/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

>>162846214
Dumb girl can't even hold sword lmao

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>>162846363
Neither can this guy.

I'm having a weird bug that dark souls freezes unless I unplug my x360 controller, then I have to plug it again ant it works normally, someone knows how to fix that?

>>162846214
>tfw if half-sword ever did appear in a souls game it would be a dumb gimmick weapon that can only be wielded that way

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Xth for best husbando

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>>162846363

>>162846214
>/fa/g keeps helmet open to show pretty face
>gets righteously slashed
>>162846363
>using sharp edges against plate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordhau

>>162846670
Anyone else really bothered by the exposed neck in the Ds3 version of this armor? It might've been that way in Ds2 as well but there's just something very off about the way the helmet looks in Ds3.

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>>162846363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi757-7XD94
What did you say?

>>162846832
>>162846798
>>162846448
nice fanfics

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>>162846889
What slanderous attacks hast thou thrown against my good name, thou contemptible wench? Whereas I have risen even unto the foremost rank in the Royal Admiralty; whereas I have on many an occasion partaken in clandestine crusades against the Saracens; whereas by mine hands have fallen barbarians numbering some fifteen score; whereas I am most skilled in the ways of the ape warrior; whereas I am the premier marksman amongst all of our Kingdom's knights: Thou art in my sights but yet another quarry. The Lord be my witness, I shall smite thee as no-one under the sun hath heretofore been smitten. Dost thou deign to fancy thyself secure to cast thy spittle upon my face from behind the Spider's Veil? Then thou hast wandered into grievous error. Yea, even at this very moment, I am sending word across the land to my fellow Templars, and the provenance of thy scrivenings shall in short time become known unto me. A veritable maelstrom of vengeance is upon thy gates, thou wretched worm, which surely shall obliterate thy loathsome pretension of life. Truly, thou art foregone, child. I move as swift as the wind, and with mine own two hands I may at my pleasure slay thee in any of thirty and five score modes. For verily as I am a master in the pugilistic arts, even so doth the manifold armory of the Royal Guard lie at my beck and call, which in its plenitude of power I shall not delay to unleash upon thee, that thy fœtid flesh may no longer pollute this land with its presence, thou pitiful putrescence. Would that thou couldst have foreseen what great wrath thou hast by thy "brazen" jocosity summoned upon thyself! Perhaps thou wouldst have rather kept shut thy filth-spewing mouth. But neither couldst thou thus foresee, nor didst thou take heed of prudence, and thou art now reaping what thou hast sown, thou accursèd simpleton. I will excrete rage all round about thee, wherein shalt thou be consumed. Thou hast shuffled off this mortal coil, urchin.

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>>162846536
halfswording is almost in the game. if the grip was shifted towards the blade in the stance wa, it would be exactly that. until from realize how easy it is to add a very tasteful touch to the game, we're stuck with AGS charge
>>162846832

>>162846448
His helmet makes it look like he is smoking a ciggy.

>>162847463
[audible laughter]

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>>162846536
>>162847242
>loyce gs 2.0
>quick gs with a fast moveset and few recovery frame attacks but low dmg
>stance wa where r2 is halfsword running stab that ignores flat def
>wa r1 knocks down shield like pic related using blunt damage

>>162847575
REMOVE THIS

>>162847685
what anime is this

Would I still get any invasions at SL 802?

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>>162847463
When thou shove off thine peasants, pray that thee keeps fine herbs for daily copious consumption.

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>>162847575
Cute!

>>162848016
>tfw no Sallet helm in DS3
They were otherwise so good with the armors imported from other games.

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>>162847773
Wolfsmund edgy as fuck though.

>>162848302
edgy in this case meaning?

>>162848579

Edgy antagonist he gets just desserts later through.

>>162844147
>l want revenge on EVERYONE for what a small handful of people did to me that I'm still mad about years later, fuck the whole mechanic!

I swear that's a quote from a Miyazaki interview

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>>162848302
Oh I sure love some scat play

>>162846214

>HOW DO I SWORD

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Evening boys, how's the game finding you?

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>>162848579

DID I HEAR "DARK AND EDGY"?

>>162850649
>Jubilant Catarina

My reaction to the first time I saw that was "das racist"

>>162847242
>>162846832
>>162846214
Half swording is when you grip your sword almost like a spear so you can more easiler stab into plate or chainmail. I forgot what this technique is called in the picture but its to use the pommel and guard of your sword like a hammer.

>>162850737
>no gravelord smoke
>no power within
>no edgy armor
>no neck snap
meh
>>162850813
>>>162846798

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>>162850813

What about this technique?

Why are there weapons that can't be buffed?

I don't see how that would break the game, it just makes weapons that can't be buffed shit.

>>162850813
Mordhau

>>162851076
is that lloyd's swordring?

>>162851161

Two reasons:

1. The weapon already has a passive buff.
2. It's a boss weapon which as very high base damage, so they would be OP as fuck in the early game.

Unbuffable weapons are best for characters which won't be using any kind of magic, namely quality builds.

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>can't lit up the torch that summons forlorn as an invader
>can't use any switches for any semblance of assholery
Shit game.

>>162851489
I just got salty because magic weapon doesn't work on crystal rapier.

What other good int scale weps are there early on that you can get?

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>boot up Steam tonight after work
>2 new group invites
>Git Gud, Casul! and LOL, YOU SUCK

Damn, being an invader is so satisfying.

>>162851968
They are froom the times you got your shit pushed in

>you can pop bleeding effect during iframes resulting in zero damage
why is this a thing?

>>162851614

Nothing, really. If it's upgraded by titanite scales or twinkling titanite, it can't be buffed or infused. I can't think of a weapon which scales with INT baseline and can also be buffed or infused.

>>162851968
>Kill some shittter
>Message received
>"LOL, YOU SUCK"

What's the mentality there? Why would you suck because you beat them? If anything that's admitting they're worse than dirt, if they are losing to someone that supposedly sucks.

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>>162851968
>tfw 65 hours on my main low-level griefer but zero fanmail

>>162852108
Anything to make bleed less op is a good thing.

>>162852164
>"LOL, YOU SUCK" and have to rely on meta weapons, binobuffing, and so on to win

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>>162852164
Sore losers and a huge entitled attitude like most people that summon their babysitters to play the game for them. We must cleanse and purge them from their roots!

>>162852061

Yes, because people invite you to the "damn you really kicked our asses" and the "1v3 WINNERS CLUB" steam groups when you push their shit in, right?

>>162852164
>Why would you suck because you beat them?

Because they mad. It's the equivalent of a 5 year old losing in some game and saying "w-well... you're just a big ol' doo-doo head!" and then you asking "why would I be the doo-doo head if I beat them?" It's sorta like that.

>>162851968
fucking suncucks lmao

>>162852132
There are exceptions to the twinkling rule though
FUGS can be buffed for instance

>>162851968
never underestimate the power of a high VIG stat, kids.

>>162852220
>bleed procs and buildup becomes useless
>poison procs during rolls but more or less useless
>frostbite has the worst of both and toxic is nonexistent
Auxiliary effects suck massive ass in this game. At least in ds2 bleed had a effect on stamina.

>>162852369
Why does prejudice against covenants even exist in this game if you can literally swap at any point with no penalty.

>>162852615
DS2 bleed was fucking awful and it was nearly impossible to trigger it in pvp, i will take DS1 bleed over it, not to mention DS3 one which is miles ahead.

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>>162852164

>replying to bait

You could show a webm of your character naked at level 1 single handedly killing a 3-man gank squad, then beating NG+20 on that same character and you'd have someone go "lol you suck". Here is the mentality of these people:

1. PVE doesn't matter, it's super easy.
2. If you lose, it's proof you suck.
3. If you win, it's proof that the people you beat suck even more.

That's all there is to it. Any time you post something, one of these retards will chime in like that. Don't waste your time replying to them.

>>162852725
>DS2 bleed was fucking awful and it was nearly impossible to trigger it in pvp
I almost never had a problem with procing it with ashen sword, bandit's knife and all bleeding accessories. But the damage is ridiculous through, I wish they kept the stamina debuff.

>>162852456

Yeah, but exceptions are exceedingly rare.

Either way, weapon buffs are subpar in Dark Souls 3. Your attunement slots are better spent on something else.

>Greatwolf
DEJA VU I'VE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

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>>162851968
>artorias with a shield of want
>raw dragonslayer axe with resin parry king

scrubs pay the price i s'pose...

>>162852857
Bleed in DS3 is fine. They just need to fucking buff frostbite instead. 10% absorption decrease is shit. It needs to cut endurance in half to have a noticeable effect.

How's the caestus in DS2?

>>162853081
They could've made frostbite weapon into a body buff instead. Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?

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>>162853051
>tfw his second phase charge and ice breath perfectly syncs up with the highest point of his theme

>>162853206
fun as fuck but anyone with a weapon longer than a longsword that isnt retarded is gonna fuck your shit up. You are also gonna need to wear the stone ring, flynn ring, and ring of blades but its fuckin worth it.

>>162853217
For some reason From became very afraid of strong status buildups after DS1. Maybe to counter twinking, maybe something else. DS3 is just latest in line with this idiocy though how we managed to get such an awesome bleed is beyond me.

>>162852982
>weapon buffs are subpar
If you use them the same way as you would in DeS/1/2 then yes
They are no longer a simple augment to the melee fighter, but sadly require mre dedicated builds to outdamage quality builds and to make the buffs feel more usefull than an expensive resin
>40 Dex/60 Faith DMB fuckery

>>162853380
Hell yeah, I'm not building for PVP but I do like punching shit. Can you powerstance them?

>>162853206
garbage in pvp, as all fist weapons in ds2 after rollpunch was fixed
fun in pve
go for bone fist, at least the damn thing has a cool moveset

How much str, dex, vit are people typically putting into old wolf curved sword build?

>>162853501

Are you new to Dark Souls 3? Power Stance is gone. Instead, certain weapons will dual wield instead of going two-handed when you press Y.

Mind you, the caestus is one of those weapons.

>>162853543
Caestus can still rollpunch.
They only took it off of the vanquisher's seal powerstance. Caestus and claws can still rollpunch.

>>162853604
Just like any other quality build. 40/40 and optional vit depending on what roll speed you want.

>>162853645
But I'm asking about DS2, anon.

Why do so many greatweapons have that shitty "vertical swing" moveset? And why are so many of them so fucking short?

Did Miyazaki get a hate boner for Berserk or something?

>guy is laggy as shit
>spams magic
why I'm not surprised?

>>162853727

Oh. Yes, you can power stance them. In fact, Dark Souls 2 caestus are infamous for being kind of a cheapass weapon.

>>162853910
I used to be that guy, now I live in a place with a proper connection, so I can spam magic with less results.

>>162853451
40 dex 60 fth will sacrifice a lot of stats for a minimal return against something like bundles

fc

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Confessions?

>the first time I saw the dragon tooth in Dark Souls 1, I thought Havel was beating me with a giant dildo

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>>162846798
>open helm
>or no helm at all
>fashionable

Why do people believe in retarded shit?

>>162854264
Well in DS 1 i used to think raw was a good idean and wasted a bunch of titanites. That was annoying.

>>162853863
vertical swings have shockwaves, the horizontal swings dont get shockwaves

>>162854396
Because my penis said so

>>162851573
>KUGS

My nigga. Powerstance that shit.

>>162848229
Frankly, I want more Armets with functional gorgets before I start worrying about armets.

>>162854603

You don't need a shockwave when you can actually hit your fucking target.

The only use of vertical swings is that you can use those weapons in tight corridors.

What's the closest weapon in DS2 to a Silver Knight Straight Sword? I loved that in DS1 and I want to pvp with something similar.

Fume Sword, Sun Sword, or Estoc? Or some third weapon I'm forgetting?

>>162854713
longswords can outrange the wide swings though, i have much more trouble outranging the overhead strikes cause the shockwaves interrupt your swing

>>162854264
I used a guide for my first play through of Dark Souls. It ended up making the final battle super easy because I knew beforehand how to save Solaire and summon him. I also used maps, but to be fair, the invisible walls they put in these games are not easy to spot at all, unless you're autistically hitting every wall.

>>162854832

That's only true for the shittier greatweapons which are way shorter than they should be.

>>162854613
Waifu characters are all retarded.

>>162854396
it's not the open helm that is fashionable, it's the face underneath

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>>162854264
Every time I finish a zone I look up online if I missed anything critical

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>>162854396
Only a few appearance build themes fit this, like a Monk build for example, or something like this.

But usually the less skin you show the better.

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>>162854951
e-even mine, Anon-kun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIj-Rsz9Xg

>>162853910
>guy is laggy as shit
>r1 spamming with an impossible to parry darksword
>check his steam profile: from China, with over 3,000 hours in DOTA2

why am I not surprised?

>>162855407
>hollowed
How fitting

>>162855110
I want to impregnate Alvina

>>162854861
>>162854264
DS1: I got all the way to the capra demon without realizing lock on was in this game. I had to start over because I originally used a longsword and couldn't figure out how the fuck anyone hit anything with the thrusts, so I went with a broadsword instead because I was running around without lock on and needed the wide swings.

DS2: I started upgrading everything right away (including my broadsword) and ran out of titanite before reaching McDuff. So I had a +6 broadsword or a +1 Bastard sword, nothing else, and couldn't beat the lost sinner. I started the game over again.

>>162854747
90% of what made me like the Silver Knight Straight Sword was the opening video for DS1.

>"WITH THE STRENGTH OF LORDS, THEY CHALLENGED THE DRAGONS."

I was introduced to dark souls through a writer friend who showed me the video and talked about how great the lore was because of the simplicity. "Adjective Noun the Noun, verbed the Nouns."

>>162855004
No. Your waifu is shit. Waifuing is stupid.

>>162855407
Yes.

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>>162856452

PC FC WHEN?!

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>>162856970
I've been on a gank for 20 minutes. When I die or them, I'll host

>>162857081
Godspeed, warrior-anon. You'll be in my prayers.

>>162857081
>I've been on a gank for 20 minutes.
How's it going? Give us updates.

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Anybody up for some coop on PC tonight?

>>162857071
i keep seeing this, where is it from?

>>162857251
which location?

>>162857251

I wish that mace wasn't fucking terrible.

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>>162857071
You just summed me up in one fell swoop. I'm going to use this image forever.

>>162857342
It's not that bad, anon, if you know how to use it.

>>162857342
No point in bashing weapons when anything is viable in pve.

>>162857520
Hell, anything is viable in PvP, you just gotta know how to use it.

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>>162857330
Either Old Wolf bonfire to extuinguish the last swamp flame and head for Abyss Watchers, or keep pushing through Cathedral of the Deep from the first elevator shortcut to the giant's balcony.

Also, I realize I actually have shit for stamina. Maybe Great Mace isn't such a good idea until I can level up a bit?

>>162857751

I dare you to try and use a bastard sword in PVP.

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>>162857382
You're in the wrong general, friend.

>>162857390
What do you typically do against running R1 only katana players?

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anyone else feels bad for these guys every time. i can't kill them without thinking about it

>>162857342
Nigga you haven't lived until you've full on Arc of Deliverance'd someone with a fully charged 2HR2 with that motherfucker.

Also if you have enough stamina for it, the bleed on it can be pretty punishing, especially if you connect the WA.

>>162857950
>roll
>r1

gg ez

>>162858037
no.

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>>162857382
Testing shop skills for improvements and autism.

>>162858037
Who are they supposed to be?

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>>162857950
if connection allows it just press l2

>>162858037
>magnet swords
Nah, fuck them

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>>162857936
To be fair, /dsg/ is only about 20% waifufags.

The rest are either people complaining about PvP, asking about builds, asking about coop, webms and /fa/, and the mandatory shitposters now and then.

>>162858321

If you want waifufags, head over to /wowg/. At times, that general is nothing but guys posting screenshots of their character and masturbating.

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>>162858321
b-brother ?

>>162857791
switch to something lighter
I can help you with any of those.

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>>162857950
>>162858249

Second.

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>>162858321
>>162858427
>mfw

>>162858445
Alright, I'll go back to my +4 Mace.

Lets meet at Old Wolf bonfire in 5 minutes and do Watchers. I hate fighting Heysel alone in the area by the third swamp flame.

Pass is dsg

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>mfw BB has only 7 required bosses

I feel like I've been meme'd about the replayability of that game. And it also sucks that so many nice, non-STR/SKL weapons are locked either in mid-game or late-game. It's still a fun game but damn kinda disappointed with all the hype about this game.

>>162858249
>>162858663
But I want to smash my foes into the earth with my giant mace, not parry them to death.

>>162858784
Less require boss and more total bosses is a good thing. It means you aren't locked into a linear path.

>>162858895

I really hope you mean just the regular Mace and not the actual Great Mace, in which case with a Mace you can just 2H it and stack poise and trade with their running attack all day, you even get perseverance.

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>>162857179
I the silver knight did it.
These fucking french were following me since the fire witch gank rape but the host kept BCing and sending them back but I managed to get the three after me here.
Sorry for the bad quality, but it's kind of long and aerthas webm maker was shitting itself


Where do you want FC?

>>162858903
it's not like fishbone is much better than linear

Just how good is the large club? I'm tempted to use it on a cleric I plan to start soon.

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>>162859317
The big bridge where the stone demon is found, Old Wolf bonfire.

Also, congratulations warrior-anon, you slew the frog menace.

>>162859317
Whoa what on earth happened to that webm. I've never seen something like that made with the script. That shit is bonkers.

>>162858903
It's not like the total boss count or quality is that high either. If not for the DLC bosses, BB would be tied with DS2 for the worst boss lineup.

And BB is plenty linear. It's Central Yharnam -> Cathedral Ward -> Forbidden Forest -> Byrengwerth -> Yahargul -> Nightmare of Mensis. You can branch out and do certain areas between those like Old Yharnam or Nightmare Frontier or Cainhurst but those are just side paths instead of the game giving you an option to get to end game from multiple ways.

>>162859542
Ah yes, about that. My AW are dead.
Areas I can host at: HW, castle, garden, graves, anor londo pre and post pontiff, CotD, lake, ADP and dungeon.
I like the area right before deacons since it has perfect spawns but I can do HW if people want something familar.

>>162859615
I have no idea either. It didn't work th first three times then created that disgusting thing on the 4th, I have no idea why.

>>162859880
>side paths
That's the point. Other than those few areas, you do shit in the order you like.

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>>162858784
>kos parasite is literally the last weapon you get in the game
>bloodletter can only be gotten not long prior to it

>>162859973
High Wall sounds good.

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>>162860438
Okay then.

PC FC at high wall, pass dsg as always, signs on the rafters please.

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>>162858249
>parry spamming

>>162860305
You can do the DLC after just 3 bosses.

>>162860305
It felt like pure skill or BLT users got fucked for no reason. Can't even get a good BLT weapon until Cainhurst. Though I guess at least with skill, you can get the BoM early on if you kill Eileen.

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That was fun. Thanks for the help.

It would have been really funny if that darkwraith had heard us.

>>162860845
>>162858445
Meant to quote.

>>162846448
Nah he's just applying a buff.

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>>162857936
NOBODY LIKES YOUR BIG RED DYKES LUCI

>>162859490

Just use the great club instead.

If I've somehow platinumed every game in the series but completely missed Dark Souls II when it came out, am I missing out on anything?
The only thing I know about it is that it's apparently a divisive game.

>>162858784
>>162858903

No, what you want are many required bosses that can be accomplished in many different orders.

A great way to do it would be to make every area reachable without fighting any bosses, and make the bosses get progressively harder based on your SL or the number of bosses you've beaten before.

>>162861601
DS2 has the slowest combat and imo the shittiest levels but it's a good game

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>trying a pyromancer/strength build
>want to use an axe or hammer
>check out weapons and see this beauty, didnt really care about it when I first played the dlc
>466 AR with heavy infusion and 40 str, almost 500 when two-handed
holy shit, I'm never gonna use anything else
this thing makes PvE and Invaders even more trivial

>>162861601
Good game, weakest of the series. Combat feels like your dude is play doh. It got shoved out hugely incomplete. Bosses are trash with a few exceptions.

>>162862353
try using weapon art

Is Astora Greatsword still good? I've seen builds and videos recommending it but I think I remember someone saying it was nerfed.

>>162862515

It's on the high end of UGS still due to the low requirements and the Charge WA buff but it's still a UGS.

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We have a nice flux of people now, but any new signs for high wall PC FC are welcome.
Same place as always

>>162862441
I mainly use it with flame arc so I dont use it often, but in PvP its really nice
also looks hilarious

>>162861695
Nah, you want some degree of structure. DaS1 did it best though.

>>162862515
Still good. The rolling R1 glitch got fixed though.

>>162862620
I was thinking about pure physical AR boost from it.

>>162862614
Will the FC still be on an hour later ?
I'm currentky trying to beat the dragon Go from The Last Remnant even though I'm underleveled and I'm getting fucking destroyed.

>>162862341
Well to be honest I thought the first Dark Souls already had combat so slow it was laughably easy, so that doesn't sound too promising.
Exploring levels was also something from the other games I loved, so that doesn't sound good.
What did it have going for it that you liked?
>>162862405
>It got shoved out hugely incomplete
Heh, that's nothing new for these games.

Fuck, and bosses were some of the high points of this series for me. Without spoiling anything, how many bosses are any good? Are there any that are on the level of fights like Manus, Allant, or Ludwig?

heretic knight you are literally pure latency right now

i can't fight you with the teleportation ring on

>>162862614
What's the SL of people in it. Just finished the game at SL 110 and I'm garbage at PVP but I'd like to try my luck.

>>162862951
Yes

>>162863157
Any SL, most are 120

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>>162863030
He has become one with the Speedtest.

wtf happened on your screen aria?

also >>>>>>>>>>>>>hornet ring

boy if you were in my FC

>>162862353
Try the weapon art in full havel.

>>162862997
>how many bosses are good?
On par with good DS1/Demon's bosses :
6 in the base game and 5 in the DLCs.

>>162863030
>tfw too afraid to parry his curved great sword because he just skips around

>>162862762
I know it gets another 50 or so but I tend to use the flame arc since im already playing pyromancer hybrid, it lasts 3 times longer and adds almost 200 fire damage, better for going through the game
anyway the damage on this thing is ridicoulus and makes almost all other axes/hammers useless
shame no one uses axes or hammers

>>162863434
backstabbed you with 0 hp kek

>>162862997
>what did it have going for it that you liked?
Well, it's more Souls.
It has some pretty cool areas, gimmicks and bosses. Also the NG+ is relatively interesting.

The DLCs are also very good and enough to suffer through the base game for.

>>162863216
Understood.

>>162863596
heh

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>>162863030
>I'm so good
>actually lagging
I'll proceed to kill myself. Carry on without me.
>capcha: romantic

>>162863445
Alright, that doesn't sound too bad. They way it sounded, I was thinking single-digits.
>>162863707
Yeah, I mean I slogged through a lot of shitty parts in the other four games for some of the better moments so I doubt I'll hate the game or anything.
Might as well give it a try.

>>162862341
Slow combat isn't bad, really, it's just different. DS2 combat is methodical and practical against high health bars, DS1 combat has lots of sudden and rapid 1 hit kills, and DS3 has a lot of fast-paced flashy movesets and dodges.

DS2 is probably the most strategic/mind-game heavy of the games for PvP, and as a result is also the most boring and grueling of the PvE.

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>>162862353

Yeah it's pretty great...

>>162864098
He's just sad because you killed his Best Waifu.

>>162864165

His waifu a shit, I had to let him know :^)

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>>162863964
>he most strategic/mind-game heavy of the games for PvP
Ah, yes. The wondrous world of DS2's mindgames.

>>162863838
I'm the host, you're not laggy to everyone

can mugenmonkey show damage increase from a weapon buff/resin?

>>162864239

How bad are turtlepokes in DaS3 now, anyways? Like, is there legit no way to make a leo poke with your shield up trading with an opponent a good strategy? Is there any specific data on how much health/stamina damage you take if you turtlepoke trade with someone when they hit your shield?

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>>162864534
Turtles aren't that bad as long as you were up-close with a shield piercing weapon. But you can start BCing when they're good at backpedaling.
>>162864271
I'm done I'm just going to start watching Game center. Thanks for hosting.

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>tfw timed out 3 times while trying to join FC

About to play DaS3 for the first time. Is there any benefit of playing deprived?

>>162864868
Put your sign on the rafters, I'll keep trying. If it doesn't work, restart your game

>>162864534
most ds3 turtles just dropped turtlepoking completely in favour of simple fast main hands so i'm not even sure if such data exists

>>162864881
No, knight is the best starting class, like all the other games

>>162864852

No I mean if I'm holding a shield with my guard up and you attack me and I turtlepoke you at the same time so we trade (hopefully with a leo proc), how bad is the stamina and health damage from that from whatever weapon you were using? Like is it totally fucked and not ever worth it or is it actually good if you have X amount of END or high enough stability or what?

>>162864881
zero
go knight if you want a melee char or a melee with a few support spells
go pyromancer if you want a caster because ds3 has the best pyros in series

>>162864958
Warrior and Pyro are better starting classes in the long run, but knight is easier for noobs because they have better starting gear.

>>162864881
Go knight for an all rounded build so you can try magic later on or heavy armor; very versatile so it's the best starter class. If you don't give a shit about magic, warrior's the way to go.

>>162862997
There are not, I'm afraid. One boss is quite hard but not much to look at and there are maybe two that have any element of spectacle to them. A few good fights, but frankly nothing even makes it to the same heights as Gascoigne.

>>162864881
No.
If you want the "default DaS3 experience", pick Knight or Warrior. Worry about "builds" after your first playthrough but Deprived sucks for everything.

>>162864934
>in favour of simple fast main hands

quick question: do poking halberds count in this category? i use a bk shield and rh halberd, it doesn't turtlepoke but idk if it's really considered "fast" like an estoc so idk what category i fit into exactly?

>>162865017
I spam mail breaker or other shield rape weapons and it seems to go through their shields like butter. iirc they also do stamina damage so they can't hold their shield for long. But if someone who's good at backpedalling when they need to and you can't reach them then it's pointless.

>>162861601
Best PvP, worst PvE. Has a much more "noble knight" aesthetic to it than other games in the series, with more Kings and Swords and less magic and monsters.

Different from the rest of the games, it puts more of an emphasis on spreading your stats out and being very careful with what you upgrade (upgrade materials are very limited until after you beat the game). It's more of a methodical prep-heavy approach to the dungeons rather than the timing/bruteforce approach of some of the other games.

>>162864927
Just got summoned once so it does work.

>>162865057
>go pyromancer if you want a caster because ds3 has the best pyros in series

Really? Not that anon but I've never done pyro in any Souls games because it seemed boring to just spam fireballs all the time.

>>162865139
i did extremely well with red hilted and BK shield when the game was just released but it was mostly because retards still tried to trade against perseverance back then, not because red hilted was that good for turtling
a competent player will just chip you to death with deep infused weapon or something, and you won't be fast enough to punish him

QUICK!

POST YOUR FAVOURITE SOULS RELATED YOUTUBE CHANNEL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-8Imhnt5kw

How low is your AR /dsg/?

>>162865260
>Best PvP
Best PvP was DaS2. Best PvE was DeS or BB.

>>162865504
>thinly veiled youtube shilling

>>162865572
>thinking limit breakers browses 4chan

you're a nigger. Now watch the channel for vaguely interesting das3 facts.

>>162865242

You're still not understanding what I'm saying, anon...

You know what? Fuck it, I'm just gonna load up the game with my backup save and spec into something that can effectively use a spear and shield and test out how good/bad it is if you try to turtlepoke trade with leo ring with people. Fuck it.

>>162865646
fuck off limit cuck

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>>162865337
ds3 pyros have:
>best, most damaging combustion in series thanks to either BF => glove combustion combos of normal glave or auto-combustion of paring flame
>best fire surge because surge damage ticks in ds3 apply damage only once in half a second, but with much higher damage per tick making it an extremely solid choice for putting constant pressure
>best chaos fire orb because of how dirt cheap and damaging it is
>vestiges that are even faster than ds2's forbidden sun but also can be spammed into oblivion or used even for short-range trades
>black serpent that can turn 180 degree to follow its prey
and this is just the strongest options, even other, less viable stuff like boulder heave or floating chaos is EXTREMELY fun to use and generally more viable than non-meta pyros in both ds1 and 2

>>162862997
DS2 bosses are all mediocre, but the DLC bosses are on-par with some of the best DS1 non-DLC bosses.

Lost Sinner, Pursuer, Belfry Gargoyles, Looking Glass Knight, and maybe executioner's chariot or skeleton lords are the only real fun/unique bosses. The rest are pretty much the same old "slowly turns around and smashes" stuff like Asylum Demon was.

>>162862997
DS2 DLC bosses are pretty much all good.

DS2's DLC is exactly what you would expect DS2 to be after playing DS1 or DS3, the DS2 main game is still good, but not good in the same way those games were.

>>162865864
>Lost Sinner, Pursuer, Belfry Gargoyles, Looking Glass Knight, and maybe executioner's chariot or skeleton lords are the only real fun/unique bosses
None of those are fun. Sinner, Pursuer, LGK all feel like the same boss with minor variations in moveset. Gargoyles are liquid shit and one of the worst add fights in franchise.

>>162862997
>Without spoiling anything, how many bosses are any good?
almost none
one vanilla boss (darklurker), a few dlc ones (both in the same dlc) but they are still painfully mediocre
>Are there any that are on the level of fights like Manus, Allant, or Ludwig?
no, nononono
if you're expecting Ludwig-tier fights you're going to be insanely disappointed
fuck, Manus looks like a next-gen fight compared to anything in both vanilla ds2 and with dlcs

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>>162866056
>he never fought LGK with player-controlled mirror squires

>>162866056
Every boss in dark souls feels like the same boss with minor variations in movesets, or with some gimmick, like 2/3 of them being faced at once.

But Lost Sinner, Pursuer, Gargoyles, LGK, and the Chariot all actually move around, keep after you, and use different attacks, unlike EVERY other boss in the game. So yeah, they're more fun.

>>162862997
they are all trash bosses. dont bother playing this game

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>>162866282
>nigger is summoned
>cast wog as he jumps out of mirror
>1hko
>proceed to bullying the poor LGK who shoots his energy attack in opposite direction from me for the rest of a battle

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>>162862997
>>>>>>>>>>>how many bosses are any good?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>162866337
>Every boss in dark souls feels like the same boss with minor variations in movesets
Other souls games have bosses with much more different tactics and moveset variety.
Two "humanoids with weapons" in DS1, BB or 3 can play completely different and require you to adapt to their moveset. In DS2 there's only one boss who requires a little change of tactics and that's an insanely overhyped Fume.

i've killed 100s of heide knights and not a single piece of their armor has dropped. what the fuck is wrong?

>>162866626
>what the fuck is wrong?
you playing a shit game faggt

>>162866678
fuck you bitch sotfs is good better than 99.9% of games out there

I'm having a very hard time summoning you cid, I'm sorry for this

>can't be summoned again
Oh well, I'm trash but it was fun while it lasted.

>>162866728
i rather play assassin's creed than tani's garbage piece of shit he calls a game

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>tfw no option to open or close your helmet

I fucking hate the herald helmet because it fuses really good with most chestpieces, without neck seams but IT'S FUCKING OPEN FUCK YOU MEMEKEKI

>>162866732
Just restarted my game. If it still doesn't work I'll call it a night.

>>162866626
i think you have to go into NG+ for them to start dropping items

>>162862997
DS2's best value is in the PvP, not the PvE, though it does have a ton of content and weapons to collect, if that's your thing. It plays more like a JRPG in that sense, the fun is in the resource management, optimization, and slow progression, not in the cutscenes or fancy bosses or flashy movesets.

It's still a great game, definitely worth the money. But people circlejerk over how 'bad' it is because the single player experience doesn't feel as cool because the bosses are terrible. But there's about 20-30% of the gameplay that is just fuckin' awesome and unique under the rest of 'meh'.

So if you're the type of person who feels an entire game is ruined because of a few bad experiences you have in it, then you should not play it. There are mediocre parts, and they will ruin the whole game for you. Stick to a AAA highly produced title with no controversies instead.

If you're the type of person who can tolerate a mediocre game to explore some parts (like the PvP or the DLC) that are very fun, then it's for you. Play through the single player, back up your save, do a bunch of PvP, use soul vessels, do the DLC, try out 100 different weapons, etc.

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Got no respect for these forest dudes.

>>162866923
nope

>>162866893
Looks like it's not working. Thanks for coming. I'll keep trying to summon as long as you place the sign

>>162866979
>DS2's best value is in the PvP
So it has no value as souls pvp is horrible no matter how hard you mask it.
The only value of souls pvp is random invasions and DS2 has the worst invasion system in series thanks to a combination of SM and lack of full orb.

>>162866626
Drop rates in DS2 aren't based on percentage, they're a threshold system.

If Item discovery > (item drop value +/- random value) then you get the item.

So killing an enemy 1000 times in a row at 0 item discovery is less likely to drop an item than killing them 10 times with some item discovery equipment on.

If you don't have full item discovery equipment, you just -wont- get certain items.

>>162867172
>it's this guy again

>THIS GAME IS TRASH GAME BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT AND IT'S NOT LIKE MY GAME

>>162867121
It's alright. It's probably my 3rd world internet being shit.
Tanks for letting me join.

>>162865828
>boulder heave
I had so much fun in the archives with that thing. It's so good for knocking people off edges.

>>162867340
i have the explorer hat and 3 coins, killed 40 of them, not a single item :/

>>162866824
>>162866728
>>162866678
>>162866626
>>162867172

If the only reason you post on /dsg/ is to shout out how butthurt you are over a game you don't like, you should stop playing dark souls and move on with you life.

Unless your goal is to make the thread hit bump limit faster, then sure, post ahead. You're accomplishing nothing else, though.

>>162867696
>PCuck thinking im the only one who hates dork souls 2
topkek

>>162867696
Most 4channers in general are self-absorbed little shits that find enjoyment over arguing. You came to the wrong place if you were looking for some kind of genuine discussion and not just mindless blabber from people that think their opinion is objective.

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thx mizayaki for giving me muscles on tip of my sword this fucking game sometimes kek

>>162867910
>has no information regarding what platform someone plays on
>what platform they play on has nothing to do with the conversation
>assumes PC
>starts shit with PC players once again for no reason

Consolefags everyone.

>>162867557
Multiple coins do not stack. It just resets the timer until they run out.

Explorer hat = 15 discovery
coin: 50 discovery
Watchdragon Parma = 50 discovery
Gold serpent ring: 100 item discovery
Symbol of avarice: 100 item discovery

So using hat+coin isn't even as effective as the gold serpent ring. Try that.

Also, it's unconfirmed but being in the covenant that respawns enemies infinitely might also lower the drop rates.

>>162867054
Get off it dude

procedurally generated meme dungeons when?

also someone please co-op with me. i don't care if you want to help me or need help I just want to have a 4-player co-op session for maximum fun

>>162853403
>this nigga hasn't used the storyteller's staff

>>162854264
I played all of the first game on Patch 1.0: humanity never, because I had an xbox360 but not xbox LIVE.

>>162868351
He said buildups. Have you ever tried to toxic someone with gaylord's? It has a decent speed actually

>>162867910
>NOT YOUR OPINION, MY OPINION

>>162866728
>NOT YOUR OPINION, MY OPINION

>>162866678
>NOT YOUR OPINION, MY OPINION

>>162866558
>NOT YOUR OPINION, MY OPINION

>>162866372
>NOT YOUR OPINION, MY OPINION

>>162865809
>NOT YOUR OPINION, MY OPINION

99% of 4chan threads

>>162868035

That looked just as bs on my end when I landed it.

>>162858123
>Arc of Deliverance

Top class taste, but somebody didn't play Bitterblack.

>>162868561
these are best types of arguments anon

they keep dead shit alive

also someone join 2v2

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Is anyone around on PS4 to help me transfer souls and a ring between characters? pls respond

Anyone else disappointed that there isn't a pve oriented, non-co-op covenant in Ds3?

>>162868896
I have a character with almost every item in the game.
Just give me a list and i might be able to give you the stuff, straight away.

i'm so fucking done with gank squad straight sword spam

how the fuck do you put up with this shit

GARBAGE FUCKING BALANCE

>>162869141
I just wish there was more pve content

i've literally spend over 500 hours doing chalice dungeons for fun

>>162869160
I was just going to transfer a stack of 99 venerable old hands souls and Havel's +2 between characters. If you have souls and+2 rings though I will gladly accept them, specifically chloranthy, wolf and life+3

>>162869141
I really liked Pilgrims of the Dark,and I feel like there's a lot of missed opportunities to add replay value through PvE covenants.

>>162869352
Right away
I'll place my Red sign at the Highwall

Pass is: setup

>>162869260
play pyro. It's funny how many of those idiots with trade a single r1 with a black flame. Three hits later, I'm at 3/4 hp and they're dead.

As for ganking, chaos fireball can be a mortar when used to aim free hand.

>>162869496
Thanks a ton, coming now

>>162869592
Any weapons you're interested in.
I have a couple +10s

>>162865976
>all bosses are good
>gank squad
>cool ranch smelter
>lmao2cat

Each of them had two really fun bosses and one unforgivably shit one.

>>162870008
Sure could you drop the black knight greataxe, winged knight twin axes, follower javelin, and crow quills?

>>162870142
i sadly don't have +10s of Twin Axes and Crow Quills.

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PC FC is over, thank you all for coming.

>>162870249
All good I'll take whatever you feel like dropping at this point, it's all great. I really appreciate it.

>>162870353
alright, that should just about, do it.

>>162870661
Thanks again anon

Anyone else think there are many normal enemies that are more thrilling or evoke more of an emotional response during their entrance than many bosses in souls games? Also normal enemies that are actually harder and kill you more times than bosses?

Pontiff's puppers are like that for me. Like when you first start walking across the bridge and you hear a sound and look behind you and that big fucking croc mouth is coming at you sonic fast and you're like OH FUCKING SHIT FFFFUUUCCCKK and you gotta fight that the first time? I swear especially in the water reserve because on my first playthrough I didn't know you could take them on separately with a bow, I died so many times until I was able to beat both of them. They were fucking terrifying with their speed and ferocity and huge gaping maws, I loved it. I died to them way more times than to pontiff himself, oddly enough.

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DS2 DLC are the proof that a Souls game made entirely from the beginning by their director, would be the best in the series

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PC FC HIGH WALL PASS DSG

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

>>162871126
GOOD NEWS
I'M COMING
Forgive the leddit tier name though

>>162870813
>take them on separately with a bow
This did not work with me
On a side note, WHY DO THEY BEG FOR MERCY AFTER BEING RIPOSTED

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>Download DS3 DLC
>First encounter is 50 dogs at once
Fuck this. Does it get any better?

>>162871474
You're shit.

>>162871474
They only gank you if they get off a howl. Try and stick to the sides to prevent that.

>>162871474
>yes, the BIG DOG JUMPS DOWN TO HELP THEM
The boss fight is pretty great, both boss soundtracks are great

>>162870857
No. Miyazaki is a terrible developer and awful writer. He is an alright conceptual designer and VERY good at creating atmosphere.

But more than that, however, is that he is a very creative man who has played a political game to become the head of an indie developer, giving him free reign over design and level choices within their games. This is where he shines.

If you remove a supportive publisher and a massive budget away from Miyazaki, you know what he becomes? That fat kid with legos who talks about his 500 page final fantasy fanfic and how deep it is but he can't write or draw for shit. Miyazaki NEEDS chains.

Most of Dark souls plot, lore and style was stolen straight from early armored core games, but just replacing the names of things with stuff out of a Japanese dark fantasy manga.

>>162871126
sorry for the australian internet. Swapping to my mobile data now to stop it

>>162871581
He's basically that guy who sits in the back of the class and they waves his hands around going "you know what would be cool? if -this- did -this-, man" and it only works because everyone else at From are neckbeard devs who just nod and go "oh wow that is cool"

The From Software of 2011 is not the From Software of 2016, they all got fired.

>>162871581
>out of a Japanese dark fantasy manga

mostly berserk.

>>162871528
Fights where there are a million enemies jumping around swarming you fucking suck in every Souls game and if you disagree you're probably a shit taste faggot who liked the Royal Rat Authority in DS2

>firefox update minimises game halfway through a duel

thanks obama

>>162871396
From the pontiff eye rings:

Bewitched ring that Pontiff Sulyvahn bestowed upon his knights.

Recovers HP with successive attacks.

Knights who peer into the black orb are lured into battles of death, transformed into frenzied beasts. No wonder the Pontiff only provides these rings to those dispatched to foreign lands.

So the puppers are knights who went beyond(the beast transformation) the ones we fight, like Vordt, the Dancer, and the boreal outriders.Theres even a human dog in irithyll right after Yorshka's church.

ALEKSANDRA COME BACK

>>162871396
Do people really need to use a bow at all? I've fought those things on 3 playthroughs and never had to do any pulling. They are naturally positioned where you can take on one at a time pretty easily

Are there any early long-reach weapons in DS3?
In DaS you could get the Zweihander immediately or the claymore basically immediately, and in DS2 the Black Guard Halberd was an easy snag.

DS3 everything feels so fucking SHORT and I'm constantly getting my shit smacked in because the stupid weapons I have always land short

>>162874071
Claymore is right there in High Wall. Want something longer? Lothric Knight Spear, bit of a hassle to farm, but also right there in High Wall.

>>162874353
You can buy the spear from Greirat

>>162871559
>>162871474
>tfw modern DaS players are this unobservant

Only the big chunky fuck out of each pack howls and summons others. Kill him first and all you have to do is mop up the smaller ones. If you let them chain howl after the first one and chase you into the wilderness, you have only yourself to blame.

Wtf is wrong with follower torch weapon art

>>162874353
Okay let me rephrase:
Are there any GOOD long-reach weapons early on in DS3?
D/D scaling is fucking garbage. The only reason the claymore was so good in DaS was because of it's C/C

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>>162870857
nice meme dude. the dlcs were awful, just ganks after ganks, it was even worst than the regular game.
>but there was this one good boss and this other one was good too
it still sucked other than that.

>>162874692
You mean why is it so terrible?

>>162874847
Well I'm the one who's terrible considering how I got rekt by the weapon art, but I felt like sometimes it shouldn't have hit me
Also I didn't expect it to have hyper armor

>>162874767
You know that you can use refined gems to make most weapons in the game C/C or B/B right?

>>162874767
well, besides the claymore and the spear, your only beat is bows and crossbows or magic

>>162855180
I mean, you want 100% of the game, completely understandable.

t. person who also did the same

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Pure amazing kek.

>>162875004
If the torch could just stun for two hits like a normal weapon it would be decent at least.

What did you guys think of Ashes of Ariandel? I just finished it and really enjoyed it. Two bosses kind of sucks, but the quality of the Friede fight sort of makes up for it. Really liked the world design of the whole area too.

Also, what's the deal with the bizarre way the champions gravetender is dressed?

>>162875304
because chainmail is a meme

>>162857071
Is that the Dragon Knight's Helm form DDA?

>>162874767
>LKLS
>Claymore
>bad
>thinking scaling means that much
>not just using the refined gem sitting by Dancer

Alright then you fucking lunatic

>>162871126
FC OVER THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR COMING

maybe someone else can host

Anyone wanna help/do a chalice dungeon with me

>>162875427
me

where do you want me to "ring my bell" lad

What are you listening to, fellow FC anons ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoCpqOqFj4M comfy

>>162875272
I never used it, but the fact that it doesn't stun for two hits is ridiculous

>>162875465
I'm doing a rotted lower hintertomb, I've never cooped in a chalice dungeon before so I dont really know how it works, I've opened it up to pubelic though

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>>162875673
Lad, unless you're just trying to see all the bosses in the game there is literally n oreason to ever go through the Hintertombs

It drops absolutely nothing of value besides a gear set and a PvP chalice

I'd help, but I don't even have HT chalice

>>162875854
I'm doing it so I can get mats to make an Ailing Loran Chalice

>>162875959
See step 3

>>162875304
Pretty sure he's supposed to look like chainmom, which was a popular PvP build from the first Dark Souls. People would wear the mask of the mother, chain armor, and the hollow warrior waistcloth and more or less looked like the Gravetender.
I have no idea why they would reference it but not add the mask of the mother, though.

Any advice on pyro builds? I've never done these before. Do you just put 40/40 in INT/Faith and then put the rest in attunement, vitality, and endurance?

Could Havel the Rock stop his cheats ?