/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

second for DELET THE OP

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Third for plumps

recently just discovered what adamantite really is lol
whenever you think you have df under control some shit like that happens and thats why I love the game so much

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>>160850440
what did he mean by this?

What happens when the developer dies?

Hes not in the best shape and he's nearing 40. What if he dies? Brither takes over? Can the community even handle the sheer spaghetti Code? Do we just deal with what we have now?

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>>160851907
>This image
Stop post

>>160851864
if toady dies the code will be released

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>>160851986
>hating on nines

>>160852330
>if toady dies the code will be released
Unless he is proven to be murdered, he said so
He knows what kind of people play his game

Is it possible to make an entirely self sufficient fort and just let it run indefinitely?

>>160852815
No, it will either become so big that it will die overpopulate or lag out

Or it will become fatigued by larger and larger sieges until it falls apart

No fort no matter how mathematically perfect will die

Either by lag
By siege
Or by random (which isn't Actually random but we dont understand this game beyond the surface level because toady is a cunt.)

>>160852815
It's always been possible by abusing farm plots, but the fruit picking introduced in 0.40 made it even easier.

>>160851864
If he dies the code gets released and only one team of shitters do anything with it and they fuck it up and take longer to release updates than Toady and then it dies and version 1.0 has less features than it did in 2006

>>160854569
What are the key features were missing?

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>>160854569
this.

the notion that the community would "save" from an incompetent toady is utterly retarded. only toady can finish DF. the community would just add ponies and vore mechanics.

>>160854981
Why all that fears? Different roguelikes change developers over time, and still exist and make ok updates.
I think df will be fine. But i think toad will be fine too at least 15 more years - people can live incredibly unhealthy, and still survive for reasonable amount of years.

>>160855631
>Why all that fears? Different roguelikes change developers over time, and still exist and make ok updates.
you mean like Bloataclysm?

>>160855817
That game is a mess now, uhg I can't even bring myself to enjoy if anymore. Just play adventure mode now

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>fortress mode left to rot
Thanks Toady.

>>160851907
honestly figures and shapes don't look like your strong suit, I have liked your art with a heavier focus on the landscape and background more so I would try to fo

>>160852579
>he said so
Source?

>>160853017
What if I built a giant glorious wall that would make Trump jealous?

>>160857198
Once you hit 100 dwarves the world will crash Everytime you launch even on 1x1s

>>160856652
are you joking? in the next version, we'll be able to send militia squads off the map to complete missions on other sites.

we'll have armies which arrive at our doorstep demanding artifacts, and we can choose whether to give them the artifact or get attacked.

we'll also be able to build museums with items on display.

>>160853017
>overpopulation
Population cap. The default popcap is easily sustainable.

>lag
Popcap again, and stopping unnecessary expansion and production.

>sieges
Walls.

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>>160851986
>telling a regular drawfag to stop posting

>>160855631
but DF is not a roguelike. it's a fantasy world simulator created exactly to one man's vision.

>>160857369
> we'll have armies which arrive at our doorstep demanding artifacts, and we can choose whether to give them the artifact or get attacked.
Dont sound like a great option. Yes, everyone will try to give artifact once, just of curiosity, but there is no benefit to do so.
Sieges are fun and profitable, if you dont want them - you already can raise the bridge, they do not arrive before 80 citize, and you cant make necro/megabiest siege to go away with artifact i guess.
Just no reason to lose precious platinum bucket or fb bone crutch which you can display in your dining hall.
And what are you, an elf, to avoid the fight?
The only positive thing - maybe elves and humans will come too to demand an artifact, and you can war them without repeatedly attacking caravans.

>>160858219
the game could use more attacks, invasions are slow as heck right now, and often underwhelming
still, I can imagine giving them the artifact might be worth it if you have a breach in your defenses right now, or if they come early on
It's not like you can do much with that wombat leather spiked ball anyway

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>>160858219
>a way of interacting with hostile civs OTHER than just beating back one siege after another?
>what r u, an ELF?
players who want DF to be a braindead tower defense game are literally holding the game back. if you just want another base building game where you can randomly get attacked by random shit until you die, there's rimworld. please don't try to hold Toady's creative mind back.

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what killed my dude? i'm confused

>>160860151
Where is his corpse? kinda looks like he dodged off a ledge and fell 100 z levels

>>160860257
it's in one of the hallways. i couldn't see what was up due to all the smoke from the fire. but fire doesn't blow someone apart, does it?

>>160860321
nevermind that, the corpse i looked at wasn't his. you're right, he dodged into a well and fell 40 z levels. thanks for clearing that up.

>>160860427
Kek, classic. Out of curiosity, whats the fb like?

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>>160860467
should have trained some marksdorfs

>>160860915
freaky lookin thing i'd imagine

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>>160860987
welp, time for my last effort to somehow kill this thing. nobody seems to be able to even touch it and all 2 of my marksdwarves are already dead.

for my new fort - after this one inevitably crumbles - i'd like to try out masterwork and a new tileset. i don't want ASCII stuff, but i'd like something simplistic. recommendations please

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>>160863668
Now I know why I fear the night.

>>160863668
this is disturbing

>>160857409
not the guy who criticised him but

That really is one of my faves. All his best works are the moody ones with landscapes and brushwork. Not that his other stuff is worse, obvs.
Nines, keep it up.

>>160861321
Gemset is simple and scales up nicely. I've fallen in love with taffer recently, but my tileset progression went Phoebus/Ironhand > Spacefox > Gemset > CLA > Taffer

>>160863668
This is excellent

>Captcha: Except quern

>>160863668
D:

Who would win in a fight, Ninedoots or Timbukdreugh?

>>160857075
It was on the dwarfmoot, I think
Guy pulled an usb from his necklace and said that all his info was there, and that if he was killed, he wouldnt make the game source-free

I think so, anyway, I might be wrong

>>160865684
Sten

>>160859086
relax brah, he is only talking about getting more action during play, not focusing the whole game on battling, those are different things

>>160863668
jesus

How do you guys think Toady will make the game more atmosferic in the future?
DF has a lot of potential to be 2spooky4u in certain situations, but I cant think of anything past music

>>160865779
didn't that fucker get kicked so hard by smelly ant feet that fell into the lava and died?

>>160866251
Actually, the release that added night creatures (I've forgotten which one) was considered pretty spooky when it was first released. Much of the personal tragedies and the extreme body horror introduced was unheard of in the earlier versions. It made the game more dbleak, horrifying, dark and edgy.

>>160866321
He dodged into lava in the new arena. Sten beat Smelly the first time using the wrong weapon.

Sten was cheated so hedgehog fags would finally stop whining.

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>>160866321

If Big Dick Sten were in front of you you wouldnt say those words again >:(

Reminder that Coldsteel lost in less than 5 hits and that boring fight is the only reason Sten fought Smelly Ant Feet.

>>160866321
Only the fetishists remember it like that.

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>>160866551
>>160866251
I mean, pic related prooves how spooky and horrid will the game be able to become, but I get you, as of now, specially adventure mode, the game is pretty unclimatic

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>>160866842
yeah? hust try 'n stop me.

>>160867091
Reminder that Sten beat SAF without weapon skill, using the wrong weapon.

>>160867347
proving once and for all lava bridge is a terrible final destination arena. It literally falls down to who dodges off the edge first.

>>160864996
Is there a way to make gemset look good and be usable on 1366*768 monitor? Installed it and everything became huge, i can see only small area. If scale everything looks like shit.

>>160865714
We had this conversation two or three threads ago. He said if his house burned down the project could continue. The asker specified that in this hypothetical fire everyone was fine, even scamps. He didn't say anything about what would happen if he died or was murdered.
This meme is a lot older than dwarfmoot and no one has been able to provide a source for it, they just keep confidently repeating what someone else said that Toady said. It's just a meme.

>>160866551
Old hell was a lot more frightening and hardcore than anything that came with the night creature release, with the possible exception of the implied night troll rape.

>>160870670
Aww, they managed it, the little rascals :)

Ive been playing for three years and cant break away from commie blocks and large workshop/stockpile rooms. What are some things I can do to change things up and keep it interesting.

>>160871193
embark somewhere with exposed veins of ore, set mining designation to automining ore/gems and only mine out those veins.

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>>160870105
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=25405.msg296494#msg296494

>No killing for the source!

>>160871321
holy shit, theres an auto mine ores option? why am I just now finding out about this

>>160866251
I think it'd be fun if occasionally in adventure mode you'd wake up and find a vampire sucking your blood.

>>160871713
because you didn't actually play for 3 years you dirty liar.

Anyway the best answer is always to roleplay.

>>160871591
Thanks. I've been asking people to source that for at least 7 years and the closest I've ever gotten was "I think he said it an interview once".

>>160871915
I have though. I just never thought about there being an automine feature. In fact I dont even know where it is unless I skipped over it in the orders screen. In the past if I needed an entire vein mined I kept redesignating until it was all gone. That got tedious so I stopped doing it.

>>160872559
open up your designation menu and read the damn ui

although you might to select mining before it shows up. The option is down the bottom in blue.

hey guys

beards are gay xD

>>160873040
'no'

>>160872841
shit, no wonder I kept missing it. I only look down there to change priority when I need to. Thanks.

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>>160851986
>isn't dressed to the nines
Shitfag get the fuck out.

>>160870670
>go there to chat
not a single living creature to be found
Godamnit.

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>>160874548
avenge them

>>160874548
Did you explore all of the cave?

>>160874658
don't even know who killed them.

>>160874795
checked every level and a bit of the caverns underneath (didn't want to get lost). Picked elf so I could smell things easily and there was no odor at any point.

>>160875115
if I didnt have legends viewer open for reference I'd swear it's not even the right cave. There's no sign of kobolds at all, none of the stolen items are here and theres no bodies or anything at all.

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>decided to start out a Masterwork Human civ for the first time
>start out at a tributary with a shitload of trees
>everything moves fast as shit
>enclose the keep with a southern moat, walls, and bridges
>get this far

What should I be doing next?

>>160876145
uninstalling masterwork

>>160855631
Toady is quite literally the only one capable of doing this game justice. It's his game, and it's been manufactured to his creative vision. It would take another genius on par with Toady (yes Toady is a literal genius) to be able to do the same work that Toady has done.

Go ahead and think of any other game that has had this much work put into it by a single person. DF is literally one of a kind, and it's because of the genius and drive of a single man.

A whole team of developers couldn't hope to do what Toady has done with this masterpiece of a game, nor could they do his vision justice.

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>>160876331
Well done.

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>>160877207
>paz
>not posting best girl

>>160876979
Have you been to bay12? It's full of autistic programmers, some of which are nearly as dedicated as the dude himself when it comes to Dwarven Science. If the source code was released we'd get a Toady 2.0 in short order, after most of the 800 forks that would be launched overnight died out.

>>160878132
Paz is like perfect for all the pedophiles to jerk too because she's of age but looks and acts 10

>>160878246
>df 2817
>toady 19 finally releases the update
>giant keas can now dig
>they aim for adamantine veins

Post your most interesting combat log screen caps so I can jerk off.

>>160878706
any particular combat situation do it for you?

>>160879180
As long as it's quirky, strange, hmmmmmm worthy, or interesting dump multiple if possible, I love reading people's battles.

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>>160878706
not quite the same thing but I've been battle some rando human hammerman for the past hour now. All I've got is a shitty copper longsword that can't get through his shield + all bronze/iron armour. Can't wrestle his shit off him until he literally passes out because twiggy elf limbs with average strength.

>>160879298
I mean there was a literal fuck ton of logs from the tournament, especially from the BR.

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>>160878132
Only had the picture saved secondhand so I could fingerheart people.

>>160878706
How about hardcore elf-on-elf penetration?

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>>160878706

>>160879448
This is the second general I've posted in Bruv

>>160879374
>being attacked by an elf
>"I feel alright"

Sounds about right. Try pommel strikes, they penetrate armor more effectively.

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>>160878706
>different type of combat log

>>160879586
Yeah I figured they would, but I've been getting more effective damage (read: tear the skin vs no reaction at all from the pommel strikes) from punching.

>>160879559
Oh, sorry. Well Ive got the entire tournament saved to a folder. Its too early to repost everything here but, I have been thinking of putting it all into an imgur album.

>>160879586
It's alright, he finally passed out. I just choked him out.

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>>160878706
How about some FB on FB action?

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>>160881319

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>>160878706
this dorf, mang

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>>160881512

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gloating bastards

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>>160881830

>>160866251
it definitely can become the dark fantasy game it deserves to be
>wiki page lists demons as "far older and more sinister things"
>eternal flame of hell
>dwarves laughing manically when they slaughter a fellow dwarf and turn him into a bone earring
I feel like they should have more random events focused around caverns because the scariest part of the game is the great unknown of what could be underground. Thats why the hell encounter is so great for the first time

>>160878603
stop it right now

>>160878246
autism does not amount to autistic genius

Anyone know the world map tile distances one must embark within to interact with sites? I swear I read it somewhere on the wiki but I can't seem to find the numbers again.

So what's actually bad about Masterwork? I downloaded it and before I read into all the new stuff and learn things I'd like to know why many people think it's shit.

>>160880090
> I have been thinking of putting it all into an imgur album.

Please do. I'd very much appreciate that, and I'm sure others would too.

>>160883346
Nothing bad with masterworks as far as I know. They multiply the item value for like 12x, plus other benefits.

>>160883346
Creator is a piece of shit and deserved everything that happened to him.

>>160883493
pls

>>160883513
Not that this would stop me from playing the mod as long as it's good, but why is that?

>>160883767
>but why is that

He verbally assaulted a humble soldier from a poor country, and also destroyed said country's wildlife by making camp in a reserve.

>>160883983
Oh, I heard that story. Didn't know it was the Masterwork guy. Yea, well, that sounded a little sketchy. But is the mod good in its current state?

>>160883767
Took donations for making Masterwork. Donations that should have went to Toady for slaving away making Dwarf Fortress for 10+ years, without it Masterwork wouldn't exist.

Generally acted like a smug prick.

Uses donation money and takes a trip to lebanon to fuck whores. He ends up getting mugged, "losing" all his Masterwork work on a usb drive. Comes crawling back asking for more donations.

>>160883346
Well for adventure mode it's not bad

>64-bit support, pulling the game from the distant past into the previous decade

is this it?

is this the future?

>>160884432
I got it for Fortress mode. I don't quite get Adv mode yet, even though I've played the game (on and off) for 5 years now

>>160884439
Not until Toady rewrites all the old code

>>160884439
still single core lad

>>160884802
Dungeon Set

>>160883346
Its origin was as a collection of other peoples' mods. It has some original content now, but it's mostly still just a whole bunch of other peoples' work all jammed together with no mind toward thematic consistency. It's a poorly curated repository of bloat and feature creep. Meph, the curator, accepts donations for having put other peoples' work in a folder together, which he uses to perpetually vacation. The combination of its existence with the laziness of the mod using community has had a stifling effect on DF modding; masterwork has so much stuff from so many mods that many users start there and end there, and never explore the mods the work came from or look for more focused or thematic mods, and in turn modders face the decision of allowing Meph to cannibalize their work or having a far smaller audience for their mods.

So basically, if you want stuff just for the sake of stuff, and you don't give a shit where it came from or how you got it, play Masterwork.

So masterwork is clearly shit but are there any other mods that let you play as humans, goblins and elfs (maybe kobolds but not a huge deal) without making the game feel less comfy

>>160885832
Except you could go with Dark Ages instead if you just want a lot of modded craziness, but I mod my own shit so I'm not the best person to ask.

Personally tuned mod >>>>>>>>>>> Well assembled specific-theme mod by someone else > Dark Ages > Poorly tuned mod > Throwing shit at the screen > Masterwork

>>160887245
I think it is pretty much done.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=152766.0

I kinda like it because of the walls, but I also want something more... well, simple. Not ASCII tho. Some anon recommended GemSet to me, but I'm not a huge fan of all the black.

>>160886138
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Entity_token#CIV_CONTROLLABLE
Literally add one token to the appropriate entity in entity_default.

>>160886205
I don't know that mod, but I don't disagree with the sentiment you're expressing. I also do my own by hand, with a bit discriminating copypaste from other mods.

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>>160865684
Ninedots draws healthy bulky dwarfs, beast men that look as if they work out four times a day. Drew makes fat squat and incompetent dwarfs and beast men and gobbos as thin and lanky as rails.

>>160887471
I wouldn't call gemset simple, it has probably the most detailed creature sprites out there. Maybe spacefox would be to your taste.

>>160886138
All races playable mod. It's so damn good.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140713.0

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So begins the adventure of Big Spongyballs the sperm whale man!

>>160894521
Forgot to add: Big Spongyballs will carry out your commands, lads. Let's have a thread adventure.

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>>160894521
>>160894716
Lord of the hamlet is a goblin, huh?

>>160894521
inquire locals for trabble

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>>160894940
One of the locals strikes up a conversation.

>>160895095
lets nut on them bandits

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>>160895321
They're in a place called Palmwashed, nearly a day's travel to the southeast.

You got bored and punched Kammat across the room.

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>>160895564
You travel to Palmwashed, resting along the way.

What's your game plan?

>>160896040
go ham senpai

>>160895564
so how big are sperm whale men?

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>>160896194
You pop the boss and his buddies like fleshy balloons.

>>160896372
Fuckhueg

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>>160896521
Well, one of his buddies came back and shanked you real fuckin' good.
You missed every single attack and he just disabled every limb with precise jabs before putting you out.

I didn't fucking save, expected to steamroll the whole place. Whoops.

Thus ends the adventure of Big Spongynuts

>>160896917
RIP Big Spongynuts

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Two weeks later, Big's twin brother arrives in town to avenge his twin brother's death.

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>>160897415
eat a bug

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>>160898586
literally pages of shit and not a single godamn shield

>>160898870
dual wield mauls

you can do that, r-right? spermwhale men are big

Now that I can specify what type of leather to make boots etc out of I have a new autism trap to fall prey to: MUST ENSURE ALL SQUADMEMBERS HAVE GEAR MADE FROM THE SAME LEATHER!

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>>160899928
sure, why not?

>>160900595
>human skeletons

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>>160900608
what else do you expect Huge Spongynuts to throw at his enemies? His supersperm strength would go to waste otherwise.

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he knows us so well

>>160900729
I just want to say that I think this is hilarious and I fully expect to see you do something fucking crazy with this character.

>>160900729
>super sperm
he he he

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>>160899928
Mauls are terrible though, only good for throwing.

Get a minecart and fill it with skeletons, use that to hit people, bonus points if you ride it into them.

>>160901046
wait, could you actually use minecarts to hit people if you were that big?

god damn I love this game

>>160901110
>>160901046
nevermind, that was a stupid question. I didn't look at your picture before posting.

this is truly an amazing game.

>>160901046
never messed with minecarts before, but I suppose when your Spongynuts are this Huge it's as good a time to start.

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Huge vs. Colossus
someone call tourneyanon

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>>160901110
>>160901241
Yar, they're heavy as fuck though if you fill them up. With one of my damn near totally maxed out adventurers, bumping up against the point where any more strength gives the rollover > 0.099 spd bug, after putting about 20,000 Urists of crap in a cart you're going to be moving slowly no matter what.

Dear god does it bash the shit out of people though.

>>160901445
They hurt like fuck when you wipe out, fair warning.

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>>160902865
n-never mind, he kicked off Huge's arms and chased him till he bled to death.

~but that was all a dream~

>>160903503
I once went into the arena and tested what happens when two equal creatures travelling at the same speed in minecarts do when they collide with each other in midair.

Had a good time with !!SCIENCE!!

>>160906690
Pillage and rape, the usual.

>>160871591
>someone actually found a source
Thanks, anon. It's been bothering me for a couple threads now.

>>160906690
>when
kek

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>>160907382
it's supposed to come out by the end of the year. from how things look now (toady disappearing for half a month after getting TRUMP'd, et cetera), it might be delayed by a month or two, but that's about it.

we'll have the artifacts relatively soon, in any case. maybe not by christmas, but probably by the end of january or february.

>>160883346
The featurelist at one point included "fireproof iron" as a thing you specifically needed to craft out of regular iron. I haven't been able to take it seriously since.
That was years ago, and a petty quibble to begin with, but it's still representative of the problem I have with Masterwork. I don't like the theme, inasmuch it has one. It just feels like a huge pile of content added for the sake of having content, with no thought for tone or consistency.

>>160907527
Of what year?

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>>160878706

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>>160878706

>>160909524
That last line reads like it's straight from the anime villain's quotebook

>>160910454
Well, Toady used to be a pretty big weeaboo back in the 90's. In some of his early forum posts, he still makes references to some 80's and 90's animes.

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I found Cassiterite, but I can't find any Tetrahedrite for bronze.

>>160913330
tetrahedrite or any other copper ore*

I have found gold though

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>>160878706

>>160913527
kek

begone death!

>>160867838
>>160866829
fucking sten-posters, man. Can't even take a loss without whining.

>>160876979
I don't think toady came yet, you should keep sucking his dick some more.

>>160916062
The site was conquered and the outcasts are the former civ members.

>>160917125
That's the only time I've seen massive outcast populations, check their civ_id vs the world_data.site id with gm-editor is all I could think of.

So is masterwork the brutal doom of DF?

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>>160917682
For the modding community, it's equivalent to the gigantic and ugly shopping malls that force local stores out of business, unless they can relocate into the malls.

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>>160866829
>>160867838
>>160867347
Despite all that, reminder that it took 216 times of...
>Sten 1 is caught in a pool of lava!
...before he "died".

I think we may see him return in a future tourney.

Sten as Champion is canon

also, in the tourney universe where everyone is brought back to life even after decapitations and the like do you really think that Sten would just be let go like that after mopping the floor with dudes in 1v1 arena battles with no hazards.

>>160916893
how about you suck mine cunt

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>>160919986
this desu

toady is good, okay

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>why yes, m'lady, I do kill all elven merchants

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>>160878706
enjoy, I have more if you want them

>>160880090
>>160883429
I also want that very much

>>160882301
>>160866251
I thought I was the only one that wanted DF to be more atmospheric/spooky, cool

>>160894521
you...are joking right?

>>160922341
Yes please

That's fucking brutal
>Get shot right through the heart
>Just yank it out and drop it
>Exchange qoutes

Unrelated but what happened to Rimworld general?

How does the rumor system work ATM? Will people know if I slaughter whole towns and will the world respond in any way?

>>160923519
>Early access alpha
>That price

Jesus Christ I love these kinds of games as much as the next person but that's absurd

It doesn't even look pleasing, I prefer the ascii shit show than that ugly cartoonish mess

>>160923628
Fair criticism, but I am curious why the threads completely dropped off the face of the earth?

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>>160923519
it be ded
>>160923585
badly. like realy badly, lets hope that Toady makes changes now with the artifact rumor thingy

>>160922941
I really wanted someone to drawfag pic related, but I dont think Timbuk or 9dots styles fit this situation
So I probably wont have it drew

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>building walls outside
>a werebear comes with a kea army
>kills a hauler and mangles a soldier's ankle
>dwarves drag soldier inside to the hospital
>all the while keas steal my microcline blocks
>dwarf sits there with requesting diagnosis
>doctor ignores him I don't know why
>"socializing"
>google why the hell doc isn't working
>tab back
>new patient in bed beside soldier
>it's the doctor
>messed his knee up in a bar fight
>demote him
>new doc promptly gets to work
>only helps old doctor

thanks you toad shit

>>160923734
>Somehow cut a big muscly dude open
>Tangling with him
>Reach inside of him and tear out his spine
>Kick him down on the ground

Jesus Christ haha. Someone should drawfag this shit, like dedicate 4-5 hours of your day to this stuff. Best combat system in any game ever.

>>160923725
no one is making them?

>>160923876
>Best combat system in any game ever.
Agree, but I wont rest easy until you have charged atacks and area atacks in DF
You know, atacks not aimed to any part in particular that can atack several body pàrts or people
What would you add to the combat system anons?

>>160924083
You can charge attack, but I'm guessing you mean attacking while running/flying/whatever at your enemies?

>>160924083
A better ui
>Like vats but includes joints and real time wound looks as well as stats on the enemy in clearer view, things that are ambiguous now stay ambiguous

Joint attacks
>Achilles heel, collar bone, knees, elbows, shoulders

Things for wrestlers
>Judo techniques, karate techniques, dislocations, submission holds

And the ability to incapicate an enemy from fighting but still be alive and breathing so I can then get information from them by talking

>>160924182
nope, literally a non combat option to 'prepare' to give a devastating slow atack
its so slow to prepare, that its like hitting ''.'' one or two times, and time passes
Any atack you give after that is really really strong
I imagine its the option to do finishing atacks, or time then with enemies running towards you
I envisioned this because I didnt like the idea that, even if an enemy is beating you up, you couldnt do any special atack to gain space to maniobrate
I also like the idea to be able to do an 'ultra' atack at the cost of speed. Adds realism

>>160924519
So execution style attacks perfect for people that are on the ground or knocked out?

>>160924297
>A better ui
>Like vats but includes joints and real time wound looks as well as stats on the enemy in clearer view, things that are ambiguous now stay ambiguous
The current system is basically this, though, although you'll have to actually look at the enemies to see their injuries.

>>160924297
I have felt for some time that the game would improve enormously only with combat styles derived from the personality
>defensive
>agresive
>tactical
>etc.
Would make the combat more refinated and realistic. Would have made the tournament much more flavourful

>>160924591
Yeah, sorta.How can I explain it better?

Imagine hitting an enemy in a horse with a statue with an atack like that
Now Imagine its a non-aimed area atack
Just try to envision both horse and rider flying off a cliff, with multiple organs destroyed, various incapacitated extremities, and blind from one eye each
Thats the kind of over the top extreme brutality I hope the game gains in the future, thats my dream

>>160924619
Yeah but it could make combat easier to see all of the options and less clunky to use

>>160924083
I can't believe no one has mentioned aimed ranged attacks.

>>160925252
I didnt because its a confrimed planned feature, unlike the others
We could also nerf throwing while we are at it, or making atacking certain too-small body parts only possible when the enemy is still/unconscious

>>160925083
What do you mean? We DO see all the options.

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>>160924879
I like you, you seem like the kind of guy who makes fuck nuggets out of random peasants in adventure mode.

>>160925628
We do but in a clunky matter.

Minimizing clicks is better always.

>>160925628
I think he means he wants both at the same time:
All options visible AND less clunky to use.
Scrolling through the list can be a bit clunky, that's for sure.

What would help DF in general would be "input/search" mode that reduces the available menu entries to the matched expression.
So if you're in the combat target menu, you enter the "input/search" mode and start typing 't' 'o' 'e', and the game will only display the options that contain the string "toe"

>>160925919
I really hope you mean minimizing keystrokes.

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Why don't my companions equip their shit?
I gave him 3 spears but he just goes around punching everyone.

>>160924619
I also want enemies to flash info about their general health without l(o)oking into them, maybe some kind of emoji, like in LCS, anything that makes info quicker to reach in the middle of a conflict, when I dont want to lose time on searching wounds

>>160924297
>And the ability to incapicate an enemy from fighting but still be alive and breathing so I can then get information from them by talking
This, I could really use submission holds to control an enemy safely. I feel like a brute when I have to strangle someone for them to pass out.
Just make me able to progresively produce direct pain by a certain hold until he passes out


Also, I would love a combat option for ''Make every atack non incapacitating'', so I can auto atack/deffend from enemies without killing them by mistake>>160924879
Something like that, combat styles stances
>kill
>maym
>control
I just want to know what the fuck is my adventurer gonna atack, makes me anxious when deciding combat strategies
>Do it urself u dummy
Sometimes I feel like designating my combat style instead of designating every atack personally

>>160925919
I think it's good as it is. The only way to reduce the number of clicks is to also reduce the detail/freedom of choice, and that's a no-no for me.

Picking a body part to attack - Picking how to do the attack(wildly/precisely/heavily et cetera) - Picking which attack to do(slash/bash et cetera) works perfectly.

Are any of these things planned for adventure mode

>Colonies (town creation and being a cog in the gears)
>Transcendence (becoming a god and having your character either become immortal and retire and have him in legends )
>Marriage and settlement creation
>Leading yuge civilizations and waging huge wars and building castles
>>160925991
Sorry for not using the correct terminology D:

>>160926256
>Sorry for not using the correct terminology D:
Just saying, in case you thought the menu interaction would benefit from mouse controls.

>>160925785
Took me a while to realize that this game is meant to be THE game, in terms of simulating combat (or anything really). Once I realized it, I thought to myself
>''Well, then I may as well have a game where I can do anything I can Imagine to another human''

I spend a moderate ammount of time thinking on ways the combat system can be bettered, and made more brutal/coherent
desu, I wanna recreate Obok Meatgod with a vastly better combat system

>>160926476
That's a dream I can respect buddy. You really seem like a cool guy
Good luck in your quest, may your suggestions be read by Toady
sick fuck

>>160926256
yep, all of those are actually planned, in one way or another
All of them are good ideas

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>>160926131
Please respond.

>>160927257
>companionships are bugged as fuck, really fuck up adv. mode
>what you gave them is of less quality than what they have

Choose. You said they fist eachother, so probably first one

>>160927257
What >>160927426 said.
Go become a necromancer and get some real companions, cover the land in a sea of undeath.

>>160926476
I could imagine the only way to make it more brutal without making it unfun and too realistic would be making descriptions more verbose and increasing the ways to harm people tenfold

I occasionally just make a bullshit character and just attack people because the combat is so fun and interesting

Having an imagination really makes this game my wet dream, I love visualizing the fights and sometimes drawing them/writing them in more detail. I can't be the only one?

>>160927743
Writing down fights in detail is something I did before I did the tourney so, nah you're not the only one.

>>160927743
No brah, I think exactly like you
When I said make the game more coherent, I meant what>>160925553 said. Hitting fingers while in quick combat is pretty weird, and should only be doable in certain conditions
In the same reason, a giant shouldnt be able to atack your fingers, he should atack your whole body with any atack

>I could imagine the only way to make it more brutal without making it unfun and too realistic would be making descriptions more verbose and increasing the ways to harm people tenfold

Yep, exactly. One idea I had were sword atacks indicating how deep are the slashes in the body.
Its tasteful info that would get lost if not showed

>>160928192
>A giant taking your tiny elven finger and punching it into dust and then laughing as he writhes in pain
>Getting kicked in the leg by a giant and then standing up and saying you feel fine

Dort fortes

>>160928521
yeah well, carps were also dorf fort man, thats why I mean the game should evolve from memes to the amazing experience it can be


In the future, if we are lucky, ''Dort fortes'' will be a giant 'lightly tapping' you and sending you 23 tiles away, then tumble down a mountain thanks to the new tripping mechanics

>>160928910
God damnit toady, good thing I'm still young so I'll be able to play the finished project and still enjoy it for many years to come.

I want to be able to enjoy it with this community for many years to come, I'll be incredibly sad if either this website dies, the game dies, or any of you guys die <3

Mind my autism.

So has anyone been able to successfully impersonate a deity as a greeting? What about forcing another group to pay homage or demanding something? How much of a complete "badass" (see: murderhobo) do I have to be before people start taking my demands seriously and start worshiping me.

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>>160878706
>>160922341
>>160923734
more coming

>>160929717
That's fucking metal

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Gotta beat ettins to death with a training axe.

If you don't then why live?

>>160923876
agreed
If there's any rogue drawfag there, a drawing would be apreciated

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Why is my adventurer constantly crying?

>>160935789
wouldnt you if you were being possesed by a maniac god and forced to slaughter innocent people?

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Which one are you?

>>160935789
Sauce pls

>>160936439
Well I agree with not doing anything for the rest of my days

>>160936439
>elven continental filosophy major
good work

Is it normal every single lair I encounter is empt?

>>160937897
Empty lairs are a regular occurrence. The inhabitants might have died or are currently somewhere else.

Should have gotten an appointment

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>tavern update

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Am I supposed to become a werebeast to heal disabled nervous system?

>>160940386
Yes

I think you can also edit the raws to make your race able to heal nerve damage, but you would have to make a new adventurer in a new world after editing them to make it work

>>160941605
Any tips on becoming a werebeast?
I don't seem to be able to encounter one and I don't really know where to find a temple.

>>160941712
Use legends viewer and search for one

You can download it here http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=154617

Follow the instructions and remember to make a copy of your save

>>160941957
>>160941712
gee anon, how about you savescum and topple temple statues until you transform?

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...‹›‹›***stump***‹›‹›...

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>>160849850
People are fucked. Did that really happen to Meph? I met him when he came to South Africa in '09. He seems like a genuine guy that was born without the part of his brain to be sad and demotivated. I guess that's why he doesn't post here.

>>160947025
What's up Meph

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>>160947025
>born without the part of his brain to be sad and demotivated
why would he feel sad and demotivated?

he makes big money selling other peoples' mods AND makes a living by going on sponsored vacations all year round. he'd be the last person to feel demotivated.

too bad a western visa won't help you get away from highway robbers in third world shitholes.

So, how is the adventure mode currently?

>>160948585
When was the last time you played?

>>160949446
I think it was back in 0.42. How is it now? Does fame actually allows to recruit more than 2-3 guy?

>>160949785
Not soldiers, but you can recruit all the drunks you want

>>160949785
That's like yesterday in DF time. Nothing radical changed. I don't know about the followers thing - I never have more than 2 guys with me anyway.

>>160936439
Dwarven drunk all the way. Some of my best companions started out as drunks who I would find gear for along the way.

>>160945353
This is bright and cheery by dotsian standards.

i wonder

>>160954838
It is sad but not unexpected.

>>160952661
It kinda is ain't it?

>>160857751
one demon named armok's vision you mean

>>160935789
He's got the feels.
Usually, he's sad or horrified about killing people, but it can also be a positive feeling. Any extreme emotion can cause tears.
If you find looking at the abstract, textual representation of your character's tears emasculating, you could try tweaking the personality values at chargen. Max out stoicism, reduce empathy, stuff like that.

>>160935789
The proportions are uncanny. It's freaking me out.

>>160959257
They're about 8 heads tall.

>>160936517
If you look at your inventory you always have water on your eyes for some reason. I thought the same thing, my adventurer was crying all the time.

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a forgotten beast made out of salt invaded my fortress and this dorf killed it by biting it. He ate the salt monster

>>160962743
make his royal mausoleum in a rock salt bed, with rock salt engravings, rock salt door, rock salt pillars, rock salt statues and a rock salt coffin.

>>160959142
What me stoicism... wait, nevermind.

Unstoic bump.

no kea I've ever seen behaves this way

Been looking on the wiki and there seems to be no indication that sand is less suitable for growing crops than actual soil. Is this true?

>>160970092
There is no tile that's called soil. Sand is soil.

>>160970325
You obviously understood what I meant and I'll take your sarcasm as a yes.

>>160948585
>>160949785
You can build a cabin in adventure mode now. It's more fun than I expected, despite its limitations.

>>160963272
Rock salt might not be available.

>>160970092
>>160970325
>>160970660
That guy isn't being sarcastic; sand is just one (actually it's four) of the types of soil, and all types of soil are equally good for growing plants in the current version of DF.

>>160970660
Is that obvious? I actually don't know what you meant by "actual soil" and that's why i told you there was no such tile. Which kinds of dirt do you think are actual? What are the criteria for their actuality? What does sand lack that has kept it from achieving actuality?

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>>160878706
Before this, nobody have even managed to touch the cyclops. My steel industry was barely operational and I only had a few dorfs with any combat skills.
And some shit-ass recruit stabs the fucking cyclops to death. Alone.

>>160974190
Cyclops are shit and weak.
Once cyclops came to my fort, encountered couple untrained dogs pastured near entrance. Dogs started to bite and scratch cyclops, he tried to run away, cryed something like "someone, help me!", and at last passed out. Then dorfs(i didnt have any military at the moment) came to put dogs back to pasture, and one of them, the miner, killed cyclops with one hit of pickaxe to the head.
The next one came when i already had militia, and then it was killed without any effort, the only dead was civilian that walked near the fight and dodged into murky pool.

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> The current project is handling 'encounters' of people that have an interest in an artifact with people that are holding the same artifact. So if you are a questing adventurer bringing an artifact back to a location, for instance, you might run into other questers, guards, or entity representatives before or during your return, and they should react in some way or another without waiting for you to initiate everything. This might be as simple as you riding a wave of praise back to wherever the artifact needs to go, or it might turn out quite differently if you aren't trusted. The wave of praise should also turn sour if you turn out not to be taking the artifact where they think you are -- but it'll have to give you some wiggle room as well... so we're trying to sort that kind of thing out.

>>160976115
So he's trying to add some sort of reasoning code to the AI?

"Been working through various cases of fading information now that we have loads of data being generated for artifact locations as they move about the world, especially locally. There are six levels of knowing the location of a held artifact as it stands: having it yourself, seeing somebody else holding it at a location with your own eyes, hearing from somebody that somebody was holding it at a location recently, hearing from somebody that somebody has it (but not where), generally knowing in some legendsy fashion that it is said to be held by somebody, and not having any idea. The knowledge fades over a course of weeks and years while maintaining longer-term reputation effects, and it also has to constantly work in any new information and so forth according to their time stamps (at the individual, site gov, site culture and civ levels). But it seems to be working so far! It's very fiddly, but this should take us a long way as artifacts get more interesting (during the magic and economic releases, etc)."

> (during the magic and economic releases, etc)

The economy is coming back?!

>>160976570
You're talking about the dev that seperated entities into layers of skin fat and bone that all react properly to melting points, and coded fighting that allows you to grab their left 4th toe with your right 3rd finger and twist it off

>>160976869
I wonder what the end product will be

>>160977097
Something google tries to buy

>>160977502
Google won't exist anymore by the time the end product is available.

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>>160976752
>The economy is coming back?!
Make Armok Great Again

why does masterwork manage to make having more features blow so fucking much

>>160977849
Because it wasn't created all together by a Tesla, it was packaged by an Edison.

>>160974190
>stab in the foot
>stab in the foot again
>stab in the foot yet again

For a moment there I thought your recruit was an elf.

>>160972881
in real life sand isn't suitable to growing crops. he meant soil used for farming irl as actual soil.

>>160979429
Sand is soil. Actual soil. Sand/silt/clay are terms used to describe the particle size of soil. Many crops will grow just fine in sandy soils, and some require sandy soils as they have better drainage than soils with smaller particle size.

>>160981326
are you actually this autistic? he may have had a poor choice of words, but anyone functional should have understood his meaning and replied rather than going on retarded spiel about the correct terminology of different types of soils.
I guess df is the type of game to attract people like this, but still.

>>160981326
Sand is a component of some soil, sand itself is not soil. Soil's a pretty complex mixture of organic and inorganic stuff, it's not just the dirt/particulate itself.

>>160977648
>Man considered with himself, for in a way, Man, mentally, was one. He consisted of a trillion, trillion, trillion ageless bodies, each in its place, each resting quiet and incorruptible, each cared for by perfect automatons, equally incorruptible, while the minds of all the bodies freely melted one into the other, indistinguishable.
>Man said, "The Universe is dying."
>Man looked about at the dimming Galaxies. The giant stars, spendthrifts, were gone long ago, back in the dimmest of the dim far past. Almost all stars were white dwarfs, fading to the end.
>New stars had been built of the dust between the stars, some by natural processes, some by Man himself, and those were going, too. White dwarfs might yet be crashed together and of the mighty forces so released, new stars built, but only one star for every thousand white dwarfs destroyed, and those would come to an end, too.
>The Toady AC surrounded them but not in space. Not a fragment of it was in space. It was in hyperspace and made of something that was neither matter nor energy. The question of its size and Nature no longer had meaning to any terms that Man could comprehend.
>"Toady AC," said Man, "When will Dwarf Fortress be finished?"
>The Toady AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

So, my fort has somehow ended up as the capital of all dwarfdom.

Besides statues of the king's taint, what should I prepare for? This is the first time I've done this well.

>>160984402
>Time passed inexorably, as it does.
>The Toady AC now contained all mind and information everywhere.
>A subcomponent of it representing the thoughts of man asked itself a question.
>"Toady AC, when will Dwarf Fortress be finished?"
>The Toady AC responded, "Nemesus Unit Load Error"

>>160985840
>Nemesus
Fuck, typing while eating pie is hard.

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>s-stop cutting wood! i-it hurts my fee-fees!

>>160984402
I love Asimov.

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>a kea has stolen [artifact weapon which was dropped on the surface for some reason]

>>160989682
Birb looks adorable.

>>160990134
It's a good pic.

https://blog.patreon.com/bay12games/
>more words from the toad

>>160976115
>>160976570
Fuck, he is actually making AI non-stupid and coherent
We might have proper adventuring situations in the next version
>Their behaviour will towards you will surely be determined by their personality
My dick

>>160976869
>>160977097
>>160977502
>>160977648
So this truly will become 'the' game...
does this scare you? Im pretty scared by what Toady is achieving.
Nobody in the whole story of gaming has aimed to do what Toady is trying to do, and the fucker has not selled out, nor abandoned the ship, not even decayed in his work a little bit
He is living the dream, and from his years of work will emerge something that mankind has never seen before, in terms of complexity and deepness

Im pretty happy to form part of this

>>160976752
eventually, dont get your hopes up

>>160976869
Combat system alone is pretty unique, Its a miracle he manages to create something like that without it getting tangled the fuck out

>>160990726
It's basically guaranteed it won't work quite as it should.

Still, it's cool that he tries.

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>>160990945
toady will be killed by the jews, and dwarf fortress rights will be acquired. dwarf fortress 2 will be released by DICE as a first person not-LOTR adventure game that takes place in not-Erebor

>>160991205
come on anon, dont be so passimistiq
Toady eventually'll fix everything before it gets tangled out with another mechanics. And this rumor system might interfere with a lot of stuff, so he'll do a good job

>>160991242
Jokes on you
>I am jew
>Dont know what Dice is
>never seen LoTR

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>>160991242
DELET

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>>160991242
>I am jew
how does it feel to constanly have your glans rub against the fabric of your underwear?

>>160991331
They're the things to roll to see if your deception check beat the DC.

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>>160991331
>tfw you recognise tileset-anon's style of writing and sense of humour
>tfw you now know that tileset-anon is j*wish

>>160991414
I might be one of the few people in the world to belong to the select club of jews with intact penises, so I dont have that problem

>>160991646
sorry dude, Im a convert
I feel quite offended that you compared me to him, apologize
>captcha: express lube
>>160991450
made me smile

>>160991738
>I feel quite offended that you compared me to him, apologize
don't try to fool me, tileset-kun.

you always use these lame jokes to disarm political rants.