/dbdg/ - Dead by Daylight General

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>>162253032

>>Latest Patch Notes (v1.2.1b)

>>162253260
Its been copied over a bunch of times no one cares to change it to the newest one

>>162253318

Even the Evolve shit is still in there, get that nonsense outta there.

>>162253535
Yeah i guess it doesnt need to be there since the games fucking dead now but what should replace it or just get rid of it all together?

>>162253826

Get rid of it for now, may be replaced with F13 stuff in the future.

>>162253826

>What is Dead by Daylight?
Asymmetrical Online multiplayer. 4 survivors scramble to fix 5 generators, while 1 killer wants to sacrifice all of them

>Official Wiki
http://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Dead_by_Daylight_Wiki

>Discord Chat
https://discord.gg/Eb3WFHz

>Steam Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dbdgeneral

>Latest Patch Notes (v1.3.1)
http://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/154642901285984203/
Here, less useless shit instead of links no fucking one cares about or are just a google search away.

>>162253826
>What is Dead by Daylight?
A buggy laggy faggy saggy piece of cucknadian garbage.

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Infinite hooks is literally the biggest example of salty survivors killing the game.

As soon as that patch hits, this game is dead. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

>>162254217

As soon as that hits, slugging is just going to intensify. They're digging their own graves.

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I think wraith needs a nerf. This was nowhere close to 2/2 ratio the devs are looking for even though I've used the oldest trick in the book.

>>162254217
what >>162254406
said
>slugging is cancerous
>letts continue to discourage killers from picking up and hooking people

>>162254406
>>162254587
I'm just waiting for them to ruin flicks.

Is hag the most unfun killer to play against? If she downs someone it's epic basement saves, since her stun is broken. If she downs you it's basement time. And they always proximity camp. Bloody hell.

Dunno if anybody else feels the same but Hag's pallet break animation looks really stupid and has no weight to it.

Can't wait to see her use it with Brutal Strength.

>>162255062

I want a killer that picks up the pallet and flings it off the map

>>162254745
didnt they do that already

>infinite hooks

This better not mean that they let Survivors be hooked an infinite number of times. I haven't played in a while and I swear to fucking god I will hook camp every single survivor if they do this.

>>162255491
inb4 a frog bug and you toss the survivor out the map

>>162255738
It means there's no hook progression on stage 1, they'l hang around until somebody unhooks them

>>162255828

So what the fuck happens if you get everyone on a hook for their first time? The game just doesn't end?

>>162255640
Did for billy, now they're thinking about doing it with regular hits.

>>162255891
Yes. They will try to jump off the hooks. There is a 5% chance they will successfuly escape the hook and a 25% chance they will enter the struggle phase. Obviously there's a 70% chance nothing happens and they can try jumping off again.

>>162255828

So basically they're handing all the survivors one free fuck up. Boy that's not game breaking or anything. It's already bad enough Survivors can teabag on pallets now they know they're invincible until they get hooked twice.

Holy fucking shit this game is going to be dead within three months.

>>162255491
>tfw no ranged killer that shoots the pallet

>>162256021

>1 free hook
>pallet loops
>Infinites
>Decisive Strike

May as well give the killers jester hats, complete with the bells so you can tell exactly where they are. They're jokes after all.

>>162256150
Don't forget about flashlights

I'm pretty sure every bitching killer main kills at least two players in a game.

>>162256241

Oh right right

>Instant blind flashlights (that can be chained!)
>Self heals on everyone!!

Sprint burst was nerfed at least

>>162256287

Honestly if all 4 of them are griefing the shit out of me to the point of frustrated yells, I don't care if I kill. It's the same "you pipped, you had fun" argument. I don't care if I got 25k points, if it was a grueling, frustrating shitshow I did not fucking have fun.

>>162256287
that doesnt change the fact survivor mains are crying this game into a state where killers will get none every game

Every game with a SWF or decent survivors is being accused of stream sniping by Trutalent on stream.

I like watching the guy and all but he's being extra retarded today for some reason.

>>162256451
>I run sprint boost and selfcare when I spam infinites/teabag behind pallets but the killer tunnels me for no reason and I get hooked
>added DS
>I run ds too now but once he gets me he camps me for no reason
>added infinite hooks
Whats next on the list?

>>162256991
Flicks.

>>162256150
infinites aren't a thing anymore with the new changes.

>>162257059
there are sill infinites anon

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>>162256287

Not me. Almost everygame survivors do 4 gens, leave 1 almost finished one and then start screwing around until everyone is safe or until they had their fun. But I get to smack them around and get so many points, so everything is cool right? Not really. You're missing what killers are after, it's killing. How the game is right now, if you ever kill someone too fast, you're considered unfun and doing it wrong.

You ought to be a really shitty killer to go into a game and think to yourself "I only have to kill a max of two people!".

>>162257135
No, because they're named "mindgames" now

>>162254406
>>162254587
then they're going to let survivors get themselves up or remove bleed out, or both. survivors dying is unbalanced and toxic

>>162257181
>Almost everygame survivors do 4 gens, leave 1 almost finished one and then start screwing around until everyone is safe or until they had their fun

And this shit here is why I feel like a fucking jester. The gates should close after a minute of being opened. You opened it then fucking leave. But no, they stick around to fuck with me because they know DS grants a free escape.

>>162257135
Name them, I spent all day going through ones like
>Ironworks
>Coal tower
>Suffocation Pit
>Cowshed
>Abattoir
>Asylum
>Haddonfield
The window blocker actually triggers now.

>>162257181
I actually hate how fast survivors can fix generators. If you're playing against decent survivors they will just rush generators while you're looking for them or chasing anyone.

I thought hag would be nice with her generator regression perk, but survivors can easily break totems in no time. Sometimes they can even spawn nearby your hex totem and destroy it, making your perk useless right at the beginning of a game.

>>162257498

Fixing generators fast is fine, because it would be boring to just sit there for 3 minutes fixing one gen each game. But the game already lost it's tempo in general. Survivors are rarely in any sort of danger unless they're playing against against a tryhard trapper/nurse. It often also depends on the map.

>>162257498
> engineers toolbox stacked with repair speen addons.
>killers patrolling hooks as well because he saw my toolbox as I fix a whole gen in 40 seconds and move on to do it 2 more times before my box is almost depleted.
im sure killers hate me

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>no gun fingers gesture with the DLC

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Friends, faggots? I need some technical advice.

I have a friend who suffers from frequent disconnects though she's on a good connection. We usually play in a group of 3, but she's the only one who has trouble joining games.

Most recently on the hag update she got d/ced within game a bunch, pretty much made it unplayable for her.

I know the game is run peer to peer, so my guess is its related to her router? She has one of those bell aliant fibreop setups.

I'm wondering if anyone here has managed to fix a connection like this, or knows if any ports need to be forwarded etc. It's a real pain that we can't consistently play together. (She only makes it into roughly half of her games)

>>162257181
reminds of those LITERAL cuck posts on reddit (or falseflags, not sure) of "killer" mains talking about how much fun they're having without killing anyone and look they pipped too!!

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REEEEE STOP DISCONNECTING ME MID MATCH

The 2 kills per game average comes from 4 mans all the way through rank 1, then getting shit on until rank reset.

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>>162260030
Have you tried fucking her right in the pussy?

Pic unrelated.

>>162262517
How's your latency experience?

>>162260030
>Friends, faggots? I need some technical advice.

I had a similar problem, I'd randomly drop out games if there was any sort of lag spike (i'd be playing swf and they'd complain about the spike and i'd suddenly be at the loading screen).

DId everything I could with port forwarding, set a dmz, etc, but the only thing that actually fixed it was getting a second dynamic ip put on my account and setting my computer's jack to ip passthrough (the second ip address is necessary or the rest of the connection won't work). This is notably not a very good idea for other reasons, but it was the only thing that worked.

Make sure they aren't running any sort of firewall on the computer, but I'd still suspect the router. I'm also pretty sure that if they were to try and replace the router, it wont fix the issue, as it seems like some sort of configuration problem.

>>162263660

Or I should really say, it's the combination of shitty modem router combos with a really bad peer to peer system.

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>>162263660
>>162263958
I think the aliant modems have a built in firewall that may be stricter than ours. I know the game uses the killer's internet as a host, so 3rd world internet killer means lag for all of us. But when its just her It has to be on her end.

What kind of modem/router do you have out of curiosity? It boggles my mind that this game has an upwards of 200,000 players yet most of the complaining is about things other than the disconnects or lack of steam servers.

I just did two bloodwebs with the Hag and got no perks in either.

>>162264390
Perks aren't 100% at low levels. You get 1 at level 1, 5, and 10. Then is every level.

Because you know, can't have killers stronger than the survivors whom get a perk every web.

>>162264308

I have a Hitron cgnm-2250. While it may be true that the built in firewall on the modem might be strict, the entire point of a dmz is to eliminate that as an issue, which makes that functionality rather pointless.

>>162264537
it's the same with survivors numbnuts. bloodweb changes apply to killers and survivors
levels 1-10= either 0 or 1 perks per web
levels 10-25= either 1 or 2 perks per web
levels 25+= 2 perks per web

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>>162264856
Yeah I considered that, though we haven't tried DMZ yet. Since that means walking her through how to make a static ip etc.

If that fails then there must be something software related going on. Or worse yet, maybe the isp itself is mishandling the traffic because its confusing it with torrents or something.

Wouldnt surprise me since to them it probably looks just like a torrent with many peers from all over the world.

I really feel this game needs two queues. A fun/farm mode and a tryhard mode. Would be the first step to a better world.

>>162264537
That bloodweb system is on survivors too. I've seen multiple people posting pictures of their survivor bloodwebs where they don't get anything on levels 2, 3 and 4. After that you get a perk on every level, and once you hit 25 you get two every level to pick from. This is not mentioning the fact that the nee bloodwebs are so much more forgiving in terms of size and perk variety that any complaint about them just makes me assume you weren't here a couple weeks ago when level 20 bloodwebs of pre oatch were the same dize as level 50 bloodwebs of post patch.

why are you still playing this buggy piece of shit dlc-fest?

>killer whine general

Killers are OP you faggots. Stop your bitching.

>>162265809
Because unhooking people is the only way I can achieve an erection anymore.

>>162265915

prove it

>>162265959
Michael Myers.

>>162266016
git gud

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>>162266016

wow, it's fucking nothing

Any bugs yet involving the teleport?

Anybody got stuck in the Hag during her appearance or something?

>>162266217
How many times have you gotten that swf group. I swear I've seen you kill them before on multiple occasions.

>>162265809
>piece of shit dlc-fest
You're one of those retards who claims DBD is turning into payday 2 aren't you?

>>162266789

It's the same game over n over, I just took like 3 pics since I didn't feel like cropping and putting it all together for one big chat picture. Also to have something to post occasionally.

>>162266196
Says the whining killer babby who still can't win the game on easy mode

>>162265809
There are no alternatives right now.

>>162266845
Ah, well that makes sense.

Oh man what if instead of putting you on a hook the killer would like poop in your mouth and make you eat it.

haha

>>162253936
>Discord Chat
n o

>>162267084
>>162267226
>subtitel

Twice man, fuck. Get it together.

>>162267136
Discord sees a fair amount of use in getting people together for swf and kyf games. This is one of the few generals where having a discord actually helps rather than just providing a breeding ground for cancer.

>>162267061
what if you could suck a cock of a survivor hanging on a hook

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>>162267375
But can it help us get official servers and stop this awful lag cancer

>>162267474
It's certainly not causing obstruction to those things.

>>162267375
>threads are dead as fuck
>hey guys lets talk in discord instead that'll help
n o
o

>>162267375

That's pretty much every discord since people arent anonymous. Then you lure people with that out of the thread and have a dead thread. But... when people from 4chan want to check out the game, do they go look for the 4chan discord or check out the thread rather?

>>162267438

Yeah it's op. That's why there's shitty perks showing up multiple times in the shrine while Save the best for last still hasn't. The only way to get it is by buying the DLC.

There's so many things wrong with this game and these devs have no fucking idea what they're doing. Or should I say... they're doing their best making money.

>>162267580
Thats not helping though. And thats what this game needs most.

Official servers

>>162267601
>threads are dead as fuck
>we've gotten to bump limit in two threads in less than two days
N O
O

>>162267829
>getting to bump limit means they're not dead
lol discord fags everyone...

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:^)

>>162268045
Is one bulb enough for instablind?

>>162267784
By your logic we should stop making new threads for the general. After all, it isn't helping us get official servers since the devs don't even come here.

>>162267771
You can't organize games like that on here. Most of the people who frequent the discord also post in the thread regularly and are usually the ones making the new threads as well. And considering every general has some sort of discord, it also keeps the thread from being cluttered by people asking if there is one etc. The discord does nothing harmful for the thread, it simply provides a means for groups to play the game together without cluttering the thread.

When frogs are going to buff DLC characters' perks? 2 weeks maybe?
>>162268045
delete this

>>162268164
>The discord does nothing harmful for the thread,
hi i see you're new here
welcome to /vg/!

>>162268249
Ace's perks are fine for what they are. Maybe buff his luck perk and add some sort of cluase that stacking diminishes the effects. Hag needs the entire totem mechanic changed though before her perks can ever be considered useful.

>>162267601
You don't know how much of blogposting and shitposting the discord is containing and be thankful that this discord is actually habitable as opposed to other general's.

>>162267962
If anything's dead it's the game, not the thread, fucking retard.

>>162268278
Not every discord server is the same.

>>162268278
I agree with the idea that most general's discords harm the actual thread, and I'm saying this one is an exception for the reasons I provided. If you don't agree that's your beef.

>>162268417
>If anything's dead it's the game, not the thread, fucking retard.
20k people online right now at fucking 1 pm est yet we're having trouble keeping the thread bumped
hmm....its almost like the core posters in this general are taking their discussion elsewhere...hmmmm i wonder how that could adversely affect the livelihood of the general itself....hmmm i just cant' put my finger in it..

>>162268576
Sloppy, pharadox and kaz arethe most notable posters who aren't in the discord. The rest of the blogposters still post their shit to the thread despite being in the discord. Like me

>>162268576
Who cares faggot, shut the fuck up.

>>162268576

Aside of salt and survivors VS killer arguments, there's not much to talk about in terms of this game anyways. Game could be as lively as it is, but in the end it's pretty shallow and there's not much you'd want to share.

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>>162268983
yeah why don't you try you little queer

>>162268576
I'm sorry, I'll be sure to make a copy of everything I post in the discord and bring it here. Amazing contributions like "@here who wants to swf?"

>>162268576
>the core posters
Sloppy and pharadox are like half of the general themselves. And those numbers don't mean much, there's 56k people playing rocket league right now but they don't have an existing general. Yes, maybe that game doesn't have that much room for discussion, but most of the discussion on /dbdg/ is blogposting, talking about the weekly news, more blogposting, and crying about how shit this game is.

Maybe the reason people don't bother being active is because this game fucking sucks, which is absolutely true, and I bet reddit has super active subreddit or whatever because they're all for games where skill is barely even needed and love whining.

When I created the discord, this general was in the brink of death, (I made it with the purpose of having someone to play with when the general died, but looks like it's still quite alive), or do you not remember the typical UNHOOK INSIDIOUS meme thing? After creating it the thread started to be more lively. Coincidence? Maybe, but seeing that a general has some sort of place where they play together and be active gives a decent impression (depends on the general really) and people get attracted.

I don't even know why I answer to fucking retards like you.

>>162266884
t.survivorcuck

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>>162269581
well gee anon you don't have to be so harsh

>>162269814
Then stop giving shit arguments, it triggers my autism.

>>162269814
The truth hurts.

>>162265351

DMZ configuration on routers is a relatively straightforward affair, and most devices have sufficient documentation online to walk someone through it remotely. You shouldn't need make a static ip address on the router (and certainly not at the isp), if that is a thing you wish to try.

If the isp were mishandling the traffic, then the router would be irrelevant to the disconnection problem, as the data would still ultimately be managed elsewhere. I can certainly see that being part of the problem, in that the additive effect of shitty p2p + shitty traffic management + shitty router configuration is resulting in the problem, but that is all speculative and ultimately not much can be done.

>>162271362
you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>>162272760

wow rude

>>162272760
Was going to post the exact same thing.

>>162273240
no u

>>162273323
haha did you see ow my balls last night haha

>>162268334
To fix Totemshit:
1. They take longer to break
2. Survivors breaking Totems are visible to Killer
3. Survivors can't tell if they have a Hex or not, light them all or extinguish them all

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>>162266217
>dude with sprint, self heal, and decisive crying in chat

>>162273497
I was thinking of something else. No totems are lit at the beginning if the game, the kilker has to manually light them, and the perks stack with each totem lit. Survivors can extinguish the flame, but can't destroy the totem. This way Hag can still get the effects throughout the course if the game and survivors who stay in their toes can dissuade the effects without xompletely neutering it.

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>Jake sabos hook
>Face camp him
>Watch two gens go up in the time for him to die
>Post match calls me a hacker

>>162273748
quit cheating you fucking hacker

>>162273497

Or just do the simple thing of all totems need to be broken to stop the perks.

Losing a perk within 10 seconds of the game starting because a survivor spawned in front of my active totem is nothing short of pure undiluted cancer.

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>>162268045

:^)

>>162273735
That's not a bad idea, really.
>>162273820
>all Totems need to be broken to stop the perks
It'll never get done then. There's always one either in an inaccessible spot or awkward map point that nobody can either safely get to or find.
Why not increase the Totem count to 6 and give the Killer 2 of them per Hex?

>>162274062

>It'll never get done then. There's always one either in an inaccessible spot or awkward map point that nobody can either safely get to or find.
Why not increase the Totem count to 6 and give the Killer 2 of them per Hex?

Okay then. Explain to me why it's fair that you're allowed to flat out completely disable the killers perks?

In that case I should be able to disable sprint burst when I hit someone, you aren't going to sprint with a limp. I should be able to disable decisive, you aren't carrying anything to magically stab me with.

Etc etc. It's completely fucked and one-sided and the frogs know it.

>>162274513
You can disable DS already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pua2aAsuuY

i think gordon was trying to meme on my with scripts. i just want to cheat for free money and the firewall strategy on dbdhacks.net doesn't work, so how do i cheat now that the frogs finally fixed the old method?

>>162274513
It isn't fair to flat out completely disable the killer's perks.
But the Hex bonuses are also very powerful. Requiring all 5 be Snuffed to turn them off is prohibitive to the Survivors (and not in a "you're toxic for trying to kill us!" way, but putting them up against 3 really strong Perks with no real way to turn them off way.)

Hexes are too weak because of the 1 totem thing, I 100% agree, but that doesn't mean the fix is to make it impossible to turn off.

>>162274636

While the video is amusing needing to abuse a bug to get the same results as an intentional thing for the survivors is just, yet again, more pandering to them.

>EW3 lunge a Nea 10 feet from the hatch
>Game says no she gets to escape for free
Fuck these cuck devs.

>>162274731
>korbin has to ask the general how to cheat avain
You have to run this script that lets you start the game with EAC disabled by blocking dbd with your firewall. Ask in tnhe discord

>check out plebbit for a change
>people crying left and right for an immediate fix to the hags lack of stun times
>they also want her camping potential, aka the only thing she has going for her, gutted

I would ask "When do the devs give the killer a suicide option?" but then that just promotes toxicity! Survivors need to do their le ebin jukes in pallet town and teabag vigorously whenever given the chance.

>>162275518
To be fair, the Hag's stun is fucking stupid.
>Decisive does nothing
>Breaking free does nothing
>She just turns around and instant-downs you
Buff her Totems into something beyond useless and fix her Stun Immunity.

>>162275310
>ask in the discord
you mean the one i was instantly banned from? nice meme.

and gordon gave me three scripts, none of them worked

>>162275741

Oh I agree with you 100% that it's retarded, but the double standards are hillarious. A bug in the favour of the killer? FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY! A bug in the favour of the survivors? Nah it's cool it's intendned ;)

Trapper not being able to trap around hooks was a big one iirc. Loads of people trying to kick and scream saying that it should stay as it is because, unsurprisingly, it gives the survivors an advantage.

>>162275824
then you aren't using the scripts correctly

people on each side of the killer/survivor wall think the other side is favored

>>162275913
or the scripts dont work

>>162276110
as somebody who plays both, and as a person who played a lot of evolve, it's inherent to an asymmetrical game to be poorly balanced, specifically in regards to the skill levels involved.

at a very low skill level, dbd favors killers. at the highest, it favors survivors. evolve suffered this exact same issue (monster strong at a low level, hunters strong at a high level), and it was handled so poorly that the game outright died.

>dbd
>skill

>>162275824
>banned instantly

They did right by you I'd say.

>>162276110
I play on both sides of that wall.
Survivors are favored more than Killers, however, Killers have a few genuine issues that need mending.
So do Survivors.
And both sides have some serious problems with hitboxes on occasion.
Like if a tree is a millimeter too close to a plank wall, a Survivor can slip through, but a Killer cannot, even if it's miss midget. Totems in inaccessible spots. Sometimes when walking up to a hook, you can start sabotaging it from 4+ feet away and teleport to the hook.
Hag has some funny glitches where instead of picking you up onto her back, you'll attach to awkward points on her arm and flail around with her arm sprinting, swinging back and forth.
Survivor has a bug where sometimes taking an item into a round causes the item to be lost unless someone else takes it, it'll visually be askew, either in your hand or floating near it and you can't use it or drop it, only trade it with another item and then you still can't even pick the item back up, both other Survivors can.

Etc. etc. they can't fix their shit game to save their lives.

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>>162276157
then how do you explain this, retard?

>>162276480
photoshop

>>162275310
>>162275824
Usual link just says to block the game in firewall. http://dbdhacks.net/en/how-to-hack-bloodpoints/
>>162275909
>it's cool it's intendned
Did frogs actually say something like this?

So when is this game getting servers?

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>>162276584
then how do you explain this, retard?

>>162276720
Never

>>162276480

Autism

>>162276647

Nah it wasn't the frogs who said that since it inevitibly got changed, it was mainly all the survivors crying their hearts out.

>>162276720
When all the killercucks kill themselves

>>162276647
Fucking off yourself you fucking cunt.

>>162276753
too much spaghetti

>>162276764
Its not going to survive without vac servers. Disconnects all day and easy cheating.

>>162274731
Just tell your dad about your pony fetish so he can shove your dildo's up your throat.

>>162276647
ive followed that guide, and it doesn't stop the easy anti cheat from starting and running. in cheat engine it still shows up as a process, are you saying that it will still show up, but you can just use cheat engine anyway and it wont do anything?

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>play on the swamp as Wraith
>feel myself like a predator
This map is probably my favorite. Only played once there as killer, but it was great. I just hope there is no bullshit stuff there

>>162277115
No idea.

>>162276859
I fixed the script bro had numerous people use it and it runs you wouldnt fucking me anything about your comp so i hd to guess shit but the one i sent you will work

>>162277028
>dildo's
>up your throat
???

i have many more pocket pussies than dildos, senpai. im not a faggot. i like to fuck pussies not take dick.

>>162277186
If you have no mobility skills, Hag, Trapper, and Myers, Swamp is fucking huge and painful.
I don't count Hag's traps as a mobility skill because it requires someone set it off before you can use it.

>>162277242
>>162277028

You're both faggots, stop being gay and tell the frogs to buy steam servers

>>162277203
>spoonfeeding faggots
only somebody as gay as you would do that. and you're even pathing the script for him? blacklisted.

>>162277576
We have there to jewish

>>162277576
Your post is almost as shit as Korbin.

>>162277707
Kill yourself

>>162277843
you shouldnt say this to people

Why does almost every single one of the hags addons have a downside to it?

>>162278091
To fuck over waifufags

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>Camping isn't fair
What a good dev would say
>You have enough tools to not get caught, if you do, well the killer deserves those point if he chooses to trade them for map pressure.
What a bad dev would say
>Oh sweet child, yes, that is very unfair, we'll be giving you more tools to keep you from dying, allow "camping" to be a loose term, but yet a bannable offense and best of all we'll make you basically immortal unless you get caught more than once!

Not refuding this game when I first bought it is the biggest regret of my life.

>>162278271
Were all stuck in this hell

>>162278271
>Not refuding this game when I first bought it is the biggest regret of my life.
you have led a pretty boring and likely pathetic life

>>162278271
reading this is a bit misleading
>camping isn't fari
what a good dev would say
>You have enough tools to not get caught, if you do, well the killer deserves those point if he chooses to trade them for map pressure.
what a bad dev would say

>>162278271
>just don't get caught

So infiniting is the answer?

>>162278663
Are they still a thing?

>>162278764
Yes

>>162278467
Remember where you are familia

>>162277647
>blacklisted
Wut

>>162278764
>>162278795
The only Infinite that still works is the one on Macmillen with the 2-story house with a huge hole in the 2nd floor wall.
And it's easy to intercept a player doing it if they get too into it.

>>162278795
Wow

>>162278764
No, they don't exist
It's all mindgames

>>162278663
Its an actually sad thing that "not getting caught" means abusing infinites rather than being stealthy in the minds of most survivors.

>>162278983
They take so much skill.
>>162279000
And waisting time instead of losing the killer.

>>162278908
They fixed ironwork asylum and the double window roof in haddonfield?

>>162279137
Any Infinite that required a Window is now capped at 3 loops.

>>162279137
Kinda it can still generate to be an inf

>>162279379
What if they switch windows? Like ones on haddonfield where you can go on different rooftops? Does the counter reset or no?

>facecamp someone because the gates are open
>camp someone because the rest of the team is 10 feet away
>camp because if you dont they are gaurenteed to get away
>camp because they are SWF fucking niggers
>camp because its the only strategy that works and you HAVE to camp to win as killer
>"OH MY FUCKING GOD FUCKING CAMPING FAGGOT! REPORTED!"
who the fuck thought reporting was a good idea? shouldn't survivor reports at least be least 1/4 a report as a killer? every survivor that gets camped or even killed is just going to report the killer

>>162279548
The counter resets after a while, but it does take a good amount of time.
And yes, you can switch houses. Each house qualifies as an Infinite in that regard.

>>162279613
If you can make it to the other house

>>162279379
They actually nerfed something that hurt survivors?

Serious doubt.

>>162279589
devs said they won't ban for camping

>>162279865
Did you not read the patch notes?

Adding better systems around hiding from the killer rather than avoid the killer and then running if he finds you would alleviate a lot of these problems imo.

The ridiculous overemphasis on chase mechanics for points is also a big driver of these problems: half of the points for survivors are for doing things that you really shouldn't want to do, ideally. That you can sometimes not pip for successfully avoiding the killer the entire match and doing a few generators is idiotic, and it astounds me that they don't seem to get why it is that the survivor perks seen as the best in the game are all ones that involve improving your ability to deal with a killer that has found you, rather than avoid them in the first place.

>>162279971
>believing anything they say
i bet they will just automate their bans like every other shitty dev team and game, then SFW will mass report any killer that doesn't let them win for auto-bans

>>162280096
which is why last year and f13 have a lot more potential to be way better
they realize the chase shit isn't fun when the survivors have so much power to cuck you with, you either hide or fight back

>>162280096
That's what makes the game good, the chase. Personally I do not play this game to play glorified hide-n-seek, and I believe most agree with that sentiment.

>>162280534
the chase stops being fun when the killers are stopped dead in their tracks by thin balsa wood

>>162279971
It doesn't matter.
You get 5 report for anything, ban.

Why do i get reported and called camper when I refuse to leave a hook when there are 3 survivors arround? Should i just leave and let them open the gates? They told me that I should let people of the hook and not camp because its more points and that i had no excuse. Are survivors rigth, should we just afk and let them go?

>>162280927
You, my friend, are a victim of survivor salt.
You're find, they're just mad.

>>162280732
Best part is that you can't do shit even if you know it's coming

How do I even use Devour Hope? People were unhooking left and right but I never get any tokens for it

>>162280927

Just go by their logic, your objective is to get points. And that's all there is to it. Because the moment you pull out one argument, they bounce off to another one. It's always killers who have to adapt to what survivors say, because there's more of them so their sheepstorm potential is higher.

>>162266810
Isn't it? It's got paid DLC at roughly the same rate.

>>162280534

That wasn't to suggest that chase mechanics should go away (nor really would they), but rather that as it stands there is really little other options afforded by the games mechanics Clearly you can somewhat hide:closets are a thing, and being smart about what generators you do and when are important.

What I don't agree with, and what I think has caused this weird balancing problem, is that the chase mechanics have been so strongly emphasized both in terms of points and in terms of stuff available to the player that it has pushed out any other nuances in play. It's why infinites are such a problem, and why decisive strike seemed like a good idea. Having other ways to beat the killer (if you play well) than just running away from pallet to pallet until you either fuck up or they give up is pretty one dimensional.

>>162281260
well put

>>162281229
>omg paid dlc now the game is terrible cause i should have everything for free and devs should work for years on a game without making any money omg game ruined terrible 0/10 review i'm taking my 2 dollars elsewhere till they release dlc and i get mad

Lol fuck off you poor moron.

>>162280927
Yes, they ctually think you are supposed to leave when they all literally stand right next to the hook.
You're also supposed to always let self-unhooks escape and let them wriggle free while you try to carry them to some faraway hook

>>162281153

They broke your totem. You need to get the tokens before they cleanse it.

>>162281153
Gotta be far away, 24 meters. If totem is up.
>>162281229
Really? Same timings?

>play as killer
>infinite loading screen
>have to kill the process
>try to play as survivor
>hit join lobby and alt tab
>come back to a loading screen with the overlay that says join lobby

What the fuck is going on with this shit game?

I've finally started playing killer again after going months without and holy shit, survivors are so utterly broken now.

So many fucking ways to disable a killer or kite them infinitely, then there's all the insane perks they get like Decisive Strike, Sabotage, self heal...how the fuck is a Killer supposed to compete with that?

>>162281458
They released a paid DLC killer/survivor and then released another just a month later. With a half-assed cosmetic pack inbetween.

>>162266810

Payday2 dlc isn't even that bad, I loved the constant 2-3 month release schedule of new content.

Idk why this triggers retards aside from when they see the steam store page years down the line and go "WHY DOES THIS HAVE SO MUCH DLC!!???"

Daylight is handling it's dlc fine, but kids and br's are too cheap to buy it(or wait for a sale).

And the shrine still lets you get the teachable perks if you want them for free anyways, so I'm not seeing the problem with the dlc.

>>162281719
And thats a problem why? More content is a problem why?

I seriously want new game types where fixing gens isn't the only objective.

Like, I want just a huge maze where the only objective is to get to the exit before he killer kills you.

>>162281894
Well, for one, they don't even test their paid content before they push it out.

>>162281894
It's a problem because balance is still fucked, not to mention the friggin agme itself spergs out far more than it should
Shit like
>>162281569
isn't exactly uncommon
Also why the fuck do killers still host games?

>>162282090
Yes they do. All games have troubles with bugs and balancing takes time.
>>162282170
>the balance isn't the greatest so i should get content for free

Wow absolutely retarded reasoning.

Why is this game so fucking laggy?

>>162282278
>Yes they do.
>Not once did they ever have a Survivor use Decisive Strike on Hag or wiggle out in time and realize she's stun immune

>>162282278
>All games have troubles with bugs and balancing takes time.
It would take one single playtest to notice that the Hag isn't stunned as long as other killers, and that she can farm points by trapping downed players. They already had this happen twice with previous killers so don't claim that they couldn't have known.

>>162282404
because you live in mozambique

>>162282278
>the main game still needs work don on balance and technical issues
>instead they shit out dlc content and cosmetics
>which also have more balance issues and bugs
>this is okay because I pay for it
Now that's idiocy

>>162281731
7 dollars for a killer / survivor
>someone is defending this

I am curious about this, because I suspect it likely explains a lot of the relative volume levels of survivors: is there a breakdown the distribution of ranks? Killers will be a mess due to how easy it is to get enough points to rank up regardless of the amount of people you hook, but I suspect that for survivors you will a large hunk in the 20's (you would need to eliminate inactives), a smaller but still decently large chunk around rank 1, and then a gulf in between.

The use of bloodpoints as a rank scoring mechanic was ill-conceived, and if my suspicions are correct, is responsible for this rather shitty community, above and beyond the emphasis on getting players into matches asap rather than ensuring player skill is well matched.

>>162282567
While I agree with you, the Cosmetics portion is passable because art assets =/= code work.

Even though they outsource half their new art assets from the community and then charge for them and it could be handled as a proper item rewards system (the items are literally labeled Rewards) instead of just "giv mon plz."

>>162282498
No, I live in maine.

>>162282627

It should be 5, but its honestly not that expensive.

>>162282627
and maps, and perks.

That's all this game is, actually maps and perks.
If you don't want to pay they pith 7 dollars, then don't

>>162282756
If you're a killer and you play enough, you will be rank 1. If you're a survivor and you're not absolutely terrible, you'll get to rank 1 so long as you play enough. The scoring and ranking system is just for show, just like the match ratings.

>>162282756
>>162272760

>>162282756
There's tons of high rank killers since it's easy to get BP as a killer, most survivors are stuck at the 20 - 10 range until they get the meme perks to guarantee they survive long enough to just barely eke out a new pip.

>>162282882
What part of maine?

>>162282471
>>162282497
Hag is not stun immune holy shit what kind of meme shit are you making up.

>>162282567
>>162282627
You don't need to purchase it. I imagine you faggots sobbing as you part with your 7 dollars like it matters. I make 7 dollars in like 10 minutes of work.

>>162283093
>what kind of meme shit are you making up.
Okay, sorry. She has a .1 second stun when you wiggle out and a .1 second stun when you Decisive her. So sorry.

>>162283157
>wahhh my decisive strike op retarded perk doesn't save me!

Get over it fag. Stop relying on a crutch.

>>162283093
>You don't need to purchase it
But that's not the point
It's not okay how they ignore all the bugs and balance problems in favor of dlc, which in turn is bugged , just because "nobody forces you to pay for them"

>>162283056
Bradford

>>162283358
>dismissing it just because it affects ds
Fuck off killercuck.

>>162283446
I live in Auburn and don't have any lag issues unless I'm playing against a killer who's south america or europe.
Probably the same with you, because killers host.

I imagine it might be on your end if you were up in limestone or some shit.

>>162283795
>because killers host
I never understood that
Why would they make it like that?

>>162283948
Because the game is completely survivorsided. Trust me, I play killer.

>>162282953

That is what I am baffled by: why implement a rank system at all if it serves no purpose? The proportion of the player base the gets to feel good from being high rank is overwhelmingly negated by those at 20.

>>162282956
You know what I mean?

>>162283006
I've seen plenty of survivors with their 4 slots blinged out, so while I agree those skills make a difference, they don't always.

It almost feels like this system is the dreamchild of some moba player that incessantly complains about elo hell and thinks that by adding a scoring system based on what you do in the game rather than whether you win that this will somehow fix the fact that the common factor of elo hell is always the person in it.

>>162284132
>That is what I am baffled by: why implement a rank system at all if it serves no purpose?
Why implement a perk system if teachable perks exist?

>Start loading match
>Literally hear another survivor quit instantly
Why do they do this? For what purpose?

>>162283398
>the same team working on fixing bugs also makes the dlc
uh.....

>>162283398
>ignoring bugs

They just fixed a bunch you fucking retard. It takes time to fix this shit. They could always abandon the fucking game and let it rot instead of fixing anything.

>>162284132
The rank system used to be much more difficult to get through, so people who were rank 1 were either extremely good at the game or abusing some kind of op strategy.

But a lot of people bitched about "waah why am I not instant rank 1 even though I'm totally l33t 360 noscope MLG pro!!!" so they nerfed it to where everyone could get rank 1 with enough time.

>>162284454
It's a bot some people use solely to annoy people. Some leave right before the timer ticks below 15 to start (sub-15, it'll start even with less than 4 people) and others leave right after match start, comes in Killer and Survivor variants solely to give everyone a shittier time.
No idea why they use them.

>>162284291

Another fine question. I've argued before that the ability to stack perks from any class was a idiotic idea, and now they've really screwed themselves over the the piss crystal system (which was done to alleviate ire about dlc), as now they can't really back out, short of restricting the number of teachable perks you can use on a character. Obviously the player base would just shift to whatever character has most of the desirable perks on that character, but at least you'd had to make some hard choices that aren't due to not having the perks.

>>162285158
All they'd have to do is make them mutually exclusive so you can have one character's meta perks and one character's meta perks only. Some people will choose sprint burst, some will choose self-care, some will choose decisive strike.

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Kind of casually worked on a golden noed icon. On the red background it looked a bit like piss, ideally would make the whole icon and it's background gold-like, but when I started working on the background, realised how much work that would require so I gave up.

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>>162286143

Looks a bit worse in the post game scoreboard since it's so small.

>>162286298
>waaah, how dare the killer camp!!!

>well, dear survivor, in the current state of the game survivors get: Decisive strike (a literal get out of jail free card), the ability to self-heal, the ability to destroy every hook in the game outside the basement, OP lights that can instantly blind almost every killer and most of all, infinites and pallets. In return, the killers get...pretty much nothing.

>waaaah NOOB CAMPER!! GET GOOD!! YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS I'M RANK 1 LIKE EVERY OTHER SURVIVOR!!!

Really, I'm surprised this game has survived as long as it has considering the Devs have no idea what they're doing.

>>162286857
No competition.

>>162286857
Do you still play the game, honestly? Did you buy DLC?

>>162286298
>Literally all 4 running Sprint Burst and Self Care
>1 Decisive
>2 Sabo
Jesus Christ the cancer.

>>162287084
I play occasionally, but I haven't bought any of the DLC.

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>>162287137
Literally the worst

>>162287318
That's kinda the anwser. No matter what, people still play it and buy DLC.

>>162287137

At least the sabo that brought a petrified oak was the one that died. Probably had a toolbox too.

>Hillbilly camps me since the gates are open, fair enough
>Dwight somehow saves me when billy bites the bait and chases Ace
>Dwight eats a chainsaw to the face as I escape
Thanks Dwight, your sacrifice won't be remembered

>down the last two survivors
>hook one of them
>can't find the first one I downed because no deerstalker
>escapes to hatch
not ebin at all..

>>162287898
Flashlight*

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>>162286857
>>162287137

I didn't even facecamp that game as I've used to some days ago. I've been chasing this one claudette for most of the game. About 15 pallets wrecked on thompson house, hooked her twice, let them save her twice, and only started camping nearby when the exit gates were open. Even with that I gave them the opportunity to save her like in webm related. I caught up and sac'd her though. At the end I've grabbed one person off the hatch, couldn't carry them to a hook since most of them were sabo'd. So she just wiggles off and escapes through it eitherway.

But that's just another dbd day.

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>>162288045
>just check the screenshot
>it was the fucking rank 1 ace with all his perks
he jumped in the hatch right as the last guy bled out on the hook
what a lucky guy

>>162285158
>I've argued before that the ability to stack perks from any class was a idiotic idea
It is an idiotic idea but its too far into the game's life to remove it now. The survivor playerbase would quit in mass and effectively kill the game.

>>162288881
>and effectively kill the game
Game will be dead the day Friday the 13th launches anyway.

>>162288881
I really doubt this. They made leveling much easier now and they didn't scream and quit so why would they because of some game changes?

>>162286298
It's strange how this shit from survivors is rare in lower ranks, I dread getting to rank 1 and have to deal with this garbage every game.

>Love playing killer
>Shitty Host
>Have perfect connection as survivor
>Only good at skill checks for Gens
>Always die early because i'm inept
Life is suffering.

>get 3.5 gens fully myself and escape
>get less point than the other people who never even got injured or seemingly did anything much.

This seems like a broken system

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>>162287703
>that filename

>>162288950
Why are people so hyped for friday the 13th? Whats so great about that game? Looks like the same shit as this if not worse. Besides by the time it comes out this game will probably have like 8 killers while they will have 1 LOL.

>>162289527
It actively punishes you for being in Jason's line of sight, so counselors can't teabag mindlessly.

>>162276647
>Did frogs actually say something like this?

Obviously not.

There are a few very occasional bugs that will trap players in positions they can't move from, and these tend to hurt killers more than survivors. This is undeniable proof that the developers are deliberately trying to prevent killers from ever killing a single survivor.

>>162289527
People just want a better game really bad.
At least half of it is desperation

>>162289527
More depth and ways to play, and the game is designed to favour the killer.

>>162289527
>Why are people so hyped for Friday the 13th?
Because people have wanted a revival of the Slasher Horror genre for a while. And games are a fun way to experience it.

Damned was total garbage.
Dead by Daylight's not total garbage, but it's still pretty mediocre/bad.
Friday the 13th is next up on the chopping block and thus everyone is hopeful.
>If not worse.
Jason being slower than Campers is a definite major difference.
Jason's also far more powerful than a DBD Killer.
I'd rather have one really good Jason Vorhees compares to 8.. whatever we have in Dead by Daylight.

>>162289843
>designed to favor the killer
So the game will die. This game already favors killers. Favor them anymore and no one would play. Guess its good they have bots cause thats all you'll be killing.

>>162289915
and after that regardless of how good or bad f13 is, we'll be looking forward to last year which seems to be a more middle ground between dbd and f13
for those who haven't seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5LaBXkodY
slasher games general here we come

>>162290242
>This game already favors killers
t. one of my sfw party members actually died

>>162290281
I'd like that.
Damned wasn't actually bad, but because it had a playerbase in the 1 digits, you could never play it and AI were too fucking good.

>>162290242
>This game already favors killers
its 100% does not.

>>162290281
I think Friday will take the majority of the market and whoever stays with DbD for the fast match arcadey action will switch to Last Year when that releases.

>>162290454
>Damned wasn't actually bad, but because it had a playerbase in the 1 digits, you could never play it and AI were too fucking good.
I used to play it quite a bit but I usually had 4-5 friends to play it with.

>>162289527

Some people have no understanding of reality and imagine that anything bad that happens to them (like an unsatisfactory element in Dead by Daylight) must be the result of either willfully gross incompetence or deliberate persecution. Thus, they assume that sheer perfection is right around the corner, and have placed this expectation on F13 as it's the biggest upcoming game with Dead by Daylight's playstyle.

>>162284734
I don't think you realize how big Behav1our is
There's no excuse to take months fixing the simplest shits, infinites and perks

>Yet another round of MM just using EW3 whenever for free kills
I know killers have it bad but there's no way you can say playing against EW3 Myers is at all fun

>>162290814
It's a fact that the DbD devs are grossly incompetent. Almost every new killer has been able to farm deviousness points on downed/hooked players. They do not learn from their mistakes, and that is the biggest sign of stupidity.

>>162290814
>perfect
Why would anyone expect perfection? I just expect it to give me that tense, suspenseful feeling mixed in with fun.

>>162290938

I just don't like looking around while fixing a gen. Literally being forced to look 3 ways all the time. In regards of balance, for as the few games I play against him, I fare well enough that his noed runs out shortly after he catches me. So he doesn't have a free 99% noed when people go to save me, you can work with that.

>>162289527
While its only one killer his costumes might be given different strengths and weaknesses.

>>162290542
I think anyone who thinks Friday will take the majority of the market is delusional. The reason DBD has a playerbase that keeps coming back is because it requires mechanical skill mixed in with the hide and go seek part of the game. A game where you're just playing purely hide and go seek might be fun for a little while, it'll get boring extremely quickly because there isn't much depth to it and there's just not enough to learn.

As shitty as DBD is in a lot of ways creatively the game is really well done, Hillbilly is a prime example of what I mean in terms of killing. I mean I know they recently shit on his skill ceiling with the removal of flicking but he's still a fun killer to pick up and learn. You have to know when to use the chainsaw, how to get a hit, how to avoid jukes at close range, what kind of turns you can make, and even how the maps function. The part of the game where you're just looking around for Survivors is just a small part of what makes DBD fun, and I don't think you could build a satisfying game around that mechanic alone.

Same goes for Survivor, there's more to the learning curve than just crouching like a bitch in a random area.

>>162290938
it's more fun playing against him than against any other killer. You actually get the horror and thrill when at start you don't hear when he's near, and when he's at stage 2 you fear how close he is to EW3

I hate dumb people who go for rescues when EW3 is still active, then get oneshotted

Myers is perfectly balanced, it takes him like a minute or two of staring at people to get the oneshots, and during that time he could have caught that survivor anyway.

>>162290938
Its not that hard to play around it. There's obvious sound cues when EW3 is up or falls back down to 2. Just hide it out and try not to go for saves unless your very sure he's gone. It only lasts 60 seconds and he can't use it more than 4 times per match.

>>162291489
You're aware that Friday has multiple ways to escape and you can even fight Jason with weapons, right?

I disagree about Hillbilly being fun now that they lobotomized him. He's now less popular than the Nurse, at least when I play Survivor.

>>162291489
>because it requires mechanical skill mixed in
How so? What's mechanical about pressing sprint burst or downing a pallet

>>162291630
the big complaint people have is getting to EW2 99% and then popping EW3 for an instant down you can't really predict

>>162291489
>it requires mechanical skill mixed
Hue

>>162291567
>You actually get the horror and thrill when at start
This, I've had him come up on me out of nowhere a few times and spook the shit out of me, it doesn't feel like a cheap jumpscare either like Hag's traps.

>>162291834
Tell your retarded mates to stop teabagging behind pallets instead of complaining about how op a mechanic that punishes the team for behaving like cunts is

>>162291834
Yeah thats a fair point.

>>162292016
Its so satisfying though when people stand there at the exit gates or across pallets teabagging only to get downed by EW3.

>>162292016
>Just play SWF

>>162292016
all my survivors are at level 1 and myers is my highest level killer friend, I still think it's a legit complaint

>>162290494
Delusional as fuck. Just because you don't slaughter all survivors every game doesn't mean the game isn't killer favored.

>>162291021
And you still pay for it KEK.

>>162291214
Ohhh boy so i'm supposed to care about his different costumes over multiple unique killers with their own personality, abilities and rich lore?

>>162292219
>rich lore?
You might want to tone down the baiting.

>>162292219
You're the only one who's delusional.

>>162292219
fuck off ash you're the worst dev

>>162292402
Yeah ok kiddo i'll see you back here next year whining about how F13 sucked and how it died in a week.

>>162292439
Who the fuck is Ash? Ash Ketchum?

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What is Ace so happy about?

>>162292854
that face would make more sense if he was openin a box but fixing a gen?

>>162292935
Couldn't get a good angle with the chests but the faces he makes is pretty amusing

>>162292219
>Killers can kill me that means the game favors them.
Just the PoV alone in this game between the two makes survivors more favored you stupid twit.

>Play the shape
>can't even get EWI II before 3 gens are done because I can't find all these claudes and when I do they all just sprint burst and self heal.

This game...

>>162293372
also
>killer is tall as fuck
>pov sits inside his chest so all it does is making you better visible

>>162293372

Actually the only thing that prevents people from juking rather than pallet/window running are the scratch marks. Although it is core of the game, but it has it's drawbacks.

>>162293372
>>162293527
>>162293631
>play killer 1st game
>easy 4 man down and win. over 20k points
>play survivor 1st game
>a killer looks at me and gets strong enough to one shot me
>watch everyone else die

Wow game sure is survivor favored.

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>>162292854
He found a green toolbox with a rare addon and gets to use it

>>162293937
>not learning mechanics
>Complains about mechanics

>>162293937
Yeah, if neither side knows what the fuck they do killer will obviously win
But something isn't hard ust because you're to dumb to do it anon

>>162294046
>hurrr durrrr fucking pallets survivors so favored!
>complaining about mechanics

Fuck off shitlord.

>>162293937
>I had an easy game against rank 20 survivors
Killer has the clear advantage in lower ranks before people have good perks. If you put 4 perkless survivors against a perkless killer, the killer will win anyday. That completely flips at higher ranks when Survivors have full perk loadouts.

>>162294207
I just watched a streamer wipe the floor with a SWF rank 1 group. You just suck and need to git gud instead of bitching all day.

>>162294339
>You just suck and need to git gud instead of bitching all day.
Where was I bitching about getting killed?

I play both sides so you can fuck off with all your implying.

>>162294339
>muh anecdotes
and I saw a black guy not robbing someone

>>162293937
>I don't understand how powerful perks are
>level 1 is the only state that proves anything
You wut

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>falling for baits

Like what sane person would look at this 162293937 and think it's worth replying to?

is this a good compromise:

survivors can only equip one teachable perk from another survivor per tier. for example: self-care, sprint burst, sabotage, and decisive strike would all be the tier 3 ones.

it eliminates the meme trinity and broadens the array of used perks. it also makes the chosen survivor matter much like choosing a specific killer differentiates your gameplay experience from choosing another killer

>>162295180
>survivors
>compromise
NERF STBFL+UNRELENTING ALREADY

>>162295180
Aside from the obvious joke about survivors ever losing their favorite memes
>devs
>capable of making even decent tier lists

>>162295180
This may be a good idea but regardless I feel like they need to do something that makes each survivor unique and not just a skin.

Maybe a unique non teachable perk or give them the current version of their teachables while giving every other survivor a slightly weaker version.

>>162275164
It wasn't free if she made it that close before you hit her. She beat you to it. Sorry.

>>162293937
This is almost directly what devs said before:
>At early ranks, killers dominate
Yeah because survivors are noobs and nobody barely ever dares to go unhook, especially in the basement
>At high ranks, the tables are turned and the killers get FUCKED
I wonder why? maybe the fact that they run the memeperks because they're safe?
there is not a single perk set that guarantees a catch/sac for a killer
but many perk combos increase survivor survival rates by massive percentages.

Imagine if killers had a perk that let slow a survivor by 50% once every 40-80 seconds
Easily call that op, right? so is easy escapes when you run with 150% speed.

How to fix Sprint Boost:
Reduce the speed to a mere 10,15,20% increase, but increase duration to 5 sec and lower cooldown back to 30 seconds to make it fair

Imagine if killers had a single use perk to immediately catch a survivor, no matter what.
Sounds stupid right? well, so is decisive strike. Don't forget, there's only ONE killer. That means one catch only, compared to 4 survivors who each gets one free get out of jail card.

How to fix Decisive Strike:
Actually make the survivors need to pick up the "shiv" during carry animation (skill checks near pallets and objects that would make sense to have loose parts)
This way killers can atleast try and counter it by trying their luck picking a less obvious route
No more killer dropping people without reason, and no more survivors INSTANTLY getting off after being lifted on the shoulder

>>162295180
While this would help, it raises another serious problem:
>There are many shitty perks that are so much worse than the Meta bullshit that it's almost an entirely different game
This is Not Happening is a prime example. This hyper-situational perk makes success zones slightly bigger while injured.
That's absolute dogshit that nobody would run.
>Promotes being hurt (and being one-shot as a result)
>Gives a bonus a good player doesn't even need to consider
>Opportunity cost compared to Decisive, Sabo, Sprint Burst, and/or Self Car is comically large

>>162296082

Just the first part of your post justifies for keeping it that way. Survivors suck in the first levels? Well play our game and grind real hard and you'll be unkillable. They make the perks and DLC worth buying and also extend their game life.

>>162293372

you've got to be fucking kidding me

>>162296082
Technically, Decisive could be made more "balanced" in another way:
>In order to make a weapon to use on the Killer later, you have to break down a palette for a good piece of wood to stab him with, meaning it can't be used to stun/block the Killer later

>Out mind games a killer
>He mad
I'm so good at this game! XD

>>162296261
No, it literally means that top tier perks for survivors are absolute horseshit op and necessary for them to actually have the courage to do stupid moves like palletwhoring and teabagging behind windows, not to mention healing while directly in front of the killer

>game autoequips items you've plundered
fuck off with this

>>162296541
If it stopped doing that, you'd also have to reequip your Perks every match.
>The game remembers what you last had equipped and if the item was lost/consumed or Offering was consumed, it will only default to a blank slot if you run out of items/prerequisite items

>>162296432
t. victim complex survicuck.

>>162296476
there's like a 10-20 pallets in a map, losing 4 at the edges of the map is not a horrifying sacrifice for survivors to make and would change nothing other than maybe give the killer an alert when a pallet was broken.
This would still cause killers to pointlessly drop survivors out of fear, and survivors to INSTANTLY get off the shoulder

>>162296261
You don't need to grind as survivor tho, you just need to know your juke spots and how to run in circles in pallet town, which the can learn by watching a 10 min youtube vid and playing for less than 5 hours.
Killer needs perks to counter those plays alone, in turn survivors get perks whose power level is through the roof.
Shit like selfcare and Ds also take out anykind of teamplay, unless you count doing brainafk gens while somebody else ites the killer around to that.

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:D

Every night I go to sleep and roll into work and get home and there's like 200+ posts then it just slows down after I get home. feelsbad