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Last thread: >>161316420
All in all this expansion is looking up to be the LoE of Expansions.
>lower the cost of an already bad card by one
>permanently destroys a mana crystal
did blizzard still think this was a good idea? what the fuck
xth for thicc pandarens
>all these people already crying about jade and planning how to nerf them
Sounds familiar, I sorta remember this happening before. Wonder how that turned out in the end
Daily reminder that Blizzard can't fix their own game.
>>161331000
>MC
>Not Jade
Jade single handedly beats literally every control deck. It's like playing Jaraxxus without dead drawing a 9 cost card that doesn't do anything the turn you play it
>atleast the art is good r..right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A
Fuck it, it's time to go back to playing Binding of Isaac on my dust-collecting Vita during the work commute. They've finally killed the game in favor of f2p aggro players. No fun allowed, thanks Ben Brodenburger. The expansion's practically nerfing itself because of Jade and Devolve.
I'll actually try Shadowverse because of this shit. Anyone has suggestions for fun Android timesinks?
>>161330980
Face decks and fun and interactive combos should work. I don't think midrange shaman will be at disadvantage against jade druid too.
>>161331000
>mysterious challenger of the set
>4/5 draw (1.5 cards on average) for 6
>>161331114
>people were wrong once so everyone is wrong forever
also that card would be broken if beast druid had a decent curve leading up to stranglethron + meangerie. It's like playing Challenger in standard, the card is busted but the support isn't there.
Kabal is gonna be unplayable. Kabal decks are late game oriented but you can't play late game v jade golems.
Are you excited for the jade golem decks v hyper aggro decks meta anons?
>>161331173
it shouldve been a 5/1 like god thats disgusting
Literally every single Blizzard employee involved in suggesting or approving the entire Jade Golem mechanic should be fired.
There were only ever two possibilities for it. Unplayable trash or game breaking, neither of which is a good outcome. It being balanced is never ever going to happen and anyone who thinks it could happen has no business being employed in game design.
Garbage expansion
TGT 2.0
Dust Streets of Gadgetzan
Goons are clubky as fuck
Jade golems force you to run garbage cards
Garbage legos
Priest gets all the good shit and will become new shaman.
I have 13k gold saved and I will waste them all on arenas/heroic tb, actually I WISH i wasted that gold on last heroic TB. And when I will be out of gold, I will finally uninstall this piece of shit and try that pedo weaboo garbage game.
/hsg/ Prediction Poll inbound soon.
I want to make sure we got to see all the cards properly.
For those who don't know how it works, this is what goes down;
Rate each card on a scale of 1-5 (1 - Terrible, 5 - Amazing). After the standard 100+ votes we get, I'll tally up the results and make a pretty image that we can all laugh about in the future.Repost from last thread
>>161331167
Shaman will have overwhelmed them long before their golems become a real threat. Too much value in the early game.
This game is fucking dead. Jadestone: Heroes of Freeze Mage where you tell stories about how you got killed turn 5 by face decks.
Good thing the steam sale is going on.
>Puny shaman summons his 5 mana 10/10 taunt
>Counter with my 3 20/20, 21/21, 22/22 golems
>>161331247
>people were wrong once so everyone is wrong forever
all i'm saying is wait until it's released you fucking retards
>>161331248
Kabal decks are easily the most fun of the gangs.
They seem to be the weakest, though.
I'm ready
>>161331135
yeah counter a 1 mana 7/7 with a 5 mana 4/2
There is no breaks in the jade golem meta train faggot
>>161331276
How much do they pay you or do you do it for free?
>>161331264
shut up magic babb
card draw is not a strong effect.
>>161331292
>4 mana 7/7
>use my 2 mana deal 2 summon a 9/9
>>161331264
it's worse than azure drake in a dragon deck
probably worth including since bookwyrm and sylvanas isn't *too* much competition at 6
>>161331267
Add on the retards who approved devolve and you got my support. The gutted a third of their expansion with a single card. Can't wait to see Grimy Goons entire board get BTFO by a single 2 mana card.
This expansion was a mistake.
Anyway, start posting cards not shown on stream
>>161331429
What is this?
>>161331429
cute
CUTE
>>161331429
>>161331429
A CUTE!!
C
U
T
E
PEOPLE ACTUALLY PREORDED THIS EXPANSION
>>161331123
I don't know too much about Warcraft's universe.
All I know is that Vol'Jin named Sylvanas the leader of the Horde because he was dying and figured her a better option than her others. I do know that Sylvie is VERY popular with her subjects, the Undead love their queen.
That and she's probably a might bit more marketable.
ITT: sleepers of the set
>>161331429
I CAN FIX ANYTHING
>>161331519
WHY
H
Y
>>161331519
broken
>>161331276
>Priest gets all the good shit and will become new shaman.
Did you just forget about jade golems?
>>161331532
shuddup
enh
>>161331429
Goddamnit I hope this doesn't become meta so I don't have to listen to its dying screams.
>>161331519
WHAT THE FUCK?
>>161331380
>jade druid mirror
>he summons 0 mana 7/7 , then brann plus 3/6 taunt plus 8/8 and 9/9
>I play my own jade golem cards for 10/10, 11/11, 12/12 and a 2/3
>he kills me with his board presence
hope you all enjoyed my fun story about interaction and minion based combat :<)
>>161331519
I raged a bit but considering they could get a 1/1 I'm almost ok with this
>>161331248
Anything control orientated are going to take Green Jade Cock up their arse.
So decks have to go faster again to counter it.
>>161331519
Rogues got a Magma Rager has a card. Hahaha
>>161331612
Best pic of the set
>>161331429
They're still stealing oc
>>161331114
They won't be unbeatable, but they completely destroy fun decks and control that some of us play to break up the monotony of netdecking. Like absolutely makes them completely unplayable. Every deck that wants to play the game past turn 10 is completely unviable now, even if you have Reno for self heal, which is fucking IDIOTIC, because they try to push Reno with at least 3 legendaries in this patch.
Even Grimy Goons get shat on by Devolve, as if they were at all that strong to begin with (they really weren't). So that just leaves Jade classes uncontested, save for the usual aggro shitfuckery.
Until now, I could go in casual and play my Control Mage or Control Priest to actually have fun. Now, I can't even do that. Now, there's literally no reason to even craft a deck instead of waiting to snatch the first good one off of Hearthpwn.
Blizzard encourages and balances around autopilot netdeckers. It's time to uninstall and let you faggots enjoy your braindead bullshit meta, I guess. Thanks for pushing entire archetypes and playstyles out of the meta with your faggotry.
Story of my fucking life, right here, can't even remotely get anything I want, it's always what other, retarded people want, cause it's easier to cater to them.
AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
>Blade Flurry died for this
enjoy your Mean Streets of Jade Golems. This game is fuckin dead
>>161331173
you already have the average worked out? You have the optimal decklist for whatever deck this goes into, and on average it pulls "1.5"?
It's really good you retard. And It's comically easy to see that. A 4/5 taunt draw one is already good, because it's 0/1 larger than azure and has taunt. And that is the worst that could happen, period. In a dragon deck with a similar dragon density to what we have now (and this is adjustable) this can easily draw two cards. Literally all it needs to be ridiculously good is two draw two cards. A good amount of the time it will draw more than two, even. It's good enough to build your deck around, and guess what? You don't need to. Dragon Priest needs to tweak virtually nothing to run a card that says draw 1-3 summon a 4/5 with taunt for 6.
>>161331071
>next expansion
>10 mana 10/5 charge
>costs (1) less for each destroyed mana crystal and discarded card
>>161331519
EVOLVE TWICE FOR FREE
FREE
R
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Oh my fuck. This literally looks like /hsg/ OC.
>>161331612
>two cards that deal 4 damage to all minions for 3 mana
It's shit.
Jade golems are boring as fuck, what's interesting about summoning a vanilla body with every card you play?
I was hoping they wouldn't dominate but they look insane right now.
>>161331427
I really like how mass handbuff cards tell your opponent exactly how many minions you have in hand on a given turn.
Blizzard really worked hard on making a weak mechanic even weaker in case somebody gets a 60g paladin quest and doesn't have cards for wild.
>>161331708
TRIGGERED
>>161331675
jesus christ
>>161331708
If this is real I'm going to shit myself.
We literally discussed this last night.
>>161331675
Jesus Christ and I thought Forbidden Healing was strong
>>161331708
NO WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY
>>161331565
Shouldn't undead have some kind of stigma among the livings?Nevermind, that second argument convinced me
Time for memes
I like card disruption mechanics
>>161331708
>not the best rogue card in the set
>>161331429
alleycute/10
>>161331519
cool but bad
>>161331574
maybe pretty good for pirate warrior
>>161331612
flamestrike with ghoul? I dunno if it finds a spot though
>>161331675
finally gave priest a heal card, but probably doesn't get played
>friendly
so no auchenai pyroblast
>>161331708
what
>>161331713
fucking trash
>>161331734
I fucking guess it's almost a burn counter, but no
>>161331708
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKK
>>161331734
so bad it can't possibly be real
>>161331708
Tell me this is fake
>>161331734
I fucking can't
>>161331708
Why even bother
>>161331734
Better Mogor? Oh wait is a 9/5/4
>>161331734
That looks likeFUN.
>>161331734
>>161331708
Woah so this is the design talent of a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
Holy crap. We fucked up lads by having faith in this, uninstall and go back to paper card games. Digital card games were a mistake and yes this includes weebverse.
>>161331734
>freeze mage pyroblasts own face.jpg
>>161331816
That is a pretty funny card.
Shame it can't be used outside of meme decks.
>>161331708
I CAN`T STOP LAUGHING
HOLY SHIT
>>161331276
>Jade golems force you to run garbage cards
such as?
>>161331734
>play vs freeze
>they concede
>>161331734
there is NO way this is a real card
>>161331708
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK
A CLASS MEME CARD
FUCKIGN
JESHS CHRAST
BLIZZAAAAAAAAAAARDproofs? is this on facebook?
>>161331734
The Trolden videos record themselves
>>161331708
HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
>>161331881
At least, Shadowverse hasn't gone to the point to reprint cards, Hearthbaby.
How Priestly.
>>161331708
>ROGUE
>SINKING TIERS
>GETS THE WORST CLASS CARDS OUT THERE
>>161331708
get fucked rogues
>>161331734
ALL TARGETS
>>161331734
are you literally telling me that every game is gonna be decided by a fucking coin flip now?
>>161331971
yes it is, can check for yourself
>>161331971
Its real
facebook com slash pg/Hearthstone/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1257814800927952
>>161332036
WAIT WHAT
A SILENCE THAT IS NOT SHIT?
>>161332036
Doesn't draw a card
0/10 would not play
>>161331948
>play vs freeze
>ever
Interesting. Prevents use in zoo unless they feel like taking 15 damage
>>161332036
That's actually stated decent enough to be used.
Also Purify deck is gonna be sweet now!
>>161331708
>>161331708
WHY?
>>161331734
There is probably some word for tfw you laughing uncontrollably while crying inside. Hysteria?
>>161331708
>>161331675
great
>>161331708
REPRINT WORST CARD FOR ROGUE
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS UP
Post yfw warlock didn't get a playable legendary for 3 expantions now
>>161331708
At least it may be useful with stealthWho am I kidding
>>161332108
>Blizzard thinks a 3 mana 5/5 is good
>>161332108
>woah an actual balance and interesting card that could be playable in non-meme deck
>>161331734
>Randomly
>>161332209
Rogue just got a fucking rager as a class card and a worse version of a 2 mana card as their lego. I don't think warlocks are allowed to bitch right now
Time for Zoo
>>161331816
Play 2 and disrupt reno decks.
They draw this card and see this smug asshole's face.
>>161332217
Thing From Below is pretty good even for 3 mana.
I was just joking when I made this OC last night, why Blizzard? Why would you do this?
>>161332108
Pretty good for aggro demonlock
>>161332108
>summon
does this otk yourself with krul?
>>161332108
A cool card, but i dont know if a deck for it exists or will exist
JADESTONE
>>161332272
>taking 20 damage next turn
seems good.
i can't believe this is allowed
>ROGUE
>LITERALLY
>GOT
>MAGMA RAGER
>>161332272
>zoo
so you either take 20 damage turn 4 if your opponent leaves it up, or tap pass? Doubtful
>>161332275
>>161331816
nice to see zeriyah finally got a card
>>161331708
>blade flurry died for this
>>161332287
I saw that shit. Oh my fuck did rogue ever get cucked this expansion. This is almost purify tier bad.
I'm think I'm out. It was a good run but I'm out.
>>161332293
>2 mana draw 1
LOOK, WE GOT A THING TO COUNTER THE MEME ROGUERI AM DYING HOLD ME
>>161332293
>Rogue gets a discover card that finds deathrattles (and most deathrattles are really good) without overload and it's barely played.
Blizz thinks this piece of shit will be?
>>161332279
Yes, because it doesn't kill you by itself. This card either kills you or makes you miss good plays.
>>161332362
Haha, well played
>>161331708
Purify taught them nothing
>>161331708
I'VE BECOME SO NUMB
>>161331734
So wait.. does the card effect the rest of the game? Or only while it is in play?
>>161332362
posting thumbnails shouldn't be allowed
>>161332435
But it can discover more
FOUR
MANA
SEVEN
SEVEN
The tiers will be:
-Tier 1 Jade Decks dominate Tier 3(+) and have a chance against Tier 2.
-Jade Decks countered by tier 3 Hyper-Aggro
-Hyper-Aggro contested by Tier 3 Grimy Goons / Dragon Priest
-Tier 4 and up is more dead than ever.
So much for "we want to encourage variety", Blizzard, well done.
>>161331708
CAN'T WAKE UP
>>161332428
Holy fuck
Rogue Rager on suicide watch
>>161332108
Pretty good in a slower Warlock deck to be honest, not just for the obvious playing one minion a turn at most reason compared to Zoo spamming out shit, but also because you're using a lot of spells too. Even so I'm not sure a vanilla 5/5 is good enough to see play outside of Reno variants though, maybe not even in those. And if you don't have good spells to cast next turn(s), it could just be a liability against aggro anyway.
>>161331734
>all targets
so if I target with a minion is it random? Attacking and battlecries? What the fuck?
This is /hsg/ tier OC because it leaves so many fucking unexplained questions and is vague as shit.
>>161332428
Would have been nice to have this card like 6 metas ago when miracle rouge was dominating, but even then 5 mana is still too much.
>>161331734
>>161331708
I'm done. These guys don't know what the hell they're doing.
>>161332428
>Beast decks were too strong so we made Hemet to counter them
>Stealth decks were too strong so we made Investigator to counter them
>>161332578
ALL MINIONSIt´s everything that can be targeted.
>>161332428
SHADOW RAGER ON SUICIDE WATCH
Really makes you wonder.
>>161332428
>>161331816
Cant wait to put this card for the sole purpose of countering 1 deck
This worked so well last time with Kezan mystic/Flare/Secret eater
Priest 4 mana 12 heal
5 mana 5/5 with silence
Warrior 2 mana 0/7 TAUNT (wtf)
Fucking Wrathion draw unlimited cards unless you're playing a dragon deck.
>Rogues are sneaky cutthroats who break the law and act shady to get what they want
>Mean Streets of Gadgetzan is themed around gangs
>Rogue cards are shit
>>161332428
>literally hardcounter to the rogue deck their pushing
go fuck yourself blizzard never playing your shitty as game again what the fuck did Valeera ever do to you?
>>161332701
I will break this
>>161332428
I'm gonna fucking run this shit with rogue rager just to JUST myself FUCKING KILL ME
>>161332719
>Fucking Wrathion draw unlimited cards unless you're playing a dragon deck.
Can you read?
>>161332108
From the wording I hope cards that summon multiple minions trigger it only once - Warlock already had too big a lead in the suicide-race meme decks category.
>Kazakus doesnt actually become a dragon like in the teasers
AHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA
FUCK
>>161332719
Read Wrathion again, you stop drawing cards when its not a dragon.
Guys, /svg/ is making fun of us again. Fight back!
>>161332719
what are you talking about
WE SHADOW RAGER NOW
>>161331708
Mein sides
>>161331734
>4 health
>>161332701
this one is very good. you can't attack the turn you summon it so it doesn't matter anyways. If the enemy doesn't kill it they're in for a bad turn.
think rockbiters and windfury with this nigga
who else /readytouninstall/ here?
this expansion sucks dicks
>>161332362
fuck off
>>161332764
calm down son
>>161332428
>all those shitty rogue cards with stealth are even worse now.
>>161332747
>5 mana to remove stealth
>counter
this is what the retards at /hsg/ truly believe
>>161331708
>It's real
Is... Is this actually happening ? Did they seriously just fucking print this ?
PURIFY WAS FUCKING BETTER. PURIFY
>epic
I mean I guess it can grow quickly, the paladin 1/1 that buffs your whole hand this this guy twice
>>161332719
How do you function in day to day life? When you see a stop sign, do you keep going because to you it says DON'T Stop?
>>161332823
B-but he can be buffed with goon cards
XD
>>161332840
>Implying /hsg/ plays the game
>>161332719
With the hand buffing effects, minions weighted toward health are much better targets.
>>161332848
no they aren't because that card is useless
>>161331816
BECAUSE JADE TOTALLY DOESN'T ALREADY SHIT ON CONTROL DECKS, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
KILL ME RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY, PLEASE!
>>161332815
Doesn't anyone proof read these texts and try to keep some semblance of uniformity? Does this affect demons in my hand,board, deck, or all 3?
I saved a bunch of gold for this, but honestly dont see any cards I want.
>Craft Yogg when release came for a laugh
>Dust him when he was nerfed to get 1600 dust back
>Now he's back again
>>161332870
I mean, no it wasn't anon. But at least Purify came with a plan. A shitty card for a shitty plan but it had synergy, it was a tech card, it was original.
This is just a generic minion incorporating the shittiest meme statline in the game and one of the least interesting or build-enabling keywords around combining into a total shitty minion.Besides, it's actually ok in arena
>>161332428
they have to know
they just have to
>>161332840
right behind you
>>161333013
Embrace him.
>>161333013
wait till he gets nerfed again
>>161332896
Yea, similar to how I react to your mother saying "stop raping me", but I don't.
I didn't read Wrathion carefully, now it makes sense that it will be a must in dragon priest.
>>161332859
it's a shit deck anyway but were it not this is in place to make sure it's never actually good, which is fucking retarded
>Meme Streets of Dustazan
Anyone wanna buy a hearthstone account with every card? I think this is it.
>>161333013
>Trying to avoid the God of Death
>>161332719
well now priest can counter freeze mage by healing and rogue by killing stealth minion with aoe
>>161331708
B-But guys! You can play it on turn 3 and then buff it on turn 4! :^)
>>161332108
I think this is a really strong card against aggro/midrange. Actually an interesting and good card for warlock.
>>161333160
what the fuck, why, this is so excessive and pointless
>>161333131
>every card
Why do you even play if you have everything unlocked and the game is still shit?
>>161333027
No fuck you, purify actually is better, because it does SOMETHING for you. A fucking stealthed rager just gets blown out the water by the first random damage/aoe to fly around, and it's three fucking mana.
The fucking balls of these assholes, they really do believe people will lap up any shit they throw at them.
>>161331816
Actually kind of strong in beast decks and grimy goons decks. 1 mana 3/3 or 4/4, deathrattle shuffle a useless 1/1 in the opponent's deck?
>>161333201
>Aggro/Midrange
>Follow ze rules!
>>161333086
Easy there Ahmed. I know rape is something to be proud of in your country but over here it's a very serious crime.
Your writing isn't so bad for someone who's only reading skills came from studying the Quran though
>>161331713
>6 MANA 9/9
DAYUM NIGGA
>>161331519
>tfw enemy gets Sylvanas, Cairen or Emperor from that and I get the 6 mana 1/1
Atleast warlock is getting some decent shit. Im really fucking pissed about rogue tho.
>>161333169
See I actually like that combo with shit like preps and Cold Bloods.
>>161333160
>well played
>woosh pew woosh pew woosh pew woosh pew woosh pew woosh pew woosh pew woosh pew
>WOOSH PEW WOOSH PEW WOOSH PEW
rogue players are so entitled
>>161333160
that little nigga should have no arms if he wants to be a fucking 0/7
anyone wanna buy a battle net account with 9/9 golden heroes? It has legion/starcraft 1+2//diablo+ros. I just wanna get rid of it at this point i can sell it cheaply
>>161333160
>3/3 Spirit claws
>>161333270
I actually thought the effect is calid for both players. Not interesting anymore.
>>161333283
>6 mana 9/9
>1 mana 15/15
>>161331708
>some anon actually joked about this after the retarded weaker brewmaster was shown
>it's true
>>161333390
how much? And what server? Eu?
>>161331708
>it's actually real
LOL
>>161332428
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>161333160
Oh I get it, it's to make this card shitty, haha.
>>161333160
YES! THE FINAL PIECE TO MY ULTIMATE INNER FIRE VELEN OTK DECK!
>>161333446
Magma Rager synergy
>>161333116
if it were good this would do next to nothing to "counter" it
>execute was nerfed for this
is there any control deck that can stand up to jade golems?
>>161333446
claimed
BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE
>>161333446
would fuck but would not play
>>161331279
Post the ones you did for past expansion, so we can see how bad people are at predicting the cards power level
>>161331816
>anti-highlander tech
>if you managed to draw both and get them killed
It's cute, but shit.
>>161333446
It's really odd that it can trigger off of itself.
apology for poor english
when were you when control dies?
i was sat at home playing arena when stream start
‘control is kill’
‘no’
and you???????????
>>161331708
>>161332428
>>161333530
THINK
OF
THE
STORIES
>>161332108
Ya'll really still think any cost is too high for tempo in this game?
This thing is going to trade up and there will be no drawback. Even if they decide to take 10 damage, this thing is insane.
>>161333530
>yfw Freeze Mage LITERALLY becomes incapable of doing anything
I am now absolutely certain that rogue was originally going to be part of the Grimy Goons, and got switched last minute. It's the only way to explain these shitty buff cards, the seemingly tacked on jade cards, and the heavily understatted minions.
>>161333504
literally a powercreep grand crusader
>Both shaman and druid get three jade generator cards. Rouge only gets two.
Really makes you ponder.
>>161333504
>add a random demon to your hand
is this from your deck or just any fucking demon?
>>161333447
EU. Obviously im not gonna charge for the other games but im torn. i wouldnt go below 100 because it has a lot on it
>>161332108
>3 mana 5/5
>infinitely worse drawback compared to 477
Seriously?
>>161332108
>Leave the card alive because 5 damage isn't that much
>Can't play minions, and the card isn't good enough to get rid of many of them
>Most worthy 4 drops have 5 attack anyway.
FUCK OFF
I WAS EXCITED FOR THIS TOO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>jade druid
>draw my whole deck
>play cheaper spells for 6/6 7/7 bodies
>don't get punished for control decks or fatigue
HOW THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS OK
I'm 100 wins away from golden warrior. What do I play now that they fucked control Face-Pirate?
>>161333732
someone above shieldbearer rank probably
>>161333564
I was about to go do laundry, and instead I watched stream. Now my control is kill. Laundry wasn't done. Mondays...
>>161333710
aya is the tri class legendary, shaman and druid also got an extra class jade card.
>>161333695
Another piece of shit, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
>>161333695
>build deck around this
>spend 9 mana, dump 6 cards
>*ding ding*
>voidwalker wins
meh
>>161333640
any demon, on stream it gave void crusher
>priest is shit, but gets to be good
>gets shat on by Jade golem decks
>paladin is shit and gets a shit mechanic
>gets shat on by Devolve and the hand highlight in case someobdy wanted to play it
>rogue is shit and gets Shadow Rager
>a neutral anti-stealth card is printed the same set just in case
>an all-random neutral card is printed
You absolutely can't make this shit up.
This whole thing is a multi-million dollar experiment in deliberately bad game design.
>>161333751
Shadowverse
So how am I supposed to beat Jade Druid or Rogue with any other control deck?
They've memed too hard. This is a genuinely decent card.
>>161332521
Only when in play.
>>161333446
This actually MIGHT see play in Jade Golem Druid considering how easily that deck will be able to pull out cheap and big minions.
That said I don't think there will be room for it when everyone will want to stuff the deck with as many cards that actually summon Jade Golems as possible.
It's legitimately a good card, it's just not an obscenely broken card or a card that summons Jade Golems so future constructed meta decks couldn't really care less about it.
>>161333616
Explain why Pit Lord has literally never seen play then, even as far back as when Yeti was considered constructed viable
>>161333892
>jungle panther that dies to ghoul, maelstrom, flame juggler
sorry anon
>>161333892
I concur. When Flamewaker rotates out, it'll start running wild.
Consider the following: Jade Dragon Druid with Wrathion for card draw to reach the infinite jade blossom cycle quickly.
>>161333881
You don't. Concede and save 20 minutes of your life.
>>161333892
Posting feet if I ever see this shit played in a tournament.
>>161333892
FINALLY, SOMETHING TO COMBO WITH MY FERRYMAN!
>>161333160
Why play this over lets say Thalnos or Evolved Kobold?
Hobart warrior legendary + 2x gorehowl
Heh, I greet you.
>>161333892
>Jungle Panther isn't played
>Meme Rager will be, when it dies to any AoE
what did they mean by this
>>161334018
Inner Fire
>>161333892
It's worse than Jungle Panther. Jungle Panther sees no play.
i like this one.
>>161334018
I think noone will waste a removal on +1 spell damage token, so it sticks.
>>161331000
This thing might make dragon decks survive even after rotation
Probably not though they'll need some more to make up for what they lose
>>161334079
It's going to die to Swipe
targetting a different minion
>>161334018
it was designed to fuck the demon archetype
it's also the first non token demon neutral
basically to fuck warlock only unique mechanic besides DESTROY YOU MANA CRYSTALS
>>161334018
Only in decks that really care about the spell power.
7 health means the thing will probably be around for a while so if you actually need that +1 spellpower to last for at least one turn it's a good bet (especially since no sane person would waste hard removal on it since it has no attack).
Basically, it sticks, it has spell power, might be included in some meme decks.
>>161333881
dumb cucktrol poster
>>161334162
Illidan is a non-token demon neutral. So is Prince Malchazar.
J A D E R O G U E
You have 3 minutes to design a magma rager for every class using their class specific gimmicks.
>>161331000
Blizzard uses such low res images that I literally couldn't tell if this was OC or a card that Team 5 was responsible for.
>>161333564
>One card/archetype killed control.
Time to Rev up those Aggro decks I guess.
>>161334127
Seems like next expansion would be a good time to do a caverns of time themed adventure, considering.
>>161334018
It only exists to fuck over warlocks and nothing else since they have "summon random demon" on a couple of cards
THINK OF THE SHARP SPORK SYNERGY!!!
>>161332062
>now
When do we do the predictions poll? Can we do it now?
>>161334110
I wonder if it's random, cause if not, 24 heal + 2 ancient healbots + 2 alchemists + 2 flash heal is cancer.
>>161334080
Twisted worgen was at least played for its synergy with that paladin divine shield lady.
Rogue memer is just a bad card.
Rogue at all didn't get anything worth mentioning this expansion. He can't even abuse shadowsteps andbad brewmasterto produce more golems, because his minions get it only on deathrattle.
>>161333892
>Blizzard said the entire point of Magma Rager was to teach new players that skewed stat cards are bad
>This is a skewed stat version of a fucking neutral
BLIZARD!!!!!!!!!!!
>Rogues ONLY good card this expansion was the FUCKING COIN
>>161333136
Healing does not counter freeze mage. Freeze just holds burn for an OTK.
>>161334297
If it was random, it'd say random.
>>161334110
>two of these and a cabal+one tick from Emperor Thaurissan the turn before
>24 damage burst
>>161334080
They meant "Fuck Rogue, it sucks and we should just delete that whore Valeera from the game"
Then due to their own incompetence Team 5 forgot how to remove her code from the game and decided to just drown it in bad cards, then again due to their incompetence they accidentally gave Rogue Jade Golems not realizing that they were completely broken and would make the class playable for all the wrong reasons.
Basically they hate Rogue but are too incompetent to remove the class from the game effectively.
>>161334295
rip bladeflurry
rip oil
rip fun
rip game
>>161331816
WILDEST MEMES
baron ripplesides + this and feign death
>>161334247
Totem Rager
>3 mana 5/1 totem
Beast Rager
>3 mana 5/1 beast
Did anyone mention free packs for the expansion ?
>>161334380
i know it's hard for a dumb /hsg/bearer to understand why 1 card can break the game but you're just wrong
>>161334409
Did you read the card?
>>161334409
>friendly
>>161334409
>Restore 12 health to a FRIENDLY character
>a FRIENDLY character
>FRIENDLY
>>161334409
>Friendly
Nope fag. Unless you mean 24 burst damage to your own face.
>>161331708
I'm glad they didn't make it a 5/2, we wouldn't want any power creep on Jungle Panther. I mean, who's ever heard of class cards being stronger the neutral cards, ESPECIALLY neutral cards that see basically no play?
>>161334409
>Friendly
But if you want to burst yourself, it works I guess.
>>161334247
Overload Rager
10/1
0 mana overload (1)
>>161334247
priest 1/5 charge
rogue 5/1 combo:stealth
warrior 5/1 taunt
shaman 12/8 overload 2 0 mana
druid 5/1 give you empty mana crystal
paladin 5/1 divine shield
mage 5/1 add a random mage spell to your hand
warlock 5/1 discard your deck
hunter 5/1 charge beast
>>161334409
>>161334297
>Friendly
>>161334409
>reading comprehension
LITERALLY THE ONLY PLAYABLE NEW ROGUE CARD
A FUCKING COIN
BRAVO
R
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>>161334247
>Druid
3-mana 1/1
Choose one: 5/1 or 1/5 minion
>Shaman
Lightning Rager
3-mana 5/5
Overload (3)
>Warrior
Steel Rager
3-mana 1/5
Taunt, Deathrattle: Add armor equal to this minion's attack.
Give me a moment.
>>161334409
>to a friendly character
>>161334247
>>161334484
tomb pillager is literally better in every way, you're a dumbass if you think the coin is going to break the game and make miracle good
>>161334553
>shaman 12/8 overload 2 0 mana
Needs to have a totem tag
Real talk, /hsg/, I'm serious here. Is this rock bottom? A handful of Gadgetzan cards literally shut down the rest of the very same set. They can only make better expansions after this, right?
>Grimy Goons nerfed out of meta by the very expansion they're printed in.
>Control, anti-meta and experimental decks are completely unviable in constructed altogether.
>Reno is not only going out of rotation, they're completely countered out of viability by Gadgetzan - but they STILL print 3 dead-in-the-water Legendaries to support the killed off archetype.
>Devolve allows shamans to effortlessly counter three archetypes; Deathrattles(N'Zoth), Tribes and Buffs - so Dragon Priest is buffed AND nerfed in the same expansion, really.
>Miracle Rogue is also countered by Devolve, but I list it separate, because they literally printed a "remove stealth" card.
So to recap:
- Control / fun / theorycrafting completely removed from viability.
- Deathrattle / Miracle / Tribes / Buffs are Tier 3 at best.
- In return for losing 7 archetypes, we get back 1 archetype via Jade decks.
Team 5, everyone. Good night, see ya Friday!
>>161332108
does it trigger off itself?
>>161331708
>we all laughed at the joke OC the anon made last night of exactly this
CANT WAKE UP
>>161334247
Priest: Whenever this minion attacks and survive fully heal it
Shaman: Gain +1/+2 Overload (1)
Druid: Summon a Jade Golem
Warrior: Whenever this attacks gain Armor equal to the damage dealth
>Romeme >Stealth
Paladin: Gain divine shield when attacking
Warlock: +2/+3 Destroy a Mana Crystal
Hunter: Always attacks face
Mage: Put a random spell into your hand
Move over Nightbane Templar, new waifu on the block
>>161334489
>>161334515
>>161334520
>>161334523
>>161334528
>>161334550
>>161334565
>>161334578
>>161334618
Alright, sheesh. I made a mistake. Blow me.
>>161334538
Jungle Panther vs Shadow Rager
>Better distributed stat-line
>Beast tag
>Can go in decks for classes that are actually aggressive as fuck
It's just better all around. Only niche Rager use is trading with a Yeti in arena.
>>161334279
>rogue
>weapons
wew
>>161334648
this
if you think tomb pillager is worse (4 mana 5/4 that LITERALLY DRAWS THE COIN, THIS 'GAMEBREAKING' CARD, THE EXACT SAME CARD) then you're a shieldbearer
>>161334247
Warrior - Armor Rager: 3 5/1 BC: Give your Hero 2 Armor.
Hunter - Primal Rager: 3 5/1 BC: Inflict 2 damage to the enemy Hero. BEAST
Shaman - Wind Rager 3 5/1 Windfury
Paladin - Divine Rager 3 5/1 Divine Shield
Priest - Holy Rager 3 5/1 BC: Restore 2 Health.
Mage - Arcane Rager 3 5/1 Spell Damage +1
Warlock - Demon Rager 3 6/1 DEMON
Druid - 3 Wild Rager 5/1 Choose One: +1 Attack or +1 Health.
>>161334718
no you're an idiot and should be publicly shamed
>>161334409
>Add opponent as a friend during the match
>Burst him down with a sick 24 damage
>Unfriend him
WOW
>>161334737
It is, but it's leaving in 2 months isn't it?
>>161334247
>Shaman
Thunder Rager
1 mana, 5/1, (2) Overload.
>Paladin
Divine Rager
3 mana, 5/1, Divine Shield.
>Priest
Light Rager
3 mana, 5/1, Deathrattle: Restore 2 health to all friendly characters.
>Hunter
Beast Rager
3 mana, 5/1, Beast tag.
>Mage
Spell Rager
3 mana, 5/1, Spell Damage +1.
>Warrior
War Rager
3 mana, 5/1, Enrage: Gain +5 Attack.
>Druid
Nature's Rager
3 mana, 5/1, Battlecry: Gain an empty mana crystal.
>Warlock
Demon Rager
3 mana, 5/1 Charge. Battlecry: Discard a random card from your hand. Demon tag.
>20% good cards
>10% interesting cards
>rest is pretty bad
Why do they keep making meme card and/or cards that are so horrible that they will never see play? (for example Major Noggenfogger, Weasel Tunneler etc.)
Don't they have internal testers for that?
>>161334648
run both, retard
>>161334713
It's like Blizzard knows their teasing us by making all of the waifu cards unplayable in constructed.
>>161334676
Can someone quote this holy shit?
can someone explain to me why the jade golem mechanic isn't weak as shit? i literally don't understand what people are so buttblasted about
>>161334247
>Mage
Arcane Rager
3-mana 1/1
Deal five random damage to random enemies (5 arcane missiles)
>Paladin
Justice Rager
3-mana 5/1
Divine Shield
>Priest
Holy Rager
3-mana 5/1
Silence any minion this minion attacks
>>161334718
Fuck off retard.
>>161334802
Noggenfogger can actually be funny, but is bad enough it will not get old after 2 weeks like Yogg did.
> Mayor Noggenfogger
Holy shit. Literally lose what control you have left in this clown fiesta. I'm out. Done playing this RNG simulator.
Play ESL, Shadowverse, Faeria, Duelyst, Spellweaver, Hex, Eternal, or fucking anything else. I beg you anons, please move on. You can't let Blizzard keep treating you guys like this. It hurts to see my fellow cardgame players subjected to such a level of retardation.
I know this card isn't at all playable, especially with that mana cost. But that's not the point. It's the design philosphy behind the card that is terrible. Come on, it's almost insulting to the player's intelligence.
Rogues actually got a Magma Rager! As a call card! This shit was a meme OC a few days ago! You're beyond saving if after all this bullshit you still defend Hearthstone.
Team 5 will never change. The only way to end this nightmare is to stop being a good goy and giving them your sheckels. Please anons, I know that if we band together, we can deny them food and shelter.
>>161334802
>Don't they have internal testers for that?
>>161334797
yes, it leaves with next expansion
my only real point is that even this card will very very likely see play, it's still worse than tomb, so by no means gamebreaking
>>161332885
wew lads. This shit right here.
>>161331734
>this bullshit
>no noggenfogger elixir
Disappointment
>>161334785
>>161334850
Blow me
>>161331708
We tested this and it was really fun but with 2 health it really reduced the design space for rogues. After considering it we're removing it from arena
>>161332829
>this one is very good. you can't attack the turn you summon it so it doesn't matter anyways. If the enemy doesn't kill it they're in for a bad turn.
>>161334867
fuck you the card looks fun and it will obviously only be played in fun decks
>>161334672
You know Reno is not rotating out until March right? when at the same time the next adventure come
WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE A CARD YET WITH THIS :
BATTLECRY : GIVE ALL ENEMY MINIONS STEALTH
THEN A SPELL WHICH KILLS ALL STEALTHED MINIONS
ALSO BROXXIGAR THE BEST ORC WHICH SINGLE HANDEDLY ANAL DESTROYED THE LEGION AND MAANGED TO HURT SARGERAS THE STROGNEST BEING IN THE WOW UNIVERSE WHEN ?
Currently collecting screencaps of people calling the next boom/MC/yogg/spirit claws bad, please voice your opinion regarding this card
>>161334796
>>161334824
They're only testing your devotion to your waifu
You must run her anyway
>>161332032
They just steal cards from Magic, like all the other card games out there.
>>161334867
It's a 9 mana with 4 health.
Even if you can find value from his card text, there's no fucking way it will even survive a turn. You can use it to bypass a taunt on the same turn. That's it's only fucking use, and it's absolutely inconsistent and shit even at that.
>>161331708
so, how good is shadowverse?
>>161334247
>Warrior
Rage Rager
3/2
Battlecry: Deal 1 damage to itself
Enrage: +2 Attack
>>161334921
>We made the card worse because playtesters were trying to WIN with it
>>161334247
Huffer Rager: 3/4/1 stealth, always attacks face
Holy Rager: 2/1/5, end of turn heal a character for 2
Lightning Rager: 1/0/0, gain +1+1 for every mana crystal overloaded this game
Identity Rager: 2/1/5, end of turn heal a character for 2
Rage Rager: 2/5/1, enrage: +5 attack
Paveling Rager: 5/1/1 turn the enemy with highest combined stats into a sheep
Mmrrggll Rager: 4/1/1: Equip a 1/4 weapon, summon two 1/1 murrlocs
Meen the Unraged: 4/2/6: from now on all your cards which cost mana cost health instead
Tree Rager: 1/1/1: Choose one: +3 attack; or +3 health. Summon a Jade Golem
>>161334934
>dies to minions and silence for free
gee i wonder why this garbage never got played
>Noggenfogger lives for one turn
>Embrace the shadow
>Greater Healing
>Greater Healing
>Flash Heal
>Flash Heal
Wow...
>>161334802
Weasel tunneler is to fuck with renodecks
>>161334965
>Sand niggers with magic
Pls no, nigga looks like he's about to force us into Sharia Law
>>161334965
At worst its 6 mana 4/5 draw a card w/ taunt. So a bit worse than Azure i'd say. In dragon deck can realistically be draw 2, so amazing. A solid roleplayer in dragon decks i'd say.
THE NEW CARDS ARE SO BAD! WHO THE FUCK IS DESIGNING THIS SHIT and have they ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME PAST RANK FUCKING 20?
>>161334824
But I already run Nightbane Templar on my dragon paladin list since I can't afford of the must-haves so she's nice.
Best waifus come with you to work and aren't just stay-at-collection gals.
>>161334965
He isn't even comparable to boom or MC because he has very little board presence. Those were both insanely good tempo cards, this is a value card.
He'll probably see play in every dragon deck, and maybe even a few non-dragon decks, but he's far from broken.
>>161334961
Yes, that's what I meant. It's still retarded to print cards based around a card that will be going in 4 months, when the set is here to stay for 2 fucking years.
I really like this set. The only thing is that I want classic set to be rotated out.
>>161334965
what's the average amount of dragons played in a dragon deck, and what's the average amount you can get away with if you're using wrathion? even priest has its removal and non-dragons such as wrathion himself in the deck, but if he really is that good then could decks be pushed into using 20+ dragons? should be good in wild
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NEW WEAPON FOR ROGUE?!
Where is it? Every other weapon class got a new weapon. What about Rogue?
You got rid of Blade Flurry, so you could design cool new weapons for Rogue.
WELL WHERE THE FUCK IS IT?
>>161334965
>No Dragon form.
Low energy
>>161334279
I don't get why they're making cards like that. I was writing a five-hundred word post but I just deleted it because there's literally no method of getting a 3-attack weapon that has seen play since oil rogue rotated out.
Deadly Fork sees no play.
Assassin's Blade sees no play.
Perdition's Blade sees no play.
Poisoned Blade sees no play.
Deadly Poison sees no play.
Buccaneer sees no play.
Southsea Squidface sees no play.
Spiteful Squidface sees no play.
Captain Greenskin sees no play.
This card will not make any of those cards see play.
Rest in peace, Tinker's Sharpsword Oil.
>>161335061
Pretty good.
>>161335187
>Still no "Lost Tourist" card using that art
For shame Team 5
>giving your weapons +1 attack
>worth more than jack shit
+1 durability and it could've actually been interesting
>>161335024
>Noggenfogger gets played
>Good thing I have these fireballs to remove it!
>And this 4 attack minion on board!
>That all have 3 or 4 possible targets!
>Sweating intensifies
>>161335076
>Identity rager
>>161334965
Singlehandedly makes Jade Dragon Druid a thing. Helps fix Druid's card draw problems, letting you start ramping jade golems much faster.
>>161334279
>Buccaneer
>Isnt a pirate because it can have decent stats
Thats pissing me off more then the rager somehow. At least the rager is a common meme we can laugh at together.
>>161335024
I know the card is shit. Everybody does. Instead of designing an interesting or even playable card, we get this shit. Hearthstone expansions are already small enough as it is. Why 9 mana: All your cards effects read "random a random random"? At the very least, if this card was for fun, it could be cheaper. Who the hell would spend their entire turn playing a 9 mana 5/4 even in the Memeiest of decks?
>>161334965
If could be good if it was a dragon himself.
>>161334820
Hey you fucking moron, I'm saying that if Tomb Pillager hasn't come close to breaking the game yet being better than the coin, I fucking doubt the coin is going to break the game.
>>161335238
>deadly poison only semi-usable option
>can't even use weapons without killing yourself
well done benjamin brode
>>161335193
>Rogue
>Weapons
Missed the memo? It's all about stealing now, aka being a priest without healing.
>>161335163
>>161335265
>reading comprehension
I'm not directly comparing it to boom or mc, you couldn't find the common denominator in all the examples? My point is it's the next big overlooked card value wise. It fits right into the future top meta deck as well.
>>161334965
Dragon decks were even running curator sometimes, so this will definitely see play.
Not the next Dr. whatever number because not enough of a tempo swing and can't be combo'd with the best dragon activated card (Blackwing Corruptor). But it's a great refill for dragon decks which would typically start running out of fuel around then. Even if it draws you one, it's one less non-dragon card in your deck.
>>161335318
I Imagined her more waifu in the books.
>>161334824
BRUH JUST PUT HER IN MILL ROGUE OR MILL DRUID OR AS A TECH CARD AGAINST WARLOCKS BECAUSE TECH CARDS ARE SO GOOD HAHAHA
What if I showed you this card yesterday and told you its an actual rogue card in mean streets?
>>161331734
I don't understand. Noggenfogger is the only character from Gadgetzan anyone even gave half a shit about before this expansion.
Also, Mayor Noggenfogger?!?! MAYOR?!?! His title is fucking Baron! Baron Noggenfogger! Jesus fucking Christ, Blizzard! How do you fuck up your own lore this immensely, Blizzard?!?!
>>161334618
>>161334578
>>161334565
>>161334550
>>161334528
>>161334523
>>161334520
>>161334489
>>161334796
>not running mayor noggenfrogger
>detective cards aren't hard counters to any of the 3 gangs
ONE JOB
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>>161335425
What else do you expect from a western manjawed actress. Western women just don't make for good waifus.
>>161335475
I would laugh even harder today
>>161334965
assuming a dragon count on par with historical dragon decks, this is curator with -1 mana cost, -1 toughness... and -1 average cards drawn. Maybe you want another copy of that effect, who knows. Probably it's just mediocre.
>>161335318
>It's not even a pirate.
HOLY FUCK! I just noticed that!!
Team 5, holy fucking shit! They left off the tribe! It's literally OC-fag territory!
Literally why did they nerf Blade Flurry? What the fuck was wrong with that card, not only did Oil rotate out at the time but there has literally been ZERO cards that'd be good with it since it's nerf. And DON'T you fucking "design space" me or I'll dust all my rogue cards and kill myself.
Jade Rogue seems interesting, but it bothers me that it's such a parasitic archetype so non of the Jade cards will see any play outside of the Jade decks.
>>161334553
Paladin's one isn't even bad. It's outright better han the Scarlet Crusader or something.
>>161334965
>It's not a fucking dragon
>It's not the fucking rogue legendary
>He crafts a dagger for your in WoW AND IT'S NOT THE ROGUE LEGENDARY OF THIS EXPANSION
>INSTEAD WE GOT A SHITTY 3 MANA MEME CARD
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>161335445
Seriously though, if she gets played anywhere it'd be fatigue druid, since she's the closest true replacement for Clockwork Golem we've gotten in a long while. That said, Druid has better options for getting huge minions, so that's unlikely.
Ok guys
NOGGENFOGGER + YOGGSARON WHAT HAPPENS ?
>>161335478
reminder that this is what virmen ACTUALLY look like
Well so far:
Control seems to be dead. No control deck has enough removal to handle Jade Druid's summoning ability, and fatigue is out of the question since Blizzard considered it a good idea to give druid a 1-mana spell that makes them immune to fatigue.
Aggro seems like it will thrive, however. All the buffs to drop overstatted stuff plus all the draw engines that reward you from emptying your hand seem to be pretty good for it. Warrior got a lot of weapon buffs and buffs to hand (which include buffs to smorcron among other good charge minions)
The Kabal seems like its getting the shittiest part of the deal. Lock is the only deck capable of sustaining a singleton deck by virtue of cycle. Priest struggles with its decks already due to its awful cycle, I can't see how it can run a singleton deck. Mage can probably kind of do it, but I don't see either of these slow decks ever winning vs Jade Idol druid.
It honestly feels like everything will boil down to whether aggro can overwhelm Jade druid, and the rest of decks won't really be able to compete. After watching the Rogue Jade deck it feels like they didn't test it enough for Druid.
Also claiming Solia in advance.
>>161334965
forced draws with that one lady that makes you immune during your turn
forced draw decks on ladder
>>161335613
The huffer from call of the wild attacks your own face
>>161335475
I would have called you a massive meming faggit and would have said that there is no way they would shaft rogue this hard.
>>161331708
Rogue is now officially a meme, great fucking job Blizzard
>>161332293
Why does this have overload? Is blizzard retarded? There is one card in the entire game that rewards you for being overloaded.
After today's card reveals there is literally no excuse not to drop Hearthstone for Shadowverse
>>161333617
>what is flamestrike
>what is doomsayer plus any aoe freeze card
>>161335498
>There is no detective that cuts smuggler lines and removes boosts
>There is no detective that infiltrates the opponent decks as a duplicate
>There is no detective that steals jade and resets golems
LITERALLY ONE JOB
>>161334279
>>161335318
Are you sure you got the right one since I'm looking at the facebook page right now and she has a pirate tag
>>161335483
Depends on how Noggenfogger works. Does it otherwise obey card rules like Yogg?
>>161335624
Yeah, but that doesn't appeal to furfags, goyim :^)
>>161335698
>targets wrong side of board
>>161335698
>your own board gets flamestriked and frozen
plot twist
It's pretty fucking ironic that they printed all these board clears when Jade Golems invalidate all of them.
It's like trying to use board clears against Jaraxxus, except Jade is better than Jaraxxus
Why doesn't this give +1/+1? You had one fucking job blizzard
>>161334279
>not a pirate
Fucking hell Blizzard. Ben kill yourself.
Did blizzard honestly just fucking waste a class card on a rager meme
what the fuck is this joke
>>161335378
What do you mean anon, Rogue will totally play Violet Illusionist so they can play Deadly Poison so they can play this new card. Especially in a Pirate deck!
>>161334965
Definitely going in my 29 Dragons + Wrathion deck.
My opponent's may win when Wrathion spends 5 minutes burning through my deck then fatiguing me to death but I will have unleashed the most potent of memes.
Besides, with how bullshit this game has become I no longer care about winning, only about memes.
>>161335632
>claiming Solia
Enjoy your ORC'd knife-eared used goods, I guess.
>>161335238
Pb is only not used because of miracle being only good deck
Dp is used in that
Squiddys alright in nzoth
>>161335425
True but they were deliberately going for medieval and grimy whilst still having all the film tropes when it comes to looks. Kinda makes sense a lycanthope would look tired and dead especially one who has to deal wih all of anhk morporks shit.
>>161335538
Nice meme, most japanese women look like horror dolls. Both sides have shit looking people, least we arnt india.
>>161335718
Could you show it? Cheers
So how will (you) meme this expansion?
>>161335632
But anonHow can control be dead when Jade Druid is control
>>161335475
Get fucked rogues.
>>161335689
I don't like the easthetics of shadowverse.I also don't like shadow ragers.
I wish that HoMM card game could be by any chace still alive
>>161335498
:^) one of them is a hard counter to the last viable rogue deck
>>161335792
You're leading on the board when Mayor Niggerfugger comes up and slaps your board's ass
What do you do? Keep in mind that any attack or spell will be randomized, so good luck removing him
>>161335624
good, that model is horrible
>>161333530
>Effect isn't related to the noggenfogger elixir
It's the only reason anyone gave a shit about Gadgetzan past vanilla WoW, and they don't even reference it.
>>161335832
>Targets nothing
>Hits anyway
must be Hearthstone
>>161335846
yay, more "build themself" decks. oh goodie.
>>161335792
that would be overpowered as fucking shit, 3 less mana than captain greenskin for a vastly better effect?
>>161335889
>Subaru with Pyroblast
>Winner is also chosen randomly
Joke's on you
>>161335376
>if 1 card didn't break it then 2 cards won't XD
>>161335829
I know, Uberwalders should be edgy, but she was pretty cheerful in the series
>>161335829
https://www.facebook dot com slash Hearthstone/photos/a.1257814800927952.1073741890.498467596862680/1286803941362371/?type=3&theater
>really enjoy control warrior
>"oh boy I can't wait for the new cards"
>all warriors get are meme taunt cards and weapon buffs
>druids fuck you over with just one card
>priests get more removal cards and now can steal all your shit making taunt warrior useless
>on top of that justicar rotates out soon
well fuck it I'll just play face warrior then thanks blizz
>>161335564
Curator is not ran because you need to draw a murloc and a beast, and you need to include those cards in your deck. First of all, what deck are you talking about? Warrior ran it in every list pretty much when it was the most relevant class, because you would include those cards anyway, or they were so good that you'd easily include them to run such an effect. This just draws cards, period. You don't change anything. If you fail to recognize that a 6 mana 4/5 taunt with battlecry: "draw 2 cards" (quite often more) is particularly good, i don't know why you'd bother to keep playing this game.
>>161335889
play yogg, get fucked shitter
>>161335846
I've already said this.
29 dragons + Wrathion.
My meme is an abstract and confusing meme but when I draw 20 cards and kill myself on turn 6 my opponents will be very confused.
Ok this expansion seems like it's pure shit so far
Rogue gets HAHA RAGER MEMES DAE? and the worst jade thing
Shaman and Druid the two best classes get fucking god tier card after god tier card
Priest gets entirely forced into Dragon Priest if it wants to be any kind of competitive
Lock gets fucking garbage for control like always
Fuck this fucking god damn game holy shit
>>161335632
>Grimy Goons get wrecked out of existance by Devolve.
>But it doesn't even compare to how badly Kabal is just fucking dead in the water because of Jade, not to mention Reno will rotate in a few months.
2/3rd of the Expansion is nerfed out of the meta by ITSELF. I can't get over this. This is so fucking crazy, even for Blizzard. I mean, wow....
It's not even just the usual "Ranked 1-10" meta or anything, there's a literal dozen archetypes that just died in constructed, come Friday. Not even Casual or Rank 25 viability. Just gone. Poof.
They said they want to encourage variety. What the fuck happened, team 5?
>>161336006
>not playing pint size potion + confuse + all 0/7 cards
>>161335889
Should've been 5 mana so you can actually put it in meme decks and mages can fuck themselves over with firelands
Guess we will all be a bit JADEd after the expansion.
>>161335689
Lol fuck that, I'm going back to physical card games. At least I'll be able to sell my set when I'm done with it.
>>161335894
They do reference it if you look at the card's art. Noggenfogger is holding an elixir.
>>161335956
if one card didn't even come fucking close to breaking it then yeah, 2 cards won't. Miracle hasn't been great since prenerf auctioneer and leeroy
>>161335632
Turn 7 Solia after Kazackus is gonna be fun.
Can anyone on NA help me with the 80g play a friend quest? I have no friends on Battlenet
>>161336071
I hope not, It won't be as funny that way.
>>161335792
Over the average deck (that would play this at 4 weapons), this card gives about 4 more weapon damage, and pushes firey waraxe into the 4 attack range, which is critical mass for weapons.
What you're suggesting adds (using firey waraxe and arcanite reaper as the two example weapons) 28 damage.
So yeah, I'm going to call this card balanced and you retarded.
>>161336127
>costs hundreds of presidents to play
>have to leave the house too
>>161336048
Worst of all, Jade and Devolve are Shaman shit.
>>161336128
>considering poisoning himself over having such a shitty design
>>161336182
DryBread#2141
>>161336006
>Not 27 dragons + Wrathion + 2 jade idols
>>161335689
The awful SV art is reason enough to drop card games in general before even thinking about moving to SV.
>>161334965
He's probably not worth it if it draws one card.
If it draws 2 cards he'd be decent.
3+ is great.
So what's the chance of drawing 2+ cards in dragon priest?
>>161336189
>you actually to play a "balanced" card game
>you can actually use a bit of strategy and not win by using the biggest rng spell/card
>hearthstone costs hundreds of hours of time
>>161336182
post tag
The only way to stop aggro now is 0/20 taunt minion.
>>161334409
>24 damage burst
To your own damn face.
If you want to be able to do 30 damage in a single turn, Priest already has a deck that can do that.
>flash heal x2
>mind blast x2
>auchenai or embrace the shadow
>velen
>one tick from Emperor to make it all work
Ladder for the next four months:
TIER ZERO
>Midrange Shaman using literally no new cards. Once in a while, you'll see one that swaps out a Hex for a Devolve or some shit like that.
TIER ONE
>Dragon Priest using all of the good cards it got without Kabal's singleton gimmick.
>Freeze Mage using one or two new cards but that's about it.
>Jade Golem Druid is the only decent deck that actually uses its gimmick from MSG.
TIER TWO
>Face Hunter that slaps down all of the sticky minions that have accumulated since last rotation.
>Control Warrior that uses one or two new cards and automatically concedes to Jade Golem Druid.
>Zoo Lock playing a couple of new cards from the expansion and totally ignoring the Kabal gimmick.
TIER THREE AND LOWER
>Meme decks from the seven classes listed above go here, along with all Paladin and Rogue decks.
>>161336018
keep in mind that they killed any kind of control decks that arent jade golems, forcing other classes to go turbo aggresive .
why do they keep forcing aggro and midrange so much?
does team 5 hates control.
>mfw warlocks didnt get a new archetype since GvG and will always be forced to go either zoo or handlockish type of decks that rely only on hero power
>innervate kun
>free 7/7 + 10 mana turn on turn 8
jesus fuck you can do something like innervated kun nourish
So is this good or not?
I feel like Jade is going to be slow as shit. It will be good against late game control like Warrior and Priest, but aggro should annihilate it out of the meta.
>>161336182
add me Misenaive#1392
Why is the best card in the expansion being overlooked?
>>161336282
but the dogshit art of HS doesn't affect you? ok
>>161331708
>wake up in a good mood
>hype to see the new cards
>I main rogue
>see this card
Looks like I'll be switching over to the new priest memes.
RIP rogue.
>>161336189
>hundreds
Try thousands m8. Most competitive magic collections are at least a couple grand
>>161336390
When has an overstatted cheap minion in an aggro deck NOT been good?
>>161336390
fiery bat has a 50% chance to trade into a 2/3
this has a 0% chance
>>161336390
It'll see play.
>>161336405
Yes for Shaman and Rogue
For Druid however since they can ramp to infinity and beyond they can easily take the first 1/2 tempo losses, drop Fandral plus 1-2 idols and start snowballing to fucking shit
We're on a roll!
>>161336390
It's living roots with a beast tag.
>>161335632
100% agree that control is fucked. No class has enough removal for several big jade golems or buffed grimy goons every turn. Not even control warrior. The meta is going to devolve further and further into curvestone, where getting the board initiative, or having 1 tempo swing around turn 3/4/5 will decide the game.
Spells will be worthless now (barring things like brawl/hex/poly/execute) since they are already struggling at the moment to kill shit even buffed with spellpower. What the fuck can any class do versus 3 6-6 doppelgangsters or 3 big jade golems in one turn? Even if you remove them all with brawl, equality+consecrate or nova+doomsayer, there's 3 more big guys coming next turn. The only option is to have your 3 big guys out sooner than your opponent.
>>161336341
I can see that happening, but you should really consider a magma rager tier.
>>161336390
Very good. Incentivizes Abusive and Argent.
>>161331000
an anon predicted this
>>161335792
>>161336390
in token druid
>>161333280
>>161336432
Best?
>1/1
>does nothing on the board
>terrible at every stage of the game
>isn't even good against reno until you get two of (1. you need to face reno 2. you need to have it in your hand and you need to have two of them)
>>161336440
I l7ike the game, but FUCK 5-minion board limit. Actually let me amend that: FUCK amulets etc counting for it. 5 limit is fine for preventing Forest/Sword memery, but I wanna play my Spirit Cycle without conceding 20% of the board to do so. They could easily make it so only Haven Amulets take up space, if that was the big balance problem.
>>161336445
There is dogshit HS and then there is >>161336440
>>161336432
I'm going to run 2 in egg/beast aggro druid
>>161336432
I'm personally overlooking it because I play Priest which basically means everything without a Dragon tag is irrelevant.
Actually I'm not, if I played a different deck it would be funny as hell to run that and know at some point on Turn 10+ my opponent is going to draw hoping for something good, and see that smug fucker's face come out.
>>161336432
Because only autopilot aggro shitters have a problem with Reno decks who just want to have fun, and outside of pre-standard freeze mage, Reno was never responsible for any problematic decks.
Also, it's one of the cards that hard counters the rest of the set from the same fucking expansion, so how could it possibly be a good card in terms of design?
fuck it.
just fuck it
>>161336432
it wasnt>>161332275
>>161336152
opinion not considered. we shall see what happens when the expansion hits.
>>161335972
Thanks
Well at least rogue got a decent porate card for once, getting a three mana attack weapons prtty easy to pull off.
>>161336432
>miracle gets one not two but three hard counters at least
Top kek.
Problem being it fucks your draw later on.
>>161336512
Didn't warrior get a 0/7 taunt? The fuck? This is fake right.
>>161331000
Where were you when the most busted spare part came back to standard for free?
>>161336547
Poorly memed. Enjoy your 25 lands.
Did MSG just turn the game into rock, paper scissor?
Taunt Goon Warrior -> Aggro -> Jade -> Taunt Goon Warrior
>>161336629
fanart that isn't even a goddamn card?
>>161336629
>then there is fanart
?
>>161336446
>Jade out tempos Dragons.
>Shaman's Devolve kills your Tribe/Buff synergies.
Are you betting on the right horse, there, anon?
>>161336512
i hope my card gets made for the next expansion
>>161336776
almost too bad for the faggy hair and boyface
>>161336775
>>161336776
Are you trying to prove my point?
>>161336710
It was a busted spare part because it was a useful tool that you could get without needing to draw it as one of the 30 cards in your deck.
You do not want to include this in your deck. Considering the other options, you might not even want to get this from a Kabal Chemist.
>a meme legendary thats worse than swashbuckler
>LITERALLY magma rager
>a minion with a conditional weapon based effect with no weapons or weapon buffs in the whole set for rogue and shitty rogue weapons in general
{astounishing}
>>161336835
>>161336852
Is this more to your liking?
>>161336776
>badass
Gearbox would be proud. That appeals to le edgy 13 year olds who hate their generation
>>161336776
Nice over-design bub.
>>161336909
All these cards are the same color. I just don't get the appeal.
shadow rager
>>161336779
You mean any horse other than rogue?
Yes.
>>161336301
Drawing one is the worst case scenario, which will happen less often than it won't. And in that case, you get a an azure drake, a competetive card, with +0/+1 and taunt, for one more mana.
He wouldn't be "decent" if he draws 2 on average, he'd be exceedingly good. Then you consider that he will draw 3 a reasonable amount of the time too. Don't know how a card could be more obviously broken.
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>>161336905
Her vagina is her butt? What's going on with this picture, jeez.
>here's your art bro
>>161336186
that's how other cards like jeeves play out. say you need to draw 2 cards and have no cards in your deck, you'll go 2 into fatigue then stop
>>161336503
Shaman can hold his own against aggro even now with cheapo removal, taunts, and totem fucking golems. He even gets extra taunts and heals in the next expansion. He might just not play the jade shit if the midrange list stays good enough.
Rogue can always prep coin Ferryman concede.
being any control deck vs jade golems is like playing freeze mage vs control warrior
it's not like golems will have a completely awful matchup against aggro either. So what the fuck.
can someone post a image with all the class cards?
i know its from a site, dont know which
>>161336897
But anon, it literally proves that Deadly Fork was a sleeper card all this time!
You can play a 3-mana 3/2 on Turn 3.
Then, get this.
You then play a 3-mana 3/2 weapon on Turn 4, along with a 1-mana card if you got really lucky.
You see where I'm going with this?
Then on Turn 5, you coin and BAM YOU GOT A FUCKING 9/9 ON THE BOARD
THAT FUCKING TEMPO
DOING BRODE PROUD
BEAT THAT SHITLORD
HEARTHSTONE PRO COMING THROUGH
SEE YOU AT BLIZZCON 2017 MOTHERFUCKER
>>161336905
>cerberus
it's just an anime with sock puppets
>>161336909
Is overdesigned shit more to my liking? No.
>>161337063
Looks infinitely better than the previous 3 cards posted.
>>161337106
cucktrol fags need to be forced out of the game forever
>>161335889
I play dragonfire potion
>>161336779
>>Jade out tempos dragons
That piece of shit deck that they were making Frodan's opponent play was awful why would you do a Dragon Reno list and skip all the good buffs from Twilight Guardian and Corrupter? You have no basis to say this.
>>161336970
why do shadowshitters always have to clog up these threads? is it paid and if so where do i sign up?
>>161336186
Fatigue cards are considered cards, and aren't dragons, so that's probably how it will work.
>>161336984
Well, you've been warned.
>>161336895
This thing will still show up and still ruin games. And it can freeze face, so it enables ice lance to the dome.
>>161337041
Dude that's just like, your opinion.
>>161337024
yeah spellpower is totally not an important part of azure drake
>>161337063
>here's your badass anime fighter bro
who the fuck can defend this
>No dragon tag
NICE LORE TEAM 5
Its the Kraken all over again
>>161337158
I bet you only own 1 belt
>>161337041
>>161337162
they practically have been, the only decent control deck atm is control warrior and even that loses to memerange with bloodlust
>>161337207
Fucking retard.
how the fuck is this shit good?
it looks like blizzard made shaman jade lotus just so they could not give the class any new good cards, minus the legendary
>>161337216
To be fair, you don't want people discovering this off of Netherspite Historian
>>161337225
I own a white, yellow, orange, green and brown belt.
Now come and fight me nigger.
>>161336432
>people think this is a reno counter
It's not, you're supposed to mulligan for it so your opponent get's a dead draw later in the game.
>>161337216
kraken isnt a dragon
>>161336432
Can't wait for top2 brawl to come back so I can make a deck with just weasels and raptors.
>>161336970
Because you understand that just because something has 100 hours of rendering it doesn't make it good for a card game. The art could literally be MS paint and as long as its immediately recognizable as a thumbnail its served its purpose.
That's why magic is so great. It's got solid art but every card is immediately recognizable as a tiny thumbnail.
>t. some who works in illustration
>>161337353
Kraken didnt get the beast tag
retard
>>161337350
this, it's an aggro card
>>161336341
tier 1 shaman 100% winrate
tier 2 priest and druid losing only against shaman
tier 3 the rest unplayable against druid, shaman and priest
tier 4 paladin
tier 5 rogue players who lost all hope and are bouncing ragers in the ladder
Really makes you think...
about what could have been.
>warlock legendary
>hmmm this looks interesting
>that one deamon that kills you every time you summon a deamon
>you know you will always have two of these in your hand hen you summon the legendary
>>161337282
>jade enables Shaman to be top tier in control as well as in midrange
>not good
>>161337309
NOT A DRAGON
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>>161337282
Healbot has returned, and it's shaman only, friend.
Shaman is gonna be just fine.
>>161337279
But he's right, anon. A
>>161337350
It's also a dead draw in your deck.
That's it guys, uninstalled. It's not even worth spending the gold I built up, I'm not going to enjoy the expansion.
I feel like an idiot for sticking with it this long. Have fun with your meme ragers
>>161337384
I've worked in cinematography and I understand completely. Not the same thing, but the principles are there.
>>161337165
I'll be laughing at your confidence with my Jade Shaman with Devolve.
My basis is common sense. Shaman has board fill. Jade adds even more board fill. x2Devolve gets rid of your huge HP minions in the early game. Jade meme will out-tempo your high-HP, low-ATK Dragons later in the game. Dragon Priest will have a small window of opportunity in the mid-game to SMOrc to victory and not get controlled away.
You'll be tier 2 at best.
>>161337282
It's already pretty decent if the golem comes with 2/2 stats, anything above that is great value, It's going to be pretty decent if some sort of jade control deck becomes meta.
>>161336383
Guy on stream did
innervate kun refresh fandral nourish and 3 jade cards
>Reynad said this was gonna be the best expansion in HS ever
L O L
>>161337501
It's less of a dead draw in Grimy Goons decks, if you can buff it.
>>161337521
X/X for X is barely below average statline. Devolving a billion Jade Golems won't do shit.
I didn't know whispers of the old gods had a sequel with even more corruptions of older cards and shitty gimmicks that force deck design
Seriously though what the fuck are half of these cards, I actually believed for once that they'd pull through for once but I was wrong to get my hopes up
>>161335861
Aww shit dude the HoMM card game was amazing
>>161337572
i am willing to bet he said that about every set before it came out
he pretty much works for blizzard at this point, just like his fuckboy frodan
>>161337282
>He hasn't seen Devolve.
Should we tell him, guys?
>>161337501
That's why you mulligan for it so you can trade it into whatever shitty 1 drop your opponent plays.
>frodan's opponent wastes pyromancer in his double equality deck
>leaves brann up
>gets punished with golem battlecries
>everyone shrieks OP OP OP
>when really the blizzard emplyee just played like shit
>>161337627
They have mostly ran out of ideas since Wotg, HS is on life support
>>161336742
A-at least it's balanced now, right?
What could possibly be their justification for printing this card?
Surely this will be nerfed immediately?
getting an error every time i try to download this on my galaxy s7. says i don't have enough space when i know i do. is android version bugged?
>>161336742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXX8URSUWm0
>>161337727
Seriously that guy was a fucking moron. He equality's for nothing twice and leaves brann up all game and people cry op?
>>161337779
No, free up more space.
>>161337216
This actually pisses me off.
>>161337626
Are you memeing me? Nothing you just said made any sense.
>>161337758
>Devolve Deathwing into a 9 mana 5/4
>Win game
>>161337771
No, you see its fine that a single card, run as a one of in a deck, can completely break the game mechanics
>>161337758
>Completely destroys entire decks
>Bad
>>161337627
Don't be contrarian anon. /hsg/ doesn't like that.
It goes like this:
>we all now sugar is bad
>but the sugar guy is a pretty cool bro
>also makes new sugar things every few month
>we hate the unbalance and terrible sugar dick
>but we are addicted to the sugar dick and so we take it all in even so we keep saying "Baka, sugar-san"
>>161337704
Warlock's 1 mana drop is either a 1/3 or 3/2, that 1/1 can't trade against most stuff.
>>161337771
Now tell me how Shaman and Rogue can pump their golems? I can see them making 7/7 max.
Rogue would have to run n'zoth to make it to 10. Do they just hope to discover this specific card?
>>161337779
Just don't bother, just read the general, does ANYONE here actually seem to enjoy the game? People are literally just playing it to spite themself.
>>161337503
Later shieldbearer.
>>161337856
Turning a 5/5 minion into a 4/4 one isn't going to stop you from dying when the real threat of the golems are the following ones. Devolving 10+ stat golems will still leave behind minions which have to be answered immediately.
>>161337771
If druid can survive that long then they'll win anyway, they don't have many tools for surviving till fatigue anymore
>>161337687
Pretty sure he also said that Karazan is amaising prior to release.
So take that into concideration
>>161337758
>Counters Tribes/Buffs/Deathrattles
>Not good.
Screencap'd.
>>161337771
Ben Brode was once playing half-ramp half-beast druid at rank 24 and got uninteractively owned by a mill rogue.
>>161337128
On a serious note, the pirates fine.
Just 1 dp before you play it.
Getting a 3 attack weapon isnt hard at all its that rogue doesnt want weapons because they take damage anyway and miracle is their only decent deck
>>161334965
I don't have anything to say about that card but put me in the screencap
>>161332975
ALL minions.
>Streamers defended the fucking 2/3 rogue brewmaster
>Can't wait to hear the excuses for stealth rager
Man, the shill in this game is just out of the charts
>>161337969
Why do the hardcore blizzcucks such as yourself always get so mad about anybody leaving their game? Shouldn't you be happy that he leaves.
Also the game is literally designed for "Shieldbearers" and the "fun stories". (see RNG/see Blizzcon)
>>161337771
>We ordered Kazakus to be of best benefit to the player, e.g. it will play polymorph and then deal damage to all minions
>literally wastes freeze on a dead minion
nice fucking game
>All these jade golems
Do you miss me yet?
>>161337994
Priest doesn't have access to Jade golems, you Mongolian son of a Janissary. Reading comprehension, much?
>>161337703
Devolve is pretty weak. It only gets value when you're behind on board and doesn't even remove it unlike the busted AoE shaman already has. What would you even cut for it?
It can be OKAY against N'Zoth decks, but at that point it's just a ghetto Hex since they rarely go wide.
>>161338135
I-I was only pretending to be retarded, haha.
>>161338124
>playing priest
end yourself
>>161338124
I miss that card since the exact second it rotated out from standard, nothing new here
>>161338124
unless lightbomb shuffles back into your own deck after using it it doesnt matter
druid will have unlimited golems
>>161338093
I can't fucking wait to see Kibler defend this. He's the biggest shill of them all.
>>161338124
>Kill 30+ stats worth of minions with it
>Two turns later there's 50+ on board
>its actually really strong
>5 face dmg AND the enemy will have to trade into it. Or they use some removal for it. Its a win-win
This on turn 3 and shadow sensei on 4
7/3 and 4/3 for 7 mana is good
>>161334965
>next boom/mc/yogg
It's too close to azure drake in value to jerk off to this cardAzure drake is great tho, so dragon deck will run it if people can afford 1500 extra dust
Enjoy your Jade Golem Spam guys, I'm out
>>161338108
I just don't want him to forget we will remember him for who he was.
>>161338262
Memes are memes. It's not a good card but it could see some play in gimmick decks or Discover effects.
Not every card absolutely has to be auto-include tier, and unlike the 2/3 combo panda this one at least has flavor as an in-joke.
>/hsg/ is fast a fuck
>like 3 threads in a couple hours
>/svg/ is dead as fuck
>still in the same thread all day and not even close to 750
So I take that 90% of the posters here were Shadowverse regulars that crave more American & Shaman dick and returned like cheap whores for more after the expansion is finally about to enter live
>>161338297
tfw I thought reno mage would be fun again
>>161338262
i want to molest you smug anime anon
WILL THIS EXPANSION FINALLY KILL HEARTHSTONE??
WILL I FINALLY BE FREE?
Daily reminder that you WILL pull the 9 mana meme lego and the rogue lego instead of actual decent stuff
>Aya is something like a 23 stat points on average
>for 6 mana
>>161338274
>expecting a 3 mana 1 hp to live.
>for a sub optimal trade.
>>161338160
-It counters zoolock's many synergies into trash tokens.
-Eboladin continues to be kept from viability just because this exists.
-N'zoth decks hard countered.
-Murlocs' synergies countered.
-Useful tool against Dragon Priest and Grimy Goons, because their minions' HP is usually too large for your board clears.
Devolve will be meta.
>all these kids crying about jade golems
Hmm.
>>161338124
I dont give a shit how bad a meta will be, i just want priest to be forever in the shitter. I welcome our druid overlord so that priest cucks get robbed of their moment of glory. Fuck LB, fuck Entomb, fuck Priest
>>161338476
That's a panda I want toplay
>>161338501
>infinite value
>>161338501
it's quite nice to see /hsg/ be incorrect about everything every expansion
kek. Smart people will play freeze and anyfin to counter the golem crap
>>161338380
I've always got you pegged as more of a reddit guy desu
>>161337024
I don't think comparing this to Azure Drake is actually a good comparison at all.
Azure Drake is basically perfect. Its statline, tribe, the cycle, and the spell power are all perfect for its mana cost.
At 5 mana, it comes down at a time in the game where the global spot is weak, so it usually doesn't even have to worry about trading down or getting eaten for free.
Wrathion comes down a turn later and at a health pool that is again vulnerable for it's mana cost. Thaurissan isn't hard to remove. Sylvanas is only sticky because it is awkward to deal with. People have to ignore cairne unless they can deal with it all at once. This thing is going to get run over.
Taunt is cute, but ultimately a wasted stat point, and won't at all slow down any aggressive strategies, nor will it trade favorably against midrange (or Jade Golems, for that matter)
Finally, the goddamn thing will probably only ever replace itself. Dragon decks will run about 6 dragons. Double Operative, Double Bookwyrm, 2 top end legend dragons. This is assuming Operative replaces Azure in the 5 drop slot, which I'm pretty sure it will.
Going first, assuming you hit Wrathion on 6 and can drop him safely, you've seen 9 cards assuming no additional draws. You've seen one dragon in you first 9 cards, on average, with like 90% probability.
Wrathion has a 17% chance to hit a dragon on his first draw, if my maths are correct.
While the chance of successive draws increasing your odds of hitting dragons shouldn't be discounted, and I'm sure Trollden will have a video out of wrathion drawing 4 cards or something crazy, this card is probably balanced, if not a little weak.
>>161338501
Don't see the correlation
>>161338385
>>161338385
>thread is going fast
>90% of it is complaining and saying the game is dead
/svg/ has regularly been faster than /hsg/
>>161338501
>doesn't run out of steam
>doesn't require a board
>can auto win certain match ups
>punishes board clears
hmmm
I fucking quit.
Random a random randomstone
>>161335096
He's a black dragon though
>>161338274
>Play Shadow Rager on Turn 3
>Your Shaman opponent plays Maelstrom portal and kills it while summoning a Tunnel Trogg
Yeah, I don't see it. Even with stealth there are heaps of ways for this thing to die before your next turn and almost all of them involve cards that are actually being played currently too.
>Flame Juggler
>Ravaging Ghoul
>Pyromancer
The list goes on and on.
1 health is just not that hard to deal with, even when the minion is untargetable.
>>161338537
ENTOMB IS FOR KEKS
REEE
>>161338596
I'd rather play aggro to beat freeze and golem crap, but it's not about winning it's about never getting to play control
>>161338537
t. buttblasted Tirion user
>>161338476
Day 1 craft you fucking control cucks.
>>161338501
this card IS busted as fuck but the support isn't there, if beast druid had a proper curve it'd be complained about as the new MC
jade golems are like build-you-own-jaraxxus, it's inherent inevitability. In no world is something that shits on control so deeply going to be considered awful
>>161338274
>swipe
>arcane missiles
>whirlwind
>maelstrom
>fan of knights
>flame juggler
>any other 1 dmg ping able to hit stealth
>>161332701
>>161332749
Miracle rogue, insane conceal value and just cycle your spells for big hitter.
>>161338385
I'm here to laugh at your meme ragers and watch people lose their minds over jade golems. It's kind of sad really, I checked all of the new cards and not a single one made me think "wow, that looks fun to play with", I guess I just got tired of memes and rng.
I'm ready for the Jade Golem meta FeelsGoodMan
>>161338778why hasn't there been any good porn of her yet
>>161338778
>He dies once a week to Control.
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH NERF!
>I die 50 times a day to aggro, all I want is to have fun with my homebrew control.
>*crickets chirp when it comes to developer assistance for our archetype*
This is why you faggots are wrong to post shit like what I'm replying to.
>>161338798
>paying 5 mana when you have 20 spells to cast this turn
>>161332701
So gadgetzan, coin, red wyrm, coin, conceal, and then rip your opponent a new one on the following turn?
(alt tarzan tick to replace coins)
>>161331708
D E S I G N S P A C E
>>161339045
Yeah, the same way that "double this minions attack" dragon saw play with conceal.
>>161338950
Midrange is the only respectable way to play. Keep pretending control decks take skill.
You guys just suck at rogue.
Shadow rager is clearly meant for the rogue mirror. Can you imagine burgling one off your opponent? Those stories man
>>161339045
no. turn 5 mana wyrm, if it lives kill the opponent
>Wrathion gets introduced to Hearthstone
>he synergizes best with Anduin
Where were you when Hearthstone made Wranduin canon?
>>161337779
Your phone is trying to warn you not to install this shitty game. Ignore at your peril.
>>161337758
Devolve does not exist in the same slot as Hex.
Hex is for silencing a minion and making it easy to remove for 3 mana.
Devolve is for ruining the synergy of the opponent's entire board for 2 mana.
Situations that you would use Hex against:
>Your opponent has any single minion that has 14 or higher stat distribution and likely has a high mana cost.
>Your opponent has any single minion that has a powerful effect for as long as its on the board and likely has a high mana cost.
Situations that you would use Devolve against:
>Your opponent has any amount of minions that you want to remove but that you cannot target reliably.
>Your opponent has any amount of minions that have a great deal of synergy with one another for as long as they exist on the board.
Situations that you would use both against:
>Your opponent has any single minion or any number of minions that are either very difficult to remove or are very punishing when you remove them.
Hex is for minions like Ragnaros and Malygos, Devolve is for a Miracle Rogue or N'Zoth deck's ideal boardstate, they're both for Sylvanas, Cairne and Tirion.
>>161339157
There wont be enough rogues left for a mirror to exist anon.
>>161339157
LEL post this meme on reddit i bet you'll get mad upvotes
>>161339157
finally a use for FoK in mirror
>People cry about adding other classes like Monk or Death Knight or some shit
>They can't even release an expansion with 9 playable ones
As a main priest, I feel your pain Rogue bros
EAT SHIT ROGUES
Non-pre-order players right now:
>Willl ge completly shafted by the awful pulls from their very few packs grinded for months (LOL), MAYBE get a legendary (warlock legendary every time)
>Cant make a proper Jace deck, or 10/10 Shaman deck, or Rats Hunter deck, or Buff Paladin deck.... or any kind of deck right now because of the lack of gold and dust
>They will be unable to even complete quest that requires win games on Standard because of the overpowered preorder decks that will dominate the ladder even on rank 20
>Will continue to play their same tier 3 outdated decks for months
Pre-order players:
>Will have every single common/rare/epic and every lego up release, multiple copies even
>Several golden cards
>Got countless options for building all the new meta decks right off the bat and can have fun also making fun rewarding decks like Jade Druid and Wallet Priest
>Dominate the ladder easly to rank 5 and beyond all the way legend, gets free wins all the time from the weak free2pay players
>Will love the expansion as their experience will be vastly different because they aren't poorfags stuck with meme cheap decks like zoo
Will you have fun being raped again and again and never getting those wins for that quest anon?
Why you even play this game if you're a poorfag?
Looks like we are going to try Shadowverse then
>Control mirrors
Why do you deplorable fucks want a "Glorious" control meta anyway?
>>161339337
Do they pay you or do you do it for free?
>>161338501
The difference is you need to build a deck around Warden, while you can just toss a jade idol in any deck and call it good.
>>161339326
since when did pre order include 240- packs?
>>161339292
gtfo priestards
>>161339372
No need to pay me
>Nerf blade flurry for design space
>Despite it's best synergy rotation
>And they could have nerfed 1 aspect of it instead of both
>Year later
>Still no weapons
>Still no weapon buffs
Thanks
>>161339138
Midrange is the definition of curvestone.
>There are people in this very own thread that give Team 5 money
Might as well buy Peter Molyneux games
>>161338262
He treats all cards like MTG cards
That is, he sees filler and Johnny cards and is not fazed by them because he knows those kind of cards have a place in CCGs
Sure, Hearthstone does not get lot of cards so they stand out more, but you can't get too cynical. There are literal joke cards in the game, Amgam Rager is a good example.
>>161338610
i kind of agree with you but dragon decks usually run at least 8-12 dragons
6 dragons is way too few to trigger any dragon synergies reliably
i do agree the other anon is overrating this to fuck
Does Mean Streets not even have a special cardback?
What the fuck?
>>161338610
You're high. There's no way dragon priest will run 6 dragons, nor will they replace azure, it'll be ran along with operative. There is simply no better dragon to run in its stead, and that it costs 5 too is utterly irrelevant. In fact, if you could run more than 4 total operatives and drakes, you would. 6 dragons are in no way sufficent for a dragon deck. You need at least 8 to consistently satisfy your dragon conditional cards (this has been the case in every dragon deck so far), which will be vital because turn 2 hinges on Wyrmrest, and Talonpriest on 3 hinges on the latter.
>Wrathion has a 17% chance to hit a dragon on his first draw, if my maths are correct.
What is this calculation assuming?
>>161339431
A shame, most companies would pay a pretty decent salary for someone that shills as hard and as enthusiastically as you do.
>>161339205
>Not a Priest legendary
We're still not there
>>161339438
>get something better
>compain
The /hsg/ Prediction Poll for Mean Streets of Gadgetzan is UP
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdZiDyQoWIX-QTanorod5aiXAdRCUEvgVEIASSkZJwfcyuepw/viewform
You got until some arbitrary time this week to get in your response. Let's see some hot opinions
>>161339462
>Amgam Rager
Well, you see, Ragers used to be common neutrals, which we have plenty of in each set, so wasting a slot is not that bad, but if a Rager is a class card, which we usually only get 3, well, there we have a problem
>>161339205
>implying its not
>1 wrathion
>1 jade idol
>28 dragons
>>161339583
>pushing Miracle instead of something actually fun
>liking dead draw: the card
Next set
>stealth rager
Rogue
1/5 stealth 3 mana
>>161339583
Oh wow, half an innervate, super fucking useful for all the cool combo cards we've gotten since the game's releaseGod bless Gadgetzan Auctioneer.
>>161339363
I enjoy forcing my opponent into the torment of an inevitable loss drawn out 30+ minutes. It's why I played fatigue druid pre-standard.
>>161339583
>Rogue is only allowed to have one deck since beta
Wasting class cards on in-jokes is a fuckign sin
I mean wasting cards is already a sin since HS gets so few cards yearly already but when a class has what, 10 cards per expansion wasting 1 in a shitty joke, especially on a class that is struggling is in no fucking way defensible
>>161339594
Stealth Rager is lot stronger than all other ragers, just because of the stealth.
It is actually not that bad
Also Rogue is a mess design wise, mostly because classic does not rotate
>>161339629
>Play wrathion
>Burn Jade idol
well played
>>161339646
there's nothing more fun than miracle. perhaps midcurve shaman is more your speed mouthbreather
>>161339265
I'm going to be playing Crusher Shaman this expansion. I've played around with it a lot this previous expansion to varying degrees of success. Different variants have been brought to tournaments or used at high legend play, and I think the tools are there again for a variant.
We are losing Elemental Destruction, Healing Wave, Lava Shock, and Ancestral Knowledge, but I think Jinyu Waterspeaker, White Eyes, and Devolve have a good place in it. With Entomb cycling, Ancestral Spirit gets stronger again, and N'zoth Crusher looks super good with White Eyes.
That said, since you and I seem to have similar ideas about hex and Devolve, which are you running at 2 and which at 1? I think an argument can be made for both.
I hope someone makes a completely broken Reno, Jade Idol Druid deck
If that doesnt work I suppose you could run 1 Jade Idol in Malygos Druid and win every control matchup since you have enough healing
>>161339730
you mulligan for both ladm8
This expansion is a fucking joke. Im glad i quit this shit long time ago
>>161339438
No
Just having more weapon buffing benefitted cards (like all they ones they've shown) means more weapon buffing being run which just makes blade flurry broken
Bad cards can become mediocre in the right decks tbqh
>>161339725
Dude you sound fucking MAD
>>161339326
>Pre-ordering
Why? I probably can craft a T0 jade druid deck with less than 3k dust
>>161339547
I thought that if Wrathion would ever come to Hearthstone, he'd be a Rogue legendary that had the dragon subclass -- Blizzard's attempt to make Dragon Rogue a thing. So I'm just happy that he's a neutral and that his effect synergizes really, really well with Anduin.
Do you guys think he'll have a special interaction when played by/against Anduin?
>>161331708
Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I’m so distressed right now I don’t know what to do. I didn’t mean to do that to my mom but I’m literally in shock from the results today. I feel like I’m going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is this a card? This can’t be happening. I’m having a fucking breakdown. I don’t want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want an expansion to believe in. I want Blizzard to retract this card and fix this broken meta. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn’t supposed to be like this, I thought we opened up design space???? This is so fucked.
>>161339710
good. curveshitters can stick to shaman and fagon priest
>>161335632
>control is dead because 1 specific deck from 1 specific class counters it
loving
this
meme
>make hunter's mechanic for the expansion about buffing cards in hand
>in the class that has the fewest ways to refill their hand
>so few that having an empty hand and top decking was their last half-assed attempt at an identity
what did brode mean by this?
>>161339727
Is it better? Yes, is it a good card? No, specially when it dies to anything. The fact that they printed this while portal and ghoul exist shows how out of touch they are
>>161339737
They're being lost in four months. You've got those cards until April/May. Don't build around rotation just yet.
>>161339881
/hsg/ is consistently retarded. they actually believe the 5 mana card will prevent stealth minions from being too good
So if miracle rogue gets pic related from Lotus agents it's insta concede right?
Wrathion?
>>161339827
Illidan doesn't have a special interaction while played against Tyrande.
That shit was so natural and so expected that being missing makes me think that Blizzard just doesn't bother anymore with that kind of shit.
any chance that non-zoo warlock is not dead in this expansion?
>>161339886
>play kodos
>buff them to 15/17
>instant brann them for 30
>>161339476
Look at what is cycling. There are no dragons left in standard. BRM is leaving, and Twilight Guardian was TGT, which is also leaving. Is priest going to run Twilight Drake? Midnight Drake? Or just an insane amount of legendary dragons?
I'm not the first person to suggest that Azure would be replaced by Operative. The low amount of good dragons left is exactly why I think everyone's estimation of dragon priest being good is ridiculous.
>>161339526
Literally read my post. I'm using hypergeometric distribution to predict draws within a given population.
>>161339138
literally no one said control takes skill. But midrange in HS is just brainlessly dropping shit on curve, if that's enough for you then good for you
>>161339778
What weapon buff?
>>161331708
TOPKEK ROGUEBABS BTFO
>>161339923
I'm getting a goddamn headache with all of these conflicting dates in every other thread.
>>161339778
What weapon synergy cards make it OP in this set?
The only good one is the warrior one and that wouldn't work in rogue seeing as they never run weapons outside their hero power these days
>>161339982
He really should've gotten the dragon subclass. Plus, I'm gonna have to complain about him having Taunt. I mean, Taunts are really good for Dragon decks, but my complaint is that it doesn't make thematic sense with Wrathion. In lore, Wrathion's the type to stay in the background, manipulating events, and not only that, he's a Rogue, so really, he should have Stealth instead. But oh well, I'm just happy that he's in the game.
>>161340054
We have a whole other expansion to go before that, I'd give good odds that the next adventure will contain dragons.
>some comedian put ahahahahah for all the written answers on the poll
My goodness someone has free time on their hands.
>>161339827
"Sup Anduin."
>>161340007
pretty sure renolock is gonna be redic
I need a collage with all the cards.
>>161340096
>>161339138
>>161338950
>>161338778
>>161338476
>thinking they can play "control" in a game where there's not disruption or any kind of instant effects during the opponents turn
you're just using a midrange deck and deluding yourself by calling it control
So what are the must have Legendary i need to get. Only feeling Aya atm desu.
>>161338498
Shaman already memed on Zoo because claws and spellpower portal. It's probabably bad in that matchup because zoo still has a board to buff and go face with.
Why run it against N'Zoth when you already have Hexes? You even lose tempo since you turn the understatted deathrattles into cheaper minions with the same statline.
Murlocs are not common enough to tech for.
It's bad against curve decks because you spend 2 mana to stay behind on board. You can follow up with a storm on turn 5, but your opponent still has initiative.
Also it's random.
>turn drakonid operative into a 477
Devolve will be meme.
>>161339592
>no picture of the cards
>need to look up the card description for EVERY card
ugh
Is it just me or Rogue looks like a class that only edgy wannabecool 12 year olds want to play ? Like in every other game ever made. Only edgy people play classes that have a thief/rogue/"dark" theme in the sense of skulls, demonic hands and shit.
>>161340234
But there's no healing.
>>161340054
Try reading mine too. I said what is it assuming, im not asking what you used to make the calculation. You're clearly assuming that you know the amount of dragons ran.
You do know that no cards are rotating out until the expansion after this comes, right?
>>161339737
Wait and see what the meta is. I'd go with 2-hex 1-devolve unless we start seeing any combo/synergy decks climbing the ladder. The decks most likely to dominate run cards for immediate value rather than synergy or combo. Hex punishes value, Devolve punishes synergy.
>>161340157
The first set of every year causes every set that wasn't released the previous year to rotate out.
BRM, TGT and LoG were released in 2015.
WOG, KARA and MSG were/will be released in 2016.
When the first set of 2017 comes out, the 2015 sets will rotate out.
>>161340374
That's warlock, rogue is stealhty combo decks that require skill.
>>161340312
P A T C H E S
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>>161339968
>miracle rogue
Why rogue, druid does it all on its own
Play 1 Gadgetzan and 1 Idol, wait till late game and play them both
>>161340393
you could get that 4 mana heal 12 potion
plus there's the 1 mana 2/2 that helps a lot
>>161340374
We could argue that only 12 year olds want to play this game/warcraft. Some things just have more depth than you think.
>>161338641
North-african-american dragon, if you will.
>>161340374
*tips the life tap*
>>161340374
What's the sensible, mature class for enlightened and mature players such as myself then?
I've just realized that there's no fucking weapon for rogue. I don't even play rogue, but what blizzard is doing with it is fucking disgusting.
At least it's finally clear that all those explanations in the developer insight videos are fucking bullshit, these people don't know shit about there own game.
I remember when I defended Blizzard over Poisoned blade, thinking they gonna make it viable with new cards in the TGT set. I can't believe I was such a retard.
>>161340312
Paladin
Shaman in everything that's not aggro
That's about it
>>161340726
Druid
>>161340751
>>161340751
>>161340751
NEW THREAD
>>161340374
Warlocks the edgiest class.
Rogue is just your typical anti-hero class. Up to you whether thats edgy or not, but honestly edgy is such an overused term its lost all meaning.
WHO THE FUCK GAVE SHADOW RAGER A SCORE OF 5 REEEEEEE
>>161340781
Too early, you retard.
>>161340813
some memer
>>161340269
>haha it's not MTGs definition so it doesn't count xD
fuck off retard, there is nothing midrange about a deck that doesn't plan on curving out every turn and winning early
>>161331519
its not that crazy, it needs to attack to be good.
>>161340813
Where?
>>161336653
make it a shaman legendary I can see it in the next expansion
>>161337419
a kraken isn't a beast
>>161331708
>people still give these hacks money
smhtbh
>>161339592
>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdZiDyQoWIX-QTanorod5aiXAdRCUEvgVEIASSkZJwfcyuepw/viewform
>Gopplegangster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xceS6Naf6zU
This is one of my favorite Kripp videos. I wish he got hired to Team 5. He would fix HS in a week. Honestly, I've gone from spending $100 per expansion, to playing mainly arena and only buying things with gold. You can only netdeck and aggro in constructed, and there's absolutely no fun to be had with those decks.
With Gadgetzan, this is getting even WORSE.
Yes, his deck in this video is shit, but this happens no matter what homebrew you come up with. If it's not Tier 3, you'll have 10% winrate at best. 80% of the card pool is unviable. Why spend money, then? I just hope more people wake up.
>>161340269
Control does not exist in CCG. So why are we not allowed to reuse the term to mean slow midrange with some late game combos?
Go back to MtG you shitter
>>161340531
>you could
this is why I left
>>161339326
wow, it's been some time since i've eaten this pasta
>You can't control the board at turn 6 and you'll very likely die, even from 30HP.
>Board flood will become even more prevalent and uncontrollable.
They just ramp up the hyper aggro every patch, it's unreal.
So which legos will be played in non-meme decks?
>panda waifu
>don whatever
>mage and the 3 class reno one
>kun
>white eyes
>warrior one
Is that all?
>>161342283
I completely feel the same way to be honest
>>161342998
>mage and the 3 class reno one
>Implying Kabal isn't dead on arrival.
>>161332719
>Fucking Wrathion draw unlimited cards unless you're playing a dragon deck.
>>161343103
Full disclosure:
I will make a "Full Dragons" meme deck that mills itself dry with Wrathion for my 80g play a friend quests.
>>161343090
Renolock may be good. Not sure about reno mage though
>>161343369
>any control
>against 10/10, 11/11 and 12/12 jade golems that are dropped stronger and stronger