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>>161601243
AWOOOOO

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FIRST FOR PURGE FILTH

AHH

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>>161601432

>>161601432
Wow, you're a failure, just like logarius.

KOS

>>161601637
MMMMMMMMM

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>Vilebloods coming out of the woodworks already

REV UP THOSE WHEELS, LADS

IT'S PURGE O'CLOCK

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>>161601740
>there are people ITT who unironically say kosm

Favourite prey, bbg?

Beasts? Ayys? Hoonthas?

Anybody wanna help a lvl 59 shitter with Orphan?
Pass bbg I'll be ringing at the lighthouse hut lamp.

reposting from last thread

>>161600443 #
> So a dreamland is created whenever a great one is summoned? I don't believe that.

No, but it did in this case.


> The Third Umbilical Cord precipitated the encounter with the pale moon, which beckoned the hunters and conceived the hunter's dream.
- Cord in the Abandoned Workshop

Personally I think it came from the Orphan, which is why hunters are cursed with the Nightmare, the hunters dream was conceived using orphans ill-gotten cord.

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>Vilebloods and Executioners can't stop killing each other
Calm down, you blood-addled beasts.

>>161601856
> I couldn't graduate from Yharnam high so I joined the church
What is with these zero insight blockheads.

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>>161523497
very confused doll does not know how to hold a scythe

and a traumatized old man

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literally me

>>161601990
Sure, I'm on my way

>>161602024
Huh, that's neat. But couldn't it be that Gherman agreed on the makeup of the dream during the meeting with MP?

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>>161601942
VILEBLOODS

>>161601990
On my way, friend.

>>161602049
>I'm such a sissy beta faggot that I willingly cuck myself

>>161602214
Stay mad silly church tool.

>>161602121
This is great, anon! Did you finish the others yet?

>>161602121
It's perfect. I can just imagine her saying "...even the doll, should it please you."

>>161602214
Is that you, Gregor?

>>161602173
>>161602214
You guys wanna try again?

Came in as a HoH into somebody else's world. That's odd. Is somebody using the same password as we are?

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>>161601889
>there people in this very general who unironically think Kos is the proper term

>>161602121
Picked the worst one of all the suggestions.

>>161602789
Shit I've been found out

>>161602794
Absolutely. Sorry for dying so quick, I'm not used to having this low of vit against Orphan.

>>161601942
Beasts.

The Great Ones can help us ascend. The beasts are nothing but a scourge.

>>161602550
n-no
I'm still working on them, and i'm short on time lately.
>>161602910
Don't worry anon, i'll get to the others. i just did the first one first

>>161602945
Sorry... I jumped into the attack on accident.

>>161601942
Ayys. Nothing more invigorating than maiming something that's supposed to be my better.

I wish the Labyrinths had one single unique story area, like a Chalice place you have to pass through in the story, just once, instead of being almost totally segregated from the story as they are. Pthumerians were weird scary bastards with fire magic and huge pits of corpses just fucking everywhere.

>>161601942
Clerics.

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>>161602863
>>161601889
>there are beastly idiots existing on this lower plane who don't say Kos(m)os

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>>161603283
pls go patches

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Is draw anon still drawing hoonters ?

pls

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>>161603298
Educated moderates and scholars who say Kosm as it is closer to cosmos>=Complete radicals at parties who say Kos(m)os>Eyeless fools who say Kos

>>161602214
>>161602173
Got him. Thanks for the help, friends.

>>161603762
Great fun, anon. Thanks for having me.
Who is LaughMaker? I was beckoned to your world through a password as a Hunter of Hunters.

>>161604053
You can get summoned as a purple by randoms even if you have a password in, so it was probably just some poor schmuck.

>>161603762
Glad I could help. Just a little disappointed I died before the end, though. 25 vit as a summon is rough.

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>>161603569
>tfw you had to go to class right when draw anon showed up
Fug

>>161603219
That's quite human of you. No worries of beasthood here.

>>161604265
Ah, that explains it. First time that has happened to me.

>>161603569
What's on Marylin Manson's head?

>>161604474
knight hat

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>>161603630
>Ahh, Kos, or some say Kosm
>some say
Kos is the correct name for the Great One. It is insightless fags like you who call her 'Kosm'.

Definitely something fishing going on in the darkbeast fight.
It keeps dropping my inputs.
He does that quick 2 slash. I'll dodge but it drops so I get hit. Then I press dodge again once (not mash it, I know how From like using input que to fuck players over ) and he does another 2 slash, and it drops my dodge input.
Nice artificial difficulty, From. Drop inputs from dodge, Queue inputs when you attack.

How bad is the drop rate for 32.6% blunt gems from the watchers? I want to know what I'm getting myself into.

>>161605620
One of the most painful gems to farm, in my opinion. It's a very low droprate.

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Why was Byrgenwerth so small?
I thought it was going to be a huge college and campus to explore but all we got was a small portion of what I was expecting.

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>>161603569
Me too pls

>>161606405
The rest is in the nightmare, Lecture Hall is Byrgenwerth

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Any NIGGER want to help me out with forbidden woods? I always have trouble with the snek people ;_; password: bbg

>>161606549
I might be wrong, but I always thought the real Lecture Building was in the Unseen Village and belonging to the Nerds of Mensis

>>161606736
Sure, gomme a sec

>>161606873
Mensis students are the original members of Byrgenwerth
It's specified that the lecture building is from Byrgenwerth and it's adrift in the nightmare realm

>>161606736
i'll join as well

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>>161607004
Alright, ill be ringing at the first lamppost

>>161605193
You've been complaining about input shit for like three days now, no one cares

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>>161604674
>some
>the cosmos, of course!

Even Micolash realizes it mid fight.

Having played DS3 before currently playing BB, you know whats great about the latter?
Not once has it felt like the game was saying "Hey remember that thing from Dark Souls 1? You liked that game right?"

>>161607082
hmm
i still got nothing

>>161607645
We finished the area already, we waited for a bit but it wasnt picking you up

>>161607645
>>161607931
Wanna come on down to byrgenwerth? I had fun and dont wanna play alone, other anon can come too

>>161608108
Helping a buddy beat maria right now, ill help out if you still want to after im done though

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>Bloodborne is a game which depicts the value of life in newborns can be swiped easily
>Have trouble how to feel in regards abortions and miscarriages since I can tell for myself I wouldn't have been born if mother had the option to do so and not forced.

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>>161608484
Are you ok anon?

>>161608441
Dope, ill be just waiting and ive already rung

>>161608930
Ringing now

>>161602849
That can happen if you're using oaths, hostile invasions don't get filtered out by passwords.

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>>161608484
>Waste of skin

So I did TOH before starting Nightmare of Mensis now and I'm kinda confused as to why my Kirkhammer is doing so much less damage here than against the enemies in TOH. Are all these enemies strong against blunt or something?

>>161608930
Fuck, got frenzied

>>161609147
They're strong in general. Come back when you'll have a +9 weapon.

>>161609213
I already do. It's a +9 Kirkhammer and I have 37 STR. Most of the normal enemies in TOH died in 2-3 hits with my Kirkhammer and these guys are able to take much more than that.

>>161609104
>not cruel fate
>implying anon isn't now sure in his purpose

>>161609303
What enemies are you talking about specifically?
Are you sure that your weapon is not damaged?

>>161608930
You still there? The lady jumped into me and pushed me off the map

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Friendly reminder that if you haven't done so already change the RGB range of your PS4 from automatic to full for a better looking Bloodborne. Go to settings > sound and screen > video output settings > RGB range

>What does this do?
I basically ups the colour saturation and contrast of your PS4 considerably, leading for a far more vibrant game with crisp, dark shadows that accent popping colours.
Although the screenshot function of the PS4 doesn't show the difference between automatic and full I played around with a screenshot in paint.Net to make a close approximation to what it looks like on my screen.

>>161609739
I like automatic more.

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What the FUCK was his problem?

>>161610278
Assassins gotta assassinate.

>>161610278
Lackey of the church. They all had that issue.

>>161609739
Full looks way too saturated

>>161609739
I actually prefer the top more. The filter gives it more of a dreamy feeling while accentuating the fog.

>>161610278
He's a dick, but I love his cackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0vNWJa94aw

>Laurence isn't he final boss of the DLC

Man who the fuck really backtracked all the way to the Cathedral after getting his skull?

>>161611504
You literally just have to teleport like 100 feet away

>>161611504
I did because why not. He was ridiculously easy after beating Kos though

His fight shouldn't have been optional at all desu, I mean he's literally right there. It's not as if you have to go out of your way to find him

>>161611646
Yeah but you press on and eventually end up in the Hamlet and at Orphan. Then have that "oh yeah, the vicar clone" moment and kill the guy who founded the church and spread this shit everywhere only to find out the real enemy is already dead next to his mom.

>>161611775
What the fuck are you talking about

>>161611504
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>>161611775
>>161611837

what the fuck are all of you talking about. did I miss something in the dlc? all of this reads like some fever dream

>>161611937
Can you not follow a simple conversation?
Some guy is complaining that Laurence wasn't the final boss of the DLC, and that you had to backtrack to him, but it's really just a 1 minute run from the first DLC lamp to the Nightmare Grand Cathedral.
>Did I miss something in the dlc?
You did fight Laurence, didn't you? Cleric Beast on fire?

>>161611937
I can't tell if you're serious but if you go back to laurence after you find his skull he turns into a boss

Is Nightmare Frontier the most tedious part of Bloodborne or what?

It looks like Gears of War sandy grey ass in terms of color.

And the only good loot is a bunch of chunks.

>>161612363
Nightmare Frontier is certainly the worst designed area in Bloodborne, really the only reason to go there is for the chalice and maybe the messangers gift.

>>161612079
>>161612096

Fuck, I'm an idiot. I've played through the DLC twice and never fought Laurence, didn't even know that he was in it. I went through it more or less blind both times and never thought to go back to the cathedral.

>>161612363
I like how the frontier looks, honestly. I also really like how the Hunters Nightmare looks.

Also, those few chunks are actually pretty important, as without them it would be impossible to get your weapon to +9 immediately after Amelia without farming any drops or killing another boss.

>>161612476
It's time for you to go slay that beast, then.

>>161612363
Only if you decide to explore the lower swamp areas and fight the winter lanters and whatever the hell those squids are named. Thankfully you don't need to bother going down there again on your 2nd playthrough.

But swamp areas in Souls games are tedious and not very fun in general, I don't understand why From keeps forcing it.

Stats for Burial Blade?

>>161612832
25/50 Str/Skl with (3)27.2% gems. Arc isn't worth investing in for that weapon, as the base damage is so low that you won't get anything worthwhile.

>>161612476
Remember that you need his skull first. If you're experienced in Souls games you'll find it easily, its otherwise easy to overlook.

>>161612469
It's most definitely up there with Forbidden Woods. At least NF is optional. You are forced to go through FW each time, which has zero good loot at all, except for perhaps the Cannon. But as someone who doesn't like the Cannon, the FW becomes a chore except as an amusing Resident Evil 4 tribute.

>>161612506
Good point. The only other alternative to chunk gathering that doesn't involve bullshit RNG dice rolling post-Amelia is the DLC, and even then you have to go through several bosses to get like all the chunks in the DLC.

>>161612779
I think you still have to jump like a mad bunny through the swamp in the middle to get to the area with the Winter Lanterns leading to the Amy boss.

Maria is for bullying, cuddling, marrying, and fugging.
In that order.

Anyone wanna fight lower loran hotdog? Shouldn't be too rough, it's not a cursed seed. Supposedly has an uncanny burial blade, blood rock, and blades of mercy.
I'm here for that burial blade, pass is bbg glyph is q8t8943a

>>161613717
I agree.

>>161613734
Pretty sure there's a glyph out there with an Uncanny BB that doesn't require that you kill any boss.

>hit one of the dog enemies
>they immediately cancel out of hitstun and bite me
>hit it agan immediately to prevent myself from getting combo'd
>they again immediately cancel out of hitstun and bite me

Why is this considered good design?

>>161614121
>Why can't I r1 mash

>>161613857
Got him anyway. Thanks though.

>>161613734
I would have loved to but every time I try to co-op with you noobs I wind up just spending 20 minutes listening to the SRRC ring.

>>161614121
because that's all they're good for. they don't do a lot of damage, and their max hp is garbage and will die in a few hits

>>161614683
>they don't do a lot of damage
u wot m8

I get killed by dogs more often than any other mob. They obscene fucking damage, especially for a goddamn sheep dog in a world of 10-foot tall werewolves and aliens.

>>161614980
Especially when you get to the higher NG+ cycles and you don't level up your character beyond the PvP levels. They do ridiculous damage.

Let's make bad weapons good or at least playable.

>Fist of Gratia
Give it S strength scaling, slightly less stamina to swing it, make it able to parry, give it a single radial slot (similar to guns getting a single circle slot). Putting a 32.6% blunt gem in there would be the dopest shit.

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How can I be the best Vileblood I can be?

>>161615271

Better yet, make it into an actual fist weapon. Equip two of them instead of just one for no reason.

And give it Beowulf's moveset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB2PF0oenGo

>>161615430
Kill yourself.

>>161615478
>Better yet, make it into an actual fist weapon. Equip two of them instead of just one for no reason.
I'm not sure if I agree, but damn that 2-in-1 thing is the best feature about fist weapons in DaS3.

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>>161615430
By laying down under my Wheel and dying.

>>161615674
>tfw the Byrgenwerth moon doesn't have light shafts
>tfw will never have a character screenshot this top-tier

>run out of the free 3 months of PSN
>it means I can't reset my chalice dungeons

Please From. Please patch in the the ability to reset dungeons from the Hunter's Dream so that I don't have to waste money on paid online access. I need those 27% gems.

>>161612469
I liked the idea and setting but the layout makes the place tedious and boring. I always rush through straight to Amy and proceed to wait by its tail for the jump.

>>161612476
How the hell did you miss that?

>>161616986
I just hate how much fucking visual clutter there is, you get stuck on a piece of geometry every ten steps just because everything blends together into a blur of piss yellow and baby shit yellow.

Should I level endurance past 20?

>>161617332
Yes.
No.

>>161617332
20 is absolutely fine, you even get runes that increase it further.

>>161615674
If I didn't like you so much I'd be tired of your purging shit.

>>161617228
Yeah that's annoying, although I find dueling there can be kinda fun with that added caveat.

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>>161615674
Yeah! Uh, WHEEL! Puurge?

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>>161617762
I'm actually a little triggered by that

Goddamn. Those giant fishmen are ridiculous. I'm at 50 VIT and only on NG and still getting raped. I'd like to think I don't actually suck this bad.

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>>161617851

You're triggered?

He's using Blade of Mercy.

>>161618372
>Vileblood Helmet
>Executioner Gard
>Hunter of Hunters weapon

All thats left now is for him to be wearing the Confederate rune, and he's officially the Everyhunter

>>161618070
Run, bait the dive, avoid the follow up, and smack em good. Use the Shaman Bone Blade for the double fish fuckfest at the bottom of the fucking well. Literally only time I use those in this game.

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>>161617851
>>161618372
>>161618471

...purge?

Only a chucklefuck from fextralife could have taste so shit.

>>161618575
Tried the bone blades, but the windup was too long. I wound up parrying them both to death. My hands are still shaking. Jesus. I don't even want to think about what this will be like on NG+

>>161618947
I fought them solo on NG+3

It was actual hell

>>161618947
You don't really need to go back.

>>161618947
Why would you ever do it again? Only reward is the Rakuyo.

>>161619027
Holy hell. Did you win at least?

>>161619224
The same reason I run random frc dungeons. The sweet challenge man.

I've killed Amelia, Paarl, and the Shadows of Yharnam.

I totally forgot to talk to Eileen while she's in Cathedral Ward and help her kill Henryk, now she's gone.


Is there any possible way for me to still get the Crowfeather set without having to re-do her stuff in NG+?

>>161620007
You'll fight her instead of the Crow of Cainhurst after the bloodmoon, just kill her for the set.

HoH runes is gone though.

anybody need help with anything?

Is it possible to beat Ludwig and not have the trophy for it? My friend says he beat TOH DLC and yet he doesn't have a single trophy for it.

>>161622241
No. He's a lying cunt.

Havent played Bloodborne in almost a year now, come to this general and the memes are exactly the same, the banter is the same canned shit, and people are giving shit advice. Wew.
Anyway is the pvp range still 98-120, and what is the level range for frontier pvp? Got my friends the game and have been doing a group playthrough once I made them beat it blind first.

>>161621980
getting my life on track

>>161622617
hey man you can't just come in here and talk shit then ask a question and expect people to be helpful
yes

Is 25/50 the way to go with the HMLS?

>Convincing citizens to leave their protected homes and go to Oedon Chapel ultimately results in insanity or death of the citizens
>By convincing the young girl to find a 'safer' place besides her chained and boarded home, she is killed
>You then drive her older sister to suicide
>By helping Eileen kill Henryk, she becomes even more dull and weak, resulting in her death from The Bloody Crow, instead of her realizing the dream for what it is and trying to find a way out
>You murder three Great Ones, one who is minding her own business, one trying to protect Yharnam, and one protecting the Chalice Dungeons (Amy)
>Killing Gherman/Moon Presence just continues a cycle of insanity, nothing gets solved
>Logarius marty'd himself in order to prevent the creation of more Vilebloods, and you break his efforts
>Pushing Alfred to 'kill' Annalise results in his realization of a meaningless life, then suicide
>Delving into CD's is really just breaking and entering, regardless of what Gherman claims about communion


Really you're just a huge douche bag

>>161622779
Nigga Im trying to help you. You can only post Vileblood/executioner rivalries and kos/kosm for so long before you have to seriously wonder where youre heading in your life. It was extremelty jarring to me to see this general in the exact same state with the near same cookie cutter responses as almost a year ago.
I moved on from bloodborne, knowing Id return at some point time and time again, as it will always be my favorite game of all time, but doesnt this ever tire you guys? Theres no new content so no new memes can flourish.
Fear the Old memes.

>>161623052
I agree with most of that except Amy and Rom's agendas. I still can't decide whether Rom is preventing or protecting the Mensis ritual. And as for Amy - I'll never understand his/her connection to Loran. For such an iconic Great One, we really don't learn anything about Amygdala.

>>161623052
Not really. Great Ones deserve to be murdered. Humanity should live under its own power and not under the control of some faggy monsters.

Hunter dindu nuffin

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>>161601889
Not saying Kosm

I decided to comeback to bloodborn after the shitfest that is ds3
is the game even alive anymore ?
if so ,then what's the sl meta
be honest bbg

>>161623610
Game's livelier now than it was before DaS3 came out thanks to a few sales and events.

The meta is 98, but faggots go to 120.

99% of the people here are faggots.

>>161623803
>not doing 117 masterrace

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>>161604674
>I can kill you in over 3 ways

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>>161623923
so it's 120 like in ds3 got it
how many builds does bb has ?
arcane , quality , and bloodtinge ?
are they viable ?

>>161623052
>1
In many cases, they'd have been killed if you hadn't, whether by beasts or otherwise.
>2
If you don't, her dear older sister goes batty when the blood moon rolls around and she kills her herself.
>3
Again, blood moon. If you give the older sister the ribbon, you can hear her giggling to herself when you go to leave. She's not right in the head.
>4
I always assumed Eileen went blood-addled if you didn't help her out, but either way she doesn't seem to be of sound mind when you fight her in the chapel.
>5
Ebrietas is just the Good Hunter being a murderhobo, but I don't think Rom was trying to protect anything- she's vacuous, not on the same mental level as other Great Ones. She's essentially retarded, but you had to put her down in order to reveal the truth of what's going on. Amygdala was being a dickass, so I think you're fairly justified in killing him, and even then you probably not really killing him, just a projection.
>6
If you kill the Moon Presence, I'm fairly sure that means no more blood moon, which means considerably less insanity.
>7
Yeah that sucks pretty hard, but killing Logarius was in self defense at that point, considering he attacked you on sight. It would have been great if you could talk to him, but he's too far gone by now, so I doubt that's possible.
>8
Alfred kills himself probably to martyr himself like his master. Which, while perhaps foolish, makes sense for a fanatic to do. No doubt the Executioners were a little eclectic.
>9
Maybe so, but the things you find in the dungeons would probably be of priceless value to scholars and historians, so at least there's that.

All that aside, you could also probably chalk it all up to the Moon Presence exerting influence over you, which honestly wouldn't be very surprising. That guy's an asshole.

>>161624242
>If you don't, her dear older sister goes batty when the blood moon rolls around and she kills her herself.
wait, how do we know this?

>>161624502
Because if you give the girl the brooch, if you come back post-blood moon, her older sister will be there asking where she went. Think, why would a little girl that just found out that both of her parents are dead go outside on a night like that? You don't tell her that there's anywhere safe to go, she has no one left out there to look for.

Another thing is that we don't actually know if that's her sister or not. The little girl doesn't mention a sister, so for all we know it was just some girl from the town that was a little jealous of that beautiful ribbon, and then the blood moon turned that little bit of jealousy into a full-blown mania.

>>161623803
not the guy you're responding to, but how does this build look for a shitter like me?

bl98 cruel fate vit 47 str 25 arc 50, anti-clockwise metamorphosis %20, clockwise metamorphosis %15, clockwise metamorphosis %10. Weaponwise I'd be using uncanny logarius wheel.

What kind of gems should I be going for? Flat arcane +phys on all 3 slots or what?

>>161625974
or wait, if it's uncanny I could do 3 nourishing 21.5% gems.

>>161625974
You could afford to cut a couple points out of vit to put into endurance, seeing as the Wheel is a stamina hog.

Phys% +arc gems are for twinking. They get the biggest numbers on the dash attack, but the general damage output is better if you use nourishing abyssals. Get a lost Wheel, run 19.5% atk +15 phys radial, 21.5% +15 triangle, 21.5% and whatever secondary you want waning.

Hope that helps. Happy purging, good to have another Executioner fighting the good fight.

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>>161617076
no fucking clue actually. I ran in there the first time I played the DLC, saw nothing of importance save for that one item, and just
never came back.

>>161622617
>Got my friends the game and have been doing a group playthrough once I made them beat it blind first.

Man, wish my friends liked games like this. I've tried to get everyone I know that's into vidya into first the souls series and then bb and they all hated every entry. It's pretty much always
>"wtf why do i keep getting stun locked i'm mashing attack as fast as possible"
and then they turn it off and never play it again. The closest person that came to enjoying it was my brother, I had recommended him the souls series previously and he played through and loved das 1/2 but for some reason just couldn't get into bb. Shame

>>161626527
Thanks. Does the anti clockwise rune not make up for it? What if instead of cutting vit I just ran anti clockwise 20% and 15%?

Also, the first two of those gems are guaranteed drops from chalice dungeon bosses right? rom and amygdala if I remember reading it correctly. where would I go to find the last one?

>>161626961
Running two Anti-Clockwise runes is generally not advised. At 45 vit, you can get up to 1801 health with both Clockwise runes, and that'll put you at 14 endurance. My build has 41 vit, which gets up to 1702 max health. Going between any of my builds that have differing levels of vit, I hardly notice it.

As for gems, the radial is a drop from Rom in Ihyll and the triangle and waning are both from Amygdala, in Isz and Loran respectively. You can't get +15 phys or +5.6% vs open foes on the waning gem, but the extra two percent blanket attack is probably better than another 15 flat physical, considering the weapon.

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Currently on new game + 4. My stats are

50 vit
40 end
50 str
50 skl
50 blt
15 arc

Should I keep levelling up arc or just dump into skl to try and get better visceral damage? I'll get arc to 50 eventually either way, just unsure of which to do first.

>>161627563
Considering it's PvE it doesn't matter, but I'd get arc to 50 for variety. At that point you can do literally everything and you'll have viable access to what I think are some of the most fun weapons in the game.

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>tfw fell for the kirkhammer meme

I want my chunks back, this thing is fucking garbage! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>161627942
>R2 smashing things to death in one hit
>Not fun
>R2/L2 followups for days
>Not fun

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, I guess.

>>161627263
thanks! sounds like a plan to me, I'll get end up to 15 or so then.

>finally fight through laziness to get the last possible build I haven't made a character for running (arcane)
>struggle through the early game, power through NG and DLC
>go into NG+ with chalices in mind and the ability to purchase ritual blood 5
>realize I forgot the living string from the brain

JUST

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>>161627942
>Hating on based Kirk
Git gud

>>161627942
>kirkhammer
>anything other than absolutely amazing in both forms
Get the fuck OUT

>>161628558
First form is the exact same as ludwig's holy meme.

Second form doesn't do enough damage and I hate HATE that fucking sound it makes EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU HIT WITH IT.

I will admit, a charged R2 can be satisfying, but again, the damage just isn't worth it considering how much time you invest in charging it. This is also a problem for transformed R1's - too slow and not enough damage. When I try to R1 spam I get hit. That doesn't happen with my saw cleaver or whirligig saw.

Honestly just an all-round awful weapon.

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>>161628753
>It's a bad weapon because I can't R1 spam with it
I forget that the occasionally shitter manages to find their way here.

>>161628753
>Second form doesn't do enough damage
What kind of gems are you running in it? A Heavy Abyssal and 2 27.2s is enough to amp up the damage that both forms deal by a crazy amount. We're talking about a weapon able to hit for 1K + damage without charge attacks.

>I hate HATE that fucking sound it makes EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU HIT WITH IT.
>hating that incredibly satisfying metallic crashing sound

>transformed R1's - too slow
>literally saying it's a bad weapon because you can't hammer R1 to win
Like almost all of the slower weapons in Bloodborne, you can't just expect to walk up to an enemy, hit R1 and win. Like almost all of the slower weapons (Boomhammer is another excellent example) you actually have to pick when you attack a bit more careful than with weapons like the Saw Cleaver/Spear and even the Whirligig Saw. Whirligig has the advantage of that obscenely abusable tricked Quickstep R1.
Kirkhammer is slow and incredibly powerful, and the tricked moveset emphasises that power over speed.

>>161628753
>not enough damage

Then you're not hitting right. The Kirk has a sweetspot and a shockwave. You need to aim a little bit to the side of whatever you're fighting in order to get the max out of it, and then the numbers get goofy.

Also,
>Not liking the smashy sounds

>>161628897
This game is literally built around R1 spam, champ. Why do you think the health regen system is how it is, huh?

>>161629037
The Rally system is also heavily influenced by your weapon and what attacks you use. Sweeping weapons like the Threaded Cane/Beast Cutter have low Rally potential in their tricked forms because you're expected to hit more than one target at a time with their attacks, while more powerful weapons and certain attacks restore much more HP.

>>161628990
>What kind of gems are you running in it?
Two 20% physicals, one 19% physical. I don't have PS+, so getting 27 % gems is out of the question unfortunately.

>The Kirk has a sweetspot and a shockwave. You need to aim a little bit to the side of whatever you're fighting in order to get the max out of it, and then the numbers get goofy.
So I have to unlock and free-aim? Fuck off, that is bullshit.

>>161629169
You don't HAVE to free-aim, but it's extremely beneficial, especially in PvP. In PvE you're fine with just locking on. Besides, Souls games have always expected you to free-aim a bit with slower weapons if you want to avoid whiffing all the time.

>those gems
Yeah, you're losing out on a lot of damage, especially without the Heavy Abyssal. The amount of damage you get from boosting the scaling with the Heavy Abyssal alone is actually huge.

>>161627263
> You can't get +15 phys or +5.6% vs open foes on the waning gem, but the extra two percent blanket attack is probably better than another 15 flat physical, considering the weapon

Are you sure? 15 Phys would help the multihit attacks by a lot more than the %gems, considering 15 flat sometimes outweighs the difference between 24.8% and 27.2% gems, I am sure the difference between 19.5% and 21.5% is even more leaning towards the flat damage. Especially with multihits on all R2 attacks and dashing/running r1s.

There are no useful secondaries on a Waning gem for the wheel. Beast Hunter or +1 health regen are the best you can get.

>>161629037
Why do I get the feeling you're gonna come back later and complain about how "broken" Ludwig is because you can't stunlock him to death?

>>161629169
>Needing player input instead of brainlessly smashing the R1 button is bad

There are a lot of instances where playing unlocked is better. Having full control of the camera, being able to have ready access to running attacks, making sure the camera doesn't lose its shit against bigger bosses. Most importantly, being able to aim your attacks. With bigger, slower weapons, playing unlocked is almost always beneficial. It can take a bit of getting used to, but once you figure it out, you'll be playing better even if you're using a faster weapon.

>>161629343
The reason to take flat damage over percent damage is for attacks that have lower base damage. While I'm not certain about it, I'm fairly positive the arc Wheel's R2's constitute percent over flat. I could be wrong though, I don't actually know all the numbers. My Wheel is uncanny and uses two Rom abyssals, but that's mostly just because I haven't bothered farming an Amygdala waning to check yet.

You are right though, the secondaries on waning gems are garbage for split damage weapons that aren't Tonny or Boomhammer.

Holy shit, fuck Shadows of Yharnam. those whip like attacks are fuckin horshit.

>>161629536
You need help anon?

>>161629461
I don't any issues with Ludwig. I think his second form is a bit bullshit since you have to time your dodges differently and getting back to it and going through the first phase again takes time, but I got used to it.

I think Orphan's phase two is more """broke""" just because how relentless it is and how few opening there are.

>>161629560
Actually, yeah, I'd appreciate some help.
I'm level 44 and I can wait outside the fog door
no password

>>161629665
well i don't have a character that low, just put a password anon its much easier :)

>>161629765
is 44 too low for Shadows?

>>161629832
No, not really level 40 for forbidden woods is pretty on track

>>161629832
Oh i actually have a level 50 im ringing now

>>161629505
> itive the arc Wheel's R2's constitute percent over flat. I could be wrong though, I don't actually know all the numbers.

The multipliers are big, but each one is followed by two 0.15x multiplier "spins" of the wheel. These attacks get practically nothing from % gems, but an extra 15 will always be applied.

I wish I knew exactly how the wheels tricked mode worked. I know Arcane damage damage gets boosted by 200%, but where in the formula does this go? Does the base damage go from 50 to 150? Or does it act like a 200% arcane gem?

Same with the physical damage, does it get reduced by 30%, or reduced to 30%? And wear is this reduction taking place?

Ayyyyyyyyy
thanks a lot my dude!

I recorded a video of me tackling Laurence for the first time in ages. Turns out I'm not very good at handling shockwaves of the visible kind.
https://youtu.be/f5CpHYMIxgY

>>161630343
This NG+ then? Well fought, he looks the most annoying fucking thing ever with his lava trails. How many attempts it take to do the deed?

>>161630343
disliked

>>161630551
Only two, on NG. I honestly found phase 1 more difficult because of the fire accompanying so many of his attacks giving him extra range. Phase 2's not too bad, just gotta stick close.

>>161630552
Y-you too

>>161629505
>The reason to take flat damage over percent damage is for attacks that have lower base damage.

Sort of. You actually just do the math. What's more: 2% of the weapon's AR (with 2 gems) or 15?

So e.g. if a weapon has 500 AR, 2% of that is 10. That's less than 15. So you'd go with the gem that has 15 flat damage.

So let's look at Wheel. At 25 Strength and 50 Arc, a transformed wheel would have:

140 + 140 * 1.1 * 0.5 = 217 ungemmed physical AR.
150 + 150 * 1.06 * 0.85 = 285 ungemmed arcane AR.

217 * 1.195 * 1.215 = 315 physical AR after 2 gems.
285 * 1.195 * 1.215 = 414 arcane AR after 2 gems.

The difference between a 19.5% or 21.5% for the 3rd gem is 2%, or 0.02.

315 * 0.02 = 6.3
414 * 0.02 = 8.28

8.28 + 6.3 = 14.58

Or in other words, it really doesn't matter whether you use a 21.5% or 19.5%/15 on a 25/50 wheel. Which hits harder will depend on an enemy's defenses, and it will make a trivial difference.

If you want to compare lots of weapons, the simple way of doing this is dividing the flat value by the difference in the % AR increase of the products of all the gems. E.G.

15 / ( 1.195 * 1.215^2 - 1.195^2 * 1.215)
15 / (1.764 - 1.735)
15 / 0.029 = 517

This gives you the gem set-ups' breakpoint. Higher than the breakpoint, and the gem setup with the higher +% is better. Lower than the breakpoint, and then gem setup with the lower +% is better. This will be true of any weapon, and it gives you a weapons' gemless AR. That's useful, because it lets you compare which of two gem set-ups is stronger across multiple weapons, without having to calculate each weapons' gemmed AR.

You've also got to take into account attack damage multipliers, though. That's because +flat damage is unaffected by multipliers. To do this, simply divide the breakpoint by the multiplier. So for example, on a 0.95x attack, the breakpoint for the above gem setup would be:

517 / 0.95 = 544.

Similarly, for a 1.3x multiplier, the breakpoint would be:

517 / 1.3 = 398.

>>161630095
>Does the base damage go from 50 to 150? Or does it act like a 200% arcane gem?

There's literally no difference. Physical damage is reduced by 30%, to 70%.

>>161630852
Also the +15 flat physical will do very, very little for the spins because of how the defense formula works. The spins' AR is already so low, that increasing the AR further does not actually increase the damage by much. At 50 Strength with two 19.5% and a 21.5%, you're talking about going from ~64 to ~79 unmitigated damage, assuming you go from having two +15 flat phys to three +15 flat phys. Against a target with 200 physical defense, that's an increase of ~3 points of mitigated damage.

>>161630769
Are you still updating the Build Planner? I have a handful of fixes to dump off if you want them.

>>161631432
I haven't worked on it in a while. If you post the problem and it isn't a hassle to fix, I'll get around to it on the weekend.

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>>161630769
>all of this math for game

can someone post the updated arcane guide? i want to torch/ayy some beasts again

>>161632219
>again
so how can't you remember to pick up flamesprayer from gilbert, fire gem from the brainsucker, arcane gem from cave near clinic, then just going through dungeons? are you a fucking retard?

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>>161632219
I got u senpai

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>>161632384
thank you sir

>>161632047
Alright, here goes:

-Build Planner-
Fire damage in the Damage Simulator is missing the actual values
Weapons don't get flat damage from other types added when it doesn't already include / isn't converted to that type (although not very relevant since the damage added will be so low)
Bloodletter displayed damage puts base damage in arcane types when arcane gems are used
A number of weapons have attack choices of T.R1[6-8] that don't correspond to any attacks (taken from BoM?)
Untricked L1 on Tonitrus and Boom Hammer should deal the same damage as the Tricked L1 Attacks (with increased bolt / added fire)
Tonitrus tricked moveset doesn't include the +40 Bolt given by the buff, same with tricked Wheel's +20 Arcane
Could add a way to choose Logarius' Wheel L2 buff values if you wanted.
Ithink the Beast's Embrace Beast Claw moveset is missing
Rifle Spear L2 is missing damage

-Bloodborne Stuff-
Amygdalan Arm should repeat from the 2nd R1 in untricked mode, not the 1st
Beasthunter Saif has red text for Jump Attack in Bloodborne Stuff (dunno if that means anything)

-Both-
For both Kirkhammer and Ludwig's Holy Blade: the untricked L1 attacks also deal blunt damage
Might benefit from switching the L1 followup attacks, that way it shows which L1 attack / transform they follow
The damage calculator has the followup attacks reversed. (for example, Ludwig's Untrick L1 > R1 should be the Blunt 0.96 attack)
Can also comment that Ludwig's Trick L1 followup and Chikage Untrick L1 followup can only be used after a regular transformation, and not after the transform attack

>>161633149
Gonna be farming 5pwu for a little while to get some Triangle gems. Anyone want in?

>>161633836
Whoops, wasn't meant to be a reply.

>>161633836
whats the boss? and wont it just take longer what with waiting for summon?

>>161634056
Watchers. Doesn't necessarily take much longer because you can just ring in with SRRC and a password.

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>>161633149
Thanks a bunch for this. I'll put this in a notepad file and take a look at it over the weekend. Unfortunately, the way I built this thing, it's a bit of a mess. I didn't really know wtf I was doing when I started on it. Some of these that should be simple fixes, might actually be a big hassle. I'm working more hours now than I was when I originally made the planner, so idk how much I will have the time to deal with.

There's one issue I know of regarding +flat damage gems on HMLS, and how they interact with projectile attacks, but fixing it would take a long time, possibly requiring me to reformat the spreadsheet in some ways. HMLS in general is a big pain in my ass desu.

Some of these probably are simple fixes, though. Like the one where some weapons erroneously listed t.R1[6-8] was just an issue of some formulas referencing the wrong cell.

Anyways, I'm heading to sleep, so I won't respond, but if you've got anything to add, I'll check this thread when I get up in the morning.

>>161634085
i guess i'll do some then, password?

>>161634653
Password will be bbg, go ahead and start ringing.

>>161634680
Ringing now, I don't know the layout of this dungeon, I've only farmed pwmf22gu so far.

>>161634680
man this is too laggy, parries land like 3 seconds late

>>161634873
You can dip if you don't wanna deal with lag, that's fine.

Is it better to have 3 27.2% for damage or should I get some str scaling ones?

>>161634251
No prob, hope it's useful. I enjoy messing around with damage calculators and the like, so if I notice anything else in the future I'll share it sometime. Thanks for making the pages.

Also
>Can also comment that Ludwig's Trick L1 followup
Should be Untrick L1 followup

>>161635174
Gotta run the numbers yourself. No easy answer.

>>161635174
What's your stats and what weapon are you using.

If you have 50 STR and <25 SKL a heavy abyssal and two 27%'s is basically always better. In some rarer cases two Heavies and one 27% is the best setup.

Umm, guys, how do you riposte in this game? My character just goes straight through them and hits thin air, then I get smacked in the face.

Where can I get gems that add decent flat damage to my blunderbuss pellets? That'd theoretically be pretty OP would it not?

>>161635483
50 str 50 skill and saw cleaver

>>161635487
Sounds like you're a spooky ghost.

Holy fuck I need a little help on Blood letting beast. Anyone up for a boss run? Pls.

Password will be
bbg

>>161635498
Seconded. There's a webm that goes around here every so often of a dude basically three shotting forgotten madman with some flat blunderbuss gems but I don't know where to find those

>>161635498
>>161635836
Theoretically, I think you have to find a flat-Arc off-shape in Circular.

How or where I don't know. Maybe farming brainsuckers or a sarcophagus.

>>161635693

Which dungeon is that?

>>161636005
Is there not a BSB gem with a good enough + flat blood attack secondary effect? I know of a +6 blood secondary(have yet to do any testing but that alone might be pretty strong) but something in the realm of +15 or 20 would be cooler.

>>161636801
I dunno. I think it's the third one, with Rom in it.

>>161636934

I thought you meant bloodletting beast in pthumeru depth 5.

Ok, I'll join. Ring beck bell at layer 1

>>161636801
Lower Pthumeru Chalice Layer Four

>>161637030
Oh, alright. It's a long walk though, you sure you don't wanna do the quick search option instead?

>>161637035

Can I join on layer 4? Only got this game for a weeks, not too familiar with the coop yet.

>>161637089

Oh, wait. That sounds better. Quick search and pw and it should work? Trying right now.

>>161637163
Yeah it works by quick-search, but make sure you have the password bbg in network settings.
Did you do this dungeon yet?

>>161637196

I beat queen yarnham, so, yes.

>>161637251
It should work then, last time I got two guys from here to help me beat Rom and they used the quick search function.

>>161637280

Is it always this slow?

>>161637312
Yeh, it took them about ten minutes last time

>>161549957

>>161637392

Holy shit. You could get there quicker just rerunning the entire dungeon from layer 1. LEL.

>>161637494
Yeh it's pretty bad, but hey you're here aren't you?

So I'm gonna be getting a ps4 soon. How do digital purchases work on ps4? Is BB only $20 on there?

anyone got any good skill builds for claws?
>inb4 "no good beast claws build xDDD"

>>161637616
25/50 STR/SKL

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>>161637494
Thanks for the help dude. We went the wrong way at the start, but you got the job done.

>>161637658

Sure, np. Co-op really does trivialize boss fights.

Fuck lads, beast cutter is an absolute monster against Ludwig. It's like it has a hidden modifier or something, I fucking tore through the first phase, then just spammed r1 and got two viscsrals in the second.

Unfortunately now Maria is giving me trouble. Never had an issue with her in the past.

>>161637896

You have trouble with the beast cutter against maria? Spacing? Do you know it? You can literally destroy without her ever touching you with the transformed R2.

>>161637957
i never used the tricked form in her bossfight when i did my beast cutter run thru, was way too slow. normal untricked is good enough if you can press the circle button.

>>161638268

The R2 smacks her down. You can literally mash it staying at its optimal range. Easiest fight ever.

>>161637616
25/50 is your best bet.
>25/50 STR/SKL, (3)27.2%
150 + [(150 * .62 * .5) + (150 * .335 * .85)]
= 239 * 2.058075648
= 491

For reference, the STR leaning version is:
>50/25, (2)+65 HA +15 Phys, (1)27.2
150 + [(150 * 1.92 * .85) + (150 * .335 * .5)]
= 365 * 1.272
= 532 + 30
= 562
~5.3% of that is flat damage, assuming +15 secondaries on the HAs. With (1)HA and (2)27.2 gems, it's 543 + 15 = 558, with ~2.7% of that being flat damage.

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Post cringe-inducing fan trick weapons.

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>>161646014

>>161646251
Does that say "Vileblood Hater Sword"?

>>161646392
I believe it says hunter. But hater is funny.

>>161646507
wtf i hate vile bloods now

>>161646747
As you should.

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Can I buy this game with the DLC already on the disc?
Will there be more DLC?

>>161647260
You can buy the "Game of the year edition" or import the "The Old Hunters Edition" from Asia.
There won't be more DLC. When FromSoftware releases a new game it means that they're done with the previous one unless they want to remaster it.

>>161647375
Don't crush my hopes like that, anon. It hurts.

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>>161646014

>>161647838
>uses shining coins instead of bullets
>you can carry 99 coins
Imagine the parry spam.

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>>161647375
thanks man

Is bloodtinge even worth investing aside for the weapons that have the minimum requirement?

>>161648614
Not really. Bloodtinge is for very specific weapons and I don't think you can make a proper build that would utilize all the BLT weapons effectively.

GUYS

HOW DO YOU MAKE ARC/BLT WORK

>>161650895
You don't

>>161648614
You can either use bloodtinge to get good tricked damage out of the chikage, the bloodletter, or arrows from Simon's bowblade. It also gets big damage out of Evelyn and the repeating pistol.

>>161650895
50 BLT min str/dex for BLT weapon of choice 15 ARC for bone. All other answers invalid.

What is your opinion on locking on enemies?
Usually against large enemy I lock off, but I tried locking on Ludwig and he became so fucking much easier. Should I always do it?

>>161652174
I don't lock on for Vicar Amelia, Cleric Beast, Laurence, Ebrietas, Darkbeast, and BLB. Makes the fight far easier. Most other things I lock on to.
Free aiming during PVP is good too, so I do it occasionally.

Do Nourishing gems boost ripostes, or is it only Tempering?

>>161652672
Yes. The way this works is that viscerals deal thrust damage, so anything that affects thrust damage will affect visceral damage.

Does 25/25 even work?

>>161653253
>viscerals deal thrust damage
Huh, that's news to me. So my Church Pick with thrust gems will give me the strongest viscerals of all my weapons?

>>161653479
Yes.

Did you guys know that you can put TWO heavy abyssals into a burial blade and have 50str/25skl and have S scaling in str and B scaling in skl?
In fact, most skl weapons are just better if you do two heavies and make a str based quality character.

>>161653657
>Did you guys know that you can put TWO heavy abyssals into a burial blade and have 50str/25skl and have S scaling in str and B scaling in skl?
Anything else, Einstein?

>>161653980
Its funny that SKL is almost useless as long as you get heavy abyssals. Besides the visceral damage.

>>161654179
This is only relevant if the character in question intends to use a 50-25 meta build. Level 75 or under can't make use of this.

>>161653657
25/50 with 3x 27.2s has 2 more, is easier to farm for, doesn't have a portion of its damage as flat damage, and will result in better visceral damage than 50/25 with 2x heavy abyssals. The gap widens if you're willing to farm 24.8/15 temperings, which are almost exactly equal to 65/15s in difficulty to farm. They drop from regular BLB instead of headless BLB.

25/50 and 50/25 are actually very close in power on most Skill weapons, with 25/50 having a slight edge most of the time.

50/25 Skill weapons are for people who have a 50/25 build and would rather farm heavy abyssals than make a new build. Or if you really only care about Saw Spear.

>>161655321
>has 2 more

That should be "has 2 more AR"

Guys

Are pure builds possible? Only reaching the hard cap and then dumping the rest in Vit and END?

>>161655701
You mean like 99 Arc? Yes, but not really recommended for SL 100 - 120.

hey guise im having some trouble with gehrman on ng+ and would appreciate some help. bell's ringing, Im lvl 104.

>Logarius
>expect him to use the wheel meme weapon
>he doesn't

Fuck you guys for meming me

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Is MP for bullying?

I didn't expect a secret final boss to get cornered and sit there while I wail on him with a bowblade.

And what good it a magic pixel attack if you're just gonna slump over like a one pump chump afterwards?

Gonna need an assist on Logarius. Ringing outside fog. Pass is dg.

>>161657105
>want to help out someone
>embarass myself hard and die to the boss

>end up not playing BB for three days

>>161657254
I'm super low level so it's gonna be tough either way. Come give it a shot.

>>161657527
still need help?

>>161657983
Yes plz

>>161658006
Might have to run through the level, but I'm on my way.

>>161658006
i'm at the boss fog, is your shit set to worldwide?

>>161658439
Yeah. I'm sat outside the fog.

>>161658664
password is dg ?

>>161658765
Yeah. Should we change it to something else?

>>161658889
dunno, try bbg

>>161658953
Ringing again.

>>161658953
>>161658889
I think it's not working because I haven't fought him yet
Ok I killed him

>>161659189
I restarted the game. Not sure what fuck is going on.

>>161659363
Yeah I just got sent back to the main menu, had some network error. I guess the servers are fucking up.

>>161659445
...one shot. I might be too low for this.

Anybody wanna help with Ailing Loran Level 2 BSB?

What gems should I do for bloodletter? Would phys be better or should I put bloodtinge gems on it? Makes more sense for the latter because I'm at 50 blt

>>161659445
Willing to go again?

>>161659779
31.5% Off-shapes for max damage. 27.2% as a place holder if you plan on farming Off-shapes, or if you plan to use the untricked mode but I wouldn't recommend using it.

>>161660058
Sorry offshapes? Like triangular and waning? Right now I'm using the regular bloodletter. I could level up an uncanny or lost if its better but I have no idea. Also I use it mostly in tricked form

>>161660236
Yeah shapes that aren't normally dropped from certain enemies. Shotgun Watcher mobs drop 31.5% Circles but have a very rare chance to drop other shapes. Stick to the regular Bloodletter since there's no version with a Circle slot, if you manage to get 2 perfect Radials and a Triangle then you're set. If you get a perfect Waning and 2 Radials then Uncanny would be better, or Lost if you get a perfect Radial, Triangle, and Waning. There's a glyph in the OP you could use, best one is the one in Isz that starts with a y

>>161660236
Shotgun Watchers drop Blood Attack Up gems. However, they drop in circles. There is a small chance, maybe 1 in 100 or thereabouts, that they drop a gem in a shape other than it's native one. So, if you farm them enough, you can get Blood Attack Up gems in Radials, Triangles, and Wanings, allowing you to use them on your Letter, as no Letter type has a circle slot.

It doesn't matter which Letter you use, as the shapes you get are random. Just use whatever you have, and if you end up being able to fully gem a Letter with different slots than the one you're using, switch then. There is no sense in planning which gem shapes to get when it's going to be completely random anyway.

IT'S OFFICIAL. The reasearch hall is the shittiest most annoying level in the game. Fuck gank squads

>>161652174
My basic rule of thumb when it comes to bosses is if you can parry them then I lock on. But if they're too big then it's a lot easier to play unlocked for a better view of where to roll.

>>161661148
They give you two Blue Elixirs right at the start, which are a hint in and of themselves, but also enough to blast past the worst parts.

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>>161661148
>dying to the goon squads repeatedly
Are you in ng++ or something? Yeah it's possible to die to them but they become predictable. The room with the 10 some units can be circumvented so you can kill the ones throwing projectiles first.

>>161661453
>>161661468
I'm serious, blades of mercy are fucking shit with their range and 0 crowd control and blad of burial is so fucking slow

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>>161616369
hey it's not like you need any modifier besides Cursed

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Finally top 70 Vilebloods.

>>161661801
Then switch weapons. I had 0 trouble in that area with a ludwigs.

>>161661801
They are the slowest enemies in the game. If they are 2fast4bb then you are doing something very wrong.

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>>161661801
>blad of burial
More like "bad of burial" amirite?

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AoE attacks are an artificial means of raising difficulty. This has been true for every boss it has been lazily slapped onto in the entire Soulsbourne series.

>>161662220
>Ludwig meme blade
yeah sorry I don't like playing on easy

>>161661894
>>161661923
>>161662378
>>161662410
Yeah I usually perform quite bad with normal enemies respect to bosses. I just lose my patience fighting 100 broccoli shits.

>>161659649
1. Hold forward left the whole fight
2. never get get hit
3. enjoy your win

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>>161662557
Difficulty is an artificial means of making games difficult. This has been true of every game that has been slapped together in the entire Soulsborne series.

>>161663036
He always gets me with a grab in his third phase

>>161662557
>Soulsbourne
Weak bait tbqh

>>161655743
You still there hoonter?

>>161663156
if you keep moving his grabs should miss you as well

seriously, just always be strafing and never walk towards his face, that's the dangerous end

>>161662557
You could say that about almost everything. The high damage, stamina bar, limited heal, no map, etc. That's a pretty stupid thing to say

If anybody still needs help, reply plz

>>161663510
Aight, I'll give it a shot

>>161663520
None of what you said are similar to the addition of AoE attack. Those are all part of game's core mechanics and the games would be leser without those. Slapping on AoE effect on a melee attack is just lazy and sign of poor design in a boss. Example: Stray Demon in Dark SOuls 1. it's basically the same thing as the very first boss but the only difference is that it now has AoE attacks. It doesn't behave any differently and it doesn't have any other new attacks. This is a trend that continued to BB with a lot of big sperging out-tier beast bosses.
This actually why Dark Souls 3 has arguably the best collection of bosses, very few, if any, relied on cheap and lazy tricks like AoE attacks on a basic small attack