/scg/ /edg/ Elite Citizen: Star Dangerous General 93

>broken links
>[Embed]
Congratulations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8Ty1dJafM
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15613-Esperia-Prowler-Q-A-Part-1

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>flight gymnastics

is there ez money farming on vanilla elite these days or is just those massacre missions on horizons right now?

>>160940771
Isn't bulk trading pretty ez :^)

>>160940915
gimme gud route pls. i'm already bored of bounty hunting.

What are the Exotic Ships of SC?

>>160941265
Ayy

>>160941265
Alien ships. Like the glaive, Xi'an Scout and Scythe.

>>160941265
probbly the alien ones

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Reply to this if you're a golden ticket original gangster

>>160941784
What's that?
I am lowly deluxe collector's box pleb

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>>160941784
Yo!

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>>160942012

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>>160942078
mmm
his very special package

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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15610-Intergalactic-Aerospace-Expo-Day-Six-Origin

>>160942386
more like origina

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>>160941784
So golden.
This ticket was a blessing and a curse.

890 price was reduced back down to 890

>>160942936
damn 890 for the 890

>>160943173
It was 900 when the sale first started.

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>>160942386
>Owning Origin ships other than LTI token 85x's

I shig, you dig?

>>160943695
But the of racify

>>160943695
I wish we knew the real value of LTI.

Would it be worth picking up the 325A?

>>160943876
It's a mild convenience

>>160943876
Exponentially proportional to the size of the ship.

>>160943876
Only good for expensive ships
As if some Avenger insurance is going to be prohibitive when there will be players without LTI, game would fucking suck

>>160943935
Yes but get a LTI 85X and CCU it to the 325a

>>160943952
I know what the theoretical value is.
I would love to *know* what that would mean in terms of UEC in game per 3monthly installment or whatever though.

>>160943695
M50 and 350r are sanic as heck, though.

>>160943876
Wait till they increase the aUEC to an unreasonable point where you dont want to pay for it to respawn. Or make it so once your insurance runs out you have to wait 24 hours or so to respawn your ship.

>>160944130
Exactly, could happen.
Am I right in thinking you will never be able to buy LTI in-game for UEC?

>>160944130
Source: the hole you cut into your taint to make a vagina

>>160944229
People would flip out tbqh, I doubt it

>>160944130
>once your insurance runs out you have to wait 24 hours or so to respawn your ship.


i would think once your insurance runs out you will be out of luck and if your ship is destroyed while under insuriance, you will have to wait to get it back

>>160944229
I doubt they'll make that an option inside the game to buy LTI
>>160944062 I think I might just do that.

>>160944229
Not for existing ships, unless they will change their mind. As for future possible new ship concepts ? Who knows.

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What do people think about CCU-ing an LTI 85x to Titan (regular) for the LTI on it.
I can see LTI on a Titan being worth it, because it is the sort of ship that makes you want to bite off more than you can chew, so might benefit from not paying through the nose on insurance claims.

>>160944390
Yeah, I could see your shit out of luck if you buy ships using the in game money. You'll become SOL when it blows up with no Insurance, but for those who actually paid money for their ships wouldn't be SOL.

If anybody remembers playing Mechwarrior when it was during alpha where you had to pay for everything such as Repairs. Rebuying weapons, reloading, and well in SC you'd also pay for fuel. I'd kinda hope it'd go into that kinda state to where if you didn't have the UEC to fix your ship completely you'd be flying a junker till you earned enough UEC to repair it.

>>160944658
Were you worried about repair costs in RPG games?
Just bear in mind they won't want new players to be put off by LTI being some overwhelming advantage

>>160944658
There's no logical reason not to get LTI if you can for same price.

Assuming there's a black friday sale or something coming up:

A million years ago, I pledged for an LTI freelancer, along with all of the cool goodies they promised back then do you think they'll actually ship a spaceship shaped USB stick that you can install the game to?, for the title and because I bought it for the promise of a Freelancer 2.

I've flown around in it and my 325, and kinda enjoyed it, but don't look particularly forward to having a space truck as my primary ship, so I'm wondering if I can replace it, keep all the goodies I pledged for way back, and instead get some VHF type ship preferably something like the Anubis (the order VHF)

>>160944815
Isn't it always more via the 85x?
Ship upgrade screen shows the ship as worth less than the pledge cost to me. Probably still worth it though maybe.

>max size: fixed size 1

did they nerf the avengers wing guns?

>>160944946
85x and titan are 50$ ships, I picked up a load of CCUs between them yesterday.

>>160944859
If you want to keep all your vintage shit I'm pretty sure you have to upgrade it (even to something the same price)

>>160944946
They're both $50, and upgrade from x85 to Titan is $0, at least that's what it shows for me.

>>160944558
I own a Dragonfly, Gladius Valiant, Cutlass Black. I really want a Mustang Delta but I doubt they'll be doing a sale for those this week.

>>160944859
Simply buy an upgrade from your current ship to a higher priced one, everything in your package stays the same, except for ship.

>>160945127
Friday grand finale will have everything outside of crazy scythe shit I swear on me mum
Same as last year

>>160944859
CIG have never done a "sale" Sale have they, where they actually drop prices?

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>>160944859
You could Cross Chassis Upgrade the Freelancer to an F7C Hornet for free, which is a civilian version of a military dogfighter. You missed the sale of the more nimble pirate/civilian fighter Buccaneer or the upgraded F7C-M Super Hornet. However, if you don't mind spending an extra 65 bucks you could get an Aegis Sabre as an advanced nimble dogfighter when it goes on sale in two days.

>>160945234
I thought Cig has done sales where they reduced prices by 20% on some ships. I remember the Hornet Sale. They also did a sale on reducing the starter packages cost as well.

>>160945234

They had discounted starter packages at one point, but if I remember right. All the whales bought them up so they could have more character slots or some other stupid reason.

>>160942386
>Avenger Intel Inside

>>160945503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8LLhHq9_c

>>160943695
I got an LTI Sabre Comet

fite me

I also got a Comet -> Carrack Upgrade :^)

>>160945042
>>160945190
>>160945331
Thanks lads

>>160945231
will it have javelins?

Mustang Delta or 325A?

>>160945695
for around 7 seconds

>>160945874
Delta: More guns, more maneuverable.

>>160945874
300 series is due to some serious rework, they might turn out much better than they're now, but it's a gamble.

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>>160944859
Funny thing about the Freelancer is that it's pretty close to the size, firepower, and handling of the actual "Very Heavy Fighter" Vanguard.

>>160947437
While empty***

>>160944991
No. They did nerf the missiles down to either 1xS2 rack or 2xS1 per wing though.

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>>160898374
I hope this means we get space bayonets then.

>>160947437
Fuck, why is the freelancer so sexy?

>>160947437
>trying to game a video game

I don't have a Vanguard but I'm sure they'll set their armor values pretty fucking high when that's implemented

>>160947828
Because it's a flying steel sausage.

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>>160947753
Except, you know, scifi bayonets.

>>160947828
Literally a penis

Can you spawn multiple ships in the PU at the moment? Ie can I spawn a ship for myself and a ship for someone else at the same time?

>>160948032
>Jetpack powered bayonet charge
Want

>>160948093
Planes are literally penises and have been literally penises for the past 50 years.

http://steamcharts.com/app/419270#1y

>mfw

what the fuck happened

a solid 2,400 people played for a whole month, only 150 people quit, then 1500 left in the next month, then the entire 415 was gone in the next, and it says 0 people have played since march, not one bump of activity

how does this even happen

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>>160947753
>using cyrillic like this
triggered, comrade

I'm more wondering if melee will end up like this.

>>160948219
that looks broken considering a ton of people were playing last night / today

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>>160948219
That looks absurdly broken and probably is since the base game and Horizons are launched through the same app in your library now.
http://steamcharts.com/app/359320 this is more accurate, although there are some people who don't have it linked to their steam account but they're such a low number of people its not much of a difference, give or take 100 players or so.

So what's the point of the Avenger variant? Even the Titan comes with S2 wing guns, so they could have at least strapped S2 Tarantulas or whatever to it.

>>160949484
>1,200 player jump in August that hasn't been lost since
What the fuck happened in August? Looking at the Version History on the wiki, no significant patches came in August.

>>160949548
To milk obsessive collectors and people who don't know how to into LTI tokens?

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>>160949828
Maybe thats when Horizons finally became not a fuck you to original owners and became a separate Season Pass?
I wouldn't know exactly when they changed that, I just know they did because I got back into the game when Guardians came out when I saw Horizons wasn't a $60 package only anymore.

>>160949828
Maybe Derek made a whole lot of accounts with game packages to create his own multi-boxing army just to piss off people because he got no friends.

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>>160949993
That's probably it, yeah.

>>160949484
wow what in the everloving fuck is going on

i bought it and redeemed the key and its just telling me i need to redeem the key still

it said if i was hvaing trouble set the download priority for elite dangerous to high, and restart steam, so i did even though it already shows horizons as installed DLC

and its still just fucking telling me i need to link it, and when i try to now, it tells me the key has already been redeemed, and then just forces the game to close

everything just has to fuck me

>>160950149
How much money do you think they made off that scummy tactic?

>>160950663
'bout three fiddy

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>>160950973

how the hell do I succeed in conflict zones?
The most expensive combat ship I have access to is a vulture, but that's not usable because when ships randomly decided to spawn on me I have no way of escaping. Meanwhile, medium weapons just tickle these military ships. Is it just impossible without a large ship?

>>160939725
>Average Sabre owner enjoying their flight stick

>>160950484
I had the same issues, it either takes a few minutes or you need to restart steam
Restarting Steam was instant registration for me.

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>>160951353
You're fighting alongside a small army so fight like it. Find a Heavy/Superheavy Hull ship on your side like a Python, Anaconda, or the Faction specific Anaconda equivalents and stay by their side. Defend them or attack what they attack, if an enemy ship flees fast enough it would draw you away from your big buddy DO NOT chase it unless you can finish it quickly.
Also
>Medium Hardpoints
A Vulture has 2 Large Hardpoints, unless that was just a wording error on your part. I would hope you don't have 2 Mediums on Larges.

>>160953524
I'm not using a vulture, it's instant death in those areas because when npc enemies randomly spawn half of them target me and I have no chance of escaping. I'm in a courier

>>160953750
If you stick to your allies eventually its always a 2:1 in your favor because you all gang up on every ship that warps in.
Don't pick a faction when you first enter the zone either, that WILL get you gangbanged immediately. Wait for all of the inital spawns and let them aggro on each other before entering the fray. Conflict Zones is one of my main ways of making big bucks and is very efficient when you get your tactics down for it.

>>160945127
>want a Mustang Delta but I doubt they'll be doing a sale
It will literally be on sale tomorrow.

We're getting mechs, right?

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>>160954132
To some extent

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12978-Introducing-Your-RSI-Space-Suit

>Class IX – Full blown mech suit. Somewhere between a space suit and the power loader from Alien. These repair the outsides of large ships, move heavy objects in hangars, etc.

>>160954236
No, I need walkers.
I need bi- to quadrupedal tanks.

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>>160945331
>play elite dongerous
>get a bigger ship
>still have to steer the ship myself

Fucking why can't I just tell someone else to steer the damn thing?

>>160953750
You should also go for Low Intensity Zones if you're in a smaller ship, save High Intensitys for when you have a beefier ship that can take the punishment.

>>160954413
You can from what I understand. You can hire NPCs to fly your ship while you are outside flying a smaller ship, but only then.

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>>160954413
Because you're the helmsman? I also wouldn't trust NPCs to maneuver as well as you're able to either unless they're Elite rank.
Although these things aren't even possible atm, we'll see how co-pilots work in the next expansion to see how control is split up.

>>160954132
power armor, not mechs

>>160954335
Well I doubt they scrapped this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2FBL3Br04

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>>160954594
A real ship's captain would hire a helmsman to fly the fucking ship where he told them too. Just like in real life. The dads can't stand any lose in muh imurshun.

>>160955020
>The dads can't stand any lose in muh imurshun.
They're gonna hate The Commanders :^)

>>160955020
Yeah but in the VISION universe, NPCs take a huge cut of all the money you make even if they're useless retards.
>What's that? You want to hire me or one of these 50 other unemployed pilots to fly your giant ship? Okay, but I get 40% of your gross earnings.

>>160955020
Like >>160954503 said you can, just jump in your fighter and have your Dangerous or Elite crew member fly your ship.

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>>160955020
These aren't captains though, they're CMDRs.

>>160955379
>Sure you can have a mook fly your ship for you. You just have to fly another, much smaller ship yourself the entire time, defeating the whole purpose
Fuck off, Braben.

>>160954962
unf

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>>160955365
Shit tier ranks take like a 10-18% cut m8. I hope you don't expect a Master or higher pilot to be cheap

>>160955020
>Letting some other faggot do the maneuvering of your ship
Even when the next expansion comes around I'm only letting co-pilots direct weapons/auxiliary shit.

>>160955737
Oh I don't want an NPC flying either, even top ranks spaghetti sometimes. I'll have a bud fly if I ever switch over the controls.

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>>160954594
>Because you're the helmsman? I also wouldn't trust NPCs to maneuver as well as you're able to either

Hey, my spaceship might be the size of modern naval warship... but I literally have to steer it myself in order to point the nose of my ship at targets so that I can shoot them effectively...

Or... y'know, you could have interesting and tactical gameplay for larger ships.

Just managed to bountyhunt a Competent Fer De lance with a three man escort in an unengineered Keelback witth mostly Sub-A-grade parts and a Taipan with a rookie NPC, made it out with 10% hull.

Did I done good?

>>160956040
What game do you think this is?
Star citizen??

>>160956040
Don't tell me you use nothing but gimballed or fixed on something like a Conda. You need to have some turrets or nimble ships will stay out of your front for most of the fight.

>>160956350
>Star citizen?
No you see I used the word "gameplay".

>>160956378
>I can't trust an NPC to steer my ship! I must do that myself!
>but I can completely trust all the turrets on my ship to automatically shoot enemy ships without my input.

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>>160956624
>Comparing flying a ship to auto-targetting weapons
M8.

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>>160956624
Yes I can trust to have some turrets, because I know 100% those will always be hitting the target when its in their field of fire. Where with anything below Dangerous rank I can't 100% trust to maneuver well.

>>160956962
I'm also not the one saying I'm opposed to having an NPC fly your ship while you direct other systems, it would just cost me a good bit to have an NPC good enough to do so reliably OR I'll have another player I can trust to do it.

I bought the dragonfly 2 pack if I upgrade one of them to a different ship will the new ship still have LTI as well?

>>160956962
>because I know 100% those will always be hitting the target when its in their field of fire.

Wow that's fun and engaging gameplay right there.

>Where with anything below Dangerous rank I can't 100% trust to maneuver well.

Yes this matters when 100% of your gameplay revolves around pointing your nose at a target. In a sane universe with a large ship, you'd have more interesting forms of gameplay available to you.

>>160957272
The pack has whatever insurance you bought it with, ship upgrades don't change that.
So yes.

>>160957696
cool thanks

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>>160957636
>In a sane universe with a large ship, you'd have more interesting forms of gameplay available to you
There will be. YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE FUCKING VISION™

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>>160957636
We're still waiting on the VISION. We'll see how shit changes for larger ships. IF it changes.

Let's say you get in the game, and own an M50, 300i, Avenger, Hornet, Gladius, Cutlass, Orion and Retaliator.

Let's say you didn't cave in to this paywall cash shop faggotry.

Let's say, each ship costs 10,000 UEC per week to pay for landing fees.

Let's say you get bored of the game and decide to take the week off over Christmas.

Let's say you log out while you only have 50,000 UEC in your account.

You come back, and didn't have enough money to pay the station to house your ships, so they literally took them away? What happens? Are people going to be limited to 1 or 2 ships in the PU since they will all require landing fees, hull insurance and weapon insurance?

Insurance really is a scam, in-game and real life.

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>Both communities are stuck in an eternal cycle of waiting
WAKE US FROM THIS MORTAL COIL

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>Every single part of this is going to be playable area
>Every single building
>Every square meter of the moons in the background
I like dreaming about how good it will be once it's finished

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All this talk of Superheavy hulls not having more options almost makes me happier I've never had an interest in big ships.

>>160958335
Not paying insurance just means anything blown up is lost forever, if it runs out your ship doesn't disappear or anything.
Fuck knows when it comes to hangar fees though, the free hangar perk seems like a way bigger deal than LTI.

>>160958450
Nah nigger city worlds are old style landing zones only. Unless that's just a smallish city area.
You can't just fly wherever in Coruscant 2.0 because how the fuck would they make an entire planet to that detail.

>>160958952
theyre still going to need to be large enough to host a server worth of people trying to land unless they incorporate an instanced hangar in another dimension

even if it's small scattered points, they can expand over time easily within reason

>>160959807
They can be big and all but it obviously isn't as impressive as the less built up worlds where you can fly wherever you want without a fade to black.
We were born too early for dank games.

>>160955556
A shitty pilot demanding a 10% share is ridiculous, go back to sucking Braben's cock

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>>160958335
I don't think landing fees are a constantly accruing thing like rent.

>EVA from 325A to complete a mission
>Get booted through floor
>Go complete mission
>Go back to ship
>Open door
>Trigger animation to get inside
>Get inside
>Thrown through the floor
>Try again from the other side
>Same thing happens
>Try flying in manually
>Get killed by collision
I'd have been happy with getting Freelancer 2 last year

>>160960551
>I'd have been happy with getting Freelancer 2 last year
Good thing literally no one that matters agrees with you then.

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>>160955215
>>160955365
>>160955379
>>160955379
>>160955383
>>160955737

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@160960679

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>>160960679

>>160960679
There's literally nothing to do in this thread but respond to bait, so catching (You)s here is pretty low-hanging fruit m8. You going to show us the trophies you won at the special olympics that other time you were just pretending to be retarded?

Why does SC seem to have little to no AA right now?

Is there some way to inject a working mode or something? All these jaggies are really triggering me.

>>160961561
That isn't done this early on in any game development because the reasons

>>160961663
>That isn't done this early on in any game development because the reasons
This twink knows what he's talking about.

>>160961663
Except they have it running on all the demos for new versions they show at Citcon and the like...

Will there be any reason to play E:D once SC releases? I'm not trying to be divisive, but I feel like E:D doesn't have much to offer in comparison.

>>160942386
Alright so. I have a Comet, and a Stalker Package, and $5 credit.

Do I
A) Renegade, Comet, Mustang/Aurora starter ($40 out of pocket)
B) 85x meme to regular Titan, Keep Stalker, Comet ($45 out of pocket)
C) Renegade, Comet, Stalker ($75 out of pocket)
I like the hardpoint swap on the Renegade. I need to figure out if they're before or after the wing blow off line. I also don't forsee the prisoner cells on the stalker being of any use for a long time.

>>160962161
That depends on if it develops as SC does I guess

Time for my 6 monthly check in, what's the latest news? Is the cutlass still shit? Will they ever fix it?

2.6 or 3.0 when?

>>160962681
Biannually is a better term

2.6 no earlier than early December (12/8 estimated)

3.0 one day

>>160962681
2.6 and 3,0 only exist in dreams atm.

>>160962469
wtf why would you buy these meme versions?

wtf why would you want two variants of the same ship?

I guess A but what the hell are you doing man

>>160962469
The comet, I bought because I actually like the paintjob, and you can't get a normal Sabre anyway.

The Titan, I think the cargo will be more useful in the end, and if the Hardpoint swap means losing my wing guns less often, that'd be pretty great. The paintjob is shit though.

>>160962886
>wtf why would you want two variants of the same ship?
Oh, and because if getting lti on an Avenger in any form means having 3 ships at this point, I may as well have that 3rd ship be more useful than a shitty Aurora MR/Mustang Alpha.

>>160962161
Not really. All the feature plans are the same in the end, but to get all the features on ED you have to buy expansions.

The only reasons ED might be better than SC in the end is if A) You like ED's flight model better, and B) SC doesn't turn out to be mega-pay2win.

I have $60 in store credits, what's the best use of this?

>>160963019
I think the Renegade hardpoints are identical to the Titan hardpoints, its just that the renegade stats page is up-to-date with 2.6 changes in mind.

>>160964342
85X LTI sos yous cans upgrades anys ships yous wants when tha times comes with LTI.

can you buy a ship with Store Credits + Money.

because I'm thinking about liquidating one of my 45 dollars pledges and buying that LTI 85x but I need an extra 5 dollars for it.

>>160962469
for what purpose exactly do you want any of the variants that arent the gladius

and don't say "the skins look good" or "i wanted a different weapon loadout", this is a serious question

not like theyre going to be rare or grow in value, limited time offer shit is still shit

does anyone know when is the next reverse the verse going to be out?

Did they specify what build they were aiming the cutlass rework for? I know they talked about the ship in the livestream, but did they say if ti was 2.6, 3.0, 3.x or what?

>>160965807
They didn't.

>>160965507
Can't gift/sell it if credits are involved but yes you can put as many credits towards it as you want.

>>160965507
You enter the store credit amount on the checkout page.

Remember to keep SQ42 + SC, don't get rid of a pledge which might lose them, only standalone ships.

>>160964342
Depends what you have already.

>>160963019
>you can't get a normal Sabre anyway
You can tomorrow and Saturday.

>>160966236
>Depends what you have already.

Cutlass Black and an 85x.

>>160966236
Is everything going back on sale on Saturday?

>>160966671
Only the things that have been available the past couple days.
So not 'everything' but damn near.

what are some comfy space movies? I've watched too much grim shit lately and it's getting old. Preferably something with a good soundtrack i can use while playing later

So... riddle me this.
If when the game goes beta, and we can buy ships in-game for UEC, and ship prices in UEC are approximately 3-10x what their "pre purchase" dollar value is, then if I sell a ship I've bought for real dollars in-game, i'm going to make a relative UEC profit?

>>160966671
Everything is going back on sale on the last day (the last day of Prowler / 85X LTI sale).

>>160966390
I just looked at the upgrade system and you can either 85X -> F7C (I wouldn't recommend it) or Cutlass -> $160 ship (I don't know any off-hand).

Personally if I had $60 store credit, and your ships, I would save it until the last day of the sale and look at the upgrade system again, and try to narrow down what kind of ship I want for the money, i.e. a fighter or hauler or whatever.

>>160966895
space truckers

>>160966895
Interstellar

>>160967070
>>160966390
Also, I would consider saving the store credit for future sales, and keep the 85X LTI for now. There will be more weapons in the future, and more ships.

Don't be in a rush to spend the credit unless you want a rare / sale ship. Consider the next sale might be at Christmas, PAX, or Citizencon / Anniversary 2017.

>>160967057
No.

>>160967057
Sounds about right. Also remember that insurance is tied to the hull, so people will be selling LTI ships at ridiculous mark ups to try and make massive amounts of UEC

What are the chances of seeing a discounted Mustang+SQ42 package until saturday? I want to recuit some of my friends to the game and lower pricing could help me to convince them? I need to man my Freelancer.

>>160967334
>>160967405
Theoretically to me:

Super Hornet as example.

165$
165 000 UEC

Sold in-game (new from showroom, std insurance) at 3x
495 000 UEC

Sold 2nd-hand by players (std insurance) for less than 495 000 UEC
-otherwise people won't see a reason to buy it over showroom, unless limited availability

Sold 2nd hand by players but with LTI at more than 495 000 UEC
-mark up for LTI- end user "saves" insurance costs

>>160962161
Depends on how much E:D comes along till then. As it stands right now I like how E:D controls more but thats subject to change as SC develops.

>this means an 890 Jump will become an $890,000 ship
>a Polaris a $750,00 ship
>have to insurance for them
>lose one in space and you're out all that money
>will literally have to work, in game, to do anything you want ship wise
>will likely be stuck with shitty poor-roras and Reliants 90% of the time
"D-don't worry guys! Y-you'll be able to b-buy stuff in game! No need to be concerned about buying ships and LTI now! Swear on me mum!"

>>160968656
if u buy a $700+ ship without lti you deserve whats coming to you

>>160962161
If SC takes as long to release as we think it will E:D might be reaching the end of its lifetime by then anyway.

What is the best midrange priced ship for cargo hauling and exploring? If I don't get one-shot from pirates that would be a plus.

>>160968807
ed is already at the end of its lifetime

>>160968881
>Playerbase on Steam has stayed at the same range of 6,000-8,000 for the entire year
>Even jumped to 9,000 in the past 4 months
Don't think its at its end yet m8. Maybe when we know nothing else is coming which will probably be by the end of 2017. Then all eyes will be on SC.

>>160968807
E:D has a small playerbase that hasn't shifted heavily since Dec of 2015. When it drops to 2,000 or less, it'll be the end.

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would you go to sag a and back for 39 million credits just so that some fucking roastie could snap a few polaroids?

>>160969449
>>160968881

>>160969458
Considering if I'm careful I get plenty of scans at the core wh

>>160969458
>>160969572
Considering if I'm careful I can get plenty of scans at the core to make even more, so yeah.
had auto-post on like an idiot, sorry

>>160969449
They'd get a much larger playerbase if they abandoned the dads, made the game less of a grind, fixed the unbearable p2p instanced multiplayer, and added simple quality of life elements that make it so you don't need 3rd party sites to find basic information.

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>>160962161
Like someone already stated their plans for all included features are the same in the end, its gonna be a question of how FDev is gonna expect you to pay for it and personal preferences on universe, lore, designs, style, etc. More expansion costs might be the deal breaker for me whenever SC releases but as it stands right now my opinion is SC needs improvements to its flight model and by extension, combat.

>>160970093
People give Roberts shit, but at least they're not forcing you to purchase multiple game packages to get all content, yet. Maybe FDev should have done something like this. I'm sure the dads would have loved to fund the game even further.

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>>160970027
I don't know if they'll abandon the dads with how much of a percentage they make up but I sure as hell hope they become less of a fucking influence. I just hope if they do they don't jump ship to SC.
Its less of a grind than it was last year with the increased variety and some combat types giving huge payouts, but it 100% still needs refining.
The p2p networking is imo the biggest thing plaguing the game right now. It and clogging which is a symptom of it is just drives people away when they learn these two things fucks over their chances of playing with others.
QoL elements is something that have come in slowly over its lifetime which it needs more of. Specifically I would love for the Galaxy Map to have more specific filter options and for their to be an actual categorized list for when you look at your visited systems. That way I wouldn't have to keep a fucking Spreadsheet to keep track of all of the high dollar systems and stellar bodies I've found.
>>160970435
True but it would've been a dicier situation. The Dads throw huge sums of money just for every cosmetic thats added right now and probably would pay out of pocket even more if you could get packages like SC offers. But that also may have drawn away the casual %, which makes up an even bigger number since E:D is on Xbone.

are dads the same as whales? at what point are you considered a dad/whale?

>>160970680
>Dads throw huge sums of money just for every cosmetic that gets added

Yeah, but that isn't getting me a better game. Nor is that getting me next season's content.

>>160970773
A whale is a person that spends ludicrous sums of money. A whale and a dad are not the same thing. But they can be the same person.

>>160970773
Dads don't necessarily have to spend large amounts of money. They just defend every terrible decision by Ftroop because MUH NOSTALGIA and MUH SIMULATION. But they cry to the developers whenever the exact same simulation is used by others to the dad's detriment.

>>160970941
Don't forget that they're the epitome of indecisive, hypocritical casual scum. They argue for immersion when it suits them only. Also entirely against all combat.

>>160970832
Its funding. Whether its the Dad's giving or not its funding. FDev has very slowly been trying to peel away from those faggots and I wish they would just rip their mentality away from the design of the game immediately already. It would benefit the game's longevity and quality immensely.
>tfw The Commanders will probably be the least liked by Dads because it might spoil their immersion to actually have a meaningful way to interact with a player
Makes me sick to the fucking stomach. I hope the next expansion is a turning point, I really do.

>>160970832
>>160970941
do whales are good but dads are bad?

>>160971301
Whales are less immediately harmful to the game. They spend large quantities of money, essentially funding the game. When a whale becomes a dad they are immensely harmful to the game unless you have someone who has fully embraced the spectrum, like Chris Roberts, to keep the vision on track.

>>160971296
Like I said, that funding doesn't get me ED: Season 3. If I decided to start playing again, I would most likely have to drop another x amount of money to get their next gameplay expansion. I'm not okay with this.

>>160971301
Whales are people who are blindly buying everything the game offers while NOT injecting their opinion in the game and bitching when changes don't suit them. They fund the game but don't fuck over the game.
Dads are people who are blindly buying everything the game offers while they ARE injecting their opinion in the game and bitching when changes don't suit them. They fund the game but ruin it at the same time.
So yes Dads are faggots while Whales, who aren't exactly the brightest of people to throw money at something so whimsically, don't hurt anything.

>>160971518
I know. And like I said before that might be what breaks the camels back for me between it and SC when SC and E:D are both completely finished.

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just tried out my reliant kore in vandul swarm. holy shit, it really is garbage. my old 315p was way better than this.

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How good will Star Citizen be for Exploration? Of all the things thats something I don't see discussed here often.
How much of the galaxy will be traversable and how much accuracy will it have to what we know today?

Kay if I wanted to equip better missiles on my Gladius which ones would I rent. I've tried the Dominators they were kinda lack luster.

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>>160972583
tempest IIs

>>160972562
It'll have randomly generated uncharted systems and jump points you have to map. Hopefully the act of exploration is more rewarding both intrinsically and extrinsically than Elite's shitshow of honk'n scan.

>>160972695
Kay I'll take that into consideration, have you tried Task force, and Strike force missiles yet?

>>160972583
all missiles are shit in 2.5. they'll probably be shit again, slightly less so in 2.6

if 2.4 is to be believed, dominators and rattlers are excellent in terms of actually hitting targets and not whiffing the missile

rattlers were scary AF in 2.4 when they actually worked

>>160972814
Rattlers annoy the fuck out of me right now cause they just cause a line of explosives.

>>160968859
Star Citizen? Freelancer. DUR Variant has more of an exploration leaning but the base lancer can be fitted similarly.

Elite? Asp Explorer. Honorable mention to Diamondback Scout and Cobra Mk III, but you can't beat the AspX for exploration/cargo flip flopping.

>Avenger Renegade
>Missile pylon: S2
>the actual missile equipped is a S3

can someone explain the new missile hardpoint system?

>>160973443
you can't trade in a diamondback scout, it has fuck all internals. The diamondback explorer has more internals, but still not enough to make trading worth a damn

>trying to flip missions
>main menu taking 30+ seconds to open in this fucking station for some reason
GIVE ME THE FUCKING MASSACRES

>>160972959
they don't actually split into swarm missiles in 2.5, the missile just stays as 1 missile and attempts hopelessly to hit target. i know it shows multiple missile locks but i assure you its not doing shit

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>>160961018
>>160961132
>>160961382

>>160974649
>Could not update mission database

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>>160976974

>>160976974
If you were going to shoop that image to make yourself look smaller, Ben, you shouldn't have made yourself so much smaller that's it's obvious.

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>>160976974

>>160958335
>You come back, and didn't have enough money to pay the station to house your ships, so they literally took them away? What happens? Are people going to be limited to 1 or 2 ships in the PU since they will all require landing fees, hull insurance and weapon insurance?

Insurance only ticks down when you're playing the game.

You guys really spend way too much time theorycrafting and not enough reading Dev comments.

In this day and age of Sabres, does the m50 still have a place in dogfights?

>>160973751
It's called "We just making numbers up because it will be changed in a month"

On evocati, the Avenger has S2 pylon mounts. With the missile system as implemented, that means each pylon can equip a rack that holds a single S2 missile or a rack that holds two S1 missiles.

I have no clue where they're getting this S3 missile shit from.

>>160973751

I'm interested in this too.

>>160958450
I'm not quite sure the city's will be of that scale the amount of detail already planned for the game I think the city size and building entry is going to be on par with most mmos like swtor etc as you have to make sacrifices somewhere.

so, hows squadron 42 coming up?

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THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM
Budget: $90 million USD
Development team: 80
Development time: 3 years

STAR CITIZEN
Budget: $130 million USD
Development team: 268 + outsourcing for animations, voice acting
Development time: 4 years
State: 3+ years remaining until release

>>160979023
Nope. It's a racer now.

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Hey Star Citizen fans, can you do me a favor?

Take a look at these images of procedurally generated planets and tell me which one was made by:

1) the 130 employee company with $140 million US dollars of funding, over the course of four years

2) the 58 year old Russian astronomer, over the course of six months, in his free time away from his 10-hour job

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>>160979602

idk, i'm not in evocati

can only base it off what they've released to us

did they really bump down the wing guns to size 1 or is that another typo on their part?

>>160962681
Cutless got rewroked finely and beefed up with an extra s3 hard point and overall size increase.

>>160967975
>>160967405
Somewhere they have already said LTI equiped ships will have sales limits to other players for LTI/ship quantity balance reasons

LTI is still "rare" and hard to get outside token memeing lore wise.

>>160979846
wut r u tryin 2 say?

>>160979724
do u have to post this every thread

>>160979846
1 left, 2 right

>>160979724
>>160980059
He's not wrong. This game is a scam and you've been had.

Piss off Derek, nobody cares anymore, and you're not even getting my (you).

>>160980352
>>160979724
so what u want me to do?
go play skyrim if you love it so much

>>160979846
i mean the 2nd one looks like some shit from 2007 so i guess skip to the point and state clearly the point youre trying to make here

I too can scroll through thousands of frames in a youtube upload of a sub-60fps stream to find the blurriest artifact filled frame

>>160979724
>Development time: 3 years
add about two more to that number to include all the bugs/texture/mesh/scripting/effect fixes that modders had to add to bring the game up to the level that a 2011 game should have been at in the first place.

>>160979724
Gonna need bigger bait to carry that weight!

>>160979913
Typo or maybe they didn't list gimbals. They're still S2 on evocati.

>>160979724
>Bethesda / Gamebryo engine
>Good games

1 or the other you cant have both without waiting 2-3 years for all the dank mods to be out

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>>160962681
They fixed it. Flies about like the Freelancer now though. Granted, a freelancer with a good view isn't exactly a bad thing.

>>160979724
>Comparing a shit game to a game thats unfinished yet somehow still better than vanilla Skyrim
Your point?

>>160981046
but the current cutlass currently out maneuvers the freelancer for days and the rework may only slow it down

also don't ever compare a good ship to something like a freelancer ever again

>>160944130
>>160944229
Kinda doubt it is going to be that punishing, as they said that your ship is supposed to be the 'main character' of the game, and not so much the human character.

>>160981139
>assuming that I'm talking about 2.5

>>160979846
>How most planets out there actually look, a ball of barren rock
>Next is wishful thinking, theres a 1 in a million chance of any planet having a view like that while being habitable with a decent atmosphere
I have the same argument with people who bitch about it in E:D

Pets when? I hope they dont die when your ship blows up

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How do I look guys?

>>160979846
>Implying the 2nd image is procedurally generated
Only way you can fill out an entire galaxy is heavily varied procedural generation with realistic constraints so you don't get stellar bodies that can not possibly exist.
Trying to handcraft billions of star systems is impossible in a reasonable length of time, it'll take you decades if you don't get lazy.

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>>160949828
No Man's Sky was released mid-August.

>>160981617
like a background character in watchdogs 2

This thread has the worst memes

2 bait posts in a row with no responses, I'm impressed.

Keep up the good work /scg/

>>160982074
but he does look like a background character in watchdogs 2

>tfw I fell for the third bait post

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>>160982154
Are you sure about that?

What's the easiest way to find Grim Hex?

I tried following some guide earlier, found some pirates near a big-ass asteroid around Yela - killed them, but the asteroid turned out to be just a plain hunk of rock.

Then the game crashed, leaving me back at square one - is there some easy way to do this shit?

Also, if you've been there once, do you get a jump point there, or do you have to go looking for it all over again?

When can I laser cut with a hand-tool through the hull of literally anything?

>>160982416
Never

>Hitting the 1,000 material limit
REEEEEEEEEEE
WHY IS THERE EVEN A LIMIT FTROOP?

>>160981617
like you smoke crack at bus stops

>>160981046
Some of these rework plans mention it having tractor beams (those bulky things on the end of the front wings I assume) have they talked about how that works at all yet?

>>160964458
So the hard point position swap on the Renegade is a 2.6 change to all avengers? Can avocados confirm?

>>160982716

considering they've said all the new 'variants' are just default ships with different loadouts and a paint job I'd venture to say yes

>>160982372
you only get a travel marker if you're a criminal. I find qt'ing from the ICC probe works the bes. it will be near the third large asteroid on your right.

>>160981236
oh, you mean it's just another space plane now instead of the acceptable light gunship it was and should be more of now?

assuming youre playing m/kb but man they fucked up if that thing isnt still a strafe king

>>160982372
Easiest way to find it is go to the ICC Probe, then jump to yela. Turn right into the asteroid belt and look for a small cluster of small asteroids together. It looks like a broken pelvis bone.

so star citizen fans

riddle me this

star citizen isnt released yet

how can u justfiy that

>>160982752
Still, it'd be nice to know for sure. I'm only interested in the Renegade for that reason.

>>160983304
not our job to justify it

its not like we are on charge of development

>>160983465

but is buggy?

>>160983664
Wot?

>>160983664
it is really buggy and the shell of a game at the moment

if that is a legitimate question then i would advice to not play it in this state. wait until 3.0 comes out

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@160979724
Star Citizen :
- built the 5 studio from scratch
- had to hire and train the development team
- modified 50% of their game engine
- is revolutionizing the genre before it's even out

Skyrim :
- already had a studio
- already had an engine they barely improved
- couldn't fucking improve their mechanics to save their live
- was has-been before it even started development

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@160979846
> 6 month
The guy took 10 years to get any semblance of gameplay
His planet don't have tree and look like shit on the ground
I bet you can't see the shadow of the clouds, oh wait, is there even clouds ?

Call me when he make it look like as good as this

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>Want to use my Avenger
>gun basically is never not overheated because it takes forever to cooldown
>lose will to fly avenger

every time

plz tell me 2.6 made this less of an issue

>>160938956
So apparently Eve: Online has an indefinite trial now, just in case any of you actually want to play a Space Game.

>>160984123
>EVE
>Space game

Pick one

>>160947753
The sword was for another project. Someone shopped the image. CR confirmed knives only, no swords.

>>160984123
Aw yeah man I can't wait to update me some spreadsheets and maybe click my one unit around the map a bit in the RTS mode.

>>160984123
Everything that is good about EVE is better in ultima online, and ultima online has 0 spreadsheets

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>>160983865
>>160983975
>falling for the same weak bait posted EVERY thread

I hope your jimmies were rustled

>>160984123
I wouldn't play Eve Online even if they paid me to do so.
That shit is everything a game shouldn't be

>>160984297
>and maybe click my one unit around the map a bit in the RTS mode.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Be the guy telling people what to do.
There's always a shortage of FCs.

>>160984308
I mostly agree with this.
Good thing UO still has a playerbase, right?

>>160984515
>asteroid mining and production isnt comfy as fuck.
EVE has issues for sure, but it only becomes true suffering if you take it giga seriously.

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>>160984640
>next year some of the die hards on uo freeshards will have been pking for a full 20 years

How many Ursa land wars will there be when 3.0 hits?

>>160984760
>mining
>comfy
The minerals you mine yourself are not free.
There is an opportunity cost from not selling them.
Quit tanking the ship market.

>>160984760
>comfy

Is that code for doing one boring thing over and over again till you convince yourself its fun?

Because we already have that in Elite. So thanks, but no.

>>160970941
Nice! You can easily put people in little boxes and then treat them in a derogatory manner without bothering to actually getting to know them.

>>160985080
It just means people like different things.
If you don't like things, do other things.
You might like things I don't like, but do I bitch and moan about it?
No, I just do the things I like instead.

>>160985704
hi you must be new here, welcome to 4chan

>>160985704
lmao.

>>160985917
>It just means people like different things.
The rest was extraneous.

>>160985917
>It just means people like different things.

No shiat. Doesn't change anything I said. If mining in EVE is as mind numbingly boring as mining in E:D then thanks but no thanks.

Stop getting triggered.

>>160985996
>>160986063
At least appreciate the right sentence:
>If you don't like things, do other things.

>>160986063
>If mining in EVE is as mind numbingly boring
Don't mine in EVE. That's not what EVE's about. Leave mining to the bots.

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>>160985917
the problem is that these space games are not common, and those of us who like our space games to be about fun gameplay and being an active agent in a huge world are shafted in favor of those who want to go from point A to point B over and over or shooting at rocks. Probably because the latter are easier to please.
Also this is 4chan and people bitch about stuff. I'd say at least 50% of the total posts in 4chan's history have been somebody complaining about something

>>160986345
>50%
I think thats being generous

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>and those of us who like our space games to be about fun gameplay
>and being an active agent in a huge world

>>160986409
The massive scale wars only happen occasionally. Even then your actual role in combat is all point and click, its not engaging at all.

>>160986409
As an EVE player what's you're suggesting is utter bullshiat of the highest order.

The vast majority of EVE's players aren't active agents in anything. There are only a few dozen people in the whole fucking game who have real impact on EVE metagame.

>>160986475
>is all point and click
How you're moving relative to other ships dictates your dodge chance.
Also, slacking on capacitor management will tear you a new one.
Also also, c >>160984640

>>160986508
>The vast majority of EVE's players aren't active agents in anything
Anyone can make an impact on a smaller region of space.
And at it's core, it's a social game. Trying being social. It'll take you pretty far.

>>160986807
>Anyone can make an impact on a smaller region of space.
>And at it's core, it's a social game. Trying being social. It'll take you pretty far.

What a lot of horsepucky. So tell me what impact have you personally had on EVE?

Foundry 42 Frankfurt ATV today

>>160984515

>i don't like it (read: im a shitter who needs hand holding and/or instant gratification)
>games should all cater to me and me alone

>>160988269

Thought it was next week since it's Clapistan's day of celebrating colonisation?

>>160989315
people do realize that thanksgiving days are harvest holidays celebrated in more than just america right
The whole pilgrim and indians thing was probably invented by some marketer in the early 20th century

>>160989456

That doesn't answer my question about ATV being next week

>>160986807
At that scale, EvE is more like playing checkers with someone on mars. Its boring as shit.

The ONLY interesting aspect is pure novelty, and the result of the fight, not the fight itself.

So when will this game not be a tech demo?

>>160990561
When your definition of tech demo wouldn't also apply to released games

Cutlass rework is in 2.6 right?

So is the herald confirmed to have exploration equipment? Guy said it in the ships of 2.6 video but I'm not sure if i should take that as gospel.

>>160990768
Obviously not.

>>160990768

3.1

>>160990902
Sauce?

>>160991008

It is when the Red and Blue come out.

>>160991076
...That's not a source.

>>160991161

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

>>160991208
Neither is that. That just says when the Blue/Red are out, it says nothing about the rework of the already existing ship.

>>160991076
The Red/Blue are coming out after the Black.

>>160989531
They record each AtV the week before it goes live

>>160991305
>The Red/Blue are coming out after the Black.
Now I'M going to ask for source.
>>160991282
It makes sense for them all to come out together and the black is probably not listed there since it's already out and flyable even if in a unreworked state.

>>160992579
>It makes sense for them all to come out together

Yeah apart from that never happening ever with any of the other ships.

The base variant has always come out first.

>>160992738
>The base variant has always come out first.
It is already out

>>160992738
Me again >>160992948
Also I'm not saying that the black rework won't be finished first but they don't really have a reason to put them in separate updates.

Some people claim it'll be in 3.0
Maybe if we're lucky I guess.
But the variant release is all we have to go on.

>>160992948
Reworked version, which the Blue/Red will be based on, isn't.

>>160992579
>It makes sense
So there is no source, you're just pulling this out of your arse.

OK, got it.

>>160993165
We have one cutlass date to go on.
Please tell what you base your assumptions on?

It was mentioned that the Andromeda rework would be released with the rest of the Constellation variants that aren't the Aquila which is being reworked first.
Explain that? Isn't the Andromeda the base variant it's made from??

>>160968789
This

>>160994118
>>160968789
That's why I'm happy with my Polaris!
I'm going to try and bring randoms on fully fuelled Polaris raids.
LTI means picking up any saboteurs won't matter and will add to the fun!

>>160994263
Well, no. You're still going to lose all the weapons and equipment (which is more expensive than the hull), and have to wait a long period of time before its ready to fly again

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What will I get if I but the E:D + Season Pass bundle? What will I NOT get?

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You're gonna buy it today, right /scg/?

>>160994332
Only if I outfit it with anything other than the default loadout.
And waiting is not a problem!
I mean I don't have enough friends to crew the Polaris alone anyways so I probably won't be flying it regularly anyways.