/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

>>161818545
What does that have to do with Crytek supposedly hating PGI now?

MAD IIC worth it?

Like, I mean, is there anything it's basic 3 variants can do?

I bought ecm PHX instead of ecm GRF

how bad did I fuck up?

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nth for gold men incredibly salty about uncanon piggy robot machine, while simultaneously giving zero fucks about the increased grind and lack of progress for 2016.

>>161818885
Pretty badly, desu.

Well, I mean, I GUESS you go with 3x LL, 2x PPC or some shit like that and be a big fat light.

You suck compared to the griffin though.

>>161818786

>piss off high level managers.
>attack the mod that got them hired in the first place.
>these people are your designated support.
>i don't understand why this would cause some kind of problems with their business relationship mane.

>>161818885
the latest buffs salvaged it from a total unjustifiable shitmech to a standard shitmech that has no purpose but you're not hindering your team simply for playing it

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Rate mech_con on a scale from 1 to 5 pigs.

>Supernova SNV-1
>6x c-LPL's, XL315, 24 DHS, TC1
>Alternative: 6x c-LPLs, XL325, 23 DHS, TC1

Hilariously shitty lore build, or memetic?

So.
Very.
Glad.
PGI has a second title in development.
#Longevity

>>161820031
>yfw when 2018 will have not one, not two, but three battletech games on PC
4 pigs out of 5

>>161820067

>gorilla arms.
>majority of other guns mounted at cock level.

It reminds me of the burgerking's release state.

>>161820335
so very glad to have a FPS MW title that epeen meta chasing wont ruin the immersion of. And that we will still have the PvP MWO for those who do prefer the minmax style of play.... but as separate, stand alone entities, the needs of one playerbase doesn't have to impact the desires of the other. Looks like win/win to me, barring some utter failure to launch.

>>161820394
If you count MWLL and megamek, there already have been three.

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The Roughneck -- having got over my initial disappointment, namely that a PGI original is the "something we've never done before" -- I think it's a damn cool design.

I love the "IndustrialMech with guns strapped on" concept. A humble working man's 'mech, a real underdog.

Plus, the hero camo is fantastic:

>>161820545
Yeah...

Despite still feeling like an absolute arsehole for being so bloody salty, i can say that it's a cool design. Really like the down and dirty look of it. Blocky, chunky, industrial - exactly how an IS mech should look like. None of that curvy, streamlined crap!
Heck... I might end up picking up the Standard pack.

>>161820545
I don't like the arms, but otherwise it looks fine. Essentially a heavier hunchback.

>>161820545
Shame every variant except the -3A and the hero sucks more STD riddled cock than Russ Bullocks mother at a "Refugees Welcome" event.

Not worth spending 35 dollars for ONE mech.

>>161820545
>"IndustrialMech with guns strapped on"
Too bad that's not what it is. It's a battlemech that looks like an industrial mech because that makes sense.

>>161820545

It looks shit, to be completely honest, my familia. The obvious P2Shoulder, P2Slimtorso, and P2Giantshieldarms really don't do much for it.

The silhouette is almost a fucking copy-paste of what the blunderbolt looked like when it was also just concept art, just with an added shouldercannon.

Clan Wolf has been challenged by Kurita Warriors...

http://www.clanwolf.net/audio/Samurai_CW.mp3

For those who can read german, here is all the story so far:
http://www.clanwolf.net/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=3763&pid=38183/viewthread.php?threa...

http://www.mw5mercs.com/

>yfw the game isn't even hosted on the aptly named mwomercs site because of 5 years of taint.

>>161820828
>P2Giantshieldarms

I think you're overestimating the protective area of those arms when they can't cover even 25% of the torso since it sticks out forward..

>You will never see kong or /gerg/ happy over anything
Also in the new trailer does anyone feel like when the rayban is hit with all those weapons it doesnt fall dead flat
Never played the TT of battletech, butim asuming that it wouldnt

>>161821175
wouldnt survive it all*

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https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/240718-december-roadmap-and-beyond/page__pid__5504884#entry5504884

Your new quarterly roadmap that's set to last 5 months.

More promises that they'll fix rubberbanding and physics, but mentions of inverse kinematics have been erased.

With them now officially working on robots 5.0, 80 dollar edition, the odds of shit getting done in MWO are even lower than usual.

>>161820763
During the initial Clan Invasion, BattleMech facilities across the Inner Sphere ramped up to the massive levels of production required to try stopping the onslaught. For Achernar BattleMechs this included their standard line of Locusts, Enforcers, Dervishs and so on. However, one lead designer had a wild idea: start with the Loader King as a superb design known for taking a hell-of-beating and still delivering decade after decade. Then overhaul the appropriate parts with BattleMech-grade components. While many balked at the radical idea, the designer forced the program through. (According to rumor, the designer had serious dirt on the CEO).

Nah. It's an industrial mech basis.

>>161821175
>>161821271

The shaq is a shit stock robutt with AC5, SRM2, LRM5, and a single meme laser. Any of the stock ravens will stand up to that no problem.

>>161821275
>mentions of inverse kinematics have been erased

As with Assault, the restoration of 'Mech IK was a feature we had originally intended to implement earlier in the year. The performance concerns that initially spurred its removal back in 2012 have been addressed, but some concerns about the aesthetics of IK behavior with certain 'Mechs on certain environmental objects delayed its release. As other features of greater direct importance came in IK had to be delayed in 2016, but is still planned for release in 2017.

Vass pls

>>161821438
it's like you don't know vass is full of shit and memes and drugs and little else

>>161821438

I legit put inverse in as my search term, thinking the Rustler would use proper english, which naturally came back with nothing. He does indeed talk about IK.

>>161821618

>making excuses for not actually reading the thing he's bitching about

>>161821404
If they could stand up to it didnt do so well
The returd in it(or PGI coding skills) hugged most of the shit flung at it and didnt use its speed against it

Maybe Im too use to playing MWO
Maybe I should uses stock robots from now on

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>>161821772

>why don't you like, put all these terms in like you did back when you gave a fuck, and provided summaries for shit in a game you haven't played for at least half a year.

>>161822367
so many excuses piling up, you should work for the pig

>>161822367

>so flustered by being repeatedly called out that he continues making excuses

>>161822009
Most light mechs don't actually have MWO speed anon.

The Raven is a classically slow light, while the Shadowhawk is actually a fairly nimble medium mech. They actually aren't very different speed wise.

Has there ever been a time when Vass WASN'T full of shit?

The rayban is also a more modern robot, and has more guns, more armor, and more ammo than the ancient shithawk.

If in a meme lore battle an OG shadowfag variant had to fight a production line rayban, the rayban would probably win.

>>161822763
To be fair, any of the stock ravens with a couple of lasers and a srm6 should be able to fuck up a shaq who doesn't have lrm ammo, doesn't know how to jump, doesn't want to enter melee, and constantly exposes his back.

>>161823190
by the time the raven exists, the shadow hawk is like 475 years old

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>tfw the pig will be refunding all my modules

>>161823480
>tfw didn't waste countless hours grinding multiple modules

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>>161823480
>tfw all of that money will go into re-specializing your mechs, but now you'll only be able to master half of them with your welfare check

>>161823608
>thinking 2 billion+ cbills isn't going to carry me through everything

>>161823364

It might actually be even older than that. Fuck knows when the original primitive versions were actually made.

>>161823718
2550

>>161824202

What robots are more old man than the shadow hawk?

>>161824395
loads, mackie (2439) being the first

>>161824395
As far as mwo mechs go, banshee, commando, locust are all older.

Can someone explain the new skill tree?

>>161826926
Ever played League of Legends, or World of Warcraft?

you've got 5 different "skill trees" that branch down for each mech. You spend XP, GXP and C-bills to convert to "SP" (which possibly stands for skill point) and then use those to unlock points from this branching skill tree.

The higher you go, the more costly it becomes, but you get larger improvements.

So essentially, these new skill trees encompass both quirks AND modules. If you want Radar deprivation, you will have to forego good structure/ weapon bonuses or mobility in order to get it.

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For what it's worth, new skill tree means never having to grind complete and utter shitbots to unlock elite or unlock mastery for a new weight class so that's 30,000 to ~115,000 exp of grinding being saved in some situations. Not having to buy 3 chassis means poorfags won't spend as much time grinding to buy robots so they can spend more time grinding for skills.

Assuming a miracle doesn't happen and Piggy doesn't actually spend the next 30-60 days actually making the numbers reasonable, although remember unfortunately this is also replacing the module grind, which is massive already.

>>161826926
It's a cross between hawkens system and your typical mmo.

It looks like it will take more xp to max up a variant, but on the upside you don't need 3 variants for anything anymore.

>>161827430
>implying you wont still have to elite and master your shitmechs to """"master"""" the skilltree

>>161819642
Which high level managers has PGI actually pissed off? Actual names and citations please.

Very few people in any company would actually care two shits about one of their clients "attacking" some mod that got some new staff hired.

If you were a skyrim modder, got hired by Bethsoft partly due to your work and some guy was attacking your mod, do you think anyone in Bethsoft would give a shit? Let's say that guy works with one of Bethsoft's partners. What are you going to do, tell your manager that Bethsoft should break off their contract with the partner because of this guy? Now imagine you are a MW:LL dev, got hired by Crytek, and PGI already had a business relationship with Crytek where actual money is at stake.

How many people in Crytek would actually start hating PGI because you went around and told them about how evil PGI is? Your new co-workers would probably be like "uh, okay?" if you tried to tell them your story. Any high level executive at Crytek would NOT decide to break whatever contract they have with PGI because you told him your sob story. The only way Crytek would actually get influenced by what PGI did would be if PGI directly pissed off multiple high level executives, not some new hires that only got hired after the fact.

I have certaintly seen business owners behave like childish teenagers, but they are almost always in very small businesses, typically family owned where they can get away with everything. In any professional environment, money tends to talk louder.

We don't even know if the same MW:LL devs at Crytek are assigned to support PGI. Crytek is not going to publicize this for obvious reasons. Even if it's the same people, they are not going to do anything like tell PGI to fuck off when PGI calls up Crytek for help. They will be professional and do their job, or get fired.

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Am I the only one who's more butthurt about HBS BT limited to one lance than any of PIG shenanigans?

I expected it to kick off with a lance and then expand to a full company as the game progresses.

>>161829119
Why in God's name would that be your expectation?

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>come back from vacay
Hey guys what's going on in he-
>New mw game
THERE IS NO ESCAPE

>>161827430
>>161827683
I wouldn't be so quick assuming you won't need three variants in the future.

They still sell mastery bundles with new mechs.

>>161829158
Why in the G-d's name not?

>>161829119
Managing a company of mechs, as well the opposition in a single player campaign in a turn based game would mean every mission would take forever and a half. Plus you would have zero attachment to either mechs or characters if you have dozen(s) of them.

The lance set up is much more reasonable and sensible.

The only thing I'm butthurt about is the lack of modding support despite the fact unity dev tools translate into mod tools in a straightforward way.

>>161829230
It's not an assumption. It's a fact.

>>161829230
>I wouldn't be so quick assuming you won't need three variants in the future.
I know Russ could make a position change but it's specifically what he fucking said. New skill tree is far enough off they wouldn't stop selling things for the current one.

As is the 3 mech system is terrible design that is rarely understood by new players.

>>161829427
>Managing a company of mechs, as well the opposition in a single player campaign in a turn based game would mean every mission would take forever and a half. Plus you would have zero attachment to either mechs or characters if you have dozen(s) of them.

Somehow that was never a problem in oldschool Xcom, sounds like a lame excuse.

And you will have a max of twelve(12) of them only closer to a grand finale. That gives you enough of time to bond with pixels.

>>161829186
Get on mumble slut

>>161829119
>I expected it to kick off with a lance and then expand to a full company as the game progresses.

That's precisely what happens. You start with a grand total of one shadowhawk (yours) and a damaged panther, and eventually will have up to a company of mechs and pilots.

You will only ever lead an individual lance of your own (plus whatever ai npcs will support you) in a single mission, but you can send lance a after one objective on one map, and lance b after a different one on a completely separate map.

Squad gameplay (4-6) is what most tactical games offer, such as older Silent Storm or modern Xcom and it seems like a smart move.

>>161829971
Source.

>>161829427
>>161829971
Holy shit, the amount of apologism for this game is insane.

Nothing about it sounds "smart" or "sensible", more like limiting and creatively bankrupt.

Lazy faggots are unable to grow out of their SW kiddie pants, so they deliver a fucking reskin.

>>161829971
Squad gameplay is shit.

>>161829971
Holy shit, that sounds great.

>>161830323

>accuses of apologism
>retorts to allegedly unfounded assertion with another unfounded assertion
>ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem

you sure told him :^)

>>161829971

wtf I love battletech now

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>>161829971
>and a damaged panther
I don't remember seeing panthers in HBS BT

Someone one said that the Shadow Cawk's autocannon in storage mode isn't supposed to be fully erect. Is this true?

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>HBS meme game shitposting drama.

>>161829971
>You start with a grand total of one shadowhawk (yours) and a damaged panther, and eventually will have up to a company of mechs and pilots.

This pleases me greatly.

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>12 mans

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Kongdrops™ happening

>>161837019
B I G M A N S

>>161831569
>buzzwords buzzword buzzword

you sure are mad, hbsdrone ;)

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the memes

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>>161838728
>no lct

So, I went and got the Protector from the cyber monday sale.

What's the best way to build this thing?

3x LPL 2x SRM6+A?

3x ERLL + Gauss?

2x PPC 2x UAC5 like a MAD-3R?

3x LPL + AC10?

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I would like to thank you dumb fucking fagots for continuing to grab deal so that PGI can hold on to the licence for another 5 years and make another shit game only this time PVE in UE cobbled together from MWO

KYS
Sincerely
t.weedman

>>161840208
>So, I went and got the Protector

>>161840352
lol
mwo will outlive you faggot
get rekt

>>161840352
No problem my man

I will enjoy MW5 and Battletech both of which made possible by my contributions :^)

>>161840352
There's no reason to be upset
It's only a game.

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>>161840352

It was our pleasure, my familia.

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>>161841008
thanks for the (you's)

>MW5 will be SP solely

RREEEE IT LOOKS SO FUCKING GOOD ITS NOT FAIR

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>>161841603
>LOOKS SO FUCKING GOOD
nigga have you seen what real UE4 games look like?

>>161841603
>>161840352

Just Pirate, if its shit then hey free shit robot sink on SP. If its good then ayyyy, its good, so its a win win either way.

>>161841603
The good news is this means that MWO will get the same graphical overhaul to match it by switching to Unreal 4 over Cryengine. The bad news is this means that MWO will get the same graphical overhaul to match it by switching to Unreal 4 over Cryengine.

>>161841884
>The good news is this means that MWO will get the same graphical overhaul to match it by switching to Unreal 4 over Cryengine.
no it wont

>>161841884
I think you are confusing overhauled and abandoned

>>161841884
>graphical overhaul

Cant see that MW5 trailer uses same models textures and animations from MWO

You do realize they are just putting the assets from MWO into UE right
The only improvement you are seeing is UE's objectively better rendering features compared to a 4 year old cryengine shader suite

>>161841747
>just pirate

it's going to have DRM senpai

literally impossible to pirate games these days desu

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Whats the best clanner medium? Hunchback IIC looks pretty good on paper and its cheap af

>>161842456
It will be always online
How else are they going to insure you pay 60$ for the game and microtransactions for paint and other shit plus mech packs.

PGI knows that if there games where not always online people would just make private servers and tell them to fuck off.

>>161842606
Nova
o
v
a

>>161842606
Hunchback IIC-A is great. Nova is a nice close second for 12 ERSL or c-SPL shinshankery.

Stormcrow is the absolute best in terms of firepower, though.

>>161842606
HBKIIC is the best medium for sure

>mw5: mercenaries
Wasn't there ready a mw with that subtitle?
Also, looks like shit, and also take. I've seen steam early access shit that looks better

>>161846205
>What is:
>mechwarrior 2: mercenaries
>mechwarrior 4: mercenaries

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Has PGI said anything about MWO getting the MW5 treatment in terms of engine? (Crytek to UE4)

I'm assuming it's unoptimized as fuck, and that's why the trailer only showed 1v1. Fuck does it look and sound crisp though

>>161847120

That's not how engines work.

>>161847120
No.

Cryengine is staying in for MWO, pretty much indefinitely.

PGI has most likely signed contracts until year 202X that they can't use any other engine except Cryengine or it's newer versions too.

So expect MWO to languish, wither and die.

>>161847120
you can't just port a game from one engine to another

>>161847552
Well, you CAN, but the engine has to have very much the same framework as the previous engine and even then it needs to be properly encoded to be fully compatible.

Like, transferring a game from UE3 to UE4 is entirely possible, scripts and all, but you'll still need to bug fix them to ensure they translate properly.

>>161847993
Yeah I guess I should've specified that you can't just port a game from one completely different engine to another engine with no pre-existing framework for doing such a thing

I mean, they could remake MWO on UE4. But they won't.

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>3.5 Million XP to fully master a new mech under the new skill point trees
>No longer need to get additional variants to master

Damn I wish I had spent more time in my meta mechs instead of my atlas. But at least I can master 1 mech right away.

I feel sorry for the 100+ mech whales though they are probably going to shit themselves when they see all mechs they haven't mastered.

>>161850623
No dumbass, it takes 3.5 million cbills to fully master a mech

>>161850623
It takes 750k xp to fully master a mech, not 3.5 million. Which is still a ton.

Damn thats a shit load of xp needed. I guess you really can sell all your shitmechs and useless chassis since you'll never have enough time to master them all.

I guess omni-mechs get the most of this change though since you only really need 1 stormcrow, nova, arctic cheetah.

>>161851375
>>161850623
I fell asleep shortly after mech con, did anything specific come out?
Didn't they imply that you could unlock everything and it'd take fucking forever, you could only have so much active any one time?

>>161852468
You need xp and cbills to get skillpoints. Skillpoints you spend in the skill tree. Each mech gets it's own skilltree. Don't need anything else.

That much is set in stone. Other things are still subject to change.

They're refunding everything, right?
There's no reason specifically to stop unlocking stuff for mechs I already have, right?

>I can get all the experience back from my old shitmechs

Cool....

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>>161856118
Yeah senpai, they will probably inflate xp gains and costs with the new system to account for that though.

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>tfw you login and you see your shitty pixies standing around with tiny dick megagun barrels and triple barrel sawn-off shotgun pistols.

>>161856939
Hey just think the new skill trees might make your gundams good.

Even if they are still shit after the changes at least they look cool as fuck.

>>161847120
Most likely they'll use the assets from new game to create some maps and call it MWO 2.0.

Then give old timers some one time fixed MC reimbursement to migrate to 2.0 and shut original MWO down.

>>161858878

Hopefully, MWO has been a sin against god.

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Pastor, can you make a better jersey design pls?

>>161860232

A real jersey design would have weapons drawn into the shirt.

It would be the atlas CT with Medium lasers where the nipples are.

Or it would be a T-shirt that would show where on the paper doll the hit boxes are. Fatties would have " Warning XL " on the shirt.

>>161856885


http://imgur.com/a/cdauq
>Survival
>PPC range and Pulse lasers
>No structure listings

I hope this is place holder as fuck.

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>MW5 on UE is real again

What the fuck? It'll be shit probably. Their carefully crafted teaser video didn't even present all that well, just reminded me of MWO the whole time.

I'll still play it though.

>>161863374
>carefully crafted teaser video

It wasn't even carefully crafted. But if you were at mechcon you'd have seen russ piloting the shaq badly and eventually getting the raven.

>>161863374
It was live gameplay

I've been out of the loop for a long time battletech wise. What should I play? Is MWO decent if I just want to fuck around and shoot mechs?

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ihmt

>>161866362
Mwo if you like shooting robots.

I really do wonder about the lore page behind the Roughneck.

Why is it that it's always Warhammer pilots who have a bad habit of getting into close range with the enemy when they're usually so poorly armored?

>>161867213
It's suffering the Worf Effect. The best way to show how badass someone is, is to have them beat up Worf. The irony is that Worf is constantly beat up all the time and thus it's questionable how badass he's supposed to be.

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>>161866867
no mercy

>>161866901
Will I be at a huge disadvantage being a new player? Getting stomped by p2w players?

>>161868048
The new player experience isn't terrible. Just suicide grind your first 10 matches and it will put you in the babby tier.

The worst thing you can do is buy a shitmech with your free money you get at the beginning

>>161865514
>>161864998

That is surprising but makes sense looking at it again because who the fuck else would run around cover and shit because a lone raven slowly waddled towards their shaq. Still, that was the vertical slice they wanted to show, but "carefully crafted" was probably the wrong wording to use in reference to something done by PGI.

It looked pretty unimpressive to me, like the set of a high school play constructed out of cardboard. Probably because it's brazenly using art assets from a four year old free to play game.

>>161868180
It was carefully crafted in the sense that it was bad enough to convince everyone it was 100% live gameplay. Which it most probably was, given how janky it was done, but you know. And yet it was good enough to let you know what the fun potential was and what it could be like if someone competent (ie you) were at the controls.

PGI is such a wonderful company.

>>161868180

It's extremely unimpressive if we pretend PGI is a real company.

For PGI, it's remarkable. They didn't lie, hype, or even mention that they were working on singleplayer. They waited to reveal it until they had something to show, and when they showed it, Russ said a grand total of zero words, and let the robot action speak for itself. There was no Bryan or powerpoint presentations involved.

So from the stance the golds are approaching it, this is a masterpiece.

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>>161867782
it keeps happening

>>161866867
im the spider 5k

>>161869212
I need to get one of those

>>161869736
buy the mastery pack when it goes on sale, $2 over a month premium and you get some nice stuff

I need recommendations on my next mech, i filled up on mechbays. I already have most of the tryhard meta chassis, now i can just mess around. Viper, summoner, shadow hawk, crab? solo queue mostly

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for vent

>>161870174
Shadow Hawk
It is a chassis with variants that cater to all three weapon types. We have no idea of what the final skill tree system will be like so I can't tell you what the returns on this long term investment will be like.

Now tell me what to buy: Rifleman, Atlas, Stalker or Grasshopper?

>>161870352
Asshopper

>>161871132
grasshopper unless you have warhammers, atlas if you dont want another generic laser vomit chassis

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i love my team

>>161871604
I preordered the Whammys, I was looking at the Hoppers for their JJ potential.

I guess Atlas it is then. Have space to train two brand new chassis after the last sale, so probably 3 chassis will fit if I let go of some older mechs and unwanted variants.

How has the PIG managed to make UE4 look so terrible?

>>161871957
the S and the DDC are the only ones keeping at the moment

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>>161842606
Ice ferret.
It's fast and agile.

>>161827851
Actually, it's more like the guys who literally Started (Sean tracy and Dan Tracy, aka Criminal and Kamikaze) MW:LL got hired by Crytek, waaaaay before Piggy decided to get into the game. They were the crew that actually SOLD the game engine to Rusty Bollocks and were his technical advisors/contacts inside the company,

Then he burned his bridges and shat all over the mod that they had started, which had done all the ground work for what MWO would become. The Crytek guys literally told us on the MWLL team that making a mech in their engine couldn't be done, till we did it, thats what got quite a few of our guys hired on there. Of course they're all working on Star Citizen now instead and have been for a good while.

Not sure what finally caused the drama, if there really is any, but thats what happened.

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REEEEE

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@shoebox

>>161872828
harabec poster spotted

>>161872828
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS FAST AND AGILE?

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no breaks

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>kong lords of ancient returning to gerg thanks to MW5
>big mans happening
>can't play because of reasons
why does it have to be today of all days

>>161873920
There have been bigmans every day for the past 2 weeks. Don't stress about it.

Man I just can't wait to continue giving PGI money after the bang up job they've done with MWO.

>>161875171
Summarizes the gold forums pretty much in one sentence.

>>161875704
I think it describes this thread too.

>>161877715
It lacks the quotation marks in order to be fitting for /gerg/.

>>161877776
I think it's hilarious that /gerg/ pretends it's not as gold as the actual golds.

You people have been giving the PIG money for 4years just like the reachrounders so what makes you any different than them?

>>161878278
What makes you different

>>161878530
I just shitpost here. I don't play shit games for 4 years.

>>161878723
You must live such a fulfilling and fantastic life.

>>161878884
Why yes I do. My life is full of fun Vidya.

>yfw when piggy will still be going strong in 2020

>>161878723
Has it occurred to you that maybe you are not the only shitposter in the world

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post yfw Vass was wrong again and PGI is going to make a shitload of money and outlast him

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>>161879317
>have at least three full years of bushwhacking

>>161879557
If Vass allah Ackbard PGI at least he would accomplish something for once in his worthless life.

Bonus is getting rid of both Vass and PGI

>>161879786
I loved the Bushwacker in mw3 but it wasn't very fun in mw4. I hope it's okay in mwo, at least as good as the ryoken.

>>161880546
>at least as good as the ryoken
hahahahahaha not even close buddy

>>161880629
fugg

>>161880546
It's gonna need some heavy quirks to be any good and it will still have the ebon jag weakness.

I'm kind of glad pgi is finally making their own oc donut steel mechs.

Only because it means we'll see less goldmen cannon shitmechs that riddle battletech like the plague.

I'm all for diversity but lets be honest, there are mechs in the game that no one would ever use competitively and only get by with extreme quirks.

>>161881203
You are retarded my man

>>161881203
How about instead they moved the time period up a bit and used more of the huge variety of good mechs that they haven't implemented yet?

Oh wait, that'd involve introducing new tech and they refuse to do that.

>>161881203
If this game was designed for competitive viability we wouldn't need anything but Locust, Raven, Firestarter, Arctic Cheetah, Jenner IIC, Shadow Cat, Hunchback IIC, Stormcrow, Hellbringer, Warhammer, Timberwolf, Mauler, Battlemaster, Atlas, and Kodiak at the most. Those cover pretty much every slightly useful role in an effective fashion.

>>161881831
Er, Spider not Firestarter what the fug was I thinking.

What's a fun assault for somebody relatively new and doesn't particularly care about the meta?

>>161881987
>he wants to have fun in MWO

>>161881831
Now that I look at it you probably don't even need both Mauler and Kodiak either.

>>161881987
Pretty much literally any of them man.

>>161882061
>relatively fun*
My bad anon.

>>161881987
XL400 wubmaster

>>161882120
Relative to what?

>>161882169
Other assaults.

>>161882268
Atlas

>>161882268
Assaults have a lot of different kinds of fun, but Wubmaster is probably the most viable for a new player and/or solo queue because of its speed and range flexibility, plus it doesn't require leveling trash variants. Things like Maulers, Dire Whales, King Crabs, and Atlas can easily never make it to the fight if you don't know what you're doing or your team are fuck ups.

>>161881831
Stormcrow is meta competitively? Metamechs ranks it as a low tier 3 bot. Should I not trust that site?

Lord Scientists of the Kong Syndicate I challenge you to make a Banshee build using a *drum roll* Standard 380.

>>161882571
Stormcrow and hunchback 2cs are the most common meta comp mediums.

>>161882571
metamechs is beyond garbage my man

>>161882571
Just grab the builds from there, mostly ignore the tiers thing.

>>161882865
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=143&l=924c5b9bf1d7b667c2bfee89b59570f56482e386

>>161883323
>it's an old meme but it checks out

>>161882865
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=145&l=f7631843dcf6506f0fb7b11c6e4ac0e715026cc0

we ded yo

cheet mayne i aint even like row botts

>>161882571
He ranks it higher on his actual comp list, if you're worried about that. You also have to consider that he only ranked a small number of mediums above it and most of those (UAC Hunchback IICs and UAC5 Shaq) have gone to shit in the last patch and fill similar roles to each other so they're redundant.

It's the best streak boat and thus light hunter in the game and can run pretty much any kind of build you can do with a medium besides dedicated dakka at least okay, so it remains a solid mech with a useful niche and important part of the meta regardless of the current weapon balance or quirks.

Hellbringer isn't necessarily considered super strong anymore either but it's the clear best ECM heavy in the game fundamentally and probably the lowest compromise ECM mech in the game in general so it always has a place on teams (as much as we see people drop with 3 to 5 of them in group queue, it's really not ideal to bring so many over other more powerful heavies). Jenner IIC got nerfed to shit but only it and Oxide can deliver large numbers of SRMs up your butthole at Sanic speeds. If this was efficiently designed as pure tournament game and not a f2p income machine you'd only need one of a kind mechs and not all the shit that depends on the hitbox and quirk lottery to be slightly more effective at the same thing as the next robot.

>random people sending friend requests

Is this what it's like to be kong strong?

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>>161818647
Anyone know what variant the shadow hawk is in the MW5 trailer?
Im gonna run it stock in solo

>>161886193
It's just a Shaq 2H (minus the lrm ammo). The blandest of all shaqs.

>>161886250
>tfw now he's going to run it stock, with an LRM5, with no LRM ammo
nice

>>161886193
You would be better served dropping the heatsinks if they allow it and putting that into armor and maybe swapping out the SRM2 for another LRM5. 12 sinks is one of those intentional character flaws that they put in to make each mech feel special, but some of them are very dumb. This one not so much because it helps offset heat from any engine damage, still quite unoptimized.

Well, at least that's only if MW5 follows a heat versus cooling scale closer to the tabletop. It's still a very cold mech anyway.

>>161838231
>not knowing pretty basic logic terms relating to arguments
>responding by dismissing them as buzzwords

great job :^)

On the topic of MW5, I wonder if they are going to keep the full criticals mechlab as MWO is currently using or if they will go with something simpler, maybe even something MW4-like. There is virtually no such thing as a lack of critical space in 3015, so if they use the MWO mechlab most of the screen will be wasted empty space. Hardpoint slot sizes and types (and weight?) like in MW4 would be enough to keep things orderly and remain within the rules, since the slot sizes can be just based on the actual number of crits.

Some variants could be balanced and differentiated by having 8 ballistic slots in one side, preventing an AC/20 from fitting in there but AC/5 x2 would work or even MG x8. Only the variants with 10+ ballistic would be able to fit an AC/20.

>>161887448
"Part of that freedom will be a little different than what most MechWarrior Online players are used to. In MechWarrior Online, mechs are customized using the 'Mechlab,' which allows you to build a mech with any kind of weapon loadout so long as it follows some loose principles. One of the bigger criticisms with the Mechlab is that it ruins the flavor of each individual mech by making them all feel the same within their weight class.

Bullock explains that, while no final decision has been made, MechWarrior 5 is looking to focus more on a "variant-based free market system" that guides how mechs are outfitted. What this means is that, instead of open-ended customization, mechs will have a handful of variants for each chassis that they will conform to. This should make mechs feel more unique to one another while reinforcing the roles that they fill on the battlefield."

http://www.pcgamer.com/mechwarrior-5/

>>161887530
>instead of open-ended customization, mechs will have a handful of variants for each chassis that they will conform to
So you mean that virtually no one will ever buy the SHD-2D or 2D2 series? Greaaaaat. Can't even drop a gun to put on some more armor and actually make it do its job properly.

>>161887448
If they want to appease the old gold men who will continually shit on it no matter what till its released (and after it is, either good or bad), they will use old MW4 way.
Or be normal humans and use MWOS easy system not give into the rants of the old gold men and fling their shit right back at them

>>161887590
The most important fire that we need to hold to Russ's feet is the "no final decision has been made" line, and make sure enough people put up a bitch fit that they want MWO style customization in MW5Mercs.

>>161887530
>>161887590
Also, they didn't say that there is no customization, but Russ probably meant that it will be more restrictive than the current hardpoint system.

From the new mechanics in the teaser gameplay, I can think of one way to penalize over customization: just increase the cockpit rocking and have the mech lean to one side, swaying back and forth while moving. That disorientation could be enough to make it worthwhile to follow a mech's original spec when customizing. If not, then add penalties to mobility and such to cement the concept into gameplay.

俺は嬉しいのか?嬉しく無いのか?微妙なメックを手に入れれしまった

>>161888146
Really makes ya think
Get our filthy gook langauge out of here

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>>161888146

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"worthless but fast" said my teammate

>>161887624
>>161887821
>actually wants every fucking mech to just be the exact same gunboat that only looks different
literally kill yourselves

>>161889351
>Posts the same thing Vass would post
>Not Vass
Im confused

>>161889351
To be fair an MW4 style, or maybe even a bit more restrictive, doesn't necessarily wind up with that.
>>161889412
Surprisingly enough multiple people can hold similar opinions.

>everyone wants to play peek-a-boo cover shooter supreme, game of the year edition
>pick 12x er spl stromcrow
>stab fags in the back and run off

>tfw

>>161889503
MW4 style hardpoint sizes combined with the freedom of MWOs crit slot system would be ideal in my opinion.

>>161890109
Hardpoint size and weight distribution per variant. I only realized now that since the timeline of the game will go up to the Clan Invasion, the whole IS tech base of the SL can make an appearance, so the mech lab needs to be able to take weight saving tech into account. It should also work with the Clans and beyond in expansions.

The mech lab is most probably going to be a modified MWO one. No point in fixing what's not broken.

>>161890109
Oh, yeah, I agree, but I'd rather full MW4 than full MWO in a singleplayer game to be honest.

>>161891258
You'd have MW4 hardpoint sizes for weapons, but at the same time you have to allocate crit space for heatsinks, ammo, jump jets and so on. You'd still have the same amount of crit space as in MWO but instead of having say, two energy hardpoints in the left arm, you'd have a 3 crit slot orange box. Just as an example.

CAN'T WAIT A WEEK TILL SMURFY MADiiC MADNESS

>yfw only 2xCUAC/20 and doublegoose pepsi are viable

What are my weapon choices if I want to be an annoying cunt at 600 to 1200 meters on a medium? Is there something better than large lasers, ppcs and gauss rifles?

How do BAP and ECM work? Targeting enemies is such a chore in this game compared to before. Is there a way I can just know who is within about 400m of me?

>>161892803
No

>>161892803
LRM5s.

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>>161887530
>believing the lies of pcgamer

>>161894062
>implying that's pcgamer lying and not PGI lying to pcgamer

Ooh, I’d forgotten how much I’d been waiting for a singleplayer mech fightin’ game.

Anyone got any thoughts on how well it works with a HOTAS?

>>161896298
It will probably use MWO's aiming system so terribly, but you'll be facing AI so you can always just play on easy :^)

CUTE'a'PULT

http://www.pcgamer.com/mechwarrior-5/

>"We want to go from 3015 right up to the clan invasion of 3049," Bullock tells me.

>With the countless planets of the Inner Sphere to fight on, MechWarrior 5 will use "seeded" levels which will generate terrain dynamically based on a variety of factors.

>>161900937
ok

>>161900937
kmp

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>>161900937

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>It's a I O O % Konglord episode

How does Kong feel about Glorious Capellan Confederation and it's valiant citizens? The only CCAF group I've found to drop with is a bunch of Russians.

>>161902182
what?

>>161902182
>Glorious Capellan Confederation
>Glorious
FWL says fuck you

>>161888146
>I'm glad or are not you happy? I got a delicate Mech

Yes, we are all happy.

>>161902182
Most of the Confederation aren't citizens because they don't get citizenship.

WHOA, ROBOTS!

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>>161905150

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>kong is falling for the pigs lies
>AGAIN

http://www.pcgamer.com/mechwarrior-5/

This is everything we wanted. 60-90 weeks from now.

>>161906030
More like 60-90 months.

Large Lasers feel so good on Stormcrow, why does laser vomit use MLs and LPLs over four ER LLs?

>>161906748
Because ghost heat.

Because stormcrow still has those hunchbacked shoulders of its, so it's not that good of a hillhumper/ long range sniper.

Because you're fucked the second someone gets to close range with those high heat, long burn lasers.

>>161906748
Burn time. Clan ERLLs mean you have to hold a beam steady on the bits you want destroyed for a long time and you rarely fight at 850+ meters anyway.

On top of that, if your team has you and several other mechs hiding in the back, it means that all your frontline mechs will get focused hard, destroyed, and then it becomes a simple process to lose the match.

>>161906748
spoopy heat

>>161906748
>CERLL ever

>>161907373
CERLL are fun
kys

>>161906935
>>161906971
Burn time makes sense, I guess.

>>161907007
I was firing them 2x2 and not having much issue, and took less damage overall than I did brawling with 12 SPL.

>>161908749
Well of COURSE you're going to take less damage sniping from ridiculously far away. You're relegating your part of the damage absorption to other teammates.

Conversely, when you're a shank range murderbot with 12 small pulse lasers, people HAVE to focus you down quickly or that repeated 72 damage one-two punch combo is going to fucking wreck them.

Even an Orion with +18 structure to a side torso and fully front loaded armor will lose that side torso if you fire a group of 6 three times, which you can do under 2 seconds.

>"Being a smaller independent developer, we know who our customers are and we're making this for them,"

where did i heared that befor ? i mean befor 3rd person

>>161909468
>we know who we scared off and we want their money again

I played MWO last december when it was relased on Steam. Recently I got back into it, maybe I'm playing it wrong, but were Stormcrows or medium lasers nerfed? I feel like I'm doing way less damage than I used to, where on average I could at least dish out 500-600, where as now I can barely hit 300. I stay alive for quite a while, and I play as a medium should: peek, shoot, retreat, find a new spot to shoot from.

Maybe I'm just rusty, but I'm not seeing any SCR's in quick play, and the idea that my 3 mechs are useless now is kinda scary.

>>161909974
welcome to the mechwarrior online experience.
guess why you see so many founder mechs

>>161909974
Stormcrows are mediums, so they are not as good as other robots.

Basically;
Clan heavies>IS heavies>Assaults>Hunchback 2C>rest

>>161909974
No, the stormcrow has had no nerfs. It's still as good as it's always been, but laserboats without decent energy quirks are out of vogue.

Medium lasers have had their max range nerfed, so don't bother shooting your weapons when you're out of optimal range.

>>161909974
strongcrows have always been better as short range fuck you mechs (speed and number of energy and missile hardpoints) than mid range pokers (only two high mounted hardpoints)

is it too late to get into mwo? is the game dead? i've never played a mechwarrior game and it looks fun

>>161892659
>UAC20
>viable

>>161910682

It's not dead but you'll be coming to a game where most of the players are well established - the difference in skill is going to be very evident.

>>161910925
so basically i'll be getting stomped every game until i can grind upgrades for my mech? might have to pass

>>161911124
If you play light mechs or certain medium mechs, you won't get stomped every time

but it'll take you a little bit to afford the optimal loadouts for heavy and assault mechs, which is the problem since lights and mediums aren't exactly easy to play either

>>161910925
This is the dumbest post I have ever seen in /gerg/

>>161911124
No, tier 5 players are brutal. Your greatest enemy will be your own team.

>>161910518
>>161910518
>>161910378
I guess I'll stick to my SRM carrier one until I'll get enough c-bills for a heavy.

>>161911473

Don't he Cadet Bonuses end up giving you like 20mil?

lasers be like PEEEEWWWWWW

but pulse lasers, they be like BLUM BLUM BLUM BLUM BLUM.

>>161887821

Eh. I wouldn't mind MW4 style customisation.

Being able to fit a meta build into every mech chassis might be the right system for an online pvp game like MWO, but I can definitely understand wanting to preserve the flavour of each mech/variant, and between the MWO extreme and the variant-only (almost no customisation) extreme, MW4's strikes a decent balance.

>>161887590

I kinda doubt you won't be able to drop weapons for more armor - As long as the weight and critical space is in-spec then I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do just that.

>>161902182

Better than chinks mate.

>>161887530

"Developed in Unreal 4, MechWarrior 5 is being made by a separate team than the one working on MechWarrior Online at Piranha"

Game is fucking SAVED

>>161910682
>>161911124
I started playing a couple of weeks ago and I did fine. Most of the unlocks aren't really that major at lower skill tiers and you can unlock a few mechs pretty much right off.
A little basic competence and you should be fine.

That said the game is shit don't play it.

>>161914737
there's worse than PGI out there, believe it or not

>>161915891

Sure, but a) PGI would still be in the bottom quartile, and b) I'm already sick of MWO. Some changes from a new team would make for welcome refreshment.

>>161915961
>actually believing their lies

what mechs are objectively shit? what mechs should new players try or avoid?

>>161910682
>>161911124

You literally start in the kiddy pool playing against old men with no reflexes and kids who don't know what they're doing. If you get stomped after doing the tutorial you deserve it.

>>161917423
depends on the player

>>161911473
make a throwaway account. learn the basics of the game from it with the tutorial and the trial mechs that are free to use. Take the trial mechs you have an interest in and screw around with them in the Academy setting.

Once you think you're ready to go, make your real account and make certain you have two days open to kill so you make the most out of your 24 hour free Premium time. If you milk it hard, 24 million is possible for certain. More if you want to give up some sleep.

If you are dead set on really wanting a mech of your own and you are positive about the chassis, buy it part way through your Cadet bonus games and premium time with your earned Cbills. Since you're racking up Experience points in your matches during your bonus time frame, there's no harm to be earning that experience on a mech you'll want to own.

>>161917423
>objectively shit

Vindicator
Archer
Kintaro
Orion2c
Panther
Mist Lynx
Kit Fox
Victor
Zeus

>>161917670
>throwaway accounts
>wasting extra time on trials

You get 20 mil from tutorial and cadet bonus and can buy a mech on your very second day playing

>>161916597

What lies?

Even if the 'new' team is half comprised of MWO people then that's still better than if it were one and the same.

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Mechwarrior 5 finally!

Hype thrusters to maximum!

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>mfw MW5 comes out, people play it and want to play online so they go try MWO and go "What thew fuck is this shit?"

How much worse would 2x C-ERLL + 11x C-ERSL be compared to 12x C-ER SPL? I want a ranged option instead of holding my dick while Tier 5 old men park their assaults in BFE, and my choices become do nothing while we lose or flank extremely hard and die if they see me.

>>161919816
12 SL or bust

>>161919816
This is the advantage of having two monitors. You can be patient because you're literally in no rush.

>>161919816
If you try to build mix range bracket builds, you'll be shit at either range compared to someone who specialized at one, and will lose the trading game at long range and any brawl that might occur.

>>161892803
CDA-3C
XL 285
ERPPC + AC/2 w/ 4 tons of ammo
or
ERPPC + AC/5 w/ 2 tons of ammo

There you go, long range 'medium.' With those quirks the ERPPC puts in some work. Its probably a shit build but its fun.

>>161919816
You know what works at all ranges? Gauss and Pepsi. That's why people play that.

>>161922126
I don't like pepsi... I like mr. Pibb more

>kong dead
>mumble dead
WAKE UP
BIG MANS NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJsrE4Z9Q6w

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>>161926761
RIGHT NOW REEEE

>>161837019
I used to lurk these threads in like 2012 back when I was figuring out what 4chan even was, and now I'm popping back in here to see what the buzz about the new MW5 game is.


you fags are STILL KONG DROPPING

JESUS

CHRIST

where did the time go

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>>161820545

Considering popping for a Roughneck pack just to piss off the salty loremasters that consider it an abomination to the holy canon of their tabletop source game. Or are they not likely be found in the servers by April 2017 for it to even matter?

>>161927296
kong is eternally strong

>>161927296
fuck off moot

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>>161927329
Deal grabbed my dude.

>>161927665
rip

>>161927387
who?

>Quirk/Skill overhaul video
>Vectoring: increases forward thrust of jump jets
>SDR-5V
>12 Jump Jets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LX7WrHCaUA

yall nerds are grabbin deals
greg be grabbing pussy

step it up senpais

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>>161927296
Kong doesn't just do patented warboss lead big man drops.

Kong is also at the forefront of mech meme technology.

Kong is the hottest new comp team in the Inner sphere.

People whisper the name of Kong in foreign teamspeaks and discords.

Kong is only getting started.

>>161927863
>only blasting off
>not using it for sick midair turns to dodge
the correct song is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

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>>161927827
I wonder if I'll have to remind them daily...

>>161927329
Enjoy your ugly piece of shit

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I will lift this thread from page 10.

>>161900937

We've heard this shit before.

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Some how I don't think they know whats going on.

>>161937746
>baneed?

>>161937746
who?

>>161937840

They also don't seem to have a grasp on the account either, its still banned and I've informed them.

Their tools must be very very.....blunt.

>>161937840
baned?

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>>161937917

It was a nice try dudebot, but I didn't think it would happen either.

>>161939214
Trikd

>>161939326

Eh, I wouldn't call it bring tricked, I had nothing to lose really.

>>161939376
I would guess it is technical reasons, maybe the data literally is gone

>>161939671

If that was the case you would think the account would come up as " User name does not exist.", but instead it shows that it is in fact there.

The real question is why would a company unlock several free mechs, mechbays, unspent MC and premium time? Do you think PGI hates money? I suppose if it were a technical reason it would be because the account never ran during their migration. Ever since that day certain account features and things have been missing. Bans usually followed with the account setting of " Dezgra " and colored font. But now none of them have it.

So pizzadog is back? Why is this allowed? He disgraced us in the eyes of the entire community, he's the SOLE REASON we don't have the grand prize right now. If we're going to continue playing I demand this shithead notKlord get removed from Kong immediately. #pizzagate

>>161942602
Pizzadog was never a Klord. We never had a Pizzadog. There is only Punished Dog

Are the shadowcat and executioner the only mechs with MASC?
I've read that, but also read some kodiaks have it but have read that it's both any with a high engine and only the spirit bear

>>161950040
Spirit bear, a wolverine, and a cataphract also have it.

>>161950040
>>161950443
>leaving out 2fast2phoenixhawk, the fastest mech in the game

>>161950940
I pretty much tuned out everything to do with the pixie.

>>161950443
Huh, didn't think that it might not be locked on the spirit bear and didn't check the equiptment tab.
Which cataphract though?

>>161842606
Stormcrow

>>161951216
CTF-3L

You can literally look everything up on smurfy.