/simg/ - Simulation Games General

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The plot thickens.

Your favorite flight sim is not even a real simulator.

>>163309221
Oh shit...

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Post overrated shit.

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4th for real simulators

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post your favorite ED cockteases and lies.

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>>163309364

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>>163309364

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>>163309519

Now you've pissed me off.

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>>163310241

Hello,hoggit.

>Mig-23 now being made by a trustworthy dev
>Mig-23 closer to completion than thought
>razbam free to start another project
Apologize

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oh yes bby

>>163310712
We don't know this for sure anon. I just wish ED would at least tell us what's going on.

DCS and combat sims are a joke.

>>163311134
you're welcome to leave.

>>163310712
Oh look, a perfect opportunity to announce the start of an F-4 Phantom module. Or a Mig-25. Or improve FC3 planes, or an actual campaign system ,or proper ground units. Or literally everything else that the community at large have been asking for since 2008.

But they fucking won't, it'll be some mediocre shitbox plane from some kip state or other that nobody is asking for, but will buy anyway because gotta catch 'em all.

Apparently on the Russian side of the forums ED is reconsidering allowing/making FC3 (su-27 and F-15) tier aircraft for DCS again due to their popularity. How do you feel about this /simg/?

Will 2017 the year that 2016 was promised to us for DCS?

>>163312795
no

>>163312735
I'd like if it was used only for roles that don't currently have. Something like a small AWACS (E-2 comes to mind) that would be a cool experience to crew and unique role, but the not worth the effort of a full time module. Planes with a single gimmick like the F-117 would also be better suited to FC3.

>>163312735

Can you link please?

>>163312735
No but maybe more m2k tier planes

>>163309398
>mission and campaign DLCs were what the community wanted the least
>they're the only thing ED is making now

How do you fuck up like this?

>>163309221
All this means is that LN actually is working on it, but we're not going to see it after they'd run through 2-3 other modules.

Most of the fags here will have lost interest in flight sims by the time it comes out.

>>163312735
The only people who cry about 'fc3' tier aircraft are autis fags who have never flown a plane in real life, and think they've accomplished something by flipping switches in one on a computer.

Fly the M2000, notice how even though it is flip switch plane you almost never touch the dash after take off? Notice how even the P-51 had the K14 gunsight distance setting on the throttle so the pilot didn't have to take his off of it? Fighters, at least properly designed ones, are made so your head is out of the cockpit. Even in the F18, once it's released, you'll be slewing, locking, switching missiles, and firing all without taking your hands off the controls.

Even in the MiG-21, I know where the IR/SAR switch is, that doesn't mean it's not mapped to my rotary wheel too.

Get fucked, I've playing this series since Flanker 2.0. Lomac haters can go fuck themselves, you weren't even here when it started

>tfw no b52

>>163313997
like razbam's would have come out any sooner

>>163312735
If the module is out of the question to be full fidelity like most 4th gen and the likes I think absolutely. If it's an important 3rd gen and below full fidelity is nice. I think if we mixed in more FC tier aircraft it would be better for the community overall.

>>163310667
/simg/ and hoggit are the same thing now

>>163312735
If the alternative is no playable counterparts to all the NATO planes coming out in the near future I'm okay with it. I am wary though about a FC3 plane possibly meaning a full DCS module of that plane would never get made. That's a really shitty situation to write yourself into. I also don't know how to handle the coexistence of a full DCS MiG-25 (for example) and a FC3 MiG-25.

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>>163314552
/simg/ is on a mission to de-cuck hoggit with shitposting and dank memes. DCS turbo cucks will die at the hands of this holy crusade
tfw when all is going according to plan.

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>>163314440

Fucking this.

Planes that we would literally never ever get, I would be 100% ok with FC3 versions.

Shit like the MiG-31, Su-34. If you know enough about it to make a good FC3 module, I'd buy it in a fucking heart beat.


>>163312735

Can you link where they are talking about this?

>>163314812
>I also don't know how to handle the coexistence of a full DCS MiG-25 (for example) and a FC3 MiG-25

They wouldn't. The FC3 version, (which at this point is a misnomer, there is either clickpit, or no clickpit, everything else is equal) would be brought up to (DCS) click pit level.

For example, all of the switches and buttons in the F-15 work and animate accordingly. The difference, you just click them yourself. Even the full start up procedure is there. You just have no control over it

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>>163315884

>>163309364
>most successful fighter in history
>overrated shit

>il2 bos
>sim

YOUR SPEED IS TOO LOW!
DONT PULL THE STICK TOO MUCH!

Riddle me this:

If we were to host BMS ops and some people want to cold start and some people don't want to, why should the people who want to cold start take a set back to the people who refuse to do em?

BMS doesn't allow for both unless hot starters wait 10 minutes or so until the take off time is there.

>>163313997
>Leatherneck MiG-23

INTO THE FUCKING GARBAGE IT GOES.

why won't they support the things they've released properly? ;_;

>>163318104
Hows this for a fix. Make sure 10 min delay between both flights.

Flight 1 (Ramp start)

Flight 2 (Hot starts)

>doing the full 30 minute ramp start every time after you've done it enough times to know how

Does it really matter as long as they know how to do it? I don't want to spend 30 minutes on the ground every mission, fuck that.

Join the actual Air Force if you want to go through that shit

>>163318247
Pretty cumbersome, but I guess this would work. Still would make it so that hot starters would need to wait and do nothing for 10 minutes or so. They may as well just cold start with the rest of us.

>>163318413
If you can't understand why some of us actually enjoy this shit, then you have a very limited understanding of why we play simulators in the first place.

>>163318413
F-16 doesn't take that long and by the time you've finished the process of getting your shit together the INS is in a good enough state that you can finish aligning in the air.

>>163318545
>10 min

I'm just imagining the hot starters jumping into the game and the entire airfield dies as the game spawns everyone on top of everyone.

>>163318413
>30 minutes on the ground
lmao have you ever actually cold started the F16? It takes literally 3.5 minutes exactly.

What fucking plane takes 30 minutes to ramp start, anyway?

I don't think 10min startup time in which you can be finalizing plans and whatnot is very much in context of a flight that's probably going to last 90 minutes.

>>163318635
This, if you go through the startup in a reasonable fast pace, the INS will be aligned well enough so you can take off, there's no waiting at all.

Hot starting also has some issues with some of the less used systems, such as TFR and FLIR, not to mention if you wanna set anything to a value other than the god of hotstart AI has decided, you now need to do some kind of reverse coldstart, where you start from a hot plane and still need to check all the panels to make sure everything is how you want it to be.

>>163318732
>10min

This is for the incredibly slow modules that are cucked by INS, and is still about an extra minute longer than the actual amount of time it takes for either bird.

>>163318732
I've used the time on the ground for proper ground ops, such as looking up taxiing routes to the proper takeoff runway, some last minute briefing stuff, checking all the systems work correctly such as datalink. There's tons to do that goes past just running through a checklist, especially in multiplayer.

I find enjoyment in following a proper procedure as closely as possible.

Honestly for me the 30mins goes real quick for me.

>>163319248
this;

with the VS I fly with there's usually a retard or two lagging behind anyway, I wasn't going to get off the ground until everyone's ready regardless of how quickly I've got everything done. I just spend that time shooting the shit and smoking my pipe/drinking a little.

Shit, it takes some of these people 5-10min to even get a MiG-21 going, meantime I've had it running since a little over a minute after spawning into it, give or take however long it takes for the ground crew AI to get its shit together.

>you're not playing the sim right!!!!!!
>you're supposed to have fun doing the EXACT SAME SEQUENCE of button presses every single mission!!!!

Fuck off. If you know how to hot start, you shouldn't have to do it every time.

You guys better have your flight suits on, be able to pass a USAF PT test, have 20/20 vision IRL, Sit through hour long briefing and debriefing.

If you over-G you better turn around and immediately fly home and declare an emergency due to physiological problems. You better follow the orders of the flight leader perfectly and not do anything on your own.

I better be able to ask you about every single system in the F-16 and you better know how to use it. If you don't know what in every single page of your DED you can literally never tell me to hot start my shit ever again.

>>163319498
Pretty much this.

"If you don't ramp start, simulators aren't for you!" Then can you tell my employer so I don't have to go and do recurrency checks on them twice a year and risk my job each time I set foot inside? That would be tops.

Maybe, Autismo Alex, it could seep into your brain that people get different levels of enjoyment out of doing differing levels of shit in what is more or less and electronic lego set, and those of us who sit in an aircraft seat for a job don't feel like running checklists in our time off. Just a thought

>Start up = the exact same thing every time
>the actual mission = dynamic and different every flight

really encourages me to deliberate

i heard from a friend that IL-2 BoS got DX11
how good is the performance compared to dx9?
i used to get the shittiest framerates.

>>163319772

Its a literal miracle desu. Frames are absolutely kick ass now.

>>163319719
Start ups are important to DCS because there's nothing to do once you get in the air. Starting your plane up is the single most interesting thing that happens in a mission in DCS.

Start ups aren't interesting in BMS because that's not where the meat of the game is. If I wanted to sit on a runway and start my plane up I'd just play DCS.

>>163319772
Game still looks like LOMAC

>>163319829
lovely
i was getting tired of having to play at 30 fps no matter wich graphic preset i chose
cant wait to try it

>>163319772
I went from just barely reaching 60 when nothing was happening to often seeing >100. It's a huge difference.

>>163319952
>often
its more about minimum framerates than average
doesnt matter if you reach 900 fps flying alone if ur fps dip to 12 in an important dogfight

>>163320101
I haven't seen it dip below 60 yet. 70 is the worst I recall seeing. DX11 is a game changer for IL-2 and turned my opinion of the game around.

>>163319616
>those of us who sit in an aircraft seat for a job don't feel like running checklists in our time off.
stop making shit up

And stop complaining that people who aren't flying planes IRL (ie. everyone ITT), actually do want to simulate the whole experience, not just a part of it.

If you don't get how some of us enjoy cold starts even if we do it 200 times, then you're free to not join the next BMS ops. We'll keep doing them and you can either accept this fact and wait in the lobby for 10 minutes like a cuck, or join in and maybe have some fun for once in your miserable life.

>>163320181

>implying there is any """""""""""BMS ops""""""""""""

You playing by your self doesn't count btw

>>163320368
We've had some few days ago, they happen mostlmy during yuropoor times though, so there's a good chance you won't see them if you're from the other side of the pond.

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>>163320181
>stop making shit up

Okay.

But my point isn't to get into a pissing contest or force you not to cold start. My point was directed at those who say things like "if you use autostart you should stop playing simulations". I come from the "I couldn't give a fuck what you like, let me enjoy what I do" school of thought mate.

>>163319616
>those of us who sit in an aircraft seat for a job don't feel like running checklists in our time off

>mfw the f/a-18 pilot that leads my VS is an absolute stickler for procedure and we have to do exactly by the Navy's book every fucking time
>i'm just a stoner that likes flight vidya, wtf man

>>163320697

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>>163320697
You're free to be edgy with your attitude, and considering that you're not a regular, it's easy to see why nobody would play with you.

Get back to 104th.

Nice photoshop skills though brah.

>>163320697
dayum

>>163320697
why the fuck are you showing off dumbass, jesus christ do you even pay attention to the fucking briefings?

>>163320697

get your korean ass back to work instead of shitposting from a shut down plane that you're not flying.

Grease monkeys shouldn't make shit up like this.

>>163320882
>Nice photoshop skills though brah.
>>163321117
>Grease monkeys shouldn't make shit up like this.

You should definitely have led with that one mate, works much better.

>>163321301
You should lead with a strong rope around your neck, faggot.

>>163321432
Again, my point is we don't all like the same things - unlike you I don't enjoy auto-erotic asphyxiation

>captcha RUE FEDORA
I'm ruing it alright

I wish more BoS skins were generic instead of having ace markings and shit.

>>163321565
RoF had the same problem.

777 doesn't seem to understand that I don't care about roleplaying an ass pilto, I just want to be a random schmuck in a plane.

>>163321520
Yea well my point is you're a faggot.

>>163321520
>my point is we don't all like the same things
My point is that why should people who like cold starts should take a seat back to people who don't like them?

BMS doesn't really support running both in a multiplayer environment and everytime we run BMS ops with cold starts it takes minutes until someone comes in, complaints about it and leaves.

What do you want us to do? Suspend our fun so you can have yours? Nah fuck that.

Are you fuckers seriously arguing over this? Yeah some people like A and some people like B. Does that make any difference? Is that in any way important?

>>163321662
Shit the skins forum section is also filled with ace skins.

>>163321769
It is as evidently some fags ITT would rather commit suicide than to try something new for once.

I swear most of you who complain about cold starts have literally never cold started the falcon ever and don't know anything about it.

>>163321872
AY YO
*smacks lips*
HOL UP
*waves finger niggerishly*
YOU BE SAYING
*drops EBT card*
THAT FLIGHT SIM AUTISTS
*gives birth*
ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE?

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>>163309014
w-whats your record altitude guys?

>>163322228
It's more like ADD fags demonstrating an almost child like incapability to show any sort of patience.

Seeing people pickle their bombs, hit targets, turn around and immediately exiting the aircraft mid flight in BMS and going AFK to wait for the next ops is an insult to those of us who would like to take it a little more serious. We see this shit as you people see 104th fags.

You want to find out why BMS ops died? This is why.

>>163320697
what plane my dood?

>>163322554

Well maybe you could play with the people who want to play seriously? I'm not trying to be rude here, but wouldn't that be for the best?

>>163322761
A baby Dash 8

>>163322790
I am already, we're having very tiny (2-3 players) BMS ops again.

I just wish a general that regulary shits on the 104th for being casual wouldn't do the exact same thing they're accusing others of. Plus I would like to have bigger BMS ops, but after seeing what the no-rules approach led to, I refuse to compromise on some things in BMS anymore. If all you care for is drop bombs and don't give a shit about the 99% rest of the game, I'm not gonna bother playing with you anymore.

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>>163322843
nice

>>163323127

Thats understandable. I'm sorry that you've felt exasperated with some of the players. I suppose the cold start approach is a method to weed out the people who refuse to take it a bit more seriously? Its unfortunate, but segregation might be the best way to go in your case.

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This motherfucker makes 200,000USD/year flying for a major airline.

>>163323552
pretty certain that thing shouldn't have a beak.

furries are just making animals up now? jesus christ.

>>163323502
You haven't seen shittery unless you've seen Tony take a completely retarded meme loadout, practicially suicide the plane into an AAA convoy and exit out of the planes once the bombs all hit the ground with zero interest of flying back home.

>>163323659
its a birb

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>>163323552
FUUUUUUUCKING FURRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>163323552
I'm not sure about you guys but i wouldn't want a mentally ill man flying me.

>>163323703
why the fuck does it have cat ears?

I need Ivan and Krasniye to explain IMMEDIATELY

>>163323881
its a catbird (griffin).Griffins are quite popular among furfags and certainly has my atention.

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can we have some humor/cringe?

>>163323981
god, if you want to be a retarded hybrid animal, just be a fucking platypus or some shit.

>>163323176
They're a good bus.

>>163324125
Your post makes no sense,please try again.

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>>163323552
the FAA needs to require psychological checks. No mentally ill person should be able to pilot an aircraft.

>>163323552
>>163323881
>>163324125
>>163324296

If he joined the air force how quickly would they shatter his fursona?

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>>163324279
If you're going to be a catbird, why not be a duckrat?

at least you can actually fuck them.

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They let THIS near a MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR WAR MACHINE

>>163324380
>air force
never

>>163324524
Griffins are quite known in mythology while platypus actually exists and would qualify as zoophilia.
Sorry,I don`t get aroused when I see them.

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FURRIES OUT !!

>>163324660
So it has to be a drawing of bestiality in order for you to get off?

holy shit this is some next-level autism

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>>163324806
And I think that low quality baits on the internet is a sign of autism. We will never know who is right

>>163325229
it's probably the guy in the fursuit.

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>>163324607
>He honestly believes there are no furries in the military let alone the air force

The air force actually seems to have the most furries in it out of any military branch oddly enough.

>>163325361
This is truth. I know so many air-force furries.

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>>163325361
>>163325405

>>163318030
>800kmh in a dive
>no big deal, just takes a couple of more seconds to pull up
>aircraft unaffected
>pilot didn't even get affected by any G's

People call this a sim.

>>163325482
>he thinks that /simg/ is not filled with closet furries and bronies

>>163325579
>IL-2 fags will unironically defend this or just handwave it away

I hope you all die in a horrible fire today.

>>163325727
Dude that's a little horrifying for the odd posters in this thread that really are flying

>>163325727
Not with those DCS fire effects

>>163325579

What plane.

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i finally finished downloading HSFX for IL2 1946 and installed it hoping my game would look like pic related, but instead it still looks like dogshit. I just spent an hour downloading 5.5GB of this shit, and it doesn't even work.
Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'm using v4.13.2 if that matters

>>163325963
109F4

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>>163323552

>>163325579

My 700kmh dive in the Yak1B knocked my pilot the fuck out when i pulled up so....

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This doesn't seem very safe.

>>163327964
777 defense force in full swing

>>163329701

Your anti-IL2 bait is already stale as fuck to be honest. Its so obvious and low effort

>>163329731
>t. Jason

>>163315313
>>163313469

Chizh saying that the majority of users prefer to fly on "simple" (aka FC3 level) modules:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2947664&postcount=1520

Alacc asking why not continue the FC3 series of modules then:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2947704&postcount=1523

Chizh answering that ED is already thinking about it:
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2948651&postcount=1566

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desu I'd really like more FC3 modules.

>>163330682
Huh. I want a FC3 MiG-31 then. Hell, maybe the F-35 and F-22 as well as the Su-35 if they were so inclined.

>>163331778
REMOVE YOUR SELF KYS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>163331825
What if I told you that I'm an actual pilot too? :^)

>>163331798
I honestly wouldn't expect or want anything past 4th gen. They can't be completely unrealistic they still have to have correct flight models and the info for that stuff simply isn't out there. Besides it would be boring as fuck fighter aircraft these days are pretty much just missile carriers anyway.

>>163331920
and?

Radical thinking:

What if a company actually put effort in a model and made it toggle between FC3 and full clicks? Then server owners would be allowed to set which version of that aircraft it would use, so either every person on Server A using a MiG 31 is either FC3 level sim, or full click, for balance. Same applies to mission editor, when the aircraft is spawned you can pick and chose which level of sim it is.

>>163332236
I just fucking love FC3 because my keybindings are almost the same for all the planes.

I want more FC3 planes because its the only chance at getting planes we know we will never ever have in full fidelity.

Meme all you want, but the FC3 MiG-29 and Su-27 are the most realistic depiction of those planes in any sim.

Plus it makes elitists butt mad as fuck which is another plus.

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Alright guys once and for all.
If you want to flip switches like an autist and pretend you're a reeel pilto then go play SP.
if you want to fly with friends and have a good time doing ops then just accept runway starts.

>>163334926
>runway starts

In my experience there's too many ways for someone to fuck that up for the time saved by not ramp starting to even be of any use.

All it takes is one asshole who throttles to full power and into afterburner too quickly.

>>163335069
Alright now i know you are just trolling.
We've always done runway starts when bmshost was doing ops.
It worked fine everytime. The ops were a success and greg was MVP.

>>163332236
Having choices would be nice.
Thing is, in this case, there are people who prefer, in a given set amount of time, a larger quantity of FC3-fidelity planes than super-duper fidelity planes.

If they could do super-duper fidelity planes with FC3 toggle, it's still a high-fidelity plane that takes longer to make.
The idea of toggling could probably be implemented to current high-fidelity models, I'm guessing.

That being said, it's not exactly sound for either camp to call each other 'wrong' in the context of enjoying DCS. It's a game for both, and you currently have the freedom to choose.
Don't think you have any moral or logical authority to take that freedom away.

>>163335171
>BMS

dunno about that, I'm just talking about my experience flying with mongoloids not from here and mostly in DCS. Don't trust them niggas.

>>163335253
>Hasn't played an actual flight sim
>Thinks his opinion matters in the slightest
Get the fuck out.

What happened to Ace Combat general? Is it being purged or is it just ded of natural causes?

Don't REEEEEE, I know some of you fuckers crosspost. I don't regularly, but I wanted to ask an ace combat lore question.

>>163335629
Nigger, I spent most of my teenage years playing Falcon 4.0. Fuck off. Forgive me if I never want to see a fucking F-16 cockpit again.

>>163335671

Nope fuck you. You will cold start it till you love it faggot.

>>163338294
Or in his case, cold start until he loves it again.

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ETS2 anyone?

>>163341671
logistics ops when?

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>>163341671

>>163326937
Doesn't it look like that anyway? That pic doesn't look especially modded to me.

>>163322554
Nobody forces you to play with people who don't want to play your autistic style of game

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There's an awful lot of shitposting going on, and very little discussion of playing simulator video games

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I've gotten a good feel for the weapons on this thing, but I'm still getting used to the flight characteristics; no pedal inputs on takeoff and the fact that the nose seems to want to rise instead of sink are odd, and they're taking some getting used to

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>>163343847
You know... the reason DCS sucks is because they have no way to monetize features, they can only make money from content.

They can't fund the development of a dynamic campaign / better netcode / in game voip protocol / improving the AI because they have no way to sell those things. Unlike other games such as BoS & Arma where the devs bundle in features with optional expansions but make them available to everyone. Therefore gaining a revenue stream to fund the development of those features.

Whereas ED just waste dev time on ludicrously high poly steam train models that no-one will ever see.

>>163322554
I agree with this.Exiting right after dropping payload is such a dcsfag way of playing bms.I would like to fly with people who take the game a bit more seriously ,but not autistic amount of realism.

>>163344181
Sure they can do it. They can fund it via content like maps. Or more fc3 type aircraft bundles. Issue is that ed is shit and they havent doelne one thing that fc3 was suppose to fun propely. One was missile afm which is still shit and the other was better atc and awacs ai, which was cancelled.
They could fun better netcode with ww2 or they could have actually put some amount of work into ca to make it not shit and funded othet features that way.
The problem is ed is shit at business

>>163344414
>Sure they can do it.
But they'd rather make bank selling $50 planes to 40 year old manchildren.

>The problem is ed is shit at business
They're atrocious at project management that's for sure.

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How many people would fly BMS ops with runway starts AND landing after a mission?

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>>163345643
sure

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Asking again.

Is there any interest to having any of these datagraphs/booklets about planes from aerofax?

>>163346219
Yeah I still would like the Bell AH-1 Cobra Variants

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https://youtu.be/I70aSwFLLmw?t=95

Dat carrier technology.

>>163314157
>fc3 aircraft are only different to full fidelity ones in clickable switches

>>163346391
What is a good place to upload it the files are pretty big.

>>163344181
>>163344414
>wanting micro transactions for a quality simulator which will inevitably cause a shift from excellence to profit making

I wish you both experience painful deaths.

>>163348705
Did you read my post? The whole point was that *because* of their current business model we can't have nice things you halfwit.

>>163344181
>>163344414
So, they're terrible at the business aspect of running a dev studio?

That's not entirely shocking, there's a Dwarf Fortress knockoff on steam that's selling a single piece of DLC for $370, these smaller studios don't seem to get that people don't put much in the way of value on something that isn't even physical, and they don't seem to have the foresight to hire someone with financial chops to run that end of things.

I'll agree that Bohemia Interactive, for all their faults, seems to have at least figured that part out

>>163348784
Individual Modules are enough, profit making is the slippery slope of game devs.

>>163348958
My point was that ED going down the module route is precisely what is preventing them being able to fund the development of features for the base game. I agree it would be outrageous for them to start monetizing even ore of the game.

They've painted themselves into a corner with their business model, they can't fund improvements to the base DCS world platform without going full Jew and starting to charge people for multiplayer or something stupid.

They could always take a hit to their profit margins but kek that'll never happen.

>>163348398
They are, the A10A and C share the exact same flight model, all the switches and buttons in the Eagle already animate, evens the ones the player doesn't have a key bind for. And yes, pressing the auto start key goes through the full start up procedure, even though you just sit there.

And as pointed out, the Mirage is practically FC3 tier after take off. It's nice to be able to flip switches, what's more important though is flight modeling and the avoinics being correct

>>163349168
What the fuck are you talking about? They make a new plane, they charge for it, they make a new map they charge for it. Everything else we've gotten for free at no cost to budget or negative impact to ED, new 3d models, new flight models, DX11, fucking new engine we got for free, all meanwhile 3 new maps are in development several different aircraft being on just by ED alone.

You want new planes to trickle out every week like toys for a child? Go play warthunder. DCS aircraft, regardless of how much funding you have, takes considerable amount of time to develop

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>>163349645
Calm down ED shill

>>163349973
fuck off kike

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https://youtu.be/OOHjagp4L4U

Looks like Team Fusion is official.

Perhaps this could lead to faster development on their end.

>>163349645
>new 3d models, new flight models
Advertised as part of FC3 along with a host of other now canceled features still not fully delivered.

>DX11, fucking new engine
The one time they took the right approach, by funding 2.0 & 1.5 via NTTR monies.

>You want new planes to trickle out every week like toys for a child? Go play warthunder. DCS aircraft, regardless of how much funding you have, takes considerable amount of time to develop
This is completely irrelevant to my point though?

I'm talking about how ED has no motivation to develop dynamic campaign / new ATC / new multiplayer features etc etc etc, unless they can charge for them.

Want proof?
See: them charging for some new carrier models. They can't even develop an HD kusnetsov model without charging for it.

I can't wait for DCS: dynamic campaign - $40, DCS: netcode - $20, DCS: half-decent AI - $50. etc etc tec

>>163350079
>access to source code and official distribution

fucking, noice

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>>163317437
>most successful fighter in history
jej

>>163350079
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26758-1c-game-studios-cooperate-team-fusion-il-2-sturmovik-cliffs/#entry422861

top 10 anime crossovers

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>>163323552
Money cannot heal crippling mental illness and a tainted soul, so I don't care. He'll die just like everyone else on this earth, but he'll die at war with himself.

At least we can all agree that 2nd gen is the worst gen

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>>163317437
>implications

>>163345643
Sure I'm down

http://steamcommunity.com/games/307960/announcements/detail/268360239761537838
wtf i love Il-2 Battle of Britain now

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>>163356635
>North Africa theater
>DX 11 upgrade

sign me the fuck upa

>>163356635
>>163353002
>>163350079
I'm fucking hype

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>>163356635
>>163350079
Fucking finally. BoS is officially dead now.

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>>163352660
>Not gods plane
Wew off yourself baguetteboo

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>>163358786
Can't wait for the butthurt when poorfags realize they're going to have to pay for North Africa.

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>>163359687
He's right you know, they very specifically called them commercial add ons.

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>>163359867
Yup:

>Cliffs of Dover and its add-ons will be sold on the official IL-2 website (www.il2sturmovik.com) and through Steam.

Why is IL2 so jewish?

>>163348664
http://pixeldra.in

You have to pay for it?
WTF I already bought the game!
Gonna make a thread on reddit about this, what an outrage!

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h-hey guys a-am i allowed h-h-here

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>>163361103
no-one's gonna stop you

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can someone explain what the fuck this means
I just reinstalled Il2 today and It gets to 100% downloaded, then this when I try to open it.
what do

>>163361593
surely you've validated cache and googled the error message already right?

>>163361680
yeah, I haven't gotten anything so far
I went to the file location it lists, and I can't open up the folder Actor4, It just straight up tells me "Access is denied".

>>163361593
Check your privleges steam scum

>>163362041
Check your landing gear.

>>163361817
If no-one else has the issue then I've no idea.

Maybe delete the whole folder that file is in and then validate to force the game to re download the files?

>>163325361
This is why we need hazing

>bought American Truck Simulator
>play for a bit
>actually this is boring and just feels like an ETS2 mod
>getting a refund

Not sure why I bought it in the first place desu I've got bored of ETS2

>>163364187
It won't be special at all until they at the very least have a coast to coast route.

>>163361103
Why are you typing out the phonetics of stuttering? Your actions baffle me.

>>163364307
The devs will die of old age before that comes out, SCS are so fucking slow it's unbelievable, and they tease so much that you lose interest.

>>163364456
>The devs will die of old age before that comes out, SCS are so fucking slow it's unbelievable, and they tease so much that you lose interest
Where have I seen that before
hmmm
*looks at Eagle Dynamics*

Will tank sims ever take off? Seems like it'd be really fun with friends

>>163364720
War Thunder is about the hard limit of "simulation" for 99% of people who would play a game about tanks.

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we /afrika/ now boys

>>163365405
desu you could say the same about planes.

ded

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>>163369852

anyone have the tacview beta? apparently it has an in game optoins menu and DCS and a ton of other new shit

>>163351016
Dude, I don't give a fuck that they charge me for it. Just fucking make it available faster is all I care about. This is not a game/sim for the poor or cheap. Which it sounds like you suffer from both. Module and DLC costs are the most inexpensive of my expenditures towards this shit. I got more tied up in hardware by far and they would have to release every fucking planned, hinted at or officially announced content from ED and 3rd party devs to even come close to getting in the ballpark of just what I spent this year alone, not even taking into account legacy purchases.
Quit whining like a bitch. Shit costs money. That is the way it goes.

>>163372568
beaten_wife.txt

>>163372568
>Just fucking make it available faster

And that's all your whining comes to. You're a child who doesn't understand sim development and is too used to shitty meme thunder.

Go back and look at the actual development and release dates for Blackshark, and for how long the A-10C was in beta, and much more DCS has grown in since then.

Grow up and fuck off

>>163374571
No! You fuck off you disgusting ED shill!

>>163374571
Hey Shithead. I am not one of the ones whining like a bitch for WHEN. I just said I want it faster in that one post is all. Who the fuck doesn't want something they desire faster? Get off your high ass horse o one who thinks he alone grasps dev cycles.

>mfw I have been in the gaming/software business since starting in QA for HL1
>mfw currently employed for one of the largest software companies in the world.

Guessing you read a lot of dev blogs for your insight huh?

>>163375357
>WHEN. I just said I want it faster in that one post is all.

>t. retarded child who doesn't understand the difference between video game development and military grade simulators

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>>163375608
>DCS
>Military grade simulator
the best bait in the entire thread

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>>163375608

>DCS
>Military Grade Simulator

Holy shit my side's have actually left this plane of existance

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>>163375890
>s-stupid casuals! Stop playing it! It's not a proper sim!

>>163375608
>military grade simulators
Dude, you are kidding yourself if you think the DCS is up to 'military grade' standards currently. They need to do a lot to bring it up to that level. Which it sounds like they are putting effort towards with The Battle Simulator but really, not there currently. There is no underlying anything in DCS, it is a bunch of toys in a sandbox. Cool toys in a cool sandbox, but really, don't make it out to be some underlying structure to it all. Sure the planes take while to model. But I would bet you anything a lot of other devs if that was their focus could put out shit faster. ED is slow and has shitty marketing and communication practices on all levels. Safe to guess this carries over to internal processes as well.

>>163376330

Yes, this looks like a very serious training session considering the fact that they are using fucking 30 dollar joysticks.

I bet when people ask you what games you play, you tell them "yeah I fly basically the most realistic shit ever. It's so realistic that REAL FIGHTER PILOTS fly it, which basically makes me the hottest shit."

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>>163375608

>>163376395
The ONLY reason DCS exists, is because ED was contracted by the USAN/ANG to develop an A-10C desktop trainer to help transition A model pilots to the C model.

>themoreyouknow

>>163376330
>And once their review was over they all said.
>"Pretty cool game. AI sucks and no ATC, but is a cool game. Now can we go back to the simulator Boss?"

>>163376960
>muh joysticks
DCS has a separate development branch that is intended to work with actual military training simpits with ridiculous screen resolution. Your argument is invalid.

>>163377231
And Blackshark was a testbed model to see if they could model a full real sim, virtually, again ED was contracted by Kamov to make the module.

More Ka50 pilots have flown their Ka50 in DCS than real life.

>>163377495
that's cause they only made like 15

>>163377363

No, you are invalid.

The sim the military uses might be lit.

The sim we get is that hot ads garbage.

>>163378730
It's literally the same sim minus the classified systems.

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>>163359249
>god's plane
>not posting f14

>>163378730
Actually the desktop sim the ANG got is much worse than the 'DCS' A-10. It's essentially Lomac, with a A-10C non6dof pit, and sfm flight model

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>holy fuck dogfights vs mig 15 are unbalanced as shit
>read that AI Mig15 uses simple FM

well, fuck you too

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>>163378730
delet this

>>163381346
it uses a simplified damage model too, so is a massive bullet sponge


enjoy!

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>>163381418
and they even expect us to buy a full campaign for this shit..

>>163381346
>not going on korean war server

>>163376395
>There is no underlying anything in DCS, it is a bunch of toys in a sandbox.

What the fuck do you think military simulators are, anon?

>>163381346
im able to thrash the mig-15 AIs in the sabre m8, learn BFM

>>163386102
As somebody who works on military flight simulators I'm curious to hear that answer as well.

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>>163387656
Fuck off wags

>>163387656
One of my friends is at a training base, he's not doing anything flight-related, but he got to have some sim time for a bit.

tl;dr, they made him try to refuel with a KC-135 and then turned it into a firetruck in front of him. Sounds like "toys in a sandbox" to me.

DCS needs to work on the "game" part of their simulator more.

This is going to trigger the elitist faggots who stroke their dick to the thought of them playing super hyper realisms simulator, but its still a game.

Its still a video game, and video games are supposed to be fun.

Don't take any of the simulation out, add more "game" in.

>soviet fighter pilots before Germany invaded had on average 15 flight hours
>aerial gunnery and aerobatics were excluded because they were considered too dangerous

Jesus christ.

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>>163388234
only trained to ram )))

>>163388124
>open mission editor
>literally make whatever the fuck you want
>done

there you go

>>163388787

>you want game company to make fun?
>no fuck you, make your own fun

lol

let me just buy all the payed campaigns real quick.

>>163388787
I know this is b8 but this attitude actually exists and is why DCS will forever be shit on the 'game' side of things.

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>all these die-hard ED shills
Jesus, where did you all come from? Reddit?

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Does anyone know how I should install Guncam tracers for Il2 1946? The instructions say to just put it into the MODS folder, but I don't have one. Right now I'm using JGME and HSFX, does that make any difference? I googled it and didn't find anything that really explains it well.

>>163388124
I made this post:
>>163386102
and even I agree with this sentiment.

DYNAMIC FUCKING CAMPAIGN SYSTEM WHEN

Whatever happened to that modder that was working on one? Guardians of the Caucasus was some good shit.

>>163388932
>playing a simulator
>literally not knowing how, or ever touching the mission editor
>ever

get the fuck out. Go back to war thunder, you have no business here

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>>163381346
Don't forget the silly damage model; you have to dump half your rounds into their tailpipe, and their wing pops off whether you were shooting said wing or not.

That being said, you can troll the fuck out of Mig 15s with the GAR-80

>>163389120
By mods they mean your JGME mod folder

Just give up on DCS or give up on your life

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>recommending anything other than BMS
you need to end yourselves

>Jane's WW2 Fighters
>use mission editor
>play Jane's F-15
>use mission editor
>Play Jane's F-18
>use mission editor
>play original IL-2
>use mission editor
>Play original Flanker
>use mission editor
>play Lomac
>use mission editor
>Play DCS
>whaaaaaaat? WHAT THE FUCK? There's no dynamic campaign? What I do? How I play this???!?!!!!!!1111?!!1/1//111

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>>163389234

>its a simulator its not supposed to be fun!!!!
>make your own quality campaigns and missions in the mission editor, if they are good enough maybe ED will sell it to others for 15 dollars!!!!

having """"""simulator""""""" in the title of your VIDEO GAME doesn't mean fun is not required anymore. You are a complete cunt if you think this way.

I do use the mission editor, all the time. It can only do so much.

There is a reason almost every single other combat flight sim has a dynamic campaign system. Fuck even ones in the 90's had that shit. It should be a requirement.

Digital Combat Simulator is literally on 1/3'rds correct. The only truth to the name is that its digital, i'll give them that one.

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>recommending anything other than Strike Fighters 2
you need to end yourselves

>>163389453
Tried that and I see no change at all. I think it might be because I'm running HSFX at the same time, but I see no reason why that should conflict.
Does anyone know what I should do?

>>163389797
>but I see no reason why that should conflict.
HSFX changes tracers though doesn't it?

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>all this bait

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>>163389719
>The only truth to the name is that its digital, i'll give them that one.

My fucking sides

>>163389648
Here's the thing, anon.

Sims have begun providing dynamic campaign systems, Rise of Flight did that over 5 years ago and isn't even the first to do so.

ED/DCS are currently lagging behind their competition by failing to implement one.

Granted, dynamic campaigns won't help DCS if the AI continue to be shitty.

>>163389648

Every single game on that list had multiple well made and long campaigns for every aircraft, as well as a metric fuck ton of single missions.

DCS Modules don't even fucking come with campaigns. If they do, they are complete and utter shit (see: MiG-21) or they come out a year after the module was released (see: Mirage 2000)

>>163389892
Come to think of it I think it does. Is there anyway I can replace the files in HSFX with those form the guncam tracers?

>>163388124
1000% this.
Falcon works because it was always designed to be a consumer game and product. DCS isn't really. It's the same situation as what racing sims have largely become, and it's sad. They're more realistic than they've ever been, but (aside from outliers like DIRT Rally and F1 2016) there's no more character or soul in these games anymore. There's nothing really tying you to the game aside from running laps forever around the Nurburgring.

>>163390062
But the campaign for Mirage 2000 came on literally the day it was "released."

That's how early access works. I don't agree with it, but it's technically correct.

>>163390210
>DCS
>campign
The missions never work because they rely on arbitrarily set markers that you never set off.

>>163390141

Being a fighter pilot is boring, so DCS should be boring also.

>>163390345
Or in the MiG-21's case, set markers that you literally cannot find.

>>163389719
>I literally have no idea what a mission editor is, or how it works, and want missions that I WANT to play, spoonfed to me by other people

>>163390406
This.
Soon pilots will be replaced completely by drones anyways.

>>163390465

Can you read? I use the mission editor all the time to make missions I want to play.

>the company that makes the game actually putting things to do in the game is spoonfeeding

You are one dumb ass mother fucker

Either that you are in the honeymoon phase where you've been playing DCS for a month or two and think its just the hottest shit.

>>163388787
Jesus.
>literally make whatever the fuck you want
You do know what literally means right?
You really believe anything is possible huh?

>mfw this faggot goes to a restaurant has a bunch of raw food dropped on his table and is told.

"literally make whatever the fuck you want"

Gives yelp 5 star review.

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>>163389719
This. I'm a ramp start junkie autist but I want good multiplayer and dynamic campaigns so I can use what I know in an interesting way.

My favorite part of realistic games like project reality is being part of a team and contributing towards a goal in ways that aren't just killing the bad man and getting the point. I wish DCS had a spoonfeed multiplayer campaign where you could choose roles and ingame regiments and shit like WW2OL and I could drop sea mines from a helicopter or paratroopers from a C-17 and have that affect the outcome of a battle

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>>163390742
I love you anon for saying what I want to say and succinctly describing what I hate about DCS.

>>163388124
The people who shill against the 'game' part of DCS are the doods who want a monopoly on fun with their clan events

>>163389120
Download a mod activator for the HSFX build you're using. It should come with a MODS folder, which may be appropriately labelled to load first. Then put it in there.

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>wehrboos will defend this

PFFFFFFF, lol this thing is a complete joke

>>163390026
Dynamic campaigns are not what make a sim worth playing, nor are they even what a 'simulator' is based around. In fact DC are the most 'gamey' thing a sim can have.

What makes a simulator a simulator is literally the mission editor itself, as it allows you to 'simulate' the thing you wish to. It's why the military took such an interest in VBS, it is why Arma is what it is. And it is what makes every combat flight sim what it is, along with the obvious modeling of flight dynamics and avioncs, ect.

It's kind of funny how no one expects a civilian airline sim to have a campaign, but god forbid a combat sim not have a fucking story to it.

Far too many ace combat kids are finding their way in here

>>163390630
>Can you read? I use the mission editor all the time to make missions I want to play.
>I use the mission editor all the time
>lol, I just lied because I have no way of backing myself up here

>>163390883
also these faggots shill against enhancing multiplayer because they want TS and clans to be the only way to organize so there's a constant stream of pubbies easy to kill

>>163390978
>Dynamic campaigns are not what make a sim worth playing,
RIP BMS

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>>163390698
>mfw this faggot goes to a restaurant has a bunch of raw food dropped on his table and is told.
>"literally make whatever the fuck you want"

btfo

>>163390742

Fucking this. Honestly, blue flag is the only thing that even sort of got multiplayer in DCS right.

Back when it was at its peak, full of players, everyone on the TS, it was fucking lit. Every airframe in the mission had a role, and every one of them had to accomplish it to win.

It felt fucking awesome to be a part of a giant airwar, flying a fighter, providing cap for your strikers and transports choppers.

It felt fucking awesome to be in a Ka-50 and being told by the head GCI controller that you're the last striker alive in the area and everyone is counting on you as you have 15 friendly fighters duking it out to keep you alive.

That's that kind of shit that should have already been in the game, not focring some greek and some jew to perform witch-craft to bring into DCS.

>>163390978
>a simulation of the operations that fighter aircraft participate in does not belong in a simulator

Best part is that if you try and use the mission editor to make realistic scenarios the game dies due to too many units.
Realistic missions are impossible in DCS.

>>163390978
Anon, the gamey functions like dynamic campaigns are useful because they can allow you to get some training in situations not of your own making and hopefully, no two missions will be identical or even similar.

>Far too many ace combat kids are finding their way in here

Fuck you, anon. I'm a guitarist. You think I got upset over Guitar Hero leading kids to attempt to pick up the actual instrument, and sucking at it ?

No. I was fucking pleased that they were introduced to something I enjoy, and that they're getting enjoyment out of.

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>>163390742
>y favorite part of realistic games like project reality
>realistic games
>project reality

That's it, this general is fucked. Nothing but children who found their way and have no idea what the purpose of what it was.

Should have known, school is out. Nothing but children here for the next couple of weeks thinking the new CoD and arcade combat are 'simulaz0rs'

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>>163390906
I've decided that its not that big of a deal. On the other hand, doesn't anyone know how to get rid of this purple-ish smoke? It looks terrible and I have no idea why its there or how to get rid of it.

>>163390978

>simulating being a pilot in a giant air/land/sea war in which your actions directly affect the war effort isn't what makes a COMBAT sim worth playing
>its my very small scale single mission ops i put together in the mission editor

dude... come on.

Anyone here remember when we found Sithspaws Facebook and linden? Any of you cunts remember what it was?

>>163390978
I really hope this is just top tier bait and you don't actually believe everything you just said. Here is your well earned (You).

>>163391324
>someone disagrees with me
>REEEEEEEE GET THE FUCK OUT ACE COMBAT KIDDIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thanks for outing yourself as an autist that can't defend his own positions. Fuck off.

Arma / Project Reality does not simulate real life combat.They simulate the cordination ,but they could never ever fully simulate combat.

>>163391324
Stop being a spastic, I meant realistic in comparison to fucking ratchet and clank

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>>163391324


This was a really well put together series of shitposts mate, seriously. You deserve a pat on the back.

You actually did a really good job of impersonating a drooling manchild. I can only congratulate you, you almost had us fooled!

S!

>>163390978

I am honestly, genuinely jealous that you are able to delude your self into thinking this way.

I seriously wish I was able to convince my self that DCS is perfect as it is and be happy.

>>163391372
>>simulating being a pilot in a giant air/land/sea war in which your actions directly affect the war effort
>simulating WW3
>where I alone dictate the outcome

anon, it's you who has the wrong idea here. Yeah, small scale operations IS what is correctly modeled in DCS.

Here's something to think about, look at what the actual serviceable aircraft the Russians have that are able to actually fly. Now think about how retarded you are for wanting to make giant idiotic WW3 nonsense

The people who shill against dynamic campaigns are people who make custom missions for their clan and fear their maps will not be used anymore once ED brings in dynamic campaigns

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>>163391581
>I am honestly, genuinely jealous that you are able to delude your self into thinking this way.
>mission editors are somehow not what makes a simulator a simulator

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>>163391659
>Now think about how retarded you are for wanting to make giant idiotic WW3 nonsense

You're right, militaries never train for WW3

>>163391659

You are putting words in my mouth. You do not alone dictate the outcome you idiot.

But, if you and your squadron destroy enough enemy armor in a certain area, your friendly ground forces are more likely to be able to capture it.

Also, we wouldn't be simulating world war 3 in 2016 you dolt. If anything, it would be a cold war gone hot scenario which would actually work based on the aircraft we currently have.

But now that i think about it, since DCS is such a SIMULATOR, the dynamic campaign would end the second you start it because the entire world is now nuked.

>WW3 is the only thing a dynamic campaign can simulate, no other type of conflict would EVER be done

I can't tell who's baiting who anymore.

>>163391795
i refuse to believe your argument is actually "the military uses the mission editor to simulate specific things"

it's becos you make missions for your clan, isnt it

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>>163391795

>dynamic campaigns make a simulator not a simulator
>BMS is not a simulator

>>163392101
He's technically correct, but;

Dynamic campaigns simply use the mission editor to auto-generate missions. They don't make a simulator not a sim because they subvert the mission editor, they fucking rely on it to operate.

He's retarded.

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simulators are fucking trash lmao
playing internet flyboy when you could sign up for the air force and do the real thing, literally why???? kyss

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This guy is missing the point, when military simulates a scenario either in real life or in a sim, they're able to stipulate all kinds of things because they're organized, because they're a fucking military.

It's a waste of time to get a server to play a mission, do an AAR and tell them to wait a few days while you edit a new mission. You just bring in logic to the game to count assets lost/gained and ground captured.

>>163392101
they do. Or did you not understand the purpose the mission editor in the first place?

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Why aren't we getting the Yak-9 in IL-2?
Yak-9 saw combat during Stalingrad, but we aren't even getting in Kuban, we are getting the Yak-7B which is worse than the Yak-1B.

Yak-9 was like their most used fighter during that period.

I haven't been following IL-2 for very long, are the planes all planned way out in advance? Or do some show up as a surprise?

>>163392452
i know you're trolling but in my country i have a better statistical chance of being a lottery winner

At this point I honestly believe DCS fags pride them selves in the fact that their video game isn't fun, because its a hardcore simulator.

I seriously think its their way of feeling superior. There is no other reason you would argue this way.

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>it's not simulator unless it has a dynamic campaign

ahahahahahahahaha