/rlg/ - Roguelike General

first for chei

>>161561826
10 out of 10 rlg posters will misgender these guards.

>>161561971
>chei
>first
>>>/out/

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New poschengband release: http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=8133

Time to play a vortex

>>161562002
Then I must be the 0th /rlg/ poster, because I will address them as "they", thus pissing off the /pol/tard crowd.

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repostan

Guess I'm wearing heavy armor with this lil dude

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>>161562602
Mummies are technically vegans
Not sure how to approach this one

>>161563210
semen is a vegetable

>>161563210
tons of animal products are used in mummification

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Man, Tonberry berserkers. Never again, despite bagging things like Nyarlathotep and Poseidon.

>>161562974
Fuck, I guess I'll have to merge...

>>161562974
>http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=8133
rev up those dcks because I am about to What a noble sacrifice!

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There's an actual point buy instead of that dumb roller. Not sure if those were the desired stats of my last 5.0.2 character or it tries to give you intelligent ones or what.

>>161563210
kys you'reself

>>161564641
>female
(feminine whirling noises)

>>161564262
oh jeebus

>>161564641
yes finally! folks were campaigning for that change for a while, because it really did confuse new players every single time, and the autoroller was annoying to use even when one knew how

>>161562602
TUMMY

MUMMY

I'm gonna pinch your tummy vegan-chan!

>>161561826
Update the news when you make a new thread please /rlg/!
DevNull is over and nobody here cares because no one plays nethack here.

>>161564641
Finally.
According to Chris it does give a selection of stats off the bat based on your race/role.

>>161561826
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11771201/r
>four (4 [22]) hosers
Wew.

>>161564641
>>161565290
Since the roller is gone, any chance of being able to choose your starting stat limits as well? The ones that are set up at the start of the game from 18/70 to 18/130 and you can only see those if you drink a potion of self knowledge. I'm getting real tired of drinking new life potions etc since I get 18/130 INT and WIS on warriors and since the stat limits balance themselves, 6 points are lost from the other 4 stats, meaning I could for example get a 18/70 on STR and CON and lose 6 points on both because a fuck you invisible roll at the start of the game and I have no way of knowing that until I find a potion of self knowledge. Please remove this shit.

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>>161566513
>poland no longer tied for place 2
Another terrible defeat
But we're used to that

>>161565290
Yeah. No teles, surrounded by unmakers, constantly confused. Fun stuff.

>>161566674
Just removing internal stat caps and life rating entirely (i.e. setting them to 28/28/28/28/28/28/105 for all characters) would be better.

>ordinary vortex starts the game with 25% fail on a teleport scroll
That is impressively bad.

>>161568605
That's what happens when you have three (3) int.

friendly reminder that gastronok is the last of his kind and will die alone and a virgin

>>161570869
>his
Can't xe just impregnate xirself?

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>>161566679
it's neck and neck now

>>161570869
he's too intelligent for a gf

>>161563162
did they change that tile

it looks way too skinny for how swole a character has to be to actually wear it

>>161568539
that would be above average

i might add an option to have everything at default but it would be 100% life and 18/100 (twenty eight) max stats

>>161566674
if it's just 1-2 stats with shitty caps you can generally get them to 220 with items anyways

i prioritize a high liferating over good max stats, even con, since you can make up for low max con with one +3con item but you can't make up for low liferating

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some survey posted on the roguelike reddit
disgusting

whoops posted this in the old thread at first

>>161572232
Who the fuck plays roguelikes 10+ hours per day?

>>161572494

Probably those winscummers during the tournament

>>161563210
This isn't even a forced meme
is something below
It's a nuisance

>>161564641
So the same thing elliposchengband and pseudo have had since 5.0 or is it any different?

>>161572915
That's rich coming from a subhuman pedophile

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>>161572494
I once played Elona+ for 12+ hours per day for a month.

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>>161562974
>I added an auto_target option. Use this with use_old_target for best effect. Every offensive spell or device will automatically target the nearest monster if there is not a valid target already specified

I think I came.

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>>161572494

>>161573307

Nah.
I mean... I have, sure. Multiple times.
But it's not a thing I do on a daily basis.

>>161573030
well it has a much prettier UI than the autoroller

>>161573407
I guess.
I'll wait for pseudo to update to 0.3 so I can try a vortex.

>>161572494
You don't play roguelikes 10+ hours per day?
What do you even do with all that time?

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>>161565905
>>161573071

Found you! Peeeeeeeeeeench~

eyo boys i got a question

I have a better question.

And I have answers

I've got answers that lead to more questions.

eyo but

Reminder not to trust answers and rumors that don't come from The Oracle.

"They say that maintaining vegan conduct is good for your tummy"

If you have a win, I will give you a win. If you have no win, I will take it from you.

>>161568605
Try a jelly, my man.

unnamed PCB changes:

levels for items that are just sitting on the ground around the level were nerfed
vaults and item drops unaffected

>>161577835
whyyyyy
why does he hate finding non-garbage
already autodestroy hundreds of millions of gp of garbage

>>161577835
>levels for items that are just sitting on the ground around the level were nerfed
You mean that just finding shit on the floor was nerfed?
No more andorids getting 20 levels from that [excellent] robe?
Fuck that.

>>161577835
Are you trying to meme me or is this stuffed in some unrelated commit, because I don't see any that say that

faulted like a retard to something I really should not have faulted to

otab is a harsh god

>>161579525
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/commit/2436b47eecbae51047d39737a89e30d4110d4952

>>161579525
it won't affect super earlygame stuff like that.

shit over level 30 is basically just reduced by 1d(level-30)/2

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>D:6 hill giant

>>161580349
evoke feet

what's with the tentacle monster form

>>161571518
Average life rating is not actually 100%. I believe it is 103%

>>161564641
So you'll gain points by increasing negative pts stats

>>161576950
350 years later and I still don't know what he meant by this.

>>161573307
I don't even play roguelikes anymore my man

>>161581273
He's deliberately fucking with the monks to weed out all the flaws in their worldview.

>>161581273
Taking someone's "no win" away means they'll be left with a win

>>161572494
Yermak.

>>161581550
Ah, so "it" calls "no staff", not "staff"?

>_You are too injured to fight recklessly!!! (x5+)
>complaining about the spawn instead of the otab

>>161581792
"no staff" can't be taken away though.

>>161580618
it's Citugovi's Cuddler
it fits the name

>>161581792
Considering poschengband has bo staffs and jo staffs, it seems plausible that there existed a no staff at some point.

>>161581959
Anon, that was a joke mumo
have you seen that AC
I was wearing leather
I'm trying to see how far I can go down D with all the MuMo restrictions but the armor one
Of course I'd be tabbing a D:6 hill giant while wearing the ring mail of shame
I'm just saying that it's super ood

>>161582328
definitely has no-dachi, even further supporting this argument

>>161582328
>!staves

>>161581792
>#name
>Call a spade: not spade

If It gets charge drained, can you even say that it's still a staff?

>>161582154
Well duh, it is some zen bullshit though.

>tfw pcb doesn't support human fremen atreides ghoala zensunni monk mentat captain bene gesserit kwisatz haderach character

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>be naga
>die
really makes you think...

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>>161584049
>tfw no dune roguelike

>>161584246
Qud is pseudo-dune enough.
Not exactly dune, but only faggots (not fags - those are cool) care about flavor so much they can't deal with Qud flavor not being an exact clone.

>>161584395
>Qud is pseudo-dune enough.
Too blue.

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Aaaah what is this? Spoil me!

>>161584503
>it's the first of december already
man, I almost forgot.

It's an advent calendar. There's 25 doors. Every day you open a door, from the top left corner. There's nothing useful until you get to december 25th.

>crawl bleeding into a cathedral desperately trying to kill a zombie hulk before it punches my head clean off
What was the most dramatic way you've died, in any game?

How do I stop losing so badly at shattered pixel dungeon?

>>161586328
git gud

>>161573501
just for you anon <3

https://github.com/GenericPseudonym/pseudoelliposchengband/releases/tag/v5.0.3-pseudo

Actually mostly for me. I want to play a vortex too!

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>>161587080
Aw yiss
muta-fucking pseudo

>>161573307
>swastika pillardancing
w-what did he mean by this

>get a random char every time I start
>have to change all the parameters

That's kind of annoying compared to a blank charsheet.

>>161588259
that's what i keep saying about my hoes

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>vortices move erratically

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You guys think this might be the urn? I also found a captains cutlass, should I start to focus short blades and swap out the flail?

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How to vortex: find a bunch of artifact body armor while clearing the icky caves and wear all of them

>>161589243
The jelly experience

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instead of opening doors vortexes just smash through them

nice

>>161585053
a turret on my deathmobile shot towards one of my heavy duty hatches which had a mininuke in it, causing it to detonate and instantly kill me and created a huge ball of hellfire

>level 50 vortex form just breathes random stuff for 1/4th of your HP
>which is around 200
Wow, so not only it's a bad offense but it can also be easily resisted!

>>161587331
Spaniards were actually nazis and helped Hitler and some other high level nazis escape to Argentina

>>161588760
>tfw no tf2 roguelike

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>"legendary" skill level has been substituted with "amber"
That fits the books I guess? I've never read them.

>>161572232
>More than classic roguelikes
>61.8%
Fucking casuals

>>161590995
it doesn't really fit the books

it was just because "legendary" was too many characters

>>161592637
>legendary
>excellent
They are both 9 (3 x 3) characters
what the heck

>>161592813
but
>legendary[17]
is 4 characters longer

>>161592952
but legendary[3] is only 33% longer

Can certain monster races get mutated in PCB? Playing a xorn at the moment.

>>161593998
No, only if you're uncertain.

>>161593998
pretty sure anything can mutate
but there's a difference between gaining random mutations and actually polymorphing to a different race. I don't think monsters can do the second bit

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>some guy on the DCSS forum says casters are underpowered compared to melee

FUCK

ME

>>161594218
No, see, that kind of joke is only funny if the answer is clearly available: It's a way of making fun of newfriends who don't have the brain cells to look at, say, the crawl or elona wiki before asking questions. However, because *bandgeeks aren't capable of documenting even the simplest datum regarding character classes (who knew sorcerer spellpower was based on charisma? It's not as if it's explicated anywhere!) that sort of joke lacks effectiveness.

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>>161561971

>not posting this 290 replies in

Faggot, I hope you know you're in penance right now

>>161594797
do you even know what a mibe is

what mineral occurrence rate should i use in my df world

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>>161595421

Faceroll mode.

But that crazy ass nigger actually implied that that casters were INFERIOR.

>>161595885
>mibe is so easy that you can just roll your face on the keyboard and still win
>but somehow isn't easier than casters

>>161594797
It's true though. Spellcasters are not only weaker but also horrible to play.

>>161596167

spellcasters are horrible bec. ur horrible LOL

>>161587080
Thanks mate.

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>>161596157

Maybe if you three rune that shit. Being just a fighter is retarded. Once you get your spells online, the game gets significantly easier.

The current record holder for turns is a DEcj anyways.

>>161597378
and most of the record holders before that were melee

what's the sil meme-tier weapon?

What game is that in OP?

>>161599267
Calris is kind of memetic, I guess.

>>161599379
cataclysm using one of the isometric tilesets

>>161599267
stealth

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apparently vortices' melee is 100% elemental instead of being branded physical damage

i feel like this would cause problems later in the game

>>161599486
Thanks.

Doing some Pak runs and holy shit, he's fun.

About supercharge: what's the best use for it? Rod of clouds? Explosive bolt?

>>161599769
literally anything

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What would the ideal rouge-like that everyone on /rlg/ would like?
What features and characteristics would you want to see in it?

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hey /rlg/ how is your day & run going

>>161599638
Once you evolve out of the elemental ones it isn't as bad.

I really hope there isn't a nether one, though.

>>161600495
PCB's compelling race selection (rings, dragons, possessors), spell composition that lets you do actual cool stuff, less focus on murder in favor of exploration//item acquirement/fame

and LOTS of autismal building/environment design

>>161600989
One of the later options is chaos vortex, so you can enjoy polymorphing everything you try to fight and being helpless against tons of tough uniques.

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>>161600495
something like cdda but multiplayer with non-shitty turnbased mechanics or no turnbased at all but still based on tiles

i just want a multiplayer traditional roguelike

https://twitter.com/epyoncf/status/804482084702187520

Reminder that Zenimax are the devil

>>161602176
copyright law is literal human feces

>>161602176
Shitty but not the least bit surprising.

>>161602176
So, can they just call it something else and someone makes a mod to turn everything back to DOOM style?

>>161602176
lmao good
shit roguelike gets shit on

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>>161602772

>>161602772
it's a better roguelike than crawl

and not only is it better than cdda, it's also actually like rogue

>>161584395
>only faggots care about faithful recreations
I'd like a dune roguelike that has all the trappings, even the stupid ones of the dune mythos.

I also regularly enjoy putting my penis in baginas. Some of the baginas like it too.

>>161602176
Why did Joel have to stream it?

>>161602176
This is probably only happening because he launched a kickstarter and specifically marketed it as being for a game that was the spiritual successor to DoomRL.

I doubt Zenimax gave a fuck until they found out he was trying to make cash off the association.

How do you make cataclysm dda fun

>>161604519
If you don't enjoy mindless hoarding and hours and hours of menu management and crafting tables, you can't make it fun.

>>161604586
I do, the first day or so is almost always fun. But if you make it to day 2 you're already more powerful than anything the game can throw to you so what's the point

>>161602176
>rename it DOOOM

ZionMax BTFO

>>161604707
>too strong before second day
Nigger, I've been getting hulks and masters strolling through my base camp once a week.

>>161605047
>day 1
>find police car with shotgun
You can now defeat hulks and masters

>>161604740
Or DomRL with those two little dots over the o they use in scandinavian caliphates.

>>161605097
Hey, great. Don't play then.

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Wow, instagibbed by a death sword.

Are the power of death swords dependant on whatever weapon they are? It mightve been an artifact.

Should've hasted, but I thought id be fine if I went in with full health each time.

>>161605161
But I want to make it enjoyable so badly, there's no other game that has my desired level of autism. I just wish it had shit to do

>>161602176
Isn't he European?
Zenimax is an American company. I don't think they can actually do anything.

>>161605351
It doesn't get anymore fun. Just don't play.

>>161605312
the death swords always have the same damage, it's not dependent on their drop

but you are in a level 25 quest as a level 16 character with only 32 ac against high-damage melee enemies

>>161605784
I generally do death swords super early for the good weapon drops. It generally works out, but disasters like that happen.

>the death swords always have the same damage, it's not dependent on their drop
Ah, weird. Always thought they did.

>>161605312
you totally weren't instagibbed, there are at least two of your turns in there

you were just tabbin' too hard

>>161605351
You have to make your own fun. If you're a min-maxing autist without any willpower then you fuck off and play DCSS

I'm new to roguelikes and dcss, can someone explain to me what the attack field means on dcss wiki. For example ogre is 17 yet in wiki it says they deal "20-30 damage" on the same page. http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Ogre_(monster)

>>161607383
Your first lesson is that you should never take the wiki's as fact. Just 'suggestions'.

>>161607471
Still, I have 0 experience or knowledge of the monsters in the game. It's better than nothing, however having a good idea of what kind of damage an enemy I encounter can deal would be nice, but I don't understand what that attack column means, obviously they don't deal a constant dmg, there is some dice roll that happens. Any help would be appreciated.

>>161607383
the monster's attack is added to the damage stat from its weapon

ogres often carry Giant Spiked Clubs which deal 22 damage, leading to a max possible damage of 39

but also the wiki is shitty and very often out of date because the owners have the retarded policy of not allowing anonymous edits and not letting people create accounts

>>161607597
All you should grasp from that page is what an ogre is, and that it hits kinda hard. The actual damage rolls will be irrelevant to you at this point.

For now, just understand that they can gib you if you're not wearing armor and are a smaller race.

>>161607893
>anon thinks anyone knows what he's talking about.

>>161607750
ok, so attack is a dice roll? So enemies with weapons is weapon base dmg + attack roll. And if the enemy is like a dragon with a claw attack of 15, it would just be a d15 roll period for damage then?

>>161607954
I accidentally posted in the wrong thread.

:)

>>161608020
actually the base damage is a dice roll too

a monster with 5 base damage and a 6 damage weapon does either d11 damage or d5+d6, i don't remember which

>>161608020
Depends on the enemy. Again, don't worry about it so much. Just play the game.

>Dive to skim for mad xp
>Continue to make poro decisions
>Dead with a +12 branded sling, +6 str regen amulet, and a +3 relec +2 slay meme mail, rod of inaccuracy and a iron rod+disc of storms in the shop
I will never break the cycle of being why I can't have nice things

yeah basically you will learn that the crawl devs are completely allerging to telling their players actual numbers

>>161608648
You can start by properly annotating resists.

>+3 relec
is
>rElec+++

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>Doom wins an award at the game awards
>Marty Stratton gets up on stage and talks about how great the doom fan community and fan content is
>Literally hours after DoomRL gets a C&D

>>161608754
rElec is a binary resist fampai

>>161608998
C&D's are done by literal retard companies legal dept trying to justify their existence ala the FBI attacking burgers in a false flag to secure funding.

>>161609960
Stockholders need their confidence, goy.

>>161609960
>>C&D's are done by literal retard companies legal dept trying to justify their existence ala the FBI attacking burgers in a false flag to secure funding.
It's still really unfortunate timing.

>>161608998
What's the coverage on the C&D? I want to see the literal jews shitting their knickers about a noncommercial spinoff to a 23 year old game played by less than 80k people.

Just call it MoodRL and Jupiter Heck
problem solved

>>161608998
Oh man that's great. It looks like all they did was a search and just vomited C&D's at everything with the word doom in it. What a magical world we live in.

>>161610272
>Not doot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr5XNbLRlnU
Someone tweet the guy. It's time for the rise of Doot. Doom is the old 'n' busted village bike.

>>161610410
I imagine they'd have a legal claim to doot, actually. That trumpet revenant is official box art.

what does "hiding" status effect do on ninjas? I dont have any good weapons except sting and another short sword, but they both have perm light. Will i get fucked without hiding in darkness? I kill shit faster with dualwielding sting and that sword

>>161610910
Give him a tuba then

>>161609960
they're not just trying to justify their existence, they're required to do shit like this to keep their copyright

>>161610962
your first attack out of "hiding" is a sneak attack that can potentially do massive bonus damage or potentially instakill shit

generally instead of standing next to things and repeatedly bumping them it's better to move in and out of hiding to get the maximum number of stabs

as a ninja sneak attack shit is probably the MAJORITY of your damage. never ever ever have perm light items equipped unless you have some permanent darkness to counter it out

>>161611046
God bless our jewish puppetmasters.

>>161611046
They're required to do it for trademark, not copyright. There's a pretty important distinction there anon.

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>THREE throwing axes of final rest
I'M COMING FOR YOU WHISPERING SHADOWS!

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>>161610190
not him but i found the thread on /v/

seems like their legal team is just being pissy about them having "doom" on their website

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At least it has +7 speed.

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>>161613021
I take it back, this is actually entertaining.

What does fertilizer do for crops in DDA?

Is it strictly necessary to use it? Plants seem to grow just fine without it.

>>161604519
>>161604707
>>161605351
Go play STALKER with one of the mods that adds fucking everything
>>161602176
Yeah that sucks

>>161613342
Wiki says it makes them grow faster. save it for your shop seeds so you can get more of your beans, oats, broccoli and shit you can't craft seeds for.

>Try to do a prison break
>Brutes everywhere
>Get punched right out of the prison
>Escape

Honestly this was easier than having to make 600 lockpicks and hope rng gifts me the ability to leave

>>161614145
>use it on things you can get seeds for
Why?

That doesn't seem to correlate to me. If I can't get seeds for them, what would making them grow faster matter?

>>161614319
The faster broccoli, oats, beans, etc. mature the faster you can harvest them, collect the seeds, and replant, refertilize and reharvest for more seeds. This is in contrast to buckwheat, wild veggies, wild herbs, dandelions, etc where you can both harvest to get crops and seed then craft the crops into seed to quadruple your seed stock.

>>161614545
Is granola the best use of crops for making food?

Right now I'm making biscuits and drinking water. Trying to decide what crops to settle on. I use simple nutrition cuz fuck vitamin management.

>>161613260
Okay, it's terrible.

Your drops are based on what it ends up when you finally manage to kill it, so you'll go in trying to kill an ancient multi-hued dragon for that exp and loot, and end up with a mummified troll that gives like 2 exp and drops nothing.

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The coldest season is underway and we're not yet finished with Fort McFaggot aka Faggoton. We have a new refugee we haven't decided whether to oppress or not yet. Lakeisha keeps saying he's Raciss but she said that about Rolle too so we just kinda ignore her. We're almost indistinguishable from pre cataclysm civilization and we'll be having our first gay pride parade this spring!

>>161614743
It's nice for when you gotta go hump it for a couple days away from home. desu, I say just roll with the least overhead so you spend the most time actually playing the game. Foraging and slingshotting small game will let you keep socking away a little permafood at a time.

Buckwheat's your main. You can ramp to thousands of seeds lightning fast, cook it raw for 50 nutrition or have an NPC help you grind it for 200 flour every 2 hours. You get around 40 days of food from a 10x10 plot of buckwheat. Grow a little dandelion for a couple jugs of tea to stay healthy, marijuana for joints and brownies,. Once you have a can sealer or foodco buddy you can grow some wild veg, dandelions, and mushrooms for jars or cans of soups. Garlic works as a salt substitute until you find a swamp to take on tanks of saltwater.

At some point, you can grow a bunch of berries to fruit wine into vinegar. That gives ya booze for the tipsy +1 str, vinegar for preserving and batteries.You'll get yeast as a byproduct for bread. You can grow vodka for bandages, aid kits, hard alcohol preservation, and ethanol crafts. If you don't have fungals/triffids near you can grow canola for a couple jugs of cooking oil. Rhubarb has the best crop to dehydrated fruit ratio if you want to stock up. Hallucinogenic mushrooms are another source of free +morale if you're chill with eventually finding out a hulk is real. If you don't want to go the lye and berries route, you can tap maple trees for sap and sugar beets for syrup to spam cookies and shit.

Do we still play InCaveAd?

>>161616505
Yeah.

>>161616181
Not pictured are the four rows of 2 depth pits on the unsidewalked outside of the palisade walls.

Also not the vibrator rigged to be powered by a medium storage battery which I'd named Throne and around which the town is founded.

>>161616181
Living the dream

>>161616704
>the amount of bondage gear necessary to scavenge for a gay pride parade
>dream

>>161616181
What game is this?

>>161615037
really? in that case polymorphs work differently from chameleons

that's p. weird

>>161616505
i have seen literally no incavead posts

the one anon who plays it is afraint of posting i guess

>>161617074
Cataclysm DDA

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>tfw all this gimmick gear
I need a deck of many weapons to hold all this fuck your shit.

>>161617280
Oh theres a new 3d mode wow, thanks anon

>>161618920
Isometric is not 3d.
I am torn between how difficult the grids are to distinguish and my nostalgia boner for iso a-la Infinity Engine.

oh man
i am fuckin stoked
found an exp pot
then got black draconian as a AE
GOOD TIMES AHEAD

>>161619569

hope you don't splat several hundred turns after

>>161619797
nah i die in terrible places like coc:7 or pan with 6 or 7 runes
my early game is pretty tight when i am not bored

>>161619914
what's your lair:1 rate

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>Gillim shows up early
>Have shadows and space to take off my lamp
>Kick the shit out of him in the hall thanks to halving his accuracy. not taking a single hit
>He runs off into another giant and an easterling spy
>Have to sit on my hands spamming 0 skill arrows until the spy fucking kills itself
>Arrow plonk into the giant camping the door
>Motherfucking frost rakuo comes over and cunts it up constantly switching with gillim who both dogpile into the hall cause of the fucking frost brand
>Have to swap to my narg axe to have a chance
>Kill the frost rakuo but the damage is already done
>Switch back to shadows
>Keep getting gillim close but can never close it out with this shortsword of shadows.
>Finally choke and get exploded
Rakuo's are everything bad with Sil. They ruin everything and are the mainstay of the worst part of the game. They ruin fucking everything. Rakuos and archers exit to make your run miserable.

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guys i think i fucked up. i limited myself to only play ASCII games and fap to ASCII. https://vimeo.com/2752500
this gonna be a long week

>>161620484
pretty good

>>161620762
like what

>>161620829
like mostly decent

>>161620484

lair:1 rate?

>>161621023
like your winrate but a better indicator of skill because if your character can make it to lair you're practically guaranteed a win after that point, ignoring suicides and lazy play since DCSS is a borefest after early game which makes people want to kill themselves literally and figuratively (in-game)

...Is it just me or does Iskenderun's Mystic Blast really just kinda suck?

>>161621340
It sucks compared to its elemental counterparts. Its point is that it's a single school nonelemental that irregularly bullied the thing behind it.

>>161621340
it's not just you

>>161621275

Lair is not the only branch in crawl so it's not really a good indicator of skill

>>161621340
It's not just you.

>>161621723
Unless you do something horribly wrong that's right around the time your skill allocation and flood drops coalesce into a steam train and you have a 5 rune in the bag unless you eat shit trying to fight an endgame unique in shoals:4

>>161621340
It got nerfed a lot over time, like everything else that was useful.

>>161621723
If you can make it to lair consistently and often, you have all the right skills to continue onward to beat the rest of the game. Those skills can be applied to every branch. Everything else just depends on how spoiled or bored you are. Everyone talks about how tedious the game is, which they use as an excuse (rightfully) to go for the bare minimum of 3 runes instead of all 15 runes, or to excuse really stupid deaths like tabbing to facilitate suicide or expired flight over deep water.

>>161621275
What the fuck? That is retarded.

>>161622537
thats retarded becuz ur retarded LOL

>>161621995

>Unless you do something horribly wrong

So that's basically the situation in every floor of Crawl and not just lair:1 right? Except it's deadlier the further you go. Your rate at getting 3 runes is a good indication of skill

>>161622582
Uhhh....no?
>>>/v/

>>161622707
>So that's basically the situation in every floor of Crawl and not just lair:1 right? Except it's deadlier the further you go.
By this logic 15 rune win rate is an even better indication of skill

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>>161622537
>>161622582

>>161622537
prelair is the majority of "difficulty" in crawl though

majority of random pubbies have <1% winrate, but IIRC the winrate for characters who have reached the end of lair is something like 16% or better

>>161622913

And what's wrong with it? 3 runing could be excused since you're allowed to ascend with it and win but "lair:1 rate" is stretching it too far.

how would you monetize a mobile roguelike?

>>161623385
I guess skins, additional dungeons/branches. Challenge modes. Difficult gimmick starts or other shit that give you a very flavorful run.

>>161623385
a very good ui

>>161623385
DLC races, DLC tiles, charge 1 cent per 500 actions, install a keylogger to gain valuable customer passwords

>>161623385
modality, tiles, isometric view, and real time play
$0.99 wishes

>>161623385
do wha every other mobile game does
charge money for extra actions

>>161623734
i wont make fun of you for not knowing the mobile cesspool market, you can easily do without it. i think it would be cool as fuck to have a shitload of builds like DCSS but make it like one of those games that slowly restore energy, in this case energy being spent to start a game. if you splat a lot like a scrub you have to pay to play frequently but if ur good you dont need to.

>>161591984
>Fucking casuals
Daily reminder that casual gaming is the only justifiable form of gaming

>>161623385

charge 50 cents per cast of regeneration
charge $3 (three) per play of GrBe/MiBe

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>>161624371
>charge $3 (three) per play of GrBe/MiBe
You are a genius!

>>161624371
MiFi of Trog becomes a lot more popular

>>161623385
you could do any of:
-just buy the app to play the game
-limited demo portion of game free, pay to unlock full game
-limited runs per day, pay more to splat more
-unlock sidegrade character options, or even worse do some metagame progression bullshit where you can pay to advance faster
-random starting equipment/skills, pay a small amount to try again with the same one as last time

or you could just make FOSS and not fuck around with monetization

>>161623385
i played an awful super basic roguelike. it was permadeath but you had an item bank you could deposit items in and use in later runs. the dev made it so gear was REQUIRED to advance on the harder dungeons and guess what, there were supply packs you could buy for a couple bucks a pop for the high tier gear

>>161624924
i forgot to mention this game had over a hundred thousand downloads and 4+ rating on google playstore. raked in the dough

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Well, I guess I'll have to reserve some good time for this.

>>161625280
Any way you can turn your changes into a patch?
Try to get in touch with chris and get your stuff added as a mod pack birth option?

Starting up CDDA. What mods, if any, should I use when creating a world?

>enter labyrinth
>read tele scroll
>dropped RIGHT onto the minotaur
Sick

>>161625363
Eh, it is possible I guess.I haven't really looked into how to do it properly, though.
I did turn some of my DCSS alterations into git-patches, but they never really went anywhere.

>>161625445
disable acid zombies

They're guaranteed damage no matter what you're wearing, and break legs of everyone and everything after enough encounters.

Fuck acid zombies. Dumbest fucking things in the game. And I've tried modding their damage and effects to be different, but it's just not worth the effort. Other zombies have acid attacks. You're not missing out.

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>>161625513
Fuck

>>161625598
>doing any programming work whatsoever with THAT
Have you got the brain parasites Bennet?

QUICK
HOW DO I SURVIVE TROG WRAATH !?!?!?

>>161625930
Be able to blink.

_W - the +8 trident of Inflation (weapon) {pierce, +Blink MP+9}
Hot....

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>Teleport disarm misfire into a turret room
>Gun is useless cause fuck guns amirite
Kill em all and let god sort it out. The researchers had the right idea.

>>161625930
Use blink scrolls, summoning scrolls, haste, agility and might pots? You should just not get into wrath in the first place.

>>161625280
>dothtml
just delete all that shit and re-generate the spoiler files

press control-a S on a wizmode character

>>161625513
as you are developing PCB-R it's a real pain to split out individual features because you don't separate different changes into different commits

e.g. you would put all work from one hour in one commit instead of having separate commits for "new unique" and "add Alchemist class" or whatever

>>161626486
If he has merge conflicts it's because he's pulling them.
Wouldn't put it past Chris to fuck up and push generated files though.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8

>>161627035
i misspoke

they're not spoiler files they're the html helpfiles that the game displays to you when e.g. you press ? on the race selection screen

so yes pushing them is a good and cool thing

>>161627215
Documentation: cool, cooler, or coolest?

>>161625726
>>161626605
Probably.

Anyway, I got it to compile, but obviously some changes are funky. Since the birth uses completely new system for picking shit, my implementations are gone so I can't pick my custom classes etc.

>>161627215
>water sxtraction cbm has a value of 5500 and common parts
Man, I kind of want to be a traveling salesman of nomad and survival gear. Fuck I wish factions were further along.

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>>161627427
I'm gonna do something to you.

is there a /rlg/ discord channel

>>161627637
K A T E
A____T
T____A
E T A K

>>161627696
???

>>161627610
holy fuck

>>161627696
who is this "kate etak"

>>161627596
If pop culture is to be believed, everyone will devolve into murderous bands of roaming tribes fucking each other over, so being a post-apocalyptic trader is a pipe dream

>>161627925
>tfw every npc is dead 5 turns after they hold me up
You just have to kill the bandits. there's a benefit to being an ex-adventurer versus these little bitch babies.

>40% nether resist
>dracolisk still takes off 200 HP in one hit

just poschengband things, I guess

>>161628048
Read up on the max damage formula for its element and what health it has

>>161627791
>>161627925
Rev up those resumes boyladdies *sm00ches*

>>161628048
>60% of 466 should be less than 200
poschengband really needs to show the potential damage for breaths/spells in monster recall though

why the fuck should i have to look this shit up elsewhere

>>161628796
Cause you break them down into their cap tiers and just plug the mon recall max hp into it.
tl;dr, ADOM/Nethack mentality is cancer

>>161628796
This is a very good idea. Have something like:

Max Possible Damage (Full HP): 1000
Damage (current HP): 500
Actual Damage (w/ resists) : 250

>>161628048
Breath damage is based on current monster hp. For generic elemental ones it is 1/4 of hp and caps at 900.
Here's a table of sorts:

>1/3 HP
Nexus / Time: max 150 dmg
Gravity: max 200 dmg
Mana: max 250 dmg

>1/4 HP
Fire / Elec / Cold / Acid: max 900 dmg

>1/5 HP
Poison: max 600 dmg
Storm Winds: max 300 dmg

>1/6 HP
Light / Dark / Conf: max 400 dmg
Sound: max 450 dmg
Chaos: max 600 dmg
Disenchantment / shards: max 500 dmg
Plasma: max 200 dmg

>Other:
Toxic Waste: 10d6 ( *2 if monster casts powerfully )

>>161628931
I'll look into implementing that in PCBR.

>>161629081
Oh, forgot disintegration.
1/6 of HP, max 150.

>>161629081
>I'll look into implementing that in PCBR.
I've heard interesting stuff about this (I love me some new content), but I'm reluctant to play it if it doesnt include the same fixes/tweaks as in Pseudo.

>>161629215
pcbr is a fork of Pseudo

>help is busted in new Pseduofuckinglongnameband

Game is already shitting me, and not even out of lvl 1.

>>161629275
no it isnt it's a fork of vanilla pcb

>>161629285
shit is it? i must have fucked something up

post img?

>>161629275
No, it's forked from vanilla.

I could look into merging into pseudo later this weekend.

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>>161629361
I keep trying to bring up the help command, and it does nothing but spam useless messages. Also, for some fucked up reason, < is now the playback button while > is now the auto run button. What the fuck.

>>161626254
>disarm misfire
FAULT
>murkan-180
>dat .22 stopping power

>>161629285
>>161629540
Ignore these posts, my keyboard went and switched to Canadian French instead of US.

>>161629540
those messages come up when you press a key that isn't bound to anything

do you have the same problems in vanilla pcb 503
i think chris changed the keys around a bit

>>161629670
Como estas, mon tomodachi.

>>161629503
I'd definitely give it a whirl if you did that.

>>161629626
It's mostly for when I get slammed into a pack. I can draw and burst spam a clearing before I get grab cucked. I can't hit the broad side of a wall with my glocknades

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We will instate a very rigid caste structure, in which I fuck all the women, and all the men stand guard outside the walls.

It's dissapointing that gambesons do not have an appropriate doll sprite. I'll need to rethink everyone's uniforms.

Anyone know if NPC's will use power armor if they're wearing it and holding a ups?

>>161629948
>Anyone know if NPC's will use power armor if they're wearing it and holding a ups?
Nope - they can't activate it.

If you somehow managed to give a NPC an active power armor and charged UPS before it deactivates it would work, but I don't see how is that doable.

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>>161630091
>we can't yet recreate the brotherhood of steel
Meanwhile the automotive cabal among the devs keeps obsessing about redlining engines. Fucking waste.

I haven't played a RL since Incursion was abandoned by its original dev and OP image is giving me the fuckin itch, can anybody tell me wtf it is?

>>161630347
Read the responses to OP though

>>161630347
Cataclysm DDA with an isometric tileset.

You should give Sil, Infra Arcana, Brogue, Dynahack, and forays into norrendin a swing.

>>161630475
>dude wants to play a game that looks like DDA
>recommend him (((interesting tactical situations))) instead
Oh you subversive hebrew you.

>>161630437
>>161630475
thanks, will do
I played Brogue way way back but I just didn't think it looked pretty enough. The coloured backgrounds of the tiles triggered me.

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>>161630592
Anons are powerless before the mighty tactical situations.

>>161630592
>those echoes

I know memes are addictive, but please try to use em correctly you three (3) double Minotaur

>>161630976
Keep subverting, kike
It doesn't work on True Men only on the mutants

>>161631071
Then boy do I have news for you. You see here a survivor's note. It reads, "It's in the water!"

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Imagine this but it's a michellin man under all that. Fucking ice lab man...

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NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE I WANNA GO HOME SARGE, ICE LABS AREN'T FOR ME!

how to use a icelab
step one go to the highest level
step 2 hack the first computer you find for a map
step 3 fuck off forever, go to one of the three other labs that show up on the map

>>161631839
But if you can stand it there's like 6 barracks to pilfer ammo out of.

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Alright, breath max dmg added. Although, to be honest, it would probably be best to track it through monster lore, with highest damage the monster has done before. Add afterwards ? if it wasn't the true damage.

Actually, I'd love to do it for all monster attacks.

>>161625930
>Abandon Trog
>Jump into Abyss:1, keep unwielding a distortion weapon if you have no other way to do it
>Blink every time Trog does Trog things, until he gets over it
>Profit!

>>161631871
there's 6 barracks in each of those other labs too and they don't involve fucking around with warmth

>>161631904
should just do it the way vanilla angband does it

shows max potential damage if you're looking at recall through ~m or something but the actual current damage if you're looking at recall for an injured dragon etc

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>>161631904
>suitable for riding

>>161632950
R?

>>161631978
Personally I would keep it obfuscated to a point. Probe/research reveals max, but only highest received damage is shown otherwise.

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>>161633619
No, it's the lastest version of Pseudoposbandchangthang

>>161633757
Can you say what caused it?

>>161634428
I went to the Icky Caves real quick to get on the recall list, then went back to the starter town (arriving to the south of town). I then used the "travel to" key so I could hit up the stores faster. I pathed a couple of tiles before that happened. At least the panic save worked, and I even found the Wounded Bear right after.

how the FUCK does the +6 shillelagh "devastator" work
is it good? is it bad? every time i find it i end up confused and do no damage with it

I really hate the fact that a lot of things on crawl like resists are fixed that it always always always encourages branching to other spellschools in order to not have a hard time. Why is everyone in Gehenna resistant to fire and why are all of their skills or their state of having no spells exactly the same all throughout? Can't this certain random Balrug who happened to be a scholar in Gehenna know Firestorm but is not resistant at all to fire? Can't this random Red Devil be speed 8 but knows Recall and Might Other? Can't this random Hell Sentinel in Dis happened to be born defective and cannot cast a single spell except for Haste Other while also having only MR1? What about in Pandemonium, specifically those Cacodemons. Can't this random Cacodemon found nearby the rune vault of glowing rune happened to be a Captain Cacodemon which happened to act as fast as a killer bee but is susceptible/not immune to poison? What about this random Orb of Fire that filled its remaining resistances in cold (rC+++) in exchange for losing its elec resistance? And most importantly, why are every single relevant demon either poison resistant or immune in the first place?

I get that uniformity has to be maintained as much as possible in games not only to roguelikes but too much of it is actually boring, uninteresting and encourages dumb repetitive behavior.

>>161634725
It's good for a while then dies because neither its damage or effect damage do enough

>>161634763
bitch you're not supposed to use the same spells forever. a tabber has to find good weapons and a caster has to find good spells. there's no reason to branch out to different spell schools once you have icestorm

>>161634763
You get IMB/sphere/OoD as part of whatever spellshit you're doing and most schools have partially irresistible or non-elemental. Examine fatigue and difficulty of both getting all their tards to agree to a glyph system and getting the sprites as well probably.Semi-Random spellsets are bad enough. Pan lords prove it's not even all that interesting of a concept anyway. Like the proc genned creatures in spore it sounds better than it is. I do think champion monsters ala diablo with a glow/different glyph color would be a good way to spice up the game though

>>161634882

>Pan lords prove it's not even all that interesting of a concept anyway

A lot of people already got killed by random Panlords in their orbruns despite only appearing one by one. You can only say they're uninteresting because you know there is always a single Panlord residing in a Pandemonium floor along with some cannon fodders equipped with spells that you already know how to deal with so the Panlord can't really do much. The only single time they appear unexpectedly is during orbruns too.

>>161635538

meant to >>161635063

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*sweating Mauler*

>>161635602
gondolin isn't even a useful brand though

i think they only time i've used one was as a stat stick on a caster who was killing shelob

>>161635903
I haven't found any better beatsticks yet though, and I'm just about to complete Orc Caves, so it should be useful for that at least.

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Aw yesh, I have found the legendary monster itself!