/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT

Any musicbro here today?
I need the sound effect of crafting.
something like "clunk clunk".

those i found online are too realistic / actual records. and they are not suitable for games~

>>161523650
Who's maintaining aggydaggy.com anyway? DD and Jam are outdated.

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Friendly reminder that there is nothing wrong with enginedevving

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I'm currently learning Blueprints through some tutorial, and I have a question if someone would be kind enough to help.

In the tutorial, the guy's making a system that when you press "ctrl" you enter "discarding mode" where the mouse appears on the screen and you can select an item in your inventory to discard. Now the problem is the way he designed it feels weird to me. In the pic his version is the top. Someone in the comments mentioned a different way(pictured bottom) which doesn't give you a time limit to discard and feels a lot better gameplay wise, though it also feels like it's doing something wrong. Would creating a 'Survival HUD widget' every time you press ctrl fuck up your performance after a while?

>>161523765
>those i found online are too realistic / actual records.
drag them into your audio editor and get to work

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>>161523765
>realistic sounds aren't suitable for games

>>161506592

Late, but I never planned on having those bullets be final, just easy to look at.

Also the game is sandbox, and there isn't a "player" character, the player can just direct control anyone of his units.

>>161524117
Yeah you don't want to create the widget every time.
In all likelihood it won't have performance implications unless you do it hundreds of times, but it's still a weird and pointless thing to do.

If you don't want the time limit, just remove the part which connects the top to the bottom.

>>161524520
If I remove the part that connects the top to the bottom, then I'm stuck in ui input mode forever because it only accepts mouse input

>>161523765
I'm too lazy to do it right now but I would start here
http://www.freesound.org/people/MrAuralization/sounds/274846/
rearrange them in the speed you'd like, EQ the low end a bit, and you're done

>>161524647
The only reason the bottom version doesn't have that issue is that it uses the Game And UI node instead of just UI

>>161524892
Oh yeah, that works very well. Thanks for the help mate.

>>161523765
I'm guessing you are looking for something chiptune-ish. Have my go at it.
https://a.pomf.cat/mmtwfl.mp3

thread last posted in 18 minutes ago? ded game, ded thred

Day 7

Still cannot save specific variables to identical blueprint actors in Unreal 4

I feel the madness overtaking me

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>>161526951
>stuck on saving feature
That's a hard swing UE is taking at you. Hang in there.

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Pro strat here.

>>161527173
>browsing imgur when you should be devving

>>161526945
We're all just busy yesdevving! Right guys?
Post that progress!

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>>161527064
Well what the fuck else am I going to do?

FULL SPEED INTO DESPAIR

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2 years anon here, posting shitty screenshot of 1 nights work getting used to unity again. Tower idle style game atm.

>>161527274
busted

>>161527562
well that was anticlimactic

>>161527562
THE FUTURE IS NOW

>>161527634

You just don't get it goog.

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Added mouse support for the main menu. Almost free to do more entertaining things.

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>>161527403
Most def, boss.

Got herbivores accustomed to the new system. I also fixed it to make them show respect when they want to eat a plant which is already being munched on by someone else. They will now just bugger off and look for a new plant.

Also pepped up the environment a little. I'll probably build a tileset and some random generation at some point, but right now the focus is on coding carnivores. The herbivores aren't limited in their reproduction right now, and I must somehow introduce population control.

The webm may not be convincing (the stutters are due to WebMCam being a cheap piece of shit), but profiling shows that ~50 of these relatively dumb agents take up a maximum of .00005 seconds per frame, and that's only the case when all of them are planning at the same time. This gives me confidence, I am definitely on the right way. However the number of nodes and objects is growing at a rate of about 2 per second, so I will have to go leak hunting soon.

>>161525565
the pitch is too high and sharp.
thanks though.

>>161524736
thanks for that.
That's really good.
the clunk is separated, so it's easy to edit too!

unlike other free sounds i found, always recoding in the background sound, or just clunking 2 metal object together.

here's what i edited.
in case anybody needed the same sound effect too.
https://a.pomf.cat/lnjiaq.wav

>>161528490
I love seeing progress on this anon, keep it up.

Is there really no low-poly centric 3D tools? I want something ultra goddamn lite.

Everyone seems to say "use whatever" or "blender".

>>161528490
I'm liking this, it's nice of those dinos to show respect for each others eating space.
What engine/language/whatever are you using?

>>161528658
maybe wings3d, it wont teach you to model though

>>161528658
i like silo

>>161528619
Thanks, I will.

>>161528779
Godot with its built-in scripting language GDScript. I have previously worked in GMS, but couldn't find a way to implement this system with the way it handled scripts and objects (though that was a few months ago). Overall I am happy to have made the switch, my brain works better with Godot than GMS. Though the documentation is somewhere between "abysmal" and "not as good as it should be".

>>161529000
Let's see your models nigga

>>161528924
That's fine, I only plan to use 3D for walls and minor details like vines and shit. I'm going to billboard characters/monsters/etc.

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>>161529081
hospital room i modeled recently for an animation.

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how do I mix the following words:
Pong/multiplayer/versus/breakout/every player can shoot balls/every enemy ball damage the player.

>>161529278
Golden Project?

>>161529278
>not cartoony shit
huh

Breddy gud hospital bed.

>>161529605
yeah

>>161529584
Into a sentence or into a name?

How can I make a clickable GUI in GMS? I just don't have any idea on how to do it. What I've found attach sprites and draw rectangles to the GUI but doesn't include attaching objects that you can interact with. Is there a way to do this? I need a bar to select and place buildings from.

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Well the dual camera trick for viewmodels was working great

Until I tested it online with two players

>>161529835
did you check the asset store?

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Ported my project over to Unity 5.5 and spent most of my time messing with draw distances. 5.5 changed some stuff with the depth buffer that allows you to set your far clip plane to really big numbers. For example, I've set it to 2 million and haven't had any issues with z fighting.

This isn't the best example (because most aren't near or overlapping each other), but the cubes in the background are hundreds of kilometers away from the camera and have no issues whatsoever rendering.

After doing that, I mostly just messed with some effects stuff that I've been wanting to try. I'm not feeling too well tonight so I'm not in the mood to try anything heavy.

Both Ace Combat and DCS do slightly wobbly smoke trails that look really nice and are more interesting than just straight ones, so I wanted to try mimicking that. Turns out just jittering the rotation around doesn't give you the right effect. The particles need to slow down over time so that they they stay together and don't get too spread out.

As it currently is, the pattern is a bit too regular, but it's a decent proof of concept for later.

>>161529816
into a game idea.

>>161530093
No.
But I don't think that helps if I don't know how to make it follow the screen and be interacted with.

>>161529835
Create an object that checks on mouse_click if the mouse_location on the GUI layer is within the AABB of the object.

>>161530140
Do you have a tumblr?

>>161529835
Literally the first result for "game maker studio gui button"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnYsJWE6-3c

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Thoughts on Grass Texture?

>>161530360
ain't nobody got time for a 25 minutes tutorial!

>>161530363
meh... you can see the pattern.

>>161530440
But apparently the time to be stuck on GUI buttons for several consecutive days.

>>161530360
Shit I didn't see that, I'm going to watch through. Thank you. Hopefully it'll work with objects.

>>161529023
Oh nice, Godot is fun. I agree the documentation needs some work.

>tfw to intelligent too make a game in an existing genre

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I feel super retarded for not being able to figure out how to get a reference to a game-object that a script is attached too.

>>161530724
what genre you gonna invent, fampalicious?

I'm learning programming for the first time in my Cs course. Language is processing, similar to java I think. How do I start up gameDev? Making games in processing is a pain the penis.

What do you guys think of a Galactic Senate Simulator?

You basically play a Senator in Star Wars type galactic senate. You can author new proposals by picking from a large list of issues that have varying effects, and you vote on proposals by other Senators. You'd have to manage relations with other Senators, Trade Federations (which provide most campaign funds), and your constituents.

There would be random events that could happen, like an intergalactic invasion, assassinations, and maybe random disasters that occur when certain policies are in place.

>>161530872
Pick an engine from the OP or Construct2 that caters the most to your preferences and plans. Watch tutorials, remake the classics, become not-totally-incompetent, start your first project, realize the scope is way too high, finish your first game after a dozen or so failed projects.

>>161531004
Because the thing people wanted to see the most in Star Wars was more negotiations and politics.

I'd give it a try, depending on the graphics. Gotta have some good UI if that's all the player gets to see.

>>161531059
Do games I've made as assignments for class count? Like I have one where you have to get a key and unlock a door in a time limit, or a really terrible frogger imitation.

Is GameMaker a good place to start?

>>161531004
Sounds pretty cool. Of course, with something like that you have to make it pretty goddamn compelling to keep people's interests.

I imagine you'd need an angle other than just drama (humor, puzzles, action, whatever) to make it work. A straight menu-em-up is too dry (see: Googum's Whip The Vote).

>>161531335
The more games you remake, the more practice you get. It's important to rebuild the classics, because they are simple enough to help you learn the nooks and crannies of your engine of choice. You'd be surprised how many people have problems cloning Pacman, Tetris, or even Breakout.

GameMaker is a decent beginner's engine, and it's even possible to make great games with it (like Hotline Miami or Risk Of Rain). Only really useful for 2D though although there is one madman in this thread using it for 3D.

>>161530363
a-are those diamonds?!
The fuck were you thinking?

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This isn't really anything special, but floating origins continue to be super rad. Combined with the insane draw distances you can now set, it makes it easy to set up scenes like this.

The field is 1 million meters across and being able to fly through it like nothing is really cool. I doubt I would ever actually make a play space this large, but it's neat to know that I can.

>>161532042
Damn, that's a pretty good update Unity made there.

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What does one put in a design document? How much of an idea do you flesh out before actually deciding to start making something?

>>161529584
>>161530180
Well anon it sounds like you already described the idea with those words.

>>161530000
Is that an ass holding a gun?
Nothing personal, but it kinda looks like one.
If you just got a 3d model of an ass/legs, and added clothing textures to it, I wonder how convincing it would be as a player view model.

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Well, this was easy. I have found (one of) the sources of the insane object / node increase. I've been using timers to implement a cooldown system. In my naivety I assumed that setting these to "one-shot" would mean they delete themselves after firing, but that was not the case. They continued to exist in the scenetree, hogging memory without contributing. Fixed this by telling those timers to go kill themselves when their job is done.

The growth does continue to exist, even though in lesser magnitude, so I must assume my planning code is leaking. Back to the profiler.

>>161531534
people really enjoy whip the vote you know.
anyone who is interested in a game where they play in government (in a position that isnt the expected dramatic action of a top world leader) is fully expecting something "dry"

>>161532042
>up and down in space
That looks awesome though.

The enemy gate is down.

what kind of melee weapons would be in a medieval scifi fantasy world?

>>161533165
Laser rapiers

>>161532517
Much like a schematic for a circuit, your design doc should provide enough information such that someone could remake your game and have it be very close to original. Take my example of a circuit diagram, Given a diagram (assume infinite resources) I could replicate that system in many different ways--industrially manufactured on a PCB or simply prototyped on a breadboard, to name two off the top of my head.

Your design doc need not be done all in one go. The more you flesh out early on the better of course, but iterative development facilitates critical analysis and flexibility.

If you want practice, I suggest writing a couple for simple games like tetris or the original super mario brothers.

Does this help at all? And disclaimer: there are many ways to interpret a design doc, and I'm certain others will reply to you with their interpretations. No one is inherently wrong, it just means that the best design doc is one that is tailored to fit your/your team's style of work.

Thanks for the help, I've got the buttons working. I just need to get them into the right position on the screen.

>>161533098
I've seen your demonstration of it and while I'd like to try it, the UI sounds and, for the lack of a better word, the feeling of dryness it creates for me hold me back from giving it a go. 18:20 onwards is where that is very prominent. Especially when rapidly moving the mouse over several elements, the sound is very unpleasant.

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>>161532195
What's funny is that the fact that they've switched to a reverse float depth buffer at all is only mentioned as a side note.

Jesus fucking Christ why was this so hard to get past the spam filter.

>>161533165
Jet propelled halberds.
Hovershields/hoverbucklers.
wallhacking hand-crossbow
Magnetic-segmented blade (rigid blade with gaps held together with sci-fi magnetics, so you can basically just cut through a sword bind)
Don't forget also your trusty companion, the hoversword. Is it enchanted? Is it space technology? Is it ever going to stop talking to you about the time somebody used it as a farming implement? Who knows!

>>161530754
GetComponent<ComponentType>() ?

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Would pic related be a helpful screen if you're new to the game? And yeah, I know the drawings are shit; I can't draw.

>>161531004
I would probably end up boiling the game down to a visual novel; there must be a way to influence things in the senate. The player should be able to execute schemes against their rival senator/party.

>>161532195
I don't have one specifically for the project, just a personal one that I also progresspost to. They all get posted under the tag "space carrier ops", so if you really want to you can find it through there.

>>161533508
there's volume controls (bottom left), you can turn off the effects and/or ambience/music if you dont like them. it's a long play type of game so i put those volume controls in there with full expectation that basically no one is going to have the sound on.

>>161533786
So where on my keyboard do I find the radar button?

>>161533007
Yeah, nodes don't delete themselves, even if they're removed from the scene tree completely they'll just exist out in purgatory. This is the only thing that has caused leaks for me in the past. I'm not sure what the other leak would be.

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>>161530754

it's just .gameobject.

>>161533808
Was this intended for >>161530298
?

>>161530724
>tfw to intelligent too
Getting real tired of this facebook meme.

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>>161533870
Yes.

>>161533852
That's what I get for being eager to post progress. I forgot that I used timers for the plantspawners and waterbasins as well. So far the numbers are stable, so I'm gonna chalk that up as a win. I really love that I could solve that with just
>timer.connect("timeout", timer, "queue_free()")
The native event system is pretty dope.

My original fear was that somehow the datastructures (priority queues) for the planner weren't collected properly, but that has been confirmed not to be the case.

Today was a good day.

>>161530724
I know that misspell is on purpose, but It gave me an aneurysm.

>>161527785
you are BACK

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what's the highest level of math i should know if i want to make a great game.

What's a good way to design bullet hell patterns

Should I just focus on making them pretty or are there guidelines I should follow besides making them survivable

>>161535259
You can get by with just trig.

If you want to be good, probably learn up through linear algebra and physics one wouldn't hurt.

>>161529584
Battle pong party breakdown

>>161535259
you should definately understand Cartesian coordinate systems - both 2D and 3D need it every day out of the week

>>161535231
I wasn't gone that long, maybe like a week and a half of focused not-devving. I was caught up in playing shitty video games with friends. However, I was thinking about working on my game's mechanics the entire time. I got some stupid new ideas I will work on after the post-demo-day todo list.

>>161528658
>Is there really no low-poly centric 3D tools?
Milkshape 3D is low-poly frienly, since the original goal for it was to work with Half Life, UT and Quake models. Not free, but serials are easy to find.
You could also check Crocotile 3D, may be a good approach for you if you have issues with traditional modelling. Is not free and hasn't been pirated though.

Are there any decent indie game publishers out there?

>>161537172

Devolver Digital I guess, but they're pretty high profile for indie stuff. Stay the fuck away from BlackShellMedia

>>161537424
i trust this anti blackshellmedia thing isnt just a meme?
whats wrong with them exactly? genuinely curious

>>161537609
they don't do anything in exchange for a large percentage of your profits

>>161537609

They have a habit of fucking people over, they're very quick to put games they publish on sale for hardly anything, screwing over the devs on profits.

Vampire of the sands dev suffered this fate, and he's one of our own

>>161537645
>>161537701
Wow, that sounds pretty shitty.
Thanks for the heads up. Will be handy if I ever finish my game.

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I want to learn to model like a simple cartoony artstyle (kinda like LoZ), is this worth it or just use blender?

What happened to agdg steam chat?

haven't been there in a while, I went in today and there was only ONE person in the chat, by himself.


>>161523902
I second this.

I engine dev'd for 5 years.

I've stopped recently, but it was a lot of fun and I learned a lot.

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Bumpmaps working. There are some weird artifacts here and there, but since it didn't happen before the rigging I think is my fault for being shit at it. Now working on combo system.

>>161538189
>What happened to agdg steam chat?
Almost everyone moved to the Discord. Steam's chat was kinda shitty in a lot of ways. Discord is too, but it's better... Only downside is having yet another goddamn chat program open.

https://discordapp.com/invite/chquY2e

>>161538189
discord

>>161535259
The coordinate system, geometry, trigonometry, vectors. Matrices if you go 3D.

>>161532042
btw, anon, what is your control scheme for keyboards?

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Fuck marching cubes how do you work.

I'm so close, I'm just calculating voxel vertex values not the correct way and I have no idea what the correct way is. Anyone?

>>161539705
srry, pal, i would help you if i knew anything about marching cubes

>>161539840
thanks pal

>>161538921
Is this a test? I probably haven't played most of those games but...

I think that's
Tomb Raider
Mirror's Edge
Beyond Good and Evil
Bloodrayne
Mass Effect
Walking Dead
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Metal Gear Solid
Don't know
Don't know
Half Life 2?
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Looks familiar (Half Life??)
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Prince of Persia I think
Smash boobs
Quake
KotOR

>>161538187
Blender has more/same features. Silo, is pretty much just Maya's modeling tools, ui, and hotkeys with less bugs.

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I just implemented persistent dungeon levels by stacking multiple copies of my world object in an array, and it just worked
so that's nice

Is there a point in making a simple game, hyping it a bit and selling it for pennies?

I'll watch the newest episode of South Park and then I'll start devving, guys

>>161535259

In addition to what the others already wrote, for game balancing you should really understand regression analysis.

>>161541231
Do you enjoy game dev?

If yes, then yes.

If no, then no.

>>161541231
If you like money, sure. It has to be good/novel on some level, though.

Like, what little there is better be pretty gratifying (good sound/music/feedback/juice/etc).

>>161541443
>making shovelware is what people who enjoy gamdev do
okay

>when you didn't think the graphical part of your game and have to redesign the calculation stuff

fugggg

Is there any good resource on how things looked, what people of different crafts wore in the medieval times and such? I feel like i spend more time figuring out how something is going to look than making it.

>>161541830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpqpwJ__Ek&list=PL_T_qssRkCyZb6Su_NpJVAmuStQ7gaDTW

and also search for Tudor's Farm

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>>161541560
>shovelware
no one mentioned shovelware, not even you...
> It has to be good/novel on some level, though.
literally not shovelware

>>161541231
no theres no point.

>>161542002
Oh wow this is actually incredibly useful, and interesting. Thanks anon

>>161542002
A good resource, but I think the 1620's is a bit later than what's generally considered medieval.

>>161541231
How many prototypes have you made?

If the answer is less than 5 you aren't going to complete a game anyway so why bother asking

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Ok I've posted this once before, but I'm back because I'm still stumped.

I've currently finished the framework of my protoype to what is best described as a tactical RTS, think of a regular RTS with way less units. These units can use cover, concealment, have 4 different speeds at which they can move, at 3 different stances, and a ton more variables. All of these variables give these units certain penalties or bonuses to aim/speed/accuracy/vision/etc. Right now it's just a sandbox game, where players duke it out. But I want there to be some kind of objective. I'm having a hard time figuring out what that objective should be, because I have a few issues.

1) Sitting in one spot with a unit gives that unit bonuses to pretty much everything but movement. I.E. CAMPING is inherently strong in this game. I want to find a way to disincentivize that and keep players on the move unless they have a good reason to lay low or camp.

NOTE: I am not not looking for ways to nerf or buff camping/moving. I am looking for a gameplay framework which will punish passive gameplay/camping.

2) As of right now, I think I am opposed to asymmetric gameplay (i.e. CT/T sides on a counterstrike map). I want both players to have the same objective.

>>161543925
perhaps you could give each player some sort of ancient throne to defend, with some outer defenses guarding it. and then when you kill the outer defenses you get bonuses that give you buffs to help win

>>161544084
i dont play league but this sounds like league

am i wrong

>>161544162
it goes without question that that dumb post was going to only get dumb dota2/lol based suggestion.
maybe a splatoon based one too if youre lucky.

>>161544162
Except one player controls the whole group instead of one unit. I like RTSs where you control a small team, like Warhammer 40k or any turn based tactics game, so I would dig it.

>>161541443
>>161541560
Thanks for the answers. I'm in mostly for the money, but I find games fun, so why not?

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>>161544707
>i'm going to get into game dev for the money

>>161544803
What's the problem though?
Even the shittiest game on steam still make 4~5k sales.

if it's at $10 price and u took a year to make it,
with steam's cut, u still get $30k per year.
that's good enough right?

>>161544707

You're in the wrong hobby if you're in it for the money man.

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POST EM LADS

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>>161544994
Sure anon. Go for it!

>>161544994
>Even the shittiest game on steam still make 4~5k sales
definitely 100% true

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>>161544994
> stea cut

Don't forget your countries tax cut. Also the cut if you're using and engine or working together. Just steam and taxes will only leave you with about 35% from each dollar. And that's being generous.

>>161544994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4F-zdpFb9I

>>161545157
**also he has likely not made a single game and has absolutely no idea what it entails**

>>161544994
>$30k
Take into account that I live in Second-World country, so multiply that four times.
So if I get lucky with $10 price tag and taxes won't fuck me over, then I can live for few years from it.

>>161545228
Where is the prototype you have begun working on?

>>161545210
>implying I don't know how overdone platformers are.>>161545272
>>161545272

>>161545272
Actual reply here:

So far nowhere, I just decided to jump off the LOVE2D train after dicking around with it for too long with no real effect (expect a barely-shmup)

>>161544994
>Even the shittiest game on steam still make 4~5k sales.
this is bait right

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>>161544994
>on steam
you have to get on steam in the first place, and a lot of those "shitty games" include art, sound, graphics, etc. you basically have to be well versed in a variety of opaque fields to even have a shot at making one of those shitty games, and even then it's going to take you a considerable amount of time, and getting on steam isn't as easy as you think, and delivering a bug-free game that people enjoy isn't as easy as you think

basically as an individual, you should only do it as a hobby, unless you are seriously talented and have some serious game ideas and have savings that can support you

>steam cut
that's just the tip of the iceberg, you still have federal taxes, local taxes, and the cost of software/engines that you need to recoup

>even the shittiest game
see, coding doesn't work like that, and neither does any of the auxiliary departments (sound, art, 3d, etc). 99% of all your work will be simple and smooth, but suddenly you will run into a problem, and that problem will spiral out of control into all sorts of other problems, with seemingly no solution, and you will end up spending 99% of your time on 1% of your code/art/graphics/3D. that's just how it works. so something that looks simple still has a good amount of blood sweat and tears involved, especially when you consider that it's the work of an amateur or amateur team, and they have limited experience to draw upon to solve these problems

good luck but do it for fun and don't underestimate the work, and most of all don't get disheartened by all the negative nancies and naysayers on /agdg/

Why are 90% of the 2D games here platformers anyway?

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>>161545216
Also that, but I was talking about the best case scenario where you make a game, it gets greenlight and people buy it. And you also only needing to pay steam cut and taxes. so if you sell 10k copies for 10$ you will only earn 35k at best, unless you live in like a few specific countries, then you will earn alot more.

An even then, the average sales for shitty game is much lower. Getting through greenlight is also becoming harder and harder.

Let's not forget about actually having the ability to start, develop and finish a game

>>161545210
And this video sums it up. Shitty games are hitting a wall now and you wont be earning money from ash grabs much longer. This doesn't mean the indie scene is dying, there will be more money floating around. It just means you will actually need a good game, hit a niche or do a very nice gimmick to rake in the money.

I'd say the upcoming period will be very good for indie deving, as long as you don't churn out shit.

>>161545376
Hype it enough and it will sell.
Learn from AAAaaaaa guys.

>>161545387
because most people have no idea what they're doing and are trying to learn by making one for their first project

>>161544994
>Even the shittiest game on steam still make 4~5k sales.
said someone who's never released anything on steam.

>>161545387
Because being a OMA dev is hard and 2d platformers are extremely well documented. It's also "easier" to do and "harder" to mess up. Simply because of all the examples you have to look at.

>>161545535
Well your shit can barely even be called a game.

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>>161545618
sorry for triggering you but facts are facts

>>161545792
sorry for triggering you but facts are facts

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>>161545063
Who the fuck comes up with these shit themes?

>>161545063
>>161545863
what is this from desu

>>161545863
sounds like a pretty good rape simulator you've got there

>>161545850
REKT

I want to make the next FNAF and create something that appeals to autists so I can milk them for all its worth

What kind of game should I make?

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>>161545902
the new ludum dare website that will be used for ld37. Theme suggestion elimination round right now.

>>161545792
same

>>161545949
try creating a game people want to play and you might be able to "milk them for all it's worth"

good luck anon!

>>161545949
Furry

Aren't you guys developing vidya in your free time?
even 1k sales will still be extra income for you, right?

>>161546074
I don't have income

>>161545210
>>161545280
Except the overdone plateformer is a meme.

If you make a platformer that is decent you will still get players. It's just that nowadays *designers* make platformer with tumblr meme art and cry on reddit when they don't get the success they *deserve*.

>>161546074
You honestly have no idea how much effort and work it is to even get to a point where you can sell your game, nevermind actually getting sales on it

For every 1 game that has 1k sales on steam, there are 10000 games that were made with the intention of being sold on steam, but weren't able to hack it

Have you ever completed a game?

>>161546305
>Have you ever completed a game?
i thought we are at /agdg/.
most of us are nodevs here.
why even be so aggressive?

>tfw won't make it

>>161546532
So why are you talking about selling games? Just fuck off.

>>161546532
Because he/you isn't trying to be an amateur doing it for fun, they are specifically stating their objective is to make money

Which is both retarded and unethical

You also don't have the skills or knowledge to do it, and I'm merely pointing out the reality you will face eventually anyway

>>161545210
Doesn't this game like 100k sales according to steamspy?

>gogem sperging out about steam on /v/
oh lord

>>161546612
>Making games for money in unethical
Since when?
>is retarded
cough cough, Risk of Rain, cough

>>161546589
>Why are you talking about game related stuffs on /agdg/?
>We only do shitposting and sourceposting here.
Y don't you fuck off?
stop shitting up this place.

>>161546828
Post your game?

>>161546657
>earning sales from publicity for doing an article about not getting sales
squeaky wheel marketing
btw steamspy is wildly innaccurate and if it's been included in a bundle or other ridiculous sale than it's ownership figures are pretty much meaningless for figuring out how much money it made.

>>161546887
and where's yours?

>>161546794
Making money off a genuinely well crafted product with artistic merit is fine.

If you go in wanting to make a good game, and you do, go ahead, sell that

That's not what you're doing. You specifically said you want to do it to make money. You have no ideas, no skills, no progress. You just want to fleece the goyim. Given that you don't have the skills and are only doing this for money, not to make a good game, you will damage our industry and those who do it. People might accidentally buy your shit instead of a good game (not that you'll ever get as far as to sell a game, anyway)

>hurr durr I can name 3 indie games that made money

Go for it anon! Enjoy, truly! Reap the profits! I'm sure with your extremely small experience with gamemaker, that you know more than actual programmers and people who've done this for decades, right?

Absolutely, of course you do. Go ahead anon, enter this field. Thousands of dollars are just a few months away!

>>161546912
Post your game.

>>161546938
says the guy with no game to post.

>>161547023
Post it.

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Can you really call it game dev if your game doesn't have BLAST PROCESSING?

>>161547042
i will post it after u, u shitposter.

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>>161547128
Post it.

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>38% Of All Steam Games Have Been Released in 2016

Is it over lads? Are we too late to make it?

>>161547116
idk can you really call it game dev if your game doesn't have a game?

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>>161547206
You can still make it with the VR meme

>all this talk about selling your game

HOW ABOUT FINISHING YOUR GAME FIRST?
HOW ABOUT POSTING PROGRESS THEN?

>>161547151
HAHAHA, dumbshit posting his dumbshit game.

thanks for posting the game, i will shit on it everytime i see it from now.

on the other hand, i'm not as retarded as u, so i won't give u the chance to do the sae.
But i can tell u that i posts my game on recap too.

see ya later, moron.

>>161527003
>debris popping up within the cameraview
>not rotating

>>161547304
Everyone here can tell what a joke you are.

Enjoy your 30k a year from gamedev, anon.

>>161547304
You sound butthurt.
You could have a game but you don't because you spend all your time shitposting. I feel sorry for you.

>>161547206
no fucking way. That can't be true

>>161547304
ITT: You have no games.

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>>161547273
It took me 2 days just to figure out how blast processing works, give me some time

>>161547535
will you make it to the dino jam?

>>161547602
I kind of doubt it unless you'd be happy with a dinosaur sprite bouncing around the screen

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if i have money and good ideas how hard is it to find a lead developer who can help me find the right people/equipment?

i have roughly 2 million usd, an empty office space that can fit 20-30 ppl, and experience producing, delivering, and selling independent films

>>161547795
I'm sure you could very easily find someone willing to take your money. Don't know if you'd actually see any return on it, though.

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>>161547725
having a dino PONG is better than having no game

you could make it that two T-Rex'es are the two paddles and the ball is a frightened grass eating dino who wants to escape from the T-Rex'es - perhaps make the grass eating dino sometimes alter its path aswell

>>161547116
I wish we had more true retrodevs

>>161547795
Start extremely small. Like make a mobile/casual game for 20,000 or something. Don't go all out right away until you learn. Find people you trust.

You NEED the experience of making basic simple shit.

>>161547883
Honestly, I'm not even sure how to do collision detection on the Genesis yet. There is a bit on the video processor control register that gets set if two sprites overlap, but I think it's mostly in there for backwards compatibility with the Master System. Seems kine of useless with the number of sprites on the Genesis since there's no indication of which sprites or anything like that (maybe good for not even checking collisions on frames where the bit's not set, though).

I'm guessing most games probably rolled some collision rectangles just like modern game dev.

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>>161547795
My advice is:

1) Find a lead developer on a title with a similar scope of the games you are looking to make. Offer them an hourly wage OR a small percent of future revenue if they will conduct interviews of other lead developers for you. Why would you do this? Because you don't have any experience and you don't want to get grifted. You need to make sure that the person you are hiring as your lead dev can handle everything you can't, they have to be a rock solid game developer. That's something someone without experience like you, will never be able to tell, because you won't be able to ask the right questions.

2) Hire said lead developer on an hourly basis to start hiring other employees and conduct the interviews for you.

3) If your game requires a team of more than 4-5 people, you need to downsize. Start small. 300k budget.

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went through my code and made sure that players can't do stuff they shouldn't be able to do while expeditions are in the field - for example like taking items away from expeditions and giving them to the base when the expedition is 4 days distance from the base

now I can finally start working on events

>>161548095
can't you write collision logic for yourself?
for something as simple as PONG it shouldn't be that hard ... right?

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>>161547913
i get that because i had to work my way up in the film world and honestly every project that had a larger scope than i had ever worked on was a serious learning experience that made me better in the end


however

i just want to provide the game idea/financing/scheduling/accounting. in film you call that a producer, i'm not sure what you call that in the game world, but is it okay to start a little bigger than a mobile game for 20k considering that i will presumably be hiring someone who is competent and has years of experience?

>>161548096
thanks that is a good idea.

>>161548249
bee attack needs a little more juice, give it anticipation

>>161548249
You should really have some kind of transition or animation for the "YOU DIE" screen, it's way to sudden (it's also pretty ugly imo).

>>161548178
I just mean that on some early consoles I've worked with they had hardware collision detection, so I still have to research what the typical solution on the Genesis was

>>161548325
>knowing how to animate 2D UI

Hah

>>161547795
sounds like bullshit but i'll bite.
instead of hiring 20-30 people to follow a "lead developer" and literally burn all your money on a single shit project the intelligent thing to do would to have all of those people be 1MAs working on their own things until something bubbles up that is clearly shining above everything else and THEN dedicating more people to polish up that thing.
remember to save most of your money for marketing

>>161547369
Sorry anon, it's straight from steamspy's twitter page

w-what happened to steam chat?

>>161548679
it went full steam

>>161548679
discord happened

>>161548764
discordchat detected

>>161548705
>>161548764
where the discord link at my dudes?

>>161548843
in medical cancer treatment department

>>161548843
https://discord.gg/5bcTw

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>>161548363
to be honest that's either a retarded idea or a brilliant one

either way i won't be going that route

>>161548982
It's gogem, of course it's retarded.

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>>161548325
Hows this?

>>161549185
>>161548982
explain how it's even slightly retarded.... the only way you fuck up is if you have no idea how to vet for 1MAs and end up hiring nothing but nodevs.

>>161548982
hire peter molyneux and his studio

>>161549207
it's not better
take a bunch of nintendo games and analyze the fonts and effects they use, also their animations
adding outline and shadow to shit is not as simple as taking the whole thing, copying it once and painting it black
you'll be much better off after it

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>>161549295
for one, it's retarded because it's slow and inefficient and you could probably just ask reddit/4chan for game ideas and get 100 shitty ones and a couple decent ones and save yourself a million dollars and a huge amount of time

if the game doesn't sound good on paper i want nothing to do with it, no need to bother prototyping a million different shit ideas

>>161549558
>literally never made a game
i see

>>161549634
I think you meant to quote >>161548363

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>>161549634
>not a rebuttal
have a nice day

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>>161549558

>your life is a game, and it doesnt sound good on anything

get rekt faggot.

>>161549687
in the future when you're poor and a little bit smarter remember this exchange

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>>161549502
I don't have the skills to copy Nintendo effects to a tea, even more in their UI and animation styles.

>>161549502
That fredoka font is amazing you ass.

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Still making progress. The idea here is you trigger a powerful thrust attack, if you go far enough you can really lay the hurt on with some lightning and shit.

>>161549834
That looks pretty polished and nice to me.

>>161549834
That's fine. You should make the countdown stop when you die though.

>>161549908
this game seems REALLY cool

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It's like a graveyard thing.

>>161548279
20k on a mobile game was just a shitty example, not meant literally. My point was that you should start very, very small and basic to get experience before blowing your wad. There's so many lessons you need to learn.

It doesn't have to be 20k or a mobile game to start.

While we're talking, give me 1000 shekels and I'll make you a good space game. :^)

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IMAGINE BEING STRANDED ON A PLANET FILLED WITH DINOSAURS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What would you do to protect yourself from dinos while you are outside the base?

Conditions:
>you only have access to any material you can find in woods (wood, strings, leather, bones, clay)
>any advanced material like iron and such is inaccessible
>compliance training of captured herbivore dinosaurs will take a lot time to finish, which means that no beasts of burden can be used yet
>dinosaurs are scary beasts with thick skins
>machines (like bikes, cars and guns) are unobtainable due to not having any advanced materials

>>161549834
it looks scarily like a russian childrens television show

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>Decide to get back to work on old project
>So much junk in it
>See all the terrible sloppy code I've done
>Spend two days stripping the project and rebuilding a bunch of it
>Realized I stopped working on it cause I'm shit at art, especially compared to jojo sprites

Time to get back to practicing spriting.

>>161551678
Is this a Jojo reference?
Just kidding,looks good, though I'm not sure what that thing that looks like a floating camera is for.

>>161551732
I'm using sprites from the Jojo fighting game because I'm trying to make a game where you fight by striking poses that counter attacks.

The camera is story stuff for why you are able to use poses to do things like counter and to do different abilities.

>>161551873
Oh I see, sounds fun. Keep at it!

>>161551873
so its a game about taking selfies in a NEET gathering?

>>161551929
Sure, but it'll mainly be in space, but I guess you'll be going up against some gross beings.

>>161547795
Do you just have no connections whatsoever? How do you reach this level of success and not know how to start a project?

This is amature game dev so not a great place to ask.

>>161551369
Is this just ARK or something?
>imagine a generic perpetually alpha survival game with dinosaurs

>>161551678
I remember this.

>>161552186
no, not ARK
you have a base and that base is your home until rescue arrives
along with you, you have a bunch of other crew members
but your food is running out and you can't just hunker in your base and wait for starvation

so, you must go out to look for food. you send out expeditions to forage and expeditions to hunt dinosaurs and expeditions to perform logging operations. But how would those expeditions protect themselves out there.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/466480
You think you could do better than this yesdev?
You can't

>>161552871
>4 reviews

oh

>>161552871
what the fuck

>>161552871
so this is the power of clickteam

>>161552871
And yet You are a Torpedo AI didn't get GreenLit. What the actual fuck.

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>>161552584

>told myself I'd work on my game today
>already 2pm and haven't worked on my game today

no social life is bad for dev motivation

>>161547206
Only 4207 games released. Sure that's a lot, and it will probably continue to climb. But also, that's not even scratching the surface of how bad it is for mobile. There are several hundred mobile games released every single day.

>>161554030
>/r9k/ shit
>motivation meme
cut yourself away from the internet you fucknugget and work

>>161553396
Thats a cute lil spider

>>161554112
>cut yourself away from the internet you fucknugget and work
He's obviously a unity answer/stackoverflow babby and couldn't program anything himself without copying

>>161554048
Yes but mobile games take only like a week to make.

The ones on steam are the big 2~5 year games.

>>161554359
>The ones on steam are the big 2~5 year games.
Like this one? >>161552871

>>161554359
are you retarded? I could make at the very least half of those games in less than a month

>>161552871
>Rage Pig is a non-stop run'n'gun hardcore action platformer! Remember the 90's when computer games were something incredibly hard to make? No Unreal Engine, no free assets no nothing. Rage Pig brings you to the times when indie was not so mainstream!

Their selling point is that the game is literally shit by any of today's standards?

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>>161552871
I like this

>>161554503
best part of that is it was made in clickteam

>>161552394
Clubs
Sticks with sharpened rocks fastened to them
How do you think humans survived the dinosaurs?

>>161552871
how does a game like this manage to get greenlite

is it all automated now?

>>161554790
if it gets enough votes it gets in
if you thought that there are or ever were people in steam offices who actually check what kind of garbage is going into their service then you're mistaken

>>161554790
greenlight is more about attrition than quality
as long as you don't have a meltdown and take your greenlight down because you got some no votes, you'll get in, it may take 2 years but there's no quality control

>>161554214
Where's your non-engine game big shot?

>>161554880
>half the reviews are fake
>Rage Pig is by far the best game of 2016

Let's check steamSpy.

>540 ± 747 owners
>540 * $1.99
>$1,074.6
>steam takes 30%
>$756.00

this fucking 12 year old made $700 off this garbage.

disgusting.

>>161555112
Makes me actually think if I should actually upload my 2 finished games I haven't released because I thought they weren't that good. They're way better than this garbage garbage though, better looking too. Maybe the only reason people buy it is because it's this awful though.

>>161554702
They threw big rocks at them

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>>161527525
Day 2,
+tabbed menu for upgrades
+more placehlders for plants
+number rounding(k/m/b/t)

>>161552871
Soooo.
Something was talking about shit games not getting greenlit.
I guess you were wrong.
And maybe about 100 people won't refund the game, bringing in around $200 before taxes.

>>161555841
I don't think the average steam user knows refunds exist there

>>161555459
If you're unsure you could sell them on itch.io first. There's less "risk", because it's free to sell the games, and itch.io takes less of a cut (optionally down to 0% cut if you want).

If you can make $100 on itch you could pay for the greenlight to get the games on Steam.

>>161552871
>tfw not gonna make it

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when u just cant take it anymore

>>161555112
>this fucking 12 year old made $700 off this garbage.
If dev is a Russian, then he is rolling in nice paycheck now.

>>161555896
Graph on Steamspy seems fucky, so probably some people refunded it.
But if most people doesn't know, then maybe dev probably got those $700

>>161552871
Post more.

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Show me your oldest progress image/webm you can find

>>161556267
Maybe it's cause I just woke up and still half tired, but this was really fuckin funny.

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>>161556502
Dead for now

>>161555112
Don't forget their cut of trading card sales

WHEN YOU LOOK FOR ME I'M GONE IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES....

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>>161556502
here you go frogposter
first one i posted on agdg

>>161556572
shit, I think I remember that game

>>161556325
>If dev is a Russian, then he is rolling in nice paycheck now.

>Alexander Kov
Fuck, I was right.

>>161556604
Cannot find them.

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>>161556502
not even the oldest desu

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>>161556502

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>>161556502

>>161555112
or he just threw out some copies and got like 5 sold copies

>>161556572
I miss this game, comfy camping is the best. I hope you go back to it one day.

What are you working on now?

>>161547206
A lot of the games that are presented through greenlight are shit though.

>>161557097
Achievement table points that there are more people who played it, maybe they refunded it, maybe not.

$700 is a bit more than monthly average wage in Russia, btw.

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>>161556502
If I recall correctly this one is the first thing I ever posted about it here. Not sure if counts as actual progress since it was just a mock up.

>>161557292
>$700 is a bit more than monthly average wage in Russia, btw.
Is everyone in severe debt or is it just cheap as hell to live in Russia?

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>>161556502

>>161557363
Russia is cheap as fuck and there come sanctions as well.

http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=700&From=USD&To=RUB
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/wages

>>161557515
>those wage inconsistencies
literally wtf

>>161557481
arikado-sama sugoiiiiii

>>161557363
The Greenlight fee in Russia is literally half what it is in EU/US

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>>161556502
Here is footage of the earliest versions of bokube I posted to agdg a year ago.

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Trying out some new urban landscape stuff. Still needs a ton of stuff like actual buildings but this is a good start.

Eventually I'll make 3D models to cover up the city textures going under the sea so it looks more like a port.

>>161557363
>>161557292
Is Russia any decent to live in?

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>>161556502
too bad i don't have time to work on it anymore ;_; maybe in a year

>>161557481
>>161557843
Is amazing how some games have changed so much that they look like a totally different game.

>>161557934
>Is Russia any decent to live in?
I'm not Russian, but I bet it's quite a corrupt hellhole.

>>161557934
if you are a hot girl, corrupt cops will literally arrest you on the street for some made up reason and then take you back to the station and rape you and you can't do anything about because who are you going to tell it to? to the cops?

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>>161557262
Hey, thanks! Though it was barely a game. Actually it wasn't a game at all. But yeah, I definitely want to go back to it when I'm better at programming (and everything else), this game is the reason why I started gamedevving in the first place.
I even 'rebooted' it at the beginning of this year, though it didn't last long (pic related). I'm never going to give up though. I'll try as many times as I have to.

Right now I'm working on that ARPG with everything being placeholder cubes.

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>38% of all steam games were released in 2016

we're fucked aren't we?

>>161558119
That's kinda hot.

>>161558198
yes, easy game dev tools are around only for years and the generation of gamer kids is now in their teens and 20s and they all want to make games and they can with unity etc, so increase a MASSIVE increase in released games in the coming years. If you think this is bad, you have seen nothing yet

>>161558325
Or it is just because Valve gave up their quality control