/domg/ - Dominions General

What mythology is MA Ulm supposed to represent?

>>161668503
Germany?

What's wrong with LA already? I know that wizards play differently and are usually less versatile, but that's all.

Who is the blastiest mage without communions? I am leaning towards Basalt Kings.

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>100 gold worth of commanders
>205 gold worth of mages
>440 gold worth of archers
>380 gold worth of spearmen
>1200 gold worth of elephants
>in exchange for a few sneks
Sound investment, Berry. You sure killed some sneks.

Not that this is some spectacular or astounding military victory, but now that I see my demise approaching, I'll savour everything I can get.
I'm still baffled that you haven't removed me 20 turns ago, I've been the underdog this entire war.

>>161668898
Recruitable mage I mean. No super demon summons or things like that.

>>161668898
>>161669012
Probaly Bouda or Spire Horn/Caelian Seraphim in a storm.

>>161668635
Everyone good is blood
Everyone else is shit

>>161668898
I'd say evocation 9 researched and any of the big boys who are able to pull of the W5/F5 spells boosted or with gems.

How do you beat E9N9?

>>161668398
Posting it again.

>>161669241
Blood is shit. It's immoral and bad.

At what experience amounts do you get stars, and what were the effects of each star, again?

>>161669303
E9N9 on what? Strategies will differ depending on what it's blessing

>>161668928
>only 50 ants
What happened?

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>>161669493
Each start gives you a promotion. I think the experience thresholds were 20/60/120/200

>>161669241
In EA, Agartha and Fomoria are quite a bit better than Hinnom and Abysia.

MA Xibalba remains shit in spite of having blood.

>>161669554
Armored elite berserkers.

Today in CanIntoHost:

Eriu siege stack of blessed elves routed by unconscious Wraith Lord.

>Unexpected event
>Calf is born with 3 heads
>Turmoil +2 wich equals to the entire province going apeshit barbaric just because a calf was born mutated
Fucking commoners

>>161670031
Just imagine Turmoil +3 that would've resulted from a four-headed calf.

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>>161669982

Forgot the screenshot.

>>161669834
nigga just tell us the name of the unit

>>161670747
It's nationgen.

>>161670847
Is it those 3 attacks (two of which are magical) size 3 large HP Berserk 7 dudes? because those are ridiculous, and there's no cost effective way to deal with them. Spam out elementals or evo or whatever and accept that you'll have to put out significantly more gold and mage support than the dude using them because they're just overpowered.

>>161670967
Also, everyone in that game should be ganging up on the person using them, because it's trivial for them to roll over multiple players with those guys if you don't team up to stop him.

>>161670847
Can you post a screencap of their statline?

>>161670967
What Nation?

>>161671509
I think Tisor? I don't remember for sure, but it's the ones with the flail (has 2 attacks) and a bite attack.

>>161669702
Yeah, but each star had different effects. I think all of them gave +1 morale, and most or all of them increased att, def and prec, but only some gave +str and only IIRC the fourth star reduced enc by 1.

>>161669734
>MA Xib is shit
Ways are still the number one blood searcher in the game and recruitable in any forest

>>161672179
>the number one blood searcher
How do they beat Mictlan priests? 140g vs 65g is a huge difference, and for a pure blood searcher you don't need N2 or flying or turning into a jaguar.

If it's solely because forest-rec, eh. Maybe. Definitely a good benefit.

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>>161670967
>>161671829
Yes, those are the guys I'm worried about. Actually, I have no plans of going to war with the, but still, they're scary. Here it is blessed and berserk. The HP was 35 to start with, which rounds to four HP regenerated per turn.

>>161669419
So is claiming godhood though, and sending young men to die horribly in your selfish wars.

>>161673442
Shit, that's true.

>>161673442
Eh, not sure claiming godhood is immoral, doesn't it depends if the god is going to be evil or good? Besides in a world where everyone is racing for it you might as well male sure the next ruler of all creation is a good one.
However I do agree sending people to die for you is immoral. But I was wondering, If X pretender wins can't he just decide to resurrect all soldiers who died or make them go to his own Heaven?

>>161673364
Yep, those are the ones. They're like burning ones, but harder hitting, more hp, vastly higher prot, str, attack, MR, etc. They're basically better in every way except for their fire shield

>>161673364
>26 prot

Well then.

>>161673275
Ways get a 90% vs a 50% of finding slaves, can fly to get to places fast, can make wolves/foul spawn for insta patrollers, and can cast some decent combat spells without using slaves. Also don't need a fort/temple/lab, just a lab.

>>161673364
Spam gifts from heaven, if you can, or powerful fire stuff, or maybe something like Se'irim.

>>161674284
oh shit right, blood searcher 1
well ok then

>>161673980
But if you lose then they will surely be punished for standing against the true god.

>>161674182
But hey they have only 2 defence while berserking. You're bound to get some hits in.

>>161674473
Critical hits halve their prot. So in other words, it's going to be 13.

>>161673754
Embrace it. Mortals are simply a tool, or in the case of Blood magic, a bargaining chip.

>>161674604
After 20 rounds of combat, sure.

>>161674604
>>161674821
Or wait, no - it's never going to happen because E9. Or rather, it won't be particularly very likely until past the autorout timer. GOOD LUCK

I think your best bet is to spam AN stuff at them that also isn't MR-negates because they have 17 MR too for some reason. so... lightning evo. A dickload of crossbows will eventually whittle them down (bearing in mind that regular crossbows will average -2 damage, so they'll only even tickle them a little under 1/3rd of the time) and the same goes for spammed high-AP damage stuff like elementals

Your best bet, strategically, is going to be to attack their land with all of their other neighbors. Sure they'll be able to crush your armies because their sacreds are stupid, but if everyone attacks them at once then they'll still lose ground since they just won't be able to cover everything.

>>161675091
>that regular crossbows will average -2 damage
a tad more, won't it? Since piercing damage reduces their prot by 20%.

11 damage xbow vs 26 prot
prot is halved (AP), and 80% effective (piercing). 26*.5*.75 = 10.4 (round up or down?)

So you're at like 10 + DRN vs 11 + DRN if it rounds down. Joy.

>>161675091
Well, they still take fatigue even with reinvigoration 4. Stellar Cascades spam would put them to sleep. Too bad nobody has that.

>crossbows
In order to not have them fully healed by next turn, you need to do four damage per unit. That means you want more than a dozen crossbows per one of them. With fifteen crossbows per one, you should be able to whittle them down in 35 turns. 24 crossbows per one will take them out in about 8 or 9 turns, so if you're facing an army of thirty of them (not an unreasonable number) you're going to need more than seven hundred crossbows to win in a reasonable timeframe. And that's assuming these guys don't plow through your front line and kill the crossbows first.

>>161674774
But I want to be a god that leads mankind. Like, I dunno, a Boddhisava of Mercy.

Slaanesh and tzeentch, you guys on discord at all?

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>>161676147
That comes after your ascension. You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

>>161676560
Nope. Just send it in game.

>>161668928

Well Machaka, getting fed gems by another player tends to prolong wars.

Hey my good friend who responded to my message.

I've sent you 30, can you send them this turn as well? Need them as quickly as possible.

Also while I'm in here, Vanheim, if you can liberate my capital from these Marignese barbarians, I will support you for the rest of the game.

>>161677601
Vanheim is CoolStory. Your best shot is to hit him up on Steam or dm him on Discord.

>>161676147
Then take F and N and cast The Kindly Ones, unleash your divine fury on those who would harm innocent women!
Is The Kindly Ones buffed in summod? If not it should get one, blood nations really need a late game counter

>>161678525
"""""""COUNTER"""""""

But yeah, that's a thing he said he was considering, and I'm down with it too.

Strong blood counters will, of course, out on the same patch that Oceania gets blood.

>>161677302
To be fair, I got my first and only shipment of gems about three turns ago.

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Just a little reminder, /domg/ will play against /rlg/ tomorrow in the /vg/ League. The schedule says it'll be at 19:30, but you should never trust it to be very accurate. Further information can be found on the wiki: http://www.implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_7

>>161678953

19:30 what time? CET?

>>161679019
UTC

>>161678953
Don't fug this up.

Game: Conjunction
Turn number 3
Next turn due: 02:47 GMT on Saturday December 3rd

Abysia 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Jotunheim 2h file received
>>>>>>>>>Machaka Waiting for 2h file
Man 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Vanarus 2h file received
Ys 2h file received

Last updated at 23:09 GMT on Friday December 2nd

REEEEEEEEE SPIDER NIGGERS DO TURN

>>161678717

There are entirely sensible reasons for Blood to not work underwater. It'd just wash away and such.

>>161679019

God why are there so many timezone names. UTC is just pretty much GMT. Which is the same as CET-1. And the same as EST+5

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>>161678953
If I snapped off every limb of a monster like that, would she die?

>>161679257
Yeah, they need shores to hunt, but then they summon shark fiends and devil rays and EliteZeon made some dank sprites and it'll be great.

>>161679364

UTC is GMT sans Daylight Savings. This makes sense for servers and such.

>>161679942

Oh that's nice. The timezones always gets messy when daylight saving starts.

>>161679634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWo9N9nNJT8

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>>161679252
Arigatou ne~

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>>161680000
Nice quads my man

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Remember to drink milk its good for your bone structure.

>This message was sponsored by the Ermor Necromancy Guild

ashen thread

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>>161683532

>>161683532
I always wondered how weaponized skeletons would be like. The only ones I know are the skeleton wheels in Dark Souls, otherwise they're left at their own devices.

Oh, and the revenants from Doom too I guess.

>>161685254
if i were to design a skeleton nation they would be trans-human skeletons that bonecraft themselves into giant warmachines and giants made up of smaller skeletons

>>161685421
Can you make mod units that split into multiple units when they die?

>>161685421
skeleton golem
skeleton-piloted skeleton golem
skeleton-piloted skeleton golem casting rain of skeletons

>>161685565
deathshape with further modfuckery might work

>>161685421

Give me ten minutes to see if I can track down that old /tg/ thread with the skelecopters.

>>161685421
>skeletons archers
>they shoot bones over the walls
>defenders don't understand
>then a bone catapult throws a few skulls
>skeletons start forming inside the fortress

>>161685624

You forgot skeletons riding other, giant skeletons.

>>161685757
If only fields of the dead worked like that

>>161685565
might nagot gick fel on sufficiently large battles

>>161686042
Illwinter's questionable coding won't stop me from realizing my dream of recursive skeleton skeletons

>>161686285
Worm Mage sorta works like that

>>161685757
Holy shit lol

Bob Agartha, are you here? Wanted to do some talking.

>>161687846
What about a national battle spell that summons some reforming skeletons?

>>161686285
Hmm. How about giving the dyingshape an autospell that summons 2 or more partial skeletons or whatever and kills the dyingshape?

>>161685421
>>161685757
This is the proper way to necromance.

>>161688329
Sorry forgot my name

>>161689151
I don't know anything about modding but that sounds like it could work, you'd just have to be careful that the battlefield doesn't fill up completely by keeping the sizes of the lesser skeletons controlled

>>161689151
>>161689514
Basically, spells like Swarm and HoS have a check built into the spell before it's cast to see if there's room on the battlefield for it. Even something as simple as making one of them a 'nextspell' effect can cause the game to crash because that check is removed and the battlefield can be overfilled.

What you can do is give it a death-shape thing (skelepart a) that summons a second thing (skelepart b) without the autospell, but if the autospell thing waits until the start of skelepart b's turn to cast, it might still cause issues. I'm not even sure how to properly test this.

>>161689514
It would make sense and be pretty easy to make sure that the sum of the sizes of the smaller skeletons is equal to or less than the size of the larger skeleton.

A size 6 giant skeleton dies into a size 3 ogre skeleton and three size 1 incomplete skeletons.
A size 3 ogre skeleton dies into a size 2 man skeleton and one size 1 incomplete skeleton.
A size 2 man skeleton dies into two size 1 incomplete skeletons.

Although probably with some degree of randomness with those merely as the caps.

Test

How does patrolling work?

Game: Degeneracy
Turn number 51
Next turn due: 03:51 GMT on Saturday December 3rd

Agartha Waiting for 2h file
Atlantis 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Ulm 2h file received

There are approximately two hours left in the turn, my friends.

>>161691676
Tell me about the Lemurian.

>>161691832
Two of my beloved neighbors have gone AI. However, if anything the continuing 1v3 will be more difficult than the 1v5 as the remaining members of my harem develop their own innovations to counter the undead. =)

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>>161691962
I'm cheering for you, Lemuria-tan!

>>161691551

Put units on commander, patrol. It kills population that dissents. More units = better patrol. I think it's based on some stat, I think it was precision? I do know for a fact that fliers are like double or tripple as effective as normal patrollers.

>>161691551
It lowers unrest and creates corpses, and raises your chances to capture (read : engage in combat and murder) sneaking units.

so what does the shorthand stand for in terms of magic. Im trying to learn the game and using a guide and they suggest to build a pretender F9 E4 S4, and I know that F is Fire and E is Earth, but none of the magic types start with S so im really lost there.

>>161693437
aStral, because A is Air

>>161693437
Fire
Earth
Air
aStral
Death
Blood

Protip : in a multiplayer game, do NOT give one point of astral to your pretender.

>>161693480
>>161693605
Thanks guys, Also that makes a ton of sense I forgot that A was taken, also this is just a regular game vs AI but why would I not want any Astral in multiplayer?

>>161693707
He specifically meant don't give only 1 point because of a spell called Magic Duel
3 plus should be safe unless you are facing high astral nations like R'lyeh

>>161693707
Because there's a spell, magic duel if I remember right, which is based on your astral skill.
So having one astral is a risk, since a S2 mage can attack your pretender and cripple him.

>>161693707
There's a spell called Magic Duel which astral mages use to instant-kill one another. The win probability is linked to starting S level, so if you take an S1 pretender god, somebody will just send a handful of S1 mages in battle against him and his chance of survival is very, very low

>>161693878
If you're at above S6 then you won't be harmed by S1s.

>>161693707
There is a spell where an astral mage duels other astral mage, and the more skilled they are in astral, the higher the chance they have to win. The one that win survives and the one who loses dies (if they draw, both of them die).

And this ignores any other unit that isn't a mage with astral paths.
This means that if you have a enormous army with mgaes and so, and no astral mages other than your N9W9S1 pretender, a S1 mage of the enemy has 21/36= 0'583 -> 58'3% chances of killing your god through your big army, while a N9W9 wouldn't even be targeted by it.
The numbers for this spell, called Magic Duel, are:
both of the mages roll 1d6 and add it to their astral level, then compare that value to the other and die or not die depending on the result.


This is why if you put astral in your commander you have to try to keep it high or avoid magic duelers.

God dammit, I fucking hate Dominions so much.
>all these fucking items
>descriptions make them look super powerful
>they're too expensive for what they bring
One of these days, I'll say "fuck it", I'll pick a commander, strap him with awesome items, put him on the frontline, tell him to LERRROY JENKINS, and watch the show as he leads the charge.

>>161693868
>cripple

More like kill it, senpai.

>>161694415
Pretenders cannot be permanently killed.

>>161694353
That's pretty much what SCs do

>>161693707
>>161693878
With Magic Duel both roll their base (unboosted) Astral + 1d6, loser dies, in a tie both die. Even with S6 an opposing S1 mage Magic Dueling has a 1/36 chance of killing the S6.

It's not an issue if you're reasonably certain your pretender will never see battle.

>>161694460
itdepends

>>161694528
If you have a bunch of crappy S1s then it's not a big deal either

>>161694482
Yeah, but SCs are only for capturing isolated provinces.
I want a hero that leads the armies with braveries, an a full black iron armor.

>>161694685
>he things SCs don't yump on enemy armies

>>161694353
If you use mini thugs with human chaff it's pretty decent.

>>161694647
Pretty sure the enemy mind duelers will prioritize the high-value target over the soothsayers or w/e.

>>161694782
Oh yeah; this can be good too. In late game scenarios where you have all the battlefield buffs up and troops just kinda whack at each other not doing damage, it can also be worth having lightly geared thugs that can actually kill things through Army of Gold

>>161694863
Sorta. I haven't figured out priorities, but it SEEMS to target closer units and high HP targets.

>>161694863
>>161694913
You are largely wrong. Magic duel has three prioritizations:

The most important is that the target be lower in level than it is.
The second most important is that the target be as high level as possible without violating rule 1.
The third most important is that the target be as close as possible, without violating the first two rules.

(The zeroeth is that they are a valid target, of course).

>>161695572
This doesn't match my two second tests. Let me see if I saved them; if not, I'll whip one up with some giants real quick.

Which do you guys enjoy more, losing or winning?

Personally, although I endeavor to win, I tend to enjoy the game more when losing because I need to think more. Might help that if I fail while already losing, it was inevitable, but if I win it's glorious.

>>161695685
>>161695572
Okay, just tested it.

It does NOT prioritized by HP, but it also doesn't seem to prioritize by distance. In my test, I put the magic duelers in different places vertically (top, mid, bot) and did the same with the mages to be targeted and in both tests the duelists targeted the enemy mages in the middle first. Let me do another run to see if astral level matters.

>>161695923
I only like losing if there's a chance I can come back. Losing with no chance of victory is just a slog. I also like winning a lot because I rarely win.

>>161695923
Losing, because you can't enjoy something that never happens.

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how do i stop this shit from happening fucking constantly

>>161696245

What's your gods dominion score(the amount of candles you chose on pretender creation)?

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>>161696174
Okay, and it definitely doesn't target based on astral level. Here an S1 tried to duel an S10 after his two buddies successfully dueled enemy S1s. It also does not appear to be based on unit ID, so I'm pretty much stumped.

>>161696448
7 and the game just ended because my dominion vanished. Getting real sick of this shit.

>>161696206
There's always a chance of victory.

>>161696465
The forest giant is empowered to S1, btw, which is what I was using to see if HP priority was a thing.

>>161696505

The AI is pretty aggressive about building tempels. If you see your dominion go down, build more tempels to counter this. Or recruit priests to preach. Or just invade him and raze his temples.

Also be sure to get Thrones. Thrones can dompush very powerfully, depending on how powerful the throne is.

>>161696465
Bizarre. Somebody did tests a few months ago. I wonder if illwinter stealth patched it.

Who is midgard and why don't we have a new turn already?

>>161680000
A (You) for your quads

Just played a long CPU match vs ermor (among others). First off fuck those undead "I'm behind 7000 skeletons" bastards. I won but have a few questions,

1. What is the best counter in general?

2. Recommendations for MA Ulm vs ermor?

3. I won via thrones but didn't go underwater to fight those nations. What is the best way to fight underwater? Buy indie mermen? Or make a shitload of items? Summons?

As LA R'lyeh, how do I deal with the massive amounts of free spawns draining my income to death?

>>161700301
Send them to die.

>>161700110
1. There's no best anything. Late-game is a neverending one-upmanship championship where counters counter countering counters.

2. Research magma eruption/earthquake/rain of stones and kill skellingtons by thousands.

3.If there's like 1 throne UW, there's no reason to go there until late-game if you really need it. Otherwise, UW nations will almost certainly get all UW provinces, and there's not much you an do about it. If there are no UW nations, you should get UW mercenaries ASAP, as you will have uncontested territory this way.

4. Stop playing SP and join a MP game.

>>161700301
Pick them up with a freespawn commander and throw them at the nearest enemy province. The ones without S random are useful for ferrying madmen to the front.

>>161700857
Thanks. I'm considering MP at this point as I think I have figured my way around the UI at least. One followup question, because ermor destroys population and thus the supplies in the provinces. What can I do to counter that? Is there any sort of logistics that can help?

>>161701464
There are some nature items that provide supply. There are also some commanders with supply bonus traits.
If you don't have any, recruit indie nature mages.

>>161701606
To elaborate, the Endless Bag of Wine gives 50 supply, it's in Construction 4 and only requires N1

>>161701849
Cons 6 in vanilla. Praise Summod

>>161700668
>>161701048
That's a little tedious and micro-heavy but I guess it works.

What global enchantments would I want to use to help? Burden of Time?

>>161702180
LA R'lyeh is the most tedious and micro heavy nation in the game.

>>161702269
Good to know. How do I deal with the ones that can't go on land? Is there really no way to remove your own units?

>>161702417
Starve them to death, or keep a throne up and run them into it.

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>>161702269

>other player and I both cast Well of Misery in the same turn
So uh
Who controls it? Global enchant menu shows my flag but is that correct?

>>161704310
Yes. Read the manual section about globals. It seems that your global was cast with more gems and overpowered that of the opponent.

If you don't read the fucking manual, I'll go to your house and kill your dog.

>>161695923
I enjoy winning more than losing but winning means I have to deal with lategame, which I hate.

>>161705157
This. I'm relieved when I can win by mid-game. When I play late-game-heavy nations, it quickly becomes a chore.

>>161700110
>1. What is the best counter in general?
For longdead, priests are often a good counter. Earthquake/Rain of Stones are better if you're dealing with thousands of skeletons.

>>161701878
No, it's definitely const4 in vanilla.

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>pretender has teleport shoes
>try to teleport
>have no fucking idea where my pretender is now
>can't find him

>>161707015
press "n" until he shows up, or go to "nation summary" under statistics

>>161707015
? for the list of hotkeys. There are hotkeys to select pretender of prophet. And if your commanders are on defend order, better press shift+w to make them wait, so they don't show up in the "next unit" (n) order

>>161705391
Ok, I'm retarded.

>>161707015
Check your event log. He might have been eaten by horrors or accidentally yanked himself into the Void.

>someone already AI in bob
>they are being rushed by ragha
>well that makes sense

>>161707898
>ragha snowballs because of the AI
ERRY TIEM

>>161707898
>check llama
>no AIs
???
Gath was set AI on turn 2 after he staled

If a mage with items is doing Mindhunting and dies, do the items go into the lab 100%, is there a chance some will be lost, or are they lost 100%?

>>161708840
Mages can't die from mindhunting?

>>161708840
Doing mindhunting shouldn't kill the mage. It should just feeblemind them if their cord gets snipped.

In general, though, if a unit gets mindhunted, dies to disease, or gets hit by remote evo their items go to the lab.

>>161708905
If the mage mind hunt a prov with an enemy astral mage in it, don't they fight it out with the chance of yours dying?

>>161708957
ah right feebleminded, my bad. Well if the hunter doesn't die that answers that, and good to know items go to lab if hunted.

Thanks!

>>161708905
My mistake!

>>161688329

What do you want?

>>161711084
What is your innovative strartergy?

>>161711136

It's super innovative, so I can't reveal it for fear of you stealing it.

>>161711202
Please, innovation is meant to be shared. Why, the last great innovative strartergies were shared before their games even started.

>>161711261

No, I've already filed for a patent to this particular strategy. It will surely turn Agartha Inc. into a global leader in innovation.

>>161707898
>>161707957
>letting Malakal snowball

>>161711317
This makes Stallman VERY angry.

>>161687846
How does worm mage work? He seems sort of lame considering how late he is in research.

>>161711970
He comes back from the dead in-fight and is also immortal.

>>161712091
That does sound pretty good. How many times does he come back mid fight?

>>161712204
He has a % chance (I think 75?) of coming back each time he dies. So theoretically infinite, but he can also die in just one.

There were some anons about a month ago mentioning they dislike Java-based PBEM manager and were working on their own ones.

So, how's the progress?

>>161711084
How are you doing? I can see you in multiple fronts, so I figure out you had a good expansion.

squidward why are all these tarts feebleminded

>>161713875
Most tarts are feebleminded, barring GoH cleaning them up

>>161713645

Go away, Malakal.

>sleep for 10 hours
>surely turns will be available in the morning!
>no turns
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>161715169
Blame Ulm.

>>161716180
>Hinnomposting

How good is E9 LA Agartha? Recruit anywhere blindlords with fuckoff huge Prot seems like a good investment

>>161716364
>implying
When I went to sleep two different Ulms were holding up the show in their respective games.

>>161716446
I'd approve of it. It does help out their sacred mages too, and they do have the Golden Pillar for it.

An N9's also a valid strategy, especially in conjunction with Sepechurals.

>wake up
>DriftKing Ulm still didn't send his file
When are we culling this fag, he had an entire day and then some
IT'S TURN ONE DAMNIT

What are some fun pretender/disciple combinations? Either things that are effective or niche or crazy, I'm up for learning anything.

>>161717504
A popkill disciple with a non-popkill pretender. You get weird shit like aspoodle basically becoming EA Pan with more death and Ermor being skeletonless which is funny

>>161716481
For me it is always Abysia

>>161716446
Ask our Agartha, he is running that build.

>>161718265
So is MokouIsHot's Agartha. Same guy?

>tfw you're the underdog in a war against a larger player and you just keep hoping he stales so that you can make some headway

>>161717731
Hahaha. I love the idea of it. Could you swap the idea to get popkill effects on a non popkill disciple?

>>161718529
Yes, but it will kill the income of the disciple

>>161717504
Disciple Asphodel is great

>>161717504
MA Agartha pretender and MA China disciple, so china's terracota soldiers get the bonus from agartha's dominion.

>>161718682
This is another good suggestion. Do undead also get the bonus, since they're lifeless?
>>161718589
How so?

>>161718682
What bonus is that?

t. Noob

>>161718846
Read the nation description, fucking noob.

Abysia, are you here? I'm really curious of if it was imprisoned or dormant Moloch. I'm 90% sure it was imprisoned but i could be missjudging your scales.

If that's the case, why imprisoned?

>>161718809
Not him, but I guess because of strong sacreds and summons and no domkill. No freespawn too though, besides carrion lords.

>>161718936
Only clue in there is that Agartha gets extra gold in caverns

>>161718809
They are basically pan with death magic and good nature sinks. Also Black centaurs are insanely good and you can afford them for longer.

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I'm glad we're ending this.

>>161719815
MA Pan is way better still, desu. Big E is amazing, Revellers are less good but still incredibly efficient killy infantry, and blood access is game defining

>>161720315
what hte fuck

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But we still need graphs, right?

Here we go.

>>161720359
A perfectly reasonable late-game pretender.

>>161720441
My late game is the same as the early game.

I don't think I ever empoverished him.

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Might as well post my stuff. Not enough place in the lab for 10 skullstaves, some boosters, and a billion of useless lanterns.

>>161720552
Empowered*

>>161719241
MA Agarthian dominion gives extra hp to the all inanimate beings like statues, golems and other magic beings with that feature. But not to undead.

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Almost forgot. I had this at 237 all along when I took it from Atlantis.

>>161720614
What nation did you play as?

>>161720361
What spells?

>>161720343
what about Pan pretender and asphodel disciple then?

>>161721389
Lemuria.

>>161721464
Eyes of God, of course.

>>161721751
What pretender did you start the game with? I've always been interested in playing them, and would appreciate any advice!

>>161721751
That description makes me moist. I would kill to have that spell in another strategy game.

>>161721608
pretty okay in spite of the similarities in the nation. The only thing you're really missing is Air, but if you can fit that on your Aspho disciple you're set.

>>161722285
Oh, and astral. Hmm. It's not as good as I thought after a second glance, but you can probably snowball with the double-centaur early game. I'd say go so far as to take a double bless and make an early game push, and then branch out into thugs to take advantage of your bless. As long as you can get big enough quick enough, you should be able to just have enough stuff to make up for the handful of missing paths

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>>161721884
I think it was something like this, though I don't remember. The idea behind this is to have all end-game paths available to you. You already have S on your Grand Lemurs, so I took most other paths for sitesearching and summoning/crafting. Should've gone F2 for flame spirits, probably. Immortality allows you to participate in early-midgame defensive wars and win them without losses. W/N gives foul vapors. E/A RoS/Earthquake, earth and air end-game (with boosters). W3 gives water end-game and some battlefield spells. N gives Gift of Health.

For Lemuria you generally need path diversity because otherwise you won't even be able to siteseatch without indies. Awake is also a necessity because otherwise you won't be able to summon your mages. Other than that, I didn't rely on ghosts past expansion phase (skelespam with 3 Lemurs is stronger than all your ghosts combined)

>>161722389
You can probably get away with an awake D expander like underworld dog or something, though I feel that ghosts expand just fine on their own.

>>161720315
Did you win?

>>161724150
I didn't lose.

>>161724180
Did everyone else AI or what?

What combination of globals would make it nearly impossible for any nation to make headway? Astral Corruption, Foul Air and Utterdark?

>>161724243
We have 4 nations (Rus, Lemuria, Riley, and C'tis) who are in equally good positions and with equal amount of provinces and thrones. Arguably, Riley is a little more fucked by AC, and Rus' bloodhunting will be fucked by armageddon spam by immortal caster, but mass tart warfare won't be affected one bit. The first person who makes a move will lose. We decided to end it in a draw because of lack of enthusiasm from all players. Except Nick. He still wanted to play, the absolute madman.

I wished for friends in a game against the AI, and it teleported a throne's defenders into my cap

On the one hand, free throne
On the other hand, no-cap only mages for a while

>>161693986

S7. Ties kill both, so S6 has a 1 in 36 chance to die to an S1 casting Magic Duel.

>>161708650

Abysia is AI in the latest turn.

How is Bogarus? I like their aesthetic, but their troops are TRASH, TRAAAAASH

>>161726078
I saw this nation winning games even without Malakal or Nick in charge, so I guess it's good after you learned how to expand.

>>161726078

Bogarus is notable mainly for their ability to make a giant stack of MOTHERFUCKIN' FIREBIRDS AWWYEAH in their cap, which can result in a ridiculous stream of big money/gem events.

Your sacreds are shit, so you can afford go full scales. You've pretty good mages as well, and the national summons are pretty sweet, so it can be worth dipping those paths you don't have natively but need for summons on your pretender.

>>161726347
Awesome, thank you for the advice.
FIREBIIIIIRDS.
>>161726239
I need to practice, then. I've seen a lot of people recommending awake expanders.

>>161726078
Bogarus is a potent nation. On paper the diversity isn't huge but it's distributed to their mages such that you get most out of it, they have one of the best research out there and the national summons can be useful.

>>161726078

Their troops will do the job. Just don't expect them to get anywhere. Their cap cav is worth massing just because its the only halfway decent thing they have.

Your troops will do, and you can survive on them util you can summon a billion things.

>>161726558
>>161726659
Thank you both for taking the time to respond! I'll give it a try next multiplayer game, and practice in singleplayer until then.

>>161726078
>>161726347
Why do they have such a variety of summons and why are some of their summons so weird?

>>161727615

Slavic mythology.

EA RUS WHEN

LA MACHAKA WHEN

>>161727784
Never.

What are blitzes? I'm a new player planning to get into mp soon. Also where can I find noob games? The steam group doesn't have many. I missed the last one (it already begun)

>>161727726

Sauromantia.

MA URUK WHEN

Goddamn motherfucking shitstained rats took out my fort on the turn it was about to be finished.

Thats it you son of a bitch, if morka doesnt kill me I'm coming for your furry ass.

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>>161727784

>Africans
>Late age

jokes aside, a LA Machaka based off the Kingdom of Mali would be cool af

>>161728949
Also when should I start searching proviinces for magic sites? I always lose track and scope of proviinces and all the mages.

>>161728949
>What are blitzes?
Direct connect games, usually last for a few hours.
>Also where can I find noob games?
/domg/ start a noob game every so often, you might also want to check out some other communities like dom3mods(http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?act=idx) or the steam forums.
>>161729414
It depends, the first couple of tuns you should focus more on expansion.

>>161728949
>What are blitzes?
Games played in a single session (4-6 hours, sometimes longer if people involved don't have to leave).

They're usually smaller and less serious.

>Also where can I find noob games? The steam group doesn't have many. I missed the last one (it already begun)
You could go check other communities, wait for someone to make a noob game, or set up a noob game yourself.

>>161729414
>Also when should I start searching proviinces for magic sites?
It will depend on which nation you are, but you should probably have at least one guy out sitesearching by turn 12.

>>161729216
Should we start a telethon for you?

>>161730093
If this telethon raised death gems maybe.

>>161729414

As soon as possible. Unless you have research you need to rush, I would send out my first 1-2 mages, and then later(after I started construction of my first fort) I would send out one of my nations more powerful ones.

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>>161678953
Right now it's less than 20 minutes until the start of today's matches. Our match is number six so there's still a while until /domg/ takes the field.

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ComfyArmchairOfDOMG

What's that on the horizon? ANOTHER NOOB GAME?
Yes indeedy friendos, have another fucking noob game!

>>161734210
>anonymous noob game
Enjoy being Malakal'd.

>>161726347
>FIREBIRDS
Innovative strat idea: Order/Luck has an event where you get a free castle. You can also pick up free labs and temples from events. Take that firebird show on the road and rake in the free infrastructure.

>>161734348
It'll be fine senpai, I'm sure of it.

I mean, no one would just go on the internet and lie about their noob status to win an autism game, right?

>>161734674
I have yet to see a lie on the internet.

Do I have to download the mods beforehand or does the game handle that when joining?

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>>161734674

>>161734786
Beforehand speaking of which

>>161734210
>desura link

>>161734959
Yeah that was kinda my ill stated point. Also find it odd that a "noob" game has mods at all. Maybe summod although I haven't even started into that. Worthy heroes only slight changes?

>>161734786
You have to download the mods and put them in the C:\Users\<YourUserNameHereOnly$5AMonth!>\AppData\Roaming\Dominions4\mods folder

To join the game, go to Game Tools->Create a Pretender->choose your nation -> create your pretender, then email the mid_nation_0.2h file to pretenders <at> llamaserver <dot> net. You can find this file in your savedgames\newlords folder in \Roaming\Dominions4

>>161735224
And for the broken desura link?

>>161734959
Well tickle my anus and call me daddy, that just won't do! Fixing it now

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Somehow warhammer dark elves seem to be a bit dissapointing once you realize that almost all wh nations have sailing available too, as that makes their gimmick of being sea raiders, pretty damn pointless.

>>161734210
Oh I shouldn't, I'm already in so many games and Christmas tests start next week.

>>161734210
i'll join cause i am noob

>>161735484
t. Malakal

>>161735374
If its any consolation my undead cant go UW like regular longdead.

>>161735374
also, they suck

>>161735090
Worthy Heroes just makes heroes actually impact the game. Summod is pretty ubiquitously used around here, and Better Arena has better in the name, so why not use it?

Also, Teaching_Feeling has all these mods, so yeh

>>161727726
>>161727784
>>161729156
Thursday.

>>161735897
That mediafire link doesn't work either. Brings me to the homepage.

>>161735981
Bollocks, try now?

>>161735981
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kazojc1m371tbkq/BetterArena.7z?dl=0

>>161736040
>Admin says bollocks
Well now I have to join.

>>161736040
Use this instead as it doesn't have multiple parts. You're killing me admin.

>>161736129

>>161736129
>>161736210
Thanks senpai!

For MA Tien Chi, do I expand with the holy cavalry, use a couple of the cap only mages to search, and then research until I get evo 5, then switch to communions?

>>161735484
Malakal stahp

>>161735090
>implying noobs are too retarded to install mods

>>161713875
Maybe 9 in 10 tarts is born feebleminded going by my luck so far summoning them.
They seem pretty reasonable as a feebleminded summon for the 10 death gem cost though

>>161733463
When are we up? Link?

>>161738436
More like implying that I have a poor grip on the vanilla game in general. So all these minutia involved in the other mods will go over my head. Does better arena offer better rewards so it isn't worth ever missing? Does summod make underwater different to handle? Which nations heroes are made more "worthy"?

I can understand that these may seem like no-brainer additions to a veteran. But they only increase the advantage of those who are in the know (non noobs.)

>>161740536
The link can be found at http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_7

We're the sixth match, and currently the second match is almost over. I'll make sure to post when the fifth match begins so you can get in if you don't want to watch the other games.

>>161740675
Worthy Heroes doesn't change decision making at all.

Better Arenas (seems to) change decision making but only by making it more intuitive. Caring about the arena in vanilla is a trap yet to a noob (like me when I first started) it seems like a cool and valuable use of your time and resources.

>>161740675
Better arena gives you a random const 8 artifact and you dont have to defend it

Worthy heroes gives buffs most nations heroes or adds new ones and nerfs a couple (mostly xibalia) but doesnt really change much.

Also Admin can you please delete vanarus? I would like to go with Abysia instead.

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LAte graphs.

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Also, Nick, speaking about the most powerful global.

Steel Domg Tien Chi, you mind hopping into steamchat?

Why was teaching feeling delayed AGAIN?

>>161745019
Damn landlubbers.

>>161745019
Surrender to the might of Lukas

>>161738189
Yes

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>>161745302

>>161734210
I too will join because I'm a huge nowins noob

>>161748187
>>161734210
Wait nigg what Age do I choose for the pretender?

>>161734210

I've played some 10ish games but not won any, am I considered a noob for this game?

>>161748427
Nevermind I am fucking dumb I see it now

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>>161735224

Protip you can also use this button to get to your mod folder quickly

>>161735374

Well High Elves and Dark Elves can, and most(all?) chaos, because that's how they roll. But not sure if anybody else do

>>161748440
Sure, why not

>>161749105

I'll play some dumb innovative strategy so I'm even more noobish then

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>>161740929
Alright, /xcg/ vs /fgg/ is being set up right now, we'll play after they do, and the stream is only one hour behind the wiki schedule(which is always the case anyway, I don't know why it's still being used).

Is it a problem if I don't disable mods and then submit my turn for a MP game that did not have that mod? Cause I just did that some hours ago

>>161749532
It shouldn't

>>161749532
When you open the turn, it automatically picks the right mods

>>161749350

HOW DO THEY MANAGE

TO GET AI RUN MATCHES DELAYED

Does max Magic/Drain just add/remove 3 RP from your current number of RP? Seems pretty weak modifier

>>161750004

It adds/removes per researcher.

>>161749769
It's more like they always take this long and the times posted on the wiki are stupid.

i have a noob question

people often say it is good to have a 2nd fort by the end of the first year, but is there any good indicators on where a fort should be built? i just dont wanna random build a fort on a "useless" location

>>161750995
I use income>100 to decide where to build my forts. My first fort is always 3 provinces away from my cap so that it doesn't interfere with my cap's resources

>>161750995
Choke points, high resources, places you really want guarded like thrones or certain magic sites

Certain nations can even just afford to slap forts next to each other (but very few)

>>161734210
Hello friend I would like to play as EA acroscephale. I will email my prretender in a while!

>>161751143

Is chokepointing forts really even worth it as a tactical option? They don't really stop your enemy, they can keep going past the fort.

>>161751272
Also have played a grand total of 0 mp games.

>>161751272
Difficult to play EA Arco in MA, but we'll try to accommodate you, friend!

Comfy is go tho


Man, those nations.

>>161750995

It depends on your nation. Forts function by taking a percentage of resources(percentage determined by their administration score) of resources from neighboring provinces. If you are a nation that will never really be resource starved, I would just place them on high income provinces, or thrones.

Another valid option is to place them in a forest that is blocking the route to other provinces, since you can build roads in a completed fort, which removes the movement penalty of a forest.

>>161750995
Most important is having it within one turn's worth of map move away from other forts.

Second most important is either neighboring resources if you're a resource heavy nation in the first two years or putting it on a forest you want to build road through.

Other than that it doesn't matter. Forts almost never have over 50 admin so there's no reason at all to worry about a loss in resource efficiency.

>>161751135
>3 provinces away from my cap so that it doesn't interfere with my cap's resources
This isn't a problem.

>>161751504
And no nagot gick fels! Very noice

>>161751431
Oh fug sorry. Make that MA Acro then. As soon as I arrive home (20 mins) I'll install the mods and make a pretender.

>>161751504
#skellybowl

>>161751809
Sorry, but it looks like you're too slow.

>>161751809
's late m8, R'lyeh cucked you

>>161752303
>>161752331
reeeeee fucking moluscs get out

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>>161751809
>>161752434

>>161751869
Is fireball or banishment from a dragon better for skelly clearing?

>>161752621
banishment.

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>>161751504
>tfw province right next to mine has a Throne

>>161752863
same

>>161752863
>>161752896
Mines under water.

>>161752896
same t b h f a m

>pretender gets horror marked
fuck.

Nazca pls, it's literally the first turn, you signed up less than 3 hours ago

>>161753541
Was going to post this.

>Rushing the enemy in /VGL/
NO SHAME!

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LAte_to_the_party is over, Everyone agreed to a mutual draw since no one wanted to go through the Late game slog. I will highlight some key points at the end round:

1. Rlyeh had a chance when he had nexus up, but myself (sneks) and lemuria funded our pearls to overcast it at 864 and basically forced back into grid locked by his insanity pop.

2. Bogarus had ONE MIRRIONR VAMPIRES but had no desire to fight since he hated Late game micro

3. Lemuria had ONE BIRRION GHOSTS and was of similar sentiments,also 3 pearls from nexus a turn lel

4. Myself (sneks) had a blood economy going and most of the demon lords plus ONE MIRRIONR TOMB WYRMS but I didn't want to be arsed with late game micro either and I knew the second I try to rush any thrones the world would unite against me, plus I'm a stupid person and got myself into 12 games and didn't want to deal with it
Overall a fun game though even if no one won, I would say N9B9 is def. viable for LA c'tis

>>161754198
How do you get green normal provinces like that?

>>161742378
Well, LaTe is now over - mostly because everyone agreed to end the suffering. If I felt LA R'lyeh had any ability to do anything under AC (and without Nexus even) maybe I would have tried to rush some thrones, but with hampered ritual movement all that would have done would turn a stalemated game into an outright loss.

Honestly I didn't do much anything in the game until I had Nexus - just nipped at Mari a little early and some of AI Atlantis with Lemuria. The most important part of all that was preventing Lemuria from grabbing another 1 throne.

Once I had a sufficiently large Golem army I began voting people off the map, first Mari, then TC - both for their thrones. My next plan was to do the same onto C'tis' 3-throne and more or less unguarded 1-throne to grab the win. Sadly I then lost my Nexus, and then AC came up.

If I had *only* lost my Nexus I might have still been able to pull it off. But LA R'yleh is the least capable nation in all dominions for dealing with AC, which meant winning became effectively futile - especially since C'tis has a blood economy.

>>161754198
I love how my provinces are a complete blank spot for the most part.

It wasn't so much losing Nexus that cost me everything, it was AC being up that did. Lemuria taking Nexus was actually fucking perfect when he did so, because it gave me a solid way to manipulate Bogurus into fighting Lemuria while I quickly grabbed the last thrones needed to win.

Then AC came up and ruined all my plans.

FUCK I FORGOT TO TAKE DRAIN

Anyone have the boxing golems webm or gif?

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>>161754964