/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>>161367676

may your best character splat today.

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Reminder: mummies

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>>161367858

lmao

>>161368538
Pretty sure they do like 3d22 damage with their breath or so anon.

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+4 ring of evasion or +5 ring of protection?

>>161369535
ev > armor

>>161369535
Use both and ditch the ring of strength.

>>161369535
Kick the strength and wear +4 evasion. You aren't even wearing heavy armor or a 1-h weapon

>>161369535

keep both that +5 AC and +4 str

>>161369674
>>161369795
>>161369861
Thank you friends

>>161370074
For what purpose?

>tfw you find the spear of Boldog just before Wargs start spawning

>>161371309
tfw you kill the unique before it goes it goes up the stairs by throwing the spear of boldog like a hero of saga

Catafag here how the fuck do I do wilderness survival now that the foliage doesn't respawn? Do I have to wait a certain amount of time please I'm afraid of towns

>>161370520

Because that 4 str + cleave is way better than you think it is

>>161372302
Wilderness is endless. Evoke your feet.

What would be the number 1 item to wish for if crawl had wishes

>>161372457
>better than a 40% increase to EV
Uhhh.

>>161372706
Moon Troll Leather Armor

That or Plutonium Sword

>>161372079
The hail mary toss is fucking great

>>161372302
Unless it was very recent, they respawn on every season change.

You don't need to be afraid of the residential suburb. On average it's the least dense of the zombie spawns with the lowest quality and if it comes to it you can just set a house on fire and use that to kill everything. Use any ol' weapon and shrubs/windows to clear a block on the egde of town. Strip one house of nails, sheets, slings, and rags and shack up in another. Craft chain survival to 3 so you can forage. Craft chain tailoring for some armor so you can kill and loot for plastic stuff to cut up and craft chain to fab 4/5 for a funnel for unlimited water and a wooden spear/homewrecker or other weapon.

>>161372457
He's a formicid using battleaxes though. With 10EV he needs than more than a pittance of damage and it barely helps his ring mail.

>>161372706
Obsidian Axe.

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>>161372706

>>161372706
orb of zot IMO

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Can somebody spare a potion of restore ability? I got -5 (2) Int

>>161372706
for it to be nethack

>>161372706
A blessed greased tummy.

>>161372752
>>161372889

>10 EV ring mail

His EV is shit because he doesn't even have a single point of exp in it. If he really wanted an additional amount of defense so it becomes mediocre instead of being an abysmal 10 EV, he can train it but other than that, additional EV is unnecessary since he's not an LB user.

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Bleh, none of his other attacks did that much damage.

And I assumed at such low health his breath would be negligable.

Whatever

>>161372706

amulet of regeneration

>>161372457
>>161372752
>>161372889
I rolled with the STR for a bit and got my very first rune ever in the Swamp, everything in there went down without trouble except for the druids. I think I'm gonna stick with it for Spider.

>>161373224
Oka stuck me with a faith amulet that has a -3 to STR so I'm keeping it on to avoid the net loss

>>161372706
Shoalin/Robustness/Warding/Hat of the Alchemist

>still banned from the discord

>>161373974
get a job

>>161373663
that yamata no orochi is probably around 2,500 hp (it has 6000 at full health) and chaos does hp/6 capped at 600. 2500/6 = 416.666... damage before resists

math. It saves lives.

>>161372706
The Axe of Woe, for endless tabbing.

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>>161373663
also rip, I am sorry for your dude. Dying in the late midgame of poschengband is painful.

>>161374093
note that all the day down to 3500/5000 hp, the orochi still has max chaos breath damage available

anon could have gotten raped much faster by using that earlier, but felt like baiting anon in instead.

Did anon have any rChaos at all?

>>161374390
*3600, typo

its other breaths are also pretty bad. Toxic waste can seriously fuck up your character in many ways, even if you survive the damage. Not to mention nexus or disenchantment fuckyous.


Do not fight the yamato orochi until you seriously outclass it.

>>161374390
I had rChaos

Resisted everything except sound and shards.

Im gonna play a cavalry next time, see if I can get a GWOp or something else fun to ride.

>>161374390
Looks like he got double-breathed. Plasma Chaos combo.
So it wasn't just the chaos.

>>161372706

macabre finger necklace

>>161374732
ah yes
>you have been stunned

>>161374985
stun doesn't make you lose turns (unless you get a shitload of it), it just increases fail rates on a lot of shit

that was an old-fashioned double-turn, not any fancy stun nonsense

>>161375114
yamato no orochi has +13 speed though

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>>161375298
Anon who got assblasted here, Orochi as multiple heads, it might have ability to double breath.

i'll take "energy randomization" for 500, Alex

>going through tomb for the first time
>jesus this is really tough, fuck these greater mummies
>finally beat it
>check stats screen on a whim
>I was only at rNeg ++ instead of +++ because I forgot to put on one of my rings

How much of a difference would it have made, realistically?

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Oka finally put out. How good is this? It's basically a straight upgrade from my last gift from him and it got me really excited

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>When Gandalf shows up in your quest and really helps you out, but you're not sure whether you have to murder him at the end

>>161375575
>He doesn't probe to know how much of an inante speed bonus it got

I'm guessing tiamat's new drop is multihued DSM? That seems not worth the potions I spent killing her.

>>161376219
I once completed the mimic quest by enslaving the greater hell beast, but he's not a pet so I'm not sure.

>>161376494
that's different from energy randomization and i think it doesn't happen to uniques

each turn also costs a slightly randomized amount of energy

>>161375894

Those greater tummies will still make you stairdance so it doesn't matter. It's not like you're using a low hp race (148-199 max hp) for that to do anything and even if you're using one, the reduction is still negligible maybe except for a felid's.

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Bought a staff of summong

Time to use it at depth 90

>>161375298
+13 speed monsters can double turn +21 speed players because of energy randomization.

>Str drained so I'm at 2 str
>In a vault
>Stumble into a web
>Shadow spider bullying me
>Have a lantern and sceptre of fire but that's still not enough light
>Blinded by bites
>Finally break free
>Well I guess I ca....
>Get crit for 4d9 and explode into gibs
RIP stabdudes

>>161376978
>stealth dude without high perception
own fault

>>161376978
No rage to eat?

Playing Elona with permadeath is the most masochistic fucking thing I've ever heard.

Why would you ever want to play a game with 1000+ hours of grind twice.

>>161377227
How do you suggest it?

>>161377240
I had like 5. Fauilt

>>161377335
It's really not. You just slow and steady by abusing cash cnowballing to ensure you're overgeared by a wide margin. having your key sustains, immunities, and excessive resists on top of massive stats and and a mount focusing as an emergency health bar you're good.

>>161376219
That quest makes me QQ.

>>161376559
Yeah, ENERGY_REQUIREMENT follows a extremely heavily normal distribution (IIRC variance is something of 1/23).

>>161377569
Oh, so you avoid playing the 1000+ hours of grind twice by playing the now-2000+ hours of grind in the least interesting fashion possible.

>>161376654
dont die anon

>>161376725
evidently. Anon should have elected to haste.

>>161377732
>evidently. Anon should have elected to haste.
I started haste, it wore off at some point, maybe it got disenchanted? Disenchantment does that, I think.

>>161377628
Oh sorry, was talking about my ass. The standard deviation is 25.

>>161377725
I play it a little to unwind after work so it doesn't bother me any. You can play it like dicks and just focus on the key skills and really go for the goal. He got to Lost Irva pretty fast cause he wasn't stumbling on all the bloat.

>>161377732
>dont die anon
Died because light hound swarm combined with tough monsters.

Remembered why I didnt like cavalry
>FALLING OFF EVERY SINGLE TURN
>FAIL TO RIDE FAIL TO RIDE

>>161377725
Grinding twice as long in Elona is arguably the most correct way to play the game. There is no goal to pursue, the grind is the entire point.

>>161376654
why are scrolls of summon pet rarer than this staff

as far as I know they're worse in every way

>>161378002
both of those things are based on your mount's level

you don't need to get an ancient red dragon as soon as you have fire resistance

Vegan (moral and healthy) bump

>>161377628
Wait, poscheng has normie distribution for things?

Does it make it not a real roguelike?

>Swamp and Spider
>no rpois in the entire dungeon, orc and lair
what do

https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5epf2a/i_am_thankful_for_dcss_devs/
This is why you guys arent in the survey

>>161381269
Get better AC/EV or just dip them then go dip depths and stomp it

>>161381269

You can do Spider since it has no Swamp Dragons.

>>161381073
It's for some things. And no, it is still randomly determined. The spread just follows normal distribution.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=066d66bcbfdfcf5d4d2184118f2b230fca79a93d
>but if Tomb can't pull together enough fodder to provide coherent variety for the length it wants then we should probably review what's currently there as stands
DEVS THINKING ABOUT REMOVING TOMB FLOORS
WE HAVE TO FUCKING STOP THEM

>>161381747
Read the full commit you minotaur.

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The Amy is bored and therefore shares this picture with all the fans of SLEX. (cue shilling because one day the new version will be released :) (and the smiley is just the icing on the cake))

>>161381450
it's fine I guess, just some random loser with no taste in video games
would be worse if he praised them for all the gender stuff

>>161381934

Did... did you just assume their gender?

>>161381848
Who the fuck is Amy

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>drop a lit joint
>it lands on my pants
>I'm on fire
>try to put it out
>fail x10
>try to run outside in the rain
>collapse in the doorframe
>roll to put it out
>fail x5
>flame goes everywhere
>legs broken
>fire extinguisher is literally 8 tiles away
>can't reach it
>still on fire
>fire blows up my ammunition
>"You're caught in the explosion!"
>"You're caught in the explosion!"
>"You're caught in the explosion!"

RIP
Weed kills

>>161382203
unload water onto yourself

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if you're combo has anything from below the red line you're officially a scrublord noob wearing silky panties
>>161382161
attentionwhore dev of the worst nethack fork aka slex

>all uniques that arent just hurr me smash are now female
why

>>161382272
Gotta get that e-poon

>>161382230
>there are 3 fighter classes
>vs
>like 12 casters classes
>omg why do the melee guys have more wins

>>161382316
whatever go play your HaHu^Oka or something equally non challenging and boring you shitter

>>161382230
>SpAS of Dith
lol kay kiddo

>>161382230
Humans are one of the easiest species though

>>161382230
is there a statistic for each combo's winrate?

>>161382230
>Formicid and Chei are now considered easy
what a time to be alive

How do I suppress my autism and have a comfy CDDA run free of endless craft grind?

>>161382585
Willpower
Make a lua mod to automatically blacklist all recipes with difficulty above 2.

>>161382585
Just stop being an autist? An Ambulance or RV sized vehicle is fine once you refit it with cargo spaces, stow boards, and spiked plating. Avoid time heavy shit and instead craft your basic cloth and leather armor and some wood spears to get yourself started. Then just aggressively slam, slam, slam the town. Get the good shit and move on. Once you have computer skill you'll be able to chug through fields on the way to towns for lab id's. Keep downloading new lab maps and keep looting towns as fast as you can. Middling armor is sufficient for most of the midgame and you'll get plenty of guns, ammo and explosives.

>>161382734
>>161382585
Also, don't forget that good int and fast reader will let you read morale books a lot so you can have rock solid combat skill. Being limited only by the need to sleep when you're out of soda and caffeinated gum is nice

>>161382712
But that would blacklist a lot of craft-only shit

Actually, would it be possible to limit batch crafting exp to encourage crafting various different things?

>>161382959
You mean hard limit (no xp after x crafts) or just decrease in xp?

If just decrease, it would probably just make you grind a whole lot more.

>>161382959
Please no. Churning through uncommon and rare materials for 5% at a time is dicks.

>>161382959
>>161383137
>>161383160
Not that anon but the idea to make it grant full xp for xy crafts and then lower it to 0 after xyz crafts
For example, something gives 100 crafting xp and then make it something like this
100 xp for first 20, 30 crafts
92 xp for latter 20, 30 crafts
81 xp for later 20, 30 crafts
etc..
You get what i mean, though this is just a raw example and the numbers should be adjusted accordingly to the receipe and crafting materials and everything else

>>161382548

But they both are. There's a reason why Cheishitters are a thing. You should be more impressed at a MiBe since he's playing the game with only his trusty OTAB while a Cheishitter has everything.

>>161383419
What if we combine Humans and Chei

>>161383258
Yeah no. There is zero benefit to that other than making the game even more shit. All it does is cause skill level logjams, force even more book reliance, and scour your uncommon and rare resources to craft junk you often can't even disassemble. Getting those resources is just added tedium. It just adds busywork and time for nothing.

>>161383419

Chei could be balanced if his statgain is purely Invo dependent. That +45 stats at level 12-13 is simply disgusting to be quite honest with you.

>>161383585
So he would just be zin?

>>161383419
>>161383585
But chei is nefred, it has piety decay now :^)

>>161383620

It doesn't matter. The devs """"""""optimally designed"""""""" 2 (two) gods to give DUDE FREE STATS LMAO for literally no reason at all. It's expected to have a disgusting and ugly result even if he's rebalanced like this to look like Zin.

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Some coffeebreak-mode shittery.
I want metamorphosis to work. Maybe I should see some buffs onto dragons/metamorphed folk in general. Not sure how...

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>>161384290
Fucking chaos tiles.

>try nemelex
>he gifts me a deck of summoning
>use it
>summons hostile shit
>kills me
Is nemelex the only god other than xom that can actively kill you
what the fuck is even the point

>>161385081
Maybe if you had higher invo

>>161385081

You don't use summoning on a whim at any time you like if you don't even have any reliable escape methods that works at any situation. Stupid faultmaster

>>161381073
Results of dice rolls for most of dnd calculations are distributed normally.

>>161386028
There's "dice distribution" and there's the actual normal distribution.

You achieve the latter by rolling a single number and mapping it to the distribution. The results are similar, but normal distribution is technically unbounded.

>>161386282
HOWEVER All normal distributions are bounded by the number of variables and their potential outcomes.

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are you having a giggle xom?

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>>161388241
lmao this is too fun

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Time to feel conflicted.

>>161389525
I'm a bit behind on the million forks
Does the R fork include all the ElliSmelliWhatevers?

>>161390162
No, since I forked it from vanilla.

>>161390195
Aw.

>poschengband R
>fork by a guy named floatrand
>not called poschengrand
Missed opportunity desu.

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pls give game recommendations. I'm looking for something like a roguelike which also has some grinding/level/stat progression.

Something similar to Hero Siege and Rogue Legacy would be cool.

I already have all of:
Binding of Isaac
Crypt of the NecroDancer
Hero Siege
Risk of Rain
Rogue Legacy
Enter the Gungeon
bit Dungeon II
Full Mojo Rampage
Gauntlet
Torchlight I/II

someone recommended me elona+ so I'm gonna try that but more recommendations would be cool

>>161390353
get a job

>>161390387
i have a job nerd

>>161390495
sucking dick isn't a job unless you get paid for it faggot

>>161390495
Then give me blowjob

>>161390353
Fuck off.

>>161390532
oh yeah well ur mom

>>161390353
slex
tome-sx
diablo 2

big trap rework incoming
shadowtraps are coming back

>>161390935
DCSS?
Is this Lasty's meme counter?

>>161390935
Do they want to fix that bullshit where tracking back your own steps is the optimal gameplay?

>>161391146
Yeah. The response is to make traps randomly appear under you sometimes.

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>>161391224
I can't exactly pinpoint what is retarded about it, but it sounds really retarded.

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fucking dragonfly stealing my kill.

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>>161390320
Probably. Then again, I don't think it is grand in any way.

I should get back to do something useful.

>>161392682
>that horrible nearest neighbor scaling
It's a pain to look at
Can't you pick a resolution that this scaling won't butcher?

>>161383523
Then make it so that earlier stages give more xp than the current ones where it lowers after xy amounts of crafts made?

>>161393314
?

>>161393250
How do?

>>161393472
So for example, if right now crafting receipe gives 100 xp
Make so that the first 50ish crafts give 350 xp and then it drops every 30 after that or something among those lines
350 xp, 312 xp, 274 xp, 230 xp, etc..

>>161393543
That's just more grinding, not really a fix.

The solution to grind should be either removing the ability to grind or removing the need to grind, not making it slower.

>>161393670
Its not really slower if you have high peaks of xp like that early on and then them becoming low like that the more you make the same stuff, it will just make you craft something else after some time

>>161393735
Unless the xp drop was giant, it would still be faster to just powergrind the best recipes anyway.
Plus, for many skills (tailoring, mechanics) it doesn't make sense to limit xp per recipe, because there are 5 similar recipes. Say, if you exhausted xp for pantsus, you'd switch to crafting boyshorts, then briefs etc.

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I figured that Merchant's Friend mutation is rather cool, so I made it baseline thing in shops.

Instead Merchant's friend cuts the price of the particular services to 1/3 ( the original cost ), and increases the amount of gold the shop-keepers have.

>>161392682
Jesus man, how can you play with that 3 pixel per letter font
Enlarge your window

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>>161395504
what are you talking about, it looks fine to me. Is it supposed to look different?

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>>161395785
r u avin a giggle m8

>>161395932
>tiles

>>161396035
Tiles nonwithstanding, when I turn them off the font stays the same.

>>161385081
Get more power and don't call up what you can't put down.

The part where nemelex is absurdly powerful as long as you build and invoke responsibly? Stacking gives you consistent saves. Deal four gives you obscene burst in a pinch. The point is Nem is a god with amazing AoE, direct damage, buffs, escapes and summons that you can activate at will at the cost of not having Xom mutations

>>161390353
Best one we got, https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983

Brogues a sequel but it just doesn't have the mouth feel of the original. Plus you need to beat rogue so you're aware of the plot in brogue for lore puzzles.

>>161393314
No. You have no grasp of the existing system. Adding more grind does not improve the game it only further pulls you out of it as you backtrack and dig through shit for bits and bobs or have to spend more time welding on even more storage to haul a wider range of bits and bobs.

>>161396402
kek

0-1 nethack
2-3 unnethack
4-5 dynahack
6-7 crawl
8-9 reroll for sil/ia

>>161397236
01 VpEn^Hep
23 MiGl^Oka/Trog
45 GrFi^Oka/Trog
67 DEEE^???
89 HuHu^???

>>161397236
>>161397375
What a terrible night you have ahead of you.

>>161397375
Try the new UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS god on the cbro experimental. It replaces/enhances tabbing.

>>161397845
>tfw it will never get added without being gutted because of its mehanical complexity
Feels ieoh man.

DID THEY NERF
VINE
MOTHER
FUCKING
STALKERS
?

! ! ! THEY DON'T BEGIN THE GAME WITH REGENERATION ! ! !

Why'd they remove Pakellas?

>>161401621
Too broken

>>161398216
Yeah... I hate the Anal god change...

>>161380825
I raise, kill, butcher and eat rabbits and chickens with my own two hands

come @ me

>>161390353
Starward Rogue

Why do people care about """"balance""" in a single-player game?

>>161402819
Because then the most efficient route is the same every time if you have something unbalanced that outshines everything else. Either everything must become unbalanced after a certain point, including the enemies, or you have to keep everything in equilibrium with each other to make sure you keep gameplay open enough for the player. Look at Elona+, the whole game is unbalanced as fuck on the hardest mode and the best way to tip the scales back to you is to play unbalanced back, which is boring as fuck.

>>161402819
Autism pro explanation:

Building a character in vidya is an optimization problem: maximization of some approximated function of power.
When there is no balance, this measure-of-power function has one obvious global maximum and anyone who is gud will find it.
When you add proper balance, there are multiple local maxima that change depending on circumstances.

By nerfing the strongest option and removing the choice to be unbalanced, you actually add more choices to the game.

In a game with no balance, you only have 2 choices:
>use the most broken shit
>play badly

>>161399653
You know that thing where the devs make things you get/can do with no investment weaker early on, but more powerful after some training? They did that with Vinestalker regeneration. By XL 15 or so it combines with Fast Healing 3 to be better than Fast Healing 3.

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>when you find some weird randart based off something you've never seen
Sadly it's 70 lbs and not very useful even with +1.5 blows.

>>161403595
What the heck is fast healing? Regeneration is my only ^.

>>161403567
This is a very accurate and well worded post.

>>161403673
IIRC it's the name of the regeneration mutation.

>>161403742
The name of the regeneration mutation is regeneration.

>>161403567
The actual problem is that if you balance the game so it's bullshit for everything except the broken option(s), then people won't pick other options even for fun because they'll be shit.

If you're playing the strongest option in a pve game always even when others are still viable, then you just have a serious case of wannabe esports autism. Nerfing and removing everything is just tardwrangling in disguise.

>>161403567
>>161402985
While these are good and valid explanations, I feel that the current crawl devs have gone far too far in search of "balance". In a single player game, you are not obliged to play only the most optimal choice. It's okay to have stronger and weaker combinations.

>>161404024
See, the issue is that it's nearly impossible to achieve perfect balance in any game more complex than Rock Paper Scissors. Chess is imbalanced to white winning, and a roguelike has infinitely more options than chess - it is in the actual definition of the word, literally impossible to balance a roguelike.

>>161403834
>If you're playing the strongest option in a pve game always even when others are still viable, then you just have a serious case of wannabe esports autism.
Or just wanting to play well.

Playing the weak and useless options means you are doing one of:
>voluntary challenge
>playing badly
>not sure what you're doing and are trying to figure it out

If you have to prevent yourself from playing well by doing some unspecified bullshit like
>I won't pick the "broken" shit
then you're just being a scrub who is actively preventing himself from learning to play better.

Crawl is made by people who want tactics, not RP or flavor. It has "interesting tactical choices" as the primary buzzword.
If you want flavor, gimmicks or exploration, try DDA, Elona, Qud or anything else that doesn't rely on "tight design" or "interesting tactical situations".

>>161404776
>Playing the weak and useless options
And that only happens when the game balanced for the strongest option. Who the fuck uses hexes in crawl past some meme spriggan speedruns because everything has 1000000000000 magic resistance, how many people use magic when it's shit and you could just otab, who the fuck played Nemelex after the countless nerfs, who the fuck uses 99% of the options in Angband variants because the math for the spells and abilities is completely wrong and they do literally nothing and high level enemies are immune to almost everything etc.

Crawl and poschengband are broken ass fucking games and removing/nerfing the good strategies won't make the game any better, because the shit strats are still shit and the game is still shit.

>>161402616
>eating with your bare hands
use a fork you disgusting animal

>>161405726
I AM MAN

I AM ALIVE

I AM A HEALTHY ANIMAL

COME AT ME YOU BALL-LESS NUMALE

>>161403774
yes

the fast healing mutation used to exist and gave half as much regen per level as other sources of regen

it was removed. trolls got regen 1 instead of FH2, and VS eventually grow to regen2 instead of FH3

>>161405717
>And that only happens when the game balanced for the strongest option.
So, literally every time the balance isn't a concern and difficulty isn't dogshit.

Can't have choices and no balance. Meaningful variety relies on balance.

>>161405810
will you eat my dick with your bare hands anon?
:3

>>161406153
He only eats animals. Dick isn't one.

I'm sure he will gladly choke and devour your cock, though.

>>161405984
The DCSS dev idea of """""balance""""" is nerfing the fuck out of everything the player might use to get a leg up, because the good options aren't as shit as the bad ones and anything that doesn't work exactly like the devs want and only like the devs want is too """"nethacky"""" and """"""""""scummy""""""""""""". And of course nothing broken can ever be fixed or worthless options buffed so they're capable of functioning in the game environment that's been set up, because OMG POWERCREEP OMG

Just look at what kind of hoops the crawl devs and devdrones jump through to justify entire spell schools being totally obsolete against late/extended enemies, and how they think spellhunger is simultaneously and elegant tactical mechanic but also something that will never be a threat to the player, and how they simultaneously remove more and more """""tedium"""" like inventory weight from the game but keep their shitty """""balance"""" mechanic as a sacred cow because clearly magic doesn't require enough effort compared to otab minotaurs already.

>>161406565
>SpWr of carrying 180 large ruk

>>161406565
They removed something you liked, so the game """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'sucks""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" now?

They may fuck up once in a while, but keep in mind that most of /rlg/ is shit at vidya, so /rlg/ not being able to abuse the most powerful elements of crawl doesn't mean everything in crawl is shit.

Though I agree about poison magic. It's inexcusable.

>>161407013
Welcome to Mountain Dwarves newfag, enjoy your stay.

>>161406565
Maybe people would take you and your opinions seriously if you didn't type like an obnoxious retard.

Does statue form nerf your damage if you're using a fast one handed weapon with 20-30 slaying?

>>161408174
>20-30 slaying
Holy shit anon.
Yes it probably would. Fsim it.

>>161408174
Statue Form grants 50% extra melee damage to offset the slow, and gives UC an extra bonus I can't remember the specifics of.

>>161408174
no anon, it applies a flat +50% to melee damage AFTER all other modifiers

if you aren't using unarmed you will do the same damage per aut with or without it

if you ARE using unarmed, you will benefit from statform's unarmed bonuses as well and will do more damage than without it

>>161408326
The question is whether or not that extra damage applies to base weapon damage like a brand or does it also multiply your slaying bonus?

>>161408529
brands multiply your slaying bonus in crawl, anon

you are playing too much pcb

>>161408625
i want proofs

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i will go find a sourcecode to screenshot, brb

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>>161408880
oh shit that image doesnt even have brands in it, what the fuck


anyways here is a shitty screenshot

the code is too spread out and split among multiple files so i'm not including every last line of all that shit

oh yeah also calc_damage applies AC, so multiplicative brands are a multiplier to POST-ac damage.

I can PROBABLY do just one more level of Zig, right?

>>161409417
Well just slap some brackets around the formula in that image and multiply it by multiplicative brands then add in additive brands wherever those go.

Seriously debating whether to take this DeGL of Qazlal into Pan or just winning with 10 runes.

How the fuck is an enchanter supposed to kill death yaks without Invis now that its gone from the starter book?

I live when a conversation here peters off and then we get a string of really inane comments/questions about the same game in a row.

Probably confirmation bias, but it seems to happen a lot.

>>161410435
dazzle them

or abuse your high stealth skill to LITERALLY WALK AWAY

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I found this on /v/ of all places

>>161404024

There are plenty of stronger and weaker combinations in the game. No one is talking about buffing Mummy or nerfing Minotaur.

>hep looks cool, guess I'll give it a try
>HuAs
>D3
>open up a sealed door because feeling pretty confident
>it's crazy yiuf
>how bad could he be tbqh
>die

I've gotten too used to tabtaurs for this shit

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Fucking quests. I really don't want to fight this guy.

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>>161412443
tfw not a roguelike

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when you rush the orb and die in one turn

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>>161412935
Oh, never mind. Cast Glove of Invulnerability only once, just blinked around mostly. I was worried about getting double-turn rocketed, which might have killed me.

>>161372706
armor of the dragon king unless your strength is shit

>>161381747
Good, Tomb is shit. Flavor is its only redeeming virtue, a designed entirely around stair dancing is shit.

>>161390935
Where is the proofs?

>>161411093
Ferret just needs to release the new demon build so Demon discussion can resume. Crawl is cancer.

>>161414843
your mom has cancer

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>>161409602
i autismed a little bit

i kind of want to make this into a pretty format with color coding and shit

but also im kind of lazy

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I wish there was some easy way to determine how speed increases your damage.

Is +11 more speed better than my ring of combat (+0, +20)?

MALMUTATE SHOULD BE VERSUS MAGIC FUCKING RESISTANCE

>>161416473
After +30ish speed you get diminishing returns, so more likely your ring of combat will be better than reaching 44 speed.

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>>161416473
press ~w to look at your damage per round

multiply that by your actual speed to get damage per "aut" or whatever

note: actual speed isn't visible anywhere, you have to look up your +speed in a table in the sourcecode

hmmm possible improvement:
display the actual speed mult next to the +speed value on the C screen

>>161417015
>the (compiled out) small random energy boost code

why the motherfuckers hide these important things

fucking japanese variable names too

>>161420268
It's most likely a result of hacky fixes on hacky fixes, similar to what was happening to DDA in the json bloat era when copypasting was considered programming.

Nowadays any sensible programmer would generate this giant table with a template function.

>>161381848
imo you should resubmit the same image but with worse cropping so that rlg knows slex is truly blessed with the ancient foul curse of arelgee

"SlashEMExtended tty Version 1.8.4" reads like one in an unfortunate series of cosmetic surgeries.

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how does this look for displaying actual speed multplier

>>161420758
this means disregarding random energy you get 4.9x the turns of a 0 speed monster?

the thing is, it doesn't let you see the relation between your speed and that of the enemies, but it still seems like a good thing that you're showing it

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>>161420884
yeah that's what it means.

note that 99 speed is only slighltly better than speed 30. the metal babble is not gonna triple turn psycho-spear you

>>161421219
uh
if you're at 30 it wont

>>161421839
well yeah

but the point is that being 85 speed doesn't make it 9.5x as fast as a 10 speed monster

>>161404204
Imbalance to some extent is fine. What isn't fine is having the easiest-to-play combos also being the most powerful, and putting huge amounts of effort into rebalancing that exacerbates this rather than addressing it.

>>161421219
Well he still can because energy randomization and unequal action costs exist. It's just insanely unlikely.

>>161420758
A good representation, yeah.

are ancient dragons in the mountains no longer a thing? I flew there and found nothing

>>161416912

Why? Malmutate is one of the unique features in the game to piss people off regardless of character power. If you add something that can passively resist it, or completely/almost completely resist it if player reaches [X stage of the game] might as well remove it since it becomes bloat which is bad.

Get good.

>>161425746
So fire and ice are bloat because you can resist them?

>>161425746
>>161425850
I'm getting brain damage from reading this tripe.

>>161425850

You seem to be misunderstanding both the purposes of damage related features and malmutate thinking their purpose are one and the same. Have you even stopped for a moment before typing something retarded?

>>161426078
that's because you're supposed to eat tripe not put it in your brain

>Try to make PCB generate random jewelry artifacts

This is sorta tricky. No success yet. Not sure where things go wrong...

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>>161427740
Ah, got it to work. Small brainfart with logic.

Gotta test this out and see if I have to adjust the power. I get feeling that lot of artifacts would be inferior to egos with current code, but I don't know...

>source divan in order to write spoilers on bard songs
>try to figure out how their invuln spell works
APPARENTLY, instead of losing time when this song ends like every other invulnerability effect, bards (and hex mages) just lose 1 turn whenever ANY song is canceled by dispel or disenchant.
p. fucked up

bonus fun: the code for wild-magic invulnerabilty wearing off has a comment that says "no energy cost", but it actually calls the same code as other invuln and has the same energy cost

so if you use a wild weapon against dispellers you might randomly lose turns from your invuln getting dispelled


>>161425289
they still spawn there, but they'll be less likely in lower-level areas. go to high-level mountains and you'll even see great crystal drakes and AMHDs

>>161416912
Eat a bunch of chunks so you have 5-7 mutations. They soak up some malmutate and even if they don't you have good shit to offset it. If you ignore ranged damage options you're gonna eat shit faggot.

>>161428387
Yeah, the current randart amulets are not so exciting, though the fixedarts aren't amazing either. I guess you currently don't really get to see what a huge power amulet looks like.

Maybe Zeus's thingy, not sure what that is worth.

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It has been a while.

>>161431269
P.S. In hindsight I should have nabbed ember burst whenever I could have. Fire and mind still seems like a solid combo.

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>>161430389
I am probably gonna fiddle with the generation-code later on. I already added auras as possible effects ( OF_AURA_REVENGE too ).

Maybe add brands rarely as well...

>>161431867
>not one of these artifacts has +Wm
rip

>>161431269
What's a druj even good for?

>>161434029
Infecting and poisoning enemies. Duh. Recently I have been using them for healers.

>poschengband druj are animated body parts
Wonder how we got from fly demons to floating hands.

The vitality gains in the current latest version of Demon are more noticeable. I figure that the well fed modifier is even better than before. Even solid and warded can give some huge HP gains.

>>161412974
the fuck is this, Crawl is a roguelike you fuck

>>161434625
>druj == druj nasu
So you also think aqua and aqua regia are the same thing?

>>161436554
>Crawl
>roguelike
I want this meme to die.

>>161436554
>>161437063
no no you fool, he's saying Darkest Dungeon is not a roguelike because it's not

>>161437063

I only play real roguelikes like Crawl and PCB.

>>161437225
Crawl has felids which makes it definitely not a roguelike.

PCB has shop screens which makes it probably not a roguelike.

>>161438265
Applying a rule with no understanding of the reason behind the rule is simple idiocy.

>>161440187
>MONKS WERE DUMB BECAUSE THEY TRANSCRIBED BOOKS WITHOUT KNOWING THE LANGUAGES LMAO
t. butyl alcohol

>>161440187
also berlin interpretation is bad

>>161440374
Who is this butyl alcohol and what does xir opinion on monks have to do with roguelikes?
>>161440645
Also a good point, anon.

>>161441258
omg you will respect my right to identify as a tert-butyl compound with an alcohol substituent check your low boiling point priviledge you cis-isomer alkene, you are LITERALLY triggering me into my lower explosive range right now

playing dcss, is an amulet of harm worth it at all?

>Tome4
>playing Oozemancer
>come to the point where I have Spider-Silk Robe of Spydre, Evermoss Robe, and Crimson Robe

I NEVER know which one I should keep...

>>161441734
Good on launcher users and spellcasters that don't neglect defenses.

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pseudopcb updated with 2 new options:
-simple stat display: stolen from pcb-r
-display_race: does your dragon want to be a @ or a D

>>161441734
I've had success with it on DrCj, CeHu, DEIE, and HaHu.
Wouldn't use it past midgame though.

>>161442503
>display_race: does your dragon want to be a @ or a D

You're reading my mind here, guys

>>161442596
this is actually how it already works in vanilla pcb

ellipcb changed it to always @ because nofun

i added an option so funhavers and funnothavers can coexist in peace

>>161442503
Request: metamorphosed draconians become a D

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>Lose my only caseless ammo in a shootout with a door hulk
>Entire first floor of Shitlab is prisoner containment and the 2 is dickballs freezing cold
God bless america

>>161442723
What a wonderful fucking utopia we are living in. Holy shit!

>>161443497
done
don't think the player char can be animated though, so crystal Ds don't get to achieve their full majesty

>>161443963
>every lab I have ever discovered, even when in the middle of summer, is -60 or lower
relly maeks u think huh

>>161443963
C:DDA is fucking awesome

A lot has changed since 0.B?

>>161444543
cryo shit or something man

>>161444686
A fuckton for better and worse. There's a ton more ways to preserve food now and you can shove any liquid in vehicle tanks so you can have a tank of boozeberry with a faucet right by your driver's seat.

>>161445061
>you can shove any liquid in vehicle tanks
Is this a hidden feature in 0.C or one of those hoity toity experimental build things?

>>161445175
Experimental. 0.C is ancient.

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>>161445207
oh well. I will never get to witness this then

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>>161445329
I got this in experimental. Still playing one I grabbed from october 13th. You can usually just copy your save over and it works fine when you want to update.

>>161445453
Mobiles bases are a real thing now huh. Are fermenting tanks available for vehicles now too?

>>161445650
They were back then, you just had a lot of metal tanks and jerrycans in stow boards

Not that I know of. It's just some wood, nails, scrap, and a faucet though so you just store up must/washes on the road and when you setup outside a town and get a car going you can drop a vat while you go loot for 6 or 7 days to do all your boozin.

>>161445650
As a side note. You basically can't turn around so it's not uncommon to have to dig out the sledge and go smash stuff. And your city looting you gotta weld some cargo spaces onto your folding electric lootmobile or go salvage a car first. You gotta avoid the roads that go through forests too cause you can only ram and smash so much when you're the width of 3/4 of a road and the length of a city block. On the other hand, you get to do touchup welding in your downtime.

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Exhibit A of why you should approach summoners cautiously.

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>>161445329
>>161445453
Damn nice.

>>161446350
is a unique R in there somewhere?

i don't know who had the genius idea of giving uniques the same color as common enemies of their rce

>>161446552
It's even funnier cause NPC's are fairly useful now. I threw them all in mid-range armor and gave them a Qiang spear for reach attacks. We've been shitting all over packs with team power. We only really need a tailor hitching and hydroponic trays mod now.

>>161447007
>hydroponic trays
Fuck me it's like SS13 all over again
SpaceStation mod when

>>161446959
Looks like Grotug's pack.

>>161447127
>Unwrench trays
>Take them to xenobio
>Autism buddy and I spam diona and golems with spears and bucklers against cult manifest ghost spam

>>161446959
The H near the bottom left is the Norsa. He was alone before that.

>>161447380
>tfw no cult mod w/ Nar-Sie as a potential multitile entity
why live

>>161447431
yeah i was wondering if he summoned a unique R that came with an escort

>>161446959
Probably Yig, father of serpents who comes with a giant rape pack of R breathers.

whats a good foldable lootmobile in C:DDA? I dont know what parts i cant put in that will not break the foldability

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tummy slaaaash!

>>161448781
It lists foldable size in the installation list. Salvage an electric engine from a car. Unfold it, dig out your extra cargo spaces, wide wheels, and charged up storage batteried then zip around in a slightly thinner and longer than a car lootmobile.

>>161368538

I almost ripped in that room as GrFi. I was lucky to be able to retreat with all my combined defenses and kill that dragon in a corridor. I have no idea how I would've survived without my mutated fire resistance. Can't imagine walking up on that thing as Spriggan. lol

>>161368791
Wrong they do 3d24 :^)

How do I stop getting shit on as a HuFi, I haven't made it to the temple in the past 5 attempts

Where do I put the XP mang

>>161450727
all you have to do is understand threats, early game isn't about xp

>>161450727
>human fighter
do you mean human warrior?
pick mauler instead, its better

>>161448869

*teleports behind u
*pounds ur tummy

nothing personnel, kid

>>161450727

It isn't about the XP. It is how you stay alive while killing things for XP. You clearly don't have enough skill to play something outside of minotaurs yet.

>>161450954
>pretends not to know what he's talking about
>doesn't pretend not to know what HuFi stands for
Fucking failed. 0/10.

>>161451052
well i recognize the abbreviation from a game that i know, but it isn't a roguelike so it wouldn't be posted about in this thread

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>>161448869
She's not using katana, you illiterate triple nigger.

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>>161450727
Get min delay and some light defense. Luck into auxes, dice boosted weapon, or randarts that at least cross-train. Then just don't play like a retarded tablord. You aren't a minotaur, you can't tab into OOD's like you have a headbutt and chewed Mi gum apts to carry you.

>>161451256
>PCB
>Roguelike
Somebody hasn't played rogue I see. Nice world you got there...

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>>161451256
Absolutely not. You lose. Get out of here.

You guys looking forward to Jupiter Hell?

>>161450727
leave it on auto

>>161452181

get your roguelite out of the premises

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Weaponsmith made a thing like the only thing, besides putting rAcid on some random junk early game.

It seems like it's hard to cover resists with ego items, basically impossible to find enough crafting scrolls to use dragon items, so you might as well just use the artifacts.

I suspect you could make some pretty good launchers by starting with a lothlorien bow or similar, slapping as much extra might (or shots, whichever is better) on there, enchanting it up to +20 and enchanting up seeker arrows to +20 and putting slay evil on them.

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>Reading up to install cbm's
>Check my fail rates
>I guess I'll shove in that 3% fail chance power storage
>The installation fails

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>>161452575
Furyband's Alchemists of Aule are a lot better for autisming all over your equipment. They can put any two egos they've *identified* or deconstructed on any item that will support it, and then enchant both the item and the egos to absurd degrees.

How does one even play a dragon warlock? Killing dragons in PCB seems to be the name of the game.

>>161453973
>power storage
literally doesnt matter, you get billions of them from butchering bionic zombies

>>161454409
It's failing a 3% though. I don't know what I've doen to Sin but the RNG is looking to even the scales

>>161454403
You still do half damage and get a no cost stun, so they'll die eventually.

Maybe your pet damage isn't reduced? Not sure.

>>161454595
It sounds like it'd be a colossal pain in the ass midgame. Main source of XP and loot, gone.

>>161454642
Well, not gone, but significantly more difficult to acquire.

>>161454403
there are very few dragons with teleport resistance so you can do that until very lategame

or charm them, since all warlocks eventually get some spell to charm their pact monsters

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Yay, leprosy

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>>161455536
...
Yeah, this isnt going to work.

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so is genetically stable more or less rMut now

>>161456172
When was it not?

>>161456203
not sure I haven't played in months
as I recall it never gave a pip but acted like it, now the rMut pip seems to be gone altogether

>>161456272
Mutation resistance was an amulet effect which gave 90% resistance to mutations. I believe it may still appear on the Lajatang of Order.
Mutation resistance was and is a mutation which gives 50/66/100% or something like that resistance to mutations (different values for adding/removing iirc).
Mutation resistance was and is a god passive from zin granting up to 100% mutation resistance at 200 piety.

They are all rMut.

>>161456465
thanks for clearing that up I figured the mut itself wasn't as powerful as the rMut amulet

>>161456465
the jesus lajatang and the hat of "literally every resist" both still have rmut but it's now 66% to resist instead of 90

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oh snap

>>161454485
3% chance is still 0.999... time(s) in 33

I hate how tedious crawl becomes after lair branches runes

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>>161458392
>Pipe bomb one zombie grenadier then another by peeking in, chucking it and getting out
>Weird, no hacks popped out of the second
>Examine
>(Active) (1)
>(Active) (1)
>(Active) (3)
>(Active) (1)
>(Active) (1)
Gud day for head and chest protection.

>>161436284
well fed slime or well fed python soul armor is still shit

fuck crawl I'm launching nethack 3.6.0 and going human rogue

>>161459171
just play SLASH'EM EX if you're such a faggot

>>161459687
I don't like badly designed unbalanced bloat, I prefer real and complex roguelikes such as nethack

>>161407013
new level 9 poison spell that instant kills non-resistants and lethally poisons non-immunes
new level 9 translocation spell mass banishment/instant teleport
new level 9 hexes(/poison) spell irresistible mass paralysis
new level 6 conj/poison(/air) spell acid bolt(/cloud)
new level 9 hexes/poison/ice/air spell hydrocarbon cloud, when ignited with a fire attack (can be a rod, spell, immolation, fire-branded weapon) causes irresistible immolation (call it damnation because crawl flavor is dead)