/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

REDDIT LOREFAGS ARE FUCKING RETARDED

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WHY
CANT
YOU
ALL
JUST
GET
ALONG

>>161484626
someone explain op's pic to me

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>>161484873

Explain.

>>161484864
It's possible that after beating LFs that one of them won't die, and you can drag it in to Maria's boss room before you trigger the fight.

That picture is what happens.

>>161484864
Anon gets visceraled by Maria as a Living Failure who wandered in unveils the cosmos

The whole image just looks completely absurd really

>>161485129
thats amazing

>>161478739
>teh fayce wen anon uses the meme that I once suggested
My life is complete now

What exactly makes the FPS so inconsistent? For example my first fight against Darkbeast Paarl absolutely shit on my framerate, but that wasn't the case on my 2nd time around. The unseen village is also giving me a shit frame rate on my 2nd playthrough, although it didn't in my first. Other bosses such as BSB, Ludwig, and the fire doggo from the chalice dungeons all have given me different frame rates depending on the playthrough, so what exactly is going on?

>>161485874
I only get FPS drops when I'm standing right in the middle of a blood explosion, face-first in One Reborn corpse explosions or a single random one during chalice co-op, very rarely. It's always pretty consistent for me.

What if everyone is overthinking Oedon, and he's simply the Amygdala that lives on Oedon chapel? The lore says he has no physical form, but maybe that's just because nobody went over 40 Insight?

what stats do I want on my cursed phys gems? (for pve)

>>161486625
Its possible but I doubt it. The connections between Oedon and the moon presence are too great imo.

Not to mention there is a perfect window in Oedon chapel that allows moonlight to come in and you can see the moon perfectly if you look up, and on top of that this beam of moonlight is right next to the prostitute.

We do not have anything concrete on Oedon, but the description of Formless Oedon implies activity on his part in actively searching for blood or doing stuff.

Amy's seem pretty content on just existing and not doing much

>>161487039
Radiant gems give stamina usage down so you can attack more without running out of stamina

>>161485874
The fur, do not get the camera inside it or close to it.

>>161487292
what about triangles?

>>161487179
>The connections between Oedon and the moon presence are too great imo.

What are the connections between Oedon and MP? The note in the lecture hall calls MP nameless, and everyone seems to know the name Oedon.

>>161484786
Because than we would have nothing to do, I love removing filth. Also. the child looks deformed.

Is there a limit on how many blood gems I can carry? I gave up on selling the useless ones a while ago and now it's getting out of hand.

>>161488406
Well its the obvious connectio between Oedon and Arianna's child, the umbilical cord says

"
"Every Great One loses its child, and then yearns for a surrogate, and Oedon, the formless Great One, is no different. To think, it was corrupted blood that began this eldritch liaison." - Arianna's Child"

It states corrupted blood, now you could say this is because she is a prostitute but I think its more than that. Arianna has blonde hair, and no one else in game does with the exception of queen of the vilebloods who has white hair. I don't think its too much of a stretch to connect "corrupted blood" with vile blood.

And that goes back to the deal with Annalise, queen of the vile bloods. Blood dregs clearly look like sperm, and it says only vilebloods can see them. So moon presence influenced the vilebloods so they go out and hunt hunters (who he also influenced to start). So now we have this kind of bioaccumulation, hunters take tons of blood so blood dregs slowly build up inside them. Vilebloods kill the hunters and take these built up dregs and give the pure dregs to the queen. Now she has a fuckload of them inside her and this is why she cant die. Moon presence has no physical form, but since the queen has so much of thse dregs inside her he can physically influence her, i.e. she cannot die.

"The Great One Oedon, lacking form, exists only in voice"

This voice comes across as Annalise, The moonlight great sword (started the hunts) and i think he also created the beast plague. The start of the game you see a beast rise from red blood, literally beasts are born from the same blood the moon presence has. I think the entire beast epidemic was influenced by the moon presence/ oedon to inevitably lead to someone like annalise/ arianna that could birth him a child.

>>161488319
"Radiant" is a type of gem, not a shape

>>161488958
Yes getting a gem when you have 99 in your inventory and item box will delete that gem

What's the significance of the bell toll? You hear it in the DLC too. In Ds1 the bell toll signified a player beating the Gargoyle boss, there's nothing like that in BB.

>>161489465
The louder you hear it, the closer you are to uncovering secrets that were meant to be kept secret. You are than supposed to be silenced.

>>161489465
Oh, you'll find out once you get to the Hamlet.

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>>161489669
He's not talking about the resonant bell and Bador you dinks.

Sometimes there's a loud BELL that rings in Yharnam at seemingly random intervals.

>>161489889
I have never hard that in the DLC, just Brador's bell.

>>161489647
>>161489669
No that's the bell ring, i'm talking about the bell TOLL.

>>161489236
>I don't think its too much of a stretch to connect "corrupted blood" with vile blood.
Agreed. "Vile blood" is church slang for Pthumerian blood, which Arianna has.
I don't know what you're trying to say with the rest of your post. None of that connects Oedon to MP.

>>161489465
In Central Yharnam it causes the huntsman patrols to stop and start. I assume it's just the bells in the astral clocktower, it doesn't have any real significance.

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Jesus how long is it going to take to farm these gems

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>Make character
>Play for 4 and a half hours
>Become super disappointed in her appearance

>Delete all that progress and make a new character.

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Post screenshots of your hunters if you want them drawn

>>161490386
Already have mine drawn but to other anons, definitely let them draw it by him. He's gud

>>161490123
Sorry I'm trying to connect a lot of thoughts and I have a tendency to ramble.

Basically what I'm trying to say is this.

There is evidence suggesting Moon presence influenced the creation of the beasts, and the creation of vilebloods to have a child.

Due to ariannas association with cainhurst, she has the blood Oedon/moon presence would need to give birth.

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>tfw enjoy playing BB a lot more than Ds3 but the dressup is significantly weaker with less overall options

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>>161490386

>>161490637
Moon Presence created the scourge to punish Pthumerians who violated the reproductive contracts they held with the Great Ones.

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>>161490386

>>161490637
What if the true ending, when killing moon presence is actually him having a child? Let's not go too far into the biological concept of father child, but let's try to see it from a heritage point of view. Probably countless of hunters have tried killing moon presence but only the good hunter was able to slain him and take his place as moon presence in order to krep the hunter's nightmare going.

>>161490947
Is that the Yharnam hunter top? It looks so much better close up, I don't like how it looks in motion.

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>>161490386
You're a cool dude anon

>>161490943
This makes strong internal sense

>Be unwilling/unable to contain your animalistic instinct to fuck and reproduce without at least getting married
>Become cursed with a regression that turns you into a proper animal, fangs and all.

>>161491086
yes
I can see why, the slip at the lower back cal look kind of silly
Otherwise, its my favorite of the three hunter sets (that I have anyway)

>>161490943
Not trying to be a dick but where do you get that from?

>>161491006
Possibly, but I think you become a paleblood great one, you dont look blood related to the moon presence at all. You become an invertabrate,more associated with deep sea great ones.

>>161490737
DaS3's best dressup option is Pope Robes. I wish BB had more fashion options, but then again, I don't want fifteen samey plate armours.

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>>161491116
Didn't realize how blurry that one was, heres a better shot of the face and stuff

>>161491273
Bastard of Loran, Ring of Betrothal.

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>>161490947
is that geralt of rivia?

>>161490637
>There is evidence suggesting Moon presence influenced the creation of the beasts
What is the evidence? AFAIK the beast plague is a side effect of humans dabbling with Great One blood (Ebrietas' blood, in the case of the Healing Church) to cure other diseases.

>creation of vilebloods to have a child
What relates that to Oedon?

>Due to ariannas association with cainhurst, she has the blood Oedon/moon presence would need to give birth
Agreed, she has Oedon's child (if you send her to Oedon chapel) because of her Cainhurst/Pthumerian blood. But what does that have to do with MP?

>>161491273
Hmm, that's true. In order for that to be still valid you would have to provide proof, that great ones run evolution from, snailfu to something bigger to something bigger.

>>161491334
Well Ds3 also took some of the best looking sets from 1 and 2 so of course it's going to have an advantage there. It's just that with BB i've been wearing the hunter garb since i've started and haven't changed it since (it also looks damn good anyway), all I do is change my boots and hat.

>>161491450
which outfit is that?

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>>161491457
that looks like geralt

>>161491450
Looks like something /fa/ would wear.

>>161491273
Like was said here>>161491428


Ring of Betrothal shows us that marriage was special and governed by the Great Ones to some degree. Bastard of Loran shows us that "Bastard" children were HATED by Great Ones. In BB all curses are thanks to angry Great Ones.

Not to mention Queen Annalise's response to being shown the ring:
> Speak not, those words. We have little need of a consort. Such a path would belike lead to further ruin. Thou'rt dear to Us. We would see no harm befall thee.
She knows damn well how bad it can be to take a wedding vow or produce a child lightly. She's saving herself for Oedon.

Are chikage builds a meme or is the chikage actually useful as a PvE weapon?

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>>161491581
Yamamura's Hunter Set minus the hat

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>get killed by bagman
>wake up here
Nani?

>>161491830
It's a very powerful weapon in its tricked form when you have high Blt. R1 spam in tricked form does a ton of damage and triggers rapid poison. The untricked form is a bit shite. The R1->L1 or L1->R1 attack is amazing.
The problem is that until you have Chikage, leveling Blt does nothing for you, and getting the Chikage involves beating Logarius, which isn't that easy to do at a low level with no good weapons.

>>161492187
If you're on your first playthrough, leave this thread before you have shit spoiled.

>>161492187
MALEDICTO

>>161491551
I tend to switch between three or four outfits I'm fond of, but I'm autistic enough that I also need to pair them up with specific weapons or I'm not happy. I could never much from DaS3 I was happy with, a lot of the armour was just too bulky or bland for my tatses. Bloodborne's stuff has more flair to it, prim and proper Hunter garb to tattered Yahar'gul rags, Knight clothing and armour, there's little that doesn't ever look good in that game.

>>161491458

>What is the evidence?
Couple of things that you're free to disagree with but here they are

In the opening cutscene we see a beast rise from red blood, who then burns up when he touches you. I think this is almost a vision of some kind, the beast is born of red blood, and dies to paleblood. The moon presence has red blood, and I think thats extrememly important considering every other celestial being has pale blood.

Ludwig, one of the first hunters was largely led by the moonlight greatsword, which guided him in the hunt against beasts.

Annalise had a liason with the moon presence as we talked about earlier.

As the moon gets closer beasthood becomes more prominent and more people become insane.

I think people are descended or directly related to the moon presence, as they both have red blood. As the night progresses two things happen, the moon draws closer and people become more insane.

So why is the night so bad on the night of the game? I think its because mergo, a paleblood great one is being born. And Moon presence is freaking the fuck out because look how much effort is required to have a child. He does not want any competition from a competiting species. Once you kill rom, roms sphere of influence in the moon plane is gone so MP can get real fucking close to earth and start massively influencing people. He's doing everything he can to make mergo is killed, because thats what ends the night and makes MP calm down.

Basically what I'm trying to say is MP has the most to gain from the hunts, and given his association with the early hunters, and vilebloods its not hard to imagine he's the big boy pulling the strings.

>What relates that to Oedon?

I'm mostly drawing parallels but that is the biggest thing in my head canon that doesnt really make sense.

>>161491802
Hm I never really looked at it this way, But I like this idea a lot. I gotta think about it but this makes a lot of sense.

>>161492187
SANGUINE

S A N G U I N E

this game is fucking amazing so far but holy FUCK if that two hunter fight with the faggot wielding the rifle spear isn't complete bullshit

>teehee its a huge cone that still staggers you even at the very end of its range and i have infinite bullets and quickstep literally all of your melee swings or poise through them and shoot you anyway :^)

I have a shitload of choices now though, i can go through the church doors, to the right where those two hunters were, to the left to Hemwick, or through the big courtyard in Cathedral Ward. Any reason i shouldn't go right?

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>>161493019
No

Yes

>>161493019
THis has me curious.

Why are hunters like ten times more difficult than any other boss? They are all easily able to kick my ass but fucking bosses are easy as sin compared to them.

Fuck enemy hunters. They have a gorillion HP and stalk you to the ends of the zone.

After playing a shitton of BB the last few days I have decided to go back to ds3 someday but with a bb build. Any ds3 fags here that could give me a fun bb build?

>>161493239
Hunters are also really easy if you're not shit.

Just play smart my man. Did a playthrough the other day to get a new build ready for chalices and none of the hunters were an issue. Killed the Bloody Crow without popping a vial. Beat down Black and White after Ludwig with little to no effort.

Seriously, just fight them like you would any other enemy. That's all they are.

>>161493474
>Like any other enemy

>Slow telegraphed attacks versus player-hunter animations
>Rolling and dodging like a player
>Bullshit blunderbuss shots out of nowhere

>>161493584
Spam whatever fast attack you have and dash out whenever you're low on stamina.

Parry. Gun spam if you want, they stagger from it just like you do.

They are not difficult.

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Fuck this area.
Fuck instakill grabs.
Those Bagmen are the most bullshit motherfuckers so far.
Then i gotta avoid not one but TWO giant pigs
And I cant even go get more Blood Vials.
fuckin epic

>>161494028
There's a lamp maybe 15 seconds away from where you start.

You're in an area at a much lower level than you're supposed to be. That's the gimmick of the bagmen: they drag you to a later game area.

You're absolutely retarded for not figuring this out yourself and instead making me spell it out for you.

>>161494336
It's literally up two flights of stairs with no barriers. Anyone that's exploring will find it in like 2 minutes tops.

>>161494028
Seriously, if this is your first playthrough you should really stop posting so you won't get spoiled.

>>161493019
Go to Hemwick first, then check out the area past where you fight the two hunters (tip: bring a gun to lure two big lads close to you, there's some of those crawler things with upgrade items down there, sucks to lose them). Once you've done that, check out the rest of the Cathedral Ward.

>>161493239
Think about them this way - they're you, and can do anything you can, and look what you can do.

>>161494427
ive already been spoiled
I just didnt know about this place

>>161494028
Play the game blind, anon, git outta this general before spoilers.

You're also in an area you're underlevelled for, purposely. It's supposed to be hard and scary.

>>161494583
It's never too early for Yahar'gul.

>>161496307
It's never time for fucking Yarharhar

should i not be in Hyporgean Gaol (or however the fuck you spell it) at 35? I'm getting fucking raped by these jailers and those fucking jack in the boxes

I feel like i've been playing for ages but i've only fought Cleric Beast, Gascoine and BSB.

>>161496662
go fight amelia in the cathedral ward

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>>161496591
Yahar'gul is a chill place before you kill Rom, although there's nothing to do here other than farming shitty blood stones, getting the Yahar'gul hunter set and Tonitrus.
Paarl is a pain in the ass but whatever, at least it's not the Loran version.

tfw keep getting 26.3% gems instead of 27.2%

>>161493402


Crossbow in offhand and a weapon in the other is about the best you can do. Maybe have a parrying dagger in offhand as well so you can still have parries.

Get some weapon with a stylish Weapon Art to fill the void the copypasted movesets between weapon classes will leave in you.

>>161496662
Describe the jack in the boxes for me, because I'm having a hard time picture what you mean, because it certainly isn't what I think it is.

Hypogean Gaol is actually a later game area, but you can visit it early, good for farming echoes and some upgrade materials, also has some spooky music to boot.

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>>161489236
>Arianna has blonde hair, and no one else in game does

>>161498595
Valtr too, doesn't he?

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>>161498703
Yes.

>>161498595
Alfred, Valtr, Lady Maria

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>>161490386
Late, and not a hoonter, but can you draw Brador? I love the fuck but he gets so little decent fanart.

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>>161499086
>he gets so little decent fanart
Because he's an ass.

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>>161499086
I'll add him to my list, no problem.

>>161500217
Based MenasLG. Great stuff you're doing for this general

>>161500217
how are the others posted earlier getting along? When do you think you'll be finished?

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>>161500835
There's seven hoonters in this batch, I'll post them tomorrow most likely

>>161500973
Infrequent browser here, these are pretty noice, have there been any more?

>>161501608
No, I'm an infrequent browser as well. But lately I've been feeling the Bloodborne itch so I'm gonna draw it here and there.

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>>161500973
I would love to have my hunter drawn as well if you have time

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while I'm at it I might as well post one of my favorite features of Bloodborne. Taking your hat off after you've shed some blood

>>161498293
like a box and then a bunch of skulls jumped out

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>>161490386
I took this so long ago and can't be assed to get one without the HUD.

>>161502710
a-anon how did you skip to late game yahargul without killing the necessary bosses

>>161502710
Those don't exist when you've only fought Gascoigne, Cleric, and BSB.

Stop shitposting.

>>161489351
> Yes getting a gem when you have 99 in your inventory and item box will delete that gem

That's not true.

One of my characters has never sold or discarded a gem, and there's a lot more than 99 in my inventory.

>>161502896
>Father
>With vit

didn't take it that long ago then

>>161503812
Father's had vit since March.

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How can l get tier5 tomb mold if I can access lower loran but not Ihyll?
Do I need to farm rats for eternity or hwat? Alternatively anyone wanna do defiled Amygdala?

>>161504017
I'm down for amygdala if you still want help

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tfw farming for hours and only got 1 gem that I wanted

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>>161490386
If you are still taking requests please draw my hunter to.

>Some guy asks for help with a Demon's Souls build
>Shows his currently planned build
>It's SL 98

your cancer meta has spread far enough, /bbg/

must you claim my beloved homeland, too?

>>161505786
I hope he's not planning on doing proper PvP at SL98, because builds don't truly exist in PvE.

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I fucking love Yahar'gul. From really nailed the spooky atmosphere here.

>>161506137
>PvP
>DeS
>2016

pick two

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>trying to rush NG++ for the third ending
>can't get past Shadows of Yharnam, even after beating them on my first try during NG+

The worst part is I'm pretty sure I'm over levelled in the first place.

>>161506372
I pick
>PvP
Pick Two.

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>>161502451
Hey guys, vsauce. Michael here.

>>161506371
Wasn't it a base of operations for the School of Mensis?

If they already did their ritual, why are there still snatchers and Yahargul hunters kidnapping people?

Mensis didn't have anything to do with the One Reborn did they?

>>161507495
>Wasn't it a base of operations for the School of Mensis?
No, it's where the Mensis ritual takes place.
>If they already did their ritual
They didn't. The Snatchers were going around to gather the corpses necessary for the ritual.
>Mensis didn't have anything to do with the One Reborn did they?
They have everything to do with the one reborn.

>>161498285
>ds
A bit late but thanks anon. i also thought to equip that one ring that gives you more i frames with the cost of instability damage being higher. You know any other rings or stuff I could use?

>>161502451
is that Walter White?

>>161499086
>tries to lecture you on morality and murder
>after he murders anyone he sees trying to reveal the evil of the church

what a dickhead

>>161507306
do I have to ring my sinister bell, kid?

>>161508319
a shitty version, yes

>>161507787
>The hunters of Yahar'gul answer to the village's founders, the School of Mensis
I'm pretty sure it's their hideout

And what about that ritual they did to contact Mergo? Didn't they complete it, or are they merely pretending to be dead and doing another one?

>>161491551
One problem with BB armor is that almost every set typically 'aligns' you with some faction or person

>3-4 church outfits
>old hunter outfit makes you old hunter
>vileblood
>executioner
>workshop hunter outfits
>Crow hunter
>ashen
>graveguard
>knight
>student
>yahar'gul
>gherman
>henryk
>brador
>constable
>Maria

That being said, BB has some great fashion so fuck you. Just mix and match stuff

>>161505228
Absolutely. Be warned, I have shit for vit, 31 because bl75. Pass is bbg

>>161508701
They are both bald. I was not too far off I would say

>>161508846
yeah I can see it now that you mention it.

I'm definitely ringing my sinister bell now

>>161508716
>I'm pretty sure it's their hideout
It's not. They founded Yahar'gul and left their dead, mummified bodies here, but they reside in the nightmare.
>And what about that ritual they did to contact Mergo? Didn't they complete it, or are they merely pretending to be dead and doing another one?
You disrupted the ritual by killing the One Reborn.

>>161496662
I'm not the only one who did this progression line when playing blind?
I think From fucked up if this is that common, missing the "proper" progression route and easily stumbling into optional areas.

>>161508731
This is a problem with pretty much all the Souls games except for Demon's, which features many realistic sets.
Dark Souls III is almost entirely boss/NPC armor sets and it looks tacky as fuck. People who wear Ornstein or Artorias armor need to realize that they don't look as good as the real thing.
Thankfully I really like the Church stuff in Bloodborne and don't mind dressing like one of them.

>>161509152
Same. A lot of my builds have been like 'Vicar X' or things like that.

Currently have Defector as the title, with the Yahar'gul set and church weapons, like Defector Antal

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>>161508998
Where exactly did the other scholars go? The only one you find is Micolash.
Did they really merge into The Brain of Mensis?

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>>161508731
I am tremendously disappointed at Gehrman's outfit lacking that amazing cape. This is Ornstein's plume all over again.

>>161508767
Ringing now if you're still around

>>161508998
What were they trying to gain from the One Reborn?

Were they trying to bring a Great One back to life? Kos maybe?

>>161509419
Yep, bell's ringing.

>>161508998
You don't disrupt the ritual, you just ruin the result. Summoning The One Reborn was the ritual.

It was a rescue attempt to get the Mensis Scholars out of the nightmare. It worked to an extent, but they pulled them out as the One Reborn instead of as themselves.

>>161509305
You can find many Mensis corpses in the Nightmare. My personal theory is that they didn't survive the transition to the nightmare, but this is not confirmed.

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>>161509801

Is ludwig's rifle any good?
i want to use it to compliment my using his holy Sword

>>161509001
The Baglords are purposely super strong so if you do encounter one you will get dragged off to Hypogean Gaol and get a bit of a scare. It's intentional.

>>161509595
Ah, I forgot about those corpses.

>>161509575
This seems plausible considering the Japanese text says "The Ones Reborn".

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>>161509575
>It was a rescue attempt to get the Mensis Scholars out of the nightmare
That's a pretty interesting way of interpreting it.

Shiiiet Angus sorry about that. Failed to factor in Amy might target you with her jump.

>>161510460
No problem, we'll get him next time

>>161510426
Not really? The Japanese translation is fucked because while it is still 'The One Reborn,' the context of 'One' refers not to an individual but to an organization.

Like, that's the only way to interpret it, otherwise TOR makes no fucking sense in existing.

>>161510652
I guess I never really thought of it like that.

>>161510345
That set would look so fantastic if not for the apron on the front.

>>161509801
>>161509845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Rdp2--SjQ

>>161509595
I'm fairly certain they gave their lives in order to create the nightmare.

They knew they needed an immense amount of power, so they likely gathered the most arcane-savvy scholars and created it/created a portal it.

After all they were lunatics for the most part

>>161511070
Then how did Micolash survive if this were the case?

>>161510991
Yeeeaah looks about right.
She's never given me this much trouble before, I guess I've been away too long.

>>161511263
He probably was the one that held the third of the umbilical cord.

Requesting help for Camera Beast, I hate that thing. BL 70 pass is loran.

>>161511263
He's the one who was meant to host the nightmare.

>>161511263
don't you find micolashes skeleton? i guess only their mind goes into the dream

>>161511070
They didn't try to create the nightmare. They were trying to contact Kos and request ascension, much like Rom was ascended. They instead accidentally contacted Mergo, and Mergo's attempts to grant their wish resulted in the stillbirth of their brains and entrapment in the nightmare.

The only ritual material we know for sure is an infant, because that's what drew Mergo to the ritual. Mergo was also a baby, and great ones are sympathetic in nature.

>>161511389
On my way.

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>>161511429
You touch Micolash's body to enter the Nightmare Lecture Building.

>>161511263
He didn't. His mummy is how you enter to begin with. He only lives on in the dream.

>>161492568
Mergo dying doesn't calm down the MP and end the night. Killing Mergo's Wet Nurse, who clearly is responsible for ripping Mergo from the womb of Queen Yahrnam, ends the nightmare. Why does MP want MWN dead?


Possibly because MP is Oeden and he is enraged that MWN stole his child from Yahrnam's womb and left to a nightmare he could not access. Only thing i don't understand is the cycle isn't broken unless you kill MP at the end. Why would MP need to continue to host the Hunter's Dream and continue the cycle if killing MWN was his end game?

>>161511758
MP want's Mergo dead. Your exact mission is 'Find the Nightmare Newborn and silence it's harrowing cry'

MP is not Oedon

Wet Nurse didn't steal Mergo, Wet Nurse acts as his life support. Mergo can't survive without Wet Nurse.

There is no cycle, this isn't DaS.

>>161511430
>They were trying to contact Kos and request ascension, much like Rom was ascended.
Weren't they trying to beckon Moon Presence?

>>161510652
I don't think it's a rescue attempt per-se, I think it's an attempt to rebirth Mergo using 100s of bodies of the school of Mensis.

The ones doing the summoning are Pthumerian, why would they care about a bunch of insane human scholars' safety? Mensis and Pthumerians were working together to do stuff with Mergo. Mensis wanted to use 'the Nightnare newborn' for thier ascension ritual and Pthumerians are trying to get the (great one fathered) Hier to the Pthumerian monarchy back.

>>161511758
>kill mergos wet nurse
>hear baby still crying
>30 seconds of baby crying
>baby stop scrying
>NIGHTMARE SLAIN

>>161511889
There is a cycle. If you take the ending with Gehrman killing you and sending you back to Yarhnam it's said by the Doll I believe that the cycle will continue. Hence the graves of Hunters who have visited the Hunter's Dream before.

>>161512012
>Ah Kos, or some say Kosm... do you hear our prayers?
>As you once did for the Vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes.
>Plant eyes on our brain and cleanse us of our beastly idiocy.

No. They just happened to beckon the moon. The second ritual, yes they're trying to beckon the moon, but thats because they're trying to pull the Mensis Scholars out of the nightmare and need to recreate the circumstance.

>>161512131
The 'cycle' only exists in the sense that a hunt will continue to annually occur, not that the same events will repeat ad nauseum.

>>161511567
Thanks Gregor. I can always count on you.

>>161511263
1) Micolash, being the 'host of the nightmare' is the one who created the nightmare in the first place. Chances are, he was the big hoss and made all the other scholars blow their magical loads to create it under his influence. Them dying might've been a side product or he knew they would die all along, so he could carry out his nefarious ideas

2) They only picked the top/weakest scholars to sacrifice themselves

3) Micolash isn't actually corporeal, he and the other NPCs of the Nightmare are ethereal remnants of the ritual. IE the nightmare is a whole different world, Micolash might be the main body in that room of skellingtons but he transferred consciousness to the nightmare

>>161512054
Pthumerians are largely extinct. They don't do anything outside of Chalice Dungeons or the Queen.

Mergo also doesn't need to be reborn. He's formless, not dead.

>>161512131
The cycle is only the hunt, humanities own chain of sorrow. There is no DaS style cycle of the same thing happening ad infinitum.

Are you still ringing Elias?

>>161512242
And Hunters will continue to visit the Hunter's Dream which is sustained by the MP. Why does MP continue to hlst the Hunter's Dream after Mergo (MWN) is killed if that was his end game? He even goes so far as to try to replace Gerhman as host of the dream with you if you kill Gerhman.

>>161512475
Yes, and sorry for yet another instagib.

>>161512495
The Dream is used for multiple things anon. Djura used the dream during the tragedy of Old Yharnam, and Eileen dreamed at one point in her life.

Just because that's the end of the Good Hunter's contract doesn't mean it's the end of the dream. It has existed before we found it and it will exist after we leave it.

>>161511889
MP is definitely Oedon.

>>161512834
Is this the new 'Doll is Oedon' meme? Because it's not funny.

>>161512495
That implies that it's not a cycle, rather just a small portion of a very long story with multiple hunts involved.

>>161512495
I think it's fair to say that MWN is to the Nightmare as the MP is to the dream. Gerhman is the host like Micolash. So with the nightmare slain and MP's goal completed why does he keep sustaining the Hunter's Dream, so desperate to sustain it that MP will fight you to the death to sustain the Hunter's Dream?

Also, the hunter becoming an infant great one, is it to replace MP as sustaining the Hunter's Dream? Who becomes the host?

>>161512919
It's not a meme, it's the truth.
If the ingame evidence is not enough, From straight up confirmed it by adding text about Oedon in the page of the Moon Presence concept art.

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>>161512935
>Who becomes the host?

>>161513008
Please post evidence instead of just insisting it exists.

>>161512834
>>161513008
How can Moon Presence be Oedon if it's referred to ingame as the "nameless moon presence," as in it has no name, and yet Oedon definitely has a name?

>>161512385
> Pthumerians are largely extinct. They don't do anything outside of Chalice Dungeons or the Queen.

Except for the large concentration in Yharhagul of snatchers and bell Maidans in Yharhagul who are 100% responsible for summoning The One Reborn.

> Mergo is formless and doesn't need a physical body

Mergo was born dead and preserved in the Nightmare. An invisible baby trapped in a Nightmare dimension unable to survive without the Wetnurse isn't a very good ruler. They wanted an actual physical body for Mergo in the waking world.

>>161512834
>Oedon is formless
>Moon Presence has a form
That alone means that Oedon is not the Moon Presence. Oedon is not known as "Formless" for no reason, and all of the Caryll Runes associated with Oedon are sure to mention this formlessness.

>>161513132
This.

And the runes state Oedon exists only in VOICE

>>161512680
I thought that Djura and Eileen both broke their contracts with the Hunter's Dream which is why they reference it. They were both supposed to do what you accomplish but broke their contracts. If you complete your contract and allow Gerhman to send you back to Yahrnam you will awaken with no memory of what occurred. Yet Eileen and Djura both clearly remember the Hunter's Dream, implying they did not complete their task.

>>161512475
I'm gonna dash in as soon as it recognizes your arrival and try to see if we can't stop the boss from being buffed.

>>161511678
I-I want to touch micolash's body

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>>161513090
Pic related is all the evidence you need.
As for the ingame evidence:
>Oedon is known for impregnating women
>the woman on Oedon Chapel only gets pregnant when you unleash the red moon
>Mergo is the child of a Great One and queen Yharnam
>both Queen Yharnam and a great one called Moon Presence want you to silence Mergo's cry
>Annalise wants to get pregnant via blood dregs
>blood dregs looks exactly like MP's head
This also confirms that MP is blood-related, which also explains why the doll can channel blood echoes (also sound-related) into your strength.

>>161513234
>>161513265
Oedon only exists in voice because it's concealed by Rom.
When you kill Rom and unleash the ritual Oedon goes from "formless" to "presence".

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Anybody know why all the other Hunters aside from Alfred and Eileen just attack you on sight?

>>161513543
they want MORE BLOOD from you.

>>161513543
Chances are they're already succumbing to the scourge. That, or they're actively trying to stop you from achieving something i.e the NPC hunters outside/inside Yahar'gul that're dressed in the Yahar'gul set, or the Church hunter in Byrgenwerth.

>>161513335
Also, my theory is each received punishment for not completing their task. Eileen had to become the Hunter of Hunter's and kill the blood addled hunters and Djura was sent to keep people out of old Yahrnam. Sure he sounds like he is there defending the beasts that once were people, but he isn't doing it out of guilt for the powdered kegs burning Yahrnam to the ground, it was a painful memory that he is forced to live in because he broke his contract.

>>161513504
Right, and Eileen is the Wet Nurse.

>>161513795
Brilliant counterargument.

>>161513504
>Oedon only exists in voice because it's concealed by Rom.
No proof.

>When you kill Rom and unleash the ritual Oedon goes from "formless" to "presence".
See above, still no proof. You also don't "unleash" the ritual, you simply remove the source of the obfuscation.

And let me address another point:
>both Queen Yharnam and a great one called Moon Presence want you to silence Mergo's cry
>Queen Yharnam wants her own baby dead
What makes you think that? When you see her in the Moonside Lake and outside the room where Mergo's kept, it's clear she's in mourning from having lost her child. I don't know how you got the whole "Queen Yharnam wants her own child killed" thing from.

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ANGUS YOU BEAUTIFUL BASTARD THANK YOU HOLY SHIT

FUCK CAINHURST EXCECUTIONERS ARE ALRIGHT BY ME

>>161513961
>No proof
Oedon only starts acting when you kill Rom.

>you simply remove the source of the obfuscation
Aka you reveal something that wasn't tangible and visible. That thing has something to do with the red moon that wasn't visible before.

>Queen Yharnam wants her own baby dead
>What makes you think that?
She literally bows to you when you kill the Wet Nurse.

>>161513543
Henryk has gone insane, thats why Eileen hunts him

Yahargul hunters are designed to capture bodies for Mensis

Djura is into bestiality, the hunter below him and the minigun hunter are his buddies, also furries

Vileblood is a douchey vileblood

The frontier hunters are named Hunters of Despair, probably have gone crazy from being in the frontier

Brador's a douche, the church hunters are protecting brygenwerth/nightmare of mensis

>>161513346
Good thinking, he got absolutely destroyed

>>161514112
>Oedon only starts acting when you kill Rom.
Still no proof.

>>161514157

>>161514004

>>161514281
Arianna suddendly gets pregnant after the red moon.

>micolash 1 shots you in NG+
Holy fuck, not even the DLC bosses in NG+ hit as hard as his call beyond. What the hell. It's like he received a huge power spike simply because he's a meme boss.

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>>161514127
>the church hunters are protecting nightmare of mensis
Wasn't Edgar just spying on them?

>>161514425
Yes, he's from the Choir

>>161514112
>Oedon only starts acting when you kill Rom
Chances are that Odeon impregnated bloodwhore before Rom gets offed. Not only that MP already has a surrogate child in Gherman. There's no need for it to have another child.

>Aka you reveal something that wasn't tangible and visible. That thing has something to do with the red moon that wasn't visible before.
The red moon, like everything else fucky was being hidden by Rom. It's all still there. Amy still exists and can still grab you regardless of if Rom is dead or not. The red moon is still there and is affecting Yharnam regardless of if Rom is dead or not.

>>161514407
He hits so hard because each ACB projectile gets boosted individually

>>161514582
>Chances are that Odeon impregnated bloodwhore before Rom gets offed
She was fine before Rom died.
>MP already has a surrogate child in Gherman
There's no proof that MP considers Gehrman a surrogate child. He's only here because he's the host.
>The red moon is still there and is affecting Yharnam regardless of if Rom is dead or not
So is MP, the difference is that just like the red moon it's not visible or tangible. That's why it's called formless.

>>161514343
Happy to help and purge my man

>>161514493
Then why does he attack you? Wouldn't he offer teaming up with you or something?

>Oedon Presence anon is at it again
Repeating the same thing over and over won't make it true. I don't even have the motivation to counter your disilusions today.

>>161514838
He's nuts

>>161513504
>Oedon is described as the king of Great Ones but The Moon Presence appears rather frail and she exists hidden away in her Hunter's Dream.
>The red moon is not a sign of Oedon, no where does it say that or make that connection.
>Tomb of Oedon implies he has died and lost form, there 'Only exists in voice'
>Assuming Oedon impregnated the Queen of Yarnham, then why does the baby have no form either? The shroud has been lifted, so if Oedon does truly have form then why doesn't his baby?

Those are just counter points

>>161514847
>counter your disilusions
Because you can't, you're trying to deny facts.You might also want to check the definition of the word "disillusion", I'm pretty sure that it doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>161514768
>the difference is that just like the red moon it's not visible or tangible. That's why it's called formless.
So, if I were to, for example, hide my hand behind a solid, completely opaque object, my hand would suddenly no longer exist on a physical level until I moved it out from behind said object?
Because that's literally the logic you're applying to this. Just because something is hidden, doesn't mean it's not there and still doing its thing. The only thing Rom is doing is obfuscating the Blood Moon. As the other anon already stated, the Blood Moon's still whipping everyone in Yharnam into a frenzy. The Amygdala can still grab you despite being completely hidden from sight.

Guys

What if

Oeden is

Solaire

My thoughts on the MP/Oeden thing. No way are they the same Great One. I don't know MP's motivation for killing Mergo's Wet Nurse but when Oeden's child is defeated, the Hunter consuming the umbilical cords is enough to allow influence over the Hunter. When MP tries to force the Hunter to take the place of Gehrman Oeden's influence prevails and MP senses Oeden and immediately turns hostile. The Hunter defeats MP, not of free will but under Oeden's influence and Oeden then ascends the Hunter to an infant Great One, perhaps to replace Mergo in his lineage. The ingesting of the cords makes this possible.

>>161514995
>Oedon is described as the king of Great Ones
Where?
>The red moon is not a sign of Oedon, no where does it say that or make that connection
Oedon only impregnates Arianna when the red moon is visible.
>Tomb of Oedon implies he has died and lost form, there 'Only exists in voice'
No, it's just named after him.
>then why does the baby have no form either?
The ritual is only revealed in certain places.

>>161515104
>a solid, completely opaque object
False equivalence. Rom's spell is not a solid object.

>>161514768
>She was fine before Rom died.
As it turns out you don't feel preggers directly after you've been impregnated.

>There's no proof that MP considers Gehrman a surrogate child. He's only here because he's the host.
Host is a mistranslation, in Japanese it's more like Master. MP looks for a surrogate child which is why it assimilates you after you kill Gherman.

>So is MP, the difference is that just like the red moon it's not visible or tangible. That's why it's called formless.
Odeon was probably called Odeon long before Rom was even a great one. The red moon isn't visible. It, like the Amygdalas, very tangible.

>>161515030
Pretty sure they meant delusion. You know, he could be a non-native English speaker, in any case that kind of call out doesn't make you look any more credible. At worst it makes you look like your argument doesn't stand on its own.

Anyone want to help an underlevelled shitter beat Ludwig? Pass is pony, outside his boss fog.

>>161515242
>Rom's spell is not a solid object.
It follows the exact same logic you're applying to Rom hiding the Blood Moon, though; the ritual, much like my example, is hiding something from view. You're claiming that when hidden, the Blood Moon doesn't exist on a physical, tangible level. That's factually incorrect. If it WERE correct, then Yharnam wouldn't already be three-quarters of the way through becoming a town filled with beasts by the time the Good Hunter awakens there after signing their contract.

>>161515460
omw

>>161515460
Was gonna rush to your aid, but I'm not helping a ponyfag with anything.

>>161515269
>As it turns out you don't feel preggers directly after you've been impregnated
You also don't feel like Arianna when you get pregnant. It's an entirely different case.

>MP looks for a surrogate child which is why it assimilates you after you kill Gherman
You're just making that up.
MP makes you the new host of the nightmare, that's all we know.

>Odeon was probably called Odeon long before Rom was even a great one. The red moon isn't visible. It, like the Amygdalas, very tangible
Sauce?

>>161515428
>At worst it makes you look like your argument doesn't stand on its own
In what way?

>>161515564
But Ludwig is the pony fag, and we're going to go beat him?

>>161515242
>Where?
Doesnt, my bad

>Oedon only impregnates Arianna when the red moon is visible.
Correlation =/= causation.

>No, it's just named after him.
You dont name tombs after people who aren't in the tomb or weren't in the tomb
>tomb of sargeras
>tomb of tutankhamen
>tomb of nameless soldiers
plus thats not an argument

>The ritual is only revealed in certain places.
False. Rom could've chosen what and where to hide things, but killing him means everything is revealed, because she was the source

>>161515516
>the ritual, much like my example, is hiding something from view
The ritual is what's being concealed. Mensis can't summon the One Reborn without the visible and tangible blood moon.
Notice how the One Reborn only gets summoned after you kill Rom.
Also notice how everyone in Yharnam dies after the moon is no longer concealed.

>>161515580
If you're confident in what you claim you don't need to apply shitty debate techniques like calling out someone's language or semantics. It does nothing for the conversation, your argument alone should be enough.

>>161515621
Ah. Sorry good man, carry on.
I still can't help though because my wife and I are making dinner now.

>>161515460
No luck yet, make sure your matchmaking is set to worldwide

>>161515753
>It does nothing for the conversation
The post I replied to added nothing to the conversation, and my arguments weren't challanged in any way, he just posted a passive-aggressive remark.

>>161515694
>Correlation =/= causation
A lot of things happen when you kill Rom.
It's clear that killing Rom has great consequences on Yharnam.

>You dont name tombs after people who aren't in the tomb or weren't in the tomb
Tombs, shrines and churches can be named after deities.

>False. Rom could've chosen what and where to hide things, but killing him means everything is revealed, because she was the source
Do you see the red moon in Cainhurst or Byrgenwerth?

>>161515928
Ah sorry, should have realized.

>>161515727
I think you're failing to acknowledge the fact that the way time advances in the game is only tied to which bosses you kill as a gameplay mechanic. Slaying Rom, stopping her ritual and revealing the ritual at Mensis all coincide with the peak of the ritual in Mensis itself, which culminates with the summoning of The One Reborn.

>Mensis can't summon the One Reborn without the visible and tangible blood moon.
You're connecting two events that are, at best, connected by coincidence due to occurring at roughly the same time. Slaying Rom dispels the illusion hiding the Blood Moon and opens the gates of Yahar'gul, but regardless, The One Reborn would have been summoned anyway, because the Blood Moon is STILL THERE AND ACTIVE DESPITE BEING HIDDEN.
You're still operating on the logic that something that is hidden can not influence the environment around it. That logic is incorrect, which means your entire argument has no ground.

So I found 2 cursed gemstones that bump my phys damage up quite a bit but the catch is they both lower my damage against beasts by almost 20%. Is it worth it or is the tradeoff uneven because there's so many beast units and bosses in the game?

>>161516228
Just have a second weapon in your other hand that doesn't have -beast gems in it and you'll be fine.

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cease this fanfiction

post fanart

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>>161515580
>You also don't feel like Arianna when you get pregnant. It's an entirely different case.
First, yes you do.
Second, I'm certain great one gestation isn't instant.
Third, pregnancy is pretty much the same in all forms of life outside of those with eggs outside their body. Why should great ones be different?
>You're just making that up.
>MP makes you the new host of the nightmare, that's all we know.
All great ones long for a child, etc. Gherman is MP's surrogate. It's why MP assimilates you.
>Sauce?
Amy can grab you despite Rom's illusion. There's no reason to believe the Moon is any different.
Rom is an extremely new great one. Most likely created after runes were developed. There are runes dedicated to both MP and Odeon. There's no reason to believe that they both refer back to the same great one.

>>161516093
>Slaying Rom, stopping her ritual
What are you talking about?
Rom is specifically concealing the Mensis ritual and preventing it from happening, not perpetrating it.
As you can read in the game:
"The Byrgenwerth spider hides all manner of rituals, and keeps our lost master from us. A terrible shame. It makes my head shudder uncontrollably."
Rom is hiding rituals, and keeping a "master" away from their disciple.
>the Blood Moon is STILL THERE AND ACTIVE DESPITE BEING HIDDEN
Not active. "It's all a coincidence" is not a credible argument. If it was killing Rom would have been pointless.
Besides, you're ignoring the artbook page.

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>>161516049
Thats not the point. Saying 'the red moon impregnated the woman' is different than saying 'the woman was impregnated because of the appearance of the red moon'

Plus idk why im even arguing that, Oedon probably is linked to the moon, but the moon isn't the nameless one.

>Tombs, shrines and churches can be named after deities.
We're not talking about shrines or churches. Give me an example of a tomb that is named after a god, and doesn't imply that the tomb holds that god

>Do you see the red moon in Cainhurst or Byrgenwerth?
The blood moon is a phenomenon local to Yarn'ham. The spell or illusion or whatever you want to call it is only necessary over Yarn'ham, there's no point to make a bloodmoon over the entire world.
Not to mention the fact that there would be literally no reason for Rom to somehow still suspend the illusion over those places, because Cainhurst has jack shit to do with Yarn'ham and Brygenwerth is the fucking source of Rom.
Youre honestly just trying to force your theory, and you had good points at first. I presented counter examples in order to show you its not solid, because its not, but you're trying to argue them instead of saying 'Oh hey thats true!' So I'm done arguing with you.

>>161516562
>Why should great ones be different?
Because the child was conceived and born in a single night and it wasnt visible in its mother's belly.

>Gherman is MP's surrogate
Still no source. Gehrman is the host, that's all we know.

>Amy can grab you despite Rom's illusion
But Mensis can't summon the One Reborn until the moon is revealed.
> There are runes dedicated to both MP and Odeon
The runes dedicated to Oedon are the runes dedicated to MP.
No rune mentions Oedon by its other name.

>>161516594
>Not active.
If the Blood Moon wasn't active until Rom was slain, then the scourge of beasts wouldn't be gripping Yharnam by the proverbial throat. People wouldn't be going mad, turning into beasts and going blood-drunk. Once again, you're STILL operating on the logic that hidden things have no influence on their environments. The game itself shows you that is incorrect, as this particular Night of the Hunt is so much worse than the others due to the presence of the Blood Moon.
You're literally wrong. Stop trying.

ITT: nerds argue nearly baseless suppositions and don't realize it's a cosmic horror setting

>>161516795
No rune mentions Oedon by its other name because it has no other name. The Moon Presence is referred to ingame as being nameless, i.e. not having a name. Oedon is a name.

Honestly, I don't see how that could be so hard to grasp. Unless you're baiting, in which case good shit, you've got the thread right riled up.

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>>161516529
Dude this picture is really pissing me off for some reason. For a lot of reasons, actually.

Why is the blood flying outwards when Eileen is jumping towards it? The way it's draw, i looks like someone should be ripping a chunk out of Cleric's neck, not leaping on.

Why did the artist just forget the inverted ankle on Cleric's left leg? Like there's a bit of a bump along the back that looks like where the heel would go, but then the front is shaded like it goes down flush with the rest of the leg. Actually, Clerics left leg is just entirely fucked. Well, one of his legs is. Compare the thighs.

Why is the perspective all sorts of fucked up? Look at the ground compared to the walls compared to the figures. Specifically, look at where the wall on the left meets the ground.

Why does nothing have any texture? It all looks like lines drawn on flat slabs. Most obvious examples are the ground and the clock tower.

Why did the artist put more work into things in the background than the things in the foreground? Compare that pile of boxes in the bottom left to skyline. Hell, even just look at the boxes: they get more detailed the further away they get.

Never post this again.

God fucking damn From software are shitter developers can't even design a truly difficult boss.
>Fighting ludwig
>He's almost dead
>He hits me with hit swing spam
>It's okay, I'll judge dodge his next attack and heal
>...
>Why is he just standing there
>He's been doing nothing for a full 3 seconds, that's fucking weird
>Okay then I'll heal
>As soon as I heal he attacks and kills me
Input reading bullshit

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>>161517230
>get hit by the delayed part of a combo
>input reading bullshit

he did a normal attack chain. the last part is slowed down to fuck with your timing.

there is no input reading.

>Something strange happened, so I tried to save footage
>PS4 only saved 9 seconds after it happened
Fucking godamnit

>>161516736
>'the red moon impregnated the woman' is different than saying 'the woman was impregnated because of the appearance of the red moon'
In both cases it's clear that there's a connection between the red moon (Moon Presence) and impregnation (what Oedon does).
>Give me an example of a tomb that is named after a god
I'm no tomb expert, but Oedon being buried here doesn't make sense since 1. it's formless, 2. it impregnates Arianna.
It's called Tomb of Oedon because it's part of Oedon Chapel.

>The blood moon is a phenomenon local to Yarn'ham
Cainhurst and Byrgenwerth are in Yharnam.

>Youre honestly just trying to force your theory
There's no theory involved, I'm presenting facts from the game and most importantly from the artbook that you refused to address.

>>161516802
The night of the hunt isn't necessarily related to the blood moon. People become beasts in other parts of the world too.
It's when Rom dies that all the Yharnamites in their homes die or become beasts.

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>>161510991

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>>161516464

Anyone want to help a nigger with Orphan?
I'm on tilt and about to snap a controller.
Ringing at fog, pass bbg

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>>161517781
What level are you? I'll come stomp his face in for you but not if i'm going to get downscaled to hell.

>>161516795
>Because the child was conceived and born in a single night and it wasnt visible in its mother's belly.
I'm glad you admit that she was impregnated when she arrived in Odeon chapel now.
>Still no source. Gehrman is the host, that's all we know.
The master, technically. The one third umbilical cord is the source. MP, like all great ones seeks a surrogate. That surrogate is found in Gherman.
>But Mensis can't summon the One Reborn until the moon is revealed.
Yes they can. It, like the Amys that are around Yharnam, still exist and still operates at full mast.
>The runes dedicated to Oedon are the runes dedicated to MP.
Formless Odeon certainly isn't dedicated to a great one with a form.

>No rune mentions Oedon by its other name.
Other name? MP is nameless you mong.

>>161517864

70

>>161517492
>It's when Rom dies that all the Yharnamites in their homes die or become beasts.
And the reason for that is because in the game-world, the night has progressed far enough by the time you kill Rom that the Mensis Ritual has reached its peak, resulting in the summoning of The One Reborn.

You're not actually presenting any "facts" at all, because if you were, you'd realise that the Blood Moon does not suddenly start affecting Yharnam after Rom dies. The Blood Moon is influencing Yharnam the entire time you're there.
The reasoning we can follow is the state of the game-world changes each time you slay a major boss, inching forward through time. Killing 3 bosses before Amelia results in the Sackmen being active and able to kidnap you. Killing Amelia herself marks the transition from evening to night time. Closer to the completion of the Mensis Ritual. As the ritual nears completion, the town descends further into the jaws of the Beast Scourge. Killing Rom dispels the illusion obfuscating the Blood Moon, the Mensis Ritual and reveals the Amygdala that've been perched on various buildings. This also marks the Mensis Ritual nearing completion, which, again, marks Yharnam further succumbing to the Beast Scourge. By the time you reach the Advent Plaza, the Mensis Ritual is complete and The One Reborn is summoned.

Please, keep in mind that all of this would have occurred regardless of whether the Good Hunter was there or not, as time progressed in Yharnam.

>>161517870
>I'm glad you admit that she was impregnated when she arrived in Odeon chapel now
Nothing of what I said implies that.
>That surrogate is found in Gherman
No, nothing in the game says that. Other nightmares have different hosts/masters, they're not necessarily the great one's surrogate child. They aren't even children to begin with.
>Yes they can. It, like the Amys that are around Yharnam, still exist and still operates at full mast
Why do we kill Rom then?
>Formless Odeon certainly isn't dedicated to a great one with a form
It's dedicated to a great one that's called Oedon and its artwork in the artbook looks exactly like MP.

>>161517435
No I mean AFTER the combo.
He literally just walked slowly to the side doing nothing for a solid 3 seconds.
There is literally not a single boss in any fromsoftware game that resets their animation to the walking animation in the middle of an attack combo.

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>>161517652
That image is very amusing

>>161517781
On my way

>>161518210
Rom and Amelia are different cases.
it specified that Rom is directly affecting the Mensis ritual, and it's stopping the "master" of the conductors from joining them.
Coincidentially this note is written in a place that's related to Oedon.
If Rom was just making the moon invisible then killing it would be completely meaningless.

>>161517781
Please just hang back

>>161518545
>Rom and Amelia are different cases.
They're not. Both represent major milestones in terms of time progression and changes in the state of the game-world. Amelia may not be directly related to the Mensis Ritual, but killing her pushes the state of the game-world forward, closer to completion of the Ritual.

>If Rom was just making the moon invisible then killing it would be completely meaningless.
Considering the fact that killing Rom also opens the gate barring you from actually entering Yahar'gul.

>>161518609
Also, drag him to the water for phase 2. Fighting him on land is not good, for a few reasons.

>>161518213
>Nothing of what I said implies that.
The red moon phase is the last third of the game. The full night is the entire game.
>No, nothing in the game says that. Other nightmares have different hosts/masters, they're not necessarily the great one's surrogate child. They aren't even children to begin with.
The one third umbilical cord says MP seeks/sook a surrogate child. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Gherman is it. No other master is directly overseen by a great one so that argument doesn't mean squat. And you're talking the child part way too literally. Gherman is probably eons younger than MP.

>Why do we kill Rom then?
To reveal the fuckery. You wouldn't be able to see tOR or the Mensis Nightmare if Rom was still alive.

>It's dedicated to a great one that's called Oedon and its artwork in the artbook looks exactly like MP.
Actually it's dedicated to the Formless Odeon, a formless great one that only exists in voice. It is found in the artbook right next to the MP but you can't see it because it is formless.

Okay what the fuck does Ludwig have i-frames on his dodge or something?

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Okay now I KNOW he's input reading because he did it again, this time when I wasn't even low life though
Literally did nothing until I did something or until after about 3-5 seconds

>>161520290
Are you sure you're not just also doing stuff after 3 to 5 seconds? There's no input reading in the fight, anon.

>>161520474
If the boss is doing nothing because I'm doing nothing then that is literally input reading because a computer has no intelligence or capacity for strategy that would lead to them doing something like that unless it's literally waiting for you to do something to que up an action

If Oedon is nameless why does he have a name?
If Moon Presence is formless why does she have a form?

>>161520290
Every enemy in every Souls game has some form of input reading.

Shit I'd assume every video game ever since the advent of the tech incorporates some form of input reading.

>>161521040
This is stupid and you should feel bad about posting it.

>>161521205
(You) didn't answer my question,

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>>161520290
>When I move, you move
>(Just like that)
>When I move, you move
>(Just like that)
>When I move, you move
>(Just like that)
>Hell yeah, hey Ludwig bring that back

If Oedon is Moon Presence why there's not a single item description that implies that? And why every time Oedon is mentioned he's formless, existing only in sound, without any relation to the moon being made?

>>161520474
idk what fight he's talking about, but some fights in BB definitely have input reading.

The most obvious example I can think of off the top of my head is Gascoigne 3rd phase. After he does his leap attack, if he knocks you down and you input a backwards quickstep, then he will immediately do another leap attack and hit you out of your roll recovery. He'll do it in response to your inputting the back quickstep during input buffering, before your character has gotten off the ground, and he'll do it every single time. If you don't input a quickstep, he won't do a leap attack.

Oedon isn't MP, Oedon is mercury/quicksilver and he's in all of our blood something something kegare something Minamata disease :^)

I want to apologize for all the mp/oedon shitposting.

I started it this morning because I thought there were connections, I didnt want to start shitposting. I'm sorry boys

give me ideas for cute things to draw

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>Umbasa

What did he mean by this?

>>161523423
Gehrman and the Plain Doll switch places, and clothes

I want to see the peg leg old man in doll attire

>>161523423
Draw Oedon riding a tricycle.

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>>161523425
Pretty sure that translates to "Stop saving thumbnails."

Anybody got pic related in a higher resolution?

>>161523621
You don't need higher resolution. You need more eyes.

>>161523423
Draw the School of Mensis napping together

>>161523423
Doll heating up a pot of coffee on the back of a boomhammer while the hunter naps in her lap.

AHHH I BEAT LUDWIG SOLO
HOW DID I EVEN DO THAT
HOLY FUCK I BEAT HIM WITH FULLY CHARGED R2 INTO A RIPOSTE
SO FUCKING SEXY
Jesus christ after a few hours fighting him and losing, I take a break and beat him on my first try. God damn it feels great. Glad I decided not to summon for him.

>>161525086
Took me like 40+ tries first tie, but my first time was also in NG+, so I know that feeling, anon.

lets rape logarius together, ringing at fog pass bbg

>>161524531
That's adorable.

>"The Mensis ritual must be stopped, lest we all become beasts."
What did they mean by this?

>>161526113
Mensis are gonna beckon the moon, someone did it before, and we lost Old Yharnam, because it appears when that fucking thing gets called down, that beast problem gets REAL bad.

>>161526271
But I thought the blood is what turned people into beasts, does the moon do that as well? What doesn't turn people into beasts?

>>161526113
The madmen in Yarhar'gul are beckoning the moon for a second time. First time they did that, Old Yharnam got torched. The Blood Moon makes the beast blood go fucking nuts.

>>161526369
Think of it as the blood turning people into beasts, and the blood moon swinging around kicks that process into overdrive.

>>161526369
Vermin's in blood, enough of it turns out into a beast.

The red moon, I think it's partly gothic/folkloric moon imagery stuff, partly the Moon Presence seems to have some incredibly virulent effect on the vermin in the blood. How and why, I dunno, but the plague only goes into overdrive when MP's being called down.

Those disgusting slug creatures in Upper Cathedral are all staring at what? The clocktower?

>>161527358
The Orphanage. Their home. That you're raiding. You monster.

>>161525289
>NG+
I'm currently at Ludwigs on NG+ and holy fuck does he hit hard, I really don't want to know how hard Kos is going to be like. Actually i'm not looking forward to the entire fishing hamlet at all, just those shark giants were kicking my ass in my first playthrough.

>>161527706
I thought the little blue guys were the kids.

>>161527781
3/5 of this game is knowing enemy placement and movesets. You'll have a much easier time the second go, especially now that you're likely geared.

>>161527927

I'm pretty sure the ayys are fucked up humans that have been experimented on.
Is the whore's alien babby supposed to be the same type of creature or is it just lazy modelling?

>A toddler can beat cleric beast
Someone will defend this

>>161528284
Cleric Beast is the tutorial boss.

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>The best weapon is trapped in the worst game

It isn't fair... it just isn't fair...

>>161523497
>>161523864
>>161524531
These are all great. i'll probably have them finished by tomorrow, i'm really tired tonight

>>161523545
That would just look like a tricycle, anon.

>>161528284
It doesn't matter because father gascoine ups the difficulty almost tenfold compared to the cleric beast, especially if you don't know you're supposed to use the music box.

>>161528284
>>161528327
Well that didn't take long.

>>161528214
I'm thinking the latter. If it's MP/Oedon's baby then it should look unique or have no form at all. I think those things are newborns and the ayys are kids.

>>161527781
I solo'd the entire game and DLC except for one boss, the reason I got PS+, and that wasn't even Orphan. He's fucking tough, but an amazing fight, it's a rush when you kill him.

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Really makes you think

Why doesn't the main character turn into a beast after receiving blood ministration, and why does he/she get pulled into the hunter's dream after either dying or lighting a lamp? It's one part of the plot that I feel isn't really explained anywhere
From my understanding the main character is a foreigner coming to Yharnam to get blood therapy, but somehow 1. only wakes up after the mensis ritual already fucked everything up 2. doesn't turn into a beast and 3. gets pulled into the dream to become a hunter for no obvious reason I can think of

>>161528284
>makes random disparaging claims

>>161528284
>DSP can't beat the cleric beast without reaching level 30 first
Someone will defend this

>>161529187
We don't really know when the Good Hunter showed up in Yharnam or how long he was out after receiving blood ministration.
GH goes back to the dream when he dies because he signed the contract for blood ministration with the MP.
GH can turn into a beast.

Is it me or does Ludwigs have a shit hitbox on its transform? Despite being a greatsword the r1 constantly whiffs when it look like it should've hit. It's r2 feels consistent though.