to it, or a newbie trying to get into it now. Just get BoS and DCS, also RoF.
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>>163119813
>properly modeled WW2 aircraft
>wtf? kill yours3lf !!11!1
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>>163121782
Nah, Andy

>>163121885
But I can't get the systems modelling that I'm so fond of in a DCS module. Take that as you will. I have worked with real spitfires and they are awfully simple aircraft with very few buttons and switches by comparison to even their American and German counterparts. I can't get that in ROF or IL2 and I don't like that. Plus I don't like how the aircraft feel like they are attached to a loose rubber band in BOS and ROF, makes them feel squishy.
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>>163122140

>properly modeled WW2 aircraft
>P-51's and Spits fighting 190's and 109's over modern day Georgia
>complete fucking ass of a damage model
>complete fucking garbage multiplayer
>literally 0 time appropriate ground vehicles
>AI is pants on head retarded

really inspired me to contemplate
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>>163122370
delete this
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>>163122370

but hey at least you can make clicky pushy twisty. Makes everything else forgivable right?
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>>163122370
At least that stuff is coming. It should have been developed before they even thought about adding aircraft, that much is true, but better late than never.
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>>163122764
>At least its coming
>taking up dev time rather than making something that people would play like a MiG25 or harrier
but better late then never :^)
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Bartheks terrain texture mod v7 for DCS is out
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>>163122764

The only thing coming is vehicles and a laughably small Normandy map.

Multiplayer will always be shit
Ai will always be shit
Damage model will always be shit.

On top of that, you don't only have to deal with the cancerous as fuck DCS community, you have to deal with the infinitely more cunty WWII DCS community.

Enjoy all 20 of the elitist asshats that give DCS WWII the time of day.
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>>163122370
>muliplayer!
>mult1player
>I'm a mul21pl4ery fag!
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>>163123093
Yeah but who plays DCS anymore
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>>163123324

Lmfao what else are you going to do? Play against DCS's literally brain dead retarded AI?

Congrats, you can beat the worst flight sim AI in history. Really cool how as soon as you get on their tail they climb straight up and stall out.

Fucking amazing game I love DCS
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>>163123064

A Harrier is coming though, made by a 3rd party developer. DCS 1944 has no impact on the development of that aircraft, except maybe ED could make an LHA for it.

The MiG-25 isn't currently in development by anyone, at least as far as we know, so it's not particularly fair to say it is being affected by DCS 1944.
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>>163123453
>mult1plyer!
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>>163123994

You just absolutely destroyed my argument god damn nigga.

Fuck my life how did this happen.
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>>163120991
vaporwave
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>>163124050
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Since the teamspeak no longer flies DCS or BMS, does anyone in the thread know any non-shit communities that do?

>inb4 104th
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>>163126160
Have you tried the 104th?
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>>163126160
I heard good things about the 104th
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>>163126160

104th is pretty good
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>>163126379
>>163126742
>>163126848

damn dude thanks for that ebin post. i definitely got both baited AND bodied

Can someone actually give me a proper response?
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>no ops ever
Either remove this general or merge. The current state is total dogshit.
>inb4 anime killed it waah waah
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>>163126871
You could always give RvE a shot.
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wtf i love wwii now
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>>163126871
>baited AND bodied
Another victory for los pepes!
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>>163126928
MERGEEEEEE
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>>163126871

We do play DCS, you're just not invited cuz you're a faggot.
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>>163127247
?EGREM
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M E R G E
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>>163121851
Did they at least build in redundancies?

I've never flown an aircraft without redundant systems, and frankly, I wouldn't want to.
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I command a merger
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>>163127794
you've never flown any aircraft you fat armchair pilot nerd
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>>163127794
The only things that the russian planes had that could be called redundant was the gun re cocking levers, and what was even worse that you couldnt bail out going too fast because the cockpit wouldnt open due to airflow.
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MERGE OR WAR
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http://www.lockonfiles.com/files/file/3341-bartheks-gtm-7/
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Never seen this map before.

Neat.
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in DCS when?
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>>163129929
i dont get this meme
do you like traps?
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Thanks for the good advice and quality posts.

Fuck this general Im out.
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>>163130089
2 weeks
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>>163130604
traps are hot and not gay
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>>163130693
>>163130089
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>>163129929
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Was the LA-5 the first good russian fighter in WWII
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>>163131296

Tony hates furries so much its borderline an obsession.

All he thinks about his how much he hates furries. He even goes as far as to register for some website that shows where furries live.

I think he is a furry in denial and this is his way of coping.
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>>163131405
H A N D S O F F T H E D O G S
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>>163131405
Ivan go back to your furry safe space
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>>163131405
is that like how furries are just dog/catfuckers in denial?

Or literal dog/catfuckers in Ivan's case?
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>>163131405
>He even goes as far as to register for some website that shows where furries live.

lies and slander, that website is free for use without any accts.

t. tone "the tone tone" kiter
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Tony reminds me of those old white conservative dudes that go to church and preach anti-gay shit but then get caught with loads of gay porn on the ir computers.
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>>163131791
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>>163131791
Who invited hoggit?
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>>163131791
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>>163131173
Pretty much, along with the Yak-1. The Laggs were generally terrible & outdated, the Mig was okay but it was designed for higher altitudes which the Russians never really fought at, so it didn't really have a place. The Russian air force was used as support for the army, they didn't do high altitude bombing so they had no need for high altitude fighters. The later planes were legitimately some of the best fighters of the entire war, but they only did so at lower altitudes.
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>>163132180
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>>163132180
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>>163130689
See ya tomorrow
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>>163132180
>>163132610
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>>163129005
>Never seen this map before.

Yeah, that's what happens when you only play online
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ᵒʰ ᶰᵒ
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leave tony to me
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>this thread
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>>163133663
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>>163133875

>its a "i discovered religion 30 seconds ago and now i'm holier than thou" episode
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awfwafawfawfafawfwanklbawoibhwabighfiahwgwahpapwgapigganagsnjklsaglnajnlkgganjwlwanjglkagnjklaglnksagnlkasglknansklglnknlkgbpipcpcwaopcoiawjofajiphwijawpjepjoawe bodied :^)
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>>163135250
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yee boi
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commie pinko fuck off
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>focus on grad school for two months
>come back, browse through general
>somehow worse than I remember

Anyway, what's the over/under on Leatherneck supporting the Viggen for a year and then letting it fall to the wayside as they work on other shit like they did with the MiG-21?

I sure can't wait for that ground radar to be dysfunctional for an entire two months.
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>>163136891

>4.5 generation fighter
>semi active missile

what did they mean by this
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>>163077417
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>>163077417
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>>163095243
Does that project a horizon line on the HUD taking slant range into account and showing visible horizon?

That's fucking cool
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>>163138194
The Mirage does the same thing
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>>163137154
It means the R-77 is hot garbage.
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>>163138319
Righto. I must get around to trying that.
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>>163077417
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>>163077417
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>>163138382

>Russias most used missile is out ranged and also not active
>Su-35's would actually get blown the fuck out by F-15's and F-16's built in the 70's
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>>163077417
tfw just want to go fast skimming the desert and taking excessive casualties because airfields need to die on day one.
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>>163077417
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>>163139871

If i had to bet money, I'd bet its like on par with the AIM-120A at the absolute best.
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>>163139351
why does the shark look worried when it be scary looking
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>>163141536
They put the eye sticker on backwards
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>>163141536
It's tired, it just wants to get home and drink tea and lounge in its foppish study.
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>>163077417
full fidelity never ever.
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https://youtu.be/naIWWNxF1DQ
Remember
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>10
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>>163077417
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/simg/ has become so bad that even Hoggit looks a better place to discuss planes.
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>>163150382
don't worry, it isn't. although devs popping by there is pretty cool.
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>>163150382
It is. Anyone who says differently is delusional or still thinks 4chan is a secret club.
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>>163150382
>>163151827
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Guys, can we discuss games like a normal general? I just want a non-dysfunctional family dinner for once.
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>>163153275
Maybe we'll have game content to talk about if we merge
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>>163153275
I wish we could anon but there are too many autists.

To be fair 'like a normal general' is usually this shit eventually when it's so niche.
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>>163153275
>>163153792
>he doesn't like memes and autism
Mcbody urself ladie
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http://imgur.com/a/bdXQ6

neat.
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>>163159295
y does that HUD look different?
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>>163159471
It's Russian avionics and I turned it yellow with right cntrl + h
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what a pathetic general
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>>163159864
ah yeah keep talking dirty.
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>>163159295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAmvKMGUko
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>>163115796
>It's too bad according to LNS it is literally impossible for the MiG-21 to have custom engine sounds.

I just googled around and he said they're waiting for ED to allow custom external engine sounds. Where did he say it was impossible?
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>>163159864
It actually seems better than usual. I'm assuming your pet fetish has been exiled by the mod...
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anime saving the thred
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>>163160017
>they're waiting for ED to allow custom external engine sounds
oh you mean like the dozens of soundmods and numerous other planes like the Mirage that sound great?
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>>163161940
Will people stop memeing the Mirage once the DM is inline with the other aircraft?

It's genuinely a really good module and RAZBAM are listening to issues and correcting them as and when they can
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>>163163945
In continuation of the Mirage DM issue most of the times I'm hit in the M2K the blast disables my engine, which means there's a short time before my electrics and FBW go.

Very rarely I take a hit that just takes off my radar or something but leaves the plane flyable
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>>163128027
That seems like a design flaw

>>163127943
Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
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>>163164025
In other planes, most of the time a hit blows your aircraft apart, the mirage is a tank, even if the engine goes.

And even when it's fixed people wont stop memeing, because it still has ridiculous energy retention, and engine power.
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>>163165559
>ridiculous energy retention, and engine power.

Not anymore
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>>163161752
Than you based anime
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>>163166609
People keep saying that, but i keep seeing the opposite.
I just don't trust Razbam to make anything realistic or to realistic up the mirage.
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>>163165559
maybe its becos razbam literally makes up the flight model

also their art is wonky, what is that the panel on the left of the cockpit? its some sort of impossible angle lik ewtf
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>>163167395
Right panel looks like shit.

t. lifts man
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>>163167369
How can you see the opposite when it's true?

The Mirage now accelerates slower than the F-15 and MiG 29, as it should.

It also bleeds almost all its speed in turns, you can go from 500 to 190 kts in a harsh turn and stall out really easily
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wOw look at these ads!

I sure do trust these 80 IQ retards getting dibs on classic planes so their aborted version become the sole incarnation and there's never a properly made version ever and every time someone points out something is shit about it they say 'wot r u talking about??"
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>>163168540
Hey man. If RAZBAM didn't get the Harrier then VEAO would have.
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>>163149076
Excellent taste my man
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3EXXzIMSw

this guy makes really good air combat educational vids and hes just back from a hiatus

just wanted him to get some views so he doesnt quit again
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>>163168540
The memerage is one of the best quality planes in DCS right now, VEAO.
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>>163172170
>People shit on razbam when at least they got custom sounds.

LN seem more useless to me right now.

Nobody trumps VEAO yet
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bamp
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Nî Hâo
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>>163176805
Isn't this the one where US participates but only sends M60?
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>>163171959
Good stuff thank you, I myself am trying to get back into it and I've been looking for some vids lately.
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>>163177321
I don't think the US even participates.
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>>163121885
And who gives a fuck what some kid thinks? You probably shit yourself when WVR of an enemy aircraft because you just some blip radar fighting faggot who thinks he has mad dogfighting skills but never has actually learned any beyond blip fighting.
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>>163178926
You couldn't be more embarrassing to yourself if you tried.
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>>163123328
People that can actually afford it. The poor here rely on BMS for their poor mans sim.
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>>163171959
>really good
>sounds like he has no interest in this at all
time to bully this emo kid into quitting again
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>>163179124
Haha,
>Says the same sentence that goes through his head after he encounters a live female.

You will always have mom at least, well until she dies then you are truly alone.
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>>163180264
Stop projecting because you're a fucking idiot who fell for Eagle Goynamics WWII Jews cruise
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ded
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>>163183973
>you will never fly sanic comfy 2 seater flanklet of incredibly hihg speed
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>>163168595
>>163172170
guy you're replying to here

VEAO are even worse and the fact that they haven't gotten the boot are a sign of ED's incompetence.
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>>163149076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHCXwnjKXa8

RF-8 = the plane that prevented ww3
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IL2 update on the hour apparently.

Lemme know how it is pls
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>>163188449
I think ED can't boot them because that means refunding everyone who bought the Hawk, and VEAO can't even do that themselves.

I expect them to be gone if the P-40 is a shitshow though
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>Master server of the game and il2sturmovik.com website will be offline for a technical maintenance and an update to version 2.006 on December 19th from 11:00 to 20:00 GMT.
FASTER YOU SLAVS
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how come I can't run people over in euro truck sim?
this isn't anything like real life
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>>163195997

Update fucking where?!?!?!?
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>still waiting
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>>163197315
>lonely pilto
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>>163201906
canopyed
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>>163201906
thats what u get migger faggot
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>>163202819

thats not a mig
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>>163202928
lagger faggot
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There is no update we fell for the ruse.
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>>163204792
>I told 777 studios to delay the update and they did the it the absolute madman
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THIS ISN'T HAPPENING

DON'T YOU CRUSH MY DREAMS LIKE THIS YOU FUCKING KIKES.
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>>163205796
i fucking hate ED what the fuck are you kidding me?
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>>163205796
wow, first that mod now this

MiG-23 must be some super sekrit roosian technology
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>>163206028
I have no idea why there would be an issue making a MiG-23. Maybe someone has already claimed it?
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>>163206376
Devs don't get to claim modules
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>>163205796

I'm done. I am literally fucking shaking right now.

I'm uninstalling DCS and I'm never looking back. Fuck them so hard for this.

That shit is the last straw. I fucking quit.
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>>163205796
PUTIN TEAR DOWN YOUR WALL
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>>163207237
nice reddit tier meme famigo
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>>163207395
not a meme
its the truth
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DCS fags on suicide watch
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yall nuts about to be quaking
https://youtu.be/rtDvTmmoMCU
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>>163208652
Nah just slavaboos
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>harmless is literally hanging from the ceiling right now
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>>163208698
Wow it's boring vapor/synth slow moody shit, I fucking hate this meme music it's so unfitting
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I hurt myself today
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https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2990644&postcount=166
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2990626&postcount=160
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>DCS
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fuck this I'm done I'm taking myself out but before I do I'm taking as many of you ungrateful fucks with me in this MiG-23less world. I'm done with this shit have fun living your miserable lives.
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Newfag here
Any absolutely must have essential mods/tips I should get/know for Il2 1946? Also, where do I go to see these mods? Didn't really find a sort of central hub for them so far.
Also are there any mods that improve the graphics? I understand its as old as dirt, but I still want it to look a little nice
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>>163208898
to see if I still feel
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>>163210062
>il1946
Just play DCS WW2 instead
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>>163210062
HSFX or CUP
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>>163209548
please dont live in my state

.t GA
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>>163210062
mission4today is good site and has alot of modpacks and skins, also SAS1946.
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It'seems old technology, but it's possible some technology was updated continuously and perhaps this updated tech found it's way into more modern aircraft. That or it's just typical Russian paranoia. Either way, you can't really blame ED for this.
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>>163211546
>EDIDF already on the scene
TOP KEK
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>>163211546

>can't blame ED for this

Kill your self. I can blame them for not fucking telling us that. I just want to know so that I can literally never get hyped ever again.
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>>163210506
you're dead kiddo :^)
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Yo while you fags are pressing F to pay respects, the DX11 update for IL-2 came out.
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>>163211945

we are all playing it tardo
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>>163212173
SLAVBOOS OUT !!
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me right now
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>>163212294
stop!
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I've had to rebind my controls literally every time I've booted up IL-2 BOS. This is getting fucking tiresome. Not even BMS does this bullshit anymore.
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>>163212294
>>163212435
me right now
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>>163213214
Holy shit does it run a fuck ton better though. I struggled to get to 60fps, but now I'm seeing >120.
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>>163213214
Restart again, that usually fixes it.
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So we IL-2 now right? Fuck DCS. IL-2 is actually good and has a big player base.
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Anyone know when the Christmas Market DLC is dropping for ETS2?
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I've gotten so used to DCS that I was completely blown away by the fact that it's so easy to see other airplanes in IL-2.
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how do i play MP in il2 1946? I just want to play with my friends who own it.
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>>163216646
hyperlobby
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new OC
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So I just got my first HOTAS and I am looking to not pay $10000 more to enjoy DCS world. Anyone have some hookups on DLC?
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>>163216878
Tried that. I made a game and my friends or myself couldn't find it on hyperlobby. When I played on the game, I couldn't control anything other than camera position.
I just want to have fun dogfights with my buds :(
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EDIDF is in full fucking force on leddit
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>>163217357
ED don't owe you jack shit.
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>>163217859
we have to suck it up because there will be no further explanation
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>>163217156
Christmas sale usually starts on the 23rd
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bodied
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>WMD (Project Cars devs) sent me 11.67 more euros after the 9 euros from September

I don't remember signing up for any entitlements to profit, wat.
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>>163222109
Yeah I think I'm close to 100eur now, all up
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At least the PFM and MiG-29S model are coming.

>inb4 those get cancelled as well because to sekrit
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>>163222391
You probably got a more expensive package than I did, I went for the second-cheapest one since I just wanted the game. I thought payments were specifically a bonus for larger investors.
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>>163222443
You know it'll happen
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>>163222469
I'm pretty sure i was second cheapest, but I think I I got payments like.... 30eur, 20 eur, 16 eur, 9 eur and now 11 - with maybe another I missed. Been so long though I could be wrong.
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oh shit, apparently the Korean version of the Bo-105 has an Apache-like targeting system
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>>163223961
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Why do you not own the Ju-52 so you can spend one hour per flight on two way cargo trips.
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>>163224241
looks comfy

do you think kuban will ever go on sale?
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>>163224453
Not til after it's out
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>>163211643
>>163206664

Whiny faggots blown out. Sorry kids, blame the fucking Russians for being dicks as usual. ED/Raz told us that when it was now being pushed for actual dev and they hit the wall of the fucking Russian government.

You want them to just provide a list of planes they will never be able to do? Or, perhaps there is another reason that a 3rd party was told it was a no go.

But I like the taste of your tears.
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>>163224241
>keeping your cockpit light on while trying to do something that involves looking outside
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>>163222109
Me too, they have given me back more than I ever gave them at this point in profit sharing and I got the game as well for free at this point. They did that whole effort right. If only more would do so.
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>>163223961
Does it have a remote turret for the gun?
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>>163225063

Can you please show proofs of Russian government saying no?

All I want is ED to explain their situation, so that we don't get vague, one sentence "your module is kill nigga" responses.
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>>163225063
LNS hinted at MiG-23 years ago apparently. Unless they deny that, it can be assumed that they called dibs.
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>>163224241
What's the point of the Ju-52 in a combat flight sim?
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>>163225683
Target practise :^)
>>
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>>163225373
no, its a 12.7 mm gunpod
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>>163225683
>he's not manly enough to take on a Yak or LaGG with a single pintle mounted MG34
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turkey bombing ops when?
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>>163225448
suck it up

t. shitspawn
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new DLC when
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>>163225649

Except no.

ED can't get the license for the MiG-23. Its not happening.
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>>163228585
conjecture

there was literally no explanation offered
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>>163229165

>implying ED or anybody else will give us any sort of explanation ever

we don't deserve it according to reddit. Its totally ok to be left in the dark because fuck you.
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just chillin
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>>163225683
Dropping paratroopers and supplies to aid ground forces would be cool.
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Ded
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>G2 is a slower F4
>G4 is a slower G2
German engineering at its finest.
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Is it possible to pool funds together to send Greg to Russia and set him loose on TFC's offices?

We need a Turkish madman.
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>>163235660
Done
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/simg/ was a mistake you are all a literal cancer on the simming community and I hope you all choke on your sticks tonight.
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>>163237871
You can choke on these nuts Sithshit
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xaxaxaxaxa gulag
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literally never
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I've been playing DCS for some time, and I've run out of things to do. Can anyone recommend things to do in DCS or outside DCS?

Note that BMS for some reason refuses to run on my machine.
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>>163244272
>DCS

Play online airquake?

>BMS

I fixed mine by adding an entry to Radeon games profile.
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>anything russian and newer than the MiG-21bis is literally impossible for DCS to have

What is the future of this sim? What will the F-14, F-18, Harrier, F-15E, EF2000, have to fight?

Do they really think people will be just fine flying FC3 MiG-29 and Su-27's for another 10 more years on top of the 10 they've already done?

Oh wait, I'm dumb. They'll just sell 10 mission scripted campaigns made by the community for 15 bucks a piece.

Really nigga hours.
Who the fuck up.
Smack that mother fucking UNINSTALL button
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>>163211612
>He doesn't know how fucked the Russian MoD is since 2008!
Oh, silly slavaboo
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>>163246246
If they can't get the info, they can't get the info, you buttfucking retard

fuck you morons get dumber and dumber every day

The Russian Government is idiotic and ridiculously over secretive with shitty technology.

Get used to it, faggots, you're not getting a shitty flogger that you'd take Phoenix rape up the ass with.
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memes are the absence of wit and the abundance of self consciousness :)
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>>163247846
You are memeing right now.
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>>163247846
wow rl smrt where can i subscribe to your blog for more pearls of wisdom?
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stayin alive.
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>>163249041
sorry no fags allowed :((((((((
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>>163251439
HAHA ebin combeback my dude! upvoted!! xD
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S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S!
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>>163251469
of course i am better than you friend :)))))))) is okay u may bekom good one day the first step is eat your vegetables and stop posting memes
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o7 o7 o7 o7 o7 o7
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wow this shitposting is worse than frog/animeposting combined
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>>163195997
classic yak memes
>ufo energy retention
>shvaks are lazors ,barely need to lead (meanwhile the mg151 is garbage)
>never stalling even at -20 kph
>100% prop pitch, throttle an 0% rads no probs

bos is fucking shit m8
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>>163252891
>when war thunder babies / ralifd000d comes to real sims
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>>163253013
>bos
>real sim

pick one
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>>163252891
>Shvaks are lasers

No they aren't. .50s are, but the German cannons have shit velocity (just like IRL WOW!)
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>>163206661
Yes they do. RAZBAM has no idea of which modules other third parties or ED has lined up. Leatherneck is the most anal about keeping projects under wraps. Cobra made a post two years ago on leddit saying he planned to do a mig-23 and an su-22
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>>163253213
>DCS
>Real sim

pick one
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>>163253247
mg151 muzzle velocity is slighty inferior to the shvak about 100 / 50 m/s

yet in game it's like shooting rockets.

>>163253318
oh look, another brainded il2 pilot
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>>163253310
There's nothing stopping 2 devs from making the same plane though
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>>163253491
>oh look, another brainded il2 pilot

MUH CLICKY BUTTOMS MAK IT REALIZMZZ XDDD


Kys ED shill
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>>163253618
>t. War thunder
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>>163253618
>il2 faggots

auto pilot level flight available for evey kind of plane, even on """"extreme"""" realism

yak 1 deploys landing flaps at any speed, they dont break(nevermind the minimal speed loss)

yak 1 runs around at full throttle and no rads, barely gets any enginge damage, meanwhile
any german fighter engine detonates after 2 mins of WEP

fw 190 flight model is a fucking sad joke

forums are literal ruskie propaganda, you are not even allowed to question their shittty job
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>>163253757
How's that actual stuff to do in the game working out for you ED shitters :^)
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>>163253757

bos is literally war thunder 2.0 they even added tonks and mouse support..
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>>163253546
If they can't make a module because of classified tech they usually say. The ambiguousness here is probably at the request of LN or ED
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>>163253880
DCS is a literal joke though
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>>163253947
good arguments you brought to back your claim..
oh wait..
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>>163253981
>Planes cancelled for no reason
>ED doesn't listen to the community
>small patches leave modules hilariously broken more often than not
>VEAO
>104th
>shitspawn
>Laughable damage models
>Shitty 1994 effects
>2.5 never )))))

I could go on for fucking ages as to why DCS is a pile of shit in software form
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>BoSbabbies buttmad that people are calling out their war thunder ruskie shit
Just like WT it heavily favors anything russian because muh sekrit dokuments
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>>163254123
At least it's a functional game. DCS has no redeeming features.
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>>163254048
nice list of nonsense, let me just say this

A-10 C
1
0
C
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>1 shitty bait post
>simg comes alive

I think I have seen air to air tactics discussed THREE times in this dumb general
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>>163254163
>One shit obsolete meme plane makes every shortcoming (of which there are a shitload) okay


Go back to sucking Wags' dead dumb ass toes
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>>163254149
oh yea good cuz realism in a SIM is secondary

classic il2 fag
muhhhh graphics
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>>163254149
DCS BTFO holyshit
whos up for some BoS ops?
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>>163254212
What good is flying a plane if it's not fun or there's nothing to do.

Might as well fly FSX over fucking DCS at this point, at least you can go to the Crimea in FSX
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>>163254204
>shit plane

fag just stop you're making a fool out of yourself
did you even ever fly the thing?

oh yea no E its not enough to start it , sorry
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>>163254328
>meme plane that's useless in contested airspace
>not shit

I have flown it. I'm sorry that you have such crippling autism that you need to click a shitload of buttons to feel like you're flying a plane.


Even the A-10 module has problems such as underpowered engines
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>>163254261
>nothing to do
>>163254213
bos missions kek

you little underage faggots ...

on real men sim here we have things like BlueFlag

amateurs..
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>>163254423
>BlueFlag

holy kek come back when you have an online gamemode that doesn't crash every hour and a half
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>>163254421
oh yea because the ju 87 in contested airspace is worth shit..

wanna talk about FMs now ? bring on dude, cant wait to debunk your ruskie ufos

>you need to click a shitload of buttons to feel like you're flying a plane

how would you start a plane in real life nigger ?
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Does anyone have thay picture of the mirage I think with the text the falklands are British ?
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>>163254526
Starting the plane in a combat game is asinine and autistic.

also

>He can't shoot down fighters in the Stuka
might as well just kill yourself now buddy
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>>163254598
oh right you re just baiting now, cant defend the steaming pile of shit called bos huh

go preorder the new ace combat m8
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>>163254598
>oh right you re just baiting now,
That's a weird way to concede the argument but I accept your apology.

BoS confirmed for best sim

DCS confirmed for pile of shit
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>>163254723
DCS confirmed for best sim

BoS confirmed for pile of shit

fixed for you nigger.. learn to type
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>>163254772
That's not how you spell "I'm a massive faggot who eats ED's vodka shits for din dins"
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>>163254328
>oh yea no E its not enough to start it , sorry
yeah you press LWin + Home instead )))))))))
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>he thinks starting a plane in a video game makes him a real pilto
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>>163254812

you arent on the il2 forums, no risk of deportation mate.
stop with the butthurt defending you're allowed to call bs
>>
>>163254912
Likewise to you.

Shitspawn can't touch you here so why do you defend ED?
>>
>>163254879
>a sim player shouldnt simulate the proper start up procedure
>i just wanna go pew pew

off yourself
>>
In all seriousness, there's more to a simulator than just killing shit. BOS is by any measure not a real simulator. It's more like a "realistic ww2 dogfight game".

DCS isn't a simulator either, or atleast a very shitty one.

A true simulator SIMULATES every aspect of whatever the subject of the simulator is, including ground ops, ATC and communications, weapon management as necessary, startup, shutdown, taxiing, etc. you get the point.
>>
>>163254970
I enjoy CloD because it lets me do just that.
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>>163254958
i'm not really here to defend ED or DCS they both have problems

im here to burst your bubble, because sorry mate but BoS aint a sim, it's a slightly more than realistic videogame.
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>>163255010
So the only flight sim we have actually have is BMS?
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>>163255062
So there are literally no flight sims
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>>163255010
this is my point and i feel like DCS gets closer to it

>>163255070
never tried it so..
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>>163255070
BMS fails somewhat at the combat part, because it guesses a lot, but yes, it's the only thing that I feel simulates everything about operating a combat aircraft to a reasonable degree. Not just shooting shit.

>>163255176
DCS does get closer than BOS, but DCS is pretty terrible at being a simulator. Since pretty much nobody excepts BOS to be a proper simulator, it gets away with being the better "game".
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>never tried bms
lol i bet you are one of the fags who keeps shitting on it because muh graphics and muh tiles
off yourself
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>>163255304
i actually have ha it downloaded and ready to install for ages..

dont really wanna learning the viper though.. also is there any kind of mp ?
>>
We need to get BMS ops going, but the problem is every time we do, some fags stop treating it like a sim and basically skip everything but the shooting part again.

The problem is us, not the available games.
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>>163255438
I'm happy to fly the full mission as long as we don't do a fucking ramp start, because it takes the piss
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>>163255846
>as long as we don't do a fucking ramp start
Yea fuck off
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>Perfectly acceptable to do ramp starts in DCS
>Absolutely refuse to do them in BMS, despite them being more involving and fun

I don't get it
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>>163255962
>rampstart in dcs
>home+end

>rampstart in bms
>autistically flipping switches and waiting for warmups

gee
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>>163255846
What about IVC?
>>
>>163255846
Can't we just start in the air?

Seriously, why do we waste so much time fucking around on the ground.
>>
>>163255962
>>163255892
There's nothing remotely interesting and fun about clicking switches and waiting for an INS, to then get stuck behind a bajillion A-10s for takeoff and miss your ETA on target by an hour

>>163256030
IVC is cool with me

>>163256106
kys
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>>163256029
>unironically autostarting

Who are you in the teamspeak, so I can avoid playing ops with you in the future.
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>>163256129
>There's nothing remotely interesting and fun about clicking switches and waiting for an INS, to then get stuck behind a bajillion A-10s for takeoff and miss your ETA on target by an hour

Way to prove you're a gigantic shitter. Can you fuck off from the SIMULATOR general for real? Thank fuck that BMS comes with a forced ramp start option so the next time we play we can just exclude you casual fuck.
>>
>>163256134
>Clicking buttons like an autist

go kys Cephei
>>
>cephei STILL lurks this general
Jesus, didn't we ban all germans already?
>>
>>163256198
>Being autistic enough to pretend to like simulators, then refusing to do any actual simulator part

Fuck off cunt, also I'm not the autismal Kraut, kys.
>>
>>163256195
>>163256198
>>
FC3 was a mistake

It attracts tokyo drift linkin park drowning pool casuals, there needs to be a barrier to entry for ADD
>>
>Happily play BMS in small ops with ramp starts
>Turboautist ww2 shitters come in and demand hot air starts because they have permanent brain damage and demand instant gratification

Yea nah, we'll continue to ramp start
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>>163256283
We need a golden band of players between 104th shitters and BMS ramp start advocates.

The true master race of pilots.
>>
>>163256332
>we
You mean you will continue to play by yourself you lonely autist
>>
>>163256371
It's 2-3 likeminded people who don't mind ramp starting, so no.
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>>163256332
>Cold starting is more crucial to combat flying that aerial gunnery

take your dick out the intake kid
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>>163256332
>>163256371
absolutely demolished
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>>163256356
104th atleast admits they don't care about simulators and are just there for elit frags. You "golden band" shitheads are the worst.

>>163256418
>aerial gunnery
This is your brain on ww2
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>>163256434
>replying to yourself

every real simmer ramp starts everytime, kids skip it cuz they're faggots
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>>163256475
Ok >>163256486
>>163256486
>>163256486
>>163256486
ok
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>>163256434
t. shitter

here's a tutorial for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLpjwuEsTGc
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>>163256475
what's wrong with 104th ?
are you salty cuz you got kicked for taxi take offs ?
>>163256503
what are you trying to do nigger ?
>>
How do we get rid of ADHD /simg/?
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>call people out for being autistic
>said autists flip their collective shit
lads calm down, it's just a video game lmao
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>>163256592
Killing off BMS
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>>163256283
its the only way to play the f15
>>
>The irony of calling people autistic in a thread made for autistic games on an autistic image board

wew lad
>>
>Ramp starting is for pro players
>Engine management isn't apparently

Jets were a mistake
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>>163256643
I'm not autistic though. I'm a well adjusted member of society with a girlfriend and a job.
t. Greg
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>>163256558
>what's wrong with 104th ?
>Only game mode is a game mode with no win or lose state.
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>>163256702
i fucked your girl greg

t. pic related
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>>163256682
>ramp starting is for shitters
>playing on a meatgrind server with no objectives other than to slay autistic wehraboos isn't

WW2 games were a mistake
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>>163256618
They need to actually remove autostart in DCS, remove FC3 planes and convert them all to clickable. So many cunts would leave, my dream...
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>>163256761
Hitting convoys and pontoon bridges are objectives
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>>163256702
Sure you are greg, sure you are.
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>>163256736
you know that you have objectives to follow as ground attacker right ?
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>>163256796
BOS is practically a moba, don't kid yourself you retarded favela monkey

>>163256820
Yes, far FAR away from any sort of CAP aircraft and it's still not a victory condition
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>no increase in post count
>all this forced drama is probably just one person talking to himself
A new low even for /simg/
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>>163256901
>BOS is practically a moba

you need to be less obvious with your bait
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>>163256924
desu bos is like ruskies trying to rewrite history, one in whih they dont get absolutely BTFO by the luftwaffe: hence check the FMs
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>ramp start advocates
>multiplayer

It's safe, and seems to minimize exploding aircraft. Only reason why I get everyone to do it.
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>>163256924
Fuck off tony 'attentionwhore' favela
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>>163257026
>Where they don't get completely BTFO
>only covers battles the germans lost

Should have won the war naziboo
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>>163257064
You can't just say I'm tony because you disagree with me. Meet me in TS now and fight me face to face
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>>163257059
There is no evidence it minimizes the chances of bugs. However when your retarded chinese friend connects from halfway around the world then of course the game won't run properly.
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>>163257068

>lost the war
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>>163257216
>expensive victory
still a victory
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Remember to say no to turkroaches
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>>163257216
Nazi Germany ceased to exist after 1945. The USSR went on to 1990.

So yes they literally lost the war
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>>163257263
>Pyrrhic victory

slavboos are niggers
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>>163257352
Way to look at casualty figures in proportion to total population you wehraboo fuck
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Wow I had no idea people in here are UNIRONICALLY thinking soviet russia/russia is great.
Those are some autistic levels of delusion...
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>>163257434
Never said they were great lad. I said they won the war.
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>>163257059
It also teaches proper procedure, something we VERY MUCH need, with all the """"operational accidents"""" we keep having. When will you fucks learn that following proper procedure isn't just because it looks funny.
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>>163257425
way to justify a meme level of warfare, strategy and equipment you commusit pig
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Can't we all just get along?
It's a niche already, do we really have to bicker amongst ourselves?
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>>163257556
It worked though. Doesn't matter how many of the enemy you kill when they eventually burn down your capital and rape hundreds of thousands of your women.
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Gonna host some BMS desu later with forced ramp start
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>>163257752
>bicker amongst ourselves

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/9152-ultimate-fw190-photo-evidence-thread/

cause we autismo
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>>163257752
no fuck off weebcunt
>>163257758
russians were literally spamming aka no skill
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>>163257969
And the Germans still couldn't win

thats what they get for rushing their meme supers :^)
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>>163258057
Just fucking end yourself slavboo.
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>>163258292
I'm not even a slavaboo you weeaboo cuck

I'm a teeb
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for some reason i now am calm, dont feel the need to shitpost anymore

hmmm

guess i' m out of asperger for the next 2 hrs or so..
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>>163258496
Low energy auto start cuck
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Its like I am in a /a3g/ thread!

S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S! S!
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MEEEEEEEEEEEEEERGE?
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>>163258676
>Enfield 1-1, MERGED
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>>163258978
>looks everywhere
>Enfield 1-1, 180 for Ten Hot
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I just want to say that this is this thread has been a greatest hits of all the best and most fun to read flavors of shitposting I've seen in /simg/.

Thank you.
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>>163259070
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>>163259021
>Mfw
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dieseli mersu raivoaa
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>>163259070
This
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Does learning the electrical shit in aircraft increase your chances of limping home successfully if you get hit?
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>>163261978
Not really
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>>163261978
Possibly
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>>163261826
stop stealing my animu pictures
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>>163261978
A hit is likely to just fuck everything up since missiles have rings of shrapnel. Better to be conscious of your fuel level and to check for fuel leaks manually if your instruments lose power, and then try to judge how fast you can afford to go home.
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>>163263201
Yeah but a glancing flak hit or smalls arms fire i mean
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im using an FFB stick in the mi-8

to be a realistic representation of the actual controls, is the stick supposed to stay where I let it go OR is it supposed to re-center and only stay where I leave it if I hit trim?
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>>163264123
Isn't that a sidewinder feature for """easy mode""" prop planes flying? That shit was absolute cancer back in the day, fuck those scrubs.
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>>163264514
Making it more realistic is easymode?
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>>163254048
Thank god it is outside of your budget as well.

>It is always the poor that complain the loudest
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>>163264514
>auto-centering is easy mode

????
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>Jack embarrassing himself with his childish posts on other forums

as per
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>>163266849
Be honest, is there anyone on /simg/ who isn't childish?
>tony 'favela' memekid
>operatorjerk
>harmtard
>bmshost who admitted to trolling this thread with his friends
>all the other meming underage kids from TS
The only mature person in here is Greg and he was driven away by false accusations.
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>>163265889
I have a job, I can afford modules mate. I just don't wanna waste my money on shit
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>>163267092
>The only mature person in here is Greg and he was driven away by false accusations.

That's a good one, got a giggle out of me.

Cheers.
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>>163267325
>helps people out
>doesn't meme during ops
>actually plays BMS
>plays with a fucking xbox controller and still better than most of the shitters here
Yeah, haha, real funny right?
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>>163267423
>plays with a fucking xbox controller

is this real
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>>163267423
I remember when he sperged out and tried teamkilling me because I flew too close to him.

Quality player
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>>163267423
>not steam controller
stay fucking pleb
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>>163164839
>and see what happens

you take for a ride around your local area because every flying enthusiast Ive ever met was really nice
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>>163267423
Greg, come on now.
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We should write letters to Putin and tell him to nationalize n subsidize ED so we get civil servants making 3 modules a week and VEAO gets kicked out
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HOLY SHIT GUYS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLLtRN3_HVg
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>>163268207
perfect
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>>163268207
omg
A N I M E
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>>163268207
This is dumb.

Anime is dumb.
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>>163268207
anime is crap

quit posting that crap
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>>163268207
Gave it the benefit of the doubt and didn't switch off as soon as the obnoxious anime girls came on.

Got to the initial engagement and there is where it really fucked me off.

Anime was a mistake, kill all weebs.
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Anime is dumb
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Honestly we should just merge so there will be game content to talk about instead of shitposting
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>>163269356
What game content?
merging won't make more flight sim shit come out
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>>163267092
>Didn't get named in the memesters list
THIS IS WHY I NEVR GET ANY PUSSIIIIIII
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MERGE
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>>163269504
Arma
Squad
PR
Wargames
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwNRv-lubCg

actual anime, don't let the moefags sway your opinion on this medium
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>>163268207
this is your brain on nuclear detonations
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>>163268207
wtf i love anime even more now??
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How about we discuss a MERGER
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>>163270142
merge my foot with your arse
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>>163270329
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>>163270142
>Look mom I posted it again! XD
>>
I read this entire thread and the only thing that is forcing me to respond is the dude saying the Yak1 has infinite energy and is unbeatable.

That is the most kek worthy shit. Please, the regular Yak1 is outmatched in every way by the 109s.

Complaining about the original yak, not even the 1B, is the quickest way to expose your absolute shitter status.

I thought you were good because you can clicky twisty in your cockpit tho?
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>>163270625
>reddit spacing
>defending slavshit
Yeah, no. Your opinion is worth shit here.
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>>163270625
kys you delusional slavfuck
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>>163270896
>>163271489

t. shitters that just proved me 100% right
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>>163272525
Lagg-3 yourself
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>>163270896

>slavshit
>complains about geting btfo'd by planes he admits are shit

Way to go Hans.

Can you please post any piece of proofs to back up your claims?
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Help I need upboats

https://m.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/5jd5yh/comment/dbfln97
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>>163273151
>linking to the mobile version
thin line bud
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>>163272798
>get blown out because planes are way stronger than they were in reality
>complain about this inaccuracy
LOOOL YOU JUS MAD CUZ DEY SHIT ON YOU

Classic /simg/ slavboo interet defense force right here.
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>>163273151
i hope it helps phone posting lado
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>>163273524
I NEED UPBOAT PLZ
SEND HALP
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>>163273656
o7
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>>163273716
S!
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Get your shit together /simg/ fucking hell...
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>>163274342
There's only one way of fixing this
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>>163273453

Nah, you're just an irredeemably shit pilot who blames the game for your loses.

Don't turn fight a Yak1 on the deck you tardo, that's literally the only way he can win. And even then you just zoom away once you are losing the flat circle turn fight.

You're like ralfidood, every time he gets shot down it was total bull shit what the fuck this game is so unbalanced ree roo fuck
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>>163274631
JUST ADMIT THAT THE FUCKING DEVS ARE BIASED TOWARDS SLAVSHIT BEAUSE THEY ARE SLAVS YOU LITTLE SHIT
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>>163225649
>LNS hinted at MiG-23 years ago apparently. Unless they deny that, it can be assumed that they called dibs.

Not. Back then LNS was called Studio Beczl or whatever and it was Beczl who got all the info on the Mig-21 since he lived in a slav country which had them in the airforce. Coincidentally, they also had Mig-23s, so he said it was a possibility. But then Beczl took all the money from the indiegogo campaign they did and ran off to spend it, and those who remained reorganized into Leatherneck.

I seriously doubt they'll ever do a Mig-23.

On the other side they saying the 23 isn't available could be a sign that some other dev, known or not, is possibly making it. However I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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>>163274865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbU-UCKd3b0

10:53
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>>163274865
Holy kek anything DCS related is a scam, WW2, MiG-21 etc...

Slavs being slavs I guess.
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>plebbit can't figure out why the top ten anime betrayals video is used in the meme
>It must be an attempt to be funny, because they think it's a betrayal
Reddit, how to look into the mind of numale cucks.
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WAHH WAHH
BABY WANT OPS
BABY WANT OPS
BABY DON'T WANT DCS BABY WANT BMS OPS
IM A BABY
BABY WANTS TO FLY
BABY WANT TO FLY
WAAH WAAH WAAH
I NEED TWO PLANES TO ENJOY DCS NOT GODS PLANE BABY WANTS SLAVSHIT
BABY
BABY WANTS TO MERGE
BABY WANTS TO MERGE
PLEASE MERGE WITH /A3G/ AFTER THREAD BABY NOT KIDDING
WAAH
PWEASE VOTE FOR MERGE IT'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYTHING FWEE
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>>163275845
Hyde yourself faggot
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>all this shitposting
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>>163257752
this general would be ded if we had peace

>>163278476
he's right tho, speed is a pretty lame gimmick, mig-31 would be better even if just for the backseater
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>>163278476
>le top gun is only form of gameplay

I dont even care that much about the mig-25 but jesus christ i wish ED decided to remove FC3 planes with no warning one day to BTFO all the doods of DCS
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>>163278476
>Mig-25 would be useless
>But all these trainers are very useful

I just don't know...

Also the mig-25 would still be cool, especially if it was a PDS, but there's no way that's happening.
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simg vs hoggit when
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>>163279185

>fast is a lame gimmick

That's one spicy opinion
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>>163279960
how long do you think you'll actually enjoy half a mach faster than the F-15
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>>163279468

>remove FC3
>You now have 0 4th gen opfor aircraft.

Idk man prolly not a good idea.

Unrelated, how hard would it be to take the HMS "coming down" sprite and animation, and use it for the shlem in the MiG-29 and Su-27.

That would be so fucking cool since its literally the same thing. There is plenty of documentation as to how the shlem actually works and looks, wonder why they never bothered updating.
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>>163279468
I too hope ED kills off half their playerbase
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>>163280249

Forever seeing as it's one of my favorite aircraft ever.

Besides, fighting the F-15 wouldn't be very fair, F-18 seems like a better match :^)
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>>163280757
you're right it wouldn't be very fair at all
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>>163280618
Impossible
>>
Did autismal asscancer autostart nigger shitters leave simg yet?
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>>163281902
Nope cause your still here apparently.
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>>163281089

Literally baited. Physically bodied.
>>
Come play BoS la's
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>>163280738
Just because a tumor is big doesnt mean its vital
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Do piltos even lift?
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Can I talk about ARMA here? A3G died years ago, but I still had fun with those buncha autists.

Anybody here in a group / unit / whatever for ARMA 3? Would like to get back into running operations with some fellow autists.
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>>163282308

I will when I get home.

>tfw hoggit is seeing the light on how much better IL2 is than DCS
>hardcore DCS shills are getting blown the fuck out left and right
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>>163284604
I feel like I blew that Toudou shitter out pretty hard.

I don't even know where these people come from. According to him, hit detection has nothing to do with the engine.

It's fucking incredible what they actually believe.
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>>163285159
What's a toudou
>>
Just for fun, can someone quickly check how populated DCS's WWII servers are?
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>>163286098
This shitter.
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>>163286280

Yeah I saw this, what the literal fuck did he mean by this.
>>
Reminder that Soviet/Russian pilots and crewmen aren't any better than their Arab counterparts.
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hol up

*smacks lips*
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>>163284507
Arma is always welcome here. Just ignore the autists yelling at you.
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>>163288019
Why don't they just redesign the MiG-29 to fill in the space between the engines with a fuel tank if literally every MiG-29 ever is always using at least 1 drop tank? Even the MiG-35 has this flaw.
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>>163288201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26xbzTQfraI

M i G
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>>163288201

Why don't they just make the fuel tanks on the wings of the F-15 permanent???
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>>163288872
Not an argument.
>>
boom(p)
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>>163288201
The solution already exists, it's called making the MiG THICC
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>>163289237

So you're saying the MiG should basically have a permanent external fuel tank? One that would negatively effect aerodynamics at all times since you wouldn't be able to jettison it?

What do you mean by this??
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>>163291806
>>163291927
BTFO
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>>163291806
F A T B A C K
F
A
T
B
A
C
K
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>>163282072
>Implying I autostart
>Implying autismal asscancer autostart nigger shitters aren't the cancer killing SIMG
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>>163292489
manual cuck is jealous that i can do nothing and still start up faster.
>>
The only thing I autostart is the fucking Mi-8.

I hate that thing.
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>>163292427

Extending the spine is different than filling the area on the bottom of the plane. I feel like that affects the aerodynamics less that way.
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>>163293642
>i feel
your feelings are not welcome here faggot
>>
How do you even justify autostarting at all, not only do you miss out on vital familiarization on where everything is in the cockpit, you also are depriving yourself out of just habit training for checking gauges, dealing with faults and failures and generally miss a lot of fun in system management.

I have trouble understanding how you even enjoy simulators at all if you skip practically most of the simulator workflow.
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>>163294692
> vital familiarization on where everything is in the cockpit
Because i already know where everything is.

>you also are depriving yourself out of just habit training for checking gauges, dealing with faults and failures
Because they never happen

>I have trouble understanding how you even enjoy simulators at all if you skip practically most of the simulator workflow.
I like the shooting part and the depth part not the click this combo to start up.

As combat simulator, the ones i enjoy should be about simulating combat to a realistic degree, as well as combat systems, and combat procedures.
If i just wanted start up simulator i'd play FSX
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>>163295032
Then simulators aren't for you. The main part of the game is to manage the aircraft, including startup. Weapon employment is auxiliary.
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>>163295032
Oh, and i do know how to start up manually, it was fun the first few times when i got into sims, but now it's just a stupid fucking gimmick i couldn't care less for.
Give me accurate systems, flight model, AI, and environments over a start up any day.
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>>163295242
No. It's an element of it but the pain part of the game is whatever you want to do in it. Since DCS hasn't got a focus because it fails as a game
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>>163295242
>Weapon employment is auxiliary in a combat simulator

Ok, Simulator police i'll be sure to delete all my simulators and give away all my keys post haste, becuse you do not approve.

capsize and eject yourself.
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>>163295351
Using your weapons is 30 seconds compared to 30-60 minutes of just flying and managing systems.

You are wrong. Emplying weapons is secondary to a simulator. Sounds like you need a game like IL-2 instead, that doesn't give a fuck about accurately simulating an aircraft.
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>>163295032
Seriously, FUCK OFF from this thread, I've had it with you casual shitstains ruining the sim community. You're LITERALLY 104th personified.
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>>163295540
>that doesn't give a fuck about accurately simulating an aircraft.

It's alright guys go home he's delusional or baiting.


Also DCS has just as many problems simulating the aircraft systems
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>>163295629
Some of the modules are simple, but the A10 does everything right and so does the Mig 21. You just never see it in action because you propably know like 10% of the plane because autostart skips everything for you.
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>>163295629
il2 is a joke compared to even the ww2 shit in dcs, don't kid yourself, retarded slavboo.
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>>163295032
>Because they never happen

Then play with a server with random failures on?

Fuck, flying a MiG-21 is fun with that setting on because half the plane's going to be fucking out of order by the end of the sortie. I lost my fucking seekers 5 minutes after takeoff last night.
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>>163295620
mmmmm No.

Also i don't even play on the 104th.
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>>163295765
I don't remember the MiG 21 ending the world every time you start the radar.

Stop accusing me of things just because you wish to project.
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>>163295765
>MiG-21 does everything right
>uses the same slapped-together IFF system as FC3, because no one knows how it really works

???????
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>>163296070
I don't know how to tell you this, but, random failures don't work in MP.
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>>163295865

Not even him but I like how you call him a slavboo even though he made no mention to it at all.


Honestly all of you are fucking retarded for swallowing this bait whole, and for trying to dictate how others are allowed/supposed to enjoy it ebin realisms simulatorz.


Basically, who cares??????????????

Everyone gets what they want out of their game. How can you honestly be mad at others for not getting the same actual autis-

Oh, right.
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>>163296392
i mean, Leatherneck refusing to fix their broken shithouse module is effectively identical to having random failures on, anon.
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>>163296683
touche.
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>>163296459
playing il2 at all is massive flaming homo slavboo bait already, only retarded slavboos play this shit game
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So i have about 2gb worth of aerofax pdfs on all kinds of planes including the F-14, and J-35, if there is some interest I'd upload them.
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im playing il2 1946 rn, and I have I have no HUD icons disabled, but there are still no markers on friendly/enemy aircraft. Does anyone know how to fix this? Running 4.13 btw
also anyway to make this game look better? its fun but it looks awful
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>>163297039
can you list all the planes you have pdfs for first? sounds pretty cool
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>>163296950
>posted as the Axis outnumber the Allies 3:1
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If being able to click all the shit matters so much to you autists then just buy a panel and flick the switches a bit, pretend they do shit while the startup sequence runs in IL-2
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>>163297764
>playing a forced autostart simulator

literally ww2 fc3
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>>163298486
And that's fine because IL-2 is about the combat.

DCS is glorified FSX with no locations and meme military planes
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>>163297278
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>>163298634
So is Ace Combat.

IL-2 is glorified War Thunder with no locations and meme military planes.
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>>163298634
>And that's fine
I rest my case, who are you in TS so I can just mute you because your opinions are just irredeemable shit.
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>>163298828
Harmless
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>>163298828
Greg
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>>163299061

That's dead ass not my dood behavior

brb unliking, unfavoriting, unsubscribing ur youtube channel
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>>163298828
Come in TS and voice your grievances with me you shitter

>>163298820
IL-2 will have 3 main maps by June 2017.

DCS will have 2 that aren't even on the same install and both have fucking nothing to do
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>>163299840
>paying $60 for a change in scenery

no thanks my man I'm still not interested whatsoever.
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>>163299940

IL:2 expansion costs like 45 dollars, and all you get is a full map and only around 12 new planes.

In DCS a new map purchase will cost you 60 dollars, but because it costs more it means its much better. Plus you get to play it on a totally seperate install so you aren't tainted by plebs that didn't hand over 60 dollars for literally nothing more than a terrain that was 10% finished.

IL-2 BTFO'd the FUCK out for all eternity
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>>163299940
>>163300263
On top of this you also get a plane that barely works on release and will more than likely have no historical opponents for 60 bucks!
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>>163298773
can you upload the Bell Ah-1 Cobra Variants pls?
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>>163300263
>12 new planes with bad flight models and cockpits that don't do anything

>planes that will now be on every fucking MP server and you cannot play whatsoever unless you buy the expansions
>these will crowd out spawns for older content, meaning you don't get to fucking spawn into the populated MP servers

sounds like fun, anon
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>>163300785
what did he mean by this?
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>>163300785
That couldn't be more wrong but okay
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>>163300906
>want to play Bf. 109 F-4
>only one airfield supports them because the server has attempted to implement all planes with limited space available, all slots are taken
>leave server

sasuga
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>>163301042
kys wat
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>>163301042

There is no slots you fucktard.

Confirmed for having LITERALLY never played.

Stop responding to this master baiter.
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>>163301308
slots, remaining aircraft, whatever.

Maybe krautniggers just need to get shot down by Yaks less.
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Y'all can already lynch me for being a fan of DCS 1944, but I can'tell defend ED anymore. I took a lot of time out to prove that the Spitfire IX used 150 octane fuel operationally, but no according to ED:

>apparently the massive defensive effort expended on the V1 offensive by 150 octane fueled Spitfire IXs in June, July and August 1944, was just a special mission and not representative enough of a typical Spitfire IX from that period.

> Despite the fact that the map we're getting is only relevant for the months June, July and August 1944.

> Despite the fact that Spitfires from the ADGB and 2nd TAF would have seen service their, probably using 150 Octane fuel.

>And yet, it was somehow acceptable for them to add the 109K and the 190D, even though they knew they'd be anachronistic.

I now understand why you hate those counts so much.
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Hilarious to see all these autistic DCS dads get so defensive over there shitty outdated sandbox of a sim, we get it; you can click buttons and feel knowledgable about plane-startups... woohoo.
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fuck
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>>163302205
You could get a man who serviced spitfires in WW2 or even go back in time and get proof, and ED would say it's not proof.
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>>163302358
Just like how the war thunder devs denied a Panther operational manual as a source because nazi propaganda )))
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>>163302358
I can'tell believe they'do say the V1 defense was a special mission, despite how much effort was expended at it. If, when the B-17 comes out, hopefully in my lifetime, and people ask if they can have an Aphrodite variant, then they can use the excuse of special mission. The same can't be said when you use literally thousands of fighters in the interception role for 3-4 continuous months.
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>>163302227
>t. war thunder
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>>163302205
I'm just waiting for TF 5.0 and the F-4 vs Spit Vb's and such. Also the Spit Vb in BoS.
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>>163302898
Jesus anon, even the original IL-2 acknowledged there was a difference between the ordinary Mk.9 and the +25lb boost varaint. Grow up, the Spit will more than outmatch the K4 and D9 when flown properly. This isnt war thunder, real tactics dictate the fight here.
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Using the rudder to aim is shit senpai
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The Bf 109 F4 is the peak of 109 fighter development, prove me wrong.
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>>163306161
*unzips 109K-14*
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>>163307110
Which if it actually existed, only 2 examples ever made it to JG/52.
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>>163307110
>K-14
>existing
>being a fighter and not an interceptor
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New bread:
>>163309014
>>163309014
>>163309014
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>>163295242
Simulators aren't for me? Then can you tell my employer so I don't have to go and do recurrency checks on them twice a year and risk my job each time I set foot inside? That would be tops.

Maybe, Autismo Alex, it could seep into your brain that people get different levels of enjoyment out of doing differing levels of shit in what is more or less and electronic lego set, and those of us who sit in an aircraft seat for a job don't feel like running checklists in our time off. Just a thought.
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>>163303656
>when.jpg

>TF are 90% confident of VR support
>muhduck.jpg
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