/twg/ - Total War General

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Prussia is the stronkest!

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>mfw best dawi will the next faction

ARTILLERY ZU PFERD

the concept of a fantasy dwarf is retarded. A dwarf would be inferior to a man in every aspect, same way the neanderthals were utterly inferior to home sapiens, and for the same reasons: reach and endurance. Even assuming a strength advantage for the manlets, humans could easily dance around and utterly outmaneuvere those slow manlet shits.

>>161575450

Somebody post it.
I lost mine.

>>161575450
There's barely any Chaos Dwaf's in the Chaos Dwarf faction! Just warmachines, slaves, and ugly lava daemons.

>>161575581
but mah slayers

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>>161575581
FACT
Humans only kept dwarves alive because you can lift them and cuddle them

why are howitzers so fucking useless

>>161575654
>CD Warrior variants
>Infernal Guard variants
>Blunderbusses
>Bull Centaurs

Nah, there are plenty of Dwarfs in that army. I'm assuming they won't stick strictly to the Tamurkhan roster and that they'll include some of that big hat flavour of old.

>>161575819
pull them up behind your line and shoot at the other line as soon as everyone stops moving to shoot each other. They practically guarantee that you'll win the line engagement, which means you can absolutely ruin great Britain players by taking away their only advantage and swarming their flanks with sexy French cavalry.

I've won dozens of online battles with howitzers

So who has the best airforce in the game now? Vamp Cunts or Neets?

Why didn't the Empire just fly the eagles away from Chaos?

>>161576419
Because every part in world is fucked except Ulthuan.

>>161576186
Louen

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border prince stronks

>>161576186
Bretonnia is still uncontested champion

What's your favorite good and bad faction?

For good, I think I'm going to pick Bretonnia. Knights, lady of the lake, all that shit.
For bad guys, vampire counts. They're cool. The rest of the bad guys are all POO POO PEE PEE barbars.

>>161577336

>Good faction

No one is good

>Bad faction

The Empire endures.

>>161577592
>No one is good
get a load of this guy

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>too stingy to put their game on sale for the game awards like everyone else

oy fucking vey

>>161577789
Not worth getting anyways trust me on this one senpai. Wait till everything is at least 70% off 2-3 years from now.

>>161575746
the Average Empire Citizen has around 70kgs when wet.

The Average Dawi Citizen is around 100-120kg.

>>161575581

This is not mortal kombat you giant fagking.

A dwarf can hold a shield longer than you and take a blow harder than you and that's what it counts in an infantry line.


Please tell more how ethiopians are the absolute master race and conquered half the planet with their height and speed.

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>>161576065
>>161576615
Thanks anons, im gonna try this out.

>>161577592
>No one is good
This ain't 40k kid.

>>161577905
Neanderthals literally got BTFO by lankly homo sapiens sapiens

>>161578057
>>161577734

Alright, who is good? And please do not anwser The Empire.

>>161577905
see: battle of cynoscephale

when you're done looking that up, you'll realize why a dwarf phalanx would get absolutely smashed by a dynamic human army.

>>161578185

They got outbred though

Nearderthals were superior in everyone, and probably had bigger dicks too.

Homo Sapiens should've been genocided from the moment their lanky asses set afoot in Europe.

>>161577891
>[citation needed]

>>161575746
>tfw no qt Dwarf bf

>>161578326
Not really, they were just dumb

>>161578217
Dark Elves, Vampire Counts, Lizardmen, Chaos(only if you are a nihilist), and Maybe Bretonnia

>>161578373
Source: Me. I look like a Dwarf and I have 110 kg.

>>161578681

You silly willy

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>>161575581

>"muh realism" in a fantasy setting

Gee, I wonder who is behind this post...

>>161578764
So you're fat as fuck, and probably french as well.

>>161578830
you could probably make an argument for Lizard men and bretonnia, and you could stretch pretty far to justify the VC but the only thing the dark elves did right was apparently being right all along.

t. we wuz feenix kangs

>>161575581
I agree dwarves and elves are banal shit.

>>161578326
they were outbred because they were inferior hunters. humanoids hunt via endurance, tracking prey until it tires from exhaustion. Because humans were lanky, they were faster, could move farther in less steps, and completely outclass them in endurance. A primitive homo sapien could run a marathon every day.

All these mobility advantages play out on the grand tactical scale when it means that one army is literally dancing circles around the other. The humans would do exactly what the Romans did to beat the macedonians: humor their front line by not actually engaging but just staying right in front of them and chucking Pila and spears, waiting for your flanks to easily outflank the phalanx, and then finally pushing on all sides when the envelopment is complete.. You're kidding yourself if you don't think humans would take advantage of this.

People stopped using phalanxes because the greatest advantage humans have is our mind, and we figured out how to make it obsolete over 2000 years ago.

>>161578512
t. uneducated faggot
Neanderthals were actually a lot more dextrous and skilled at toolmaking.

The only reason they died out because they weren't social animals and lived in very small family clans.

>>161578915
t. manlet

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Hey guys, I just got Rome Total War, any tips or advice?

>>161579282
i hate gauls

>>161579282
spam principes and roman archers

>>161579068
Neanderthals had far superior constitution and were just as agile and even more resilient. They were simply outbred and assimilated.

>>161579131
first of all nobody knows for sure how they died out so stop acting like your posts are anything more than conjecture. The main leading theories-and there are many- is that they were either 1)outhunted because of their mobility disadvantage
2)genocided, because humans were smarter and had better weapons so they easily killed off their inferior manlet friends
3)mated, meaning the neanderthal genes were recessive and they were eventually pushed out of the gene pool, still lingering in our modern blood.

All three are likely true, contributing to their fate. Some were outcompeted, others were killed, and still others were integrated until there were no neanderthals left.

>>161578939
Dwarfs look like french?

>>161579131
dexterity and toolmaking have nothing to do with intelligence

are you braindead or something?

>>161579401
this is fucking nonsense and you know it. They had nowhere close to the speed or endurance of homo sapiens. You are UTTERLY WRONG stop posting retard.

>>161579282
Pontus

>>161579401
>outbred and assimilated

how do you think one society becomes bigger and better than another? Do you think these things just "happen" randomly and the cards fall after the fact? You realize there has to be REASONS that one community outbred/assimilated another community, right?

>>161579836
BUT

>>161579553
Not as far as I know, but accidentally using "I have" instead of "I am" is something french people among others do.

>>161579150

t. history "no fun allowed" faggot

>>161580149
t. "i can't reach the cookie jar, could you please get a ladder or call mom"

>>161580084
We don't say I have 100kg in french, we say I do 100kg

>>161580251
You do what with them?

>>161580251
Then it's some other language then, I assumed because you say I have x years it'd be the same for weight.

>>161580308
____

>>161580340
French works in mysterious ways

What's a good mod for beastmen?

I tried them in campaign once

>>161580413
I don't think French really "works"

That's like saying a car accident works, it really doesn't.

>>161580543
supprime ça

>>161577336
Isn't brettonia a giant nation of inbred, deformed peasants with like 8 fingers and clubfoot and shit?
I'll take the Empire as the my fav "good" faction even though I like the brettonia roster better, and my fav evil would be the human elements of the warriors of chaos. Trolls, giants, forsaken and the like don't do much for me, but chosen are easily the most intense looking dudes in the game.

I'm also amused that in a fantasy setting it's a mostly human faction that's supposed to be the big extreme power, usually that's reserved for demons or monsters with humans as mooks

>>161580543
You really can't say that while speaking English. If French is a car accident, then English is the Hindenburg or the Titanic.

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>>161580543
>>161580901
>mfw english speakers actually and unironically call a w "double u"

Been out for a while are we getting a free faction with the Welfares?

>>161580514
What didn't you like?

>>161581445
I don't know

How do the Beastmen make their weapons and armor? In the concept art they look like some very advanced craftworking techniques are used in their equipment (plate armor that fits their bovine anatomy perfectly and chainmail)

>>161581403
No, pay up goy

>>161581403
>goy thinks he's entitled to content
Fork up $19 a few more times for new factions and we might give you a free unit or two.

>>161581403
delayed until february

>>161580543
>>161580901
This.
French makes infinitely more sense than English.
t. German, aka France Sucks: The Country

>>161581342
In Latin, there was no 'U' or 'W'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W

>>161581534
I think they're pretty fun as far as hordes go. The gorebulls and minotaurs are great.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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We'll always be friends, won't we, Gobbla?

>>161581978
>>161582164
stop posting

So is SFO like FotE where the difficulty is spiked way up, so you need to play on normal/normal or hard/normal to not get fucked over?

>>161581570
>loot armor
>beat it roughly into shape
>strap it on
Beastmen are not known for their armor

>>161582291
>FotE
>difficulty spiked up
nigga you stupid

>>161581570
They're usually described as looting weapons after a battle and that's where they get their gear. Bestigors in particular get to pick the best loot from the stash.

>>161582291
No. It's recommended to stay below Very Hard because the dwarfs gets too much money.

I'm playing as the Franks and the WRE just offered me a defensive alliance. That's a bad idea right?

>>161582993
Yes.
Offer them a speedy death

Is Chaos actually getting their Lores of Magic?

>>161583218

The God specific ones?

Extremely unlikely until the Chaos focused expansion comes out.

Why are direct damage spells so unbelievably bad?

>>161582356
If FotE doesn't have the difficulty spiked up, why does a FotE loading screen tip say to stick to normal battle difficulty?

Checkmate, Bretonnians.

>chaos invasion event in game 1 when it really doesn't affect you unless you're empire or vampires

Hope CA have something cool cooked up for the elves, kangz and lizardmen.

>>161583218
Probably when the third expac comes out, if the rumour about it being all about daemons is true.

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>>161583503
Remember, if you pirate the game and its DLC, then you're a pedophile!

>>161583638
>DElves
A million demons
>Kangz
Nagash
>Lizardmen
A billion skaven

>>161581570
Armour is fashioned from looted armour of other races, hides, furst etc.

That being said, only chiefs have their own armour.All other armour is dedicated to the gods and heaped around the herdstone.

When several warherds come together to form a brayherd and the Beastlord has been decided, the bestigor equip themselves from the hoard. Once the fighting is done, the armour and weapons are returned.

>>161583550
Not all of them are, but lots of aoe ones are implemented as explosions (same as artillery) and it's really an unsuited ugly hack rather than a good implementation.

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One thing I don't get about the end times is there supposed to be skaven pouring out of everywhere, or is Vermintide just its own thing?

>>161584134
Yes

>>161584134

Not literally everywhere was invaded by the Skaven

A lot of places were though.

I would like to remind all of you that Nagash was Weak

>>161583978
thats pretty cool actually.

>>161583978

Thanks for the info.

What about their weapons? Is it all just handed down? Or does a warherd just start off with clubs and stone axes like the savage orcs?

>>161583632
I did my first ever Legendary campaign in any TW game in FotE as the WRE.
It felt pretty fucking easy.

>>161583978

Also forgot to mention that I was quite perplexed at the Beastmen intro when he was sticking the looted helmets onto the sticks. I just thought it was so they could have a PG13 intro but your post explains that mystery.

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>Gobbo archers

>>161583503
do this meme again after 2 $50 expansions and 5 more $20 meme race packs

>>161583503
>Pixmeme.com

>>161583978
also iirc the meme men don't do any metal working at all. All they do is steal shit.

>>161583503
>DLC jewery is okay because Paradox gets away with it
really fired my neurons

>>161585079
>$50 expansions

They are standalone 2bh. Hopefully not at that price.

https://vimeo.com/193870223/7bcb844b7b
>Treekin no longer have the chaos animation

Oh thank god it was just a placeholder.

>>161585079
>price never goes down over time
I find it funny how every new game is always apparently going to break the pattern, or is it just because you want a way to complain about something?

>>161582291
What's SFO?

>>161584714
Beastmen can do some very basic smithing; enough for axeheads, metal bits for chariots etc. but not much more than that.
They still use plenty of looted weapons though.

Magical weapons are either looted as well (there is a set of bladed gloves made out of elven blades), created by shamans imbuing a weapon (like Scourge), or gifted by the gods themselves (there is a story of a beastman champion of Nurgle finding his deamon blade under a stone).

>>161585280
>Hopefully not at that price.

Anon...

>>161585367
I find it funny how every new game has more DLC at an increased price. Where were the $19 faction packs in Attila?

>>161585501
charlymeme and longbeards cost even more than a faction pack with mini-campaign

>>161585578
Charlemagne has 8 factions and a separate campaign and it was still less than beastmen DLC.

>>161585348
>tfw got a really Rampart feeling from that video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0nhf1xl0Rg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VZC6Bogos4


Dwarfs and elves living together! Mass hysteria!/spoiler]

ITS FUCKING DECEMBER

IM ABOUT TO TURN26

WHERE THE FUCK IS AE

WHERE THE FUCK IS FOTE

>>161585913
HoMM3 elves and onward are gay as hell. I liked the freakish looking blue elves of the earlier games.

MF DOOM is the soundtrack for a trve vnderstander of strategy

>>161585905
Well the muzzies might have been the only new thing there 2bh. Neat events though.

>Best Strategy Game
>civ VI
>Fire emblem fates
>the banner saga 2
>total Warhammer
>xcom 2

Think CA will win it?

>>161585501
Packs were priced at about the same, but imo you got more for your money there.

>>161586225
Eh, I suspect Civ VI will win if only because it's a new Civ that didn't need an expansion to fix it

>>161583503
>Paradox
>Not the ultimate jewlords

>>161586225
XCOM, CIV and Fire Emblem all have very strong fanbases.
I personally don't know anyone who plays Banner Saga regularly and I've never touched it myself.

>>161586225
I hope it loses even if none of those strategy games are very good. Battle Brothers is better than all of them.

>>161586225
>civ VI
>best strategy game

This triggers me.
The """critic""" reviews for it triggered me as well.

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>>161584701
You tell me.
Beastmen fluff got the shaft hard in their last armybook.

>>161585280
>They are standalone
Ooops, forgot about that

>$60 expansions

>>161586518
>early access game
yeah nah

>>161586225
It's a good game but it will lose against the games with more content in the base game I guess.

>>161586703
>still more content than warhammer
hm...

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>161586225
Probably Civ, due to fanbase.

>>161581570
Ungors are usually decently capable craftsmen and forced by stronger Gors to make shit for them on top of all the looted stuff

>>161586763
Not hard to create some pixel art and write a bit of text.

>>161586763
waiting for ability to play as other factions. that and character models.

>>161586994
It's too hard for CA to make a decent strategy game apparently though. Guess when you spend all your budget on fancy graphics you have to sell more copies too.

>>161586865
It also might be "more" mainstream.

>Radious Mods has a Bloody Sun Boyz unit

Why do people hate Radious again?

>>161587106
Med 1 for best TW?

>>161587142
You might wanna check is other units.

>>161585390
Steel Faith Overhaul, a Warhammer mod.

>>161587142
>Radious literally fucking quit after realizing the Warhammer skeletons won't allow for easy texture mashing and he might have to put in actual work

top fucking kek

>>161587142
Hey /twg/ your favourite modder here! you may be happy to know I'm back :))))

But I don't know what new units to add to the game, so leave as a reply your suggestions for cool new units! :)))

>>161587315
More people also started to realize what his evil plans are.

>>161586518
>Battle Brothers
I hadn't heard of this game, looks pretty interesting.
Will get added onto the pile of games I could get eventually.

>>161587142
I'm only familiar with his Shogun 2 mods and those were fucking bullshit.

>>161587142
>>161587479

The worst thing about his mods is how it makes the games even easier.

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M2 aged like milk
S2 is highly overrated
Napoleon and Empire are awful because line warfare is boring as shit
Rome 1 is neat technology, but aged like milk
Rome 2 is average
Attila is the best historical TW game
TWW is the best TW game

The best period for the next TW game is the Renaissance and China is a fucking awful idea

This has been reality, smacking you in the face

>>161585501
Yeah its almost like video games work the same way as literally everything else in the world where prices are steadily increasing.

>>161587853
I didn't know inflation caused our currency to more than double since last year.

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EMPIRE 2 FUCKING WHEN?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXknALrHSfI&t=54s

>>161587752
I agree with all of this.

Haven't played Warhammer though, so I might have my doubts about that last point but no experience to verify them.

>>161587752
>tfw TWW reminds me a lot of Shogun 2 even if they have some big differences like faction diversity

Might be because they are kinda similar in "tightness" or whatever. Attila feels a little more messy. Either way tons of fun.

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>>161587853
>Unironically thinking that inflation, which is strongly regulated at 1-2% increase per year, is the cause of videogames getting more expensive

>>161587910
What the fuck are you talking about? Wrath of Sparta is 15 Euros, that's a 3 euro price increase compared to the most expensive TW:WH DLCs, and TW:WH has only been available for a fraction of the time which means price drops and sales are to be expected later down the line. So what the fuck is the problem? Unless you have a problem with DLC pricing in general, in which case no one cares.

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>>161575624
:^)

>>161588093
TWW is the best TW game because at the one thing CA gets right, battles, it has more complexity than all other TW games combined. I would highly recommend you play it anon-san if you like variety and tactical fun

That all being said CA has also realized how absolutely fundamental unique factions is, so the next historical TW game is going to have far more unique factions as well so I dont think TWW will stay the best TW game once that releases.

>>161588238
>unironically memeing greentext thinking he has a valid point

>>161588298
If only the battles were slightly slower. I can definitely see the appeal of the current speed in mp though.

>>161588090
Empire would benefit from better pathfinding AI and destructible environments, although I wouldn't look forwards to seeing heroes casting spells and shit like in Shogun and Attila

>>161588298
>so the next historical TW game is going to have far more unique factions as well
>historical
>unique factions
Nice oxymoron ;_;

>>161588172
>Might be because they are kinda similar in "tightness" or whatever.
In terms of battle speed S2 is faster than Warhammer and Warhammer is faster than Attila.

It feels a lot better to fight in S2 and Warhammer because you can watch units melt like butter, where-as Attila always turns into slog fests where you lump your units into one big ball.

CA needed to give the AI the intelligence to keep second and third lines to engage after the first had broken and bigger punishments for fatigue so battles were about using your troops effectively in attrition rather than lumping the whole lot into one giant clusterfuck of slog.

>>161584134
Skaven destroyed Tilea and Estalia completely, quite a bit of bretonnia and most the southern Empire provinces aside from Altdorf. They completely raze all the dwarf settlements in the worlds edge too.

>>161588298
>it has more complexity than all other TW games combined
the campaign map seems rather simple, does it not?

I'll play the game eventually when they put it on sale, amazon wants 40 instead of 60 shekels for a physical copy but I will probably wait til the Old World Edition

>>161588298
There is no complexity whatsoever to Warhammer other than maybe spamming magic skills at the right time.

>>161588474
They can definitely work something out. They can still be radically different in for example unit size or economy base.

There is a risk of going full rome 1 when it comes to historical accuracy though.

>>161588461
>British Riflemen
>Special Ability: For the Queen!
>+50% melee attack
>+50% speed
>5 second invulneravility
>+20% experience gain per kill
>Cost: 50 Glory Mana

>>161587752
You have everything backwards.

Medieval 2 is the game I judge other Total Wars against. Rome 2 has turned out okay after it got patched, Attila is boring as hell.

>>161587752
Agree with everything but line warfare. The problem with empire and Napoleon is that the unit control was atrocious. Nothing ever did what you told it unless it was very simple move forwards forever commands.

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>>161588461
I just want an AI that can actually act within the theatre system without shitting its pants, an empire game with the AI the same quality as Atilla, plus better pathfinding, plus fort battles that don't turn your FPS to 5-10 due to pathing mess would be great

>>161588298
One thing I think they should change is the "press button to get big buff!" thing they've had going for the last three games, for the next historical game.
It's fine in Warhammer since I can suspend my disbelief that a guy shouting REALLY LOUDLY can suddenly make his troops twice as good at attacking or whatever, but historical games should be focusing more on the units and their unique functions in battle that aren't tied to buttons.

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>Wood elves
>whole new race and everything that comes with it
>mini-campaign
>15,74€

>Charlememe
>handful of new units but nothing on the scale of a new race in warhammer
>mini campaign
>14:99€

What are people complaining about exactly?

>>161588759
fuck off pleb

>>161588545
The campaign map is pretty simple. The different factions kinda helps it though.

TWW will definitely be a good deal with all the free content.

>>161588804
>using the same image and filename for all your shill posts

>>161588804
People don't need much reason to complain, they do it for it's own sake.

>>161588759
>Medieval 2 is the game I judge other Total Wars against
you must judge all other games as being excellent then, if you are holding up that broken mess of a game as an ideal

>>161588817
Go watch your drab, indistinguishable blobs of barbarians mash against one another

>>161588759
>Medieval 2 is the game I judge other Total Wars against
>not Med 1
what is this?

>>161588804
>tfw paying 13
>Could have done the same for beastmen

;^)

>>161588759
>Medieval 2 is the game I judge other Total Wars against

Maybe for a few elements

>>161588883
Splerging out your autism in greentext isn't really helping your case.

>>161588437
You can edit it if you want in the data base, its very very very simple to do. Youtube has all the guides on it.

>>161588545
Overall I would say Attila has the most complex campaign map, followed by TWW. The other games campaign maps are basically irrelevant. But I was talking about battles, I dont consider the campaign map important because other games do it far better than CA does and if I wanted strategy I would be playing
>CK2, EU4, HoI

>>161588683
You're full of shit and bad at TW.

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>>161588759

>>161588883
>being so invested in 4chan you keep a folder of reaction images

you need to re-evaluate your life you sad fuck.

>>161588990
Not cool dude.

>>161589124
It's two clicks to see and it's unsurprisingly often to see people repost the same shit again and again.

>>161582993
>>161583195
now the Langobards want one. I don't know much about diplomacy in Total War, is it possible to ally with someone and be best buds through the whole campaign, or will they always turn on you at some point?

>>161589036
Oh I am using SFO. It's nice.

>>161588761
>The problem with empire and Napoleon is that the unit control was atrocious. Nothing ever did what you told it unless it was very simple move forwards forever commands.
That is very true

Ill admit the ships were fun, although line ship warfare is also absolutely awful.

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>>161588804
>Chaos Warriors
>whole new race and everything that comes with it
>7.99€

>Beastmen
>whole new race and everything that comes with it
>shitty mini campaign shoved in, which has nothing new respect the GC
>18.99€
Wood elves seem to follow that same path, knowing NOTHING about the mini-campaign, while it's supposed to be the focus of the pack doesn't help

>>161589286
If you establish an alliance early on they can last through the whole game

Barbar NATO is a meme for a reason

>>161589286
Depends on their leader's AI in Attila.
Check his reliability rating and traits in the diplomacy tab.

>>161580514
Get the lore hammer mods. They add god specific units for the beastmen I believe.

>>161589279
>people who frequent the general don't go through the effort of renaming their reaction images every single time as if it was necessary
Pleb

>>161589398
Beastmen ISN'T good value I'm sure most would agree, but Wood Elves as a race with a unique mechanic and all unique units is definitely worth it.

>>161589398
We can at least co-op in the mini-campaign this time.

I really hope it is a full sandbox OR a story-heavy campaign with character interaction. The beastmen one was a pretty lame middle-ground

Empire civil war mod with the beastmen dlc map when

>>161589036
>Overall I would say Attila has the most complex campaign map, followed by TWW.
AHAHAHAHAHA
Where's the fucking complexity in Total Warhammer? It plays itself. I just build random shit and make shitloads of money even on VH and the battles play themselves too. You can't even control basic things like taxes and there is nothing you have to think about when building since there are no potential drawbacks.

>>161589398

Chaos Warriors clearly had their price low-balled to avoid further backlash after the shitstorm that followed their announcement, putting out 12-15 dollar DLC at release would look fucking terrible.

Also CA said that even before the decision was made to make the pre-order DLC Chaos was always going to be in the game in some form as a non-playable enemy faction, so it's more like you're paying for whatever they decided to add onto them to make them fully playable.

>>161589398
Beastmen are fucking shit but CA recognized people didn't like it and that's why the wood elf DLC is looking to be more value for your money by what they've shown so far

>>161589448
>>161589483
The Langobard leader is an unreliable rebellious opportunist. Doesn't sound like ideal alliance material, what a shame, they really liked me.

>>161589663
>there is nothing you have to think about


Making Wissenland into a triple silver rank infantry recruitment base is pretty fun. Those shogun 2 feels.

>>161589695
I'm sure they'll say that with every DLC they release.

>>161589663

Is this that meme where we earnestly pretend that any Total War had "complex" campaign gameplay?

The campaign map has ALWAYS played itself on this map, you would have to literally be brain-damaged to fuck up city management. It has literally always been a matter of pre-school tier addition and nothing else.

TW:W just cut out busywork.

If you honestly felt that the campaign in Rome I or Medieval 2 required thought then you might be brain-damaged.

>>161589894
Well there's objective improvements in the wood elf DLC that wasn't in the beastmen one, but if you cynicism prevents you seeing that then your loss I guess.

>>161589860
Yeah it's pretty great.

With the right setup, VC can shit out rank 9 GG in iron provinces.

>>161589576
They do seem better as a race, but it's a week until release, and we have no information about the minicampaign besides:
>focused on Athel Loren
>you can actually coop
>you have to grow the Oak of Ages (surprise surprise, just like the GC)
On the other hand, they have been hasty to show how fun they are to play on the GC

well, there's still hope I guess...

>>161589663
Go play the other TW games, realize you are full of shit, then never come back to /twg/

>>161589695

The Beastmen FACTION is just fine and a lot of fun to play, a fuckton better than Chaos too.

The mini-campaign and the price are the only problems with the Beastmen DLC

>>161589964
>Medieval 2

Do you even do anything at all on the M2 campaign map besides place those silly watchtowers and putting merchants on the resources?

I played it recently and I even had to turn a thing off so I could actually build buildings instead of the game literally managing itself

It doesn't even have a tech tree

>>161589964
>BUT MY TAXES THAT ARE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE MAKING MONEY IS EASY IN ALL TW GAMES
>BUT MY SANITATION WHICH IS SOLVED BY 1 BUILDING TYPE
>BUT MY FAMILY TREE THAT IS LITERALLY IRRELEVANT
A lot of /twg/ has nostalgia for games that have no right to be nostalgic. These people wouldnt even last an hour in CK2 and yet claim TW has complicated or good campaign mechanics. It has never been true and it likely will never be true unless Paradox comes along and brings CA kicking and screaming into their office to show them how to make a real family tree.

If the border princes aren't in the empire, then who is the King/emperor of these princes?

>>161589964
how was Med 1 campaign map? from what I've heard it was the best of the series.

>>161590079
Plus Beastmen are getting an extra legendary lord, and a completely new unit.

>>161590147
The Medieval 2 campaign map is about as complex as the one in Mark of Chaos

>>161590272
a prince doesn't need someone over him nigger

>>161590272
There isn't one, they're self styled rulers of wherever they've set up.

>>161590224
People like family trees for flavour reasons and not really due to added complexity (unless you count politics in Atilla).

>>161590272
Nobody, they're called the Border Princes because they're a bunch of fiefdoms that come and go.

>>161590272
nobody, it's a bunch of independent "I'm gonna make my own Empire, with blackjack and hookers: the place"

there's only a faction leader because the game requires there to be one

>>161590272

The Border Princes aren't a nation, it's literally a land of hundreds of independent principalities.

It's basically the wild west, ruled by exiles and merchants, it's extremely dangerous and largely uninhabited so anyone can just go there, claim a piece of land, build a keep and called themselves a prince.

They're only a single faction in TW:W because representing it as what it actually is wouldn't work.

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>playing a Persia campaign
>Georgia declares a war on me early on
>crash them easily and conquer their single province
>since it is a "capital" it has a huge occupation resistance
>now stack for many turns fighting rebellion after rebellion instead of conquering the Otomemes

fucking hell, this is infuriating, I could be steamrolling turks or mughals right now

>>161589837
Keep in good relations with them and see what his heir is like. I had a faction that hated me ask for peace cos their new leader liked Romans or something. Nice benefit of the family tree

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>Having freeman instead of serfs
>mfw

>>161590580
I'm just wondering why they'd style themselves as princes when there's no higher ranking title above them

>>161590147
There's a fair bit to do with getting (and avoiding) certain traits on your characters, and getting the most out of provinces.

>>161590037
well the tree mechanic though a gimmick is still lightyears ahead of anything since Fall of the Samurai. We also shouldn't judge these DLC too much since we don't know the full scale of FLC and features like naval combat and later events.

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Did Attila get patched?
My Legendary WRE FotE playthrough is fucked for some reason. I suddenly have 0 money and -10k income, but around 1200 more food than I used to.
Guess that save is fucked. Was about to win too

>just bought israel+netherlands DLCs because sales
>double red pack comes out
>"oh shit didn't expect it so soon, and I bet it'll cost a bit"
>base price 9.99
>price for me since I already own the other packs 6.79

God damn eugen, I didn't expect this.

Sry if it's not TW related, but I have nowhere else to go ;_;

>>161591107
I'm curious as to what you're referring to when you say 'the tree mechanic' what's lightyears ahead about it?

>>161591405
what are you even talking about

>>161591405
in what game

>>161590982

I think it's just that no one wants to call themselves "King" if all they have to their name is a keep and a few villages

Also a lot of them sorta work in a loose confederation, so I guess it helps to establish some nominal feeling of "equality"

>>161591405
Doesn't sound very warhammer related desu

>Turn 58
>still havent done the runefang quest for Karl
I feel like I should start over

>>161591552
wargame red dragon i think.

>>161591552
>>161591569
This
>>161591661

>>161591601
Yeah I know, I just got excited and couldn't help it. Fuck the idiots who let /wgg/ die.

>>161591405
go back to r/wargame

>>161591405
Shit, I haven't been paying attention, I probably need to go buy it.

I haven't even played NL yet.

>>161591638

There is a mod that lets you skip the bullshit early stages of the quests and just head straight to the final battle. Pretty handy.

>>161590982

The term border prince is just a catch-all term for "lords" of the area. The titles that the leaders themself use are both varied and bombastic, you can have people style themselves as emperors even though they barely control a tiny hamlet filled with inbred mousillon mental asylum escapees and his neighbouring lord who controls a ditch might call himself the Grand Imperator of the Sovereign State of Ditchtopia.

>>161591853
Didn't your people have their own general at some point?

>>161591935
>have to ally with another nation is the first step of the shit quest
>fucking nordland hates your guts for no other reason then rng trail roll
sasuka CA, they really should redo all the vanilla quest lines

>>161592020
I also used to post there, so it's not just him. There was a lot of overlap, so many of us were here as well all along.
All the generals for more autistic stuff that I like seem to die or get merged.

>>161591860
Just drop it

>>161591909
Don't get me started, I still have so many vanilla decks to try out

>>161592020
Yes, and it did well until it died when shitposting became even more cancerous. Bob and Ivan kept shitting up the threads more than usual, some autist started shitposting into oblivion what precious talk about wargames happened (apparently no game ever discussed in the threads were actual wargames) and then someone had the brilliant idea of shitposting away the sim posters. Now there's no place to discuss any game that's not 4x, TW or paradox.

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dat army comp tho

>>161592421

Whats the matter? Too much CHIVALRY for you?

>>161592421
>playing as border princes
for what purpose

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It is now Official. Athel Loren is radiant in its resplendence. Delicate young boys cavort for the delight of their mistresses, and the luminescence of sprites and pixies flicker through the enchanted wood. The Sisters of Twilight languorously uncurl from their embrace; panpipes flute a tune of merriment throughout the halls of the summerstrand. The diverting indignities of gorposting and Deep-Thinking Goblins are a receding memory, a windblown fragment of the season past. All Asrai make ready for frolic and improductivity; indolence is the watchword, and none can be found but are feverishly, zealously committed to inactivity.

From the Oak of Ages, the Eternal Queen watches and is warmed by the celebrations of her people. In such a festive air, Orion's rebirth cannot but be imminent; Ariel's handmaidens ceaselessly weave flowers into her hair, presenting an endless procession of styles and and aspects by which their beloved monarch might greet her consort. Those that retain a sense of time and worldly events look to his arrival; Naieth's divinations serve only to confirm what the jubilant atmosphere of the forest makes evident.

Wood Elves Confirmed.

Does Total War have any tools to create a custom campaign map and a custom battle map?

>>161591995
I like this response. Thanks anon

>>161592751
For older games, yes.

>>161592751
>>161592850
CA released them for S2 too, but since almost noone bothered to use them, it gave them an excuse to never release any map tools from that point forward

>>161593284
and nothing of value was lost

>>161592421
The famed lance, knigga

I wanna play a cav heavy game in Fall of the Eagles since I have a gigantic hard on for heavy shock cav obliterating enemy lines.
Do I play as Persia, the Huns or what? I have played as both Roman empires so I'd rather not to them again.

>>161593729
I haven't played FotE but maybe you should like at the Alans too

Is Gelt an enormous egoist or enormous patriot?

I've been trying to play MP and while I've won about 75% of the games I've played, a lot of them have not been much fun.

10 gyrobombers, 80% flying units, all cav, 10+ arty pieces, only steam tanks, I just fight this shit way too much.

I don't mind some BS matches every once in awhile but it would be nice if it wasn't every other fucking battle. And god forbid you beat someone in a straight up fight because next time they will come at you with complete bullshit.

And I wish people would have a good PC/game on SSD to play online ffs.

Anyway, done with my blog/pointless rant.

>>161593284
They released them right before rome 2 came out which is why nobody used them.

>>161593906
>multiplayer
>in a Total War game

>turn 62
>must have spent over 50k in gifts to nordland in a desperate try to make them my allies
fuck this, even Boris "Fuck you Karl" Toddbringer was easier to make an ally, hell I had confederated with him on turn 20.
Im just going to start over and hope that the AI wont hate me.

>>161593906

Flying units are taking a hard nerf when Welfs arrive so there might be hope ahead.

>>161593284
wot? map couldn't be actually changed IIRC

it was only possible to change the size and shape or add new regions on the Japan (and Korea, because it was there) terrain

>>161593895
both

>>161594002

You can just eradicate Nordland, if the faction doesn't exist it'll skip the objective.

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>>161594040
Why is he so perfect?

>>161594090
yeah well they got some mighty stacks with all the money i've been giving them and I just feel like starting over anyway
is Volk a good starting LL or should I stick to Karl

>>161593823
I'll check them out.
Aren't they like The Huns Lite though?

>>161594090
this, if Nordland gets >imperial distrust and refuses the first NAP, wipe those fuckbois out of your Empire

>>161594252
Karl is undeniably the best Empire LL, but Volkmar is not bad

>>161590147
People used merchants in M2?
>don't mind me, just playing an extremely slow animation (that cannot be sped up in any way) every time the AI wants to initiate red hot lesbian merchant on merchant action
I could never be bothered.

>>161593970
Most modders moved away before that because WAAAAH PATCHES MAKE ME WORK

>>161594265
I have no idea what they do in Fall of the Eagle and I haven't played patched Alans in vanilla so I actually do not know.

But they can settle, for starters.

Have you considered White Huns?

>>161594421
The intimidate shit really was infuriating to the point of me rarely using merchants, but I didn't want to oversimplify M2's campaign map and have someone explain to me how great and complex merchants are

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>>161594431
>Crying about mods existing
Are you falseflagging or legitimately autistic?

>>161594516
They're fully nomadic in FotE.
White huns are like Huns but more infantry heavy and less cool horsefuckery
Alans have similar cavalry, though arguably worse horse archers and melee cav, but their infantry roster fucking sucks.
Might be a cool challenge though, I did a Huns game a couple months back.

>>161591405
I have never played this game but it has a Netherlands faction? That's pretty cool.

>>161594654
Where did you get that from? Do I need to put up a meme in paint for you to understand what I said?

>>161594431
The best or most advanced mods are made WAY after release for most total war games.

>>161594923
Basically the only ones missing are italy and some middle eastern country to act as an enemy for israel

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ok this time around I might get that quest done before turn 40

>>161595162
Yes, and it didn't happen for S2 because the modders moved away

>>161595173
>Iran&Iraq DLC at some point maybe hopefully

>>161595332
Master of Strategy

>>161595454
Dead before being finished last time I checked

>>161581342
what the fuck do you call it you fucking non-human

>>161595593
Stop giving yari ashigaru short yari reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>161595667
A double v? That's literally what it is.

>>161595748
depends on the font desu

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>>161595748

>>161595849
vv w

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>>161595748
Were you in charge of pic related

>>161595667
It has it's own name in any non-meme language.
I know that it's "ve" in German.

>>161595934
That's literallly how they wrote it back then.

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>>161595928
...And Latin has no 'U' or 'W'

Guess what happens when you start to make new printing presses?

You probably think 'Ye' was pronounced 'Yee'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W

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>elves are literally perfect humanoids
>they haven't conquered the world yet
explain THIS fantasybabs

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G O B L I N S

>>161587142
>ARMORED
>HAMMERER
>SLAYERS

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Remind me again why this tiny babby is a faction leader of a faction that's all about big fucking beasts

Is there a mod or a setting that keeps the music going when you pause time in a battle? it's really annoying how the music stops completely when I pause to micro my dudes

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Rate my WRE army comp

>>161596869
the big ones are dumber though

>>161596932
it's your punishment for pausing, nerd

>>161596869
He can lead the big guys to victory, which means more flesh to feast to

>>161586225
Civ 6, because the mainstream one will always win, even though it's godawful

>>161597181
absolutely barbaric

>>161597181

needs more elite palatina

>>161597683
Are they good for melee compared to Legio?

>>161597361

Fuck off, it's not "godawful".
It's ok.
The ai is retarded, the game itself is fine. Or will be fine, after a few patches.

>>161586225
XCOM 2 deserves it most.

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>All the Elven archer units use the bretonnian peasant bowmen animations and skeletons instead of having their own ones
>even normal arrows look like they're magic missiles from dungeons & dragons
>the glaive infantry guys use Greatsword animations and hold their weapons wrong
>elf sprearmen use the same animations and skeletons as human spearmen
>shining fucking bright white masks and capes on many units
>all the archer units look the fucking same

Its like they used up all their time and effort on making the ent and eagle animations good and then realized they still have an almost full unit roster to go but were out of time/enthusiasm

CA lazy shits confirmed

>>161598247
CA don't give a shit about shitty elves CONFIRMED.
King and Warlord remains the best DLC.

>>161598247
>>elf sprearmen
you mean the people with the spin animations?

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Fucking ungors man

>>161598515
I think he means the generic spearmen and not the wardancers, Eternal Guard?

>>161597361
its better than warhammer

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>>161598247
I guess when you're living off NEETbux in the forest you can't afford too many new skeletons.
Elves BTFO.

>>161598658
>Eternal Guard
he already mentioned them though here
>>the glaive infantry guys use Greatsword animations and hold their weapons wrong

also
>>161598247
>all the archer units look the fucking same
that's because they're all the same type of archer?

>>161598247
>All the Elven archer units use the bretonnian peasant bowmen animations and skeletons instead of having their own ones
>the glaive infantry guys use Greatsword animations and hold their weapons wrong
>elf sprearmen use the same animations and skeletons as human spearmen
I will never be able to tell if this is elaborate shitposting or serious.

>>161589286
i recommend getting the AoC diplomacy mod
basically replaces GC diplomacy with AoC and makes it so you can deal with most factions unlike vanilla where everyone is aggressive, hates rival empires
diplomacy seems to be divided into 3 cliques of barbarians, eastern nomads and romans. you need to align yourself with one or everybody will hate you

Ahhhhhhhhhhh! Karak Eight Peaks!

>>161599019
No, the glaive dudes are the Wildwood rangers, the Eternal Guard (normal spearmen) were not featured in today's video, but on the Eurogamer one

at least I guess so

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Never ever

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Took me forever

>>161599364
Remember when the Imperial Guard had human bomb units?

>>161599364
good.

>>161599382
Huns btfo

>>161599382
that's heresy.

>>161597843

IIRC they're the best offensive sword infantry WRE has

>>161599573
t. secret hun

>>161599573
christianity is a meek cuck religion desu
it doesnt deserve the glory of rome

>>161599382
why are latin christianity and eastern christianity seperate in attila? were they really different at this point? i know the deal with arianism but i figured the east-west schism was much later.

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>>161599737
>>161599382

>>161588789
I agree.

>>161599141
Its a shit post.

>>161599573
fuck off Constantine

>>161595220
NOT LIKELY

>>161599913
because CA is retarded
eastern and western rome were distinct culturally by this point. east was affluent and more greek influenced than the west

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>>161599459
>>161599573
>>161599948
>mfw all this fucking cash I just got
CHRISTIAN CHURCH BTFO

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>>161600321
enjoy starving

>>161588759
Your a fucking moron.

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>>161600428
The only starving province I got is Baetica and that's going to get addressed next turn.

>>161600428
Minor temples don't cost shit, though they lack in other benefits besides a very small religion influence.