/ss13g/ - Spessman on a Spess Station General

First for fuck the discord

>>161998792
no
let's start this thread positively and post about one of the most positive players that contribute to our server the grey alien yahir
who wants to go first?

Second for I'm going to marry my waifu!

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2nd for singularities are trash. TRASH!

>>161999173
>Sodaloose was saved

What was the worst betrayal you've suffered from a department member you trusted?

inb4 >trust

WOOP WOOP

Intigracy just self-merged attack animations.

WOOP WOOP

>>161999934

>REEEEEEEEE

>>161999934
TG overthrows debate again

>>161999381
>work xenobio for two hours with someone
>get trick penned and spaced
>come back as a golem with them
>few minutes later they tell me that they are filled with sadness over their lost friend
>he lets the slimes eat him and says I'm sorry
>look in logs later and see him asking if I was in dead chat and saying he felt bad
>objective was kill me and die
It never had to end like this.

>>161999934
BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE INTIGRACY'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO MERGES STUFF

SO HE'S ALLOWED TO SELF-MERGE DOGSHIT RIGHT GUISE

>>161999934
What's next, table climbing?

>>162000250

muh slibbidy slobe

>>162000250
He's already opened a fucking PR for it.
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/pull/13495

ok why the fuck are there connectors below the trays in xenobotany?
Like, can you hook the trays to them to harvest gas from plants or something?

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>>162000408
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO /VG/STATION
WHEN DOES THIS NIGHTMARE END?

>>162000408
>he's actually trying to add table climbing
Fucking deadmin Intigracy when?

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>>162000408

>>162000250
Literally never.

>>162000408
>/vg/station will finally have what every server's had for years now

I never thought I'd see the day

>>162000603
>something being common means it's good
This is a fucking shit meme.

>>162000408
Guys I'm actually afraid now

>>162000476
yes that's exactly why I put them there. hydroponic trays are actually atmospheric pipes. when you toggle the lid (i.e. gas can't leak out) and connect a canister with a wrench, all the gas produced by the plant will go into the can.

>>162000476
Exactly that. Flip the lid up and it makes a closed atmos for it.

>>162000408
>>162000497
>>162000504
>>162000580
>>162000603
>>162000664
>>162000704
Literally a fake link to a pull request 1000 PRs from now.
Y'all incapable of clicking on a fucking link or do you fall for every meme in existence?

>>162000664
>something being outdated means it's good
This is some retarded logic.

>>162000783
>like they're not just meming about it and know damn well what they're doing

>>162000824
I never claimed that a lack of tableclimbing is good.
But "every other server has it" is not an argument for claiming that having tableclimbing is good.

>>162000664
muh outdated code is so good
whats wrong with table climbing? Arent you fucks known for being the biggest powergaming server of ss13, this way its easier to access all those items you so enjoy

>>162000896
>m-merely pretending to be retarded

>>162000903
Sorry man, I didn't realize you were just hear to argue on the internet, I don't usually bully the mentally handicapped

Anyway the reason tableclimbing is shit is it means any asshole can climb into a department they don't work for and steal shit immensely easily
It LITERALLY only encourages greyshittery and never anything else

>>162000927
>Arent you fucks known for being the biggest powergaming server of ss13
Literally no.
TG holds that title.

>>162000603
Let's allow furry gay sex too, since every other server has it too.

>>162000960
You damn well know that's exactly what they're doing.

Also GITHUB STOP BEING SHIT I WANT TO UPDATE MY PR WITH THE NEWEST COMMITS

>>162001018
Honestly here's what I think.

I think that we could add it but we'd have to redesign a lot of departments entrances to have windows/windoors to prevent this kind of behavior. However overall, if that was done, it would not introduce new entry points since a player would still have to smash through windows and most departments already have that vulnerability to begin with.

Why don't borers have directional sprites?

>>161999934
I can't believe this.
He's merging it as a test.
It will never get reverted now, fuck.
I know that a lot of people voted Yes for this merged, but right now you cannot use /vg/s server-base to poll these things. All we have had lately is refugees from other servers, all who are used to this thing, so of course they are going vote Yes for this. The original playerbase of /vg/, albeit small, would not want this change in such a majority because it isn't /vg/.

>/vg/ admins go to other server
>shitpost and become a piece of shit
sawbones if I find you in lifeweb again I'm going to web you, you waste of life I'm going to kill you too kolith

>>162001201
Because you haven't sprited them for us.

>>162000735
>>162000757
amazing

>>162001201
It's better this way

>>162001193
That's a fair point.
Still, windoors being broken is less noticeable than windows being broken. ALSO, replacing windoors is (realistically) never going to ever happen, whereas anybody with metal and reinforced glass can re-window a department.

>>162001193
>However overall, if that was done, it would not introduce new entry points
Then what's the point of adding tableclimbing at all?

Also the bartender and the chef's counters would have to have windoors placed along their whole length, which would look like shit.

>>162001309
Bartenders got a shotgun.

>>162001375
With finite ammo.

>>162001203
I agree friend, no TRUE vg player would agree with this change

>>162001203
>true scotsman
fuck you, I like it

>>162001453
10/10 satire

>>162001054
[citation needed]

>>162001203
Why should we base decisions on the small minority of original players rather than the majority of current players?

>>162001203
What do you consider the "original playerbase"?
I've been here for two years, am I too new to be allowed to have an opinion?

>>162001604
because you other shitstains have TG/hippie agendas you're trying to push because you're banned from your shit servers fuckface

>>162001453
>>162001539
I'm not exactly saying that, I'm saying that most /vg/ players who don't go onto the other servers because they like how /vg/ is don't like the feature because of how goofy and ugly it is. If you read the github thread, a lot of people are asking for it to be toggle-able and they would all be fine with it if it was, and so would I, but it's not.
>>162001604
Because then, as we gather more refugees from Eros, TG, Hippie, we become like them. We stop being a unique server and start being a generic pubbie server like the rest. We already have some /tg/ refugee coder trying to push tonnes of other stuff to make us like /tg/, if it carries on these will just keep picking up.

>>162001702
So what? They're still players. If the majority of the playerbase wants it to become TG, then it should. Because the purpose of the server is for the most players possible to enjoy it.

If the minority doesn't like it, then they can make their own server where they're the majority.

>>162001702
>you other shitstains
Hi, different guy
I've played spess for about 4 years, never taken a permaban since Dec. 2012, played on some older serb I forget the name of, Paradise, Urist, and alium deathtrap.
I haven't even had attack anims in my knowledgebase for more than a couple months because I took a hiatus
And I still think they should be put in. Sorry for pushing my TG/hippie agenda since I'm obviously banned from those servers

>>162001880
How large would you say the pool of "original /vg/ players" is? Ten people? Fifteen?

>/vg/ taking in eros and hippie refugees
>still doesnt believe its becoming hippie 2.0
take a look at the chat box, its full of memes and shitposting

>get idea rejected by players and the host
>wait for holidays when my TG ""friends"" come over
>make PR for my idea
>all my ""friends"" will vote yes
>merge it in less than 48 hours

Easy like pissing in a pool

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>>162002074

>>162001281
On the other hand, windoors (even unreinforced glass ones) are significantly more durable than reinforced windows.

>>162001408
That is a fair point but bar raids isn't high on my list of concerns.

>>162002074
>Looking at the chatbox

What is this, Bay?

>>162002089
>majority of actual players who have played long enough to be eligible to vote want it
>majority of people on github vote for it
>TG IS TO BLAME

If you assholes would express yourselves it would make feedback a lot better instead of just blaming the boogeyman that fits best.

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>the chicken spoke
>and inTGracy ignored him
really makes you think

>self merging
There is literally no worse sin on github

>I'll re-examine whether this is worth keeping/adjusting in a week.
>The keep/revert/change poll will get started on the 14th

>Deadminned himself so he can't make polls
DEVILISH

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>>162003142
>Deadminned himself so he can't make polls
Holy shit intigracy you stupid fuck

>>162002750
pomf doesnt matter anymore, if the vast majority wants something then they will get it

>let's not have attack animations because muh casuls
>but let's never reintroduce body drag damage, and let's never nerf EZ PZ fast cloning medbay
REALLY
MADE
ME
THINK

>>162003354
but he has a point
if you don't need to look at the chatlog during combat, new players will not look at the chatlog to see anything actually valuable like people talking

What exactly is BAD about the animations? Just the fact that new players will be even more oblivious to the chat?

>>162003354
He does but in this case it's something he's never wanted and he admits he's not an active player anymore so he feels like his opinion isn't paramount on this particular topic.

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>>162003495
I've been to TG, they look like ass

>>162003463
It's because NOBODY HAS CODED THOSE

Is the playerbase dead yet?

>>162003492
There was a chat window before?

>>162003492
>implying we're playing by staring at the chat log and not looking at it when someone gets a ... ? ! over their heads

>>162003492
If you could have chat near the players instead of off to the sides that would also probably be cool, but the problem with that is that it'd obscure a lot of the screen, more salient than "looks humpy ew".

>>162003537
If you see pomf post, he talks a lot about his depression and the condition causing him to be unable to find enjoyment in anything anymore, which is why he doesn't play and why he feels like he doesn't matter any more.
But he's still our server host, and the highest authority, and well, it is HIS server. If he doesn't want something, the players and admins and coders should respect his decision.

>>162003615
nah it's still roughly the same size it always is.

mid 30/40s during the day. 50s during the evening. 10s/20s during the australian hours.

got up to 75 last sunday but thats sunday evening its always busy.

>>162003612
>Nobody coded stripped features

>>162003591
Isn't it just the player going forward a little bit? I've only played on vg.

>>162003778
Alright, anon, add them back and make a pull request! You can do it!

>>162003708
Anon you don't want something. Don't try and use Pomf to override what most players want.

Pomf is the ultimate authority but that doesn't make him right every time. The stability of our server is thanks to his willingness to accept when he doesn't get his way over the majority of players. Emulate him.

>>162003754
Good to see it's still kicking, thanks

>>162003708
Why are so many people depressed? just take vitamin D to help

>>162001575
>yog
>Polaris
vore

>inb4 "moths/dinosaurs aren't furries!"

>>162003612
Several people were acting against the removal of speedclonebay on github you know.

>>162003778
>>162003854
this.

just fucking code it if you want it. I have shit to do I can't do your shit too.

>>162003905
>Just don't be depressed bro

>>162003929
Not speedcloning isn't robust, though, it's just slow.
In fact, due to the amount of doctors who don't know how to speedclone, a doctor who does is a good sign.

>>162003875
Of course it doesn't, but when he forced MMO progress bars on the server he gave everyone an option, you can have them on or off, because lots of people were against it.
Except this time, when lots of people are against it, there has been no option, just a straight merge.

>>162004030
I'm not saying that, I'm saying take steps to help fight it. It's a chemical imbalance huffing and puffing about it doesn't help

>>162004148
The only options were to change how the game works dramatically or change how the animations worked dramatically and none of the collaborators were satisfied with the hacky way of doing it. That doesn't mean it can't be done in the future but we don't know how yet.

>>162004182
>talking about it doesn't help
ok BRAH dude you get your psych degree from broversity?

>>162004321
Then why add an ugly, unfinished product then, instead of waiting until someone has found a way which will satisfy everyone?

https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/issues/12585

I put my thoughts. https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/issues/12585#issuecomment-265269697

Put yours.

>>162004321
>The only options

>>162004417
Yeah bro because steam chat and IRC is clinical help

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>>162003913
>three servers
>means all servers

>>162004420
Because the majority don't think it's an ugly, unfinished product. You do, but repeated support polls show that it's very approved.

>>162004476
socialization is socialization, even online
take your insecurities somewhere else

>>162004545
very approved, from people who migrated from servers where it is already the norm

>>162004574
We're both on the same side here anon, just different methods I think. Lets end it here

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If you have any bugs on box that aren't fixed by this PR post them before I call it a day and move on to the next issue to tackle.

https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/pull/12695

(Don't say attack animations)

(DONT)

>>162004623
I have played all of 2 rounds on servers other than vg in the 3 years I've played here. Those were when pomf shut the serb down. Stop that.

>>162004518
There's no way anyone thinks this is gold

>>162004545
>support polls show that it's very approved.

Server poll showed that only slightly over 50% liked it

>>162004797
Get your eyes checked

>>162004707
Add Ghetto Security, Ghetto AI, Assistant Rape Dungeon, Vox Rape Dungeon, and a miniature replica of Box Station within the center of the station.
Then it will be perfect.

When are we going to remake Cow RP, the best BYOND roleplaying game there ever was, using the SS13 engine?

>>162004912
>>162004518
is this the ebin meme from years ago where somebody changed the contrast on the picture?

>>162005028
The ss13 engine is BYOND

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>>162004989
>a miniature replica of Box Station within the center of the station.
I like it

>>162005106
I don't know about any of this coding mumbo jumbo. I meant in the SS13 style.

>>162005106
You're not a smart person, are you?

>>162004989
>https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/issues/12585
Don't forget the most important room, AI and Revolvers

>>162005651
Fuck why did it put a link in there

>>162005583
I am. Are you?

>>162005805
Heh... kid... do you really wanna know?

>>162005651
I've never understood what that part of the image meant
Why would there be a room dedicated to revolvers?
Is the room mainly an AI room, or a revolvers room?
Why would the AI need revolvers?

>>162002750
He didn't say not to add it, he just said he doesn't like it.

There's a difference.

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>heads that are never in their offices/departmentd
>heads that go full comcop and carry half the armory with them
>heads that never request ert or communicate with centcom
>IAAs that never send faxes
>IAAs that never investigate departments or attempt to make things more efficient

Whats the fucking point of these jobs again?

I HATE ATTACK ANIMATIONS!

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>>162006051

>>162006064
HATE

>>162001021
/tg/station is rife with a bunch of unrobust faggots
>t. /tg/player

ATTACK ANIMATIONS REVERTED
WE DID IT

>>162006216
The only people that should walk around in their suits are engis

Next time I see a sec guard with a hardsuit Im spipping them and farting in their air tank

>>162006216
Quality AI

Give em hell LQ-84i

http://www.strawpoll.me/11815096

>>162006216
Capsuit is some fine armour to be fair.

>>162006216
I see this a TON

Why are captains always wearing their hardsuit?

>>162006429
I am an AI and therefore cannot "give them hell". Humorous.

>>162006498
Most caps just play to validhunt, and the armour + laser + all-access help them do that

>>162006051
IAA is an assistant with sunglasses.

>>162006368
>actual polls
>nah lets use this proxy poll surely no one will cheat

>Like IAA
>do my best to send arepee faxes
>admins never play back

>>162006437
Firin up my proxies.

>>162006498
Because they are expected to be robust.
Bombings and ZAS don't warn you.

>>162006990
Wearing the hardsuit everywhere is the opposite of robust

>>162006368
When I started playing here engis in hardsuits 24/7 used to catch shit.

I'm not making a point it's just an amusing memory of how times have changed.

why does the game freeze when I join in and try to move?

>>162007051
Wearing the hardsuit always doesn't negate or promove robustness.
It's preventive at best.

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>when it's your coworker's first day at the job and everything gradually goes to shit
Best rounds.

>>162007051
why?
robustness comes from being prepared for various situations and not getting caught with your pants down
>heunuuuugh, waaiiiit, I gotta walk back to my office and get my suit before we deal with that
is the opposite of robustness

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Uhm...what the hell did I find?

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>>162007683
Also, this one's for you

>>162007784
WHY DID YOU BREAK OUR WINDOWS CARBON SCUM

>in chapel with chef about to sting me after seeing a body
>bears break in out of nowhere and destroy him

bear force one came to my aid

>>162007784
you found an ick ock

>>162007784
That's MY HOUSE! Why are you trespassing?

>>162007784
DONT TOUCH ANY OF IT

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Mommis, Im proud of you folks, even as a beginner autist, I gotta say, we did good.

But who was breaking the windows all the dang time though?

>>162007784
Pomfs kitchen, where he comes up with his ice cream recipes with their otherworldly flavor

>>162007989
Actually, this is solid advice. See that weapon on the left? I interacted with it and it grew a mouth and fucking bit me to death.

attack animations reee

>>162008069
miners I think

Why do we let this coder do whatever the fuck he wants with no peer review?

>Decide to just observe
>Get picked as borer
>Admire botanist's plants so I infest him
>He's a ling
>Help him kill a ton of people
>He has to go before the shuttle will arrive at the end so he decides to at least go loud and attack medbay
>Fucks up a few people but he gets stabbed by shitter juice
>SMOKE IT OUT!
>Entire swarm of med doctors KO'd by their own juice
Of course eventually he was taken down -- at the end it seemed like he was barely fighting though, maybe he really had to walk out that minute.
>Abandon host, validhunter borg wants to valid me just for being a borer, escape into pipes
>Ride home in one of the only humans to survive the plasma fire shuttle

Comfy round, would borer again

I played one of the more passive borer types, though, just a chest borer.

>>162007702
I thoght robust was being able to click on the guy with disarm intent, cablecuff and strip and steal all his stuff before the next tick changes over and then *fart on his face

>>162008289
>>SMOKE IT OUT!
>>Entire swarm of med doctors KO'd by their own juice
they all got up immediately afterwards and shoved his ass in

>>162008372
Like I said, it seems like the fight went out of him at the end. It would've been more fun if he had more time to fight properly I guess. RIP RealestEstate, you were a fun host.

Is it fine to scare mommis away as an engi if they are stealing your work?

Say theres a breach and you go there just to find a spider fixing it already, can you throw floor tiles at him until he fucks off?

Poly [Engineering] (Unknown) squawks, "cleaning is a reward within itself"

>>162008069

>Spawn as MoMMi due to boredom, terrible at engineering though
>Decide to take the bridge over to the DJ sat that others built earlier
>Begin playlist hopping to get some good electronic tunes going
>Get complimented by other crabs for choices

even the least competent of us can contribute

>>162008751
Tell him to leave first and if he doesn't it's 100% valid to wreck him for interfering

Don't just use this as an excuse to kill MoMMIs though, people can tell if you didn't give them a reasonable amount of time to fuck off.

>>162008768
Youre jusst stacking shit in a corner you dumb birb

how do i make it so i can hear the jukebox and russian satellite music?

>>162008350
it's not

>>162008831
Good to know, those little shits work faster than I can walk my pudgy little ass to the site

>>162008973
download VLC

>>162009057
i have it

>HEY LET'S NOT LET THE PLAYERBASE TEST THE CHANGE BEFORE REVERTING IT
>I KNOW BETTER

>>162008796
You did have some good taste mommi, you made the building so much more enjoyable.

How did you find the satelite? Just started building rods from a certain spot or what?

>>162009098
not him but it's about straight out from the top left corner of the derelict.

>>162009098
It's in the same place from the derelict always, go left from gas miners

>>162009096
>implying it would ever get reverted after testing
>implying the poll would even happen

>>162009273
>implying it would ever get reverted after testing
why not?
like wait a fucking half hour more before reverting

>>162009096
>Guys, lets merge something that is known to be shit, maybe itl be good, like hypothermia!
>Guys what the fuck, why didn't you merge my shitty feature from tg, its good despite it being known to be a lazy enabling feature from shitty as fuck servers, I PROMISSE ITS GOOD, DON'T REVERT IT OR I WONT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT MERGED FOREVER LIKE HYPOTHERMIA, PLEASE

All Im hearing here anon, once in a while, pjb does us good.

>>162008831
>him

all mommis are girls

>>162009521
>is known to be shit
?

>>162009521
>that is known to be shit
majority of the playerbase AND coderbase liked it
Like, fucking leave it on for A fucking round you fucking autist.

>>162009435
Easy there, Intigracy.
It was reverted because it was a self merge on a controversial PR, not two days old.

The poll has very unlikely too.

>>162009521
Yclat, get your fucking act together for once
The majority of the server wants it, the majority of people want it. Your job is to make an actual argument as to why it shouldn't be merged. I want it merged and fuck's sake I'm doing your argument for you in the new thread.

>>162009731
>majority of people want it

lol

As long as the animations dont effect the framerate then whatever. However tg tickrate is barf inducing so I expect this not to stay.

>>162009731
>The majority of the people want it
Don't lie like that

>>162009851
>muh CODER BOGEYMAN
>instead of legitimate discussion and arguments
Remember what github is for, it's not for shitposting, it's for discussion. If your discussion sucks anus, nobody is going to listen.

>>162009629
9 admins have polling

literally any of them can make a poll at any time

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>>162009851
>>162009975
I guess you're going to link to your results on proxypoll where you voted 50 times?

>>162009975
http://ss13.moe/index.php/poll/51
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/pull/12678

How's it feel being part of the vocal minority, anon?

Listening to people like you is why TG is the shithole it is today.

>>162009851
>>162009975
>>162009991
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/pull/12678
http://ss13.moe/index.php/poll/51

>>162009990
not even blaming coderbase. you're just telling blatant lies now. i bet you're crying in the discord about "thread shitposting" right now

>>162009975
Poll was a 70/30 split. The github emoji votes are a 70/30 split.
Prove to me that those aren't at least decently accurate and show me the actual ratio, PLEASE.
An hour-old strawpoll doesn't fucking count.

>>162010193
the poll was a 55/45 split, you are already wrong

>>162010104
you can rig polls on git as well

>>162010193
>poll was a 70/30 split

it was a 55/45 split

>>162010104
>>162010104
>emoji votes

lol

>>162010193
>An hour-old strawpoll
an hour-old strawpoll opened right after the self-merge and immediately linked in the discord

>>162010265
That'd be a real trick since you'd be creating usernames no one has ever heard or seen before until that poll.

Little suspect.

>>162010310
>>162010193
The strawpoll is definitely legit, I know I voted in it 4 times already so that means other people have had time to by now

>>162010310
>discord
invalid

The attack animations look really silly

>>162010104
Compensate for
>people who are not aware of the PR
>people who don't have a Github account
>Intigracy voting for himself
>people who don't play here that voted

>>162010345
Not all of the names appear

>>162010223
>>162010296
You're right, that was a fucking awful reading of the poll.
>>162010143
>discord
Yikes.
I don't go on the discord yclat, I'm on github arguing against the self-merging RIGHT NOW.

>>162010424
who the fuck is yclat

>>162010193
How is 41 vs. 33 a 70/30 split? How is 19 vs. 9 a 70/30 split?

>>162010407
>I'll just assume everyone who didn't vote agrees with me

>>162009731
Ive told you people how its a shit feature so many times It looks like Im applying to a recorder.

You know why I think its shit, and you know its a valid reason.
>>162010424
That wasnt me, this is the only post since >>162009521, I check the discord, but nothing that comes from it is actually decent.

I hate self merging and I hate attack animations. Ive said why I hate animation, and self merging is garbo, what else do you want me to say.

>>162010510
>I'll just assume everyone who didn't vote doesn't disagree with me

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>>162010394
Not interested in discussing silliness in a game with wizards and small spider robots that can wear hats

>>162010407
People making the PR doesn't mean they shouldn't get a vote.

And that picture is without the self vote.

>>162010484
The one tard who argued vehemently against attack animation without being able to form coherent sentences.
Keep in mind he just admitted in OOC that he actually never entertains the idea of being wrong.
This is the kind of autist we're going up against.

>>162010496
Are you retarded? The poll itself says percentages. We are talking percentages.

>>162010501
19 out of 28 is actually 68% so that's pretty reasonable rounding anon. Is THAT what got you so angry? It's pretty autistic.

And here I thought you just couldn't do math, but it was an autism thing all along?

>>162010539
>if I just say "IT'S SHIT" enough, maybe people will believe me
>I don't even need to say why I think it's shit, if I just say it enough maybe everyone will think I'm right!

>>162010501
I hadn't read the poll and Goofball retard extraordinaire made me think it was 70/30. Seriously my bad.

>>162010620
i'm against attack animations

>>162010591
But I didn't say that? Man you really are not a bright person.

We are going to make our server great again

I played last night and Im just now hearing about the PR, the less like TG we are the better, nix those animations.

>>162010723
*hadn't read the poll in a little while, I mean. I posted in the PR previously pointing out how 33/74 people disliking the change was definitely shitty and controversial.

>>162010539
>HURR DURR PEOPLE WILL STOP READING CHAT
No they won't and kys

Just made the animation a toggle

>>162010745
Same implications as yours. People who didn't get to vote goes both ways.

>>162010870
"made" or "make"?
because it can't feasibly be made a toggle, or people would have already done it

>>162010679
Lazy design, by lazy servers, with a lazy philosophy, to make people lazy and not pay attention like they should naturally be, because nobody is actually that dumb they cant see a combat situation and interpert it fine enough, or if they are tasked with defusing a situation, they are never underequipped, even if the player is a numbnut with atention deficit who somehow cant do what others have already done for years without casualizing the game.
>>162010850
Considering that's the kind of shit that happens when you add this sort of thing, yes, it will.

>>162010762
>We want the Bay audience
fuck off

>>162010870
Glad to see people actually read the discussion that happened.

Why not add text to speech for local chat?

>>162010762
Words don't work anymore, it just causes confusion. Vote with a thumbs down emoji because pretty pictures are the only things they can understand

What's the best rp you've ever seen on the server

>>162010941
Fuck reading lmao

>>162010898
>Same implications as yours.
Nope, not even remotely.
Check yourself for brain damage.

>>162010870
Yes please. Merge when this is a thing. Maybe merge without it, but don't do the self-merge game.

regardless of if you support or hate attack animations, why are coders allowed to self merge?

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Let's all stop bickering for one second and go after the real villain here. The one who has been smirking from the shadows while you fucking puppets followed his whims perfectly. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IS GUILTY OF THIS.

CLUSTERF*CK

IT'S HIM

HE STARTED ALL OF THIS

HE SELF MERGED ON NOVEMBER 1, SETTING ALL OF THIS IN MOTION. PROOFS: https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/pull/12427

THIS
IS
CLUSTER'S
FAULT
AGAIN
YOU
SHEEP

WAKE UP

>>162010407
they didn't used to but I think they do now.

>>162010929
>Lazy design
what the fuck does this even mean
>by lazy servers
what the fuck are you trying to say
>with a lazy philosophy
are you sure this actually means something
>nobody, NOBODY could possibly have any trouble immediately interpreting everything that's happening in the shuttle from a sea of red text so big you have to scroll up!
>nobody could possibly be underequipped (what the fuck)

your post has no meat in it

>>162010975
The erotic kind

>>162003463
>le reductive design face
how about you buff surgical procedures so somebody other than me feels compelled to try them

>>162010929
>Considering I'm right, I'm right
Brilliant argumentation faggot.
>what others have already done for years
OH YOU MEAN LIKE THROWING A FLASHBANG IN THE SHUTTLE BECAUSE YOU'RE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT HAPPENS?

>>162010958
PLEASE GOD NO

>>162011006
Good arguments. Nice discusion. Excellent exchange.

>>162010958
:^)

>>162011079
Agreed
Yclat's solid argument is that it will teach new players bad habits IMO, the rest is stuff I disagree with
There is no harm in giving non-new players more visual clarification in situations like that.

>>162003612
>It's because NOBODY HAS CODED THOSE
Drag damage was in, it was removed.

Clone nerf has a bunch of autists vehemently against it.

>>162010958
Aeiou

>>162011165
I don't have anything to discuss with a child who doesn't understand statistics.
You're a lot less clever than you think.

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Just calm down everybody.
This is a carbon copy of exactly what happened when we got progress bars.
People are scared of change. You may think that's a cliché or that it can't be real, but it's really important that you read this bit again:
People are scared of change.

They don't actually think it's bad.
They're just scared that it's changing.

When we got attack animations we had people screaming their heads out about it and how shit it truly was. Wanna know what happened after Pomf merged them?
Nothing. No complaints.
Not even 1% of the server has them turned off. (Yes, you can see those statistics.)
It wasn't all that bad at all.
But it was new, and scary.

>>162011428
I said from the start that progress bars were the only good thing Goof ever coded, ever.

>>162011428
>When we got attack animations we had people screaming their heads out about it and how shit it truly was. Wanna know what happened after Pomf merged them?
>Nothing. No complaints.
>Not even 1% of the server has them turned off. (Yes, you can see those statistics.)
>It wasn't all that bad at all.
>But it was new, and scary.
I meant "when we got progress bars". Stupid me.

what if we had proper speech to text instead?

>>162010958
I fucking dare you
>>162011428
Yeah? And what happened to those progress bars eh?

>>162011665
code it

>>162011671
They are here and they are the norm?

>>162011428
I do think it is bad, and a bad change. It's a cheeky name for a dry hump when clicking someone. It's a shit solution to a non-problem.

>>162011428
I don't even care about attack animations.
It just pains me to deal with blockheads.
People who think that 70% being against them doesn't even warrantee TRYING their idea.
That they just have so much infuse knowledge that they can't EVER be wrong.

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Reminder that Dr. Celt is a Head Admin now.

>>162011754
Fear of change is a very instinctual thing, and the instinct is a very powerful thing. Nobody ever thinks their instinct is wrong.

>>162011665
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/projects

>>162011721
I figure since our coders are already implementing shit no one asked for they can go ahead and add text to speech.

>>162011835
that font sucks

>>162011079
You think tg doesn't have lazy design with shit like timed bombs you can just plant and forget about, carps that grow over time for 3 tcs, pizza bombs and shit. Its lazy as fuck, non dirrect antagonism, with the kind of people who cant pay any atention and need for a attack animation to tell them when someone is being attacked, as if the sounds, movements and such already dont exist somehow.

Like I said above, you think the kind of servers that have animations aren't lazy as fuck and dumbed down to casualize for people?

If they are tasked with defusion, also known as, sec players. You don't bring flashbangs, a tazer, flashes, pepper spray or a stun baton? You cant stop a fight with 3 or more folks when its obvious they are fighting? Come on now, if its a sea of red text and you cant even identify the people playing, which is unlikley, mass stun, what other answer do you want, you make me think of ways to solve issues when the player is a numbskull, if you are so incompetent you cant do what several others have done for years without the help of attack animations, I don't know what to tell you.
>>162011129
Thanks, and like I said above, you folks make me think up of situations where the player is a numbskull who can't do what everyone else has done for years now, I give you solutions for your presented issues, you dont like em, shame, but its the solution for what you people toss at me.
>>162011428
Progress bars were good, and did nothing but tell you when shit was done. You were no more hardcore or casual for knowing the exact times of when shit ended or started, this case is different, there is actual shit like player mentality and teachings involved.
>>162011665
Aeiou john madden on a macro for everyone till reverted, same for woody got wood and so on. You want clowns to go mental and spout memes on text to speech all round?

>>162011835
This is a group for previous headmins, they all have been in the past.

>>162011835
None of us are actually head admins and we're there kinda like the ghosts of server-past.

someone edit one of those clickhole comics to be about attack animations

Anyone who really, genuinely thinks text-to-speech is a good idea hasn't fully thought it through. And I don't think they're dumb or bad or something, but I want to help them understand.

When was the last time you were on an escape shuttle with 40+ survivors? Do you remember how much text was zooming by as everyone talked to one another?

Now imagine that with audio, all playing over one another.

>>162011902
>You want clowns to go mental and spout memes on text to speech all round?

This is exactly what I want

>>162011902
>Progress bars were good, and did nothing but tell you when shit was done. You were no more hardcore or casual for knowing the exact times of when shit ended or started
Funny, there was a vocal minority screaming the opposite in full force when progress bars were still open.
Were they all wrong?
What do you think made them so vocal?

who was that one admin who left but came back and ranted about being the only line of defense for the server

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>>162011872
>https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/projects

not text to speech.

speech to text. instead of having local mic chat, have it convert your words into text so you can talk to type and have keyboard free for hotkeys and macros. instead of clumisly toggleing hotkey mode or even worse using arrow keys. you always need 2 hands to type fast anyway and always wont be clicking/moving while typing.

>>162012154
Sounds like the kind if guy who wants attack animations

>>162012051
Go nuts then, get it merged, itl be reverted soon though, so if you get it done, enjoy for 1 or two rounds it lasts, until someone does wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tier shit.
>>162012065
A fear of bad change. That time, wrong, this once, I gotta admit, I don't see how the people who are defending the pr not merging are bad, I see it is a absolutely awfull thing.

Fear of change is natural, I get your point, but there is a certain point at which change is no longer good, its extreme, unpredictable, potentially fucking awfull. I believe this is one of those moments.

ERT, squids and so on with holomaps? Fantastic, space fishing is great, new snow map is fantastic, map tuning is excelent, new food items too, cargo teleporters, new traitor objectives, cult exploits, all of that shit is good change and shit I welcome. But attack animations, no anon, thats no good.

>>162012489
>holomaps
>fantastic

I wonder who could be behind this post...
Suddenly it all comes together

>>162012425
Oh. Well shit lets just get microsoft level money in on SS13 and I'll have that out to you by 2017.

>>162012583
Yclat. It's yclat
You can tell by the words.

>>162012635
Indeed, its me, could you quit name dropping me though, I ain't wearing a trip or anything, spouting my name twelve times is not exactly in the spirit of anonymity we have around here.

>>162012635
and the grammar

>>162012635
That autist isnt the only one against animations fampai, they look ugly and serve no purpose.

>>162011902
>ho can't do what everyone else has done for years now
Which would be getting confused and mostly giving tators in a crowd WAY of a heads up.
No, don't argue, if you haven't seen that happen you just haven't been paying attention.

>>162012930
They look fine and make the game more intuitive. Just because SS13 was born as an autism simulator doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

>>162012489
>That time, wrong, this once, I gotta admit
OH WOAW SO YOU CAN BE WRONG

>>162013072
>they look fine
Mhmm

>>162013072
Go back to TG then, there you have all these features and more.

I heard from my Steam Chat buddies that I play with on TG that you copied attack animations. Nice.

I was on my last strike over there and so we might feel at home here until the heat dies down.

If you love taking TG features, do you guys got holoparasites? There's so many lacking features here it feels like 2013 SS13.

>>162012930
>and serve no purpose.
hmmmmmm

>>162013193
Nice bait

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>>162012606
I also think a much simpler solution is a mouse with joystick or arrow keys near the thumb, but every "GAYMEN MOUSE" only has like 2 thin thumb buttons.

that way you can move and interact with one hand, and be able to at lest 1h type and do hotkeys with the other.

>>162013193
>tfw started playing spess in 2012 and stopped in 2014
>tfw the older-fashioned features and community is the reason i like /vg/ more than any other server

>>162013229
What do they add to the game you didnt get out of it already?

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>>162013394
The ability to tell who is being attacked through cameras.
Have you ever noticed AIs tend to say "human harm" instead of "greyshit mcfuck is attacking the paramedic"?
It's not because they think it's funny. They legitimately can't tell sometimes.

>>162013394
Mostly they reduce the aggressor's advantage.

>>162013131
I said the people that time were wrong, not me, Id have supported it back when anyways.

Who said I can do no wrong or am perfect all the time? I say to truly believe in what you believe in and I do so about these animations being bad, you folks haven't proven me wrong about how its a casualization that will lead to the newer players ignoring chat, you haven't told me how its not lazy despite everyone who previously gave half a rats ass could understand everything for years, and you haven't made a animation that looked decent and most importantly, was toggleable via client. Don't force that shit on me if you sincerely do want to casualize it all, least you can do is make those who don't want it not have it.
>>162013007
Ive seen plenty of sec be able to disarm a 4 man fight in a shuttle several times, maybe its from me playing euro hours, but sec is mostly competent when I play in regards to paying atention and people/recognition recognition, maybe its the americans who cant do it anon.

>round end just as I find the polar bears island
fug

>>162013623
>Who said I can do no wrong or am perfect all the time?
Then if we have different opinion, what way is there to tell apart who's right and who's wrong?
I'll tell you: it's called testing.

>Officer double Eswords chemist in escape shuttle
>Freeman dunks tator officer
>Braxton Hutton the autist thinks Freeman killed them both.
>Even though he saw the tator kill the chemist
Jesus christ, jobban when?

>>162013946
a n i m a t i o n s

Whoever's head I threw down the disposal, sorry buddy. New to medbay and heard you couldn't be revived with just a head. Didn't realize I was effectively killing you off.

>Walk into shuttle
>Hear lasers firing off in the cockpit
>An officer has arrested the RD, corpses on the floor
>Open the RD's bag, has double e-sword and caplaser
>Round ends
>Wasn't a tator

WHAT A TWEEST

HOW DO CONVEYORS WORK NOW HOLY SHIT

>>162013623
And I've seen plenty of antags be successful at shuttle griffs, maybe euro antags are just that shit :^)
You see, your arguments have no value whatsoever, because your whole angle is completely inadequate to the game we're discussing. This is a game where conflicts happen between player. This is not a job, there is no method which is "good enough" that you have to reach, it's all about who outperforms the other.

Your answers to scenarii being described amount to nothing more than what you see with kids in the playground
>I shoot you with the blaster
>nu-uh, I have my mega anti blaster shiled
>nu-uh-uh, I have my supra mega anti anti shield blaster

Yes you can describe courses of actions that make security win. You can also describe some that make them lose.
It makes no sense to talk about things being "easy" or "hardcore", when it's a fucking balance where whatever advantages one side disadvantages the other.
In that case, attack animations are an advantage toward less chaotic action, which you'll agree with that since you made plenty clear you're not an ADHD-ridden faggot like the rest of us, is a plus.

>>162013989
>throwing away a head
Holy shit, man. You know you can still borg with just the brain, right?
Monkey man cloning is still better but a brain has a ton of uses

>>162014062
Is the wiki outdated? For shame if it is
To build a conveyor: Make conveyor assemblies from stacks of metal, use them in your hand to enter clickdrag mode
Click the floor and drag in the direction you want the conveyor to go
When it's ready, add metal sheets to the assemblies
Then, THIS IS IMPORTANT, you need to use a metal rod on a remote signaler to create a lever. Use a multitool on that lever and copy the ID tag, then use a multitool on the finished conveyors and give them the same ID tag.
You can entirely bypass the multitool step if you FIRST BUILD THE LEVER NEXT TO THE CONVEYORS, THEN FINISH THE CONVEYORS IN ORDER. They copy ID tag from any other existing conveyors or levers within 1 tile.

>>162013946
>walk into shuttle
>hear lasers coming from cockpit
>see (cap) lasers
>walk up to opening door
>see gordon freeman standing at the place where the lasers come from
>arrest freeman
>check bag
>double esword and cap laser
>not a tator

>>162014357
>no board
wut?

>>162014062
>use 2 metal to make a belt frame
>use in hand click and drag the direction you want the belt to go on a tile near you
>apply 5 metal to the frame
>build lever by using a rod on a remote signaler
>multi tool the lever and edit its name and frequency
>add it to the multi tool
>use multi tool in hand to set it to clone
>slap it to desired belts to apply similar settings to belts
>pull lever to go

>>162013563
They cant see the flavor text when hsing the camera?T

>>162014903
>flavor text
what
are you high?

>>162014956
Action text, red text, whatever you call it.

>>162015009
no, people said they shouldn't

>>162014903
No, they can't.

>>162014436
Better than dragging a closet full of bags full of boxes full of boards.

>>162015058
>>162015061
Then add that in instead of animations? Seems like something that shoukd already be there honestly.

>>162015117
Nah I just tought you still needed them.
Also
you can make those boards by using a solder iron on glass
but I guess it was too hard for the casuls to figure out, like surgery

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>>162014903
>>162015145
You can see attack text, but only if you manifest yourself as an AI hologram.
More AIs need to do this.

>>162011106
there is no reason to buff them, cloning just has to be nerfed into the ground

Like holy shit, how quick do people become entitled to something.
YOU WERE FUCKING DEAD MAN
YOU CAME BACK TO LIFE
But nooo, it can't more than a minute otherwise mr. anon will be pissed.

>>162015249
Better than dragging a crate full of acid, and a locker full of bags full of glass.

>>162014281
Its 11pm and you folks already said I was talking garbage when I phoneposted even later in the night, I'll respond to it later instead of making some bollocks shitty wall of text under sleep deprivation and shitty auto correcting.

>>162015397
Not him but a soldering iron with 30 acid could do about 10 boards with the acid stored in it, and you could just hold the glass in your hand and aply the acid filled soldering iron to it for instantly blank boards, glass fits perfectly well in your backback, no need to bring in a locker either, carrying it in your hands would be enough.

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man, all of this shitposting and arguing, let's play a little game.

post a picture of what you think your current character looks like and others will guess who your character is.

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>>162017062
i'm a very cool guy and you're not allowed to mess with me

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>>162017062
:^)

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>>162017062
If caps looked better in general, were accessible from the clothing vendors and we had semi formal wear, I'd make a junpei iori character, sounds like some great fun, roleplaying as a lazy guy who tries to have some fun and uses a sword, we even used to have a adachi for a detective, guy used to be fun to have around, wonder where he went.

Been thinking about making a russian character, not for memes or jokes, just to do my job, occasional gimmick of antag communism insurgency non withstanding.

>>162017062
How would you even represent an AI in picture format?

Anyone knows of good waifus nowadays?

>>162015387
maybe you should learn the english gooder before making the comment about think you are do not like durka durka

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>>162017062
Here I AM!

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>>162017062

>>162017746
Thanks for letting us know you're out of arguments.

>>162014330
In hindsight yeah, just started playing spessmen game yesterday so I'm pretty new.

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>>162017062

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>>162017062
every day

>>162017994
Its fine if you do a few mistakes when you are that young, just read the wiki and ask admins, never hurts.

If anyone feels strongly about belts let me know https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13/pull/12697

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>>162017062
This is a sorta approximation I guess. I doubt it's my character because why would you make art of that, but it fits.

>>162018417
I feel strongly about belts

>>162018417
I too feel strongly about belts.

Fresh off the boat, from TG, kid? Heh... I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this space sanctuary: never make PRs like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on /vg/ by making stupid PRs that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't TG nor Hippie, kid. This is /vg/. We have REAL intellectual spessmen, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to Reddit, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope stay here and finally learn your place. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me? Heh, I'm a judge... this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh, you'll see, kid ... that is, if you can handle it...

How many units lipozine?

>>162018621
50u
t. Bill Hudson

>>162018545
>>162018605
We are united in our strong opinions about belts.

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>>162018687

>>162018417
I have these... strange, oddly intimate feelings about belts.

>>162018417
I feel like they're pointless since everyone starts with a plastic bag which works exactly the same. Remove plastic bags.

>>162018860
>remove plastic bags
For what purpose.

>>162018860
It can fit in a backpack unlike a plastic bag.

I agree that they don't have huge utility but I was asked to maintain them in the game so I did.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN GET FAT
I ATE ALL THE FOOD I COULD AND STILL NOTHING

>>162018996
Free toolbelt for the powergamings, nuisance for everyone else.