/rlg/ - Roguelike General

First for chei

link to discord please

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>i used a wand of mirroring on the bread

>>161702636
here u go anon:
https://discordapp.com/

I'm actually really tempted to start playing roguelites and post about it here regardless of the backlash. It'd be way more on topic and higher quality than all the incessant shit- and meta- posts here

So how does one chei

>>161703060
go for it anon

so should i eat all these mut chunks? i have 13

>>161703150
do it for Xom, yolo

>>161703060
>the thread isn't very good, so I'm going to crank the cancer to 11 so /gsg/ looks like an on-topic game discussion paradise
t. liquor pro

>>161703316
>game discussion
>cancer

>>161703291
>awoo is literally everywhere and is not remotely unique

>>161703316
at least were not world of tanks general
that stuff is inevadible shittery irregardlessly of time of day

>>161703103
Take him if you get an early altar or double back after you kickstart some defense. Then just kill the dudes as a dude with a dude of stats on your dudely back. Bend time on any non-trivial threat to slow it. Even works on pan lords with enough power. Temporal distortion to juggle ranged guys closer. Slouch fast shit if you can't wreck it. Always keep the mp for twoish step from time.

>>161703150
Yeah. The curve falls off around 6/7 muts and you often gain more than you lose.

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I was using my rod of detect monsters actively, it is likely Borel was fast enough to dash in after a few steps outside detect radius. I tried to teleport with my stave but failed.
>you fail to use your device properly


Lord Borel on depth 35 it pretty bullshit, I say.

I'm playing a sexy character, so (massively) OOD monsters are much more dangerous.

>>161703446
As far as I know, /rlg/ is considered to be one of the most on-topic of /vg/'s generals. I think the shitposting has gotten worse over the past several months, though, but that's for all I have been here, for all that I can observe and conclude.

>>161703060
>"It'd be way more on topic and higher quality than all the incessant shit- and meta- posts here"
>As he makes a meta post
Do everyone a favor:
https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983
http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/
https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/
https://github.com/tung/DynaHack/releases/tag/v0.6.0
https://forays.github.io/

>>161703385
>off topic posting
>not cancer
roguelite is more cancerous than tummyposting

>>161703918
found the tummyposter

how the fuck does xom even work

>>161703692
And I'm aware I tried to move twice. Thats because I had no expectations of sudden OOD uniques (note I did use a rod of detect monster) and was intent to walk down a gods damn hallway.

>>161703316
is gsg that bad?

I only frequent one other general that appears to be free of all cancer, but I'm not going to name it.

I've been playing DCSS on and off for over 6 years, now, and I've never figured out the deal with decks and Nemleh Zoblex.

We should hold a referendum on roguelite discussion in the roguelike general

http://www.strawpoll.me/11786010

>>161703778
what's wrong with metaposting

>>161703692
>Lord Borel on depth 35 it pretty bullshit, I say.
That's actually his native depth.

>>161704092
use shift-move instead of mashing your keys dumas

>>161704120
/gsg/ is an utter shitshow. The only time people discuss games is to mock someone for being new or to meme about Vicky2 liquor. This thread is paradise in comparison, even with the meta- and tummyposting.

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>mfw confuse an orc warlord and he falls into the water and drowns

>mfw enslave dowan and force duvessa to kill him with her own hands

>mfw stick her behind a slowed kobold in a hallway to let her berserk impotently expire, then killing her

>mfw paralyzing the lead gnoll in a pack in a hallway and raining acid down on them all

artificer's the life for me lads

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>>161704279
Doing what you complain about is sad. The general is for talking about games like rogue. Roguelites have zero business in it because they're here to talk about rogue and games that give the rogue experience. Something roguelites don't do. Either make a new general for them, make /v/ threads or be a mature adult about it like everyone else that eats shit and use reddit to talk about it.

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>>161704286
Jesus. ive only ever encountered him around Dragon's Lair before. He's x99 more dangerous than any other unique at that depth, id rather face Morganne le Fae or Mordred.

>>161704345
Never heard of this before, how does it vary from generic movement? Moving one square at a time sounds like the most arduous shit in the world.

Also:
>Dumas
How did you know?

What are some good Pokemon roguelikes?

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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK


>>161704605
it runs in a direction until you see a thing

press shift L in a left-moving corridor and your little babby @ will move all the way to the other end of the corridor, unless @ sees a monster and gets scared

>>161704716
>press shift L in a left-moving corridor and your little babby @ will move all the way to the other end of the corridor, unless @ sees a monster and gets scared
Thanks, ill have to remember that when I get less salty and come back for another assbeating.

Most of my problems could probably be avoided by not playing sexy characters, but god damn I'm determined to win as one.

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>that one Sewer with Grinder and the kobold demonologist
How can one even deal with it?

>>161704912
>grinder
go out the entrance you came in, unless you love dying to rng instakill

percent resist chance MR is a Good Mechanic (tm)

>>161704691
There are none. If you want a shin-megami-tensei clone there's Demon. If you want a turn based pokemon themed dungeon crawler you can play pokemon mystery dungeon

>>161704912
many ways, depending on your character

>>161705020
>tfw no new Demon until 12/11

>>161705154
I hear if you delete your starter demon on turn 1 and and win the game without ever linking with a demon you'll receive an email with a prerelease build

>>161705250
dude

>>161705250
brb trying this

>>161704087

You get mutations along with interesting and tactical situations

>>161705250
Don't tempt me

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>>161704087
You play a scummy cummy tummy mummy of Xom and savescum until you get to the third floor of the lair branches and have rF+. Then go to temple and hold autorest to pass 1.8 million turns for Xom gifts while listening to audiobooks or podcasts. Whenever summons come just go up the stairs. Then you have 200k turns to go win.

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>>161675748
The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long
like tears in the rain

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>>161706646
That's not how that metaphor goes you faggot

AND DEMON IS NOT DEAD (I'll get around to editing this image later)

>>161704912
kobold demonologist is frail, so if you can ambush him from around a corner, you can finish him quickly before he starts summoning

grinder is another problem, but he falls to the same rules; ambush him and get him in melee

you should have a zerk pot by this point

>>161708214
>he
>him

>>161702295
>>Nethack annual DevNull tournament is running until the end of November
>http://nethack.devnull.net/
[calendar checking intensifies]

>>161708464
male is the neutral default

>>161708464
????

>>161708464
GAS THE DEVS

GENDER WAR NOW

>>161708629
>tfw you identify as an Edain of house Hador but Feanor just bullies you

>>161708594
grinder is a female (male) imp

>>161708629
>>>/pol/

>>161710132
>tfw zap 0 skill wand of conf/para/slow at Xhariehim and Xhariehiegoes goes down liek a bitch
Thank you based evo floor jew. You are my greatest ally

recommend me a PCB class, fellas/fellettes

>>161710460

GrBe, HEMo^Trog, MiBe

>>161710460
ring monk of nature

>>161710460
Human Warrior

>>161702295
>it's an "anon is a complete dumb fuck that copypastes the entire old thread OP even though though people in the thread have been telling him that several things have changed days ago" episode
DEV NULL WAS OVER LAST WEEK
THE CRAWL TOURNAMENT WAS OVER TWO WEEKS AGO
TRIM

>>161703291
Too bad that's gonna change because of a very motivated shitposter, as always

Why do people try to shit up the only good vg thread I like

I'll have to pull a dicku one of these days

>>161711137
>no one will ever win mumo again
>dicksan will never ascend to pharaoh-hood
>tfw endlessly missing spanish pork tubes

>>161710848
done, will post results of the eventual splat

>>161710460
Demigod warrior of Zeus
Ring
Yeek monk of nature
Death sword
Possessor
Hydra
Jelly/slime
Android rune knight
Dunadain ranger
Lazy snotling tourist
Vortex

>>161711137
Then contributing to the bitching and post content. Why else do you think they do it?

>>161710460
MAULER
SMASH THE DRAGONS TO BITS WITH A 100LB WEAPON
POP YOUR ENEMIES SO HARD THAT THE BLOOD EXPLOSIONS KILL THE FRIENDS NEXT TO THEM
CRY AS YOU GO 20 LEVELS WITHOUT FINDING ANYTHING HEAVIER THAN A LANCE

>>161712035
LANCE REFORGE, I CHOOSE YOU!

A Lance +5,+6 {slay orc, A:Frost Bolt} 30.0s

>>161711483
>the loneliest MuMo
We'll get that meat filling one day, anon. But someone has to choose to wear the crown.

>crawl
>dungeon is seen from top down
>but characters are shown frontally
How is this allowed

>>161712214
reforging a lance doesn't make it any heavier anon

most of maulers' damage is based on weight.

>>161712269
>The pharoah waits in his tomb for the day the chosen one releases the fifteen seals of legend on his sarcophagus
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFEUfS4r_A
Why haven't you saved dicku-chan?

>>161712398
Top down invariably looks terrible.

How the FUCK do I get into PCB? It's like reading runes

>>161712479
Use look and monsters/items in view a lot. Everyone has a rough time with their first but after a lot of the glyphs carry over.

>>161712479
vanilla angband is the one with the runes anon

pcb still has the old ?id/*id* system

>>161712518
Yeah but what do I DO

>>161712479
Start with msvcr100.dll

>>161712618
Read the pastebin you quadruple dodecagiganigga. It gives you the lowdown on what to roll and where to go when. I followed it and got my first win in under 400 hours

>>161712713
I know but that's taking me a while and I thought I could get some quick tips out here

>>161712756
Listen here you little shit. The quality of your experience can be fast, cheap, or good and you only get to pick two. Put in your time to do it right or it's going to tear out your ass and impregnate you.

>>161712618
The pastebin has a quick start guide in it which is still largely accurate aside from the presence of dungeon entrance guardians.

>>161712756
Here's the most basic starting ctions
-with your starting fund, by basic armor from the armor shop
-with the rest of the money, buy teleport scrolls and healing items (cure serious wounds is fairly economical)
-take the Thieves Quest and level up a few times there.

>>161712894
if you have a ranged attack, spend all your starting money on teleport scrolls and head south to find a 2headed hydra to pick on for F R E E X P

>>161713204
Wrong

>>161713636
thiefquest is better of course but mages are often too pathetic and weak to take it at level 1

>>161713716
Hydra no sud del natre cont welc sam esser del Morivant quencha na kita wa Outpost. Kita no amer enflat purcel del chikara.

>>161713716
>Walk on down to swamp town
>zapzap muhfugga
>You have reached level 25
OhaiyougozaimashtasItadakimashtaayoonara

>>161714157
>just slap all the nihingo you know into a single word

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holy shit this dank mace at 0 skill has been singlehandedly carrying my delicate skin

>>161714289
>Walk on down to swamp town
>Good morning
>zapzap muhfugga
>thanks for the meal
>You have reached level 25
>Goodbye
Fite me. It's been 7 years but I know a lot more than just that.

>>161714345
wtf is that tile

>>161714345
Is that a -4 AC ring with a remove curse scroll?

>>161714345
What the hideous god of fuck is that tile?

>>161714345
>that tile
>-4 AC ring
>no buckler
>arrows
>great sword
>"the nimble"
>chei

what the fuck man

>>161714596
>ywn post here for years and still be this much of a shitter

tiles, not even once

>>161714596
Remove curse scrolls in his bag too

>>161714397
>>161714419
Joke tileset haven't you guys seen it
Also fuck you Dark

>>161714596
>>arrows
i assume he's playing OpTm for maximum chei memes

>>161714596

>he doesn't use arrows to reload his great sword

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>>161710848
Not dead yet!

>>161715040
kek
browsing this general while sleep deprived is the best

>>161715040
>tfw you get an accuracy and damage boost to throwing projectiles if you have an elec branded triple sword wielded
Crawl's the best

>>161714380
Sumimasen, boku no tomodachi.

>>161716440
You'll be sorry when my meaty wand of enslavement passes its MR check and you go jump into lava Friendo

>>161716521
I'm going to stick my omae wa mou in your shindeiru, kiddo.

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>>161716667
Yes, MuCK's are already dead inside you double dirty lolitaur

>>161716758
>lolitaur
Stealing this for my game.

>>161716860
Play maidensow Eve when you get a chance. Make Zin happy and do a pure 1CC too.

>>161716937
Maidensnow Eve is too difficult for me now that I've quit porn.

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>>161717025
Make Zin proud and pass nofap december as a qt pure priestess who don't need no demons. Ganbatte! I believe in you anon, win Maidensow Eve!

Is there a mod that removes the fucking mooses in CDDA?
I started in the wild 3 times and 3 times in a row, after all the attempts at survival and encountering many other things, at the end every time I was killed by a fucking moose.
How do I even survive innawoods?

>>161717735
Forage and skim fields for map extras with corpses, Get a sharp, cut shit up for rags to thread to make tools. Craft chain what you can to get a weapon with block, some storage and armor, and make some leather or makeshift funnels and waterskins/canteens. Use sprint and shrubs/saplings to get distance and kill shit. Eventually you'll have a decent resource map notations together. Do and keep doing tons of foraging for metal, cans, and containers. Keep ranging through fields for hordes and map extra corpses. Settle down, Take your shit out of your travois or whatever and plop your funnels and containers down. Craft chain through fabrication for plastic funnels for more than barely surviving water. Craft chain construction, get a rock kiln and smoking rack down. Start preserving food in-between building log walls then log roofing to build a rock forge to craft a hoe. Congrats you can now farm forever. In your downtime burn more charcoal. Dig a lot of shallow pits for movement control and trap up the place with nailboards and snares. Spiked pit key spots, Shallow pit diamonds for spring reach kiting, Dogbane gets you a little textiles, Herbal tea will keep you from dying to flu and cold 24/7. Pray to the RNG for lighters for pilot lights and zombies dropping 00 shot for grenades for the rare npc/hulk. Eventually you'll beat a ghetto bicycle together. though I think some faglord made wood wheels fixed only so you can't steer. to give you a larger range to find civilization.

Then basically you just live life until you kill yourself. desu, innawoods is really shit when you don't have a library at the least for all the book locks. Not having an rv hurts a lot too but not having a lot of the recipes is just ew.

>>161718269
Honestly I was just asking about how to survive the early game where you are spawned innawoods with usually no civilization around, I was thinking about settling down near civilization eventually, even though having a farm sounds fun.
I don't even understand fully 1/3 of this, lel, but thanks anyway.

>>161719017
Keep shrubs between you and it and hit it. In the future try to stay off the same screen as large game. It's not like they don't show up on your nearby enemies display

>>161714786

Nah, I'm playing an OpMo for a change of pace

>>161719349
Take Tm. It's basically monk but you can vomit snakes at stuff for distract punches and escapes. even better, the forms have better AC then you do as a 'pode.

>playing as ring
>find smeagol right away in stronghold
>he doesn't drop it

I'll never get over what could have been

this is it lads
>win 15 rune in dcss
never want to have anything to do with this piece of shit most boring game ever again
>spend 9000 hours on nethack wiki and ascend
neve fucking again
>*bands
bloat, tedium, grind
>sil
no magic muh tactics
>brogue
>allies
lmao

literally the only actual "worthwile" roguelike left for me is IA and after I ascent, I'm going to hate it too

>inb4 any other "roguelike"
no other roguelike is real and worth anyone's time

I'm literally going to play roguelites and go back to action games and fpses
don't worry I won't post here like that fucking nigger from last thread

>>161720352
thanks we really do care

>>161720407
le classical "you cared enough to reply ;^)" response

>>161720476
no seriously, please sign us up for your blog

>>161720352
>I'm literally going to play roguelites and go back to action games and fpses
Great riddance!

You're doing more for /rlg/ than any other poster did and you do it all just by leaving the place.

>>161720352
And nothing of value was lost.

For R, perhaps I should make pseudo-id property of items into sort of automapping ability, since pseudo-id comes automatically on at 25.

>>161720352
Allies are definitely Brogue's weakest point. How would you personally fix them?

>>161720352
Muh infra arcana

I don't have anything against IA dev because I haven't seen him act like a jackass (I bet he acts like one anonymously, though), but people who list IA as one of their favorite roguelikes tend to be insufferable cunts.

>attemt 10+n to survive in the wild
>somehow run through the forest packed with dangerous stuff and a road with zombies
>find a house with a corpse nearby
>it's my previous character corpse
>get into the house with a broken window to escape from zombies
>fucking moose in the kitchen
>die again
seriously fuck this fucking game

>>161721582
Are you playing with the PK mod or something?
Vanilla moose aren't very dangerous. You can beat one with a plank.
Or just kite it into zombies.

>>161721243
It's fun though and it has a solid theme.

>>161721684
He's not trying to shrub it probably and he doesn't have additional clothing. Heavy stick's don't have block either iirc.

>>161721684
I actually play with all world gen mods, outside of generic guns and z-levels, thought why not.
So is it PK mod that makes everything so assblasting?
>>161721750
I don't even have time for additional clothing and anything outside of a heavy stick. Shrubs don't help aganst that forest abomination.

>>161721819
It adds up enough so you can kill 1, maybe 2.

>>161721819
>So is it PK mod that makes everything so assblasting?
Yes

PK mod is an example of "old game difficulty", where trial and error is a-OK.
Core game generally tries to avoid "oops you cut a corner and there's rape behind it, now ur ded".

>>161722015
Well shit, I guess I better start without it to get a hang of the game first.
By the way since I'm going to start a new world anyway, what is the state of z-levels at the moment? Is it safe to play with them now or they are still buggy?

>>161722269
Safe

They slow things down a bit, so if you are playing on a total toaster, you may want them off. I have 2ghz core duo and z-levels are still playable, though.

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>fun

>>161722474
>implying it isnt fun

>>161722474
>rElec
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The lightning bouncesx3!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The lightning bouncesx2!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
>The lightning bouncesx4!
>The disc erupts in an explosion of electricity!
Awoooo! Who up for some dank 3d20/multiple 1d131 corridor bukkake??

>>161722474

rElec is fun
rC++ is fun
rF- is double un-fun

Net sum is that this armor is neither fun nor not fun.

>>161722943
Eat mutagenic chunks and acq armor. You'll get rF++ somewhere.

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>>161720862
Done. You can also rarely find it from rings and amulets, and Stone of Nature has it by default. Basically it automaps 3 + pval range every time player moves.

>>161706541
>leave temple at 1.8m turns
>3 caustic shrikes come into view

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paralysis a stupid

>>161724248
It's per floor not global

>>161724573
Pastebin your .lst

>>161724873
it is global nignog

>>161724907
But it's not? t.Mummy that did it albeit only a couple hundred thousand turns while I listened to a podcast

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>Staff of Conjuration 9/9
>Ring of Wisdom +3, Ring of Wisdom +1
>Armor of Respiration

>>161725190
How do staff of conjuration builds even work, it seems like the blades do way too little damage to be of any use in the deeper floors.

>>161725249
They do pitiful damage, but most enemies can only hit 1 at once. If your blade output is high enough and you spam them in the open, you'll get 7 free hits for a single blade destroyed. This lets me wreck Trolls with ease right now, but nagas would be a problem if I didn't have Firebolt and a squad of OP allies

>>161725190
>Paralysis fog shirou rides again
Living the dream

>>161725249
Blades are fast and they don't expire so every interval you shit out another pack of blades and anything you have to fight. Even if it's something like a naga or a dragon it just gets chipped to death. So you bait them into an opening, zap at the wall behind them, zap them in the face and they die in a whirling cloud of fuck your shit You can throw darts at gas traps or thow mal pots then trap them in it with blades that are immune to the gas. On top of that you have your other floor drops to assist so your recharge time isn't a problem.

>>161725190
>not Gate of Babylon
Sure is mongrel up in this thread

>>161725249
A couple of my conj wins literally half the floor packed tile for tile with blades by the time I'd go down the stairs cause from the moment I set foot on it I'd send a steady stream of blades out.

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>>161725778
>>161725190
FAKEEEEEER!!!

>>161726208
>dungeon:19
i miss crawl ;_;

>>161726438
>tfw like 12 floors of ass puckering terror every time you had to LRD something; Depths just isn't the same.

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This may be a dumb question, but what is "orb" status?

>>161726831
Are you carrying the Orb of Zot?

>>161727023

Nope, I'm only on Zot:2. I'm not 100% sure when it appeared, but it may have been when I stepped into Zot:1 for the first time. It's trunk, so lord knows.

>>161727139
It means the orb of zot is messing with your translocations.

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I just started tapping O on learndb to make the page scroll down

It's time to stop

>>161725449
>>161725190

The blades gain strength with every enchantment

>>161727950
Huh, I didn't know that.
Status update: All my allies are dead and I have no food. But I got my =Wisdom to +7 so that's cool, I can fuck over Horrors easily.

And after 23 (TWENTY THREE) FLOORS, I have FINALLY found and quaff-ID'd my FIRST Potion of Detect Magic.
Which is useless to me now that my inventory is full of useful stuff instead of junk.
Also, I didn't think before drinking it, so I'll have to !Telepathy the way to the Amulet. If I don't starve. Wish me luck!

>>161727840
You haven't played enough Crawl until, getting up to go to the bathroom at night, you briefly try to autoexplore your house.

>>161727432

Now what's this? Some pseudo nerf to cBlink to pretend it isn't overpowered?

>>161727950
I'm fairly sure they don't. I'd have to check the source code to be sure, but I won't since I'm in bed.

>>161728391
No, it was to nerf Passage of Golubria on Zot:5 first and foremost. It's rare to get CBlink without having chei or doing 15 runes.

>>161728391
cBlink isn't overpowered, it's a level 8 transolcations spell that only moves you around, needs 2% fail rate to be safely cast, and costs 9 mp.

>>161727840
>stop traveling to the bathroom because it's a waste of turncounts

git on my level

>>161727950
You gain more blades though. Was there a new version or something?

Does trunk nerf Sigmund? I just 1 shot him on D:2.

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>>161728469

Quite a shame that PoG exists then. I will miss god switching to a 6* Sif Muna by Zot:5 while just spamming cBlink and refusing to attack even a single monster both in Zot:5 and in the orbrun.

>>161729095
With who?

>>161729118
OpFi, I used my potion of might, but Sigmund shouldn't be dumb enough to start melee without some magic first

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>>161702295
Why the FUCK does 2pak's quick charge ability require piety now? That completely ruins him. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? The MP cost was already enough to stop you from just overusing it. Doing both just makes 2pak a weak and useless faggot

>>161717735
moose (and pretty much all animals) fear fire
if they spend a couple turns near one they'll fuck off

>>161728293
Okay, I'm there.
Now the question is.
Do I get what would be my third win or so?
Or do I attempt my first mastery ever? And if so, should I grab the amulet?

>>161729807
Pakellas was removed.

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fuck this dude

>>161731061
Nice scrolls of blinking.

>>161731061
>Chew Baka
You deserved it

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>>161731061

>Mennas can now spawn with a trishula

What a time to be alive. This truly is the best timeline.

>>161731153

he was casting silence before, and I kinda panicked.

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Can some kind anon send me a ?teleport ? Thanks.

>>161720352
This was me like a year or more ago, I'm just here to see what's up.

Have fun with whatever, anon.
>>161720868
They really are. At this point I would take the devils' team approach and just ax them.

>>161731972
what have YOU been having fun with for the past year, anon?

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Added bit more lore-stuff, monster auras tell the damage dice.

>>161731764
You could always heal up and jump in the chasm if things look really bad.

>>161730758
Maybe a bit late, but a Mastery with Conjuration isn't the best of ideas I feel. You will wake packs of things you really don't want awake.
>>161732119
Not much in the way of videogames. Currently playing the Stalker games, and really enjoying it.

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>>161731061
FAULT

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>>161732314
>Win or Mastery
I decided to save and take a break while I thought about it.
Then I loaded up my save
>Playback out of sync
I guess that's it.

>>161732590
Oh that fucking sucks, RIP

What's the best roguelike I can play with a controller?

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I found a thing in Cata and it makes me wonder... how does one control those goddamn turrets? It's functional. I can aim and it tells me which guns are in range but I can't shoot. Do I need like some fancy high electronics parts to control the turrets?

I really want to make mammoth tank from RA2

>>161732156
I had no idea player auras were more damaging than monster ones per hit.

>>161732672
That's probably because monsters have maximum of four attacks, while player can have many more and usually has less hp than some tougher monsters.

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>>161731764
Beor strong

>>161732246
Yeah thats plan B if the trolls or giants hit me too hard, but I have a decent stock of orcish liquor so I'll probably survive if the RNG stays on my side

>>161732156
make sure to add a few misspellings or typos. Its not TRUE and HONEST PCB unless simple words like "world" are misspelled.

>>161729807
Pakellas is gone in the current build dude. I'm playing him right now in .18--the only build he existed in--and while yeah, it requires piety, it's like 2 piety. You have to seriously spam it to start losing *s, and honestly you don't loose too much from temporarily going from 6 to 5.

is it possible to maybe overvalue forging in sil?

>>161735707
>overvalue
what do you mean? you mean difficulty? If so theres a late forging ability that lets you produce items over your difficulty level but everytime you do so you lose skill in forging.

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It seems like this spell shouldn't be so awful to use.

What's good about Sil?

From what I've seen of a couple runs it seems to stand in an uncomfortable middle ground between streamlined, tactical roguelikes (Brogue, IA, original Rogue) and massive, complex ones (the vast majority of *hacks and *bands). But I might have been too quick to judge it.

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>>161735707
am not understand question

forging is underpowered due to the nerfed forge generation rate, but it's fun if you manage to get it off the ground

don't expect to become a hypernigger though

>>161736954
>From what I've seen of a couple runs

stop watching vods like a sheep and play the game yourself

>>161736954
Sil is basically all the band problems (boring early game, skipping over half the game to grind endlessly as deep as you can) with none of the fun parts (getting cool loot for doing so).

It's clearly designed for math nerds who want to plot out every last experience point and smithing doodad before starting the game.

>>161739008

Sil doesn't have grind. What are you talking about?

>>161737828
>stop watching vods like a sheep and play the game yourself
I have no idea what a vod is, by "From what I've seen of a couple runs" I mean runs I've played.

So far the thing I dislike most about it its fuckhuge map full of empty rooms. Stealth is really fun, though.

>>161739131
You want to clear 950' as many times as you can before you're forced down, because it has the best items.

So exactly how vanilla works, except there nothing forces you on.

>>161718269
your autistic rants about DDA scare the living shit out of me every single day.

>Sing which song?

>>161739527
>You want to clear 950' as many times as you can before you're forced down

so, like, 2 times?

>>161731061
>troll with a morningstar
>TROLL
>WITH A MORNINGSTAR

>>161739614
I wanna fuck that porcupine.

>>161740164
>You begin singing a song of fury and dread.

>When you find Ijib's with an enchanted +8 club so you can inscribe it with "Ijib's Hard Wood"

It's the little things.

>>161740478
>play As
>he has a +7 club
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>roguelikes with character creation beyond race/class/name

why even bother
shit's so tedious when you know you're just gonna die in a couple hours and need to do all that shit over again

>>161740478
Ijyb is a girl.

So is Grinder.

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>>161741282
Yes, and?

>>161741282
And Aizul

>>161741398
>Iyjb pummels you with her rack!

>>161741050
hey caves of qud is great

incursion character generator is potentially neat too, probably a million times better when you have an idea of what all the feats do and what you want and don't have to read all of them

>>161742179
"Great" is too strong of a word.

It is a roguelike, meaning it's at best just OK.
Or more like, fun. Because Qud is shit and not a real roguelike, and thus is not allowed to be good.

Fun, but shit.

>>161742396
when people say things like [x] is not a real roguelike what do they mean?

>>161720352
>no other roguelike is real
well cdda isn't real but it isn't a roguelike either

play:
-qud
-incursion
-doomrl (RIP)
-PRIME
-IVAN
-Frozen Depths

>>161742505
They mean to bait you, don't reply to them.

>>161742505
That it isn't brogue, ia or sil.

Real roguelikes must be (((tightly designed))) and have (((interesting tactical situations))).

If it is fun, then it can't be a real roguelike and must be shit.

>>161742553
>cdda isn't a roguelike
oh boy here we go again

>>161724573
seriously, the Crawl mechanic with a random percent chance to resist is really shitty

in nethack or angband you know whether you're gonna get paralysed or not by whether you have FrAct, but even without a "paralysis immunity" property their earlygame paralysis is better than crawls

instead of shit that just rngs on you whenever you're in vision range, most early paralysers in *bands are melee-only (but 100% chance if they DO hit you) so you know in a given situation whether you will or will not get paralysed

getting frozen through 99% MR at the edge of los is a fucked up mechanic. it would be better if they just took MR out and gave paralysers mechanics similar to the crawl giant eyeball's "unresistable para but only if you stay in LOS for X turns".

>when you bring a chainmail handaxe orc warrior from D:7 to D:1 because the only place in the dungeon with water is around the entrance and you don't wanna park him but he's too strong to try to kill on land
>and you still die

>>161742862
I like how the ((())) have been completely severed from the original meaning.

>>161742862
It's not. That's fine, though. I think we should be more open to roguelikelikes, or roguelights, in the thread.

>>161743096
>when you kite a speed 10 enemy up 6 floors instead of just ditching it and going >

>>161743085
Yeah and this shitty fucking RNG damage is bullshit too

They roll fucking dice, what is this a casino

I just wanna do the same damage every hit

Same with accuracy, none of this rolling bullshit

either you hit or you don't

:^)

>>161743205
>skipping free xp

Literally hitler.

>>161743173
(((You)))

>>161742505
usually when people say something is notaroguelike they are just memeing about a game they dont like
it's particularly effective if said game has tiles or is sold for real money dollars, which are both uncommon properties among traditional roguelikes

when i say cdda isn't a roguelike it's because it doesn't have remotely dungeon crawly gameplay. it doesn't play "like rogue", aside from having ascii graphics etc

basically people accept cdda as a roguelike but say e.g. shiren or poke man dungeon isn't because of surface-level stuff like graphics/ascii, whereas if you look inside at the core of the gameplay it's the other way around

>>161743340
>>>/pol/

>>161729807
it cost piety the entire time he existed anon

the piety cost was never high enough to be noticeable even on a DD using pak as his only source of hp

>>161743723
Shouldn't "literally hitler" be a compliment on /pol/?

>>161743584
>it doesn't have remotely dungeon crawly gameplay
Has a big load of downtime, but the "action" part of the game is pretty roguelike.

>>161743908
you could say that about elona, but cdda?
not really
i mean you can move with hjklyubn and bump shit i guess
but it misses the sort of fundamental aspect of exploring + descending an unfamiliar dungeon, particularly one with actual loot in it. maybe labs satisfy that but that's it

>>161744163
CDDA cities work as dungeons just fine. Loot is concentrated in areas with guns, military or labs, with rest getting mostly the common stuff.

>>161744163
The whole map in CDDA is literally a random dungeon, but on one single layer.
And there are actual dungeons there too, like labs and mines, for example.

>>161736939
thinkin' about an enchantment buff, especially since the scrolls are so rare and so uselessly shitty

idear: ?enchant or minor enchant spell instantly enchants items up to the normal max of 2+level/5 like the town service, no fail chance
?*enchant* or the higher-level enchant spell brings it to the max from minor enchant, then adds +1,+1 to items up to the absolute enchantment max of +15

so for a level 50 char a single ?enchant would always take things to +12, or three ?*enchant* to get to +15

or maybe ?*enchant* always brings things to a minimum of +13 regardless of level. hmmm...

this change couldn't really be super OP because the guaranteed ?enchant is still no better than using the town enchanter service (just cheaper).
maybe would have to nerf it on arrows, but then again ?enchant is still really rare for how shitty and useless it is currently

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Its almost here lads. In 8 days we will experience a Demon renaissance and all those crawl cancer posters will disappear. First Relic Wraiths and now expanding the tower, how can Crawl even compete???

>>161744802
>how can Crawl even compete???
With numbers

Plus, relic wraiths sound like a big gimmick rather than an important part of the game.

>>161744802
>how can Crawl even compete???
By not having tiles that want to make me gouge my eyes out.
By being more fun.
By having an actual good game mechanic.

>>161743584
I thought Pokemon Mystery Dungeon was a roguelike.

Anyway, Cataclysm falls to the same genre with Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode. I'd call it a "sandbox roguelike". You're fighting monsters in a randomly generated environment, but instead of trying to get to the bottom of the dungeon, you're just fucking around.

>>161744802
>content heavy

what a lewd phrase

years of DCSS have made the nerves of my glans extra sensitive to even the slightest dollop of content

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>xp drain

why the fuck its a thing in a roguelike full of grinding

>get hit once by xp drainer
>have fun recalling or not gaining xp for the rest of the dungeon or wasting a equipment slot for potions

is there a vendor that restores life levels?

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Poor lil Balrog boi

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>>161744802
>new Demon release

>>161746954
rip in piss

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>>161747026
>expand tower

>>161746464
>anything mystery dungeon
>roguelike

You're actually right, but /rlg/ is probably going to lynch you regardless.

>>161743584
The best definition of roguelike is the following:
>turn-based
>RPG
>controlling a single character exclusively

Anything that doesn't meet these criteria can be immediately dismissed as not roguelike. Anything that does meed them is arguably is a roguelike. Everything else (setting, story, objectives, UI, etc) are too subjective to be accurate. Berlin Definition is shit.

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>tfw you play as a vortex and can wear 6 body armors at once

mmm resists are so ez to get

Light and Day is possibly the silliest ego on a mirror shield though. I wish the resists would stack so you could get +2 light resist from it.

>>161746818
the 4 shop sells !restorelifelevels
just stick like 3 in your home

>>161748004
>controlling a single character exclusively
That needs a lot of clarification.

For example, Demon allows only one directly controlled character, but a whole team in total.
Many (most?) roguelikes have allies in some form and most of those allow some commands (which are a form of control).

Control one character per game turn? Chess would fulfill that, so not restrictive enough.
One character per game turn while all others move according to some AI?

>>161748004
Are Fallout 1 and 2 roguelikes then?
This is kind of a shitty definition desu.

>the roguelite faggots have returned and feel like they have enough people to justify shitting up rlg again
MAKE
YOUR
OWN
GENERAL

>>161748487
Unless this has been changed, you only directly control the player character don't you? You build your demons, but they only act autonomously.

I've also accounted for cases like PCB's Possessor or ToME's Alchemist, since you control corpses/the golem through your character.

Your chess argument is reaching. You control all your pieces at every point in time, you arguably control every piece at any given point in time, you just only get to move one per turn. It's also moot because it's obviously not an RPG.

>>161748487
Direct control is different from commands.

It's the difference in real life between having a slave and being both the slave and the master.

The slave may have no original thoughts of its own, but it's not you.

>>161749134
WE'RE GONNA BUILD A WALL
AND MAKE /lite/ PAY FOR IT

Lets just stick with a basic definition of:
>turn based
>permadeath
>randomly generated levels
and stop being autistic about it.

>>161748886
Fallout 1 and 2 aren't turn-based. What are you talking about?

In theory, is it worth tossing 10 or so levels into Necromancy if the only reason you'll use it is a demon whip of pain?

>>161749134
FTL is a roguelike

>>161749484
>in theory
Nothing stopping you. But if your killdudes is good enough already, I'd say no. Unless you're going to cast necromancy spells as well, it's fairly pointless.

>>161749258
>I've also accounted for cases like PCB's Possessor or ToME's Alchemist, since you control corpses/the golem through your character.
ToME alchemist could easily be argued to control two characters.
You only control one of them at once, but two in total.

>>161749134
Didn't there use to be a roguelite general? I'm pretty sure it existed and then died because only like 20 people in the world like roguelites.

>>161749424
If we're to have "holy trinity" of roguelike markers, I'd drop permadeath and try to cram in that "only one character at a time" thing in.
Otherwise something like final fantasy tactics with permadeath and random levels would still count.

Permadeath is important in the end, but everything that is close to being a roguelike already has permadeath anyway.

>>161749983
Precisely as you describe it. lites aren't engaging enough to warrant a general of its own, so they latch onto us and constantly try to inject non-roguelikes. Shit's been going on ever since they realized /lite/ would die for days at a time.

>>161749571
FTL and every other not-roguelike isn't one because it doesn't meet >>161748004.

It's precisely because of the retarded fucking redditors who came up with and use the Berlin Definition deciding that turn-based gameplay is as relevant to defining the genre as procedural generation, permadeath, and fucking consumables that you have idiots who think Rogue Legacy and it's ilk can be even remotely argued as a roguelike.

>>161749983
Probably because most of them have generals already.

>>161746954
>Full
How fitting!

>>161750140
>not a roguelike

>because I said so

>>161750107
I think FFT fits better than something without permadeath.

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I liked it more when shitposting was just about pedophiles loving stomachs of children.
At least it was light-hearted shitposting, not "REAL ROGUELIKES ONLY AND YOU ARE ALL RETARDS FOR DISAGREEING" shitposting.

Have a kot.

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>he thinks Cataclysm: The Dark Days Ahead is a roguelike
oh i am laffing

>>161750457
I like FFT, but it'd be intellectually dishonest to try and advertise it as a roguelike or even has roguelike elements.

That's what people have such an issue with. People being intellectually dishonest and trying to shoehorn shit into places they obviously don't belong.

>>161748004
"roguelike" is a genre of games, and game genres are generally based on gameplay, of course

i think the best way to determine whether something is a roguelike, instead of coming up with dumb checklists, is to just ask whether its gameplay is subjectively similar to other games in the roguelike genre

a "definition" like that is perfectly fine for casual usage as long as you ain't trying to write it into any contracts or laws

>>161750107
Honestly, "one character at a time" is just too minor to be considered a pillar or a genre. I would say Berlin definition already explains it quite well.

>>161750484
get the fuck out. Tummy and pedo posters were pure cancer, glad to see them finally dying out.

i think the real issue is making up a set of rules that define roguelike instead of looking at a game and determining if it's a roguelike or not

>>161750687
And I welcome the inclusion of roguelites. More game discussion is always good.

>>161750717
Both have the same problem, which is there's no real authoritative definition so it's always kind of up to the individual's decision.

>>161750717
Wouldn't need a definition if people weren't constantly arguing against marketers trying to legitimize their bullshit to a niche audience that can tell the difference.

Because they want to use the niche definition to advertise to non-niche people.

>>161750717
yup exactly >>161750603

the problem with subjective definitions like that is they don't provide enough material to sperg out about in rlg

>>161750749
[goes into yu-gi-oh general]
hey guys theres not really a lot of discussion here you guys wanna talk about pokemon too?

>>161750543
At this point I would rather it be considered "not quite a roguelike", like Dwarf Fortress and have it's own general to be saved from all the local shitposting. Too bad it's playerbase is too small for this at this moment, maybe after 0.D will come out, who knows.

>>161750835
>everyone who likes something I don't is a marketer shill

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>>161750749
>more discussion is good
>more topics
>oh, by the way, lets discuss non-roguelikes
>but it's roguelike general
>my friends and I want to discuss non-roguelikes and we outnumber you
Ultimately, we'll just abandon this shell game of bullshit and form a new general with an even more militant opposition to thousand cuts bullshit.

>>161750934
DF adventure mode is literally a roguelike. Fort mode, obviously not.

>>161750484
Dude, the arguing over what is and what is not a roguelike has been around for much longer.

A shitpost is still a shitpost, and the "tummy" posts aren't even funny.

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The next virtual soccer match for /rlg/ in /vg/ Lague 7 starts pretty soon (within the 30 minutes or so).
You can watch it at the hitbox you can find at this link's home page.
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Main_Page

Other links and info!
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_7

We are playing /domg/ (Dominions General). Please come out and watch. Thanks for all your support.

>>161750987
>unironically sharing that stupid fucking image

Holy christ, please. Go back to /v/, or better yet, /r9k/, where you can bitch about Chads and Stacys with their notaroguelikes in peace.

>>161750982
No, everyone that disagrees on behalf of a marketing shill without actually being a marketing shill is just an idiot. A useful one.

>>161751040
The virtual soccer thing is fucking stupid. It keeps popping up in places unrelated to virtual soccer. I'm convinced the whole point of the fifa generals is to adopt other boards/generals that have no interest in virtual soccer.

>>161749914
Controlling the golem is defined within the game and the role-playing as your alchemist controlling the golem. You can't ever control both in the same turn, and I'm pretty sure the alchemist isn't even capable of moving while you're directly moving the golem (while the golem moves autonomously while you play the alchemist). Not to mention the golem itself and everything it can do is defined within the alchemist's own skill tree, it's ultimately just an extension of the player character (the one you create and name when starting the run).

If the golem were just a recruitable follower you could control while the player character acts automatically, or if you could control two different characters in a single turn, that would raise a red flag.

>>161751193
Your autism is fucking stupid.

>>161751193
>fifa

>>161751165
I'm not going to bother changing the verbage. If you can't empathize with the situation because it says dudebro/chad/stacy, you're a dumbass or intentionally dense.

>>161751193
i may be slightly autistic but i pretend real people are playing instead of ai and it makes it a lot more fun to watch

>>161750107
The problem is that permadeath is poorly defined by default. Making you start over from the beginning for being too bad at the game is not something remotely exclusive to Roguelikes. Every Shmup is about as "permadeath" as Rogue.

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>/rlg/

>>161751434
i've stopped by occasionally for the past 3 years, these threads were always 75% garbage

>>161751368
No, I can't, because the concept is fucking stupid. It's whining about having to deal with new people with new perspectives because autists can't handle change. The old stuff doesn't go away, but they're mad about people having fun the wrong way.

>>161750670
Berlin Definition doesn't set any absolute requirements, in other words it directly suggests that non-turn-based roguelikes can exist. It's trash.

>>161751040
I support this, looks cool. I'll watch it when i finish jerking off

>>161751368
Only a fucking autist can empathize with this.

>people getting this mad at a classic roguelike definition argument
I bet you fags weren't even around for Whales Cata.

>>161751549
Maybe because there are literally none absolute requirements because all of them are subjective and relative anyway.

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>>161751571
>Only a fucking autist
>/rlg/
I'm pretty sure being here in the first place is pretty much proof of autism.

>>161751520
>No, I can't

>>161751571
>only an autist would understand

Case in point. Get the fuck out. Be intentionally dense elsewhere.

>>161751418
If you accumulate resources between characters, it's not permadeath. In rogue, you start from the start, brand new, every time. The only thing that accumulates are player ghosts intent on making the game even harder because it existing provides a mild counterpoint to you learning more about that game.

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>>161751571
>Only a fucking autist can empathize with this

>>161751252
>Controlling the golem is defined within the game and the role-playing as your alchemist controlling the golem.
Role playing can't really define genres.

>the alchemist isn't even capable of moving while you're directly moving the golem
He can blast niggas with staff.

>Not to mention the golem itself and everything it can do is defined within the alchemist's own skill tree, it's ultimately just an extension of the player character (the one you create and name when starting the run).
But it's still important to define why does that "not count" as breaking roguelike rules, yet final fantast tactics or chess count.

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>>161751725
I played whales cata. It's pretty amazing how much it's changed since then. DDA was actually pretty cool early on, i could;n' say the exact moment it became too autistic to be playable or fun, but it had it's glory days.

>>161751725
i was, this general was still arguing about what was/wasn't a roguelike, even then

is CDDA any better than Whales? signs point to no. i dropped Cataclysm before it even came out.

>>161751040
where's /agdg/ you faggot

>>161751940
>is dda better than whales?
They're too different at this point to really compare them, honestly.

I think whales had an entirely different goal from what dda is. But dda has more content by far.

>>161728332
you don't actually do this
have a (you) though

>>161751727
Turn-based vs real time can't even be considered remotely as subjective as "Complexity".

>>161752057
>But dda has more content by far.
oh boy. "content" as in new/unique mechanics or hundreds of different types of assault rifles and slightly different mutations?

i played whales' right after vehicles were moved into the main game (they were a mod?), i know NPCs were unusable and most people turned them off

>>161752181
>"content"
Could you not be an insufferable semantic faggot for a minute?

World of Warcraft has more content than Elder Scrolls Online or anything that came following WoW. Whether you think it's worthwhile content or not is irrelevant. Someone will and that's good enough for them.

>>161752181
NPCs are one of the things that certainly improved in DDA.

>>161751734
>>161751786
>>161751838
There is a difference in being an "autist" and being actually mentally challenged with an attitude of "hurr normies do stuff that I like, it's not cool anymore so I stop enjoying it, reeeeee"

>>161752328
Yea, the difference is you're so autistic, you can't empathize with other people. You were not taught in school how to deal with ingroups and outgroups.

Meanwhile us high functioning autists just want to move our little at symbols and have you fuck off to move our little at symbols and bump them into capital D symbols in peace.

>>161752304
>t. SLEX developer

>>161751786
There are very few games that don't actually meet that criteria, since the variance is typically placed on how difficult it is to be forced to make a new start rather than whether you're forced to do so at all.

Elona for example has permadeath, it's just the conditions for permadeath in Elona are very difficult to meet. Meanwhile you get a lot of conflict because people tend to assume permadeath specifically means a game-over screen if you reach 0 HP, which isn't even necessarily the case in Nethack.

>>161751940
Wasn't dda created because whales cataclysm was seemingly actually dead and buggy?

I remember having to get bugfixed forks of cataclysm, at least.

>>161739884
pacifist edain divers spend most of their time on 950'

>>161752587
I've never played Elona. Way to weeaboo for me. No idea what it's like.

>>161752582
I don't know what SLEX is.

>>161752646
well don't play a gimp and it's not an issue

ARTIFICERS BEST PLAYSTYLE

AND PAKELLAS BEST GOD

I swear to christ if they don't bring him back I'll learn how to program just to make a fucking BLOATfork

resurrect mountain dorfs

>>161751940
I had more fun judoing zombies to death in Cata and struggling to survive through a fucking flu than I ever did in DDA. Directionless aggregated mod projects never end well.

>>161752629
The final state of whale dda was an extremely buggy mess, yes. But it'd be wrong to say DDA isn't also an extremely buggy mess.

>>161752672
>I don't know what SLEX is.
please lurk more before posting. thanks

>>161752457
>us high functioning autists
>high functioning
From your posts I highly doubt so. If you lack a capacity to understand how retarded your position is, I can't help you either. I can only feel pity for your autistic pseudo-problems.