/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

blizzard should have waited until the last week for the kabal cards and started off with the lotus cards

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So they nerfed blade flurry because it limited design space on Rogue weapons

And then they don't make a new Rogue weapon

absolute madmen

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So what are some mechanics you could add to rogue to help their survivability while also keeping their class identity - ie no healing, taunts or armor?

Let's play the guessing game, /hsg/. What's going to be the percentage of Shamans in ladder post expansion? 60%? 70%? 80%?

>>161142026
5 mana, 2 card, destroy your weapon hellfire was too op. it punished playing minions !

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>>161142057
canabilism

>>161142057

Stealth that affects face?

>>161142061

20% first week
70% second week feeding on reno shitters

>>161142057
Getting rid of Dean fucking Ayala.

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>Opponent drops Golden Monkey
>Next turn he drops Sir Finley, Millhouse, Lorewalker Cho, and King Mukla before conceding
I legitimately felt bad for him.

i wonder who exactly keeps fucking up at Team 5?

I mean they do a great job most of the time with theme.

Its just they fall short at the game mechanics stage.

There must be at least one person not doing their job and explaining their shitty decisions away.

Other than Ben Brode.

>>161142057

stun/actual sap that sleeps a card for a turn, its flavour to separate itself from freeze can be that it stops whatever ability the opponents card has for that turn(like rag not hitting for 8)

>>161142095
That's reddit tier man

>>161142057
stealthing their hero or having them take no damage when attacking with the hero power

>>161142057
Steal 1 mana crystal from your opponent

>>161142309

brodes just the mouth piece

it's mostly donais(lol nothing is wrong with portal being common) and dean ayala

>>161142319
>sleeps a card for a turn
It's called freeze

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>>161142296
A Monkey like that would have actually broken me. I already get pissed off if I get a single deadweight legendary, a full hand of them would probably cause me to dust Elise out of rage.

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Say something NICE to our dear friend, before he leaves us.

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Aya blackpaw is the true waifu

>>161142412
I would love to see an "everything is fine" crossover with FTL

>>161142505
"I'll put the 400 to good use."

>>161142507
Why does she talk like a nickelodeon character though

>>161142505
He's leaving us already. As soon as Kazakus drops.

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>>161142571

Have you read cards flavor texts?

This game demographics is literally children

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>>161141867
>wake up
>the new weapon was actually for shaman
>rogue got this
>"blade flurry limited design space"

>>161142614
It's actually dr who millenials which is miles, miles worse than children. I'm so fucking sick of seeing the word awesome

>>161142641
There's still two more cards, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised ;)

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>1 mana 4/3

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>>161142507
Top girl right here

>>161142760
It's no tunnel trogg

>druid
>3 jade cards
>shaman
>3 jade cards
>rogue
>2 jade cards

The last one better be a battlecry summon jade so that I can bounce that shit a million times in 1 turn

>>161142309
I think they simply don't communicate enough. As someanon pointed out, the recent sets, especially MSG, look like made by separate people who don't know what the others are doing.

Either that, or all the next sets were planned way in advance, even before the rotation and nerfs were introduced and they're just reluctant or too lazy to change anything. That would explain why paladin keeps getting shit cards and no early game, priest had to wait a year for a board clear and support for his dragon deck arrvies a few months before most of the deck rotates out, or why rogue still didn't get a weapon or much anything relevant.

The most likely explanation is they are borderline incompetent when it comes to designing cards.

>>161142761
For many years now, there was an OC that was identical to this. It was a dragon, some sort of bronze drake, with the exact same effect and stats. Does anyone have it? I don't think I ever saved it because I thought it sucked.

>>161142856
Rogue already got two smaller jade cards. The next one, if the other reveals are an indication, im guessing will be the mid one for like 4 mana or so. They actually probably expect you to play the deck with these as the early game cards.

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Too complicated?

>>161142991
No, but too good.

>>161143013
Anything that is "fair" is unplayable though

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>Not running two of these two bump your rogue up a tier

>>161142761
See, this is a bad card that I can get behind, because it's not that bad and it is actually interesting to explore a card that punishes opponent draws.

I understand that not all cards can be good, meta cards, but they should be more like this and less like Worgen Greaser or Gadgetzan Ferryman.

>>161142974
I can always run the 2 mana jade minion and huckster for possible raptor value I guess. Maybe I can survive until turn 10 to play nzoth and close the game.

>>161143114
The thing is as it stands, there's really no reason whatsoever to play a jade deck unless Aya Blackpaw is getting significant vlaue. She's literally more stats than vek'lor if you've summoned twice. So you'll really want to run all the early game possible to guarantee at least two jade golems summoned, or it's a little redundant to run the deck. So you're probably forced to run the spell too.

>>161143059
The mage 6/3 version of this was almost never played. With 1 less attack it won't see any play at all.

>>161143220
That one was way better because it discovered mage spells exclusively too. Not to mention it's directly competing with drake, who is now even better than before because it skirts dragonfire potion.

>>161143220
It saw a ton of play in control mage. But then belcher and healbot left and mage was forced to be aggro shitter or full freeze

>>161142761

it looks like they cut out the elfs head from other art piece then pasted it into that

>>161142614
I legit hope they improved on flavour texts in the last two years doge was a dead meme way before they even used it it would be like making a harambe meme for knuckles

>>161143578
You know it's coming

>>161143626
>>161143578
If that is revealed to be true next week i will blame myself for the rest of mylife

>>161142349

they both look like smug cunts

Brode at least seems like a guy you could go get a beer with.

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>>161141867
i think this card is good. it makes shaku a 4/5 that you played on turn 3. its like a 6/6 for 4 mana if you get the buff. conceal is already a good card in rogue decks.

its like that paladin +2/+2 and summon a 2-drop, but that 2-drop is always a 4/4

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>>161142761

>fedora
>top

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>>161141867
That's fucking it, this is the last straw, i'm quitting this shitty game. It has been fun (like two years ago) folks. See you in Gwent or whatever.

>>161144823
Does it come with the girl on the right?

>>161144028
>its like that paladin +2/+2 and summon a 2-drop, but that 2-drop is always a 4/4
You are terribly wrong

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I predict a large influx of players in Wild once League of Explorers rotates out, followed by a large hemorrhage after a week when these players remember the format entrance fee is 1600 dust + tax.

>>161145009

Why would they have an entrance fee if they already have the cards?

Also I can see a huge influx of players playing Reno decks with highlanders cards from MSG, but also the actuall reno.

>>161144905
soon

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>>161145157
The entrance fee is the 1600 dust needed to craft Dr. Boom plus anything else you may need to revise your deck.

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Yay or nay

>>161145497
It's literally a bad Bash.

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>game badly needs a reprint of healbot
>reprint healbot
>give it 3 more stats and 1 less mana to make it a good curve play
make it a shaman class card

>>161145497
Decisively "okay"

>>161145556
Did they even bother with pretending it's balanced by Overload, or were they actually smart enough to not print a Tunnel Trogg buff onto it?

>>161144905
shit taste desu

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>>161145549
Fuck, forgot about bash. Blizzard why would you do this to me you fucks.

So, this would be pretty strong on 3 mana, right?

i just want painlock to work

>>161145624
no u

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>>161145613
>tfw you just realized if you nerfed all of Shaman's cards to have Overload 10 he would still be in the meta because of Tunnel Trogg

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>>161145497
Same as this
Their extra effects are just too costly for today's value

>>161142095
>canabilism
>Cannabilism
>4 mana 2 atk 0 hp Battlecry: Blaze it faggot!

rogue still has another common and epic to reveal?

>>161145613
I don't know if it snowballs the board hard enough to see play, but overloading for turn 5 is only really problematic when you want to use drake as a spirit claws activator ie. to kill a 3/3, which the 3/6 body handles fine most of the time so I guess it should work. It can also do retarded shit like heal up totem golem or thing from below, or thunderbluff, and adding +12 heal to a shaman deck at the "cost" of playing 2x water elemental - reminder that the other turn 4 3/6 minions in mage and priest and dragon decks both see plenty of play - seems pretty absurd to help their only tricky matchups in freeze mage (or maly druid and tempo mage who can close it with a few turns of burn) and face decks who managed to steal the early game

AND it buffs tunnel trogg

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>tfw you beat cancer midrange shaman with your shitter almost all basic card deck

The opponent was a complete retard but jesus christ them spirit claws and 0 mana 5/5 taunt is so oppressive.

>>161145407
>implying I dusted my non-golden GvG and Naxx cards
I still click on my Wild collection from time to time to remind myself that paladin used to have early game once.

>>161145556

Because it is their "class identity" to have every mechanic on overpowered cards. Duh

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>>161141867

>makes shaku a 4/5

>makes patient assassin usable

>buffs any concealed minion

That. thats actually not bad. If it makes PA usuable then im pretty happy.

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>>161146096
Finally, somebody who understands the idea of design space and class identity.

It was hard seeing our design decisions go misunderstood and unappreciated.

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>Spirit claws is 1 (one) mana

What the fuck?

I heard shaman was op n' all, but fucking hell.

>>161146132
why would it make patient assassin playable?

Not all cards are going to be spike cards

>>161146234
Turn 1 = Tunnel Trog
Turn 2 = Totem Golem
Turn 3 = Spelldamage Totem
Turn 4 = Spirit Claws + lightning on some minion

:^)

>>161146204

Always with you, Ben.

>>161142761
She looks like a smug pepe

>>161146262
PAs problem has always been it dies to random shit, if it kills a 2 or higher drop minion its served its intention. It was slow but cheap removal, but its problem was that its too suceptible to pings and aoe.
Buffing it to 3/3 status might be enough for it to live and thus see play.

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>people who don't pick warrior and hunter in arena

How much gold do I need saved up for a decent card output for the next expansion?

>>161146402
>PAs problem has always been it dies to random shit
I thought the problem was that miracle has to run a very restrictive minion list and it wasn't good enough to make the cut, it's still a very good card though

>>161146523
Depnds alot on luck. I got 7k gold and 10k dust, should be enough.

>>161146445
Thats why you dont play him immdiately but combo him into this was what I was implying.

>>161146523
somewhere between 3500 to 4500 should be alright

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Reminder that Mysterious Challenger was one of the last cards revealed in the final Facebook card dump for TGT.

There's always a chance another Challenger could appear for MSG.

>>161146523
>needing gold for the grand dusting of gagdetzan

>>161146554
how long did it take you to get 7k gold?

i only got 400 ;_;

>>161146606
6 mana 6/6 put all combo cards from your deck into play

>>161146523
depends on how good you are in the arena, how much dust you got and how desperately you want to have every new legendary/epic?!

I got 4k on 3 different accounts.

>>161146671
If you have that little, use whatever you end up with for Arena. Don't buy packs.

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>>161145009
>I predict a large influx of players in Wild once League of Explorers rotates out,
Meanwhile I'm already counting all the delicious dust I'll get for disenchanting all my Blackrock, Explorers and Tournament cards.

I mean I see why you'd play wild if you've been playing the game for a while and have a lot of the older cards, but for someone like me who started right when standard was introduced, it's easier to just build a collection of classic cards and just play standard.

I'll definitely miss Reno, but not enough to put up with all the GvG and Naxx cards I don't have.

>>161146551
Fuck miracle.

There are more ideas then miracle not everything that rogue has, has to do with miracle, it isnt even a good deck this meta. Jesus christ if i have to see or hear brode using "muh miracle" as a means to defend rogues shitty state one more time, im going to choke him.
>>161146595
Mp only does 2 with spelldamge, youre thinking of lstorm
And if they used that just to clear a PA im pretty happy.

>>161146606
>6 mana 3/3
>Combo, heal 2 health for each combo you played this game

>>161146671
Just doing quests everyday gives you around 400 gold per week.

>>161146716
>depends on how good you are in the arena
shit

>how much dust you got
170

>how desperately you want to have every new legendary/epic?
Id just like a cool deck that can get to a decent rank.

waw warrior class card quest is actually called tactician that's p. funny

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>Jade Claws
>2 mana 2/2 Shaman Rare Weapon
>Battlecry: Summon a Jade Golem. Overload: (1)

>>161146773
Not happening

Rogue is never ever getting the following

Life gain
Strong aoe.

>>161146805
>Shaman gets another weapon
>Rogue gets nothing

>>161146773
That would be utter trash

>>161146748
GvG and Naxx are fucking cancer anyway. Wild can go to hell with it's mad scientists and shredders

only when I get counters to otks will rogue be allowed healing

>>161146869
>Rogue's best removal will always be 'giving it back to them so they can put it down again'

>>161146905
Kinda like the rest of rogues new cards

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Nice Game

>>161146924
Honestly Sap is really good in the correct matchups. Like 2 mana time walk good.

>>161146748
Wild's fun as all hell man. If you can muster up the dust to craft Dr. Boom, a lot more strategies are viable simply because almost every class has access to some form of immensely unbalanced tools. Hell, an Inner Fire Priest got to Rank 1 Legend not too long ago, which really shows how much is possible when you just make every class overpowered.

Except Rogue because Blizzard hates them.

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>>161146786

Just save up around 1500 or 3000 if you can.

And do like 10 arenas as soon as the expansion hits. People are usually terrible at the first week. (just get your 7-8 2 drops, your 5-6 4 drops and get some (aoe) removal)

With the rest of the gold you can buy packs, if you fail utterly.

Until then I would just reroll all the low gold quests and always wait until you got 3 quests, before you do them.

Also if you really need a card, you can dust all the foil cards.

(Arena is easier with more accounts btw., if you got the time. = more practice)

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>>161146919
Don't forget the Belchers & Boom.

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>>161147053
What if you were allowed to play Arena for no fee but no rewards to stop all this alt account nonsense?

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Battlecry: Give a stealth minion +2/+2

HAHAHAHA

>>161146919
i would like to see a mad scientist in standard for mage only

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>>161146924
>>161146980
But Sap will never be as effective/annoying as pic related because Hearthstone has auto mana generation

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If you read between the lines it's basically confirmed that Rogue won't get another good card. Surely he would've mentioned "NOT ALL CARDS ARE RELEASED LOL" if the rest of the rogue cards wouldn't be meme trash

>>161147119

I feel bad for the Asians - Blizzard give them the trashiest cards to reveal.

Watching the nips squirm around the ferryman was painful

>>161147175
I still love Duelmasters but there's no platform to play it online, and everything is in moonrunes. Had a lot of knockoff cards as a kid. How do you play?

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MUH DESIGN SPACE!!

Seriously, this is all the weapons rogue has gotten + the fork

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>>161147186
Except people didn't use Purify to silence the meme minions, they used the 0 mana Silence that doesn't become a dead card in your hand if you don't have those minions in play.

Has Ben Brode even played this game?

>>161146698
Without their combo effects. All effects that do not require combo hit random targets, of course.

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>>161142026
You know what?
Rogue does not need a new weapon, Rogue can steal it from the opponent's deck or discover it, so it's way more fun and allows you to create stories to tell your friends!

>>161147119
this card is like houndmaster but the target are much worse, beast can stand on their own while if you want to play shaku and the divine shield stealth you need to buff them to be worth something

>>161147304
>Has Ben Brode even played this game?

Team 5 is always about 2 expansions behind the current meta.

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>>161147186
>works on balance team
>I'm sure someone will do the math on Journey Below

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

at this point I'm just laughing

>>161147294
I haven't played in ages.

>>161146946
Nice hardware, kek.

>>161147119
It's a fair card so it won't see any play, similar to Southsea Deckhand.

>>161147186
But i don't understand. there's no bouncing stuff deck per se for rogue, and even if there were, they already have 2 shadowsteps, Xaril, and brewmaster. They weren't in need of more bounces. At least make it a 1 mana 2/1 or something.

>>161147186
I never saw a rogue deck that bounced minion a part the shadowcaster deck and in thi case the minion aren't really bounced. Even if a deck like that existed you woldn't want that many bounce back effect or be able to play a 2 mana 2/3 without the effect. Plus there aren't many target with a good enough battlecry to replay over and over

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>>161147304
Here's what Ben Brode is thinking:
>Take a zero mana card
>Take away the main reason people use it
>Increase the manacost by 2
>Add the ability to draw a single card on the class that already has the capability of racing through his deck
There, you have a Priest card

>>161147053
k thx
will there be some free booster pack quests like they did with the old gods?

>>161147474
I recall there being a funny shenanigan deck built around Deckhand actually.

>>161147186
Why don't redditors pester him about shaman?

When blizzcucks are being hounded for some classes being weak, they always hide behind muh class identity, fun cards for meme decks, and not all cards must be good mantra.

Why all shaman cards must be better than any other class cards even when the same shaman list makes up one third of the ladder?

>>161147186
>Damage control

>>161147596
Oh fuck I meant the 4/4 Squidface whatever.

Southsea Deckhand is quite playable.

>>161147505
Moatlurker/Deathrattle deck would be pretty fun, but then you have stuff like Raptor and Huckster rotating out.

I just wish the buffed Kidnapper.

>>161147671
but he is right

>>161147702
Moatlurker copies don't summon the same minion if they're resurrected.
Fucking blizzard.

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>>161147596

You mean this one made ages ago, long before standard was a thing right?
Yeah theres no way im going to be able to get that to work again now with blade flurry dead.

>>161147702
Rogue bounce decks have the big flaw that rogue is simply not geared towards long game unless you play mill. Otherwise, you're pretty much forced to play some reno meme abomination.

>>161147573
To be fair, he went into a video on what the process was for purify.

>There are only two silence cards in a priest deck, so self-silence mechanics aren't reliable
>Let's add a card that adds redundancy to make this playstyle more viable
>We've decided we don't like cheap silence being available in the meta anymore, so it should only be able to self-target
>It turns out that people run Purify for cycle! Let's bump the mana cost so it's just being run in the deck we imagined it working in
>Wow, this card is shit, but it fits our original vision, ship it

The card was so stifled by what they didn't want it to be it could never be anything worth playing.

>>161147820
You cannot make all cards in CCGs to be all "worth playing"

>>161147798
Nope, it was Deckhand into Cold Blood x2 into Faceless Manipulator for 20 damage.

>>161147801
Maybe someone should remind Team5 that the Rogue's entire identity is composed of things they find "problematic" gameplay so the whole class identity thing ends up being "first rate" or "second rate" rather than "this mechanic" or "that mechanic."

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>>161147859
No, but the benefit of electronic CCG's is that you can look at clear outlier powerlevel cards and then nerf/buff them towards a healthy PL variation.

Blizz barely has

>>161147186
>Aye you wanted another rogue deck besides Miracle that's not complete shit? Fuck you, Miracle is OP so you get nothing except the jade golem shit everyone gets

>>161147859
this
especially with RNG cards that add or summon something, you have to balance shit out

>>161147820
People got mass triggered because they released one of the shittiest cards in the game to Priest who's the shittiest class in the game in this meta.

Speaking of which will Priest be getting better in this expansion? The dragon potion and Raza the Memed seem to be pretty good cards.

>>161147820
>It turns out that people run Purify for cycle!
What was wrong with this?

>>161147938
Oh that. Thats not even shenanigans thats just old otk.
I thought you meant the one where you gang up ships cannon and then saved for a combo of 4 cannons 2 deckhands and 2 shadowsteps

So what do you anons think the Shaman legendary is going to do?

>>161147997
Priest already has a cycle card.

>>161147949
I don't remember who it was, maybe Kibler, but they found that balance changing retains "hardcore" players but causes "casual" players to jump ship because it puts off people when a deck they own gets shit on, even if it is "justified".

>>161148065

Give a weapon that heals and boardclears.

>>161147974
I suspect Dragon Priest will be viable, but Raza Priest will be just a meme.

>>161148004
No, but that sounds pretty funny too.

There's really not a whole lot you can do with Rogue unfortunately. I think they either nerfed or were trying to nerf Mill Rogue which wasn't even remotely viable, but they considered it "unfun to play against" or some shit.

>>161148065
Battlecry deal 30 damage to a random player.

>>161148065
Causes all overloaded mana to be placed upon your enemy instead of you

>>161148123
>Raza Priest will be just a meme
Doesn't it make inspire minions pretty strong though?

Look at all these interesting tech choices. One guy is playing mortal coils, one is argent squires. Are there any mirror match-ups as deep as this? I think not.

>>161148186
Sure, for about a month until they rotate out in 2017 and then what?

>>161148065
summon jade golems equal to your overloaded mana crystals

>>161148065
4 mana 7/7 battlecry: summon 2 two 1/1 totems (warning totems may explode)

>>161148225
Wild it is.
Standard was a mistake.

>>161148225
Maybe the 2017 expansion will offer new cool inspire minions if raza becomes an actual thing.

How do people still "start new heroic brawl"?

>>161148241
overload 3

>>161148341
its a "bug"

more than likely blizzard programmed it to randomly say that so you see your friends doing it when the brawl came out, then maybe YOU would want to play it too goy

>>161148341
Knowing blizzard they probably only changed what text is rendered during that week and forgot to change it back

>>161148387
this is the most far fetched le conspiracy i've seen

>>161148285
Standard is a pretty good idea. One of the biggest problems of CCGs is that it's impossible for new players to get into it due to the sheer number of cards you need. Sticking to two years of expansions will keep the game fresh if it actually lives that long and your classic cards will carry over so you can keep building your collection.

Though obviously it's also a good way to jew old players out of their cards, but the newer you are to the game the better you're off with Standard.

>>161148326
I actually kind of hope it doesn't and nobody plays it. Then maybe they'll learn that from their mistakes, but that probably won't happen.

>>161148387
this is what hearthstone players actually believe

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>dreamwho
>everyone bans shaman
>everyone is left with zoo, druid, warrior
>zoo shits on everything

nice game hearthtards

>>161148562
>>161148486
thanks for correcting the record

i had multiple friends that never played the heroic brawl, but i got notifications of them starting one, even when the brawl was gone

>>161148697
>le CTR shills
autism

>even when the brawl was gone
yeah because that's the bug in question dummy

>>161148609
That's exactly what happens when you basically have no choice but to ban shaman.

Zoo has even to favorable matchup against all remaining tournament decks except fedora warrior. And freeze mage, but it was pretty much replaced by tempo mage in tournaments.

nicebalanceblizzard.jpg

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Is this expansion going to be the one with the most qts?

>>161148746
yeah thats my point, it is intentional

>>161148793
i wanna fuck that goblin

>>161148810
sure buddy
never happened to me though during the brawl week but happens now

but no, surely must be what you say

>reddit still pretends that pavel getting poly from book against amnesiac malygos while being 0-3 didnt change outcome of match, and best player won that match.
Fucking wow

>>161148893
what?

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>>161148065

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>Kabal crystal runner

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>>161148793
I was going to prove you wrong by listing off all the qts in Old Gods, but turns out the only ones worth mentioning are Darkshire Librarian and Selfless Hero so Gatgetzan has a better selecion already.

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>>161148876

>complete the win 5 shaman game before the play 50 class cards
wew

>>161148893
You can call it luck all you want, but Pavel was consistently lucky through the whole tournament or at least all the games I saw. I was actually waiting for his luck to run out, but aside from a few minor hiccups here & there, it always came through.

>>161149160
i dont want to fuck that goblin

>>161148893
what? reddit are the cucks calling him lucky ignoring every game win high roll amnesiaSc[TM] had

>>161149120
Just noticed she doesn't actually have legs.

>>161148793
first two are good, don't like the second two

anduin's harem is still the best overall though

>>161147303
>Literally a 3 mana version of Spirit claws
Wasn't GvG supposed to have the most overpowered cards in the whole game?

>>161149347
kek

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>>161149321
Yeah, you don't notice it on the card or token. Selfless Hero being Draenei also has hooves, but this set finally gave a waifu with some cute feet. Too bad her final artwork looks like crap, but I love the sketches.

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>>161147614
>Why don't redditors pester him about shaman?
No idea.
How about we both make reddit accounts and call them out on their bullshit? They clearly read that piece of shit website.

>>161149438
1st one looks the best
why did they settle on 5th?
>>161149463
>implying they aren't so deep up their own asses they ignore all criticism

Remember when shaman was shit?

Remember when rogue was good?

>>161145009
What the hell is suicune doing in /hsg/?

Zoo mirrors are some of the most intense control matches this game could provide.

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>>161149580
Nope, it was before my time. Tell me some stories of the old days.

Holy shit pit lord is a card what the fuck is this shit warlock has to take 5 damage for +1/+1
and shaman gets to buff his trogg by 2 attack for +3/+2

So I'd like to start playing this game but I don't have anything, which adventure should I buy first?

>>161149647
Wild Suicune has fled!

Why does team 5 never learn their lesson?

Who thought giving shaman more good cards was a good idea?

Who is in charge of rogue design and what is the proper technique to kick them in the genitals?

What is a good alternative for hearthstone because I don't want to sit through months of more shamanstone?

>>161148793
I wanna share my secrets with draenei girl
WHO AM I

>>161146919
>GvG and Naxx are fucking cancer anyway
They aren't, shaman cancer is worse than huntertaker. Only Dr Boom is broken, shredder would be fine as a class minion (not in druid or mage though).

>>161149534
They used the 1st option though.

Unless you meant the reverse.

>rogue gets literally nothing
I cant understand how this is even acceptable.

>>161149675
Their was a time when Miracle rouge ruled all and Leroy Jenkins was viable

Team 5 decided to nerf them because it wasn't """"""fun""""""or interactive

Their was a time when shaman was trash and everyone wanted better cards for them

Then enter the flame wreathed faceless

>>161149967
Hey. You got half an innervate! That's pretty good!

In all seriousness though, I think Jade Golem Rogue is going to be very strong soon. Jade Swarmer and Jade Shuriken give the early game presence Rogue needs for an aggressive curve alongside Swashburglar, Huckster, Raptor and SI7

>>161149987
>everyone wanted better cards for them
Not everyone, Thrall

>>161146919
If you removed all the neutral cards from GvG and Naxx, you would end up with a pretty good set after a few redesigns, i.e. Imp-losion.

>>161146946
Wow even like that the game stills looks better than shadowverse.

>>161149697
Are you willing to spend money on the game?

If not, you'll probably want to get the first wings of BRM and LOE respectively which will be abount 1400 gold. If you don't blow the gold you get for the first few quests when starting a new account you can probably get that easily in a week.

After that you should probably look up the wiki for a list of what cards you get and then keep buying the wings (Karazhan included) that has the cards you want on your main account while playing arena in different regions.

If you are willing to spend money, I'd start with the welcome bundle because 10 classic packs and a guaranteed Legendary for $5 is a sweet deal. You probably won't want to buy adventures with money, save your gold for that.

Look into Amazon coins, if you can get them you'll be able to buy card packs a lot cheaper with them so buy a big bundle, like 40 or 60 of classic packs.

That'd be my recommendation at least, but you might want to get a second opinion.

will they explore more with cards like unstable portal and farsight I really like cards that allow you to pay mana in advance

>>161150035
Hey I was a professional shaman player
t1
>pass
t2
>pass
t3
>spirit wolves
>t4
>pass
>t5
concede

>>161146805
>shaman gets value removal as a weapon and mini Goblin Blastmage at 4 mana, AoE, healing and Brode knows what else after months at the top
>rogue gets no new AoE, healing, weapons or weapon buffs
>paladin gets no new weapons or removal, only memes

I don't know what to feel about last rogue card.
It's boring as fuck curvestone but, on the other hand it's awesome compared to the shit we got earlier.

>>161150237
>hero power, pass, concede
Looks like control paladin of old and paladin now but without turn 3 play, professional shaman player

>>161150320
Notice how no new rogue cards involve the "design space" they killed blade flurry over

>>161150375
'Design space' was but a ruse

>>161150375
Rogue will get no new weapons.
It was confirmed during blizzcon pretty much day 1 by Brode himself.
You can put those discover guys, and hope you can get some shaman weapons.

>>161150375
>>161150413
Mark my words: Rogue will get a katana. It's probably going to suck too, but he'll get one.

Since combo is a negative mechanic why won't they make a 113 with "every time you play a combo card give this minion +1/+1"?

>>161150448
>>161150375
rogues are not supposed to get weapons, they are supposed to get OILS! and instead of heals they should get some kind of evasion, hero stealth, parry, traps.

>>161150483
>4 mana 2/4
>battlecry: teleport behind the opponent and deal 2 damage

>>161150529
sorry im not a dirty pedophile

>>161142761

Am I crazy or would this actually do something in mill rogue?

When you get to the later game and you pop this with brann and a shadowstepped coldlight, this is a 4 mana 9/9

>>161150539
>evasion, hero stealth, parry, traps.
>not allowed to have secrets
>game will explode if you play cards during your opponent turn
How?

>>161142614

Children wont remember what doge is

Doge is teenager/20something humour for the masses

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>>161150483
>>161150574

>>161142057
Face stealth ob fucking viously.

Can I hit rank 5 with pirate warrior? Stuck at rank 11 right now. I keep running into bad decks to play against or have horrible draws

>>161150628
I'd give away all the standard paladin secrets, which nobody never plays, for Bladed Cultist, scrubs, Undercity Valiant, and a couple other tempo cards nobody ever plays. Could even throw in Holy Light.

But muh class identity

>that feel when you go into a new rank and immediately lose a game
>be rank X 0 stars

I just stop playing until the season ends, that's why I'll probably never reach a good rank.

>>161142057
Actually distracting enemies with small pesky minions sounds very roguish

>>161150539
>new rogue card
>Oil of Balance
>Give your weapon +10/+10. Combo: Change all enemy minions to 1/1. Cannot be used when you have a weapon.

Brilliant!

>>161150628
Evasion could be something stupid like minions with lower stats/mana cost can't hit X minion.

Hero stealth would be an ice block variant, maybe something that replaces your hero power with something that puts you in stealth every other turn.

Parry would be something like enemies attacking adjacent minions will instead misdirect/deal reduced damage. Minions with parry would still be able to be targeted for things like power words to trigger.

Pardon the autism but that's just something they could easily implement with what they already have.

>>161148123
I kinda feel bad for Kaza he probably won't be played by priest at all and warlock probably doesn't care about him too much aside from being filler reno card

>>161143279
But mage spells are fucking insane in general

>>161150756
>try pirate warrior
>priest outheals your damage
>priest outheals your damage
>paladyn outheals your damage
>warlock outheals your damage

How is this deck goood again?

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>>161150539
>they are supposed to get OILS!
New spell
Hot and Slippery
2 mana
When enemies attack your hero they have a 50% chance to attack the wrong character.
Combo: Return this to your hand next turn.

>>161151242
Is that supposed to be Sylvanas?

>>161145497
You fixed the mechanic but is still shit

>>161151242
I want to fuck that corpse

>>161151176
So shaman can't outheal your damage and it's more popular than all 4 other classes combined?

>>161151176
I dunno since I cant get past rank 11 with it. Keep running into shittt reno decks with perfect draws or paladins with 2 forbidden healings getting high mana stuff from the chess card

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>steals my tirion
>steals my sylvanas
>steals my ragnaros
>every fucking resurrect is Sylvanas despite multiple Clerics, Priests, Bishops, and Pyromancers dying

>Still loses to based fucking deathwing

get FUCKED

>>161151284
Only warcraft have those retarded eyebrows, so I think yes.

>>161145689
It would be okay since heal is worse than armor

this fucking tavern is so shit

i legit haven't rolled anything higher than a 2 attack minion in an entire game while i'm using fucking 5-6 mana constantly

>>161150801
Fuck, the more I think about it, the more I realize paladin's secrets were probably literally rogue cards before design space called and they just changed the card flavor.
Noble Sac is a pseudo-taunt, a small stall mechanic rogue could use.
Redemption is useful for stealthed Gadgetzan if he dies to aoe or some random shit, also allows some bounce shenanigans.
Repentance makes the targeted minion susceptible to ping, which rogue has in spades.
Competitive Spirits is useful with concealed minions, if nothing else.

All of them are better in rogue than in paladin, pretty much. I don't even think it would create anything particularly cancerous because rogue has enough good cards to cycle with auctioneer.

>>161148609
>Be me
>Be 2d waifu
>Wear absolutely zero armor in any place that counts
>Enter battlefield
>My leg gets chopped off because i don't wear any pants
>Get shot by magic in the head because i don't wear any sort of helmet
>Die
At least my shoulder was protected.

>>161151354
Godspeed. anon.
FUCK ALL THE PRIESTS

>>161151315
Shaman could, but they don't run the cards for it. I was just pointing out that bottom-tier decks wreck pirate warrior.

>>161151421
The interlocking plates on her sides also defend against vicious rib tickling.

>>161151315
No but
>taunt totem
>thing from below
>tunnel trogg and totem golem which you have to clear
>feral spirits

>>161151421
You don't even understand physics. 2D waifus can only get damaged in 2 places: arms (that's why she's wearing armor there) and the side of their torso (can't wear armor there cause that damage is dictated by plot and is required for character or plot development, so it would happen anyways). It's just more comfortable not wearing armor if you don't have to.

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>>161151315
Thank God they at least fixing Shaman so you don't have to worry about all those unfair decks beating you.

>>161151608
And all that while smashing your face

>>161151658
Shit, yeah, it was kinda awkward that zoo could still kill you despite four cheap board clears.

>>161151416

They changed it because rogues and paladins in testing struggled to find class identity

How many years on, they still dont have identity and paladin is still shit

I haven't been keeping up with spoiler season, but holy fuck Rogue has the weakest cards. Isn't rogue already 2nd from the bottom on ladder?

>>161151865
Paladins and Priests are actually worse now, I think.
But when new expansion hits rogue will be the worst.

Why are germans the most autistic / bming playerbase there is?

>>161151608
Reminder that instead of fixing any of these problems they nerfed rockbiter.

>>161151865

Rogues arent even THAT bad right now, just ridiculously locked into miracle because nothing else works

Priest is worse, paladin is worse, mage they can go toe to toe with

From how things are looking as well, Rogue might have the strongest potential for a jade golem deck. But time will tell

>>161151865
Shaman > Warlock > Druid > Warrior > Mage > Hunter > Rogue > Paladin > Priest

Anyone feel free to jump in and correct me.

>>161151865
With blade flurry gone, the HS team are so overwhelmed with design space that they just aren't sure what to do.

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>>161151552
>implying this is not better

>>161151934

I dont think mage got anything particularly exciting this expansion
Neither have warlocks

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There are cards that even to this day I still can't find a single reason to justify their existence

>>161151990
Which was an indirect alakir nerf and didnt do anything to nerf in its current state shaman ;^}

>>161152008
Switch warlock and mage and I'll be happy.

>>161147747
Why would you think they should summon the same copies?

>>161152086
>mage
>ever bad
You can put random class cards x30 into your deck and still get decent winrate with mage.
Warlock always got zoo.

>>161152067

Boring asf

You should apply for a position at team 5!

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>>161152150
It's a copy of the TCG Vanessa.

>>161152096
Uh, why would you pick Coliseum Manager over any of the real filler trash? It has:

- Hilarious voice lines
- A unique effect that's actually useful in certain situations, like Arena where it lets you trade and fully heal the minion every turn during the late game

>>161152008
Mage is much more popular because tempo mage going relatively even with shaman and not having many terrible matchups on the ladder.

The rest looks pretty accurate, though I'm not seeing much zoo these days.

>>161152141
Because they're the creatures that died?

>>161152096

In a perfect world they envisioned with tgt where the game is slow as balls and inspire effects were meta

This guy is a 3 mana 2damage ping every turn provided he doesnt die, which is tricking considering he's a 5 health minion for 3 mana

I see what they were going for, hes just too slow

But still

>No ticket eh?
>Back to the office!

Loved his flavor. Him and tourney attendee with

>Muh popcorn *Dying noises*

I just got fucked by a divine favor anyfin deck.

It played shitty murlocs like tidecaller and coldlight oracle to empty it's hand and then just worse me down because I didn't draw any of my big shit to help kill him fast enough.

Also I was reminded that it's kind of dumb the way equality + consecrate won't kill a board of murlocs because of the warleader. Paladin's AoE is so shitty.

>>161152008
Also there are more priests than paladins running around. Both of these classes are fucking terrible right now, but paladin's decks are typically more expensive and not very effective, while priest can steal a game here and there with dragons or rez.

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I bet HS doesn't have 2-mana 8/8.

>>161152335
Nigger was just doing his murlocs daily

>>161152006
Jade golem decks will be so overpowered with broken rogue cards and their double brewmasters

>>161152301

Ressurect summons copies, not the exact minion

No effect in game duplicates the exact same minion after death

>>161152179

In the tcg I think a card like that is far more justified considering the rest of the super fun shit they had

Fuck hearthstone for killing it

>>161151161
What's your point?

>>161152423
Interesting thing about resurrect mechanics is since the summoned minion was a copy if it dies again suddenly there is a higher chance to summon it since two copies of it died rather than one copy

>>161152006
>>161152410
Rogue golem summoners are doing it on deathrattle so you're not even allowed to abuse your class cards. :^) Shammy and Druid are getting much better jade golem synergies, just look it up.

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>>161152423
Well they try to keep going and made HEX. It's pretty good if you want a complex digital TCG.

>>161147186
>118 points
lel
redditors really are happy with being fed any ridiculous bullshit since there's """"communication""""" and that's the most important thing :^)

>>161152335

A paladin conceded against me once because his equality pyro only cleared his own board and my murlocs were untouched. I enjoyed that

>>161152410

Its more because rogue has the potential to get the jade golem tempo train rolling fast as fuck with their cheap summons

By the time you're playing the jade spirit on t4 it should be summoning a 3/3 at the VERY least, making it at the very least a 4 mana 5/6

Then you get bounce effects and shadowcasters into the mix and suddenly it might get a bit crazy. I see potential

Rogues issue with playing fast as fuck is you emptying your hand and not having much of a board to show for it. Jade golems address this issue to an extent because you're constantly popping out big guys the enemy has to deal with giving you time to reload with prep sprint

>>161152423
>Ressurect summons copies, not the exact minion
Really?
Then why does one summoned by mage secret [put a copy of opponent's creature] return the targetted minion?

>>161152702
>50 (you)
Bro. Reddit and 4chan are identical. Points just allow the comment to be on top and mean "it's important"

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I wonder how he felt

>mind vision turn 1
>get coin
This has literally never not happened to me. Am I just unlucky or is this a hidden feature?

>>161152901
kys

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>tfw control warlock losing to some kind of aggro rogue playing overstatted 13/9 minions and 2/1 chargers
totes uncoolies, jazzcat

>>161152614

Rogues golem cards are also much cheaper and faster than shaman or druid

I mean the 2/2 shaman weapon, Im mad rogues havent got a new weapon yet but that weapon sucks dick, nobody is gonna play jade shaman unless they get something crazy

And druid is much more control long game focused, jade idol wont let them start pumping shit out till the late game

If you can aim to use all 6 jade golem cards as a rogue by t6 (both shurikens, both mantid niggas, both jade spirits, 16 mana total out of 15, so impossible without prep or coin, but then this is a best case scenario, playing 3-5 jade cards by 6 is still strong) then aya is gonna be a HUGE tempo play on t6.

But then, realistically so will all the other cards from the 3rd jade card onwards

6 mana 5/3
Battlecry summon a 7/7
Deathrattle summon an 8/8

And then if people dont kill aya straight away because of their fear of bringing in the 8/8, shadowcaster comes in and compounds the problem

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New rogue card revealed

>>161153283
why the fuck are you using mentor with that much lategame you fucking shieldbearer

>>161152745

Because they're different cards

Mirror entity just looks at whatever just slammed down on the board and essentially uses faceless manipulator on it, buffs and all

Rez effects look at every minion that has died (that fits the criteria in the case of n'zoth) and picks random ones to "special summon" (no battlecries)

Hence why rez wont bring back a creature that died with a buff on it, just the vanilla unbuffed version

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Karazhan's trailer was probably the best but it made me realize how fucking terribly Karazhan failed at even being thematically good.

Like there isn't a single card that really says "this is a disco/gatsby party", a lot of it was theatre shit or some beauty and the beast talking silverware.

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>>161153194
Tip : If the background of the card does not have the correct logo, it usually mean it's fake.

This one has the classic logo instead of the Knuckle gang logo.

>>161153464
Every class should have gotten a Portal.

>>161152307
a 3 mana 2 damage ping that cannot ping anything with more than 2 attack and has summoning sickness is beyond fucking awful even in a slow ass meta

>>161153543
Homeward Portal
Rogue 4 mana
Return a random friendly minion to your hand
Summon a random 1-cost minion

>>161153813
Maybe "Undercity Portal : Target a Minion : Discover a Deathrattle Minion and copy the Deathrattle on the Targeted minion."

So Kripp was crying last night that Jade Idol will ruin fatigue, but it looks like Fatigue Druid will finally be viable with it. Thoughts?

>>161154272

Just run cho if you think you're gonna face fatigue druid, I dont see the issue

>>161154424
That's a good idea.

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>2 fatigue druids play each other
>no one ever loses and the game goes on forever

GOOD JOB BLIZZARD

>>161153618

Its only summoning sickness the first turn. After that you pay 3 mana per turn after you inspire him to call him back after attacking

This is of course assuming inspire is super value and you wanna do it anyway

>Cant ping more than 2 attack

You can, it just wont kill it

>>161154272
More like druids will add a copy of it in every deck to auto win fatigue matches.

>>161154424
>>161154454
>dead draw in every other matchup
>druid just needs to save one swipe to deal with it
shitters

>>161154535
Cho is good in any spell heaby match up. Mage, priest, Warlock.

Is kripp the worst popular card reviewer?

>>161154565
>cho is good vs warlock
>cho is good vs zoo
stop

>>161154528
But druid is and will be favoured against control warrior (only viable "fatigue" deck, gadgetzan will not change this), they don't need idol just for this match.

>>161154490

One will win because one will be summoning a golem first and have the bigger golem first, and eat the other golems

Just because you dont die from fatigue doesnt mean the enemy wont kill you

>>161154604
I have no clue why people like the retarded manchild neckbeard

>>161154604
Nah,. Amaz is way way way way worse.

>>161154664
Warlock also include Handlock. If they want to kill your Cho they have to give you a board clear.

>>161154490
You already can make a game last forever because of gangup lorewalker

>>161154727
He cool.

He's just mistaken about standard a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXTLKKNafc

>>161154738
Is handlock a new type of zoo deck?????

>>161154791
nah man he's like 30 something and streams a child's card game dude couldn't be a bigger joke

>>161154804
it's some face shitter deck with leeroy

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>>161154804
No. Zoo decks are decks with a lot of animals.

>>161154526
i meant it cant ping more than 5 attack
also if you call him back then if you want to ping again you have to play him again and wait sickess yet again

which also makes the price of the ping actually 5 mana since you pay 3 to play him then 2 to call him back

it's a useless card by any metric

>>161154791
>so old the video has now circled around to being right because cards like Malkorok see no play