/dsg/ - Demon/Dark Souls General

Scott King Jundifer will save this general

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Chillin.

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First for BB is a Souls game

>>161672116

I never played online so SM never effected me as bad as I guess other people for Dark Souls II.
Because of this I didn't find it as bad as people claimed it was.

I admit the concept is bad and was not worth putting in the game, but it just never affected me or my playthrough the games

>>161672376
So was Pinwheel actually a whole family sewed together or what? Why is From so lazy at writing?

>>161672570
>playing any souls game offline
>voicing your opinion about the quality of the game

why are people doing this? and for ds2 too, a game inherently broken

>>161672570
SM isn't as bad as people say but that's because people say it's literally Satan Hitler. It's pretty bad but a lot of the hate is just because of how obviously bad it is and wondering how it ever got through to the finished product. In practie it's mostly an inconvenience since at the highest tiers the gap is so huge you can go ages without moving up. Even today, you can get summons or invasions at any level without using the shitty agape ring.

>>161672756
Because the games are designed with PvE first and foremost, PvP is an unbalanced afterthought added to artificially extend it's lifespan.

>>161671947
What ADP did for a lot of people was make dodging a very difficult option in the early game, which resulted in a lot of "HITBOXES" webms being made. While DaS and DeS had similar issues, they weren't as exaggerated because in previous games, only fatroll had 1/6th a second of invincibility frames, while in DaS2 people started out with that much, and on top of that there were a lot of attacks that were slow as hell and had lingering hitboxes that were simply longer than people could dodge for. While I agree that ADP should play a role in the player's ability to dodge, DaS2 did it too hard. It should have gave extra frames to each tier of rolling rather than define your i-frames, plus some other utilities like reducing fall damage.

And then in DaS3, they overcorrected the issue with ADP by making everyone have 100 agility by default up to 70% equip load with no gradual debuffs related to equip load.

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>>161672569
let me fix that for you hun:

"BB is one of the many king's field inspired ARPGs"

>>161672726
Pinwheel is a literal joke boss. There's a thing in Japan where multiple people go under a sheet and one person is the 'head', the other the right hand and the third person the left hand or something and the japanese name for the boss is a reference to whatever that practise is.

>>161673080
They sure made him creepy looking for that joke. His music is disturbing too for the tiny amount of time you hear it before you push his shit in.

>>161672940
>Posting tits on a blue board

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Official rankings:
BB=DaS>Das2>Das3

>>161673184
>kreggan route doesn't rely on duping
>sanzto's route does

kreggan still legitimate WR

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>>161673269
BB=>1 > 3 > Demon's > 2

DeS > DaS > DaS 2 > BB > DaS 3
Pretty much like the games based on release order funnily enough.

BB/DaS3 didn't feel like souls games, but I still like them nonetheless, just less thought based and more twitch reaction/mashy based kinda like Dynasty Warriors

>>161673269
All of the game discs are of equal size, I don't see how any of them are bigger than another.

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nth for Giant Daddies

Reminder that Blooddrones are tsundere for us

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>>161671947
>ADP is fine, I never understood the issues with it.
If you aren't baiting, this are the issues. the idea is just retarded. it fucked all hitboxes when you have low adp, specially the grabbing ones, and your character starts at low adp.
But even without adp the hitboxes are really bad anyway in ds2 anyway.

>DaS2 makes game where you have to time dodges unless you put points into a stat that makes game easier
>people cry
>DaS3 makes game where you have fully invincible rolls that cost 5% stamina
>people cry

When is From Software going to give up?

>>161672569
>have to actually work for several hours doing some end of the year filing and getting shit ready for the ramp up after new years
>come back to cath up just to see 200 replies of people flinging shit at each other about literally the entire soulsborne franchise
>not even 5 posts in and niggers are already back at it again

just.. just let it be

>>161673529
Reminder that some BBfriend is prentending to be an anti-BB poster to fish for replies for some gay collage image.

>>161673489
>DaS 2 being better than BB
the fuck you on about m8

>>161673585
This is probably the poorest example you could ever posted

1.) it's a grab attack, which EVERY game has problems with in regards to hitboxes, even BB.
2.)The player dodged too early and was clipped in the leg. Grab attacks ALWAYS teleport you to play the animation in ALL the games if you're hit by it.

Your webm has nothing in relation to ADP.

>>161672940
i wanted to play that KF games, but it's so fucking slow... it runs at like 10 fps even on emulators, because its made to be slow.

>>161673269
>had bb on the list
>no des on the list

>>161673489
thats cause bb isn't a souls game and ds3 took too much influence from bb

>>161672916
PvP is how Souls got popular.
Even though it follows the same design philosophies like it's predescessor, KF was never that popular.
The unique way souls has coop and invasions is why we're here now

>>161673518
>the skulls

how have I never noticed that before

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>>161673723
You don't get teleported like that in other souls games.
>b-but there's that one boss in ds1 with a bad hitbox
don't excuse everything in ds2 having awful hitboxes

>>161673190
>ywn get a redone Pinwheel fight in a maze-like area where the fight could go on longer than 30 seconds.

Imagine how cool the Pinwheel fight would be in drained New Londo Ruins.

>>161673919
You absolutely do, you should probably play the games before opening your mouth.

>>161673489
>>161673815
>>161673269
>>161673765
BB has the best overall level andmonster design and PVE. People who argue otherwise have not played it. Only flaw is not enough SKL weapons.

>>161674118
>>>/bbg/

>>161674118
>BB has the best overall level andmonster design and PVE
You're baiting or retarded.
>>161673919
t. shitposter
Every grab in all the games work that way, even BB with Winter Lanterns grabs

>>161673585
The Pursuer webm is edited though.
The sword indeed has some interesting hitboxes but that wemb is utter bs.

>>161674117
literally just finished a run and I never experienced anything that bad.

yes, sometimes i felt like I dodged a grab and still got snatched. NEVER though, did i move completely behind an enemy and get teleported 10 feet to where I was 5 seconds ago as if i was pvping with some australian playing from the Maccas wifi

anecdotes dont prove shit, lets see some fucking rediculous das1 teleportation grabs like>>161673919

>>161673585
DaS2 actually has good hitboxes outside of one or two stray examples like Fume Knight's thrust.
What's fucked is that rolling has a lingering hitbox behind the player, so if you roll with low Agility you can get hit from where you were, as if you were playing online. The same enemy attack could miss you very precisely if you just sprinted instead of rolling.

>>161673489
Same, regret buying the PS4. I even tried my hardest to artificially make BB enjoyable. I made many different routes to play the game utilizing chalice dungeons, but outside the old hunters there really isn't anything that game has to offer me. Occasionally I'll get an itch to play the game, in which case I'll do Papa G/BSB -> Chalice for Uncanny saw and pretty powerful gems that will last me until Hamlet gems -> Amelia -> +9 weapon -> DLC and then stop playing without ever touching Shadows or Rom. Nothing in that game seems appealing for me, but it's probably just the overall aesthetic. Every zone looks the same (except DLC) and there's not much mob variety you got crazed villager, or monstrosity made up of a billion limbs or eyes. Couldn't find any weapon as fun as the cleaver and steak driver.

I ended up buying DS3 for PS4 to justify my console, but even that game was worse. Well, at least Nioh looks promising. Maybe my $400 paperweight will be good for something then

>>161674253
>You're baiting or retarded
Not him but how can you be so upset at somebody's opinion? While I haven't played BB, if he's saying that the PvE in that game was the best, it's clearly a subjective opinion.

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>>161674117
>>161674253
>i-it's okay because it also happened on the other games, even thought it wasn't as bad as in ds2!
there's no enemy in all other souls games and bb that teleport you when you are behind them like the mimics for example.

>>161674460
t. didn't played dark souls 2
this happened to me countless times when playing.

>>161674497
>NEVER though, did i move completely behind an enemy and get teleported 10 feet to where I was 5 seconds ago as if i was pvping with some australian playing from the Maccas wifi
That's just how the game handles grabs and backstabs, because these are static animations that involve two creatures. One of them is the anchor point (in this case, the one doing the grabbing/backstabbing) and the other is moved to compensate so the animation lines up.
An alternative would be for the Pursuer to teleport to where you are. Would that feel any less bullshit?
A third alternative would be Demon's Souls style where backstabbing someone has you attacking thin air and them falling over for no visual reason. I forget if DeS had PvE grab attacks other than Allant.

>>161674117
In both dks 1 and 3, if you get hit by a grab attack but it either isn't a direct hit or you're just a bit out of range the grab will just stagger you and deal 10-15 damage. You can test it against dks 1's dark hand R2 and dks 3's sulyvahn stabs. BB is the same aside from the huge radius on the brain doll's grabs.

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>>161674117
Yes, all games have moments and particular grabs that are pretty iffy, but DaS2 has multiple hitboxes and grab hitboxes that are fucking ridiculous. >>161673919 is fucking stupid, 1, 3, and BB don't have grabs that retarded even if visually the player is outside the actual grab model when it happens.

Plus >>161674634 mentions, having low ADP makes your hit box linger in the most idiotic way that just creates a lot of misleading visuals

>>161674814
Penetrator had a grab attack.

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>>161674497

>>161674814
no Im saying that its utterly bullshit. Im just providing another anecdote saying that the das1 experience didnt hit me with bullshit like that, ever.

some yes, but all I was doing was putting the burden of proof on to anyone that can show me pve bullshit that bad in das1

if its there, maybe outside of the golem who I think has the wonkiest fucking grab, I havent seen it

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why do people hack their characters stats way above their sl/sm instead of enabling god mode? If you are not gonna fight fair why stop at higher stats. Just curse my shit up sempai.

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>>161674634
It's been a few years now and this still somehow isn't common knowledge.

Top is what people think happens.
Bottom is what actually happens.

Both are fucked, but for different reasons.

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>>161674497
also

>>161675243
Why is the dragon titfucking himself with the Estus flask?

>>161675160
>putting the burden of proof on to anyone that can show me pve bullshit that bad in das1
So did you never fight Super Ornstein or what

Why do almost no players use multiple weapons?

I have 3 weapons equipped with different play styles so I can not only have more fun but mix things up to win.

>>161675072
is that dark souls 1? Im trying to make a point that the predecessor did it better

While Im at it though, outside of the fact that that is funny as shit, das3 did it better too

I want Adapatability and Resistance to return and work decently.

>RES adds natural defense and a poise multiplier for HA attacks. Most attacks are given some miniscule amount of poise, and high RES allows it to be used.
>ADP adds i-frames onto already existing roll i-frames, just makes them easier rather than requiring them for rolling decently by the majority of players, as well as reducing fall damage and how fast you use items, switch weapons, and such.
>Armor now affects how much stamina is consumed when rolling. It also has a damage threshold, where attacks lower than the combined damage threshold deal greatly reduced damage. These both have scaling with RES and ADP. RES increases the defense and the damage threshold, ADP reduces the roll stamina debuff.
>An ADP heavy armor build would be rolling as much as a lightly armored one, while light armor's debuff would effectively be negated
>A RES heavy armor build would bring throwing knives and longswords back to DaS1 damage and make the scariest weapons less absolutely horrifying, while a lightly armored build would not melt in the face of very powerful attacks

By having relevant stats other than VIG, END, STR, and DEX, pure STR and pure DEX damage builds become viable again as they now have something to give themselves some other utility that Quality builds can't have; armor utility. They will still do a shitload of damage, but it will be more geared toward being mid-light weight, like a Claymore or Longsword using Elite Knight.

>>161675442
That'd add even more inbalanced mess than solve anything.

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>>161674497
.

>>161675406
Because people optimize their protection from armor so that they get max absorbtion and hit 70% equip load exactly.

>>161675405
actually did on my very last playthrough. I was literally able to walk around his legs while he was trying to grab me and never got snagged. Which surprised me too to be honest, but I actually have a harder time with super smough

>>161675324
never played bb so I dont actually know what the fuck is going on here

>>161675610
H-he's fast!

>>161674497
>yes, sometimes i felt like I dodged a grab and still got snatched. NEVER though, did i move completely behind an enemy and get teleported 10 feet to where I was 5 seconds ago as if i was pvping with some australian playing from the Maccas wifi
What's the difference? If the positional reset doesn't put you over a bottomless pit or anything, it's just an irrelevant visual difference.
Is it just a matter of "feeling" worse?

>>161675406
Because hardswapping is plain superior

>>161673585
>this are the issues.

>>161675406
Because DaS2 and DaS3 added a third weapon slot and I hate the console-cancer "cycling" of weapons as opposed to the binary toggle of DeS and DaS1. I do use two per hand but deliberately keep the third one empty.

>>161675541
ds1 add some things but it's basically the same thing. It didn't really felt weird to me to play des. The only weird thing is that the character felt weightless, specially when he was falling, it was like slow motion or low gravity.

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>>161674497

>>161673585
I've played DS2 with low adp and never seen anything like that webm. Maybe it got better in patches?

>>161673719
They're very different games despite being in the same genre. I like DaS 2 a lot better than BB but it could easily be argued that BB is a better product. Tastes and all that

>>161675951
Demon's Souls actually takes place on the moon. Deepest lore.

DS3, Changing your name with a cheat engine will give you a soft ban?

>>161673269
Ds3>ds1>ds2
Nostalgiafags need to fuck off and realize ds1 is an unbalanced mess.

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>>161674497

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>>161676007
I don't know , maybe you are just lucky. It happened all the time with me, even on soft.

>>161673269
BB>DaS1=DaS2>DaS3>>>DeS

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>>161675272

>>161676240
Unbalance creates depth
I'd rather have depth that adds to replay value than a boring lifeless piece of shit

>>161675960
how are you people getting this shit to happen? Never seen crap like this in any game in the series except in online PVP.

Where do you people get so many webms of these game's hitboxes? Do you go and keep trying to record them or what?

>>161675951
>ds1 add some things but it's basically the same thing.

DS1 completely changed the healing system, the summoning system, the checkpoint system, and created multiple movesets within weapon classes. IIRC at best DeS would give a weapon from one class the moveset from another class. DS1 also added poise.

Inability to climb waist-high walls aside, DS1 made some huge gameplay improvements over DeS.

>>161676240
>DS3
>not an unbalanced mess
*dodge rolls behind u*
Nothin personnel...kid
*r1 spams straightsword and kills u in stunlck*

>>161676281
>>161675960
>>161675610
>>161675324
>>161675072


BUT BUT ONLY DAS 2 DOES THIS!!!!

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>people keep going on about how "all" hitboxes in DaS2 are fucked
>only ever post Pursuer (player roll hitbox is fucked here, not the grab hitbox) and Mimic (actual case of poorly done hitbox because the entire physical model of the chest and its immediate surroundings activate during the lunge), with occasional Fume Knight thrust webm

So two enemies, Mimics and Fume Knight. That's "all" of them? Other enemies can be dodged just fine by either increasing Agility to counteract the lingering player roll hitbox or just sprinting out of the way because no Souls game actually requires rolling.

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>>161676443
Play the games and/or browse long enough and you'll see plenty of janky shit.

>>161676653
You forgot the club giants.

Even as a fan of DS2 I find them atrocious.

>>161676723
>Play the games and/or browse long enough and you'll see plenty of janky shit.
If it takes a long time to happen then it's an edge case and not a serious issue.

>>161672569
>>161672940
>>161673765
>>161674118

Bloodborne is a souls game.

Bloodborne is the best implementation of the souls formula and is the highest production quality From Software game ever made.

Souls games are closer to Armored Core and Legend of Zelda (in terms of style and mechanics) than they ever were to King's Field.

Souls Games have awful multiplayer, and were never designed for PvP in the first place.
Just layin' down some hard truth for you all here.

>>161676653
The fucking Hippos with their grab were also pretty annoying.

>>161676787
nah

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>>161672376
Is there anywhere I can get PC Dark Souls 3 for under £20?

>>161676815
This post gave me PTSD

>>161676787
nah

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>>161676321
>>161675272

>>161676653
Because the circlejerk is about hating on dark souls 2 you dummy. You should probably lurk more and understand our culture before posting.

>>161676787
Also, souls is closer to Frame Gride than King's Field, too. And Frame Gride was just a combination of King's Field and Armored Core.

>>161676723
Oh right, the 2club giants also had legitimate fucked hitboxes. They don't ever get posted as an example for some reason though.
>>161676815
Sure, but their grab hitbox was fine if you don't fall for the lingering roll hitbox ruse. The fucked thing about their grab was the damage and bleed.

>>161676952
Don't you just love the enemy grunt leaving bloodsplatter on the floor but no hit actually registering?

>>161676537
des healing system would not work in ds1, but estus would not work in des either, since the levels in des are bigger and more difficult, and have less checkpoints(unless you start with 20 estus or something).

On the top of that, if you are at 50% hp without the cling ring, you will be one shot by many things.

Estus is a good system because it makes you want to be at low health to use it, what is risky, but it would not be effective in des outside bosses.

>the summoning system
only thing that changed is that you need to be human now, and that you can summon npcs.
I liked it way more in des where you would be with the real npcs and not with their summons, that can't even speak, and there is no consequence if they die, so they are very shitty compared to having the real guy near you.

>the checkpoint system
I like des checkpoint system more. You could rest in the bonfires in das, but there was not really a comfy safe place to rest like the nexus(i'm talking about you resting, not the character).

>and created multiple movesets within weapon classes
>DS1 also added poise.
yeah these things were good.

>only das 2 has bad hitboxes
>people post bad hitboxes for all the games

I wish I had a reaction image to how hilarious this is

>>161676952
Let me introduce you to the wonders of Ping lag / latency

>>161676423
>Unbalance creates depth
What?
Also, I still don't get the no replay value meme. Dark souls 1 is more replayable because you can skip areas? I can't replay ds1 because of how much of a slogfest it is. Ds3 has great gameplay and flow, and the areas are all of pretty good quality.
>>161676574
>Instantly hornetbackstab for a oneshot. Don't even try being ds1 pvp into this. It's the worst in the entire series by far.

>>161676767
I don't think it's a serious issue in any of the games, I'm just pointing out that all of the games have this issue.

>>161676952
That's PvP, that's different. Due to online latency, the enemy player on your screen is a second or so in the past compared to where they actually are.

>>161677072
rolls should have had chip damage

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>>161677167
>the enemy player on your screen is a second or so in the past
Explain this then :^)

>>161677156
>>Instantly hornetbackstab for a oneshot. Don't even try being ds1 pvp into this. It's the worst in the entire series by far.
I wasn't. DaS 2 was the best pvp.

>>161675406
Having more than 2 weapons per slot makes switching through them a clusterfuck, it adds a ton of equip load for weapons that you might not even pull out during the fight and every player with more than 10 hours played understands how to quickswap if they need to.

i just came back to DaS3 after playing the dlc when it came out and i'm crashing every minute or so, cant even alt tab or anything.

Did they fuck something up with a patch? played the dlc just fine when it came out but now i can barely move.

>>161677156
You can have good gameplay but no replay value if the level design is visually uninteresting, especially if the game is extremely linear. DaS3 has no depth outside mash R1 and abuse 5% stamina invincible rolls anytime you see an enemy wind up your attack. Whereas in DaS1 the entire game is slower, but enemies are designed to punish you for rolling too early, you need to time your rolls or you will get roll catched everytime. Yes there are ways to make the game easier, like havel face tanking but we're not arguing that, we're arguing the simplicity that is Dark Souls 3 and how it offers little to nothing for the game and makes the game dull and boring to play.

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>>161677132
>enter Penetrator arena
>this swole son of a bitch appears outta nowhere
>helps you beat the shit out of the faggot knight
This shit will always be better than summoning Tarkus for golem or Siegward helping with Yhorm

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>>161676787
nah why bb fags even care about that shit, it's just not a souls game and end of the story, it doesn't mean that bb is bad or anything.

>>161676620
this posts with webms showing ''look how the other games were also bad'' always have only bosses. In ds2 not only bosses, but regular enemies had this kind of shit. The regular enemies in the other games games didn't had that. Yes gaping dragon for example had bad hitboxes, but there is only one bad dragon and he don't respawn, so it's nowhere as bad as regular enemies everywhere with broken hitboxes.

>>161676952
that's called latency

Remember when rolling was more about getting out of the way of an attack, and iframes were just a bonus for clutch situations?

>>161675406
I'd equip all slots if only the ones being used were added to my weight

>>161677215

90% of the problems with dark souls pvp balance (in terms of stats, not the awful netcode) come down to From Soft balancing "classes" of weapons but not weapons within each class. All katanas have high counter modifier, no matter how strong they are or how hard they are to hit with. All rapiers have high poise destruction no matter how light they are.

How to fix Dark Souls:

1. Rolling twice in a row causes stagger
2. Poise destruction depends on the weight of the weapon, not the type. (heavier weapon to break poise = heavier armor to build poise)
3. Counter bonus should depend on the speed of the hitbox (slower swing = more counter reward)

This would solve most of the reasons why there's such a huge tier difference between most weapons.

all infusions except for Raw should make a weapon unable to be buffed

unless the weapon has an element or status infusion infusion and can only be buffed with that specific element

poison with poison weapon
fire weapons buffed with flame
deep with dark, etc

y/n?

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Thanks for the help Nana, I feel kinda sorry for those invaders who just got lost and gave up trying to find us.

I'm wondering though, I'm trying out a dark magic build and don't know what to transpose Deacons soul for. The sword seems pretty terrible, but I don't know about the spell.

>>161677759
Werewolves, Gargoyles, Winter Lanterns are bosses?

>>161676787
souls combat is literally kings field combat with more attacks, rolling and a different perspective

why do you think the same tactic that inspired backstabs is still used today in souls? (circle strafing and attacking from behind)

you can't include BB if you dont include KF, mong

>>161676723
>>161677042
Hey, we called it.
>>161677759
3 enemies in the game with the largest amount of different enemies, one of the 3 (Fume Knight) being a boss but this memer literally just implied that
>it's okay when bosses do it!

>>161677132
>the levels in DeS are bigger
They're about the same overall size.
DeS and DaS3 have a fuckton of trashmobs for you to fight which is cool because I like the combat, but when you consider it, the DeS levels aren't actually really that huge.

>>161677853
the sword is decent if you go 40 int, but because you're going dark there are better options since the dark sorceries casted with the sword will be trash
so just take the deep soul

>>161677762
Yeah. I miss it.

>>161677759
Oh so only regular enemies count now when you saw that other games have the same issue?
Okay.

>>161677762
>>161678217
It really feels like DaS3 missed the point when it comes to rolling.

>>161677786
I like you.

>>161677853
Deep Soul is insanely good since it's the Homing Soul Arrow of dks 3, but Great Deep Soul exists which is a straight upgrade. It also costs very little stamina to cast and casts almost as fast as a Farron dart while actually being able to stagger enemies.

>>161677167
>a second or so
1000ms latency isn't common my man
30-150 is common (upper ranges are usually between america and europe) and anything above usually times out or doesn't get you connected to begin with.
Except in the very rare cases it does and you get a super duper lag match

>>161674671
>only reason to play BB is TOH
Yeah pretty much.

>>161678276
>you can't complain about all enemies of ds2 having awful hitboxes, if 5 bosses of ds1 have one attack with a bad hitbox

>>161677759
>posted a Pursuer webm
>now bosses don't count
Anti-DaS2 shitposters are masters at moving goalposts as always.

>>161678303
To be fair ultra high ADP Das2 had a similar problem. it just wasn't as bad because rolling took more stamina. Also the Witcher 2 had almost no i-frames at all and everyone hated that game's combat, so maybe we just don't know what's good fr us.

>>161677960
Souls combat is literally melee armored core combat with the same perspective.

Armored Core is all about circle strafing, and when Miyazaki joined the team he added "rolling" (quick boosting).

Unlike king's field though, both AC and DS have:
> 4-6 weapon slots
>3 simultaneous weapons (2 weapons + support item)
>auto lock on with tracking
>regenerating stamina bar
>non-regenerating health bar
>sprinting that consumes stamina
>poise = stability in both games
>speed dependent on weight cap %
>stamina regen depends on equipped parts

The addition of shields are the biggest change between the two games, AC has never had anything like DS shields and DS has never had anything like AC guns, but outside of that they are shockingly similar from a game design perspective. WAY closer than King's Field.

People just get all hard-dicked for King's Field because it looks similar, but Dark Souls is what happens if you use Armored Core's gameplay applied to a Legend of Zelda style game.

>>161677132
>estus would not work in des either, since the levels in des are bigger and more difficult

I disagree, I think 10 sips around the level of full moon grass would be plenty to get through any given shortcut and subsequently any given area.

>only thing that changed is that you need to be human now

You have to be alive to summon in DeS.

>there was not really a comfy safe place to rest like the nexus

Firelink.

>>161677720
>This shit will always be better than summoning Tarkus for golem or Siegward helping with Yhorm

Siegward simply walks into the boss room just like Biorr.

>>161677720
>tfw Tarkus was planned to be a real NPC instead of just a phantom
Jdimsa.

Though, with Biorr it's kinda shite how if you want to finish his questline you have to let him trivialize Penetrator.

Yhorm is a shite boss anyway so it doesn't matter if you 'trivialize' him.

Rip in peperoni boss with possibly the coolest aesthetic of souls bosses and the one I was looking forward to fighting the most.

>>161678376
Yeah I didn't mean a literal second, I meant the figurative generic short moment like "give me a second" or "just wait a second", my bad.

>>161678432
>pursuer
>boss
That's like saying that capra demon and taurus demon are bosses, when they are also regular enemies. you fight pursuer all the time in soft.

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Why do carthus curved sword users think they are fucking invincible? Any why the FUCK do people not know what spacing is?

On a side note, I hear that the Drakeblood greatsword is really good if buffed with DMB, can anyone confirm this?

>>161678578
>That's like saying that capra demon and taurus demon are bosses,
...they are when you first encounter them. This stretching is getting pretty hilarious.

>>161678431
Mimics, Ogres, Giants

Wow 3 enemies, all of which are pretty rare.
Wow a whole 3 enemies!!

DaS2 has less bosses with broken grab hitboxes than DaS1

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BB will NEVER be on PC and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

>>161678494
Correction: AC guns operate really similar to crossbows, except you can move while firing. Auto lock on, auto reload after each shot, limited shot speed and range, etc.

So imagine dark souls where every weapon was a greatsword or a crossbow, and you could fly at the cost of stamina. That's Armored Core.

>>161678652
I can buy a ps4 cheap once the ps5 is released :^)

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>>161678431
>all enemies
But this has been disproven thoroughly and multiple times. The consistently fucked thing is the player's rolling hitbox, but outside of rolling most of the hitboxes are just fine.
The notable exceptions are the Mimic lunge (only when first activating) and the club giants.

>>161678516
>>only thing that changed is that you need to be human now
>You have to be alive to summon in DeS.
so what changed then?

>Firelink.
>comfy
>safe
>shitty broken open place full of enemies around it, with hollows looking at you, and surrounded by never ending Cliffs
ok

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>>161678578
>>161678648
>anti-ds2 fuckboys didnt even actually play ds1

my sides

>>161678652
>Vanu

Get the fuck out of here spandex. NC is the only faction that should exist.

>>161678647
Because R1 spam with CCS tends to work due to their Mcdonalds Wifi when they get matched up with comcast users.

>>161678578
It has a boss healthbar, ergo it's a boss.

>>161678516
The Jap way of playing Demon's is limiting grasses to stacks of 10.

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>every once in a while for no discernable reason, when I'm on the roof area of the cathedral of the deep specifically the game crashes so bad that I have to reboot my PC
Anyone else getting this?

>>161678647
>Why do carthus curved sword users think they are fucking invincible?
Because most of the times they are.
And they effectively were before the GS poise buff

I have this bug where my game doesn't properly load zones fast enough and I fall into the abyss and die

>>161678796
>has a boss lifebar
>Taurus Demon even has a fancy intro
>they both trigger music and fog walls
>look them up as bosses in walkthroughs
>literally everyone including you outside of this one argument consider them bsses

>>161678778
>this
>this
>this
>this
>this

DS2's rolling hitbox was fucked with and weird, but the weapons hitboxes were fine, with the exception of a few grab attacks (mimic) that were meant to deliberately punish strafing/rolling.

Demon's Souls is the only game without fucked hitboxes except for great sword red/blue eye knights

>>161678839
Memory leak? That area makes my pc chug so hard it's hard to orient myself because when I turn the camera, it doesn't register the movement but when the game unchugs it goes a full 360 and I moonwalk away from a buttress into a death pit.

>>161678652
That kinda sucks but there are other good games. Thanks for reminding me though, dick.

>>161678937
Equip the abyss ring.

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>>161679078
Yeah, I got crashes in that spot on my shittop, was hoping that a gayman pc would fix it but the area still has issues.

>>161678782
Comfy hub tiers:

Majula>Nexus>DaS3 Firelink>Hunter's Dream>DaS1 Firelink

>>161677786
>1. Rolling twice in a row causes stagger

Awful idea, invade a party and that's GG if they have more brain cells than teeth and alternate attacks.

>>161678494
its not just because it looks similar, the menus are similar, the stats are similar, exploration is similar, the delivery of lore is similar, and souls takes directly from it regularly

>regenerating stamina bar
>non-regenerating health bar
>sprinting that consumes stamina
KF had these first

>poise = stability in both games
poise was adapted from enemy poise first added in king's field 3

shields as we know them in souls first appeared in shadow tower 1

so no, king's field still has way more in common.

Recap for those joining us and not willing to read the thread

-Anon starts thread talking about how he found ADP fine, and didn't seem to mind SM because he played offline
-Another anon shitposting about how DaS2 had the worst hitboxes in the series because of grab attacks
-Gets BTFO'd by several anons posting examples of other games
-Backpeddles and moves the goal post saying that only bosses of the other games have fucked up hit boxes and that DaS2's hitboxes are all broken
-Gets btfo'd again

Right now he's backpeddling harder

>>161678937
They have failed me...every last one of them...

>>161678971
are you retarded or replying to the wrong person?

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>>161679224
nah
nexus>hunter's dream>ds3 firelink>ds1 firelink>majula
majula have evil pigs and skeletons inside it, and also shitty npcs, it's even worst. The only good thing about it is the music.

>>161679287
Well this is why shields and armor and backsteps and spacing exist. Souls is way too roll-dependent.

>>161679390
Replying to the wrong person. But I am retarded too, it's just unrelated to that post.

>>161679341
From Software didn't invent regenerating stamina bars, non-regenerating health bars or sprinting that consumes stamina. You might as well call King's Field a spiritual successor to any number of games that had those first.

>>161679469
>nexus
>comfy
the only purpose it served was to suicide in after boss kill to maintain tendency

>>161679341
It would be more accurate to say that Armored Core 1 was built off of King's Field. Look at the two games and they seem to be even built on the same engine, Armored Core just being the slicker and more developed of the two.

>>161678349
>>161678104

Thanks guys, sounds like good news since I'm a fan of dark magic. Its gonna be a while until I can get Great Deep soul yet, so I'll use the lesser version in the meantime.

>>161678516
>Siegward walks in and then dies in combat/after the fight
>Biorr fucks up Penetrator and then helps you fight the dragon even if he fucking sucks
Also Biorr talks shitton in Nexus and is actually likeable unlike hurr durr imma onion knight what a sick reference to another onion knight amrite also help me cause I got trapped 10th time this week

How would Artorias and Ciaran even fug? He's twice her size.

>>161678782
>so what changed then?

Covenants and making humanity more easily attainable. IIRC in DeS the only steady source of ephemeral eyes was the merchant in the VoD.

>Old temple with no enemies and an excellent view

Damn straight it's OK.

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>>161679469
>music
nigga WHAT
those chime noises forced me to turn off the music in ds2 completely
not like i've missed much

>>161679469
Literally the same as this
>>161676653
Only difference was the DaS2 one was a grab attack, meaning you get teleported in the animation. Like it does in all the souls games.

Looks like they didn't bother to improve the hitboxes in these games.

>>161679469
Comfy is about atmosphere. The skeletons didn't respawn and the pigs were way out of the way. It had nice houses and a crestfallen dude and got quite homey with all the NPCs in it.

Hunter's Dream is more creepy than comfy, DaS 1 Firelink is over a gaping chasm, and DaS 3 Firelink is too dark and claustrphobic with everyone sitting in catacombs niches.

>>161679562
exactly, so dont pretend armored core invented them either.

>>161679607
yeah, they're still using the old king's field aiming controls arent they?

>>161679683
Love will find a way, you know it's always true.

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>>161679224
Agreed

I kinda wish the things betwixt house was a hub though desu

that house was maximum comfy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9o6jr-NJM


>tfw no chillin in the house while that maid girl bakes everyone cookies while you get to listen to the stories from the firekeepers

>>161679683
Maybe he was smaller before getting full of Abyss juice.

Maybe Ciaran was bigger before the death of Artorias caused her to get all depressed.

Maybe they'd just be creative. Hulk on womanlet relationships exist in real life.

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>>161679483
>Just equip items you don't want and play in a way you don't like because I can't deal with rolling

If I want to be a thief and use a bandit knife I don't have the luxury of range or armor or shields that are worth a damn, I rely on mobility.

what is the best level to get invaded by aldrich faithful?

PLS RESPOND

Farron GS decent now with the GS update or still parry bait weapon?

>>161679723
>hating on the Majula music
I know you just got btfo but this is uncalled for, DaS2 hater.

>>161679856
Plus Pontiff made Ciaran huge and spindly :^)

>>161680094
Parry bait always and forever. Nothing is more satisfying than 1hkoing 2cool4u edgelords after two incredibly weak breakdance moves.

>>161680094
Farron GS is not a GS, it's an UGS.
It also got nerfed in the poise patch.

>>161679954
Is the Shrine Handmaid one of these crones?

>>161679224
Nexus is fine until https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mwkyH1aUU8 plays, because then it become eerie.

What I hate the most about Dark Souls 3's lack of poise and the 5% stamina fully invincible rolling system is it makes using great weapons a chore compared to using a fast light weapon, both in PvE and PvE. If I can't poise/hyper armor in full havels with dragon tooth then what's the point in using it for my 600 damage swings when I can straight sword and get 300 damage per swing?

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>>161679591
you are just triggered because i put majula in the last place.

>>161679725
i wasnt going to post that webm, yeah all souls games have shitty hitboxes sometimes, but i only really noticed it in ds2 and it only bothered me in this game

>>161679831
still wasn't safe, it was a broken place with cliffs around just like firelink, and it was also full of autists.

>>161679954
this would be good but the old women are assholes.

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>>161680225
>tfw you unlock and dead angle the drift moves to btfo parry spammers

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>>161679683
>How would Artorias and Ciaran even fug?

More like why.

>>161680252
I'm pretty sure DS2 has almost zero lore ties to DS3 and happened far away so no, it's just an old and extremely greedy asshole who tends to the firelink when there's no one else around.

>>161680252
yes

>>161680252
No, she's the queen of Lothric, because item descriptions imply only the queen bothered hanging around the Untended Graves.

>>161680414
>tfw it doesn't matter because you can literally parry behind you now and FUGs has shit poise damage
sikk dance moves tho

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>>161680378
fucking this.

I made a tanky zweihander wielding guy as my first character and it's awful. I never usually make that kind so I decided to try something different than the dex fag or mage characters I made in the previous two games. Turns out this was a terrible mistake. DaS 3 is the worst possible game to play this kind of character in.

I fucking mad

>>161679683
have you never went to /gif/?

>>161680415
epic autism dude. this is just the default face of the character creator. the daughter of chaos before bed of chaos also have this face.

>>161680414
I did not mean to post this image.

>>161680415
Ciaran is female Wojak

>>161680381
>still wasn't safe, it was a broken place with cliffs around just like firelink
It was a beautiful seaside view and except for where Crestfallen was sitting was quite secure.

>>161680585
>play DaS
>be gough armor wearing great club badass
>have fun

>play DaS3
>wear comfy fashion because armor doesnt matter using greatclub
>give up and respec and use anri's because whats great weapons arent viable

i hate dark souls 3

>>161680463
There's references enough that you can interpret the land of giants King Vendrick invaded as being Lordran. It's about as concrete as anything in this "did u rike it?" speculation fest of a series.

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>make a bardiche
>call it a halberd

>>161680252
Milibeth in DaS2 says that there were 4 firekeeper sisters, but you can only see 3 in the house, so the grandma in DaS3 might be the lost 4th one.

>>161680626
Epic butthurt, waifufag.

>>161680546
But the Queen of Lothric is Gwynevere is Rosaria.

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>>161680775
>tfw playing as a STR build with greatbows and actually believable weapons like maces and axes in ds3 and having a blast
I will never understand overcompensating ugs babies.

Hawkwood > DaS1 Crestfallen > DeS Crestfallen = DaS2 Crestfallen

>>161680832
>make a bardiche
>call it a scythe

>>161680846
When I first saw Aldia I thought he was actually a horribly mutated 4th sister that had merged with a bonfire or some shit. Your explanation makes as much sense as any.

>>161680832
>make a bardiche
>call it a "scythe" for two games
>"fix" it in the third by calling it a "glaive"

>>161680585
Is the concept of hyper armor too hard to understand to you?

>>161680827
>There's references enough that you can interpret the land of giants King Vendrick invaded as being Lordran
That's just another retarded headcanon on the same level as "Aldia is the first scholar of grand archives".

>>161680695
>tfw you never got the dicc

>>161681020
I'd never used an UGS before. I like variety. And the Zweihänder is a real weapon.

>>161681030
DaS2 Crestfallen>DaS1 Crestfallen> Hawkwood> DeS Crestfallen

>>161680965
The localization for the Divine Blessing is fucked up, the Japanese says the queen was "likened" to the goddess of fertility, not worshiped as one.

>>161680719
nah. there are not even fences(maybe some shitty broken ones i dont remember very well) and you would not survive if you fell.

>>161680897
I don't even like Ciaran but that's like saying that the darkmoon knightess don't have scars because you can't see them ingame.

>>161681030
des crestfallen had more character and was way more interesting than ds2 crestfallen.

>>161681030
This is correct.
I was REALLY fucking surprised with Hawkwood.
I'm just giving nigga the dragon head stone by losing to him on every playthrough, not like i need it and he seems to be adamant on following path of the dragon till the end.

>>161681110
I understand it, but it's a stupid gamey mechanic and a poor substitution for real poise. It's also weird being a heavy tank ninja rolling everywhere. I never asked for this.

>>161681152
"Retarded headcanon" is the only reason anyone ever says "Dark Souls has deep lore"

>>161681090
but Aldia was Vendrick's brother even before the scholar update

>>161680775
>Play ds1
Forced to use extremely heavy armor to effectively use a greatweapon
>Play ds3
You can use a greatweapon naked and you can tank through hits, poise is worth investing in but not neccessary.

>>161681238
>I don't even like Ciaran

Of course, I'm sure that your lack of interest is why you're having a sperg session right now.

>>161681347
I didn't know the big fire thing was Aldia when I first saw it erupt from a bonfire.

>>161681216
>DaS2 Crestfallen
>doesn't do anything
>better than hawkwood and DaS1 crestfallen who eventually muster up the courage to do something after seeing someone else succeed

>>161681426
And DS3's great weapons are overall still better than DS1's.
In DS1 they are just fucking backstab magnets and most of their movesets are garbage.

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>>161681216
Saulden is a pretty swell guy. Gives you several items to help you out and a covenant, has a sort of mentor attitude towards you in giving you information and saying "I will always be here... watching over you...", actually cheers up a little once you bring more NPCs back to town. Also has an official comic.
I'd put Hawkwood over DaS1 guy though.

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>>161680832
>>161681090

>>161681426
>armor is worthless
>this is good

And plenty of people used great weapons naked in DaS 1 anyway.

>>161681460
Pointing out that you're wrong isn't a sperg session anon

>>161681343
>It's also weird being a heavy tank ninja rolling everywhere.
>visions of ninja flipping havelmonsters in DaS1

>>161681216
ds2's crestfallen is fucking awful, the fuck you're smoking nigga

>>161681513
>unlocked greatweapons could infinite-combo you to death in 1
>in 3 you get your two-hit tax and the enemy rolls away

Wow dude...

>>161679610
Just a warning, your build is going to be extremely fucking crippled if you use purely dark magic. In dks 3, dark magic was meant to support certain kinds of casters. That's why deep sous has pure int scaling, because int has no form of high tracking projectiles without it. Pure dark caster only has the Deep Souls, the shitty dark greatsword spell, and affinity to use. Limiting yourself to those 3-4 good dark spells in pvp is pure agony, everybody will just roll through everything.

>>161681597
>>visions of ninja flipping havelmonsters in DaS1
I didn't like that either. I'm not a DaS 1 nostalgiafag.

>>161681665
>toggle out on first hit
>parry your second hit because lmao parriable greatweapons
>nothen personnel

>>161681693
>DLC didn't add a single Dark spell
>added TWO shitty sorceries that no one will ever use

How much poise do I need to hyper armor through a GS with another GS? Isn't it like 36?

>>161681595
>Pointing out that you're wrong

The fact that you think there's something to be wrong about is what makes this a sperg session.

>>161681792
snap freeze is golden for low-level invasions

>>161681481
>>161681641
not him but the ds2 crestfallen had the best dialogue to me

He really gave off that "everythings fucked" vibe very well


"To be alive…to walk this earth… That's the real curse right there."

>>161681778
Toggling was some bullshit too. DaS 2 really had the best PVP in the series.

>>161681778
I miss when gamebreaking glitches weren't common knowledge.

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>>161681534
saulden is nothing like the other crestfallens, he don't have a ironic nihilistic memes, he is just a random sad guy.
>What’s happened, Have you lost your nerve?
>No matter. Have a seat; we can sit here forever!
>At least we will be safe!
>Hahahahah…

>Oh, your face! You're practically Hollow.
>But who knows, going Hollow could solve quite a bit!
>Hah hah hah hah…

how can saulden even compete?

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>>161681909

>>161681909
This. He had a more than one note personality.

Tbf I'm biased against Hawkwood because I fucked up his quest totally on my first playthrough so barely talked to him at all.

>>161681960
>DaS 2 really had the best PVP in the series.
When patched, yeah.
Then again, DaS1 was even worse before patches too, with ninjaflipping Haveldads wielding Zaphanders. Has any Souls game had non-horrible PvP on release?

>>161681796
40 for every second hit 52 for every single hit

>>161681971

Are you implying toggling broke the game? DaS1 PvP would be garbage without it.

>>161682075
this image always gets me

>>161682115
No. That's why I haven't written off DaS 3 yet. It may well be fixed eventually. Even if it's in 2020 with some SotFS style re-release mandated by President Trump.

>>161682115
Ds3 probably had least broken pvp on launch.

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>DaS 2 really had the best PVP in the series
sure it did

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>>161682286

>>161681110
Poise was an interesting mechanic because it was unique. I can't think of another game off the top of my head that prevents stuns passively based on what you're wearing.

Hyperarmor is boring and should be taken for granted. The ability to follow through a long windup attack should always be a thing, else no one would use those weapons because they would be too easy to punish by just going up and mashing R1, knowing that you cannot get punished because your weapon is faster and stuns them. You know what's wrong with Hyperarmor though? The stuff that Hyperarmor is supposed to prevent happens anyway too often.

>>161682330
>jester chest
thank god they got rid of that shit in DS3

>>161682013
MEMES

Recently I replayed DaS1 but with the twist of playing as a sorcerer instead of a swordsman, how the hell does anyone commit to playing the entire game that way? I tried, but it just wasn't fun, and I found myself creating another character who uses swords.

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>>161682013
>saulden is nothing like the other crestfallens
None of the crestfallens are quite like each other if you want to nitpick.

DeS guy is completely hopeless and eventually goes mad before his spirit fades away. He has no name and no relevance to anything that happens in the game, and is basically just a setpiece with dialogue to illustrate the aftermath of losing your body form and falling to the insanity spreading through the realm.

DaS1 guy, as you mentioned, is a nihilistic memer, an adventurer like you who arrived in Lordran before you, gathered some information, tried fighting his way through but ultimately gave up after failing too much. After the player's successes, he feels a burst of motivation, but hitting another wall in his misguided attempt to take on New Londo Ruins breaks his spirit for good and he goes hollow. A tragic tale, juxtaposed to Saulden's more optimistic fate.

Hawkwood isn't even all that crestfallen, he's just kind of bitter out of being kicked out of the Artorias fanclub. He then randomly with zero foreshadowing (yes, he phantoms for you in the Consumed King's garden, but why?) develops an interest in becoming a dragon. He does things, more than any other Crestfallen, but he's the least sad of the sad sitting men™ to begin with.

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>>161682474
>crit gauntlets randomly doing 800 per a single hit with estoc
>headgear that gave infinite spell charges
>cat leggings that gave you fall damage resist
DS2 has the largest amount of ridiculously ugly gear that was plain better than anything else in the game.

>>161682286
Yeah you gotta expect that when being a duelfag.

>>161682286
>people do Twitchspins in 3 too
>recently started doing PvP in what's left of DaS1
>see it there too on occasion for whatever reason

Who spawned this silliness?

>>161682505
Magic in Dark Souls is an accessory to regular combat and not your sole damage source.

Also they get way way more powerful later on to the point of nearly one-shotting bosses with Pursuers.

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>>161682474
Is it okay if I used it on a Landsknecht build?

>>161682286
>turtlestoc with jester chest
It was still the best when the players participating the pvp weren't complete morons like that. You made your choice and made the pvp boring for yourself, others didn't.

>>161680378
>>161680585
ROPE FIREBOMBS.

This shit is crazy with UGS and can chain 3-5 hit combos using them. It costs no stamina to drop one, does 150 damage average and completely protects you from roll BS attempts and combos into an R1 if you're fast enough. There's no better feeling than completely shitting on your enemy every single second of the fight.

>>161682589
>cat leggings that gave you fall damage resist
So did Sanctum Knight leggings without being ugly though.

>>161682701
That's a pretty cool idea anon. Novelty cosplay builds area always welcome

>>161682663
scott in 2.

>>161682538
>with zero foreshadowing
He was trying to find a new purpose in life. Stumbling upon path of the dragon, ideology that is focused around transcending the life and death, probably sounds really alluring for an undead who already lost all hope in life.

>>161682286
>duels
LOL

>>161682764
>So did Sanctum Knight leggings

holy shit you're right, i never knew that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNXBrGd3Nc4
timeless classic

>>161682757
I'm gonna try this, thanks Anon.

>>161682870
What else would you ever do in DS2?
Invade? You're forced to farm orbs in some way and the most logical one is tied to the arena. And even then you're buttfucked by myriad of things DS2 does wrong with invasions.

>>161682505

If you like point & click games magic would probably be fun.

>>161682701
>Jester chest
>Bell Guardian leggings
>maskless Mirrah hat
>gloves of your choice
>Zweihander
>Pike
>optionally Halberd or Partizan, maybe a crossbow

Sounds comfy.

>>161682996
Make a twink with the agape ring and ascetic an early area so I can draw invaders around 30k SM into a seeded +10 world.

>>161681960
>dks 1 has an infinite combo
>toggle escape out and shit on your opponent
>dks 2 has six different ways to infinitely stunlock somebody
>??????

>>161682842
That's called reaching. The more likely explanation is that they wanted an NPC for dragon dildo content but didn't feel like making a new one, and they noticed they barely did anything with the mandatory Sad Sitting Knight NPC anyway.

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>>161682701

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>>161682505
Souls games never had a really good magic system
Even my favorite in that regard, bloodborne, has a very mediocre one, just fun unlike shit from the souls series.
Play in good CRPGs if you want to feel a real fun from magic.

>>161682842
It mightve been more evident what he was doing if they decided to update us on the fact that he managed to kill Dancer and Oceiros while breakdancing all over them. Ever since Solaire said that time was convoluted and heroes were popping in and out of eachother's worlds, I never understood what that meant lore-wise until DaS3 when I realized that Firelink is basically a meet-up hub. Anyone who stays can see us whenever, but once they leave, theyre just back off to their world. So when Hawkwood leaves, everyone just thinks he's fucked off in their world, when he actually has been doing shit in his own.
Of course he never lets us know this, so we never expect him to just now want to murder him for a stone I have yet to ever use.

>>161683126
>getting invaders
>in ds2
Good luck with that.

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Cute!!

>>161682996
SM and orb farming are the only things wrong with DaS 2 invasions

>>161682996
>You're forced to farm orbs
Once, and then you just use save backups.
>myriad of things DS2 does wrong with invasions
Other than Soul Memory and Cracked Orbs, which are bypassed through save backups, there's really not much. DaS2 had the best invasion balance compared to 1 which significantly favored the invader and 3 which significantly favors the host, thanks to mechanics such as disabling Phantom healing with an invader in the world.

inb4 "you can't pass through enemies" even though pushing them out of the way amounts to the same.

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>>161683282
>all ashen ones exist at once, they just visit firelink in different times
>there's only one firekeeper and she serves all of them
slut

>>161683228
I've never played a game with a good magic system. Do any exist?
People praised Dragon's Dogma's magic system for some bizarre reason. I picked it up on the recent Steam sale and the game is decently fun, but the magic is just "stand still while holding down a button for like 10 seconds and hope nothing interrupts you, then let go and watch the cinematic FX play out" which is hardly riveting from a gameplay sense, and stops being cool after you've seen the same spell a dozen times.

>>161683374
>cannot use any switches, open 90% of doors or operate 90% of elevators

>cannot phase through any enemies effectively locking you out of parts of the levels

>cannot heal with consumables while host has 10 types of them 9 of which go to 99 stack

>seeds, which also mean you can't even heal with miracles in peace by running to enemies

>host and his butt buddies are able to turtle in warmth which is even harder to punish than estus in ds3

>hosts can chug on a ladder which is extremely hard to punish in certain locations

>even if host dies he won't lose his souls because 90% of playerbase is rocking ring of sacrifice you can repair

>insanely short invasion time limit

>abundance of shit invasion spots, some of them can potentially lock you out of reaching the host permanently

>host can clear the area from enemies permanently so you end up losing the only invader advantage completely

>there IS a priority system which makes hollow hosts least preferable targets and coop partners the most

>you can be damaged during backstab animation

>npc phantoms with 5k hp and infinite spells everywhere in sotfs

>almost no chance of ever being summoned as a bluefag because host needs to dedicate a ring slot for something that won't occur in vast majority of situations as getting randomly invaded in ds2 is almost impossible

>insane amount of duelfag pandering at expense of everyone else, with arena being the worst offender

>abundance of baby-mode items like jester top pummeling already low skill ceiling even lower

>>161683360
>Implying it's hard to get invaded in a game that has good connectivity and lets you get invaded while hollow

What's next, gonna tell me that the belltowers are dead? I don't disagree that DS2 handled a lot of online stuff badly but it's disingenuous to say that there aren't things to do for PvP.

>>161682663
People spun around in 1 because it took so long to go from jog -> sprint speed to do a running R1.

People spun around in 2 because the game had no depth, with the only "tech" in the game being "spin around in circles like a retard because the netcode is so poor that the game can't even keep up with the character models"

People do it in 3 because the only people who didn't give up on souls pvp after the trainwreck that was 2 are people who unironically enjoyed 2's god awful pvp.

>>161683525
OR, even better yet
>All Ashen Ones exist in their own world
>The link between worlds is stronger at bonfires, which is apparent by player's ghosts being fully fleshed out while near one
>Firelink is the strongest bonfire link of all, and allows undead to fully interact with eachother, all while remaining anchored to their world
>But apparently NPCs can die too
>Or maybe they're part of your world too?
>And they all have their own Firekeeper
Basically what Im getting at is there are hundreds of thousands of Firekeepers just beyond the thin veil between worlds

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Is Dark Firelink supposed to be what the world is like if the flame goes out? Doesn't seem so bad.

>>161683717
Nigga I just spin around because its fun
Fuck your passive behavior, Im gonna spin

>>161679845
AC has never used King's Field aiming, and they've changed the aiming and controls a lot.

Controls have ALWAYS been customizable though, unlike DS/KF. You could set any control to anything you want, and it's sort of necessary in order to play the game.

AC1 - PP - MOA -AC2 (1997-2000, 4 games): No analog, auto-lock on within moveable aiming box. All weapons share single lock

AC2:AA - AC3- ACSL (2001-2003, 3 games), 1 analog, auto lock on within moveable aiming box. All weapons share single lock

ACNX - ACNB - ACFF - ACLR (2003-2005, 4 games) dual analog, auto lock on within moveable aiming box. Simultaneous weapons have their own lock on. Also includes


AC4 - ACFA (2006 - 2008, 2 games) dual analog, progressive, moving lock on across the entire screen (edges = less accurate) Simultaneous weapons have their own lock on

ACV - ACVD (2010 - 2013, 2 games) dual analog, fixed lock box on screen, Simultaneous weapons have their own lock on

So yeah, they have DEFINITELY changed things a lot over time. Controls have always been customizable though. That's one thing I hate about dark souls, but the controls in dark souls are a lot easier than AC, so it makes sense that a custom scheme would be less required.

>>161683627
oh boy this pasta again

After the last few patches, have I missed my chance to do invasions with the profaned GS or UGS's in general?

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>>161683717
>People ran in circles in 1 because the game had depth
>People ran in circles in 2 because the games had no depth

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>>161683632
DS2 DID NOTHING RIGHT
NOTHING
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>161681693
I'm not playing pure spellcaster. I use magic to supplement melee.

Also, you entirely forgot to mention the dark pyromancies, which are pretty good afaik.

>>161683893
the first AC aiming scheme was the exact same as king's field my man, have you played both?

R1/L1 to control camera, R2/L2 to strafe

>>161683914
>No answer

>>161681792
I enjoy snap freeze, most people are too retarded to get out of the way in time.

>>161683812
Yeah I didn't get that either. It's pretty much the same, just dark as shit.

>>161684107
People have given you answers for all that shit many times in this thread. You just keep on spergin'

>>161682757
How?

>>161684178

Post the copypasta response for all of those things then.

I've never even played DaS2 I just want the full copypasta to save for future reference and lulz.

>>161683627
>cannot phase through any enemies effectively locking you out of parts of the levels
You can push them, same thing.
>cannot heal with consumables while host has 10 types of them 9 of which go to 99 stack
No one except CE users had 99 stacks of anything but lifegems, which were slow and punishable. Divine Blessings stacked to 99 in DaS1, are you saying this was relevant in every single invasion too?
>seeds, which also mean you can't even heal with miracles in peace by running to enemies
Extremely rare, one reason being that they weren't literally in the fucking hub.
>host and his butt buddies are able to turtle in warmth which is even harder to punish than estus in ds3
And how common was this? And you could just fight them for the Warmth effect, because fighting multiple foes in 2 wasn't as impossible as it is in 3.
>hosts can chug on a ladder which is extremely hard to punish in certain locations
How is this hard to punish?
>insanely short invasion time limit
10 minutes per invasion is "insanely short" now? There's also a phantom timer which goes down faster with each PvE kill, so the host's buttbuddies will often also time out mid-invasion.
>abundance of shit invasion spots, some of them can potentially lock you out of reaching the host permanently
Name some.
>host can clear the area from enemies permanently so you end up losing the only invader advantage completely
Literally no one does this on purpose. Seeing perma-dead enemies is a good sign, it means the host is an utter shitter who can only progress by repeatedly suiciding until enemies stop spawning.
>there IS a priority system which makes hollow hosts least preferable targets and coop partners the most
Still fucks the invader less than 3 due to overall combat mechanics.
>you can be damaged during backstab animation
Severely reduced damage taken, and this was clearly a PvE-oriented change anyway, but fair.

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>finally get priestess ring
>now I can bump up my 55 faith to 60 so I can use points for other stuff
>replace morne's ring with it
>actually do less damage with miracles
what the fuck was the point?

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>>161679224
>Majula at the top
Maybe nighttime Majula.
I love the idea of a super comfy nighttime village with torches lit and a waifu around a cozy bonfire. Then when you people move in they light little torches outside of their shops.

Firenexuslink from Dark Souls 3 was the comfiest tho'.
I like all the little set decorations next to the NPCs which indicate that they don't just shit out their items from thin air, they actually have physical 'shops' that exist and that they peddle their goods from.

Well, except Yuria/Patches.

Also, I find it pretty weird how the NPCs sit with their asses in water. I know it's a videogame but sitting with your ass in water and with wet clothes is uncomfortable as fuck, man.

Firenexus link is fucking comfy overall, especially when you take a little walk to the outside and explore the crumbled ruin.

Instead of a ranking, I'll just say which hubs were the best in different regards:

Comfiest:
>Firenexuslink from DS3

Best interaction with characters:
>Nexus

Best workage as a central hub for the game:
>Firelink Shrine from DS1

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>>161683529
>I've never played a game with a good magic system. Do any exist?
CRPGs, as i said. Mostly party-based like Baldur's Gate or Might and Magic 6 but there's exceptions like Underrail with its brilliant psi system.
Almost no action-oriented game does magic right unless you count the games where protagonist just has multiple supernatural abilities like Dishonored.
Another cool game is Magicka, really unique casting system.

People really need to eat shit by ever mentioning dragon's dogma in a list of good magic systems. Primitive nukes, a few buffs, that's all. By the time you cast High Maelstrom for the tenth time it already gets seriously fucking old and stale.

>>161684361
They weren't responded to with copypasta.

>>161684383
>No one except CE users had 99 stacks of anything but lifegems
You do realize how easy it is to farm a full inventory of blessings and other shit in DS2?

>>161684471
>Maybe nighttime Majula.
>I love the idea of a super comfy nighttime village with torches lit and a waifu around a cozy bonfire. Then when you people move in they light little torches outside of their shops.
I wish this was in game.

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>>161682701
>filename

>>161684383
>npc phantoms with 5k hp and infinite spells everywhere in sotfs
DaS2 has the most braindead NPC phantoms in the series. Some of them will get stuck gesturing at you.
>almost no chance of ever being summoned as a bluefag
How is this unique to 2? All three Dark Souls games have fucked blueberry mechanics for different reasons. At least 2 was the best game for blue invasions, and the autosummon mechanic was just an alternative, not the sole focus of the covenant.
>insane amount of duelfag pandering at expense of everyone else, with arena being the worst offender
As of AoA, every single Dark Souls game has an arena. Also, you yourself brought up lack of Dark Spirit healing, which suggests being -against- the standard form of duelfaggotry (i.e. Iron Keep bridge) unless using Dragon covenant signs. And Dragons were the duelfag covenant back in DaS1 too.
>abundance of baby-mode items like this one single item

>>161683717
>People do it in 3 because the only people who didn't give up on souls pvp after the trainwreck that was 2 are people who unironically enjoyed 2's god awful pvp.

wat

>>161684493
>>161683529

The magic in Dark Messiah: Might & Magic is pretty cool. Its not a very deep system and doesn't have many spells, but the ways in which the spells interact with the environment is pretty cool.

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>>161683365

>>161684493
Baldur's Gate's magic system was an unbalanced buff fest.

>>161683717
Sorry Miyazacuck, 3 is the game with no depth and 1 only has depth due to a trillion glitches that never got fixed. 2 is the game with the most depth on an intended design level.

>>161684441
Your FTH is too high for the priestess ring to be worthwhile unless you're trying to meet requirements for something or increase scaling on a weapon. The miracle rings increase offensive miracles by a percentage, with your FTH as high as it is those rings are worth more than more FTH.