/rlg/ - Roguelike General

MiBe

>>161185971
Monks operate in that (kind of stupid) realm of gaining damage and defense by leveling up, whereas other melee classes have to hope and pray for the right gear drops instead. This is what makes barehanded classes so playable, is that there's minimal gear progression from 1-30 and they're all basically balanced around being the perfect killdude at any given level, but then you need to fill your resistance gaps post-30 somehow and make compromises to damage.

tl;dr MONKS ARE EASYMODO PLAY A REAL CLASS HOMO

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>>161186573
SIR YES SIR PLAYING MY LAZY DEMIGOD SORCERER OF ZEUS RIGHT NOW

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>>161186723
BETCHA COULDN'T BRING A SORCERER OF ANY RACE TO 35

I DARE YA
I DOUBLE DOG DARE YA
NO MAN CAN GAIN 35 LEVELS AS A SORCEROR

>>161186573
>post 30 PCB
as a yeek monk I get to level 15 once I clear the wargs.
Then I clear stronghold, and I get to level 20.
Then I do the tengu and death swords quest because of *acid.
Then I do orc cave, Labyrinth, ubbo and by then I'm level 30.

Then usually do forest, camelot and then smaug.

Then I kill myself because I even as a yeek the game becomes a slog.

does it give you a prompt if you accidentally try to leave the realm of pan while the rune on that particular level is still not picked up?

>>161187203
i'm sure you could scum up to 35 just by zapping hydras who can't fight back til 20-25ish then buying books with telepathy and resistance and scumming young/mature dragons

65% liferating might instadie to a cyclops though, hmmm...

>>161188315
I vaguely remember yes but it tells you when you enter that it's one of the 4 uniques. The demonic rune keeps spawning until you get it

>>161188713
yeah I always pay attention to see if it says it's on the level, just wondering if there's a safety net

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great cleave is a fun feat even if it's kind of a waste and only useful against shitty nonthreatening enemies

killed 6 goblin things in one blow

also, check dat 176 damage crit at the end, holy shit

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>>161188973
>8d12+28

also holy FUCK i keep losing my armor in Incursion because the game automatically takes it off and DROPS IT when you sleep and i forget to pick it up again

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>>161189502
>Not sleeping in full suit of armor
>Standing upright
>With weapon at the ready

>>161189502
lmao

>>161189619
>Not pounding iron spikes into the walls and ceiling then using your spare counterweights and ropes so that you are constantly attacks the air around you while you sleep

i was wearing a blessed +3 suit of augmented plate

but i lost it somewhere and only noticed i was running around naked when i got gangbanged by more gremlins and died

>>161187203
im gonna splat a sorc

pickin demigod of hades because ohgodwhyistheirhpsolow

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i think I'm gonna cry

this is all that I deserve

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that's a lotta books

>>161190052
are you the anon trying to do hell instead of just going zot and getting your first win

if so, yeah you deserve it

>>161190052
>Mnoleg
>Not dropping angels and cleansing flame
>Pan with 4 int
You could have just worn a ring of int or randart. You're above GDA weight and plenty of dex for a good ratio of ev

>>161190148
>>161190128
tear me a new one if you must, I have already lost...

http://pastebin.com/m2XDxPzz

I had a moment where I could choose to leave the floor and the rune forever

I didn't take it

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Helping out Craft monks a bit.

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>>161190128
why would i do quests or enter the starting dungeon when i could just go south and spam my magic missile macro at hydras

>>161190462
if you're the sorc, it's just a small reduction to your mana pool. You probably still want to wear it?

What's the rules for sorc armor and casting stat?

>>161190942
armor encumbrance just lowers max sp the more it weighs
most classes have a weight buffer before they start getting penalties. sorcs have a really low one so wearing anything that weighs anything will reduce your mana pool

sorcs also have -50 to ac and lmaonohp, so you probably shouldn't get into situations where your armor matters in the first place

casting stat is chr

>>161191230
Int good for anything then?

>>161191289
int affects device skill, aka failrate with wands/staves/scrolls

not so valuable early but important later on, especially for high level shit like _destruction or _genocide which will have huge fail chances for a 3int barbarian warrior

>>161191289
int still helps your devices, though sorcs are already pretty good at that

use summons/pets/meatshields/wallofstone whenever possible to tank or prevent damage for you

>>161190510
I remember posting something last thread to the tune of,
Don't go postend before you win. It is not because postend is hard. It is because most people who do this die like literal (literal) retards (brainless mibe) or something equally stupid when you could have easily won and got the moral boost from that and played 15 runes another time. The game isn't going anywhere and winning without all the runes is still a win. You can always come back later, but overeager you finish your run too soon in the wrong way, like a premature ejaculator. And no one is happy.

I fear you won't even learn from this.

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>XL 10
>***...
>42 INT

I feel like maybe going Chei was a bit overkill. Which god would it be worth dumping Chei for?

>>161192568
It's really not. Chei is great for nagas. Stay the course.

>>161192568
chei str+int lets you wear armor so you can notdie and cast spells simultaneously

>>161192860
My current armor has *Contam. Supposedly you can quaff cancellation but I tried that last patch and it didn't work.

>>161191860

I just can't understand what's the point of winning with only three runes, especially on something like a MiBe. So I won, great, now what, I go win even better?

to me it just feels redundant to win with three runes because you didn't really win in the sense that you completed the game. you just reached a milestone and a conclusion to add legitimacy to your score, something I don't really care about personally. meanwhile all the demons of hell are laughing at your pansy ass as you squirm out of the dungeon

I try to play without much spoilering so I still kind of consider the realm of zot the pinnacle and probably the hardest area (ziggs probably actually are but whatever). I don't wanna know what lurks down there til I can walk down as the king of the dungeon. diving in and sneaking away the orb with three runes feels like thief/rogue kind of run (which is cool and all and I'll try to do it once my octopode stabber can get past D:4) but it's not something I wanna do as the the realest nigga to set foot in the pit. that's more roleplaying though I guess

>>161192568

You can cast Shatter/Tornado while by Lair:1 while Firestorm/Glaciate takes a liiiiitle bit longer probably by Lair:2 but if you ask me if it's overkill, it's not. More like, you're gonna need it.

>>161191860
>And no one is happy.

oh I'm happy man

it wouldn't be the same sort of satisfaction if I got the orb with just three runes, wondering what might have been. splatting sucks ass but that's part of the struggle. journey not the destination yadda yadda

>>161193298
to me it just feels redundant to win with three runes because you didn't really win in the sense that you completed the game. you just reached a milestone and a conclusion to add legitimacy to your score, something I don't really care about personally

winning 15 runes isnt completing the game either

don't enter zot until you've gotten 15runes with every combination of race+class and ascended a mumo, a loremaster, a DUHZ, that dumb kenshirou challenge, and a top-100 speedrun

>>161193298
Zot is fun. Since you're going to die anyway you might as well have some fun.

>>161191860

Fuck off 100k turncount 3 rune gargoyle. Your shitter attitude is the reason you only have a 1 digit or a >A FUCKING DECIMAL win"""""rate""""".

>>161193439
we set our own expectations and boundaries and it doesn't matter because we're grown men playing video games

if doing every single retarded combo to 15 runes is completing the game to you, cool bro. winning with 15 runes is just about completing the game to me but we all have our opinions, man

>>161193492
is it fun or is it ___FUN___?

like, theme park kind of fun or dwarf fortress kind of fun

>>161193406
>>161193298
>>161193439

You can literally just start another run.
>completing the game
This is just a boundary you are making up since you can't really complete a roguelike. By nature they are designed for multiple playthroughs.
If you mibes want to keep losing boring combos I guess that's your perogative though.

>>161193817
You haven't lived until you've fought the enemies unique to Zot. Especially ORB

>>161193986
>ORB

I've only heard whispers, a-are they real

>>161193920
>This is just a boundary you are making up since you can't really complete a roguelike

...but I could've (attempted to at least) and chose not to, because that particular achievement doesn't attract me, why does this trigger you

completing it takes the romance out of the goal man. the whole reason I like roguelikes is because the end seems impossible to reach. it's a god damn myth. someone tells me "oh you can take these three runes and go maybe win now", it's like why would you ever try and take the shortcut? it just undermines the mystique

>>161185859
>edition
Fuck you too, dumb rougelighter.

>>161193298
With the apport changes, haste removal, and cblink nerfs orb ninjas a lot more shit than it used to be. You can do it but there's no real reason to over just being able to kill

>>161193298
After getting 15 rune wins a couple times I've never looked back. Extended is just tedious, not hard.

>>161193691
Virtually everybody who didn't make a new account or learn offline has a small win rate.

>>161194521
>but there's no real reason to over just being able to kill

can you help me with this part

>>161194683
to kill orbs of fire, reduce their "hit points" stat to zero

i think liches work the same way but then again they're undead so who knows

>>161194731
that 'to' fucked me up, I get what you're saying now

>>161194479
Like I said. It's your perogative.

>>161194479
The greatest moment of my life was when some guy was making his first trip into Zot on /v/, being extremely smug and bragging about his broken armor and randarts, saying the game was easy

I was like "watch those orbs bro" and he was like "hahaha whatever"

15 minutes later he's begging us for help with most expendables gone and mutated into oblivion

>>161194659
Please don't respond to bait and shitposting /rlg/!

>>161194903
*prerogative

you're welcome

look it up

>>161195053

look what?

>>161194903
am I the only one that plays roguelikes like this? I see you negroes winning all the time and here I am almost not wanting to win

I dunno man if I wanted to try and find the most optimal unorthodox builds I feel like it just kinda becomes a spreadsheet simulator. just grab your shit, head down into the dungeon, do what you think feels best, and splat horribly soon after

>>161195053
I know what a purrrrrogative is nigga, end urself for omitting the first r

>>161195012
Stuff you don't agree with isn't bait or shitposting

>>161195873
The first post he responded to wasn't shitposting. The latter was lol u tk him 2da bar| tier.

>>161195053
Thanks. I always forget.

>>161195349
Probably not. "Just go win" wouldn't be common advice if other people didn't do the same crap as you.

>>161196461
but they do it through avarice, not romance, anon

>>161196601

>romance
>scroll up to see which board I'm browsing
>/vg/ - Video Game Generals

>>161196945
romance as in the desire for drama and storytelling, not sticky icky gross romance

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And made brands/etc apply to innate attacks as well ( they turn attacks without effect into branded ones. )
I still gotta adjust values and whatnot. Plus make vampiric effect to work ( could probably do it with proper effect-replacing. )

>>161196601
Romance and avarice are pretty deeply entwined anon.

>>161197239
nay, just the opposite. the avaricious gather quantities while the romantic seek qualities

>>161197073

So... basically the same thing? Take your normie horseshit with you to >>>/b/

>>161197386
what're you talking about this is advanced autism

do I actually not understand what avarice is?

>extreme greed for wealth or material gain.

nope that's what I thought it meant

>>161197347
Yeah okay lad.

>>161197517
I guess they are entwined but they are rather opposite still

>>161197195
Did stuff like craft spells just not work with unarmed attacks before this change?

>>161197889
Mana branding didn't, monks couldn't even learn it.

Innate attacks didn't get any benefits from brands, either. Now they can get the regular brands via spell or rings ( slay human/slay good from Nazgul rings ).

Actually, I probably should make those apply to monk attacks, as well, but I gotta bugger off to sleep.

>>161197195
Yeah elemental effects on innate attacks seem way more powerful than normal brands. That shit's going from 175 to 448 damage per turn.

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>try playing poschengband again
>get attacked by a sparrow in town
>kill it
>TRIUMPH.jpg
>a raven swoops in and rapes my shit

>doomrl will never be updated ever again

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hey anons, how many survival roguelikes are there?

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>umber hulks aren't detected by telepathy
welp, sorc dead

i just sat there chugging !curing and !ccw hoping to have one turn that I wasn't confused so i could tele away

why are staves of teleport only in the blackmarket again

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It's Sorcery Sunday! Remember to cast lots of spells!

>>161200307
spellcasting is for faggots

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>>161200398
t. mibe

>>161200176
1, https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983

>>161200216
Cause scrolls of detect monsters aren't?

>>161200216
>level 19
>99 HP

good lord, that's not okay
not okay at all

>>161200635
yeah that was fault
i even knew they were around
i just didn't telepathy didn't work so i wasn't casting nature awareness

>>161200724
also note the negative ac

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>>161200465
t.Qazlal Praise nature!

What's the easiest way to cheese levels for a really garbage character? I got to 25 using ogre bands and the anti-magic caves guardian trick that was mentioned here earlier.

Trying to get a hex mage up to 35 to metamorphose.

>>161201347
Zap hydra i nthe swamps
Zap young dragons in the mountains
Zap larger dragons in the mountains

Are there any tips to not die in IVAN? I keep dying to random bullshit that doesn't even remotely specify to when or how it happened. The pasta is useless btw

>>161202182
Exploits

>>161201347
can you fight dragons? go fly around a mountain

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>>161200307
will do

>>161201907
>larger dragons
Sadly I don't think 1d18 poison damage, 33 cold damage or flailing at it with mage melee is going to cut it.

This class has nothing offensive.

>>161203387
All kinds of WANDS

>>161203387
Why does the hex class even exist.

fuck does 900' or x' even mean

Can you actually remove tank treads from tanks and put them on your killdozer?

>>161203935
'bands measure their floors in 50' or 50 foot. Umuiyan the doorkeeper is native to 800', oikeroi is native to 850', telvido is native to 900' and they often coem with one of the other. So in this case at least one, potentially two spawned at least 3 floors early.

>>161204501
If it's a wheel slot check external, otherwise check for the greyed out installation inside a valid frame

>>161200176
Well

There's DDA

The original Cataclysm

Unreal World

And that's all the ones I know about

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>>161205162

>>161204791
ah I see

>>161204791
>check external
>otherwise check greyed installation valid frame
Your explanation reads like stereo instructions.

Can I salvage and remount treads. All I need is a yes/no.

>>161206156
Try with debug mode then you fucking faggot.

>another MiBe splatted in the Snake Pits

I'm never going to win this game.

>>161208123
Post your high score list

>>161208543
Can't take a screenshot or use snip tool when the game is in fullscreen

>>161208543

Do you really think that seeing his high scores would do anything? The fact that he's capable of splatting in Lair or even in D with an unlimited asspull and stupid regeneration and HP/AC means he lacks everything what a human with a normally functioning brain should have; like using a polearm on a minotaur. There is simply no existing remedies for this kind of stupidity.

>>161209648
Yeah, it does.

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I keep forgetting how squishy SpEn is.

What should I play to get the full IE or Necromancer experience in crawl?

>>161210124
Probably an IE or Necromancer I'd say.

>>161210154
odohohoho

What's like the minimum EV I can have as a heavy?

I'm sitting at 35 AC and 10 ev, with 8 sh from my boi Qazlal.

>>161210579

negative EV

Does pseudo poscheng make weaponsmiths usable without somehow finding an ordinary item better than one of the many hundreds of fixed artefacts?

>>161210847
no, pseudo generally stays away from big balance changes

the only change to weaponsmiths is letting them tinker with stuff they currently have equipped instead of needing to take it off first

>>161210847
I think their main problem is that while they can do cool things, you'll never find enough essence to actually do them.

But hey, in theory you could have gloves of slaying of genji, or boots of speed (+10 con) or +life on everything or whatever.

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>>161209648
Bully him one more time, I swear to God I won't hesitate.

How do I repair stuff with an integrated toolset?

I don't know how to activate it like a soldering iron.

>>161212426
you can only go up to +5 con

or you can add +3strdexcon, which takes like 10x as many essences

>>161209648
Why are you bullying me so much? I don't even know you.

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Apparently level 31 needs almost double the exp that 30 required. That's like a hundred mature dragons. And there's four more levels to go after that.

>dungeons entered: stronghold 1-3

>>161213431
But you can only have one value of plusses on an item, so if your base item is speed boots +10, you can put +10 stat on, I think. I'm not sure why else the tables go up to +15.

>>161213624
I think the game won't let you add bonuses to an item with a pval too high. No grabbing a hat with +6 searching and getting huegstats off of it

>>161200307
>carrying the torch
You make me proud, anon.

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Is this a new meme

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>>161215456

>>161215456
no, shitposting by photographing your computer monitor is not a new meme

>>161215456
it carries an ancient foul curse of arelgee

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I LIT A FIRE IN THE CUPBOARDS

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>161216061
Serves you right for using a sword as thin as your dick.

What is the strongest melee endgame? Bladehands? Dragon form? Demon Weapon + Shield?

>>161217086
tonberry blood-knight with 1hp and !invulnerability

or maybe a mauler with a bigass sharp slay evil randart

I'm gonna pinch your tummy, /rlg/-chan!

>>161217741
fuck you

>>161218157
Peeeeeeench~

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>>161217741
>>161218325
You are just embarrassing.

>>>/trash/
I'm sure this place has plenty of people you could do this nonsense with.

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>>161218416

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>>161217741
>>161218157
>>161218325
>>161218416
>>161218808
This is what happens when you eat animal corpses.
Make salad, not shitposts.

>>161218917
if i dont eat animal corpses how am i supposed to get intrinsic fire resistance

is there a mold that gives it?

>>161218917
fuck off I'll wait 'till I've ascended to try a conduct run
This game's hard enough as-is

also why would i make salad when there is delicious leftover turky + stuffing + gravy

mmmm

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tummy slaaaaash!

>>161210579
Well, I think you can get -8 just from armor and large shield. That said, 10ev is gonna get you mauled pretty hard when low acc high dmg enemies like Ettins just lay into you. It's doing two 58 dmg hits and you're only gonna get around 20 reduction. Especially without shields. 15ev is still in the danger zone. 20 is around where high AC+SH and EV really meld into a solid def. You're gonna have trouble with higher EV's depending on your stats, armor weight, and apts.

>>161218982
>>161219016
That's pretty good lads.

>>161219381
seriously though
resistances how

other than playing dynahack and wearing chromatic dragon scales

>>161213547
Just do what normal people do and clear the lowbie dungeons then start going into the wide range of mid-level dungeons and start creeping forward a couple floors in one, recall over to another and repeat.You'll be knocking off uniques and since you're in stat pot range you'll be racking up vital gear and stats. you kinda just get through those shitty levels justp laying the game

>>161216061
Next time, unload your liquids onto it

>>161217086
Demon weapon+shield is bulky but can have trouble breaking AC as much without slay. Bladehands is about as strong as a +9 triple sword of applicable brand through you lose the shield of mindless tab. DForm is the most damaging but you lose even more defenses.

>>161194659
Joke's on you I got my first few wins offline but I never use my full powers online. In truth If I wanted to I start a random character and have a 50-100% chance of surviving and getting the orb.

>sequel do code gayass announced
>/a/ completely loosing it
I needa good combo to let off steam
holy fuck give me something that isnt mibe

>>161215456
>literally a photo of screen
this is better than cropping curse

>>161220261
ANDROID MAULER

BE THE ANGRIEST, SMASHIEST ROBOT
AND STOP PLAYING CRAWL

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>>161194659

>e-extended is just tedious! D-d-definitely not hard! I promise!

>>161220635
>android
sounds like something from PCB or SLEX, both of which are absolute garbage worse even than crawl

>>161220261
Vampire enchanter of battlemage Hep

>>161220647
>have an extended kit
>If n, go win
>Run around extended smashing dat MF regen key
>Buff and puff
>Cheese tomb with ligs, immo's and blink silence
>Grab orb and go home

>>161220647
crawl is hard but also tedious

i got like 3 wins and then stopped playing

>>161220261

Cunt this is not the time for this no fun shit. JIBUN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>161220885

>le extended kit maymay
>if you don't have the (((extended kit))), go (((win)))

>>161221226
You can do it but it's a pest that's not worth it just to fellate yourself.

>>161221226
With Gozag, no fags allowed

>>161220647
It really is not that hard. If you can get through mid-game, you can get through extended, unless your character is really gimped equipment/power-wise

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Oh, what could this be?

>>161221483
No way in hell there isnt a terrible downside to that.

Strikes me as Deathscythe: pendant edition

>>161220885
>VpEn^Hep BM
on my way senpai

>>161221748
Doesn't seem so beyond being unable to put on something else for a nonelemental resist

>>161221861
Happy disabling and channel zapping!

>>161221916
>Doesn't seem so beyond being unable to put on something else for a nonelemental resist
Well, thats fucking amazing then. Boots of Faenor-tier.

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>>161221358

>>161221483
this a new addition in pcb-R?

>>161221941
It enables ironman_nightmare.

Maybe too cruel. Perhaps instead I should make it just disable free action and enable the nightmares when you fall asleep.

>>161222071
>Unlisted spoiler
T-thanks....

>>161222071
>It enables ironman_nightmare.

You

Fucking

Monster

That is so evil and in the spirit of PCB, I love you

>>161222071
DO YOU WANNA GIT SICK GAINS TO LIFT THE DUDES? FIND OUT THE SECRET WITH JUST ONE LITTLE PENDANT!
Is it at least pretty easy to get?

>>161222227
>>161222217
To be honest, you can rid of it with ?mundanity ( I moved the effects to check p_ptr->ironman_mode instead, except for scoring. ).

Plus, it is bit too sweet deal, considering it has that permanent curse. Anyone should know that it is bad news on item like this. I could probably allude to it, but eh...
Might even boost the power a bit, adding some rarer resistances to make it off.

>>161222325
Rarity is at the moment 70.

>>161222401
The fact the amulet is permanently cursed and has a scary inscription is enough.

Perhaps add something like 'You can hear faint screams emanate as you touch the pendant, really put it on? y/n'

>>161222458
I don't speak PCB

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>>161222523
Yeah.
Made it just bit more obvious.

>>161222583
Higher = rarer.
So it is rather rare for an unique. Lot of high-power ones have rarity of 100, Faenor has 120, the general element-branding gloves have 25 etc.

It still is not probably not worth using, although would work as reforge-material ( although it would cost 1.83 mils to reforge it ).

>>161222774
Pretty cool idea.

Does nightmare apply instantly? make sure you cant just switch it in on serpent level for a quick boost with no consequences

>>161223019
Unfortunately there's no way to really apply it instantly without doing some heavy work, since the hp/awake-effects are applied at generation.
I could iterate through all monsters on equip and wake them/put them on seek/double their hp.

I've been having some ideas for artifacts, but not sure if I should implement them ( especially since I have better things to do, too ). I had idea about an item which properties depend on night/day ( perhaps branding, attack? ) and that sort of stuff.
If anything, I should focus getting maledict/freelancer balanced.

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>>161222774
I think that's a bit too obvious. The old version was already an obvious trap, but you were left wondering whether it was a real trap or just a harmless object disguised as a trap.

>>161223761
I opted for not using it, after all.
Anyway, I pushed the changes to git.

Notes on what I've done recently anyway:
>* Two birth-options, runesword start and coffee-break mode. Runesword start, well, starts you with runesword ( scrolls of mundanity won't work, mind ), and coffee break... well, is much quicker than regular game.
>* When you have 0 total damage, you have 50% chance of dealing 1 damage instead. So I recommend carrying around flasks of oil to soften enemies.
>* Memory loss doesn't completely wipe the map, rather it causes you to forget squares based on distance ( this also applies to labyrinth ).
>* Monsters summoned through TY-traps have penalty to their starting energy, so you have more time to fucking leg it.
>* Some nexus changes, not too much. It works as siphon, throwing stat points from one stat to another, letting you make saving throw after each point to break it ( max stat swap is 10 )
>* Monks can cast Mana Branding, and brands apply to innate attacks as well.

Perhaps I should instead make roguelike of my own... But I have other projects that I neglect already because I find the fiddling with the source code relaxing.

>>161223223
>I've been having some ideas for artifacts, but not sure if I should implement them ( especially since I have better things to do, too )
I for one enjoy interesting, and even useless, artefacts. Makes PCB fun when there's more potential interesting things to see.

>>161224428
>( parens )
Do you run astyle on your posts or something?

ded

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>>161217741
>>161218325

Please don't do lewd things

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On anything other than a monk, this would be great.

>>161209648
>polearm on a minotaur
Is this a good idea?

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>>161219214
Engineer tum

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Veganism

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>>161232817
Is this something that someone unironically made?

>responding

>>161233223
The worst part is that it isn't a strawman. Real "people" actually argue that just buying corpses is fine if you don't kill directly, just like they think it's totally OK to buy products of slave labor.

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>>161232817
This image bothered me so much that I finally had to fix it.
Well, for given values of "fix".

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>>161233598
I'm having fun with a shadow draconian assassin.

>>161233665
>1d6 +3 +4
>1d5 +3 +5
>42 K gold
>level 23 with a draconian
enchant your fucking weapons in town holy shit
and get better ones

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>>161233598

>>161233771
>everything damaged
It's painful to look at all those |\

>>161233746
Forgot, thanks for reminding me.

>get better weapons
Only found branded nonusable weapons thus far.

>>161233938

>Only found branded nonusable weapons thus far.
Yeah, I know. It's so annyoing when you don't find any good sblades.
How does shadow synergize with ninja? Do you get your 1x1 fog of darkness around yourself?

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>>161233598
i'm liking this game even though i'm playing the easy class and getting splatted left and right

>>161234051
>How does shadow synergize with ninja? Do you get your 1x1 fog of darkness around yourself?

Is that a selectable draconian ability? Because I don't think I have that, I have to very often spam create darkness.

>>161234168
>Is that a selectable draconian ability?
No, I'm just thinking of shadow drakes.

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Stabbing is fun.

Assassins feel like a baby easy class, but it's fun so who cares.

>>161234692
What's the difference between assassins and ninjas?

>>161234767
The fact im too retarded to say ninja instead of assassin.

Got dcss and pcb confused.

I don't get what people find fun about PCB
the game becomes a chore after level 30, there's instakills everywhere, item destruction everywhere unless you juggle your resistances perfectly, chaos swapping your stats, an average playthrough of 30 hours and summoners summoning summoners summoning summoners.

Just what is fun about pcb

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>>161234692
>Stabbing is fun.
I agree

>>161234862
Shit I do that all the time.

Do you have any idea how the stabbing works in pcb? I played an assassin a few times and while I got much further than dicking around with other classes I felt silly carrying around my dinky little +6/+6 dagger and passing by much flashier weapons I didn't have proficiency for. Eventually the lack of damage caught up with me.

>>161235130
It honestly just feels like a giant coin flip to me, the ninja stabbing aspect. Dance around in shadows and hope you get a lethal blow. Ive gone from 'doing no damage from 5 stealth attacks' to 'nearly oneshotting' seemingly at random.

If there's some rhyme or reason to it, id love to know myself.

Ninjas have a metric fuckton of inherent teleportation abilities as well as inherrent speed, so I assume they are just built for hit and run tactics.

>>161235020
The ridiculous chaos of stuff that can happen is fun

The only thing pcb lacks imo are wacky artifacts like >>161221483

>>161235130
It is a massive damage multiplier that depends on your stealth.

>>161234692
Ninjas are rather easy class, but in good way. Really fun one, you get lot of really great tools for escape. At high levels Hide in Mud is insanely good ability and Bunshin keeps you alive.

>>161235020
Yeah. Trying to fix some of that, personally.

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Time to fuck off

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>>161235970
For whatever fucking reason my log is getting spammed by 'you are feeling knowledgeable!'

Tried resetting game, didnt fix it.

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>>161236401
Yeah

This is completely fucked.

>>161236496
...What

>>161236568
Apparently my draconian was secretly a Stone-of-Lore-Kin and is now happily living its life as knowledgeable.

>>161236401
>>161236496
wtf

virtue_add(virue_knowledge) is mostly used for castery related things, also for learning about items etc. Did you get affected by amnesia or something and are relearning your inventory pseudos or something? But doesn't look like it.

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>>161236638
The due who runs Pseudo PCB branch fucked something up, that's for certain.

>>161236740
Log got spammed every single turn after leveling up.This is a glitch of some kind.

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https://youtu.be/PbKDXlvooAg Indie sandbox roguelike with Dungeon Keeper twist.

>>161236920
Pretty cool game bruh, but in the roguelike department it doesn't offer much (yet).

>>161236920
>battle for wesnoth
I remember playing this like 10 years ago
it's wasn't a roguelike back then

>>161236920
classic game, but not a roguelike
it's a tactical wargame

>>161235970
Ah, I see you found Sir Swirly.

>>161236740
I remember a bug in vanilla PCB about draconians

it's possible they're just a bugged race

Didn't get any problems with my yeeks once they turned into stones of lore

>>161237980
Guess this character is just fucked then, that sucks.

>>161238271
I'll wizmode a draconian ninja in a sec to see if there's any similarities.

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>>161238271

It's just you mate.
Don't know what to tell you.
Are you using the latest pseudo?

>>161238553
Yep.

Might be oddly specific circumstances that caused it, no bloody idea what.

>>161238604
Try re-downloading it and copying your save, see if that changes anything.

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>>161236920
Not a roguelike, but hearty kek nonetheless.

make it's a secret hacker bomb designed to punish those righteous among us who play with enable_virtues yes

>>161240267
>not playing with virtues on
Stop it, you brute!

>>161240352
He has become beyond morality.

>>161240580
>you commune with the dead.
>that was rather dishonorable.

>Any hounds are disastrous to containment by Door Building. Extinct them quickly!
thanks scroll of rumor

So if you can become a stone of lore with enough knowledge, can you become a stone of noble sacrifice?

>>161241430
actually you become a stone of lore at level 30
and you become a noble sacrifice when it breathes, most likely. Also when a shopkeeper jumps for joy, if that even happens any more (rip shop text and rumors)

>>161241631
>Also when a shopkeeper jumps for joy
Don't remind me.
The pain is still very real.

>>161241430
>can you become a stone of noble sacrifice?
Only with cockatrices around.

I never realized how much early game money comes from selling stuff until trying this weaponsmith.

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>>161241927

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>>161242259
In my last ascension I killed famine three times.
It was good.

/rlg/ Virtual memeball game coming on very soon!
hitbox.tv/"the"4chancup
Remove the quotes

>>161242259
Heh.

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I really don't want to spend 3 hours waiting for my dog to steal the contents of this shop

but I also don't want to walk away

>>161236401
this is what i get for playtesting with virtues off leota lmao

i think i know what causes this tho

Excuse me.
If these games are only rouge"like", then what's an actual rogue game?

>>161243919
the one literally named Rogue which was made for Unix (?) systems in the 80s?

>>161243919
Rogue.

>>161244054
Oh, wow! That's weird, thanks anon. I can rest easy now.

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based fire traps
I don't know enough to even ID this pot except that I think it didn't harm me from the vapors

>>161245273
Roguelikes are the path to self mastery, and Hacks are the king's road.

>>161245536
>Roguelikes are the path to self masturbation

Is STR or DEX better for a centaur melee?

>>161245672
Centaurs go one hundred per cent STR.

HUGE /vg/ League 7 update for /rlg/!
We beat /ss13g/ 4-2, which almost guarantees advancing to the main tournament, which starts next weekend!

Sigmund got a hat trick, and Not a Roguelike also scored to bring /rlg/ the victory.

http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/

Thanks for coming out and supporting the team!

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>>161246128

Sword of The Stars The Pit is on sale, is it worth it? It's like 4 bucks but a lot of the reviews I saw say it can be total bullshit and fail to spawn you vital items and the difficulty is schizo

>>161236401
>>161238604

ok fixed on github

this bug only happened with easy_id off and virtues on (of course), and only on characters who had knowledge as one of their 8 available virtues (of course)

in pseudo, autoid attempts to identify your inventory each turn in addition to items on the ground below you (which is what it does in vanilla)

apparently trying to id an item that is already id'd but not yet *identified* would give knowledge virtue even though it didn't do anything

>>161246668
yet another hint of PCB's spaghetti code.
I mean, after something like ten forks I'm sure it'd have to start cracking at the seams.

>>161246770
yyup

did you know that sorceror spell failure messages were completely broken too

one function of code used 3 different ways to determine which realm a spell was in, and at least 1 of them just didn't work for casters without 1 or 2 realms

>>161246128
Shiit, i really wanted to watch this one but i didn't see it announced in the thread

Do they save the streams of these to watch later?

>>161246128
may qw bless us and keep us

>>161247727
Yes they do, I'll post a link to it when its available.
>>161247774
atm /acg/ needs to score 10 goals in their game for us to be knocked out. We're probably good.

>>161247947
I love you, 4cc anon!

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>it's an electrocution brand ghost on a corner episode

>>161249580
fault

>>161250040
>i flip my cloak inside out and it becomes the pickaxe of despair
kek

>>161249580
>you shoot a stone
unless that's a ce or sp ghost you are Very Bad At Video Game
walk away from bad thing instead of pressing tab at them please

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>>161249580
>he fired instead of evoking feet
>then blames game
I rate 0/25

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HE'S ALIVE

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>level 26
>153 hp

hades demigod is probably the tankiest race for a sorceror too, since you have 107% hp and can take Evasion

if i somehow grind up to 40 without getting oneshot by something dumb i'll take One With Magic because there are some good-ass buffs
wratihform plus ultimate resistance, mmmm

>>161250562
evasion is good, yeah
still I'd be really tempted by both One With Magic (sorcs get access to almost every major endgame buff after all, including polymorphs and ultimate res both of which you'll probably want on 24/7) and Cult of Personality sounds pretty cool on the squishy chr caster that already is likely to use summons.

But maybe just Evasion/One With Magic is enough.

>>161250562
>nerd librarian
>7 intelligence
okay

also good luck capping your stats despite the -2s from lucky with those sorcerer equipment restrictions.......

>>161250492
>dicks-sucker is a slavshit subhuman

>>161250492
did you know that corwa is a long distance cognate of English's word crevice? Obviously with stronger connotation than the English use normally has, but it's still one way to use the English word.

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>>161250825
i'm addicted to lucky, man. i pick it on every character ever. sure as fuck wasn't gonna go shrewd and have even LESS hp

and anyways you don't have to be smart to be a nerd
for example see >>161249580

definitely a librarian though
i can't even read some of these books

>>161251162
i'd recommend patient, definitely not shrewd though

>and anyways you don't have to be smart to be a nerd
>for example see >>161249580
wow

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>>161250169
More boring than that, I am afraid.

Plus I changed pickaxe around. Dropped slay and bumped the damage dice to 20d4+32 ( on note, it also weighs 50 lbs. )

>>161251393
uh
I think that image has the same exact stats

>>161251393
>Dropped slay and bumped the damage dice to 20d4+32 ( on note, it also weighs 50 lbs. )
Truly the best mauler weapon.

>>161251693
maybe flipping the cloak has the effect of reducing the "flip cloak" failrate by 6%

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>>161250492

The long longed dickery has finally come.

Tonight is a time of merriment and celebrations.

Let us rejoyce anew, for our savior is back and playing *the* best game the world has ever seen.

Still gotta try the realm of shadows mod! This is gonna be fun

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>>161251693
Oops.

>>161252016
I've only done eastern sun mod

>>161250492
>cyberstalking

>>161252269
There was a dark time when I didn't have anything to play and hadn't discovered roguelikes yet when I played every single Diablo 2 mod around.

I think I got really close to suicide back then.

>>161250492
>he's even walking instead of running

He bears the mark of kings.

>>161252267
*flips cloak*

>start a felid
>stoned to death by two goblins in the second room i enter
fml

>>161250492
the music is nice

>>161252803
>not evoking your paws

>>161252929
*evokes paw*
murr

>>161252929
i preemptively posted that and wound up not dying but the other rooms i could access also had stone goblins

better than my octopode who was gangbanged to death by bats in a 1 tile hall

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>>161253006

>>161253006
:3

>+10 randart spear of speed on D4

Welp, guess it's a training polearms episode

>>161254250
Inb4
>spear

>>161252381
>being subscribed to someone on youtube is cyberstalking

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p10 bump

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>>161259020
Praise chaos

What are some roguelikes that take place outside?

>>161259198
ah the good ol' randart has randomtele and preventstele at the same time

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>>161259240
C:DDA, UnRealWorld are the two main ones probably

URW is the most outsidey roguelike by far, it's literally about being a dude in the wilderness of iron age finland

Anyone in here wanna join a nice chill discord to discuss roguelikes from time to time

>>161259918
Why not discuss them here?

>>161259918
theoretically there is already some rlg discord

>>161259918
fuck, just ask kate for an invite

why is everyone starting new discords

>>161260174
>>161260303
>>161260503
Its actually the discord that was posted few days ago.. Not a new one

after fuckin around and watching some vidya gaem on twitch i played my sorceror some more

i got a tier 3 book from ubbo sathla, and somehow it managed to be THE ONLY BOOK 3 THAT I ALREADY HAD

oh well, crusade 3's dispel evil will probably come in handy since it's one of the only screen-wide AOEs in spellbooks

>>161233843
It's even worse knowing how many of those are 6/8 tairloring or mechanics

>>161235020
By 30 the game has stopped holding your hand. You don't have to kill everything and you don't have an excuse for not having detection to keep you away from summoning traps and shit you lack 2 pips of resist for. It creates a better tense gameplay than crawls o-tab

>>161246643
Pirate it, play it, if you liked it buy it to support the developer so they can afford to make shit.

>>161262145

also i spent so much time worrying about my maxhp that i forgot that i still have the best possible offense of any magic character

against melee shit like azog/minotaur/ubbo sorceror is ezpz

too bad i'm out of bosses like that now

>>161262292
yeah given that manabolts, waterballs, most breath attacks, etc can kill you very quickly....

PosChengband always feels so easy until you reach the part of the game where monsters have serious ranged threats

>>161263850
new bee here, do any enemies have surface-to-player missiles? my explosion resistance isn't looking too good and I don't want to get splatted

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>>161264140
dont get cyberdemon'd

>hit , instead of m
>What a noble sacrifice!
Yeah okay done with pcb.

>>161264140
Rockets are shards resist iirc.

>>161264140
watch out for

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>>161265537
>norcerors
>breathy

also most of those don't do shards except crystal D

>>161265537
>uniquen

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>>161265703
>he hasn't lost a run to a breathy yet
>he doesn't understand norceror farming
fucking casuals

is poschengbandR forked from mpa/elliposcheng? I want to try coffeebreak mode but I want elliptic ID-removal too

>>161265537
pretty good overall desu
not your fault the evil okinawasan didn't change us to a fixed-width font

>>161268262
no it is not

but turning easy_id on gives you autoid from level 1 in it

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>>161268380
doesnt work in fixedwidth either

Hey /rlg/ I have an open question: What do you like about Roguelikes?

I have tried to get into these games numerous times over the years, but I have never found one which really grabbed me. What is it about them which keep you coming back?

lol the player-is-blinded text for being hit by a time attack is "You are hit by a blast from the past"

>>161269479
Replayability. and the game being different each time.

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>>161269479
Difficult to isolate the reason why, I just like the concept of identifying unknown items, the chance of something being cursed if you put it on, the ridiculous shit the game throws at you like a powerful enemy on level 1, things like that.