Your king edition.
>What's new?
Two new heroes, Varian and Ragnaros announced at Blizzcon, along with a new brawl map and a couple of new skins.
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20327398/new-things-announced-at-blizzcon-2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4900jOY8cCM
>Which heroes should I buy?
Play all the heroes on free rotation and see who you like. Don't buy heroes just to get into ranked. It's not worth it.
>Where do I find you Vikings-as-first-pick-drafting faggots?
/join /vg/
>Current weekly brawl:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20374411/blackhearts-revenge
>Latest patch notes:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20352063/balance-patch-november-10-2016
>Official site, general news:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en
http://www.heroesnexus.com
>Hero rankings, various statistics, talent calculator:
http://www.hotslogs.com/Default
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator
>For new players:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPk004vsjuE
>Tips and other useful resources:
http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
Previous: >>161045430
>Literraly build for sex.
>diamond promos
>allied jaina dies 5 times in 4 minutes
Where were you when Abathur tried to start a war to preserve the zerg?
Ragnaros in a couple days?
god samuro is such fucking aids
can you do bans in unranked because I might just play that until this freeweek is over
>>161287110
Abby don't have will for his own, if anyone could tried to take over the zerg swarm that would be Zagara or Dehaka.
How do I not get placed in wood tier
Jaina needs to be classified as very hard and cost 10k gold. Everytime someone picks her they feed like mad and do no damage
Is Kael super unsatisfying or is it just me? It just seems like you have a bunch of options but none of them are ever any good
>>161287850
>new account
>play something stupid in QM
>win a few dozen games
>level Vs. AI
>ranked placements
>Platinum I through Diamond III
>>161287893
Yeah, I just had one die five times in the first four minutes of the game.
>wave of minions
>she places blizzard beside it
Slightly tilting experience.
>>161288486
>he doesnt zone minions waves
>>161289409
Like what
That's it?
Just spam Q? I guess it makes sense since W has absolutely zero range but
>>161289624
+ talents.
>>161287381
>he hasn't seen the aftermath of legacy of the void
>doing more dps than sonya
>down 2 levels
>still win because they throw.
>>161290089
I feel bad for that Illidan.
>>161290089
>Illidan with those stats playing into Muradorf and snu snu
Damn.
>>161290843
>feeling bad for some shitass assassin player
>ever
>>161291316
Look at those stats. It looks like he carried hard.
>NA memes
>Tempo storm
I DID IT! 15 FUCKING MATCHES!
I AM FINALLY FREE FROM THIS BORING PIECE OF SHIT GAME!
PEACE FUCKERS!
>Illidan pops evasion right before I hit him with Judgement
>does literally zero (0) damage
What a NICE fucking game.
>>161293940
>>161294298
>>161293940
Watched replay. It was his 'spell shield'-esque level 13 talent. 219 dmg judgement makes it do ~50. What a NICE game.
Seriously though, Judgement does need a buff.
>>161294454
You shouldn't be taking Judgement.
>>161294563
go fuck you'reself t b q h
We were pumping and I play Tyreal for annoying enemies and for bringing FUN.
Sanc is 'pop and be a shiny fag' and if you're super-serious.
>>161293940
>game against Illidan
>pick xul
>kill him 10 times
>this happens three games in a row with three different illidans
>fourth game I get one on my team
>he picks illidan into muradin, brightwing and arthas
>that illidan was 14 of our 19 team deaths
>>161294645
Sanc would have fucked Illidan because he can't hit anyone and can't life steal.
>>161294723
As I said, they were getting pumped. Also,
>illidan players
>good
:^)
>>161294723
PREPARED!
>getting cucked by an old DRUID of all people
lel
female goblin hero when
>>161295063
>changed from purple gnome to FURSHIT
No.
>>161295063
>>161294743
Good enough to out play you.
>>161295765
>Gets wrecked all game
>Loses said game
>Picks an unorthodox talent that instead of instantly dying he dies .5s later
>y-y-y-you got o-out played!!1!1! ;_:
Illidan players are the Riki-pickers of HotS. Useless and delusional.
I guess when there is nothing else to compliment
>>161289661
>>161289409
Well I'll be damned
>>161296629
Also I have a question, for the purposes for his 'hit two more heroes' talents, does Cho'Gall count
>>161296629
Since day 1 of his rework I've been saying this and only a few people realise.
Even on VOIP one day had some autistic beta bitch question my Flamestrike build. nek minnit, I'm top siege, hero and XP while we're destroying the enemy all game.
Not a single word was said again by that faggot.
Flamethrower (lv20) is also good.
>>161296804
It shouldn't. But this game is buggy. Try it in try mode.
ALL
>>161296826
That has been his standard build since forever.
>>161296826
The only real issue I had was mana, should I take that mana talent when you activate trait or is nether wind just better
>>161297819
No. Objectively wrong, especially when you look at pre-rework.
>>161297840
Don't be a spamming retard. This isn't LeL.
>>161296826
I don't think I've seen a KT take anything other than FS build in months
Turns out Tychus is actually from the Diablo universe.
>>161297930
>being this poor
hero used in hero league counts for any quests regardless of class or universe.
>>161297840
also regen globes, don't underestimate how much sustain a regen globe can give you in lane.
>>161296826
sure you can wreck shit as KT on the optimal team comb that protects your positioning and takes your vulnerability into account. The second you play with a team that doesn't do that, you're effectively out of the match as KT.
That's why li-ming is the better alternative at the moment, she can still do stuff, even when her team doesn't mind her positioning (if she is good ofc).
Jaina is also better, her trait and higher burst potential makes it easier for her to disengage with risky positioning.
The only disengage potential Kael has is his E, which is a skillshot that can be dodged if the one chasing you is good.
>>161299001
One hero league game counts towards all quest. Pretty sure even the win quest.
>>161297930
they changed it so you get credit for role or universe quests in any draft mode no matter what character you pick
>>161299389
LiMing is only "better" since she's easier to play (le blink faic) and absolutely wrecks if she can snow-ball. You seem ignorant about KT by that post but whatever, I don't care about who does/n't play KT.
>Jaina is also better
Another stupid 'point'. All three heroes are very different.
Anyone wanna play some cho'gall on EU
Need to bring that fucker and his brother to 5I don't have him
>>161300815
that they are very different, is the point i'm trying to get across. Kael is the more optimal choice with teams that have communication and cooperate. A rarity in HL these days.
Jaina and Li-ming are the safer choices, but ultimately deal slightly less damage in favourable outcomes.
I'm level 11 Kael, and if you can't feel it when your team neglects the enemy team diving you, then you're pretty lucky with matchmaking if you ask me.
>>161300974
This is a better post, which I can agree to more.
Good job, anon.
>>161299435
>>161299716
Honestly, that's fucking retarded. The role quests are there to give incentive to try out new heroes overall. This jsut makes people with less experience and more incentive to noob it in HL, to play HL.
>>161301071
you are fucking retarded, they made this change specifically to avoid people picking suboptimal heroes for the match they are in just because they need to complete a dumb quest
>>161300974
Li-Ming and Jaina are picked way more in tournaments than Kael. Kael is really only seen on shrines and even then Gul'dan is probably seen more. Especially since the nerf to the stun meta.
Jaina is picked for combo potential, Li-Ming for snowball and Gul'dan for crazy wave clear and sustain damage. KT is kind of in a weird place where he's okay at all that, but not really amazing at it until late levels.
>>161301176
other people picking sub-optimal heroes in HL isen't my fault. That's the people picking sub-optimal heroes to complete a quest being retarded.
I wouldn't mind them having this way, if the requirements for hero league we're tightened to atleast having 5 heroes above level 10, atleast owning 5 warriors above level 7, atleast owning 5 supports above level 7.
If you don't meet these simple requirements. You don't even belong in bronze.
>>161301359
so basically, you are complaining about a thing because you don't like another thing
>>161301215
They aren't picked for their damage, but because they are safer options generally.
Knowing that both teams are going to be highly cooperative and WILL dive you at any mistake you make, i would also prefer Li-Ming and Jaina.
>>161300958
I'll let you in on a secret/join chogall
>>161301423
Those "things" happen to be related? What are you? Incapable of basic relational thought? I bet you're one of them bronze shitters going "muh mmr-hell".
Yes, i'm complaining over the base requirements for HL, and them changing quests to give noobs a better incentive to play hero is NOT, helping it at all.
>>161301523
they are not related and you are a fag
>>161301430
They are picked for a variety of reasons. Jaina and Gul'dan have the same problems KT has especially Gul'dan.
Li-Ming does more burst than KT and if you don't think that you are an idiot. That and resets has the chance to snowball any team fight you are in. That's why Li-Ming is taken more than any other mages, not just blink.
Jaina because of Ring of Frost and combo potential with tons of other ults. It's more than just they are easier to position with because in truth you can play bitch mode with KT and be fine.
Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/
https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker
They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!
>>161301703
If you have the same positioning problems with jaina as with kael, then you just suck as jaina, end of story.
Her trait will make her impossible to approach, since she slows anyone whom are touched by her abilities.
Every 4 seconds, she can slow any advancing hostile for 30%. If they get closer or more than 1 is advancing, you just pop cone or blizz. They are slowed, and you just walk out of there.
80% of jaina deaths i see in HL, is because people tunnel vision and forget to walk the fuck out after they pop their shit. They just stand there and land basic attacks, which promply will get you killed from any fast reacting tank to capitalize on your retardedness.
>>161302892
nobody cares you autist fuck
is someone triggered by autism?
>>161303024
I can always count on you to respond, ponyfucker.
Classic Xul when?I'm not giving up on this.
>cho'gall free week
But why
>>161303194
because you thought samuro free week is bad
>>161303165
I'm sorry anon, I think Blizzard forgot all about D2
>>161302892
welcome back
>>161303298
>flashbacks of nova free week back at game launch
This is why i don't play QM.
>>161286087
how do I git gud at mr wolfman?
>>161303413
go cocktail and never go wolf
>>161303413
don't play heroes currently gimped by the meta. Greymane is in the worst spot he has ever been since his launch, just wait it out, and he will be buffed sometime in the next 1-2 months.
>>161303571
what is the current meta?
>>161302892
>>161303194
TIME TO REV UP THOSE COCOONS
>>161303571
Misfits and Dive Meta.
Overall, Tanks have never been in a worse spot than they are now. The only 3 viable tanks are Muradin, ETC and Johanna (in that order).
This makes it easy for heroes like Butcher and Kerrigan to dive in and wreck the backline for good, before the tank can react. Even if the tank does react, bursting down the tank is also suddenly a viable option.
The majority of maps just added (Braxis Holdout particularly), favour heroes that were neglected before, like Gazlowe, Hammer, Rexxar and TLV (on 3 lane maps only).
You still want to grab Samuro or Varian any chance you get.
A lot of people are gonna argue on the only 3 tanks being viable, but it's the sad truth, they just have a hard time accepting it.
Also remember (i'm assuming you're new); Warrior =/= Tank. Rexxar operates a lot more like a specialist with disruption, and Sonya operates exactly like an assassin with a gap closer and stun.
>>161306538
You're confusing solo tank with solo frontliner
You can pair a sub-par tank with a sturdy melee assassin, like thrall, and you'd still have a viable comp
>>161303165
My question is will there be a fem cancer in d3 dlc?
>>161306828
Not if you want to win.
Say you pair Thrall with Sonya. A lone muradin or ETC still have more zoning capability and more disruption.
There are some combs that can work with Tyrael, that's true, but it requires comms and higher than average cooperation, not fit for HL.
The lack off overall disruption in the current meta is exactly why diving is so easy for butcher, kerrigan, varian and most other divers.
>>161306828
Yesterday I lost a match because someone thought this exact same thing. We had thrall, he was last pick and instead of going joh he picked fucking arthas. That might not be the only reason we lost but it certainly played a role since they were melting in a couple of seconds in teamfights
>some faggot on the team decides to "shotcall", meaning he angrily tries to dictate everyone's build, constantly talks shit and bitches about literally everything, and pings something three times per match
>not one siege camp call
>not one boss call
>not one focus target called
>he's the only one on our team that doesn't make it to the commendation screen
>gets salty about it
>we saved his retarded ass from demotion
feels bad to win, man
>>161306538
>muradin over ETC
>muradin over johanna
you fell for the meme, anon
muradin is okay but ETC outshines him by far, and johanna is a lot more useful vs AA based comps
if you could have picked ETC or johanna while Valla is in the game on any team but picked Muradin, you fucked up bad.
>>161307948
Try being gold, winning feels bad and undeserved team-wise every time you're lucky enough to actually win, since everyone is a fucking potato.
I'm not saying i'm fit for diamond league, since i've played with diamond/master players and clearly can feel a difference in skill level, but DAMN, people are mentally impaired in Gold. It's been ages since i've been outplayed in lane or felt that i was grouped with anyone better or more knowledgeable than me about the game.
Climbing takes an eternity, and is far from what i would describe as fun.
>>161308015
I have a feeling you're just not very good overall with muradin.
Pick reverbration in level 4 and you will fair better vs AA melee combs than both Johanna and ETC.
>>161308338
>not understanding the meta
allow me to explain
Valla is a fucking beast.
ETC buffs her attackspeed. You don't want a buffed enemy Valla, and you want to buff your shitter teammate that picked Valla because she's FOTM.
Johanna is a huge threat to Valla, blind is amazing and Blessed Shield will get her killed.
If Valla sees a Muradin on the enemy team, depending on how the rest of the comps looks, she could just go for the W build and not give a shit about your attack speed debuff. Not to mention that if buffed by ETC, it's only a 25% reduction at most.
Which heroic should I be getting for butcher?
I like the damage from just charging at enemies right as furnace blast explodes, but his other one seems just a useful
>>161308528
Some weird games you've been playing, because i have yet to see something like that in action and not being able to deal with it as muradin.
I would not pick muradin vs ETC though, but i wouldn't sweat it vs johanna. Considering ETC gets banned most of the time, then i don't see an issue for muradin here at all.
Johanna > ETC
ETC > Muradin
Muradin > Johanna
>>161308890
You pick furnace blast when you're 100% sure that you will NOT survive the charge, and get stunned into oblivion. Particularly if the team you're playing with is showing signs or behaviour of not wanting to commit to your charges and leave you in the dust everytime you do so.
It can be good if you really need to take out the healer, or if you're vs a team that fall short on methods for disengaging.
>>161307674
>implying Tyrael doesn't do extremely well with these divers because of his speed boosts and mobility
apart from the fact that you're spouting memes ofc.
>>161308890
you pick Lamb to the Slaughter and bum rush solo laners whenever you can (after ~70 Meat). if you wanna be a dick you can use R > E > Q > W because it looks badass, but E > Q > R > W is safer and guarantees that R hits as long as you're not dealing with Li Meme or Tracer
>>161307674
Sonya is an assassin
Tyrael has been solo "tanking" for a while
Even Leoric was seen as a solo tank in this GCWC, given he was up versus 3 other warriors.
Solo Stiches was seen too couple with malf
I'm not saying the ones you didn't list can be the only tank in the team, what I'm saying is that if you pair them with other warriors or melee assassins the comp is still viable : something like Tyrael Arthas Kerrigan works wonders for example.
>>161307864
Arthas Thrall could make sense depending on what the rest of the comp was
If it's just thrown randomly with 3 casters then it's shit
>>161309497
Comparing HL picking with tournaments where they have complete synergy in communication and have trained for weeks to reach top level cooperation is fucking retarded.
Stop this "b-b-but the pros picked stitches in a match in this tournament". It's stupid to compare it to anything except TL, which is dead with queue times for more than 5 minutes.
>BoE
>our team comp: Valla, ETC, Tassadar, Guldan, Tyrande
>enemy team comp: BW, Tychus, Alarak, Graymane, Artanis
>our Valla goes W build and plays like a pussy
>she keeps pinging DEFEND on our immortal and doesn't fucking attack the enemy immortal
>we could burn in that shit in 10 seconds
>she doesn't get it
>has less hero damage than Tassadar by the end of the game because of "I play solo now" memes
>this is a diamond 3 game
fuck this game
>>161310207
placements are retard, they should reset mmr and let everyone start at bronze and do the climb themselves.
Literal noobs and smurfs are getting slingshot into diamond 3 and it completely ruins the quality of over 50% of all games.
>>161309610
This is about how viable other tanks are, not how viable other tanks are at your level of play with pubs.
If there's issues in that regard then it'll probably need fixing, but this ain't the point.
Otherwise you'll get the medivh treatment, with faggots whining that he can't do shit in QM until he gets overbuffed everywhere else
>>161310559
I have a hard time accepting that most tanks suck too. It's okay, it'll be over in a few months when blizz shakes up the meta again, like they always do.
Also Medivh is a beast in the right hands on the right maps. Mass Polymorph can be devastating in close quarters engagements.
>>161310772
>unironically picking polybomb
hot new strats straight from bronze 5
Any of you cuties wanna do the 30 games played rewards challenge?
>>161311306
ill play with you whats your name
>>161311306
>>161311529
Remember to use a condom.
>>161311529
Twankie#1182
>>161311669
birthrates are shit, why would you encourage that?
should i pick mura tyradne or jaina as my free hero
>>161311947
Just kill yourself
>>161311995
well that was unexpectedly mean
>>161312096
Why would you even go on and ask that question?
>>161312920
whats wrong with asking a gameplay related question??
>>161311947
mura is meta and fun
jaina is meta and requires you to git gud
tyrande is niche and a bit difficult to play well
also >>161311995
>>161311947
>>161312096
Muradin is fun, easy to learn, quite strong.
Jaina is a glasscanon who can burst 100 to 0 on many heroes but is very squishy.
Tyrande is not optimal at all for newcomers, she's an ok healer and an ok dps imo. but mana is easily wasted and she has 2 skillshots
dont listen to mean guy
>>161311947
As soon as you can, you should buy murky, he is the strongest hero in the game atm.
>>161286271
>not original Zagara
looks at this normie
>He bought Varian on launch day
>tfw he is me
>>161315716
What's the problem?
>>161315781
He has three potential builds, and only one is good. And even that one can be shut down quickly. I was really hoping he would be a great tank with prot, but it seems only fury is good.
>>161315973
>fury
>not arms
Also I feel you, I want another tank and not a meme like Varian, Artanis and Rexxar. We haven't had a proper tank in over a year.
>>161316217
Increase the range of taunt by 50% and reduce baseline cd by 5-10 seconds. There, viable tank.
Now fix the level 4 talent "choice" without making Warbringer absolutely shit.
shall i buy samuro elite skin?
i think he looks biger with it so people will possible attack me rather
>>161313296
it's fun when 5 enemys hunt you down +20 sec while your team does nothing in this timespan
I have been playing nothing butLeoricsince i installed this game, ask me anything
>>161318527
REMOVE. THIS WEAK SHITPOST. ITS ESSENCE. IS OF NO USE.
>>161312958
Because you're new. Only new players get this choice of free hero.
And if you haven't played this game since alpha, then you should kill yourself
>>161319290
>alpha baby thinking he's hot shit
if you haven't been playing since friends&family internal testing, you should kill yourself
>>161318416
Do you likefeeding?
>>161319562
>friends & family cuck bragging
if you didn't pretend playing this inside SC2 when it came out you should just end yourself
Where do you go for HOTS news now? heroes nexus is dead(er)
>>161319626
I unironically likesqueezing and raping qt heroes
>>161319651
>playing inside SC2
If you haven't played this game 3 years from now, then went back in time, played with Metzen's mom and became his dad then awaited for HotS to come out once again in your life then you should all kill yourselves
i bought medivh and im gonna shit up qm games for a while now
someone stop me
>>161319712
/vg/
>>161319789
I'll give you that, dad.
>every game is now just Illidan/Zayra/Tass
well this game was fun while it lasted but fuck off Blizzard you will never be able to balance anything will you
>>161319290
actually I'm an alpha player and got the choice too
>>161320086
>played since alpha
>didn't already own Muradin, Jaina and Tyrande
Bullshit
>>161293185
Your loss. Enjoy your skin.
>>161293185
>playing 15 games of a game you don't like so people will notice your pretty skin
cmon bruh
>>161320254
uhh, oakyl ad
>>161319626
>getting killed with "drain"
>>161316217
Is Arms really better than fury? I thought the increased attack speed combined with double wind was pretty much unbeatable in terms of builds. Plus losing health doesn't seem all that great.
>>161322179
Fury, honestly, seems sort of like Shadow Assault Zera, or Butcher and Artanis; just gets counterplayed after a certain MMR.
Being able to nearly 1-shot Valla, Li-Ming and Lunara is a bit less...linear, I suppose?
>>161319910
>tfw bought Abathur without reading any guides or watching other people play or even looking at the talents and abilities
QM here I come
>>161323209
ah so you're that guy from my team. on this day i want to die
>>161322179
fury makes it so that varian can solo everything PvE related and can also completely decimate anyone in a 1v1; it's practically the only build that's picked up in masters/GM apart from the odd few Arms builds that sometimes end up pulling through
>>161323825
So he can damage them 1/10 of their health? Doesnt sound so great.
>playing some ai rush this week with randoms
>host leaves the party form some reason when this happens, difficulty resets to ELITE
>new host doesnt notice and game starts
>new people getting raped by bots
>they want to concede the game
>tell them to ''play for real'' its not that hard
>they keep dying and bots outlevel us
>we still win after like 20 mins and me trying to rally them
I almost lost a bot game /hotsg/, the ultimate shame, also i hope these people never play QM
>>161324662
haHA
>>161324662
fucking carlos
mmmmmhhhhh
>>161323825
Yeah, it's looking interesting.
>solo boss
>1v1 the one guy that knows to come check
>get mercs pushing at proper times
>right-click the one guy split from his team
Sort of scared as to how they're going to buff him, though. Baseline Warbringer, perhaps?
>>161324710
Almost happened to me once too.
>rolls on infernal shrines
>bots get both sylvanas and kerrigan
>people literally ignoring the shrines AND not going for any memepush strats, just afk farming like it's fuckin dota or somethin
>the most intense tunnel vision i've ever seen (butcher fighting a camp literally 3 feet away from a teammate losing a 1v1)
>dangerously close to losing but butcher hit max stacks and decided to take the bad dragon out of his gaping asshole and actually play
It feels bad.
nice to see blizzard still can't into balance
varian and samuro are both broken pieces of shit
>>161325763
>>161324710
You guys know vs bots you should just push one lane straight to the core, right?
It takes 2 - 4 minutes, then just let hammer sit outside range and finish.
>>161326092
I know.
Sometimes others dont.
>>161325950
>>161326092
>Elite bots
Can and will fuck you up, and games can definitely take a while if people aren't on the same page, or if you're playing Abathur.
>>161325950
Samuro is obnoxious as shit.
Varian is, like, Butcher, except less all-in.
>>161326238
oh sorry, didn't see your difficulty got set to elite
>>161326361
Yeah, sucks when somebody drops those Vs. AI rushes and the new leader doesn't notice it gets changed.
They bots they give you for disconnects in ranked aren't elite, and I can imagine why for the lower mmrs.
>>161326214
I wonder if Samuro is the most successfully selling Hero since, like, Ming.
Grinding these 30 games for the challenge vs bots was actually kinda fun.
It turned into a minigame where we tried to get better times every game.
Our best was 2 minutes flat, can't remember the map.
>>161326594
I never understood why blackhand turned from a regular orc into a lava monster
>>161326708
Yeah, this Nexus thing was the only way I was able to get a few friends interested in trying the game out (again).
>>161326763
>OUR BOND IS IRON
/hotsg/, who is the edgiest character?
Illidan?
Alarak?
Zeratul?
>>161326895
I know the feel.
My friends all play doto and look down on heroes :(
>>161326990
>my friends all eat pig feces and look down on me for eating dollar store ramen
>>161326979
Brightwing.
Is Brightwing male?
>>161327206
are you?
>>161327206
no its a fairy dragon (female)
>>161327206
Yes
>>161326708
my record was 2:31 in dragon shire
>>161326708
1:57
chen to soak core
auriel
sylv
hammer
zarya
avoided mid fort wall and tower by going from the side
how many hours left until Varian price drop?
>>161327083
Heroes really isn't a game that should be played alone.
>>161326990
Mm, everybody I know is off playing League. Probably won't touch Heroes until it's a bit less communistic..?
>>161328205
Around 8 hours until they remove the $10 bundle and lower his balls.
>ywn hear de call like he do
>ywn do that voodoo that he do so well
>ywn be a doctor
JUST
>>161328473
There's a service break planned already in the client. Prepare for patchnotes soon with 2 little nerfs for Varian and one absurdly broken buff
I'm here to help!
>>161328874
Jaina is CUTE!
>>161328747
That's unrelated. There will be no patch today.
>>161307517
Yeah, there's going to be a female Necro.
>>161328874
Here, I want you to have this~Brrarrrrrppfffbbrrrttttt
>>161328747
We probably won't see rag on the PTR until next week, to keep with their 4 week release schedule.
THE BIG QUESTION BOYS
Who's after Ragnaros?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM4oBUlTjRA
>>161330767
Zul'jin
Then speculation is Valeera, the rogue from HS
>>161331034
>5 assassins in a row
>>161331125
Not just 5 assassins, 5 melee assassins because people were crying about not enough melee
>>161331220
not just 5 melee assassins, 5 melee assassins from Warcraft because Lord knows we don't have enough Warcraft heroes already.
Plat is the worst league.
Gold and down is bad players.
Diamond is a coin flip of who gets the shitter.
Masters is fine.
Plat is the worst. Boosted golds. Players still can't draft. Individual skill is starting to show but team play is still not possible.
>>161331297
warcraft is much broader in scope though
>>161331034
>more warcraft characters than any other universe combined
I wish this meme to end
>>161331220
I'm keeping hope alive that Zul'jin is the generic axethrower so he'll be ranged. Otherwise I don't know how they'd differntiate his silhouette from Zeratul
Is it worth getting back into the game when you don't have anyone to play with?
>>161331520
there are a fuckload of iconic (not ubisoft iconic, real iconic) characters from Diablo and Starcraft that are still missing from this game. it's like they said "25% of the core cast of these 2 franchises will be enough, but let's add these literal nobodies from the WC universe"
>>161331826
as somebody who's played none of these blizzard games i just find the warcraft ones more interesting
warcraft's got iconic species missing, let alone characters
>>161303413
I pretty much main Greygrey, though I suck. Here are at least my two cents.
It's ok to die as long as you get a minimum of one kill. Learn when to dive in and out, you can use your dive outs offensively to close the gaps on low health targets. Q can be used for movement (although the effect is limited). An important thing is to know when to use inner beast. If possible you want to keep auto attacking at range, even if you're just hitting the tank until you know when to jump in.
You're able to clear camps by yourself at high level.
>>161332012
Diablo has more than half of its villains missing. but yeah, we really needed animu dryad and loli bait gnome.
>>161331826
The only literal nobodies from Warcraft are Samuro, Chromie, andMurky
>>161332632
The dryad is a stand-in for the WC3 unit, like Morales is the SC medic.
>>161332683
Samuro was in WC3 and in the original doto.
>>161332781
but SC doesn't make up 2/3rds of the entire hero roster. and it has named characters that are nowhere near being put in.
BUT GUESS WHAT GET EXCITED FOR ANOTHER FUCKING WARCRAFT MEME HERO AND ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT AND THEN SOME MORE
Are you guys ready?
https://youtu.be/HsXglDs81FU
>>161332903
>wc3
didn't think of that, damn that game's old
>>161332683
Samuro isn't a nobody, he has been the most op wc3 hero since forever
>>161328706
but what if I'm studying medicine
>>161326979
Illidan really reminds me of myself. Im also like really cool and mysterious and I also have a dark past (my parents never understood me)
>>161333747
would you consider yourself intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor?
>>161333037
I meant in terms of background/history/lore, and I forgot about wc3, only thought about wow
>>161334114
If you were only thinking about wow Tyrande, Uther, Malfurion would be literally nobodies since they've never actually done anything in the MMO
>>161334549
>>161334114
in terms of wow are there any original characters to the mmo? i think varian didn't exist in wc3 he comes from the comics originally, i don't think chromie did either but that is about it everyone else comes from wc3 (lunara and bw aren't even wow characters they are just named wc3 unites).
probably li li too, so like 3 original to wow and the rest are from wc3/2
>>161335085
Pretty much the entirety of characters from MoP is probably original to the mmo.
>>161335085
falstad is from wow I believe
murky and stitches too (even if murlocs and abominations are from wc3)
also rehgar is from the comics aswell
>>161335386
Chen is from the RTS
>>161335085
Rehgar was from the comics. Rag I don't remember ever being mentioned in Warcraft 2 or 3. Greymane was barely mentioned in one of them, but he might as well be from WOW considering that's where he got his character from.
Falstad I'm not sure about honestly.
>>161335386
Chen is from WC3, but I believe everyone else is, yeah. I can't remember if Vol'jin was just added to the game in MoP or Cata, but if he was added in MoP, then him as well. Vol'jin came from WC3.
Holy shit, I want to stop getting games with Murky in them on either side, it just turns into a stupid meme fest where you're not allowed to leave the lane he's in or immediately give up every building because nobody else bothers to kill him
It doesn't help that he's such a fucking atrocious design, he's a fucking baby murloc in a diaper and one of his moves is to literally just shit himself I bet people masturbate to him
>>161335994
>Murky doesn't come teamfight
>Just 5v4 the other team, worry about soak and counter-pushing afterwards
And if he DOES come to a teamfight, just try to pop him with AoE before he ults or something. He's really REALLY easy to deal with, like Gazlowe or Nova.
>>161336143
Yeah that might work in some mythical land where it isn't QM and people don't have a collective IQ in the double digits (myself included) but committing to a 5v4 just makes Murky get actually 30k siege damage in the period where he's left alone
>>161331490
>Have an account in masters
>somehow can't get shitty Platinum I account into Diamond
I just don't even know any more. Feels boosted.
>>161330767
Something that doesn't stealth and/or spawn clones, please.
>>161331297
Zul'jin, melee? Haa, right.
>>161336557
He ain't gonna throw axes with one arm, that I tell you.
12/15 heroes leveled to five, going to start up ranked soon. Is placement solely based on winrate or individual player stats? If it is the former, what rank can you expect to be if you go split down the middle? Trying to get a general idea of what the system is like.
>>161337310
Zul'jin, one arm? Haa, right.Right?
>>161337436
Supposedly it's seeded from your hidden MMR in QM/unranked.
>45k
>don't know who to buy
>never spend it
>>161337436
Placement matches have very little influence on your ranking unless you just blow them out by losing/winning all of them.
If you feel like people are retards in your team, yeah, you're in plat or below.
>>161337557
Yeah, it is. You'll get dropped somewhere in low-mid Diamond if you win a dozen or two Quick Matches prior.
>>161337436
Go boost yourself up in Quick Match or Unranked draft with Xul, Samuro, Sgt. Cancer, or something.
>>161337614
>up to 80k and own all the heroes
>feel like too much of a shitter to wear master skins
>>161337557
>>161337635
Oh.
I just wanted to know if I should play Azmodan every game so I guess that's a yes
>>161337614
Save it for a rainy day
>>161337737
Is it really like that? That's a pretty cheesy system they have in place if true.
>>161332683
Lunara Brighwing Stitches Rehgar Lili
>>161338354
>rehgar
>an orc who enslaved the literal king of stormwind to fight for him in the arena
>nobody
>8 games in a row with Gaz
>always paired with or versus a fucking azmodan
>not even on free week
This shit is so fucking rigged it's not even funny
>>161338354
Rehgar is relevant to anyone who reads the WC comics, LiLi, I THINK is in comics as well, but either way, she's essentially Chen's little sidekick in MoP, and Chen is of course not a literal who. So by association I would say Lili doesn't count.
>>161326979
>Zeratul
he's more like... emo.
>muh fate is sealed :C
>we are going to die :^(
>evil is coming and we are weak ;_;
>>161327361
Brightwing is female
>>161338760
Bringwing is a female (male)
>>161338079
Mhm. Something along those lines, anyways.
I'll check in a bit to see how many Quick Matches I actually played on this account, but it was mostly Vs. AI.
>no prior ranked experience, of course
>>161331490
>Gold and down is bad players.
>tfw gold
s-sorry... i t-tried my best..
>>161332903
>FENIX
>WHEN
>>161327361
>>161338536
Wait till you start getting Monstrosity Aba.
>>161331490
>gold bad
Why do I even play this game
>>161338923
I only just now realized what the point of spamming that picture is.
>>161338821
Brightwing is a female (female)
>>161339362
>her
>>161339279
>be gold
>proud of myself
>go on peruvian imageboard
>GUISE GOLD IS FUCKING SHIT
>cry myself to sleep
>>161327361
>>161338962
>tfw reminded of Atryl
Placements are so generous to smurfs who know how to exploit the system that none of the ranks mean much below Master.
>>161339320
Yeah, it isn't common knowledge enough that the current system is a bit iffy.
>just checked
>22-15 in Quick Match on this account
>7-3 placements
>wah lah dimund 3
For science.
>>161339362
I want to fuck that female
>>161339801
>succubus (male)
but that's called incubus bro
>>161339564
The average player who plays this game doesn't get above Silver. That means you are better than the average player. Good job.
Someone post the graph from Blizzcon showing the majority being in Bronze, Silver and Gold.
>>161339974
i went 7-3 in placements and got gold, but i didn't participate in the last season
>>161340039
>He doesn't know
>>161340065
wish i was plat though... i know i am not diamond+ ... someone boost me ;_;
Monthly legend Barfstone player here. Done with that game after the abomination that is Mean Streets of Gadgetzan, and ready to shit up yours.
>>161340287
>wish I was plat
No, you don't.
High Platinum through low-mid Diamond is, like, the actual worst.
>>161340138
Lookin' for it now. 16% in Diamond, as I recall.
>>161339941
>ranks short of master mean nothing
Ding, ding, ding.
>>161340065
I do believe the average sits around Gold 2.
>>161340138
4u
>>161340485
>No, you don't.
>High Platinum through low-mid Diamond is, like, the actual worst.
i want the reward though... everything below plat gets jack shit. Would be cool to get mount at least once
>>161340579
>That 11% that is just fucked and will never be good enough to even get into Silver.
>>161340506
I thought they showed a graph at Blizzcon that showed the average player was usually around silver.
>>161340618
Just find 4 random people and do team league. Even bronze gets the mount in team league.
>>161340579
Ah, cheers. I couldn't seem to find it.
>>161340618
It's nothing terribly special. Don't you get it for just doing your 10 Team League placements?
Also, sorry if I'm a little cynical here, or crushing your goals/hopes.
>>161340678
>group of people in general bickering about their teammates picks
>omg nobody communicates in draft
>inspect profile
I'm actually a little curious as to how it is down there.
>>161340841
Don't go all American on me. The graph shows that the average, mid spot is around gold.
>>161340985
how many games would it take a good player to climb out of bronze 5 to diamond?
>>161340985
>It's nothing terribly special. Don't you get it for just doing your 10 Team League placements?
no bro ;_;
pic related
>>161341198
Team League has the lion mount in bronze
>Lise game get + personal judgment score.
Is that the games way of saying my team was full of idiots?
>forgot to edit the information out like the idiot I am
>>161341105
Quite a few, I bet.
Sort of tempted to place Diamond on an account then just lose 40-50 games in a row before the season ends.
Maybe place Bronze/Silver next season.
>for science of course
>>161341198
>Team League
>Bronze
>Elemental Lion Mount
>>161340479
Is meme streets out already?
>>161340479
>Gravity Bomb into Ring of Frost.gif
>>161341751
Dec. 1st. But all the cards have been shown now.
>>161341285
LMFAO why
>>161341946
That bad huh?
>>161338441
Look mate he could have made Sargeras his bitch and still I wouldn't have heard of him
Comics are not popular enough compared to all the vidya
>>161338670
If not for MoP Chen would have been less known than Gazlowe
I'm fine with there being a new character every once in a while, I'm just saying their choice of heroes is weird as fuck
Guess they hope this game will go on for many more years
>>161342001
Desperate attempt to get people to play it.
>omg u get bonus exp too
It's like they think the people who play Hots have four friends who also play, let alone at the same skill level.
>>161342059
1 mana 16/16s
>>161303467
Why Wolf man is god tier for securing kills after a few shots and a cocktail
>>161342249
I'm glad i fucking jumped ship after the so called shaman "nerfs"
Christ blizzard get a grip
>>161342204
Don't worry soon HL will only be solo que and anything more than that is going to be regulated to Team League.
>>161342916
>hero league solo queue
I'm curious as to how this'll be recieved, or if they'll go through with it at all.
>hope so
Do I need a group of people to do team league?
>>161343867
You need a team.
>>161343867
Yes. Needs to be a 5 man premade.
>>161343867
I think there is a channel for it. I think the season is ending soon so more people should be scrambling around tryin to complete it.
>only illidan brawl
>everyone picks hunt except me and one on the enemy team
>go in first
>meta 4 hunts
>>161340579
isnt platinum more valuable than diamond? why is it below it
>>161345138
Platinum is a stone while diamond is a metal.
>>161345138
just checked 1 kg of platinum costs about 28.000 € while 1 kg of diamonds costs around 60.000 €
>>161345468
apply yourself
>>161345829
wow i want to fuck a diamond now
>>161345138
platinum is cheap as fuck right now due to fucked economies, cheaper than gold. that said, diamonds are far more valuable
diamonds are like $500/g, platinum is $30/g
Why is this game's client/UI so fucking hideous and out of place?
>hey frank, most of our games/franchises are high or low fantasy, should our game's aesthetics reflect that?
>LOL LMAO NO LET'S MAKE EVERYTHING NEON BLUE ULTRA HIGH TECH SCI FI SPACE HEXAGONS XD
assembled group of total randoms for team league, wonder where i will end
>>161346706
well the game is set is spess.
Dehaka rework when?!They'll make primal agression baseline like they did with ktp with Johanna r-right?!I want to be able to go Speed on lvl 1
>>161347670
PTR tomorrow?
>>161348879
2w 2l so far... and they left.
anyone up for team league placements?
or am i bound to randoms
>>161349119
No. Live balance patch coming up in a couple of days. Just minor tweaks.
>>161349491
Rag on PTR next week then?
>>161349279
Just keep looking for people, friend. You'll get the pretty lion regardless, provided you finish another six games.
And I'd tag along if I wasn't tilted off the face of this planet after some games I had the other evening.
>>161348416
Didn't they say they intended to make him a solo tank, or something? Adaptation rework/buff?
>>161349583
kiddies on enGB went to sleep, literally no one on chat
>>161349529
Aiming for tuesday for NA and wednesday for the rest of the world.
>>161349809
Thank you anon!
will I be disappointed if I spend my 10k gold on Gul'dan
Li Li needs more skins.
>>161286087
How do I git Gud with Greymane and Zeratul? I normally pick warriors like Dehaka Diablo and Leroic but I want to learn some dps now.
>>161350458
one with a mask to cover her ugly ass face would be nice.
>>161350517
>Rank up to masters
>Nothing but insanely 'tournament' tier tryharding
>Win games because people are still shit at dealing with supports at masters
>Not having fun despite winning because games are either hilariously one sided or absolute siege fests
>MFW most fun I had was in diamond
C-Can I go back please? I want to have fun again. I thought higher skill games were fun but this is worse than meme teams in diamond.
>>161349583
Yeah they did but I'd be happy if they kept his bruisery state and just gave him either a baseline essence collection quest of baseline waveclear.
Adaptation not being shit helps I guess but that entire talent doesn't fit well with him. His sustain comes from kills in teamfights. Picking a heroic that helps him gets kills is better most of the time.
Also they want to make his e cancellable.
>>161340579
I always assumed bronze was like bottom 33%, didn't realize they were actually THAT bad at the game. Guess it means that you actually have to try to get into bronze.
>>161350683
Mastergames are fun. They shit starts when you get pros into your games.
Will there are some pleasant ones there are also tons of retarded tryharding fuckwads.
>>161350683
>d3-d5 is shitters fresh out of placement
>d1-d2 stroke in every draft/game because so close to master
>>161350978
Yeah, actually. I'm trying to think of a way to get down there, because I want one of those icons.
Season rewards are based on highest, not what you end with.
>>161350426
I think he's fun. Watching somebody run through three E ticks is just brilliant.
Wish I was better with him.
>>161351078
20 odd games into masters, still not a single likeable player found. Their attempt at being assholes however is amusing.
Get an angry scotsman as a friend, it helps building up tolerance for this shit.
>>161350426
The reminds me I still have that code from that Warcraft movie. Does that expire?
I told them they should make Tychus free the same week they make Cho'Gall free and they did it. The absolute madmen.
>>161350507
>>161350507
>>161350507
>>161350507
>>161350507
Anyone?
>>161351901
Greymane isn't that great now, but if you want to play him it's mostly about practice. Knowing when to go in and went to stay back.
Zeratul is more complicated and the only way to get good with him is just to keep playing him really.
You should give Alarak or a Thrall a try as well.
>>161351736
post it and find outI'd really like to play guldan
>>161350507
melee assassins are hardest to play. just spam qm to get your mechanical skill to a decent place first.
>>161350458
True that.
Well they're removing the piggy bank tomorrow. So do I buy it now while I still can? I feel like I'll regret it a month from now if I don't buy it
>>161352398
They've removed it before and brought it back, but if you really want it get it. The only mount that's been gone since they took it away is the Treasure Goblin.
>>161351901
>I want to learn melee dps
Not Zeratul.
Greymane is fun, and was good. Not in the best of spots currently, though.
>Thrall
>Sonya
>>161352398
It'll be back eventually. Although perhaps if you don't see yourself needing gold in the forseerable future?
>pic unrelated
>>161352571
>>161352621
Yeah but it could be months and months and months from now. I guess I'll pull the trigger.
b-but muh jew gold
>>161352621
Sonya is hurting just as much as Greymane is in the current meta. The only time I see Sonya is because she's pretty good against Illidan.
Alarak, Zeratul, Kerrigan, Thrall, Illidan and Stunlock/ Burst Varian are probably the best to learn.
Varian if you are with a friend and are just running around blowing people up. Him and Kerrigan are terrifying together.
>>161352827
Yeah, now that you mention it.
Just came to mind because she's a bit less finicky than both Kerrigan and Alarak.
im thinking of playing league or dota 2, sadly most likely league since i know people irl that play that
are there any chars in those games like my fav hots chars
leo
sonya
tychus
>>161354280
>Playing a game with a worst f2p model than Hots.
Why do that to yourself?
Nazeebo buff when? His quests take way too long and except zombiewall your skillshots don't feel rewarding at all. I liked him way better before his rework
>>161354514
>sitting back and laughing as some shitter greymane dies from spider bites 10 hours after you cast them on him
>not rewarding
Nazeebo is an acquired taste.
>>161354514
They just reworked him, and nobody wants him to be like before. Specialized Toxin Nazeebo was cancer.
>>161354280
>Darius or Yorick (bit of a reach)
>Garen (alternatively Pantheon if you're all about that 1v1)
>Kog'maw
A few somewhat similar ones of the top of my head.
>>161354514
Made the mistake of trying to play him on battlefield the other day.
>150 stacks
fk me
>>161354643
>150 stacks
it's stupid easy on Spider Meme and Towers though.
>>161354643
Spider build Nazeebo works well on Battlefield. Normal build works find as well though. Overall, Nazeebo is great on Battlefield because his abilities are just things you throw down and don't have to think about.
But yeah, this 150 stack bullshit is garbage. It should be lowered to 120 or something.
whom's man is this
>>161356864
Gucci buy me one of those panda portraits for EU lad
>>161356864
I wonder if the people that deep are just smurfing.
>level 20 morales main
oh
aaaaaaa how do i get out of silver
i always help draft, i counterpick, i ping and listen to pings, i go to objective, i never die pointlessly and always topdamage
what more can i do theres always some splitpusher or thrower aaaaaa
>>161357965
Which Heroes do you usually find yourself playing, or do you fill?
I've only played about three games in Silver, but I was always just able to waltz around taking objectives. People don't really have mini maps until somewhere in Plat, I think.
>>161358330
i used to fill but i started playing dps/bruisers
i can kind of carry but just not hard enough
>>161331034
>the rogue from HS
very good bait, made me reply over half the thread
>people ignores you because you're raynor
>open road to core
>they still ignore you while pushing
>have full marksman stacks for the active
>have hyperon
I wonder if people just sees raynor as a shitty Valla
>>161358495
'Gotcha.
What I've found is that waveclear is important, especially down there where it isn't taken into consideration. Siege/PvE damage, too. Bonus points for being good at mercenaries. Bosses, even.
>Valla
>Xul
>Zagara
>Azmodan
>Sylvanas
>Sgt. Cancer
>Lunara
Honorable mention to Twin Blade Varian and The Butcher; people sometimes just like to trade face, and both of these are good at that.
>>161358695
>talking about area 52 and netherstorm
>dr boom comes up
>"oh from hearthstone you mean"
>"no im pretty sure he was in hearthstone first"
>>161359065
Fucking this
>Pick Raynor in unranked
>Guy starts throwing a fit because raynor is "useless"
>Says he is throwing the game because of my pick
>mfw when we win and I'm top everything
>>161359065
I'd play him more if they didn't change his gun sound from the starcraft one to a needle shooter
>Enemy picks Artanis
>I pick CC
>No one else does even though I say we need to
>He proceeds to 1v3 at level 20 and kill all 3 people
>He fights 1v4, kills 2 people, and lives
Do these people not understand that if you don't CC Artanis at level 20, he will not die?
>go raynor
>level 20
>frenzy fury + marksman stacks + stun shot
>people still tries to duel me
I swear people who underestimate raynor are fucking retards
Lunara is CUTE!!!!
>>161363095
Agreed.
Mm, nobody seems to know about, let alone respect the power Artanis has against a team without CC/Blinds.
>>161359243
Oh, and Thrall.
All of the Heroes have their ups and downs (pls no hammer into chromie/kael), but most of them are reasonably easy to play at an acceptable level.
>>161363545
Oh, whoops. Meant to respond to >>161362446 regarding Artanis.
>another cute
What is up with the queues today?
>>161365369
d e a d
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Reminder that I'm going to marry Auriel
>>161362446
>>161363545
As someone who mains Arty as a tank, I love stupid groups that go lite on CC.
How do I into Zarya?
she seems to play exactly like her overwatch version yet the rest of the game is completely different and that is fucking with me
>>161367007
Basically have to be the Team Mom and watch your allies and hope they're not complete fuckups and save your ally shield to protect you healer from divers(if they have any) or huge enemy attacks(like Kael's Pyroblast). You really have to be aware of what's around you and can't just wade into the enemy group like some tanks do.
I don't have a lot of experience with Zarya, but those are some things I've noticed while playing her.
Check Heroes Nexus for the builds that the cool kids are using, but until you try to get into ranked play, feel free to try out your own builds and see what feels best to you.
>>161367007
>W when you are, or are about to take damage
>E when ally is, or is going to take damage
>Q when they stack up
>Graviton Surge when they stack up
>Expulsion Zone to keep them away
>friendly reminder that you are relatively weak early and are without escapes; be careful
You're more or less an off-support, off-tank ranged aoe bruiser.
Who is the best most fun tank and why is it Diablo?
>>161367554
ok so its just that I suck balls at this game/genre at the moment, because that is pretty much exactly how she plays in overwatch
>>161368397
I know how she works she is my main in overwatch
>>161368775
>Not Artanis vs a low CC team
Well, at that point Artanis is less of a tank and more of a god.
>>161368852
Yeah. I've just started playing Overwatch and I have been liking Zarya, but I haven't played near enough to make the comparison between how she plays in that that and HOTS.
Ragnaros fucking when?
>Ragnaros is an assassin
>Not a specialist
>Not a multiclass of assassin/specialist
>>161368852
I mean, like. I'm pretty sure the way she plays in Hots is similar to how she's played in Overwatch.
Just don't pick her as a solo "tank". Or do. Probably doesn't matter.
>>161368775
Is he?
I was going to say old Sonya, or current Artanis against a cc'less team.
>>161370390
Looks like he's just an Assassin that can take over buildings.
Just like Sylvanas is a sustained damage-dealer that can stun buildings. *shrug*
>Go all the way from demotion to promotion match yesterday
>Lose my first 2 matches so far today
Should I just stop and play quick meme?
>>161369942
2 weeks
>>161371147
>promo to diamond on smurf
>fail it
>drop
>climb
>repeat
>50 games later and I'm barely back where I started
>main is somehow in masters
>mind slowly slipping away
>>161369942
Probably two weeks.
PTR next week, if there is one?
>land a sick 4-man mosh
>1 (one) samuro CLONE is outside the mosh
>team decides to focus the fucking clone and my mosh accomplishes literally nothing
fucking when?
>>161373654
We need a fem draenei badly in hots
What went wrong? Or was this just forced 50 matchmaking at work?It was quick match, also.
About to hit 10k, should I buy someone or just save up to 15k for one of the next releases?
>>161374450
>not owning the lost vikings
Get the vikings.
>>161374572
I'm a terrible player and feed like hell whenever I don't have a warrior health safety cushion.
You sure about that?
>>161374232
No healer on either side, but red team has tons more sustain on its heroes. Top team is also burst-reliant and bottom team has 2 burst-resistant and 2 highly mobile heroes.
i have 10k
who buy
and why
>>161374572
the vikings?
I wanna try Thrall, Tychus, Rehgar, Dehaka, Artanis
Out of the heroes I have, I think Diablo is the most fun
Also, I wanna try the Vikings but I know I'll probably not be too amazing with them
>tfw haven't played in 2(two) days
I don't know how longer I can last without the BHC
>no Invoker
>>161378946
"I fear not the man who has practiced one thousand spells once, but the man who has practiced one spell a thousand times"
- Bruce LiLi, Pandaren Master, shortly before getting flamestriked to death by Carl's expy
>>161378946
>no personal kill streaks in hots
>I'll probably never see all chat blow up over a murky quadrakill
;-;
>>161373654
Maraad or Velen first, then we can talk female draenei.
>>161374232
looks like a normal QM to me, what did you expect? Balanced teams?>>161377784
>>161379276
this post was meant for >>161374232
but to give my input for >>161377784
then Tychus and Thrall are the best heroes there which you just listed. Thrall has crazy sustain and is fairly easy. If you go Tychus, never ever pick Odin, just pick drakken drill and be a nightmare for tanks.
Rehgar is doing kinda bad at the moment, be he still shines in the right hands.
Artanis is overall pretty bad at higher levels of play, but he will reck noobs.
Dehaka is meme-tier niche pick. He does pretty well on nuke map, but not so much generally speaking.
TLV is good if you've got good map awareness and can position well with 3 different heroes at a time. If you think this is too much for you, or you can't be aware of what is happening in 3 lanes at the same time, then it's a no-go.
Good old low diamond drafting
hotsfags, i'm a dota 2 player trying your game out for the first time. please explain to me how cho'gall is balanced in the slightest.
>>161380489
because he takes 2 players to play and you have a 5v4 advantage you retarded shitter
>>161380560
right, i understand he takes two players to play, but he was still unkillable in the last game i played. even with 5 heroes he was able to mop the floor with us.
>>161380609
>ur bad
>>161380609
>Any amount of Crowd control
>Anything that induces vulnerability (Xul's amp damage bone prison basically makes it so he can't exist in team fights)
>Anybody who can take % health related talents like Giant Killer will absolutely shit on his existence, especially if it's Illidan, Greymane, or Kael
>>161380609
He's not that strong, your whole team must have been very bad to lose 5v2. He also gets destroyed by Tychus and Leoric, or even anyone who can get % health damage talents like a lot of assassins.
The biggest drawback of cho'gall is losing a body to soak xp, as well as when you kill him you kill 2 players. If he was op he would be played all the time, but he is generally a burden on the team that is why he sees so little play at even an average level.
>>161380609
%health abilities (tychus, leoric) wreck him. He also puts his team at a body disadvantage, meaning they're not as flexible for soaking or rotations.
>>161380489
Hi there.
>4 bodies instead of 5 leads to reduced map presence and potentially soak
>deaths twice as punishing
>vulnerable to crowd control (Brightwing Polymorph)
>very vulnerable to vulnerability (Tyrande Mark)
>extraordinarily vulnerable to %-based damage (Tychus, Leoric)
>just easily countered in general
He can be quite oppressive in Quick Match, though, where you may not have the Heroes to shut him down, or where people are hesitant to engage because of his range, poke, etc.
Also; playing him requires a friend, and this is Hots.
>>161381004
That said when you manage to get everything to work out on Cho'Gall it's fucking magical
>Constantly refreshing shields in the bouncy mine-field
>Shadow Bolt Volley being fucking amazing
>>161380489
>Dota 2 player
>be retard and play retard titles
>be salty about hots
>says it's for casual
>tries hots for genji skin
>gets absolutely recked by "casuals"
>cries about the most counter-able hero being OP
>has yet to realize that all heroes in hots are viable in theory and there are literally no comfort picks, no comfort itemization, no comfort arm-chair strategy and that the game tests your true strategic skill, combat skill, awareness and sportsmanship
This has been QM and HOTS in general ever since the Oni Genji skin promo.
Just go back to your DOTA and leave us "casuals" with our game.
Thank you.
>>161381328
>>has yet to realize that all heroes in hots are viable in theory
Gazlowe
>>161381374
he's pretty good on some maps
>>161381328
>there are literally no comfort picks
Is this bait?
Everyone has their comfort pick(s). The hero they are most comfortable playing even if they're not "good".
That's the definition of a comfort pick.
Shit, I watched some guy in Grandmasters who has fucking Nazeebo as his comfort pick.
should they put a daily cap to the amount of bots games that you can play? I feel like the majority of the people play vs AI since the queues are much shorter
>>161381374
he is currently the hero with the 4th highest winrate on hotslogs atm. What the fuck kind of shit are you trying to spew?
>>161381090
Hell yeah.
>dota friend mentions hearing something about cho'gall
>explain hots thing, he wants to try it out
>after a couple Vs. AI we queue for some quick matches
>infinite poke and tons of mobility
>do a 2v4 boss invade at level 20
>hammer their team into the wall
>piercing shadow bolt volley melts them
>>161381328
>this whole thing
Relax.
>>161381476
No, putting a cap probably wouldn't force them into Quick Match, or Ranked. They just wouldn't play.
>>161381476
They had a cap on how much experience you could earn from bot games, I don't know if that has been removed. But if people want to play against bots all day let them.
>>161381637
but they make the game look deader than it really is :(
>>161381471
Well maybe i went a little overboard with "no comfort picks". I'll rephrase it to "near zero cookie cutter-build". If you play the same shit every game, eventually you will get countered. Nearly everything can be countered if the person you play against is skilled enough.
I bet you he doesn't pick the same heroic every game, and has a slight variance in talent-choices, and also knows when Nazeebo is absolutely not viable in the current draft.
>tfw you get the godly boss steal that singlehandedly wins the game
People who don't take increased knockback on Face Melt are retarded.
>>161381723
>I bet you he doesn't pick the same heroic every game, and has a slight variance in talent-choices,
His only Nazeebo build variance is
>do they have enough rightclick to justify not taking superstition
>>161381637
Yeah, it was 2,250,000 or so.
The cap is removed if you have a Stimpack active.
>>161381568
I think he has always had a pretty reasonable winrate.
>people who pick him into raynor and kael'thas
>people who take robo and (poorly) merc, invade and split-push all game
'Dunno. Tempted to play only Azmodan and Gazlowe on a spare vulture account and see how far I can take the two.
alright nevermind, apparently this is the player distribuition across all the game modes, I guess QM has longer queue times because of all the matchmaking rules
>>161381793
Yeah to be fair there are a lot of talents where it's like 'why would I ever consider anything else'
Like gee do I want a respectable increase in my ability range or do I want to do slightly more damage with my spiders or frogs
I wonder how many talents are like that, I'd love to compile a list if I had more gamesense.
Disengage's stealth seems like another pretty good candidate
>>161381920
There's a silly amount of complaints regarding Matchmaking.
>omg they got johanna and we got Chen/Rexxar
>they got malf and we got tassadar
>we got valla/raynor and they got artanis and li-li
>why did we get two tank
>sonya isn't a real tank
And so on. Because Quick Match isn't meant to be a mixed bag.
>playing mr. waternoose against murky
>have an idea of where his egg is
>lob a globe in the general direction when he dies
>1-shots them both
>there's no all chat for moments such as these
>>161381793
Honestly for all we know, he could merely have slipped through the cracks and gotten lucky. I find it hard to believe a GM would be comfort picking at all and not be flexible to the current meta at all. If he is the 1% of GM's that comfort picks, then i don't think it justifies assuming comfort picking to be a viable approach to climbing in rank.
>>161382115
>thinks sonya is a tank
>thinks double tank isen't viable
>thinks either re
t. bronze
>>161383069
He does flex a lot (although he mostly ends up playing the same pool of heroes because of metagame) he just really likes picking Zeebo when the mood and map strikes.
Zeebo's his highest winrate hero with like 50/70 games won or something iirc.
>>161383271
Well, then he is not comfort picking, then he is merely preferring to play zeebo.
Comfort picking is picking a hero you like and are good at, when it is detrimental to your team and not a viable option.
I like to play Xul on Spider map and Halloween map, but i can easily go for a different specialist or tank/heal if it calls for it.
>>161335541
There was a firelord hero unit in w3 frozen throne but not one called Ragnaros.
>>161384094
The elemental lords played a big role in the war of the ancients right? That's like the background story to all of Azeroth.
>>161384238
>literal background "characters" from lore nobody cares about are in the game
>characters from the actual games like Mephisto and Cain aren't because LUL DIABLO
I also think blizzard has honestly forgotten how to make non-assassins.
>>161384324
>diablobabs thinking they are relevant
>>161384358
>still being this butthurt about the Diablo event
>>161384324
If they just added the remaining 10 relevant diablo heroes, they would run out of diablo heroes to add overall.
>>161384469
better shit up the roster with 50 flavor of the month warcraft assassins then amirite
>>161384445
We've had a Diablo event and a Starcraft event, but no Warcraft Event, and they are still complaining like crybabies.
Just admit Warcraft is the superior franchise when it comes to Heroes and Lore, and that Starcraft/Diablo is sub-par in those categories.
>Play murky
>Have a lot of fun
It's a good thing to be bottom of the barrel league since people can't deal with murky
>>161350823
I wonder how powerful would a talent reset as a trait would be. Since he is all about adapting in hearthOTS
>>161384815
If they really wanted to make Dehaka interesting, then his trait should be something along these line:
Resistant Adaptation: Become more resistant towards the type of damage you receive.
Obviously with caps and stuff for balancing.
Also maybe something like, increase total health by 0.25% of the total damage you receive, every time you receive damage.
>>161384978
>Also maybe something like, increase total health by 0.25% of the total damage you receive, every time you receive damage.
Total damage soaked varies from 50-100k in a good game. That averages at to 125-250 bonus health.
Make that shit at least 2 percent, else it's not worth talking about.
>>161385392
Maybe 1% of damage taken from minions/towers is converted to total health.
2% of total hero damage is converted to total health.
Make him able to talent into increased damage to health conversion from either AA damage or Ability damage?
>>161384978
>>161385392
Dehaka: "I do not need a wall, I will evolve armor. I do not need a weapon, I will evolve claws."
Kerrigan: "The toolmakers might create something stronger than your armor and claws."
Dehaka: "Their tools stay the same. I collect. I change."
a
>>161385873
>their tools stay the same
Nice assumption dehaka, no wonder you are shit
>>161384978
make Adaptation (R) into a passive thing that does that and leave the active part. bam. viable.
I want to git gud as Madivh.
I have thought about becoming the guardian every day, even now i desire it.
>>161386438
*Medivh
Why are blizzard and plebbit pushing so hard for esports? The golden esports age has long past and hots isn't remotely interesting to watch.
>>161386504
*medif
>>161386514
Makes you think this game is not pointless
>>161386438
things you need to be good with medivh:
1. Friends that don't suck
Lol teenage angst lol FML I hate my life haha
At least I have my /b/Ariel
Reminder
>>161387070
>facebook pleb
>>161386989
are you lost, little robot?
>>161387419
Y-yes
>>161387963
*unzips dick*
>>161388307
You unzip your dick? What the fuck kind of abomination do you have for a dick?
>>161389001
leave this place
>>161389078
AND NEVER RETURN
*fiery eyes in a block of ice*
>>161389078
I ain't leaving, you're autistic and down right fucked up retardedness is entertaining me.
>>161389228
>you're autistic and down right fucked up retardedness
what did he mean by this boys
How to play tank? I usually just jump in and spam my abilities and the closest target and then attack people who aren't attacking me to get their attention.
>>161389573
at the closest target*
>>161389573
Most tanks play differently, but generally you should be thinking like this atleast every 10sec after level 10. Pre-10 is soak-phase and you should mainly be soaking and doing objective when it spawns.
1. Is a teamfight about start?
2.If yes, then get there as soon as possible.
3. Is my backline safe?
4. If no, then zone out potential divers and keep backline safe.
5. If yes, can i zone out/stun/bodyblock or punish bad positioning?
6.If yes, do it, but if possible, be able to disengage whenever it gets unsafe or if your backline gets exposed.
7. if no, do you even want to fight right now? Are you ahead in levels? is a friendly camp pushing a lane? Are you fighting for objective? Do your teammates even have mana to fight right now? Is everyone from the enemy team currently visible from the map? Are you outnumbered?
8. if no (you don't want to fight), then don't fight, ping retreat and beg to mother god that your backline retreats with you and respects the tanks decision-making. If they don't, then you simply don't have a choice and will likely be blamed for being a bad tank. Be prepared for that.
9. if yes, start the fight by engaging, whilst trying to repeat 6. as much as possible.
10. ????
11. profit
>>161389527
He meant what he said, now take your medication.
>>161386438
You have to master portal prediction, where they could be useful in a few seconds. Then you have to learn thinking like an assassin and like a support at the same time, dropping your shields at perfect moments and finishing enemies off with portal dives.
And then ragequit from playing him, because all the hard work is useless when your teammates don't use the portals.
Did they remove the "play as x type of hero" quests? Haven't gotten one in a while.
>>161391895
>he
nice try
>tuesday
>maintenance
Who's ready to purge insects?
>>161392536
I sure fucking am. Day one buy. I have 75k gold.
But Blizz can steal my real money by making the skin bundle exclusive. I am so hype.
Did the game manage to maintain momentum since the Nexus challenge? Any of the new blood stick around? I had to take a break for the holidays.
>>161392007
i got play 3 games as warrior just yesterday bro
>>161303165
Done.
>>161292313
Tfw high mmr, man.
I play against Kingcaffeine and k1pro all the fucking time.
>>161310207
You defend on immortal after the first. Easy kills and free immortal, especially since it can be pushed properly since the enemy team was dead. W build is correct.
His only problem was not following the "A team with a bad plan is better than one person with a good plan".
>>161324710
I once wanted to get my friends playing and they refused to do QM, despite having played other MOBAs. They even refused to do Vs AI with real teammates.
We ended up playing with AI teammates and lost. Lost hard. It was incredibly disheartening.
>>161326979
Nova.
She literally says "nothing personal".
>>161294807
just 4 you anon
>>161393885
But she means it from a purely professional standpoint.
>>161394090
>having to tell the person you just killed "No hard feelings? :)"
There's always been edgy characters, now people think it has to be full blown OC for it to be considered so.
Nova is moderately edgy since she's cocky and apathetic for anyone she kills (Only from what I've seen In WoL/HotS(SCexpo)/HotS since I haven't played those missions packs which I have no doubt will paint her as a strong female lead who don't deserve none of the shit she's put through.
Alarak/Leoric/(Space Lord)/Ragnaros are all pretty edgy in their own ways.
Ragnaros is supposed to be a supernatural entity, so his values are to be judged from a different viewpoint, but from a human viewpoint "ALL SHALL BURN HAHAHA" is pretty edgy.
Leoric is corrupted by demons n shit, another supernatural entity that works completely different than how humans have progressed thus far, so he legitimately enjoys the suffering and death he inflicts. However Space Lord Leoric is, in my opinion, more willing than his other self. He's also much more brooding, while he does reveal in combat he doesn't express as much joy in the act of killing as he does reverence for the power of the dark side.
Alarak is just an all around bastard. He's conceited, has no sympathy for others and treats them all as tools or obstacles to be disposed of according to his whim.
>>161375710
Learn to the ultimate safety cushion of Play Again.
You end up with literally dozens of deaths.
>>161295063
i know, right.
>>161295186
>not liking furshit
its literally the best
>>161295661
literally perfect. why wont incase draw more?
>>161394721
>dozens of deaths
Dying more than a single dozen times is not recommended.
If so you picked the wrong team to go vikings with because there's no pressure anywhere on the map.
>>161395018
QM baby. Some of those games I win.
I've given up on being good with Vikings. Especially given Li Meme and whatnot. After one of those games, I said "gg shit vikings" and got a laugh.
They still win games that shouldn't have been unwindable at times.
>>161394701
None of those have anything on mister edgelord himself; Illidan Stormrage.
>>161395935
I ALONE MUST ACT
literally ded game
>>161395576
As someone who loves vikings and plays a lot of other heroes, let me tell you there's probably 20 other heroes that are even better at winning those "unwinnable" games.
The damage they bring to the table is almost completely ignorable until level 20, any assassin with half a brain can pick off a viking in half the time it takes you to hit the corresponding key and whatever key you have bound to center on character, or clicking the minimap like a casual.
Their whole gimmick is constantly soaking and being able to provide pressure on objectives.
They're easy to pilot on two lane maps, where you can get plenty of control over objectives and still have erik camping lanes and running to siege camps, but being on a smaller map also makes it easier for the enemy to keep track of your shitlings.
That being said, when you're 5 levels above the enemy team and have 50 something globes, or when you throw Olaf and Balog into a keep then have erik spawn them on the other side of the map to take a different keep it can be a pretty good time.
>>161395935
Lets see you get raped for 10,000 years by some smoker-voiced turbo dyke while the girl you love drools over your brother's cock and not get a bit bitter.
>>161395935
I've always given Illidindu a pass on his edginess, 10,000 yearsgives you such a crick in the neck
God damn dps Kharazim is so much fun
I really want Sonya's big cock. I want her big tan/chocolate shaft. I want it, at fully erect, laying on my face, covering my eyes, her heavy musky balls resting on my chin. I want to lick her tip, and give her little kisses to make her throb with anticipation. I want to stroke her, her foreskin rolling up and down. I want to roll my tongue around her head. I want to taste her salty pre. I want to feel her cock pulse and her balls tighten as she bites her lip with brazen lust. Then I want to take her in my mouth, her massive girth stretching my jaw to aching.
I want her to lose all pretense and just grab the back of my head, her strong hands gripping my skull and fingernails digging in as she thrusts forward, her cock sliding past my tonsils.
I want to feel her balls slap against my chin and the air to escape my mouth with a whorish 'glug'. Then I want her to use my face like her own personal fucksleeve, ramming her pelvis into my face over and over again, barely giving me a chance to breathe. Finally once she has been thoroughly satisfied she would hilt herself inside my mouth and shoot her hot thick ropes of stringy sticky jizz directly into my stomach, filling me up.
Am I gay?
>>161397448
>already picked Jo
>enemy team picks monk as heals
No one's getting out alive.
So what's the word? Rag out today? Or at least on PTR?
>>161397503
It's not gay if it's a girls penis anon.
>>161396321
My Viking comeback games are always ones that drag on waaaay too long.
Admittedly, if the enemy team stopped doing camps they'd have already won, but hey, two minute long death timers when mind is not.
>>161311059
>He's never polly-bombed a samuro
Why even pick medivh?
>>161327206
Daily reminder that Brightwing is your frand and will always love you like a brother.
>>161398605
I want to sniff Brightwings butt
>9:23
>maintenance still going
BLIZZAAAAARD
WHATTHEFUCKAREYOUDOING
>>161395935
>>161396081
>>161396321
>>161396841
I really like tassadar
>>161399127
>got tassadar to level 11 before Mines removal
>haven't played him since
Bring back storm build.
Make archon great again.
Don't get me wrong, I love walling people off, never dying and tossing out shields left and right, but he's not like he used to be.
>>161399453
I had a 75% wr with old tassadar. FEELS AWFUL MAN. I used to shitpost that I was THE tassagod.
I used to main disc priest, khalas embrace is fun.
I have so shit at some heroes also need to run the uploader again
>tfw you discover sylvanas
how fun
>>161399064
>Malfurion a furry
kek
>we expect the service to be available at 9am
>we expect the service to be available at 10am
Fuck you
>>161383119
Those aren't my personal opinions, just complaints I see pop up quite a bit regarding Quick Match.
>>161399064
Good grief.
Any news about the new hero?
>>161402267
Stop posting this, damn near avatar fagging.
Not to mention you need spoon feeding.
We've already seen all his abilities, all we need now are the talents and numbers,
>>161402267
I hate posters like this.
>>161391973
nice meme
>>161402610
>10:32
>maintenance still not over
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTHEFUCKARETHEYDOINGDOWNTHERE
>>161402832
Having a sex
>>161402440
>>161402610
This is the only thread were people got this buttravaging mad. Is it this painful? I still believe in you guys. You can do it.
>>161402974
You should see it when somebody draws a comparison between Hots and League/Dota.
Or mentions League/Dota at all.
>>161402974
>don't think for myself
>when people say things at me that I don't immediately understand I assume they're mad
>inform them as intelligently sounding as possible of how mad they are but sound polite while doing it because I want to be the bigger man
>walk back into the other room and eat my top ramen alone
>>161403038
I personally think Sona from LoL is more enjoyable to play than any hots hero, but hots is the better game overall.
>>161403108
Anon's a good man, anon.
YOU ARE ALL SO BAD AT THIS FUCKING GAME. HOLY SHIT
>>161403274
The only two characters in League I enjoyed were Jhin and Braum, but damn did I enjoy them.
That being said tanking in HotS makes you feel much more effective than it does in almost any other moba.
>>161403307
>thinking that presuming the best = not judging others
>>161403357
>placed at diamond 3
>start climbing into masters
>absolutely nothing changes
Just run into enemy team and mash buttons.
This is 300% more fun as ETC
>>161403597
>Braum
Reinhardt when.
>>161403274
Wish Hots had the following of either of those two other games.
>none of the friends want to play becaused e a d
>>161403763
I'm mentally challenged. What do you mean by e a d?
>>161403763
How about a hook hero that isn't completely irrevelent?
>Those delicious thresh tears
>>161403763
>Reinhardt when.
REINHARDT
WHEN
>>161403597
I wish there was a tank like Trundle. He's the only lol champ i find really well designed without being toxic.
A tank who's main goal is to make the enemy tank less useful than he is.
>New "Oops! All Gall!" mode where 5 players control Gall on a team, while a sixth AI partner for each team takes control of Cho. Cho'gall doesn't have six heads, but this is the 1v1 mode you've all been waiting for where every fight is a teamfight! Special health buff present to account for the additional players involved in using Cho'Gall."
this is it
blizzard has hit us with the ultimate meme with the new brawl
>>161403942
seriously would it be too good for stitches' hook to grab people through structures (I mean allied structures like walls, gates etc.)? It has zero playmaking potential
>>161403892
It's a subsection of Nintendo of Japan.
He actually means that blizz is helping them with a Nintendo MOBA that will come a few days after the launch of the switch
>>161403357
But I'm GM!!!!
>>161403892
Whoops. Same. No coffee.
>>161403942
>Thresh
That'd be a neat kit. Wonder if we'll ever get Roadhog.
>>161404013
>another way to stop teammates recalls
i want this
>>161404013
I don't remember the specifics but Arthas is nearly there.
Hard area denial, good burst, good sustain.
>Game is back up
>Nothing new
I don't know why I expected early updates. I want to buy Varian at 10k damnit.
How do I do ok with Kerrigan? I like her kit and the character itself but I can NEVER hit anyone with her combo.
Am I supposed to place her w first and then pull them with her e or is it the other way around? I usually go for the raidus increase because I can't hit them otherwise.She reminds me of a gimped cho'gath to be honest.
>>161404217
Arthas just doesn't feel the same way. Maybe if he could make a pillar of frost instead of the root (which btw takes much more skill to land than Trundle's pillar). Or made into something similar to Nazeeboo's wall
>>161404165
>Roadhog
I'm hard pressed to buy into blizzard making stitches even more useless.
>>161404013
>there will never be a singed like character where enemies kill themselves trying to get you
stop talking about league right this instant
>>161404594
W->E
I'm assuming you're at shit level where nobody tries to juke. Just place your W so it hits if they aren't moving/running away.
Once you reach level where they start juking just don't combo and autoattack them until they stop juking.
>>161405257
That's half the assassins in the roster.
I take like thirty magic shits to the face whenever I chase a li-ming down.
>>161405327
>magic shits
>li ming
you are encouraging it
>when the forced 50 kicks in
>>161404594
It's generally W>E from what I can tell. Sometimes you Q onto them first, sometimes not.
as >>161405279 mentions you can sometimes just hold the combo until they stop juking, or get hit by something else first.
She's actually so fucking good right now, especially on Infernal.
>4 people shitting in their base on dragon shire
>can't end
>get DK
>rush core to end
>suddenly 4 people back out of base
FUCKING WHY?
WHAT FUCKING LOGIC CAN A MORON POSSIBLY HAVE?
Tyrande rework when? Her AA build is useless just remove it completely or make it work
>>161405854
Not soon but still sooner than one might assume.
alright diablofags, explain to me why diablo's flamethrower ability is called lightning breath
>>161405854
They really need to buff her assassin build like they did for monk, she was really the first "multiclass" character in between a support and assassin with a lot of buillds.
>>161328874
was this drawn by a korean? it looks like it was drawn by a korean
I tho cocktail build was just a meme
>>161406480
What is this "flamethrower" ability? The warcraft one?
>>161406480
because the people who made it suck
>>161407419
wtf why is it fire in HotS
>>161407505
I don't think it is.
>>161407505
I wonder what his farts are like
>>161407598
come on there are some lightnings in there but it's mostly fire
>>161406480
In D3 when you fight him it comes out more like lightning, and also has sparks of lightning in it and lingers in the air when he shoots in at you.
>>161357081
Oi vey. Throwing games to get bronze 5 then throwing more to get 0/1000 rank points was the most fun i had in this game. I'd pick shit like artanis and do 0 hero damage
>>161408394
>tfw actually tempted to do this
Wonder if I should tank mmr in qm/unranked first
>>161408394
did you upload your games to hotslogs to see if you can get negative mmr?
Why I love so much burning rage? Same as in LoL with sunfire cape.
Is there more rpgs or arpgs games that feature that kind of aura?
>>161409720
Because you're bronzejust like me. I love those too.
RAGNAFAGS BTFO
NO PATCH LUL
>>161410503
patches are on wednesdays usually what are you talking about
>>161410849too soon executusxDDD
>>161411045
>>161408726 just finished uploading to hots logs and my hero memes is only 649 MMR
>>161408534
>tfw no duo q bronzies to throw games with. feels bad man
>tfw lowest MMR out of whole team
feels good man
>>161411119
Initially the idea of smurfing in Bronze didn't seem nearly as fun as in League, but then
>play Heroes I'm too shit to get away with on main account
>last pick abathur
>first pick murky
>go for infinite turret duration gazlowe and just put five in every bush on the map
>can't get banned for anything except MAYBE afking/feeding like shit
Might place Diamond on an account then just go on the biggest loss streak known to man.
>>161409720
i thought i was the only one
>smurfing in league with premade
>we all play tanks and build sunfire
>just walk through the enemy team and passively kill them
>garen doing pushups under tower
wish you could get as retardedly fed in hots like in league
Think I should start playing ranked?
>Second pick calls "zerat hozok"
>don't know what it means but I first pick zeratul just to deny him
>he instalocks nova and complains in chat
wew this should be a good match.
we've got murky and chogall too
>>161411916
Oh god the rest of my team is all in a party
Help
>>161411409
I'm so used to be the lowest MMR of my team that I actually feel bad when I'm issuing bans
who shitter tier here?
>>161412008
>Absolutely entirely no CCI guarantee you that Murky isn't taking octograb
>Against Artanis
There was no saving you
>>161411832
Yeah, I'd recommend getting started just as soon as you're comfortable.
>don't worry about rank/rating/mmr
>take everything with a grain of salt, especially from <master players
>>161411916
pls b ranked
pls
I always seem to have really low hero damage with Zeratul, but I feel like I always get bursted down as soon as I decloak. Should I be waiting till 7 to get Wormhole then just comboing everything, maybe vorpal back if I can secure the kill?
>>161412593
Murky did take octograb, though he didn't do too well with it.
>>161412989
Unranked, thankfully.
>>161410503
BALEET THIS :DD
>>161412278
Not me.
is warrior man 10k yet
>>161413505
>unranked
Fug. That was looking like quite the fiesta.
>>161413597
Nice, dude.
>>161356864
fuck you sean
When do I pick ravenous spirit on Nazeebo? Also fuck me Nazeebo + Chromie is so much fun
>>161415054
When the enemy team has literally no CC and no Ming, Kael, Jaina, Chromie, Zeratul, Nova.
>>161414382
I want to hold lunara's little hand
>>161412278
Me, I'm literally the worse player here, the only people with lower ranks are the ones that did it as a meme like gucci
>>161407147
Okay what's the cocktail build, I mean obviously you take cocktail talents but do you give up the attack range
LUNARA
>>161417864
nimbly strikes from afar, withering her enemies with toxins, then bounds away before anyone can lay a hand on her. Take care if you face her in the Nexus, or Lunara will make an endangered species out of you!
i feel like half the bad heroes aren't even bad
UPDATE'S OUT! FUCK TIME FOR RAGNAROS!
>>161418064
They really aren't, although it does depend.
>azmodan into tychus and falstad/dehaka
>gazlowe into raynor/kael
>artanis into li-li, brightwing and muradin
>murky into tychus, tracer, li-ming and literally any hero with a "takedown makes u stronger" talent
>>161417864
Top cute.
>Kharazim free week
oh boy, can't wait for a bunch of games where he goes full damage and then is surprised when we lose when the enemy has a Morales/Auriel/Brightwing with triple his healing
>>161418563
Isn't that sort of what he does now, though? I got the impression his new "heal" build is rather shite, and he functions best as a damage-dealing off-support.
>cho'gall free week
Whew.
>Tychus also free
WHEW.
>>161418536
When can we select our homescreen? I want the lunara homescreen back
Just had a game with 1 grandmaster in my team, two level 10s and a silver guy versus a master and 4 plats
How is this even possible
>>161419260
DED
GAEM
>>161419134
Well, they're used to promote the latest Hero, so we may never be able to.
>perhaps if we buy the new hero?
>>161419260
>the illusive bronze dragon
so when do these sales change
>>161417864
SOPPING
love being stomped
>>161421283
thats one push for either team and a victory though
20 minutes in those keeps may as well not even exist
>>161421417
we lost, got ambushed at merc camp
>>161419678
what region are you playing on?
>>161421089
WET
So many WoW heroes
"Is that the best healing you can do?"
>>161422624
CRIS SAUL FUCK ARAM
anyone here play doto? id like to get into it but not sure how much of my life would be wasted on learning the meta - keep in mind i literally never played it
>>161421687
Not mine.
Fellow said it was on NA, though.
losing my gold rank in express speed, all those teammate yummy illidans and varians diving in :^)
i love losing, it's my new fun time in this game
>>161422543
>he doesn't know
>>161423338
then pick tyrael, dive with them, enable them and win the videogame
>>161423708
if it only was so easy
>>161423338
>game against illidan
>win
>game against illidan
>win
>game against illidan
>win
>game with illidan
>lose
>>161423871
the problem is, the illidan is on my team.
also just dodged game with people already arguing while picking and gonna get demoted for that :^)
someone please just kill me
>>161423960
>>161423338
FRIENDLY REMINDER:
YOU are LITERALLY THE ONLY CONSTANT. This ISN'T A MEME, but the truth. Deal with it and git gud or just leave mate. You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is: never try.
>>161423960
>dodging in this game is like 2-3 losses
existence is torment friend
>>161424127
this, sort of
don't worry about rank and just focus on finding a way to git gudder
alternatively find way to be less shit
sweet! support quest FINALLY done I hate this quest
Huh, I didn't know you could send postgame whispers to people
even moreso confusing is the fact that someone whispered me talking shit but preemptively ignored me, why even bother
>>161425543
Spicy.
Care to share?
>>161425661
Nah, I already closed the game and it was one line.
I just wanted to pick his brain and figure out what would motivate someone to send a message to someone they're never going to see again for beating them in the least serious pvp mode other than brawl when I'm on a hero I've never played before and frankly I think my stitches was a bot because that nigga did not land more than two hooks the entire game
But I was denied that opportunity
>>161424220
>don't worry about rank and just focus on finding a way to git gudder
>alternatively find way to be less shit
i think i achieved pinnacle of what i can do, everything else now is just interaction with others...
>>161425975
>achieved the pinnacle of what i can do
>gold
am i reading this right
>interacting with others
depends what you mean by this
>>161424506
>he lacks knowledge
>>161425867
I sometimes whisper people when I enjoyed playing against them or when they were skilled.
>>161426285
>am i reading this right
i mean, i don't know what else to do to be better, i try to take camps, not die stupidly like a fag, help teammates, do objectives etc. i don't really know what more i can do
>>161426285
>depends what you mean by this
i don't know anymore myself i might be retarded
>>161426479
Yeah sure I can understand that but like 'ha ha i beat you'
>>161426560
They were probably afraid you were gonna beat them
>>161426705
I can assure you
That was never going to be a concern
>>161426507
hm i see
>camps
most people just take these whenever, and that's fine. Ideally try to get them prior to an objective when they're more likely to push uncontested.
>interactions
like, communicating with others in draft etc may increase winrate in short term, but doesn't necessarily improve you, and you won't always be able to coordinate with teammates
>ping boss after partial or full wipe, alternatively fort/keep/objective/core depending
>ping away from spooky things
>ping that you're coming in for gank
>ping overextended sylvanas trying to take free tower at 15 minutes
^ This type of stuff helps. Quite a bit. Also hero pool/picks of yours, but that's something else
>>161412278
Waaay worse.
Well I see the fandral malfurion is on the store, I didn't see it announced. No new voicelines and he still doesn't move his mouth or have a unique b animation.
>>161425543
What is annoying is you can have a feature now where someone can whisper you but you can only whisper them back if you are on their friends list. It's like why can they even whisper people not on their friends list if they can only receive whispers from people on their friends list?
>>161431052
His roots and shit look sick though.
It was in the dev vid. First Malf skin I like.
>>161412278
Im ashamed
is battle.net kill?
>>161434059
dead net
dead thread
dead game
sad
Brightwing's twin brother Darkwing
FUCKING
WHEN?
Where the FUCK is Maiev?!
Where the FUCK is the weekly balance update?!
>>161437893
>Weekly balance update
Who is this, Netherrealm?
I've got five blizzbucks left over from something I bought a while back, don't remember what.
Too bad 5USD buys literally nothing in this game. Thanks Blizz.
>>161438323
Wait for the winter sale if they have it again, it will be 50% off everything and epic skins go down to 4.99
>>161438323
Friendly reminder to avoid purchasing anything that isn't discounted.
>always wait for the 50%
>>161437893
>weekly balance
If only. I'm tired of seeing the same picks every game.
>anon, seven sided strike is bad against double tank comps
what did he mean by this...?
>play my first ever hero league game
>also end up with my first ever 253 ping spike while playing
>lose without the team having ever destroyed a single structure
I guess the hand of god has rolled the dice and determined that playing ranked isn't for me
I'm not looking to complete these placements and warmly embrace bronze fucking five because of matters out of my control
>>161442058
that was the wrong file name
>>161442058
>>161442187
Keep playing shitter. It's trying to determine your rank. Of course there's a chance of shit games.
>>161442352
I'm not going to feel like bothering to wait this long in queue again to get another team that cannot even give themselves the shred of dignity by five man rushing the tower at bot that had around half health (their lowest hp structure after 15 minutes) so that we'd have destroyed at least one fucking building
I play quickmatch to surf from one sided shitstomp to the other one sided shitstomp, not ranked where people play like they're win-trading.
>>161442680
>>161442058
It's just another game mode. Not
>>161442680
>raiding
Yikes.
>>161442834
Yeah, first 3-5 games will have 5-10 minute queues.
>>161442680
>US top 200
lol
>>161442915
Whoops. Meant to say that it's just another game mode and not to worry about it.
You won't get Bronze unless you lose all 10 in a row AND had a <45% win rate in Unranked prior.
I'm a whiz of a wiz. I mean, if ever a wiz there was that is
Can someone tell me how a competent Cho'Gal isnt the most bullshit thing to try and topple?
>>161403597
>mfw Jhin
So good. I really liked Shaco and Kassadin too. These 3 were by far the best champs for me. Such a shame LeL is a total garbage game otherwise. I put 4k hours into the piece of shit.
Tried the game again recently, still horrid. Tempted to reinstall Dotard 2 just for Techies. But they got nerfed over a year ago and still no change since.
>>161446712
They have huge downsides.
1. Giant Killer of any sort (% health damage)
2. Requires competent team.
3. One less body (soak, objective etc)
4. CC. You CC one body, you're effectively shutting out two players.
But I like them. A bro and I smash Cho'Gall together sometimes. Real good.
>>161445949
Li Ming might be cuter than I gave her credit.
Just finished my placements.
How did I do?
>>161448148
>skipped bronze, silver and gold
Nice, nice.
>Tyrande
Excellent taste.
>Hotdogs says that I'm gold on HL and platinum on QM
>Actually silver on both
is that site no longer keeping up? I have all my replays up to date
>>161449248
How can you tell you're "actually silver" in QM?
>>161449609
Not much difference between the skill level that I see in HL
>>161449818
An interesting point with some merit. However, you have to realise that ranks mean very little and the average player is genuinely shit at the game. I'm in Master and very frequently I have legitimately brain-dead pubs. I'm not one of those "wow you don't pick the same talents I do? you're terrible" as in, genuine 101 fuck-ups and no awareness.
Also, hotdogs is a good indication with good statistics, overall. But nowhere near perfect.
>>161449818
Wouldn't be surprised, considering silver to low diamonds are all the same.
Was this rexxar feeding, or was this just terrible matchmaking at work?
>>161450225
Even in Grind Master there are some shitters and many over-rated players. There are many ways to cheat the system, with the additive that matchmaking is poor and the rank system is poor.
>>161450321
Both.
>>161450352
Of course, but I was talking the general player. It's absolutely safe to assume your knowledge is lacking if you hang around anywhere under master rank.
>>161450528
It's a gradual scale of generalness (lack of a better word) where generally speaking, bronze is worse than gold, and so on.
>Get like 30-40 free meat from Murky
>Everything's great
>He gets Octograb
>Everything's bad
i love big throbbing cock in my mouth ~~ notice me senpai ~~ ahhh
>>161442058
You remind me those people that quit a class you paid money for. Why don't you grind and give it more of a chance.
You are not the only one that go on massive lose streaks.
I hover between 0-2000 points in masters. I lose 5 and 8 games in a row and most recently i've gone 11-3
I know a small group of people that dropped from single digit GM to D1 in a week or less. And that was this month. We are nearing the end of the season too so the lowest GMs are in the 2k points range.
>>161449818
>new account
>win a few unranked matches
>placements
>wah lah Diamond
>>161450321
Both.
>>161452028
Not him, but I found this a little reassuring. Thanks, Anon.
>>161407147
>impqu still plays
Only on EU
>>161452370
I am actually really tempted to do a smurf to see if that meme is true.
Also cydaea when?
now accepting bets
>>161453365
Blue team. They actually have a tank.
>>161453365
you win with nazeebo doing 80,832 hero damage
>>161453365
>solo tank anub meme
>>161453365
>gazlowe on red
Looks like blue won by default
>>161453594
pffft
>tfw early game was literally just varian, khaz zera and sometime jaina dive me and anub
They literally lost cause they're cocky voiping ass wipes who fights under a turret so i can earthquake and gaz clean up
Best waifu
>>161454083
are placements each seasons still based on your mmr from the last?
>>161454158
Yeah probably, I think what helped me a lot was winning the first few then it seemed like I moved up or down slower, like keeping around the same level of play.
>>161454278
forever gold i shall be rip
>>161454606
If you do better when the season resets it seems like you move up and down rapidly depending on your initial wins, then it tries to hone you in on a placement with the last few.
How do i talk in team chat after replying to a whisper?
post spiders?
>>161454952
>>161454914
press tab to cycle channels
>>161454952
Hit 10k should I buy Dehaka?
>>161455029
Thanks
>>161454952
>I'm not alone
can you explain to me why everyone does this
>>161456384
They can also just set their settings to only receive whispers from people on their friends list, so they can whisper you but you can't whisper back.
>>161456384
idk why can't game have optional all chat
why do people threaten to report you for toxicity because you asked them to be more careful when invading without vision
they're even worst in wow, you get a fucking novel after some arena matches
>>>>161454952
>>161455191
Top tier if you have the awareness to use globals. He's also getting buffed with making his burrow cancelable soon(TM).
Tongue and isolation are the hardest skillshots on a melee ingame, I think.
>>161456586
well actually i told him, in all caps, for the last 8 minutes of the game that he was a retard in the mental ward of the hospital and that he should pull his life support
>>161454952
>>161456384
It's an old wow meme, pretty infuriating, but it's always a loser.
Is there a group for the HOTS game farming with friends?
Plainbear#1647 if you want to do 1-2 hours of HOTS for free stuff in Overwatch and free heroes
>>161459638
No. Fucking get a life you miserable failure.
>>161459654
>wanting to get 3 new heroes in a game
Bro, come on.
>>161459692
>>161459792
Sure bro. Can you be more edgy about a guy asking to play games with people over the internet and get free stuff while doing so?
>>161459850
This is exactly why we need day of the rope. To hang retarded morons like you upside down as you die a slow and painful death. Libertarians say taxation is immoral - it isn't. But what is immoral is the tax on society that you have placed by existing. You are a deficit and in a perfectly fair and just society, we wouldn't be making deficits. I seriously hope you get killed in the upcoming civil war for being a cuck.
>>161460023
Are you a Katana? Being you sure are edgy.
>>161460047
maybe if you didn't sound like a broken record on repeat that could only say the word "edgy" my points would be invalidated but no, you continue to recite the same common shit that the rest of you robot-tier plebs say
>>161460128
Because you go out of your way to try to be as edgy as possible. Stop being a douchebag trying to seem edgy, and I'll stop calling you edgy.
>>161460178
You challenged me for the last one - naturally I would take that challenge.
This is also how i normally act in chat
This bitch is bananas since the rework. Goddamn.
Every merc camp had a nydus worm on it at one point, and when I was forced to back from pushing, I'd just heal in the worm, hop out at each merc camp, capping them all, then be right back in lane pushing.
Was split-pushed 3 lanes by my damn self.
>>161460568
Then the enemy team engages yours 5v4, stomps them, clears all your mercs in a 10 seconds lane rotation and claims a map objective/boss/keep uncontested.
But I agree solo splitpushing all game is your one-way ticket togold
>>161456384
>your reply escalating it like that
You probably whispered him first after a loss that I'm willing to bet was your fault, you salty silver fucker
>>161463254
Holy fucking shit. The layers of retardation you are on are absolutely fucking astounding.
Let's break this down you bronze tier piece of shit:
>implying I miss any teamfights when I can zip across the map faster and more frequently than any other hero
>implying the enemy team gets to send 5 people to a teamfight when I'm hammering on 2-3 of their keeps at a time
>implying there are ever any mercs up for them to take even if they did win a team fight
>implying I exclusively solo splitpush
>implying I play this way in ranked
>implying this strat wouldn't make it past gold despite it showing up in competitive games
I mean goddamn. I haven't seen a post so fucking stupid in all of 2016. Congratulations. I'm in awe at just how profoundly retarded you must be to spout such a thing while simultaneously being able to work a keyboard. If not, tell your helper it's time to put you down for a nap.Permanently.
>>161463832
calm down, faggot
>>161464129
You get an A for effort, sweety.
>>161379225
naw man. dat Yerl is OP. (i am talking about that ass bein OP)
>>161465541
wow stop posting any time
does desert queen zagara have themed abilities yet?
thinking about coming back and this is a dealbreaker.
>>161460568
>getting carried by a team that can win 4v5 in dust league
>"hurr im so good zag OP pogchamp"
>>161465786
I think she has themed hydras and roaches
I was able to get to rank 6 in the first season as chen
What does rank 6 equal to now and is my boy still viable?
>>161465786
Replaced voiceover never ever ever ever ever ever
>>161463832
>implying I miss any teamfights when I can zip across the map faster and more frequently than any other hero
I am implying that you are most certainly one of those faggot who tunnel vision merc camps and forts and does not participate evne though he could because let me just finish these knights on hte other side of the map
>implying the enemy team gets to send 5 people to a teamfight when I'm hammering on 2-3 of their keeps at a time
If you are just mercing you aren't hammering shit. I don't know if you noticed but a coordinated team can clear a puhs faster than you can solo a merc camp. If you really hare hammering on keeps then you are overextending, giving your opponents an opportunity to punish you, or worse, punish your team.
>implying there are ever any mercs up for them to take even if they did win a team fight
I was talking about YOUR mercs, retardo. Those mercs you worked so hard to solo? A full team can clear them in elss time than it takes you to head to another camp.
>implying I exclusively solo splitpush
Let's reread your post
>merc camp nydus back from pushing merc camp capping them all lane pushing
>implying I play this way in ranked
I'm pretty sure you do and have an around 40% win rate on Zagara if that
>implying this strat wouldn't make it past gold despite it showing up in competitive games
Name one recent competitive game where the specialsit just went fuck this shit I'm mercing when the whole opposing team was alive and/or there wasn't an easier ush in lane, like a wave to clear or a fort to demolish
In conclusion I agree with >>161465920, you are probably just a faggot who came here to post about how crazy good he is at his insect waifu after going 3/4 in quick meme.
why does chromie squeak when she uses shifting sands? is she autistic?
>>161469160
>is she autistic
>she
>a tranny dragon who deliberately cosplays as a shortstack at all times, even in battle
>not autistic
>THIS
>THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE
>THESE FUCKING HEROIC CHOICES ON THRALL AND LI MING
fucking triggered, we won the first 4 immortals, we were 4 levels ahead, then these fucking autists start saying shit like "we're winning anyway" and proceed to get deleted every teamfight until we're a butt cringing 5 seconds away from defeat
>>161471302
get gud lmaoo
>>161471302
this is bait
tfw your shitty team decides to throw a 5 level advantage in HL.
So many shitters in hots (diamond)
>>161471302
t. wood
>>161471428
>>161471703
>>161471892
4chan's finest hour
>>161454083
>>161471302
Have to appreciate it.
>those talents on raynor
>>161472653
>he's going all out
>>161472696
>>161471302
Earthquake is fucking fantasticif you're team can follow upand Tranquality has been pretty shitty since the "rework". Li-ming's notlaser ult is a fantastic pickagainst etc.
I mean the talent choices in THIS scenario is pretty shit.
Especially yours.
NEVER EVER grab aa modifiers if you don't grab a couple more, especially if you don't get nesux frenzy at 20.
>>161468195
basic Zagara is superior
>>161473094
>>161473237
also
>no new voicover
they will try only for legendary skins, hand over those shekels goy :^)
>these extra rank points
nice joke blizzard, 10/10 would laugh again
>>161473237
W H E N
H
E
N
Why does Blizzard have such a hardon for huge ass shoulder armour?
>>161474187
Is that Aidan or Iron Maiden album art?
>>161474296
At least it's not belts again...
>>161474296
'Dunno.
>>161474296
Warhammer.
>>161474348
Either is respectable.
I want to play this game but I need some friends to play it with.
>>161472696
I am a shortstackfag too.
>he doesn't go canoneer build on Ming
How shit can you get?!
>>161475495
we need some female goblin heroes in hots
>>161475650
http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-calculator/71-li-ming#hXdXTXaXkXfXWXHBA
>this isn't the build they use with Ming, alternatively with Force Armor on 1 and Fireflies on 16 to destroy shit like Tracer or Zeratul
how do you even get out of silver when people draft like shit and don't play as a team?
>>161474296
They took a few pages out of GWs book.
>>161476748
At that rank it's possible to carry.
Pick a self-sustaining interrupt hero like Varian or Artanis, or just go with a mage choice like Jaina, KT or Li-ming.
If you actually don't belong at that rank then you should have no problems getting out.
If you start to get good while at that rank you should have no problems getting out.
Half of this game is adapting to the "meta" and counter picks. Some fights are no winnable unless you count on the enemy team making a major fuckup.
>>161477086
huge shoulders have been a thing in wow way before GW
>>161295063
Not soon enough. Even better if she's thicc/fat.
>>161478028
>way before
>WoW 2004
>Warcraft II 1995
>40k 1987
>WH Fantasy 1983
I know this is probably a noob question but how the fuck do I counter illidan? I find that I can't escape him unless I'm behind tower, even then he just pops his e and gets out.
>>161479236
Stuns, Polymorphs and heavy sustained ability damage.
Best single counter there is is probably Sonya.
>>161479236
He has to keep swinging to keep his health up. Stun or blind and kill.
I want to git gud with Lunara help.
>>161481140
Stay away from divers.
Pick Attack Range talents.
Stack poison on multiple targets, learn to keep track of your stacks.
Stay the fuck away from Butcher and so on.
Pick the jump for mobile little shits like Li-Ming, don't do this in a CC heavy comp. When in doubt, pick the other one for better poke and waveclear.
Use Nature's Poison to instantly reapply three poison stacks to everything you've tagged.
Stay. The. Fuck. In. The. Backline.
It's totally OK to hit the enemy tank if that's the only thing you can safely reach, you need to know not to ever overextend or you're dead meat.
>>161481604
>It's totally OK to hit the enemy tank
>some people still think it's bad to hit the tank
I still don't get how anyone thinks it's good to tunnel vision the backline
Even a tank with Brightwing tier damage like ETC will completely fuck your shit up if he's left ignored, and using cc on the tank is only going to make their dps's dicks harder.
>>161482447
Brightwing does surprisingly good damage if she hits her flares dead on.
>>161482973
But even then her overall damage is still about 30% less than most supports.
how about we create a new thread before the ptr gets updated
>>161483320
>>161483320
>>161483320
start moving any time